Judge Robart Was, and Is, Wrong About U.S. Refugee Arrests From Countries Within Trump Visa Ban…

Last week Seattle Judge Robart claimed no-one had been arrested from the seven nations that are included in President Trump’s executive order. From the hearing:

• Judge Robart: “How many arrests have there been of foreign nationals for those seven countries since 9/11?”
• DOJ Attorney Michelle Bennett: “Your Honor, I don’t have that information.”
• Judge Robart: “Let me tell you… The answer to that is none, as best I can tell. So, I mean, you’re here arguing on behalf of someone [President Trump] that says: We have to protect the United States from these individuals coming from these countries, and there’s no support for that.”

Judge Robart is just factually wrong.


Somalia – More than 20 people in Minnesota have faced federal charges related to Al Shabaab, an African terror group, with at least 10 more cases related to ISIS. Defendants have usually been detained while awaiting trial, as prosecutors have argued that they remain flight risks and threats to the community. (link)

In November 2016, 18-year-old Abdul Razak Ali Artan, a Somali refugee, plowed his car into a crowd at Ohio State University, and then stabbed people with a butcher knife. He was not arrested, but would have been if a police officer had not shot him dead.

– On November 18, 2013, in the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of California, Issa Doreh was sentenced to ten years in prison for “conspiracy to provide material support to terrorist, conspiracy to provide material support to foreign terrorist organization, conspiracy to launder monetary instruments, and providing material support to foreign terrorist organization.” Doreh was admitted to the United States as a refugee from Somalia and subsequently obtained a green card and became a citizen. Doreh worked at a money transmitting business that was at the center of the conspiracy, which also involved Ahmed Nasir Taalil Mohamud.

– On January 31, 2014, in the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of California, Ahmed Nasir Taalil Mohamud was sentenced to six years in prison for conspiracy to provide material support to a foreign terrorist organization. Mohamud was admitted to the United States as a refugee from Somalia. He worked as a cabdriver in Anaheim, California where he raised money for the terrorist organization Al-Shabaab. According to the Department of Justice, “[t]he United States presented evidence that Nasir . . . conspired to provide money to al Shabaab, a violent and brutal militia group that engages in suicide bombings, targets civilians for assassination, and uses improvised explosive devices.”

– On April 20, 2015, in the U.S. District Court for the District of Minnesota, Abdurahman Yasin Daud was charged (along with six others) with conspiracy and attempt to provide material support to ISIS. Daud, a Somalian refugee who came to the United States as a child, and subsequently obtained a green card. Daud and another individual drove from Minnesota to San Diego to attempt to get passports, cross the border into Mexico, and fly to Syria in to join ISIS.

– On February 5, 2015, in the U.S. District Court for the Western District of Texas, Abdinassir Mohamud Ibrahim was sentenced to 15 years in federal prison for conspiring to provide material support to Al-Shabaab, a designated foreign terrorist organization, and for making a false statement in his immigration paperwork. Ibrahim is a native of Somalia who came to the United States as a refugee in 2007 at the age of 22 and subsequently obtained a green card. Ibrahim knowingly lied on his citizenship application and previously lied in his request for refugee status, by falsely claiming that he was of a member of the minority Awer clan in Somalia and subject to persecution by the majority Hawiye clan. Ibrahim was actually a member of the Hawiye clan and not subject to persecution. In fact, according to court documents, “Ibrahim’s family was famous . . . [and] [t]hrough his clan lineage, Ibrahim was related to known Somali terrorists[.]” Ibrahim also admitted he lied on his citizenship application by having previously lied on his refugee application by falsely claiming that he had not provided material support to a terrorist group, when he had in fact provided material support in the form of cash to an Al-Shabaab member.

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Syria – An Ohio man traveled to Syria and trained alongside terrorists, then returned to the U.S. with plans to attack a military base or a prison, according to a federal indictment. Abdirahman Sheik Mohamud, a U.S. citizen originally from Somalia, wanted to “kill three or four American soldiers execution style,” according to the indictment. Attacking the prison was part of a backup plan if that didn’t work, the charges said. The indictment also says Mohamud’s brother, Abdifatah Aden, fought with Jabhat al-Nusrah, a State Department-designated terrorist group, until he was killed in battle in Syria in June 2014. (link)

– On January 7, 2016, in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of California, Aws Mohammed Younis Al-Jayab was charged with providing materially false, fictitious, and fraudulent statements and representations to the United States government. He was separately indicted on March 17, 2016 for attempting to provide material support to acts of violence overseas. Al-Jayab — a Palestinian born in Iraq — was admitted to the United States as a refugee in 2012. According to the criminal complaint, beginning in October of 2012 — the very same month he first arrived in the United States — Al-Jayab began communicating with numerous individuals about his intention to go to Syria and fight for terrorist organizations. In April 2013, Al-Jayab made multiple statements to another individual (later identified as Omar Faraj Saeed Al Hardan) regarding his experience handling weapons and killing individuals in Syria. In November 2013, just one year after being welcomed to the United States as a refugee, he traveled to Syria and posted on social media that he was fighting with various terrorist organizations, stating “America will not isolate me from my Islamic duty. Only death will do us part.”

– On February 5, 2015, in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Missouri, Nihad Rosic was charged with conspiring to provide material support and resources to terrorists, providing material support to terrorists, and conspiring to kill and maim persons in a foreign country. Rosic is a native of Bosnia who sources indicate came to the United States as a refugee, obtained a green card, and subsequently applied for and received citizenship. According to the indictment, Rosic sent funds to terrorists abroad, and attempted to travel to Syria to join terrorists in Syria and Iraq. According to press accounts, Rosic was a truck driver and former mixed martial arts fighter who had previously been charged with endangering the welfare of a child after punching a woman in the face while she held a child, and in a separate incident, was charged with assault after allegedly beating his girlfriend with a belt.

Sudan – Idaho, Twin Falls Police Chief Craig Kingsbury has confirmed that three boys who were allegedly involved in the rape of a five-year-old girl in Twin Falls were of Iraqi and Sudanese descent. (link) Sudan was designated as a State Sponsor of Terrorism in 1993 due to concerns about support to international terrorist groups. Elements of al-Qa’ida-inspired terrorist groups remain in Sudan. groups continued to operate in Sudan in 2014 and there continued to be reports of Sudanese nationals participating in terrorist organizations. In 2014, Sudan continued to allow members of Hamas to travel, fundraise, and live in Sudan. In June 2010, four Sudanese men sentenced to death for the January 1, 2008 killing of two U.S. Embassy staff members escaped from Khartoum’s maximum security Kober prison. (link)

– On April 20, 2015, in the U.S. District Court for the District of Minnesota, Guled Ali Omar was charged with conspiracy and attempt to provide material support to ISIS. Omar was born in a Kenyan refugee camp, and sources indicate he came to the United States as a refugee when he was a child, obtained a green card, and subsequently applied for and received citizenship. Omar is the younger brother of another indicted fugitive, Ahmed Ali Omar, who left the United States in 2007 to fight for Al-Shabaab. Another one of his brothers, Mohamed Ali Omar, was convicted in March of 2015 of threatening federal agents when they came to the family’s residence to interview Guled Omar. During a press conference, U.S. Attorney for the District of Minnesota, Andy Luger, said that Omar “never stopped plotting,” and had previously attempted to leave the United States.

– On January 29, 2015, in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia, a federal warrant was unsealed for the arrest of Liban Haji Mohamed for allegedly providing material support to Harakat Shabaab Al-Mujahidin, also known as Al-Shabaab and Al-Qaeda. Mohamed is a native of Somalia who sources indicate came to the United States as a refugee, obtained a green card, and subsequently applied for and received citizenship. He is believed to have left the United States on July 5, 2012, with the intent to join Al-Shabaab in East Africa. Mohamed previously lived in the Washington, D.C. area and worked as a cab driver, and is believed to have snuck across the border to Mexico after being placed on the no-fly list. Carl Ghattas, Special Agent in Charge of the FBI’s Washington, D.C. Field Office emphasized the importance of locating Mohamed, “because he has knowledge of the Washington, D.C. area’s infrastructure such as shopping areas, Metro, airports, and government buildings . . . [t]his makes him an asset to his terrorist associates who might plot attacks on U.S. soil.”

Iraq – The discovery in 2009 of two al Qaeda-Iraq terrorists living as refugees in Bowling Green, Kentucky — who later admitted in court that they’d attacked U.S. soldiers in Iraq — prompted the bureau to assign hundreds of specialists to an around-the-clock effort aimed at checking its archive of 100,000 improvised explosive devices collected in the war zones, known as IEDs, for other suspected terrorists’ fingerprints. (link) An ABC News investigation of the flawed U.S. refugee screening system, which was overhauled two years ago, showed that Alwan was mistakenly allowed into the U.S. and resettled in the leafy southern town of Bowling Green, Kentucky.

– On February 18, 2015, Al-Hazmah Mohammed Jawad was arrested as he attempted to board a flight to Jordan to join and fight with ISIS in Iraq. Jawad was admitted to the United States in 2013 as an Iraqi refugee and he subsequently obtained a green card. Jawad was charged with making a false statement to U.S. government officials. He also stated that he “had been to the shooting range and had been running to get in shape and prepare for his upcoming travels,” and that a uniform was waiting for him in Iraq.

– On January 7, 2016, in the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Texas, Omar Faraj Saeed Al Hardan was charged in an indictment with attempting to provide material support to a foreign terrorist organization, making false statements, and attempting to procure citizenship or naturalization unlawfully. The indictment states that he attempted to provide training, expert advice and assistance, and personnel — specifically himself — to a terrorist organization. Al Hardan — a Palestinian born in Iraq — was admitted to the United States as a refugee in 2009, and obtained a green card in 2011. When applying to become a U.S. citizen, he knowingly responded, certified, and swore untruthfully that he was not associated with a terrorist organization when, in fact, he associated with members and sympathizers of ISIS throughout 2014. During an interview in October 2015, Al Hardan falsely represented that he had never received any type of weapons training, when in fact he had received automatic machine gun training. According to media accounts, Al Hardan told his wife “I will go to Syria. I want to blow myself up. . . . I am against America.”

– On May 25, 2016, in the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Texas, Bilal Abood was sentenced to four years in prison for making a false statement to the FBI. Abood, an Iraqi translator for the U.S. military, was admitted to the United States through the Special Immigrant Visa program for Iraqi translators in 2009, and subsequently became a citizen. Abood enlisted in the Army and went through basic training at Fort Jackson in 2010, but left for unknown reasons. According to court documents, after being prevented from boarding an international flight, Abood told FBI agents that he intended to go to Iraq to visit family. Subsequently, Abood left the United States through Mexico and then traveled through various countries to get to Syria to join ISIS. A subsequent search of his computer revealed that he pledged an oath to the leader of ISIS, despite denying that he had ever made such a pledge.

– On January 29, 2013, in the U.S. District Court for the Western District of Kentucky, Waad Ramadan Alwan was sentenced to 40 years in federal prison, followed by a life term of supervised release for a number of offenses related to terrorism. Alwan is a native of Iraq who was admitted to the United States as a refugee in 2009. According to the Department of Justice’s press release, “Alwan, whose fingerprints were found on an unexploded IED found in Iraq, pleaded guilty earlier in the case on December 16, 2011, to all counts of a 23-count federal indictment. He pleaded guilty to conspiring to kill U.S. nationals abroad; conspiring to use a weapon of mass destruction (explosives) against U.S. nationals abroad; distributing information on the manufacture and use of IEDs; attempting to provide material support to terrorists and to AQI; and conspiring to transfer, possess, and export Stinger missiles.” (emphasis added). During the investigation, while “unwittingly working with an FBI informant, Alwan drew diagrams of roadside bomb models and boasted about attacks on American troops in Iraq.” In a discussion with an FBI informant, Alwan allegedly said that he was skilled with a sniper rifle, and that his “lunch and dinner would be an American [soldier].”

Iran – FBI and DEA agents have disrupted a plot to commit a “significant terrorist act in the United States” tied to Iran, federal officials told ABC News today. The officials said the plot included the assassination of the Saudi Arabian ambassador to the United States, Adel Al-Jubeir, with a bomb and subsequent bomb attacks on the Saudi and Israeli embassies in Washington, D.C. Bombings of the Saudi and Israeli embassies in Buenos Aires, Argentina, were also discussed, according to the U.S. officials. U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder said in an announcement today that the plan was “conceived, sponsored and was directed from Iran” by a faction of the government and called it a “flagrant” violation of U.S. and international law. “The U.S. is committed to holding Iran accountable for its actions,” Holder said. (link)

– On January 29, 2013, in the U.S. District Court for the Western District of Kentucky, Mohanad Shareef Hammadi was sentenced to life in prison for a number of offenses related to terrorism. Hammadi is a native of Iraq who was admitted to the United States as a refugee in 2009. According to the Department of Justice’s press release, “Hammadi pleaded guilty on August 21, 2012, to a 12-count superseding indictment. Charges against him included attempting to provide material support to terrorists and to AQI; conspiring to transfer, possess, and export Stinger missiles; and making a false statement in an immigration application.”

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Libya – A U.S. citizen was among nine killed when gunmen stormed a luxury hotel in the Libyan capital of Tripoli on Tuesday, a senior State Department official said. The attack on the Corinthia Hotel, which sits along the Mediterranean Sea, triggered an hours-long standoff that ended when two assailants set off a grenade that killed them, officials said. Four foreigners and five guards were killed in the attack. The State Department official didn’t provide additional details. (link) There is no current central government in Libya.

Yemen – Anwar al-Awlaki was an American and Yemeni imam and Islamic lecturer. U.S. government officials allege that he was a senior recruiter and motivator who was involved in planning terrorist operations for the Islamist militant group al-Qaeda (link) al-Awlaki spoke with and preached to three of the alleged 9/11 hijackers who were al-Qaeda members. Awlaki presided at the funeral of the mother of Nidal Malik Hasan, an Army psychiatrist who later e-mailed him extensively in 2008–09 before the Fort Hood shootings. Awlaki was the mastermind behind Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, who attempted the 2009 Christmas Day (underwear) bombing of an American airliner.

♦ President Obama puts six month ban on Iraqi refugees in 2011 and media…. crickets.
♦ President Trump puts 120 day suspension on Syrian refugees 2017… media explodes.

♦ Obama selects 7 countries for enhanced visa security policy and media… crickets.
♦ Trump uses Obama law, same Obama DHS policy, and same 7 countries; for a 90-day visa suspension and media explodes.



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469 Responses to Judge Robart Was, and Is, Wrong About U.S. Refugee Arrests From Countries Within Trump Visa Ban…

  1. Marc says:

    The big media deception is the part about this terrorism being “home grown”. They can say it wasn’t foreigners because these “refugees” get naturalized and become citizens so they’re technically Americans by law. The dishonest media wants you to think these are all folks born in the US but they’re immigrants from terror ridden lands. And even the US born Muslims committing terror are almost always the children of Muslim immigrants.


  2. Maquis says:

    I’m on the East side if Washington, mostly Conservative, but I’m still embarrassed as H377! To be a resident of this moral cesspool of a State.

    I’m cancelling my newspaper account tomorrow, too much Leftism and their twisted lies about “facts” that where definitively debunked weeks ago, but they are writing for the Sheeple who swallow every vile thing they find in Dark Places. Now I gotta figure how to go with my tech…

    I would say I want out of this State, but a good sized volcanic eruption and thousand deep mud “lahar” covering all of the West Side would settle things nicely. Or a nice and exciting Cascadia Subduction Zone event of Apopalyptic proportions, creating new waterfront properties in the foothills of the Cascade mountains. Aside from any Treepers trapped there, I can’t think of any people who are more deserving of a Holy Slledge Hammer. Maybe He will throw Portland into the mix as well, why should Washingtonians be the ones to get all their freedom back.

    SOB Inslee is now proposing that “asssult” rifles, as well as every single “high-capacity magazine one owns to be licensed and RELISENCED EVERY. FREAKING. YEAR! It never stops with these monsters. I’ll be on the Capital steps before that happens.


  3. Maquis says:

    SOB Inslee is now proposing that “asssult” rifles, as well as every single “high-capacity magazine one owns to be licensed and RELISENCED EVERY. FREAKING. YEAR! It never stops with these monsters.

    They’re all freaking out about Trump moving to dump the Zero created rule that requires that Social Security inform the background check folks if a single individual has his/or her spouse do the bills and such: incontrovertible evidence of an impending mass-murder drive by, in a wheelchair…

    Oh, some seems to make sense, danger to self or others, but it’s not really designed for that. It’s to grant faceless bureaucrats the power to strip anyone anywhere, with minor issues even derp in tbeir pasts, of their Constitutional Rights. It’s a creeping monster.

    Soon, it’ll be the VA. Any Veteran ever had a hard time with something, and spend a single night in a mental ward, when they may simply be distraught over the massive abuse they have received at the hands of one bureaucracy or another, or to discover their spouses lack of fidelity in their absence…things tbat a Veteran, homeless, w/o his friends or a support structure, may find the VA the only place to go deal with his anguish.

    They suggest a nice overnight, just to talk and all that, and Boom, he’s on the list, he loses a great many of his rights, even custodial battles get decided over these kinds of things.

    Spesking of “Custodial” battles, this kind of “law” encourages women to claim their spouse is unstable, crazy, she’s in fear for her life, all that crap. So, rightly or wrongly, more and more the latter, Restraining Orders are issued and she just won the Divorce Lottery, snd the Custodial Battle to be sure.

    Poor sob would be lucky to be allowed to see this child for an hour or two every month, under the strict supervision of note taking Androgynists who will not permit a single moment alone for those pieces of that shattered family. He won’t have enough time to counter the lies being fed to his child, and, soon, not even being allowed to play the role of a good-time weekend Daddy, entertaining, but not parenting; he will discover his child doesn’t want to play the State Supervision “your Daddy is a boring monster” game anymore.

    Then, even rhose truncated State Enforced Misery visits where he at least got to see his child, maybe even (gasp!) have hugged he, or she, will go away. Child divorcing Father, courtesy of and enforced by CPS. This is one of the many ugly faces of Socialism.

    Destroy masculinity at every turn. Demonize men. Portray them as objects of ineptitude, targets of mockery by their own children and utterly worthless fools…yet, no one ever asks of todays moronic “entertainment” disguised social & reality deconstructionists, WHO, just, who? Who provides the home, the security, the prosperity? The efucation? The life lessons and the security of not having eight “Uncle Freds” rotated through their Mama’s “dance” card?

    Hollywood overlooks who has made the sacrifices to provide, even create, the happy environment the stories play out in. Were real men genuinely the fools as portrayed by network and cable television, those families likely wouldn’t even exist, or they would live in squalor, facing dangers on their own as their parents were seeking to obtain a greater grip on the government teat.

    It’s disgusting, and certainly part of the Communist/Socialist destruction of the American family and subversion of the very real blessings of a genuinely virtuous family life. Unfortunately, the Party of Satan has made great strides in this realm. Women are now promised the home, the car, the kids, and the majority of his income. And they are signing these evil documents and committing heinious crimes familial, in their arrogance, ignoring the real needs of the children. But, greed and narcissism rule the day.

    So very sad
    And infuriating.

    A little site largely intended to save the lives of men and any children they might foolishly conceive with a woman of the world, of this world.

    Men Going Their Own Way

    It’s not a childish celebration of “Lad Culture,” it’s a Reactionary movement against the denigration of men, the destructive laws created by Androgynist women and their puppets, and the Adrogynists acting as judges and (un)civil servants, the Social “Services” Androgynists administering these ridiculous witch hunts and “getting even” with a former abuser or a mere disappointment by destroying any man the government empowers them to entangle in the heartless Dark Soul of nihilism.

    The whole “Progressive” agenda and apparatus is succeeding marvelously. Which is to say, the Gates of H377 are open, and the demons aren’t being drawn in, they are creeping out amongst us.

    Wise Latina my arse.

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    • Jenny R. says:

      Are you quite done?

      I suppose gone are the days of “man is to fulfill the desire of women and women are to give honor to men”…because you “Lads” (and that’s what you are) are just as pagan and bad as the feminists. You AND the feminists (I consider you both the opposite sides of a very ugly and worthless coin) are so full of hate for “the other side” that you can’t remove the beam from your own eye.
      Everything was fun and games: hook up culture, abortion, birth control and divorce were all right (and now advanced sex dolls) when you weren’t wanting anything holding you both back, tying you both down (hey, sexual liberation — a person has a right to sexual release, blah blah). NOW you are some aggrieved party? BS! You liked it; you went along with it; you helped to create it; and you lobbied for everyone to approve of it…Laddies and Lassies. Let’s face it, our culture accepted and tolerated the things that cause everybody’s angst now, and still do. You liked your “Lad and Lassie culture, and now you’ve blessed the world with all manner of illness (literally…what’s the percentage now of people in the U.S. suffering from some sort of STD?) and sterility (none of you have kids anymore…and it isn’t because of divorce court; it’s because nobody wants to not have their way). AND NOW YOU (LADIES AND GENTS OF THE DECADENT WEST) DON’T LIKE IT ANYMORE BECAUSE YOU ARE A BIT OLDER AND YOUR OWN MORTALITY IS STARTING TO LOOK BACK AT YOU…AND YOU FIND THAT YOU WILL BE LONELY IN THE END ON TOP OF BEING UTTERLY LOST…well, you get what you call up; think about that.
      This has nothing to do with gun control or veterans or even marital law — that’s trying to piggyback on another issue which is a tactic of the victimhood brigade, shame on you (yes, and shame on the feminists who try to attach their own vile cause onto other issues which have, gasp, nothing to do with them). This has everything to do with a pop culture that’s basically dung and a bunch of angry boys and girls who bought into said culture and don’t want to grow up and take responsibility for their own bad actions…and then improve on their behavior.

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      • platypus says:

        Jenny, I certainly hope he isn’t done yet. This horse manure has a long and brutal history in WA state, and shows no sign of slowing or stopping. For each generality that he has made, I can provide case files from my time as a paralegal trying to prevent suicides and/or murders deriving from these vermin and their power trips.

        My email address is platypus.group at gmail dot com should you doubt my statements.

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        • Jenny R. says:

          My major issue is that his primary topic has nothing at all to do with veterans and the like being put on lists to take away their 2nd Amendment rights or to do with immigrant vetting — that those are being USED to get to the real point of the rant…which has something to do with the present gender problems (to which I ascribe blame to both parties and am seriously sick of hearing the acrimony…and lack of personal responsibility).

          And as far as family (let’s call it by it’s real name: divorce) court: again, both sides, should but won’t claim responsibility. It is an off shoot of the free love bs that infected our society before I was born (but fortunately my parents were not of that generation and I was spared much of the insanity until adulthood)…it was all well an good until one realizes that it creates the type of men and women who cannot settle down and raise families because they are monsters of self-absorbtion. Then they complain because they can’t “find anybody”…maybe one should try being a “somebody proper” oneself before going on a quest for such things.

          I am quite aware of the other issues and don’t disagree that they are ridiculous (I don’t disagree that there is something inherently wrong with our family structure). But the way many are going about it is hardly beneficial — strychnine and arsenic are two seemingly different things…but they both will kill you.


    • Sandra says:

      MGTOW sounds on the surface to be reasonable, but check out the MGTOW videos on YouTube. I happened across them a few days ago and I was completely dismayed. They are the equivalent of the worst man-hating feminists. They remind me of the old PUA crowd. Abusive toward women. Lots of hate. I can totally understand men who don’t want to feel like they must marry or must have a girlfriend at all times or cannot live without women, but hating women is absolutely unhealthy just as hating men is. Can’t we all just get along? 🙂

      As for the gun issue, we can all be so thankful that Trump was elected. If Hillary had been elected (pardon me while I retch) I’m sure we’d be suffering all sort of new choking gun regulations. They don’t want me to be able to protect myself, thanks Dems!, but they’re OK with me murdering as many fetuses as I can! Gotta love their priorities there.


      • Jenny R. says:

        I cannot understand why men think they shouldn’t marry (the girlfriend thing is a product of free love bs and is rather a modern aberration), and the same for women. It’s the natural state to be in a coupled pair bond (and the apogee is the married, monogamous couple in a close immediate family — as that has proven to be the conjugation which produces the best likelihood of a stable, caring environment and society for the raising of offspring…which is our natural, biological impetus for living). So, better for the individual, better for the family unit, and better for society — why not do the better/right thing then?

        And women and men are far too spoiled rotten anymore and decadent to get that done correctly (they’d rather watch porn or take up idiotic causes like feminism and this MGTOW…and then cry about how they have no one because NO ONE IS GOOD ENOUGH!)…and we have all been complicit because we’ve all let them off the bloody hook…”oh they don’t have to; I understand”. NO! No more “understanding” this — men and women both need a swift kick and to be told to grow up, it isn’t all about them. Life is a compromise venture; it will involve personal sacrifice and sorrow, hard choices. There are of course benefits and joys too, but it isn’t going to go all one’s way.

        And the stories I could tell about the Lads and Lasses…both utterly stupid and shallow.


    • Sherlock says:

      Don’t know anything about the group referred to, but lots of truth in the post, Maquis.

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  4. DD Mau says:

    What REALLY bothers me is that the Lawyer for the Gov’t didn’t “Have that information” when asked about how many refugee terror incidents from “those countries” had occurred in the US.
    Seriously? You walk into a hearing related to terror attacks and your not ready to answer something like that? Pathetic.

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  5. USMCLt says:

    A better retort to this judge’s stupid, Democrat talking point argument would be to rhetorically ask him why we need to wait until until an attacker comes from one of the seven countries and successfully pulls off a spectacularly successful attack. Where in the Constitution are we commanded to allow an enemy to strike us before we defend ourselves??? Am I the only person in America who recognizes the lunacy behind this ridiculous argument???

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    • Sandra says:

      You are not the only one. 🙂 We have sanity here in the Treehouse. Don’t feel alone. 🙂 What I can’t figure out is whether or not this idiot judge actually believes the BS coming out of his mouth. He’s really concerned that a university in Washington might miss out on the tuition from a few banned students? This is more important to him than national security or performing proper legal analysis on a President’s executive order??


      • 1gandydancer says:

        “…this idiot judge actually believes …that [if] a university in Washington might miss out on the tuition from a few banned students…[it] is more important to him than national security…”?

        Yup. And so does the 9th Circuit panel that refused to end the TRO: “On the one hand, the public has a powerful interest in national security and in the ability of an elected president to enact policies. And on the other, the public also has an interest in free flow of travel, in avoiding separation of families, and in freedom from discrimination. We need not characterize the public interest more definitely than this; when considered alongside the hardships discussed above, these competing public interests N do not justify a stay.” http://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2017/02/09/17-35105.pdf Got that? The “powerful” interest in “national security and in the ability of an elected president to enact policies” doesn’t outweigh anything much.


    • mike says:

      We’re entering into a “Cuban missle crisis” with Iran and not looking carefully at Iranians entering the US ?!?

      Maybe the judge is some foreign entity’s asset?


  6. EJ says:

    The guest on O’Reilly said that his judge is mostly a conservative judge and appointed by Bush. Conservative on the west coast isn’t all that conservative, but if he is middle ground, I wonder if the Order was poorly written.

    I know everyone thinks barring refuges is legal. Well it is, too a certain extent. The President can bar people from coming here. However that rule was amended such the method restricting the immigrants/refuges cannot violate our civil rights laws. For example,he cannot bar people based on race, religion, sex, or the other protected classes, etc.


    • platypus says:

      Your comments on discrimination are wrong. The president is authorized to discriminate any anyone or any groups. If you (or anyone else) thinks otherwise, find an aggrieved person and sue the fed govt for unconstitutional discrimination.

      Unless the law is unconstitutional on its face (which it is not), your lawsuit would fail.

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      • EJ says:

        I am an attorney, I have already researched the law. Bans are legal but they are subject to discrimination laws of the USA. You reference the Constitution, did you forget about the 14th Amendment? You should brush up on that before you make such a statement.

        Nonetheless, I don’t think banning people from countries is discriminatory.


      • EJ says:

        Here is a good pro-Trump brief on the subject.

        Click to access R44743.pdf

        But even page 6 (footnote 38) addresses that the President’s power would be subject to the First Amendment (among other things). However, to ban an alien based on their national origin only rises to “rational basis” scrutiny. Which is the lowest level of scrutiny. He just needs a ‘rational basis’ to make the order. Here it is simple – the 7 countries harbor terror. So it is rational to ban people from those countries.

        Had the order been based on something else, like religion, it is likely that the Court would apply a strict scrutiny review (as it normally would for the protected classes). So again, the question is whether it is discriminatory or not. In this case it is not, because the order is tied to national origin. Because the context of the order is based on immigration, the national origin issue (which is normally a strict scrutiny issue under the Equal Protection clause) is downplayed to rational basis. Had it been a muslim ban, I think it would be unconstitutional. No question.


        • 1gandydancer says:

          Can you articulate why exclusion on the basis of religion should be subject to strict scrutiny while exclusion on the basis of national origin should not?

          Also, given the fact that jihad is an actual tenet of the Muslim religion, there is something wrong with strict scrutiny doctrine if you can’t discriminate against Muslim admission because of it. The Constitution is not a suicide pact. If a Muslim ban fails strict scrutiny irregardless of the danger of importing Muslims then that means you need to rewrite either strict scrutiny or the Constitution, and I prefer the former.


    • deplorable says:

      “However that rule was amended such the method restricting …”

      What “rule” are you talking about and what do you mean it was “amended”? References please.

      We’re talking about the Constitution, the law, and how it applies to American citizens here.


      • EJ says:

        8 U.S. Code § 1182(F) allows the immigration ban. The liberals keep calling it a “muslim ban” because they want to hang their hat on the argument that President Trump is discriminating, which he cannot do. He has good lawyers, there was a reason he limited the ban to 7 countries identified by President Obama as harboring terror. They knew they needed justification to do such a ban and what better way to justify something to a liberal than to use Obama’s words? Kind of funny actually.

        Here is the Supreme Court on the subject:

        The Federal Government may not discriminate invidiously against aliens, Mathews v. Diaz, 426 U.S. 67, 77 (1976). However, because of the plenary power delegated by the Constitution to the national government to deal with aliens and naturalization, federal classifications are judged by less demanding standards than are those of the States, and many classifications which would fail if attempted by the States have been sustained because Congress has made them. Id. at 78-84; Fiallo v. Bell, 430 U.S. 787 (1977).


    • 1gandydancer says:

      The 1952 law rule was not “amended”. The 1965 law included boilerplate about not discriminating on the basis of race, religion or national origin and it is argued by motivated lawyers that this restricts the President’s powers under the 1952 law. But it has NEVER been interpreted that way. E.g., Carter banned Iranians and Obama stopped entry from Iraq. You can’t discriminate against Syrians, but you can restrict entry from Syria. It’s not the same thing.


  7. amanda4321 says:

    Just found this interesting comment over on Jonathan Turley’s blog (https://jonathanturley.org/2017/02/05/ninth-circuit-rejects-motion-for-immediate-reinstatement-of-executive-order-but-schedules-expedited-argument-for-monday/comment-page-1/#comments)–comment claims that Judge Robart is a member of something called the Sedona Conference that is akin to Bilderberg.

    1, February 5, 2017 at 10:26 am

    Congress already found corruption in the federal courts in 1959 and congress ignored it. Here is the final report written in 1959. I had a case in the Ninth circuit. I’m glad Trump is getting to see the corruption for himself. This judge is a member of the ultra left Sedona Conference that collaborates with the EU under some nefarious alibi that they are working out electronic discovery. Nothing but another Bilderberg conference usurping political power.

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    • All the elites are pedophiles in my book until proven otherwise. Either they are committing the act itself — or — covering it up, which equates to the guilt of it IMO. Anyone that is pro religion of rape aka islam is a definite pedophile in my book. And that is just the tip of the iceberg.

      They call us racists? LOL! I call them pedophiles. Let’s see how they like that label eh?

      I’m surprised no one has figured that out yet. They’re all pedophiles. That is a great label for THEM. But many on the right are too busy defending themselves clutching their pearls going out of their way to disprove they are not a racist. As if the label “racist” really is valid in the first place. You can replace xenophobia or sexist or homophobia or whatever Lefty label they use to keep people in line. The fact is if a person supports ISLAM they support rape and pedophilia. If a person supports the elite they support pedophilia because the elite are the ones buying little babies and small children for $75k per child.

      The great thing is that the pedophile tag sticks on them — on anyone — that won’t expose and eradicate this crime against humanity. I include all the media that won’t report on it too. If they don’t report on it that makes them pedophiles, they are either doing it or covering it up.

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      • There is a pathology on the left that creates the conditions that allow these crimes to thrive. There was a western correspondent in Stalin’s Russia who reported the mass starvation of people as “happy well fed people”. When a Manchester paper tried to report the truth he got the journalist sacked. It turned out that this lying Russian correspondent that was trying to cover up the mass starvation was a degenerate into “Satanic” orgies. This is no coincidence ! See United in Hate: The Left’s Romance with Tyranny and Terror – https://www.amazon.com/United-Hate-Romance-Tyranny-Terror/dp/1935071602


  8. Mo Kip says:

    You missed some big ones. Ramsi Yousef (the convicted WTC bomber) came into the U.S on an Iraqi passport. Also, one of the WTC bombing masterminds was from Sudan (Siddig Ibrahim Siddig Ali) who was also the alleged ring leader of a group which included several more from Sudan who were part of another plot to do bombings throughout NYC. See this article: http://www.nytimes.com/1993/06/25/nyregion/specter-terror-overview-8-seized-suspects-plot-bomb-new-york-targets-kill.html?pagewanted=all

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  9. Moroni Breitbart says:

    Time for a re-visit of ‘The Star Chamber’…but this time we need to start taking out Judges.


  10. Rudy D. Bennor says:

    The irony here is that this activist judge bases his decision on there being no evidence of problem individuals from the seven countries listed in the XO. So the 9th Circuit will have to nullify this A-hole’s stay on the ban because his assumption that there have been no problems was incorrect. If the 9th does not nullify, which would not surprise me, it just further exposes the activism of the 9th circuit and this will go to SCOTUS.


  11. All American Snowflake says:

    Muslims are the most rude, despicable, nasty-minded, “elites” on the face of the earth. Some of the other illegal “elites” may upon occasion be almost polite. Have you yet noticed how all our immigrants are elite, special, and most of all snooty?


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