Breitbart Releases Paul Ryan Audio: “I Am Not Going To Defend Trump – Not Now, Not In The Future”…

Well, it would appear our hunch was correct.

If Trump was going to pull off a “reverse Castellano’s“, Caesar needed Brutus to feel comfortable enough to come close…

The problem for Speaker Ryan was a lack of muti-dimensional situational awareness, and the abject inability to escape President Trump’s political gravity.  Breitbart Media, with transparent coordination between Matthew Boyle, Steve Bannon and President Trump delivers the shiv right on cue.

(Breitbart) On a never-before-released private October conference call with House Republican members, House Speaker Paul Ryan told his members in the U.S. House of Representatives he was abandoning then-GOP presidential nominee Donald Trump forever and would never defend him ever again. (read more)

Here’s what everyone needs to understand about this play:

February 27th, 2017 – President Trump and Matthew Boyle

♦ First, the release is from Breitbart via Matthew Boyle; and contains all of the elements needed for well played political plausible deniability.

♦ Second, it was transparent this was coming.   The “Reverse Castellano’s” play only works if the mark (Ryan) feels over confident about their position.  It takes months for Caesar to cultivate the false confidence within Brutus; giving the appearance that Caesar depends on him.

Caesar Trump knows he must publicly shower Brutus Ryan with praise so the audience can provide the authentic fuel needed for Brutus to overcome any internal trepidation.  Caesar Trump needs Brutus Ryan to feel empowered and emboldened.

Only when Brutus thinks his travels are inconsequential, can he be counted on to drop his guard and believe his schemes and associations are undetected.

♦ Third, timing.  On the eve of President Trump meeting with the Freedom Caucus, led by Jim Jordan, the face of Ryan’s antagonism and opposition, Team Trump – Bannon via Boyle, delivers the Brutus knee-capping that will drive the media discussion cycle.

As Brutus walks comfortably through the courtyard, dagger in hand, the trillion-power spotlights all simultaneously turn on and reveal his intent.  The entire Senate quietly notified and previously pre-staged to watch as the reveal takes place….

Yes, President Trump has allowed Paul Ryan to construct and carry the healthcare scroll; however, he also planned to leverage a change within it.  Thus, Tom Donohue (CoC) and the Koch Brother’s invisible ink signatures can now easily be removed from the document and modifications made forthwith.

Brilliant.

To the electorate President Trump has magnanimously set all differences aside and taken the high road in his -very visible and public- praise of Ryan as the Speaker created the Healthcare proposal they both needed.

Now, with the release of his audio, the electorate look angrily toward Ryan who has verbally shown his snakeskin.

Speaker Ryan is now less than.  He’s lost a necessary coalition, support and friends.   For a time he now becomes toxic even for those of similar skin who scheme quietly with him.

Ryan should have seen this coming.  But, pride.

The reverse castellano’s is a modified version of the same play previously carried out on Senator Ted Cruz at the GOP convention.

Candidate Trump knew prideful Cruz was not going to endorse him; and Trump knew defeated candidate Cruz was going to try virtue signaling for prideful political benefit.  Trump also knew, as any top level executive chess-master does, the approach by a prideful Cruz would backfire against the largest possible political audience…. so he let him walk right into the coliseum and do it.

Effective today, President Trump not only holds positional leverage, but he carries something more valuable – emotional political leverage.

Today President Trump will take the high road and praise Speaker Paul Ryan yet again; telling the audience to drop old grudges, there are more important tasks at hand… we must remove the lumps from our political hearts.

President Trump will grant Speaker Ryan forgiveness and the crowd shall cheer Trump’s decency and warmth.

Magnanimity becomes currency.  The exchange rate is determined by the electorate.  The purchase price is within the Healthcare bill.

Well played President Trump.  Well played….

…”Complicated business folks, …complicated business.”

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727 Responses to Breitbart Releases Paul Ryan Audio: “I Am Not Going To Defend Trump – Not Now, Not In The Future”…

  1. Reality Wins says:

    Hey, Wisconsin: Time to put your Cheez Whiz back in the can!

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    • Chuck says:

      RW – Maybe you can explain how thats done.

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    • Kevin Sherlock says:

      Paul Ryan’s closest thing to a real job was driving the Oscar Mayer Weiner Mobile. Word has it he developed his excrement eating grin from buffing and polishing the Weiner as often as possible. He now looks like a cross between Eddie Munster and Pee Wee Herman.

      Speaking of weird GOPers, don’t you get the vibe John McCain and Meghan McCain are like Lot and his daughters? Like Lot, he can pound salt.

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      • dalethorn says:

        McCain, unlike Ryan, is the closest thing I’ve ever seen to a demon in a business suit.

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        • Dave Radetsky says:

          What about Obama?

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        • georgiafl says:

          Bush Sr. and LBJ were contenders.

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        • Kevin Sherlock says:

          Dalethorn, your incisive comment brings up a point.

          A colleague of mine last year asked if I believed in ghosts.

          I said, “No, but I believe in demons.”

          “In fact,” I continued, “You’ll know Christ has returned when Obama, Biden, O’s cabinet, the Clintons, and most of the Senate, House, judiciary, and bureaucracy throw themselves into the Potomac and drown.”

          Some puzzlement on behalf of a group of listeners. After all, I was making an appearance at a defense contractor facility a short distance from DC, not exactly a hotbed of pro-American and religious sentiment.

          (Even leftists take defense jobs if they pay well, and some take them so they can hand defense secrets and/or defense sensitive info over to foreigners like the Chinese or the Moslems. Others do so because they are whores. AAI, a military drone and drone guidance system manufacturer in the Baltimore area that is part of Textron, has had such a problem …. too many of their key people have whored for Moslem world defense contracts, in my humble opinion, and there have been some resulting security lapses, in my humble opinion. I did report them to the appropriate authorities.)

          So I explained, “Christ will have sent demons into all of those pigs.”

          Then some of them got it and began to laugh. But some snowflakes who understood my drift about the comparison to Christ in the land of Gadarenes evidently wet themselves, then ran to HR without bothering to attend to their hygiene.

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    • JenMG says:

      Reality Wins – my mom used to say that all the time. When we used the expression on people who came to the house who never heard of it, would laugh when they got the idea. Same for ketchup too. Great analogy!

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  3. 4beagles says:

    Typical ‘Lying Ryan da Rhino’ loyalty on display.

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    • singingsoul says:

      I believe reading the posts here in the past that we knew who Ryan was..? His arrant look on his face has given it away every time. They say Trump is no humble it is Ryan who lacks humility.
      Where does Pence and Reince come in on all of this…? We know them by their friends..?

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  4. markstoval says:

    If Trump is able to cause the ouster of Paul Ryan, that will have to be one of the highlights of the early days of his presidency. I can think of no person that we need to get rid of more — than Paul Ryan.

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  5. OnlyInAmerica says:

    Yep, time to get on the Trump train or get run over Speaker Rino!

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  6. Lucille says:

    A Breitbart article on Ryan from October…

    “He’s With Her: Inside Paul Ryan’s Months-Long Campaign to Elect Hillary Clinton President”
    by JULIA HAHN – 21 Oct 2016

    http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/10/21/hes-with-her-inside-paul-ryans-months-long-campaign-to-elect-hillary-clinton-president/

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    • trumpsbamagirl says:

      Julia Hahn is Special Assistant to President Donald Trump and aide to strategist Steve Bannon.

      More evidence that Our President orchestrated this!

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      • trumpsbamagirl says:

        Here is a quote from Mark Meadows in that article-

        “The push to remove Ryan as Speaker is “picking up some steam,” said Congressman Mark Meadows–who also voted for Ryan last year after leading the charge to remove Ryan’s predecessor, John Boehner, as Speaker. Meadows explained that a lot of conservatives now “question the loyalty of the Speaker” in light of Ryan’s treatment of Trump.”

        Hasn’t Meadows been an outspoken critic of Ryancare?

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      • corimari2013 says:

        Thank you for the great information about Julia Hahn–her investigative reporting and excellent writing style have always been tops with me.

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  7. Chuck Finley says:

    I like this take. However, my cynical mind runs to another conveniently timed leaked audio that took Milo out…. from the same wing of the party that would also like to see the healthcare bill go down and flames. Breitbart has been cheering against Ryan’s bill for weeks. Are we sure this isn’t a play to strong arm Trump off the bill? Breitbart has hit Rience with with opposition only to be rebuked by Bannon. I’m not sure about the coziness there..

    The true tell will be if there is some grand compromise, who will still be trying to destroy the bill. Further, I can’t imagine what this grand change will be that will keep Senator Collins, Murkowski, etc. on board in the Senate. This skeptic may need more coffee.

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  8. shirley49 says:

    What Republican principles. Ryan must have forgotten that the Republicans had control of Congress and the Senate the majority of the time Obama was in office. What did they do? Bend over and give him everything he wanted. What would have been different with Hilliary? Oh forgot, they would still get their pockets filled up by lobbyists while screwing us.

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  9. lawrencepaul1 says:

    I would first like to make it clear that I am no fan of Ryan (or Price and Pence for that matter) but this tape is from before the election when the GOP were convinced that Clinton was going to win.
    I totally agree with Sundance on all of his above points but Ryan was trying to prepare for opposing a president Clinton.
    Just highlights to me how poor his political instincts are and how out of touch with the American electorate that he is. He is a bought and paid for politician, and not a very good one at that.
    He is still pushing his “better way” BS above the Presidents agenda.
    He is a first class fool to think that he can usurp Donald Trump. He will fail and look foolish while doing it.

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  10. Mike says:

    Can we let it die now?

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  11. Peter says:

    While I get all the jubilation , I think this is nuts.

    If we don’t pass this bill, or a revision of it, We are shooting ourselves in the head – proving we can’t govern.

    We are behaving like democrats, except they actually passed Obamacare. Ryan is the speaker – there is not going to be another speaker – we have to work with what we got and stop playing hatchet games. Just me…I pray this blows over, quickly. Brietbart right now is a front for a gang of Bloviators.

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    • georgiafl says:

      The way this ‘Health Care’ bill is going – the so-called ‘THREE STEP PROCESS’ reminds me of Reagan and the Border Wall, etc.

      IT’S A TRAP.

      The Congress doesn’t really plan to proceed to steps 2 and 3 and they do not plan to modify the ‘Ryan Better Way’ (Obamacare Lite) Bill.

      They are planning to bog Trump down and obstruct him on both Health Care and the Wall.

      Just. Like. They. Did. Reagan.

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      • amjean says:

        Bingo! …and obvious, I might add.

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      • Chuck Finley says:

        This doesn’t make any sense. Step 2 has nothing to do with Congress at all. Tom Price at DHS will rewrite the rules unilaterally at Trump’s request. Step 2 is the easiest.

        Step 3 will be different. But you might be able to pull some democrats to your side on a bill that simply allows insurers to sell across state lines. That shouldn’t be a tough sell with the president hammering them from twitter.

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        • georgiafl says:

          I hope you are right. Ryan’s bill is Obamacare Lite – pays for health care for illegals. This is the plan the globalist Chamber of Commerce and Democrats want.

          If Ryan’s bill is passed – do you really believe there will be any such thing as steps 2 and 3?

          They will probably create a diversionary crisis and never get back to the process.

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        • jmbuck says:

          Your leaving out step #4 where the free market starts to kicks in and pricing starts to go down, consumers get the plan they want, and full time jobs come back. Then the remaining parts will look so bad they will want it to be repealed. Trump Train.

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      • joninmd22 says:

        Or now do we turn to honest brokers in the house to remove the crony elements from the bill an drew move forward.

        The lack of 60 votes still applies even if Ryan has been kneecapped.

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      • fuzzi says:

        georgiafl, but Trump is no Reagan. I loved President Reagan, but he trusted too much.

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        • georgiafl says:

          Good point, fuzzy! I know Trump was tempered in the hottest venue NYC real estate, casinos and even the entertainment world. He’s not naive and accustomed to no opposition/difficulties and is able to work out complex strategies – and – he can read 100 page spreadsheets/financial documents – knows how to cut costs/plan/overcome obstacles and has 50 years experience hiring and firing.

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        • singingsoul says:

          fuzzi “georgiafl, but Trump is no Reagan. I loved President Reagan, but he trusted too much.”
          _________________________________
          Reagan had Nancy who protected him from those who would cross him.

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      • RichieM says:

        Demonrats count on the Republicans never learning from history how duplicitous “The Evil Party” is.
        They are right.

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    • Chuck Finley says:

      Yep. I don’t think people understand the ramifications.

      Trump voter 1:”Yay! We weakened Speaker Ryan! Go Trump!”

      Trump voter 2: “Uh, I still can’t afford healthcare. Why are we preventing him from passing legislation to help?”

      Trump voter 1: “don’t you see we??? We have to take out our political adversaries! That’s what matters!!”

      Trump voter 2: *sigh*

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      • distracted2 says:

        I understand. As much as I dislike Ryan, my dislike of him has nothing to do with whether I want a healthcare bill to succeed. I do. I just don’t think this is the best they can do.

        Ryan has convinced many that his “better way” plan is the best plan and I don’t think it is.

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        • Chuck Finley says:

          I hear ya… but the conservative members need start getting behind amendments that can pass reconciliation and stop with the full repeal talk. That is the path to full obstruction.

          They keep talking about needing amendments but I haven’t seen one proposed.

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        • joninmd22 says:

          It isn’t and you’re right.

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        • singingsoul says:

          Ryan seems to have a Better way on taxes also and who knows what else. He is playing a game to counter Trump. The way he smirks when he is near Trump tells me all. He thinks he is smarter and has outfoxed the master

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      • ivanthenuc says:

        I am no expert, but what I believe we are seeing is President Trump weakening Ryan (not destroying him) and not doing so in a way that the public would connect to the president. Once this is done the President will then be able to ‘rework’ Ryan’s bill into a form without much of the CoC language and that is more palatable to the majority of his supporters. He is playing on a whole different level.

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      • jeans2nd says:

        Chuck – have you ever gone to a swap meet or flea market? One negotiates, or barters, with the seller for a better price. Please, give this more than 2 months before you condemn it.

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        • Chuck Finley says:

          Two more months?? It is supposed to be signed into law in April for budget purposes. That means it has to pass out of the House next week per Scalise.

          This isn’t an untimed negotiation.

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          • NYGuy54 says:

            So the Rand Paul wing of the party has chosen to obstruct and delay – knowing there is a time frame attached to this. They keep making grand promises but I have not seen a path to passage by any of the non Ryan people. They screech loudly and actually offer nothing of substance. Where’s the beef? How will you get your version done?

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      • testpointwp says:

        Yes, I would agree that anyone who continues to use the word, “healthcare” does not understand the ramifications.
        From 2009 to today this was never about healthcare. It is about control of one sixth of the U.S. economy.
        From Paul Ryan’s website (which has not been updated since May 2009)
        http://paulryan.house.gov/uploadedfiles/pcasummary2p.pdf
        Paul Ryan’s summary on the Patient’s Choice act highlights food stamps (!), health insurance exchanges, nonprofit risk-adjustment board for insurance companies, and tax law.
        The closest he comes to improving actual healthcare is increased vaccine availability.

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      • Jason says:

        Republicans need to compromise, Ryan has HIS agenda, masquerading as Trump’s, other Rs have their own. I think Trump very much wants and believes there’s common ground for both/all sides to come together to get the first part through but he has to get them out of the politics as usual where getting nothing done is the norm and expected.

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        • JT says:

          yep. doing nothing and screaming about Obama has been the norm for the last 7 years. if they can’t get this done, its time to start handing out walking papers.

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    • dalethorn says:

      The first editions of the bills will move forward, with compromises, but we can’t compromise on people to the extent of allowing rotten apples to continue to infect the rest of us. Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty.

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    • Rino Hunters United! says:

      Dems never had ‘restrictions’ in passing their Bill – They used absolute FRAUD in the Process of passing the Bill – used multiple intimidation tactics. And of course
      NO DOLLAR amount was too High,
      NO FREEDOM was too precious,
      NO REGULATION too outrageous.
      They literally trampled the Constitution.
      They even paid off certain Congressmen with bribe money in the end to get the last vote.

      Republicans have a much more difficult – and far more Responsible Task at hand.

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    • cozette says:

      Why do you say that Ryan has to remain as speaker? The House can choose to replace him if they wish. Ryan is now marginalized.This tapes release gives people the incentive to distance themselves from him and the Ryancare disaster. Please note he was happy to have it called that. It may even embolden the House to replace him. Either way he’s been humiliated and defanged.

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  12. “A Better Way” has a whole new meaning (and a new owner) !

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  13. georgiafl says:

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  14. Enlightened Vulgarian says:

    Sometimes the Master appears when the student does not realize that he is the student and, therefore, can not even recognize the presence of the Master.

    “Do you hear the grasshopper which is at your feet…?”

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  15. dreadnok89 says:

    this old news. he said this right after the clip comment. he obvipusly thought trump was done and went into damage control. didnt he win with over 80 lercent of the vote in Wisconsin?

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  16. dreadnok89 says:

    this old news. he said this right after the clip comment. he obvipusly thought trump was done and went into damage control. didnt he win with over 80 lercent of the vote in Wisconsin?

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  17. Charles says:

    “Yes, President Trump has allowed Paul Ryan to construct and carry the healthcare scroll; however, he also planned to leverage a change within it. Thus, Tom Donohue (CoC) and the Koch Brother’s invisible ink signatures can now easily be removed from the document and modifications made forthwith.

    Brilliant.”

    Yes. Instead of swallowing Ryancare in all its glorious phases and budget benefits, modifcations will be made to craft a healthcare plan that can pass the senate and maybe even garner a few democrat votes, and keep the repeal/replace promises.

    Golly. That’s a good idea.

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  18. Publius2016 says:

    The audio reveals the total lack of courage of Ryan and the entire House GOP. They should not have elected Ryan Speaker of the House. It is high time for our Congress to do the work of the People. Instead of Ryancare or Obamacare lite, they should have offered a full repeal as an option. Instead of protecting our liberties and launching independent Congressional Investigation into Obama’s dangerous over reach into Electoral wire tapping, they demand Presidential compliance. If Ryan stays as Speaker til 2018, then we know there is only swamp in the Congress. Either way, POTUS knows and we will MAGA!

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    • TrustyHaste says:

      It reveals what we already knew. Here’s something that the President has asked over and over: should we let the O-care die of its own weight? I say Yes! Look, if you don’t have insurance, you will still be treated–under Medicaid! What I want NOW is tax cuts. Tax cuts take a long time to be felt. Do that now. It would be easy compared to Govt Health Care. Let O-Care die, come back to it next year. If sick, use Medicaid. That is what was done in the past.

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      • Publius2016 says:

        One of the main causes of bankruptcy in USA is healthcare costs. One extended hospital may consume a lifetime of earnings.

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        • Sloth1963 says:

          Wiped mine right out. Even at 80% coverage the leftover $ can still be in the hundreds of thousands. I had “healthy guy” insurance until, all of a sudden, I wasn’t healthy. Lesson learned the hard way.

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          • Publius2016 says:

            So sorry to hear that! Were you able to get Medicare advantage or Medicaid? Now with the exchanges drying up, there are fewer options. it’s one the major issues that is not really discussed. If insurance companies offered castastrophic health insurance at the same term life insurance rates nationwide, we’d be in a better position to preserve our wealth and MAGA!

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            • fuzzi says:

              Getting government assistance depends on who you are, and who you know.

              I know several people who needed help, were disabled (truly), and the Medicaid people just kept playing games.

              Think VA, and veterans dying on the floor while the admin takes their fifth coffee break for the morning.

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            • Sloth1963 says:

              Medicare started but the debt was incurred prior so I got stuck. Happened about the same time the market crashed, which didn’t help. A cautionary tale.

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        • John Galt says:

          Asset protection planning is a thing if you have at least one trustworthy child.

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  19. bertdilbert says:

    The media should come out any moment against leakers.

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  20. outerlimitsfan says:

    I believe this information about Ryan saying this was reported during the campaign as well.

    I think it’s likely a simpler explanation. BB understandably hates the Ryan bill and is hoping to cause division between Ryan and Trump.

    BB has done a good job pointing out flaws with the Ryan bill, but never really explains how a caucus with several dozen members can somehow get their version of healthcare done without the much larger Ryan faction.

    It would be one thing If the goal of BB is to get a better negotiated deal between the GOP leadership faction and the Freedom Caucus. However, it seems to me that only the Rand bill is acceptable to BB, even though it has 0% chance of happening.

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  21. freeperjim says:

    Repeal Lyin’ Ryan.
    Replace Lyin’ Ryan.
    Now!

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  22. mightyconservative says:

    First Ryan said he isn’t going to do a thing to represent himself, but represent the people of his district and our nation. A few sentences later, he tells the listeners to,do what they have to to save themselves during the election. So, which is it, Paul? Save YOUR skin, or represent the American people?
    Meh.
    I hope his time as speaker is limited. Then he can join his wife on K Street, representing whom he wants to represent–liberal, progressive causes.

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  23. Susan says:

    Well played, my President. Well played. Now maybe Lou Dobbs won’t have a stroke.

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    • rf121 says:

      Yep, Lou is almost unwatchable. He should have no guests so he can vent for an hour and let it all out. Right now he asks a question and just keeps on talking. Same as Hannity.

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  24. TwoLaine says:

    I was wondering, just yesterday, as to exactly WHEN this was going to happen. The conditions were SO Purr-fect, and Lyin’ Ryan had so Purr-fectly set himself up for a #BetterWayToFail.

    P.S. My 1st hint it was forthcoming was when PE TRUMP compared him to a fine wine. TRUMP doesn’t drink. SMOOTH.

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    • redlegleader68 says:

      Yep, and let’s not forget that Ryan is an “esteemed” member of the gang of 8 re: intelligence briefing; ergo, was IN the loop as to the latest dust-up on “wiretapping,” FISA Courts, et al.

      Did I mention he’s currently THIRD in line to the Presidency? Let’s just say this isn’t ALL about “repeal and replace.” Just sayin’ …

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      • TwoLaine says:

        Yeah, he’s a JERK. I think the real truth is beginning to surface about Lyin’ Ryan. The problem is, ALL the a-holes already voted to keep him in the Speaker position.

        We all knew he likes to do things behind closed doors, and they are NOT CONSERVATIVE, no matter how may times he tells us it is so.

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  25. Chuck Finley says:

    Sincere request: Someone please enlighten me on the more conservative “changes” the reconciliation bill that can pass the senate. Has anyone heard of prosposed amendments?

    Right now the options appear to be:

    1) the Ryan/Price bill
    2) permanent Obamacare (because the full repeal with nothing else won’t get 10 votes in the Senate.)

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    • Christopher Johnson says:

      A fresh bill that simply defunds to the extent possible via reconcilliation without the CoC handouts like continuing to fund healthcare for illegals as part of the bill.

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      • Chuck Finley says:

        So the tax credits employees get for being employed by a large employer is all of the sudden a handout/entitlement if offered to those who aren’t.

        I am fine with getting rid of the illegal immigrant eligibility. However, where is that amendment being proposed/offered?

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        • NYGuy54 says:

          exactly……who is actually grinding the sausage and who is just making speeches?

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        • steph_gray says:

          I am unclear on those “tax credits.” I had heard that they go straight to the insurance companies, not to the user of RyanCare. Have not had time to read the 120 pages, sorry, I am not being a good Treeper in not knowing the facts for sure. But someone up this thread today said that the insurance company got the reimbursement and they paid the tax…

          Sounds like a good place to start in fixing up this straw man of a bill. I would like it to be a straw man and not the end product. I trust Trump is headed there…

          Betsy M also had a couple of ideas about fixing the straw man. And yes Lou was ranting but I enjoyed it because I agree totally with his feelings about Ryan.

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  26. toriangirl says:

    Beautiful! Rand Paul is all over Twitter this morning speaking of his version of the plan. It’s as if it is coordinated. 🙂

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    • Chuck Finley says:

      Rand is delusional. Let’s grant that there are 51 votes for full repeal in the Senate. Now reconciliation is gone. All his free market solutions require 60 votes ….. that is 8 democrats switching sides.

      The democrats will stay together and watch the healthcare system totally implode. Then they will blame Republicans for breaking it …. and they will win that argument.

      Rand needs a heavy dose of pragmatism right now.

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      • toriangirl says:

        Ever thought by his speaking out, it may create a channel/way to remove some of the most egregious elements of Obamacare Lite / Ryancare? He is many things, but delusional is not one of them.

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      • fuzzi says:

        I think there’s a chance that Trump may have a chat with some of those opposed to what (eventually) is Trump’s replacement for Obamacare.

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  27. I wake up and see this well written article and so happy! Hope it happens and trump beat this SOB.
    Kudos to SD! Well done and worth waiting for!

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  28. trumptea says:

    @Sundance – You may well be right … I hope that you are.

    If this is indeed what Trump is doing then I think it shows a level of strategy that is well beyond an average persons level of comprehension.

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  29. Ghostrider says:

    None of this is new news. The content of Ryan’s comments contained in these tapes were known right after the Access Hollywood release. So, how is this breaking political news that will destroy Ryan’s influence, power and credibility. It is not. This is BB driving clicks and trying to create a new narrative, most likely to give Rand Paul more airtime.

    Do people think Trump has not read Shakespeare? Don’t kid yourselves into thinking he or his inner circle are not aware of the Ides of March. He is draining the swamp. When one does that all the crap that is living at the bottom of the swamp is now visible and its odor is detectable. Trump allows his adversaries and opponents center stage for several reasons but mostly to allow them to destroy themselves unabated. In biology, as Charles Darwin wrote, it’s called the process of natural selection, I.e., the origin of the species. Evolution often occurs as a consequence of this process. This is what Trump is doing. Forget about lyin’ Ryan….he is not the target any longer. He is done. McConnell is last obstacle for Trump to deal with.

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    • Publius2016 says:

      One of the great things about our POTUS is the he not an ego maniac and respects the separation of powers. President Trump knows that one swamp creature will be replaced by another until the actual members in the Congress stand up. Courage must begin in the House.

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      • rf121 says:

        Courage and members of congress are two divergent concepts. We could also replace courage with integrity or honor. The only thing the 535 members have in common is the desire to get re-elected.

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    • MaineCoon says:

      “Trump allows his adversaries and opponents center stage for several reasons but mostly to allow them to destroy themselves unabated. In biology, as Charles Darwin wrote, it’s called the process of natural selection, I.e., the origin of the species. Evolution often occurs as a consequence of this process.”….in regards to Ryan & Cruz, a/k/a hanging them out to dry.

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  30. Yes, the irony is delicious . Ryan thought there would be no consequences from his devious failed coup in October and to paraphrase a saying ” live by the tape die by the tape” – a just result. And add to that , Trump has the super powers of strategic thinking and self control ” far greater than that of mortal men ” ( that’s from the opening of the old Superman TV show I think ) . Great job Sundance !

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  31. President knows of this call. Tweeted about it the next day

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  32. TrueNorthSeeker says:

    In addition to the apparent shortcomings of this RyanCare plan, I think the 3-prong approach is a fool’s errand. It’s the Reagan amnesty trap all over again. (Or as Wimpie said…I’d gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today).

    I have real doubts we’d ever see “prongs” 2 and 3, especially if this RyanCare monstrosity sufficiently damages the Republicans for the 2018 elections. The damage caused by “prong” 1 will be solidified without the follow through changes Trump planned for, causing people to loose their healthcare and trapping Trump in a failed policy. That would be a death knell for Trump being able to get anymore of his agenda (taxes, immigration, etc) passed if he’s so damaged by this RyanCare debacle. Then again, perhaps that would be just fine with RINO Ryan’s masters.

    I trust POTUS is smart enough not to walk into this trap. I suspect, as SD has eluded, that Trump gave Ryan enough line to run with and will now snap it back …hard. Here’s your dunce cap now Paulie…go sit in the corner and let the grown ups solve this mess!

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    • nhgardengram says:

      I agree with you, and I thought stage 2 could be done by HHS and does NOT need Congress to approve. This is where all the “rules and regulations” will be changed to more patient centered. N’est-ce ‘pas? Then the Congress will be “asked” to allow cross border, etc. This is popular with the public; how can they refuse? Maybe I’m too naive, but I believe!

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  33. jakegr says:

    If they’re taking down Paul Ryan, it feels like this is just an appetizer. Not enough to do it on its own.

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  34. Frank_O'Pinion says:

    Paul Ryan – the leftovers of a disastrous 2012 presidential election attempt.

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  35. NHVoter says:

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  36. bulwarker says:

    Trump is pitting the two factions (RINOS, Cons) against each other to deliver the best plan they think can pass. Seems like a shrewd tactic a successful businessman would use to get the best product.

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  37. auscitizenmom says:

    This is so exciting. I can’t wait to see this tape played on FOX. 🙂 Thanks for the heads-up, Sundance.

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  38. Nam Marine says:

    Ryan……..just another damn RINO !

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  39. BMG says:

    Paul (Kabuki) Ryan; a veritable Profile In Courage.

    Who can forget but shall forever remember his Ralph (Hamina, Hamina, Hamina) Kramden 2016 V.P. debate performance against Joe ( “Stand up Chuck, Aww, God bless ya”) Biden; Biden verballyand derisively wiping Ryan’s face & azz across the floor.

    And now, Ryan shown to have shoved his partys’ Presidential nominee under the bus.

    Have to admit, there is much to be said for consistent principled behavior .

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  40. mazziflol says:

    The funny part is…there was the disclaimer….”…and a lot of what is said, is made public….”

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  41. trapper says:

    So, were PDJT’s statements, made several times, that the best thing Republicans could do politically would be to let Obamacare fail, actually secret messages to the freedom caucus? I had wondered about that, but thought it too Machiavellian. Then again, Trump got to the White House by appearing to be a wounded sparrow, a bumbler, an uncontrollable charlatan, a bombast, “please don’t throw me in the briar patch,” after which he repeatedly turned round on his pursuers and ate them.

    So, what happens to Ryancare now? If it crashes and burns, it will take the whole city block known as “A Better Way” with it, won’t it? Buh bye, Paul.

    This suddenly got REAL interesting.

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    • cozette says:

      I see it as a message to the Democrats as well as GOP obstructionists that the suffering of Americans caused by letting Ocare implode will be so great that they need to put politics aside. Since he can not create legislation he will be immunized if any of them fail to act.

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  42. dbethd says:

    While part of me wants Nehlen instead of Ryan, imagine the vitriol against Nehlen that would be taking place for anything he would try to accomplish. Ryan on the other hand is getting backed into a corner.

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  43. SeekerOfTruth says:

    Ryan and his RyanCare health bill

    Style:
    1) Open with a start and then go around and listen and negotiate the best possible starting bill.
    2) Ryan’s style – my way and nothing else. Not discussion. Done.

    Obamacare replacement overall strategy remains the same.
    1) You need to start with something quick that can use budget reconciliation process to get started.
    2) The follow that up with regulatory and competition parts.
    3) then the final repeal (60 vote) of anything remaining.

    Problems encountered.
    1) Ryan was very intransigent on anything in HIS bill. Not Trump style at all. He would not listen to any amendments or changes. He had this all baked for his people and done.
    2) Trump like me and many others saw some good things in the bill but it needed work and discussion to get it better and get more people feeling like they had something in the bill.
    3) Ryan would not allow any discussion or changes.

    Solution:
    1) You have to let Ryan have his way and let him kill his bill himself doing it his way.
    2) The Health process is still the same with needing a fast reconciliation bill first. So you probably need to let Ryan fail on his own and then replace it with a new starter bill or at least open it up to serious changes and discussions.

    Ryan did not win the election. Trump did. But Ryan still thinks he owns DC with his CoC buddies. He does not and must suffer some public humiliation to come to that realization himself.

    Ryan’s “Better Way” vision is not Trump or America’s better vision. But since he is very stubborn, he must be made to suffer some public floggings to wake up and get on board.

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    • litlbit2 says:

      Ryan does not come aboard, you can never make friends with these people.
      You are fired! Get’m out, get’m out!

      Next up 2018 the removal shall continue.

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    • NYGuy54 says:

      I am not following you on this. The bill is in markup right now. This is the part where members can offer amendments. So far NO ONE HAS. The only thing we are getting are speeches and twitter comments. Everyone’s hearts are aflutter about an old tape but no one is stepping to the plate and helping fix this.

      The target is not Ryan right now. We need the sausage makers to step in..

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  44. kerri says:

    When he mumbles that his RIno Jack Kemp failed ideas are the “principles of generations” I want to say you are the biggest ignorant liar there is. He is the smallest little political hack that ever failed to the top like all government hacks.

    I hope they take him out of leadership. What a jerk.

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  45. Rick20033 says:

    I wish I believed this was all some Machiavellian maneuver on the president’s part, but I don’t. I think the Ryan plan is actually the Ryan/Price plan and that the president was assured that it would be acceptable to his supporters. That’s why he felt comfortable threatening to back primary opponents against any Republican who didn’t sign on. Now, given the considerable backlash (obvious on his FB page and elsewhere), he has seen that he was misled.
    Stories on Breitbart are evidence of Steve Bannon fighting for us. That’s why Breitbart has been beating on this disaster of a bill from the beginning and that’s why they are running the Ryan story right now. Bannon knows that Donald Trump rewards friends and punishes enemies. The tape is a reminder that Paul Ryan is, ultimately, President Trump’s enemy. He is trying to convince the president to go down one road, and President Trump’s unwavering allies are trying to convince him to go down another.
    If there is a Niccolò Machiavelli in the White House who is working behind the scenes on our behalf, it is Steve Bannon, not the president. The president is the “prince.”

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    • TJ says:

      POTUS never threatened to primary those that didn’t get on board Ryan’s Better Way. Media reported that Ryan’s stooges in the house said President Trump said he would primary. He said, he said from “sources”. No direct evidence POTUS ever made that threat.

      In the meantime, House members are mad that their leader’s money men are running ads against them in their district.

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      • Rick20033 says:

        You may be right. The reality is, neither of us know for sure whether he threatened them or not. The original story mentions paying attention to what he says on Twitter. After having tweeted that “OUR wonderful new Healthcare Bill is now out”, he tweeted, “I feel sure that my friend Rand Paul WILL COME ALONG with the new and GREAT healthcare program because he knows Obamacare is a disaster!” That certainly gives the impression he supported the Ryan plan and expected critics to just accept it (“come along”). As the outcry from his supporters continued unabated, that sort of full-throated support for the “new and GREAT healthcare program” has toned down. I think the president was misled by one faction in the White House, and the Bannon faction (the one on our side) roused the rabble (us) enough that the president has heard our voices and is adjusting his stance.

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    • Bill Wright says:

      BINGO!
      Treepers, listen to this guy. He gets it.

      Meanwhile, Ryan is running anti Tea Party ads in conservative districts, and pro RyanCare ads in moderate districts. In other words, RyanCare had a marketing budget.

      The ball is now in the Freedom Caucus and Second Amendment Caucus’ court. Can they produce a palatable alternative, and can they sell it to the public. As of yet, I see no PowerPoint presentation, just chirping from the cheap seats. Where is the beef. Let’s go guys…chop…chop.

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  46. West Highlands says:

    For some reason, I feel like having a glass of “Shiv-as Regal” this morning! haha

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  47. http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2017/03/how_trump_can_gut_obamacare_without_congress.html
    When the bill was signed into law, Kathleen Sebelius was “the Secretary” of Health and Human Services. Not so today. Now it’s Dr. Price.

    Within the bill there are 2,500 references to “the Secretary”. 700 times the Secretary “shall” do something, 200 times the Secretary “may” do something, and 139 occasions when the “Secretary determines” what should be done.

    These “shall” and “may” determinations cover things like what type of insurance coverage Americans are required to have, how insurance networks and exchanges are organized, how grant money is doled out, what the “essential health benefits” that every insurance policy must cover are.

    Suppose the new Secretary determines that Americans “shall” only be required to have catastrophic insurance? Or no insurance at all? What if the “essential health benefits” are left to the discretion of the purchaser of the insurance policy? What if the Secretary “determines” that there will be no insurance mandates or penalties? Or that insurance “may” be sold across state lines?

    The Secretary also has discretion over “pilot programs” and “demonstration projects” for controlling costs. These include wellness plans, information technology, quality measures, and national payment for Medicaid. Perhaps throw in tort reform and a rollback of many of the many more onerous regulations strangling the medical profession. The Secretary “may” implement these reforms.

    In reality, the Secretary has the statutory power to infect Obamacare with the cancer of repeal and replace, metastasizing into so many aspects of the law that what emerges is a shadow of the original bill. Repeal and replace from within.

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  48. MIKE says:

    Ryan and all of congress did not have a contingency plan. None of the 535 expected President Donald J Trump to even come close to victory. Now they are scrambling to save face. If they were worth their salt, they would have also had a plan to vaporize immediately the clustermess that is Obamascare.
    I love the masterful toying of President Trump with these uniparty infidels. They have had 7+ years to ready and replace a shoddy redistribution of wealth plan with common sense cost-cutting market competition designs. These idiots would rather try to concoct a plan to nullify the Unwanted President instead of doing the right thing for Americans. While we all agree healthcare is riddled with tough problems that need to be corrected, most of us agree that the President has the exact skill set needed to solve these problems. Ryan and the other 534 morons have been exposed as a clear and present danger to the core constituents that power up America. Not enough constituents understand this because they don’t read here or on other well informed sources. I am blessed to read here and get more than just a little insight into the sclerotized black underbelly, i get a direct line-of-sight into the machinations of the sulphur smelling stagnate swampwater of DC. Trump will MAGA with our help.

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  49. Davey says:

    Damn……3D-Time Travel Chess.

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  50. Flair1239 says:

    I really love President Trump. I don’t know why I worry about him so often. He has got this.

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