Kellyanne Conway Is Not Helping Donald Trump – And Perhaps That’s the Plan…

There were two types of people who attended CPAC in March 2016 and gave Speaker Paul “Omnibus” Ryan (the former chair of the budget, well, actually, non-budget committee) a standing ovation.

  • Type one was the professional political class, the UniParty membership, the GOPe; those who happily welcomed Omnibus and who gleefully ignore the seventh spending  of the nearly $1 trillion, “one-time” 2009 stimulus bill.
  • Type two, was those who are overcome with battered conservative syndrome and see nothing wrong with giving thanks to their abuser.

One of those attendees was the former partner of GOPe mouthpiece Frank Luntz, and current campaign manager for Donald Trump, Kellyanne Conway.

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Whether Conway is the hand placing the scorpion into the bed sheets of Trump, or whether she is the scorpion itself, is yet to be determined.  However, one thing appears quite clear, she was not put into the Trump campaign to ensure his election.  Exactly the opposite appears true.

Conway’s current action, the ‘too-cute-by-half’ schtick on Trump’s immigration policy, is factually undermining the Trump campaign.  Then again, shouldn’t this be expected when fellow consulting traveler Luntz and herself hold the same professional immigration objectives outlined in their historic support for Marco ‘gang-of-eight‘ Rubio.

It’s well known, the UniParty has a collective immigration agenda, amnesty (under various “comprehensive” parseltongue auspices), and a quasi-open border approach granting virtually unlimited immigration use policies.

Everyone would be very wise to remember the Senate Gang-of-Eight bill almost passed the house in 2014 because Boehner, Cantor, McCarthy, Ryan were all actively working toward the vote in June when Cantor was primaried by Dave Brat.  Brat’s defeat of Cantor stopped the vote less than 72 hours before it was scheduled to take place.

In the buildup to the June 2014 House vote, Frank Luntz and the various Fox tentacles were in full alignment with the GOPe to pass the grand Obamacare-like usurpation against the will of the electorate.

The U.S. CoC, Wall Street, the people who pay for ‘the Conways’ of the political class, had it all worked out.

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Back in August of 2015, when Jeb was still the chosen choice and when the rise of Trump was the paramount GOPe/UniParty concern, another of Conway’s professional consulting allies, Alex Castellanos shared exactly how the Trump insurgency could be destroyed:

[…]  The best way to do it is how Brutus killed Caesar. Get real close, snuggle up, and shiv him in the ribs. (link)

If by “shive him in the ribs” Castellanos was referring to having Trump’s campaign manager directly and unilaterally begin to contradict the very platform that gained Donald Trump so much enthusiastic support, then it appears the Castellano’s plan is well underway.

In the past four days, it appears Mrs. Conway -a long term advocate for the GOPe position– has begun to undermine her own candidate:

Conway attempted to clarify Trump’s stance on immigration, saying he wants to ensure the law is enforced…. “to be determined“, she says.

“What he supports is to make sure that we enforce the law, that we are respectful of those Americans who are looking for well-paying jobs, and that we are fair and humane for those who live among us in this country,” she said.

It appears Mrs. Conway is quite adept at creating just the right size crack in her candidate’s armor that will allow the circling MSM to drive their wedge lustfully into the opening and provide themselves the demoralizingly joyful “we told you so” to Donald Trump supporters.  “Isolate-Ridicule-Marginalize” ~Saul Alinsky

And Conway’s veiled efforts are not going unnoticed:

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Mickey Kaus, an overwhelmingly decent man, is being overly generous with the use of “suggestive generalities“.  What Kellyanne Conway is actually doing is far more damaging, far more demoralizing.

And with the 25+ year political pedigree of Mrs. Conway in mind, and knowing her rolodex is jammed full with a who’s-who of the professional UniPartyparty apparatus, and knowing she is a walking gatekeeper for Billionaire Robert Mercer, well… it ain’t because she’s new or naive to this process – Conway knows exactly what she’s doing.

…and none of it is good:

And it ain’t just Mickey, Byron and us noticing:

@04:16 “this could be my shortest book tour ever”…

Some political followers who also travel through the deep weeds have suggested that Conway is testing out “false flags” to gauge the potential severity for backlash.

Nope. I just can’t extend her that much credit…. it just sounds too much like falling back on the old “battered conservative syndrome” hopes and prayers – they won’t do it again, etc.

Oh hell yes they will.  They always do.

Breaking the cycle of battered conservative syndrome means you accept things as they are, not as you wish them to be.

If you accept things as they are – the fact is Mrs. Kellyanne Conway has spent her entire political lifetime advocating for, and being paid for, positions that are entirely popular amid the donor class and the professional DC politburo…. then, you must also accept grandma’s odd adage: “a leopard doesn’t change it’s spots“.

Or for the sake of this analogy, Aesop’s fable is more appropriate:

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A scorpion and a frog meet on the bank of a stream and the scorpion asks the frog to carry him across on its back.

The frog asks, “How do I know you won’t sting me?”  The scorpion says, “Because if I do, I will die too.”

The frog is satisfied, and they set out.  But in midstream, the scorpion stings the frog.  The frog feels the onset of paralysis and starts to sink, knowing they both will drown, but has just enough time to gasp “Why?

Replies the scorpion: “It’s my nature…”

Trump Frog.

“Shiv” delivered.

It’s her “nature”…

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1,590 Responses to Kellyanne Conway Is Not Helping Donald Trump – And Perhaps That’s the Plan…

  1. rubyyarn says:

    This thread has been quite a ride! My opinion at this point is, if Trump has taken a snake into his camp, he must have need of its venom. He still knows that it is a snake. Once he has extracted what he needs, he will release it back into the wild.

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    • Citizen Kane says:

      There is no “snake”…..this is all intended and necessary part of the evolution of a campaign. There is a legitimate debate going on within the campaign on how to handle Trump’s “evolution” on immigration.

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  2. Citizen Kane says:

    This “fissure” over Trump’s immigration policy was inevitable. The campaign is now struggling with how to to more meat on the policy yet sound reasonable, compassionate, and fair.

    Trump is struggling to find a way to sound more moderate on this issue but not lose base/core support.

    Personally, I think the tougher the stance on immigration, the better. No need to go soft.

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    • John R says:

      Yes, so better now he makes some reasonable minor tweaks. It can only benefit him in the election. Anyone on the fence with Trump is not on the fence because they thought he wouldn’t follow through in the toughest way possible on immigration. I also don’t see any probable Trump voters moving to someone else or not voting at all because of this. I believe this only adds potential votes for Trump or moves some people to listen more and consider him. He needs some of the NeverTrump voters and this is what this is. I will give him the benefit of the doubt in his priority to fix a completely broken immigration system.

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    • This article is all about KAC, not Trump’s immigration plan. And I agree with every word re. KAC being a uniparty GOPE hack. Trump just as easily could have hired Lindsay Graham as his campaign mgr. as KAC. No difference.

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  3. mari says:

    Glad to have CTH to come and get away from the MSM lies. I cannot get myself to listen to them very long. So thankful for the positive, inspiring and hopeful discussion on Trump’s success.

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  4. Tomcat.AK1972 says:

    I did a google search for Kellyanne Conway, and the interesting thing that popped up were two very recent tabloid magazine articles. Like, 4 days ago recent. The articles, one in People and the other in Cosmopolitan, were basically meet-and-greets about her and the fact that she is now Trump’s campaign manager.

    What struck me as odd was the tone of these articles. One was in People magazine, and the other was in Cosmopolitan. Not that I read either of these magazines on a regular basis, but I have noticed in the past a disconcerting tendency for both mags to tack wildly left. That being said, the tone of these two Kellyanne Conway articles let me to believe that the reader was supposed to favorably re-evaluate Trump as a candidate. I’m okay with that.

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    • Trumped says:

      Good find. That is the whole plan by Trump.
      These magazines are read by the suburban “conservative” woman who are in utter disgust of the vulgarian Trump but if this Conway woman, who is just like herself(bad bleached hair), is fine with Trump then why not me?
      Can you imagine the discussion at diner with her husband who secretly longs to be a Trump vulgarian on the weekend? (Result: Suburbia who voted against Trump in the primary, will be part fo the landslide http://edition.cnn.com/election/primaries/states/va/)

      Its sad that people need to be persuaded in such a fashion but thats how it works.

      And for all the angry white males who are in utter fear at the prospect of Trump “softening”,.. Bannon will care for you.

      Sad, but thats how it works when you have people who arent consciously aware.(it got a bit better the last years through the alt news though)

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    • sDee says:

      The media, that includes People and Cosmopolitan, does not want anyone to favorably re-evaluate Trump. Those magazines are there to paint the scorpion pink and cuddly.

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      • Trumped says:

        Or Trump, the media pro and journalist puppet master, placed her there?

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        • Trumped says:

          The same way he placed himself in many magazines to increase his outreach!

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        • sDee says:

          I gotta trust Trump. Maybe its a test or maybe he has her on a very short leash.

          The anti-Trump media barrage is non-stop from every angle….. MSM, social media, and everything in between. I think few, if any, Pavlovians will be turned around by the nuance of her spin amid all the media drumbeating. I do know it filters through through to Trump’s base who will say “what the heck?”

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  5. TimeIsNow says:

    So, now Sundance has allowed a huge group of Concern Trolls to get out their Concern” about Trump’s planned “Massive Betrayals.”

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    • 2x4x8 says:

      it is a legit issue, needs social conversation, MSM is to be all Trump, all the time

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      • Janet Tan says:

        It is a legit issue but it has turned into a Conway crucification. For all we know, Trump might actually be wanting to try and find a humane answer to a very difficult question.

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        • Doug says:

          Kellyanne Conway ran Ted Cruz’s Super PAC. After Ted Cruz’s stunt at the Republican Convention Trump should have kept Conway away from his campaign. The girl from Texas is going to take Trump down when no one else could.

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        • Kalena says:

          I am sorry to not be sorry about a “humane” answer to a “difficult question”. What is humane for these fence jumpers to cut in front of the line of people who are trying to get here legally? They ALL need to go back home and re-apply at the back of the line. When their US born children come of age, let those kids come back, but they should not be “anchors” to illegal parents. We need to eliminate the anchor baby citizenship.

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        • Jeff Coley says:

          “Humane” is the trap Trump must avoid falling into. Even if it’s “for the children”.

          Elian Gonzalez’s mother died to get him out of Cuba, and Bill Clinton sent in armed federal agents to rip him from the arms of his Florida relatives and return him home. This should be the precedent and set the tone for the Trump immigration plan.

          “Don’t even think about it. You will not make the USA your home if you came here illegally”.

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          • majorstar says:

            Trump has ALWAYS used the word “humane” when referring to his plans for deportation. No change there, folks. Maybe you overlooked it, but it was always there. Just as his statement on health care that he would not allow Americans to “die in the streets”. Trump is compassionate and that is good. That is the great irony about the media’s characterization of him. He isn’t a bigot, he’s not a racist, and he doesn’t lack a heart.

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          • JMC says:

            Exactly. I still don’t understand why the picture of the armored soldier holding the M-16 in front of an obviously terrified Elian Gonzales being held by his equally terrified aunt in their apartment isn’t being played 24/7 by the Trump folks. Because these are the Clintons.

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        • soozword says:

          Illegals have had a nice vacation here at OUR expense, both in blood and treasure. Those costs have been astonomical. The only humane thing to do is to get them repatriated just as soon as utterly possible.

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    • amjean says:

      Poppycock.

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    • John R says:

      Please everyone, you have to put all of this into perspective. Trump has promised all along he is a negotiator. That doesn’t mean he will deliver on everything he has said. He is a smart businessman who knows you start with more than you think you will get. The ART of the deal doesn’t mean you get everything you publicly asked for, it means you end up where you wanted to be in the first place, and the other side thinks they won something in the process. Trump has been very clear that this is how he operates. So now why are people making a big deal of the immigration issue. It is more than obvious he can’t do everything he says without some compromise. and to be fair to Trump he has absolutely never said he would deport ALL illegal immigrants. It is the media that loaded up the question “how will you deport all 11m”, but that was the plan and it never was. It was to take away criminals first, prioritized to the worst among them, and no more catch and release. Enforce existing laws. Make it much more difficult to hire illegal labor is point number two. And point three is no more benefits to people who came into the country illegally. If just these basic things happen – he won’t need to deport 11m because the problem will be much much smaller.

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      • John R says:

        instead of “but” is was supposed to be “as if” that was the plan and it never was.

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      • Doug says:

        Illegal immigration and what Trump would do about it is the single issue he can not go weak on, it is the issue that got him the nomination. If he doesn’t stand for controlling immigration he stands for nothing.

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        • John R says:

          Partially agree. Doing something big about illegal immigration is what he has staked his candidacy on from early on. Building a wall, deporting illegal immigrants caught committing crimes, creating an e-verify system, and eliminating Government benefits all qualify as big in my book. If as part of that package there is a compromise to give people who have not committed a crime a path to a legal permission to work so be it. It just needs to be controlled and in the interest of American Citizens first.

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          • rajabear1 says:

            Caught committing a crime? What is over staying a visa or crossing a border or stealing an American’s identity?
            They are crimes. Plain and simple.
            He HAS spoken about the 14th amendment and how it does not give legitimacy to anchor babies.
            I’m in AZ, I know the very real effects of illegal immigration. I have no pity for anyone committing this very real crime. It has effected almost everyone I know in one way or another, send them back from wherever they’re from.
            Without real change, we’ll never adjust the economy, have better security or change our health care.
            Immigration is the coner stone.

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            • John R says:

              Over staying a Visa or crossing a border or stealing an identity doesn’t mean you are caught. It takes resources to follow that up and we don’t have unlimited resources – so we need to be smart about how this is done. If there is an incentive to turn themselves in, then part of the package (law and or consequence of breaking the law – amnesty) can come into play legally. Tax law does this all the time.

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      • dalethorn says:

        I think we need to see the difference between facts and principles. If the facts (to paraphrase the Declaration of Independence) at some point evince a design to abrogate the principles, then we have a problem.

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  6. Andrew E. says:

    I was wondering when the specifics of the deportations was finally going to rise to the surface. This is essentially what this election is all about. Who are we actually willing to send out of the country? The criminals are too easy. That’s only a few hundred thousand anyway. The vast majority of illegals are nice people, many with anchor baby children. Tens of millions of them.

    They all leave. That’s the law. Enforce the law. In the cases of anchor baby children, have the government support family unification and strongly ‘encourage’ the illegal parents to take their ‘citizen’ children with them.

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    • Bull Durham says:

      Trump’s original indication was a “police force” style to be used to deport.
      So, the softening is he has abandoned that concept. No trucks, guns and raids on homes and apartments to drag people out and ship them across the border.

      Logical. The Establishment has always distorted what he says. That description is like his “trade wars” and 45% taxes on everything coming into the country. All exaggerated by his enemies.

      Next they will say he won’t open the coal mines and won’t build any bridges, and he’ll agree to Global Warming and Climate Change rules. And he’ll agree to Spanish as a second language.

      It’s laughable. The man’s positions on these issues are 30 years old. He hasn’t changed a word. You want to know his position? Look at videos from the eighties.

      Trump knows what got him the nomination. He knows the same issues + Clinton Corruption will get him the victory.

      His entire life has been to set a goal, get to the goal, win. Long battles to get property, to change the property, to build what he wants, to win.

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      • Andrew E. says:

        So everyone leaves then, even if it isn’t done paramilitary style? (Which I never for an instant assumed it would be, knowing what he meant by deportation force)

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        • Beenthere says:

          Yes, it’s called fining those businesses big time for hiring illegals. It will certainly change the hiring practices of these business owners.

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      • Mike says:

        I think that’s it. He’s trying to find a balance between deporting but doing so in a humane way. Is EVERY SINGLE Illegal alien going to be deported? Probably not. Are exceptions going to be made? Probably.

        Simply enforcing the laws on the books, defunding sanctuary cities, cutting off welfare, , drivers, licenses, free education, and prosecuting businesses that hire illegals would go a long way.

        It’s a nuanced, complex situation. Naturally, the press misrepresented and lied, like they always do.

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    • Sentient says:

      “Enforce the law” can be purposefully non-specific. The law can be changed.

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    • sDee says:

      Yes. “deportation” is always a red herring.

      Once the honey pot is sealed shut, the bears will go home. Deportation will be needed for only a small percentage – the irremediable.

      Same with anchor babies. Parents do not leae thier children behind.

      Once home again, any who really love America and want to contribute can get in line at the gate for a visa.

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    • mazziflol says:

      “The vast majority of illegals are nice people,”

      Let me re-write that for you: The vast majority of illegals are nice criminals…

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      • dalethorn says:

        Yes – if we’re going to have “undocumented immigrants”, then we need “undocumented border patrol”. Democrats are fond of the former, and scared to death of the latter.

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    • John R says:

      That actually isn’t the law. The law doesn’t say all illegal immigrants must leave. That would be like writing a law that says all murderers must turn themselves in. He is talking about a principled plan that would stop the problem. To do this you have to combine forces of action such as: take away the ability to return easily (Build a wall, eliminate birthright citizenship), increase the number of personnel and resources dedicated to deportations, minimize the ability to work (e-verify and heavy fines), and take away incentives (welfare, housing, healthcare etc). Saying they all leave – that’s the law is oversimplified. You have to disrupt the ability for people to come illegally in the first place, and then make it very difficult to live if they did. I am an American but I live in Switzerland. We don’t even have a wall, but it is almost impossible to live here for very long if you aren’t here legally. There is virtually no illegal immigration problem, and they don’t have to go door to door looking for people en force.

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    • John Galt says:

      “The vast majority of illegals are nice people”

      They are all criminals. The vast majority of them have falsified or fraudulently obtained documents which they use to cheat American citizens out of jobs and obtain benefits funded by US citizens.

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  7. Bull Durham says:

    Conway is not a strong communicator. Long ago, whenever she was on TV, for Cruz or whoever, years back, I always thought she was slow, inexact, tired. She is not high energy.

    That leads to thinking she is not quite all in.

    This is the greatest opportunity of her life. Elect a President who is a shoo in if she does it right.
    She does best with the speeches. They are cleaned up versions of his rallies.

    I suspect that Trump will be who he has always been on issues. He will never back off. But, his demeanor is changed. Just as his rally speaking has changed.

    Conway will be less and less important as the next two weeks passes. She will be pulled off the TV tour. She is too weak to represent on TV.

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    • Trumped says:

      I promise you that many woman loved her today on Fox and Friends.

      Liked by 2 people

    • rajabear1 says:

      I hope you are correct BD. I see her for what she is, a DC politico who is working for their interests, not the American people’s.
      I hated hearing she was hired and completely leary of her influence as a pollster. I have watched silently as, what I believe, her influence play out.
      I think he might be becoming aware of the effect of his ‘stance shift’ because he cancelled CO major immigration policy speech and went to the border instead.
      The immigration issue cuts across all spectrums of the American people. He will have many people disappointed and will once again stay home if he plays the typical politician the last weeks of the campaign.
      And no, not a freakin troll…a very insightful pragmatic woman who was nervous when he had to grow his inner circle, who would would slither in and try to undermine making America great again…
      It is no coincidence that the campaign immigration policy started to shift after his meeting with the Hispanic group last week. Who do you think arranged that? Did anyone look at the group’s objectives?

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      • Trumped says:

        I bet she has huge amount of money to win per her contract if Trump gets elected.
        More then any #nevertrumper is willing to pay her

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      • majorstar says:

        Oh help help, a DC politico. Who do you think are the experts in running political campaigns? Trump chooses professionals to do jobs. THAT’S his M.O. That was the case with Lewandowski, it was also the case with Manafort. It’s the case with Conway. After ridiculing the Cruzbots for their righteous demand of ideological purity, now we have Trumpers taking on the same characteristics. Too rich.

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  8. I noticed immediately something was wrong when Trump issued that pathetic, totally out of character, generalized apology for putative ” rhetorical mishaps”( there haven’t been any, really )…and for having hurt people’s feelings…. The crowd was immediately deflated… It was a complete and total misstep …..I posted numerous comments on Twiiter, hoping Trump wasn’t turning into Stuart Smelly, as it was clear that ” apology” was scripted, BY SOMEONE ELSE— because it basically contradicted everything about Trump’s campaign— but got no traction….it was Kelly……The ” flip-flop” on illegals and I knew the new people were screwing Trump– looks like Kelly– why would he hire someone so clearly Establishment for so long…Bannon ?….no doubt, they are trying to TTake Trump down from the inside

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    • Trumped says:

      Trump has much more discipline and vision into the future then you think.

      Trump “insulted” people on purpose to deliver his message. He planned to “apologize” later on before the first “insult” did go on air.

      It was the exact right time. A lot of former nevertrumpers were persuaded by that. He is now in a even better position.
      You make it look he kneed infront of lying Ted.

      All working by plan.

      Again, some of you should read at least the art of the deal to understand what is going on, before coming to false uneducated conclusions.

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      • Trump hasn’t insulted anyone who didn’t deserve it….listen to it…the audience is totally deflated by this bizarre , pathetic apology to anyone and everyone whose feelings I may have hurt because I misspoke —- THATS NOT TRUMP— it’s a scripted line, that he read awkwardly, because it was do alien….I thought it was crafted by a woman trying to ” reach out ” and other BS…

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        • Trumped says:

          Thats why I used ” ”

          Doesnt change that many people felt he is an insulter and that is what sadly count in the end. The perception.
          The audience wasnt deflated. They where suprised as anyone else.
          If someone thinks he less of a man or less of Trump then you are following an artsy comic figure and not a real man.

          It did him a lot of good. Many people, maybe out of your scope, coming around.

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    • jupitercomm says:

      Thank you for Correcting the Record
      One micro-shekel has been deposited to your Wells Fargo account

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    • Don’t be ridiculous— That generic apology was a Total Disaster…then the wimpy representations about illegal immigration– it reflected someone knew who either had no ide why Trump is winning so big — or was trying to screw him

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      • John R says:

        Or, it was strategic. It was totally generic and the media interpreted it as directed to Kahn. But all I saw from the media, was nobody believed it anyway. For me it was essentially reinforcement that no matter what he does or says – the media is totally against him. This is part of what keeps him going, people are on to this – they see over and over how unfairly he is treated by the media and he keeps pointing it out. Just another example.

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    • catmom says:

      I like his take on it.

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      • Andrew E. says:

        Okay but Scott Adams is saying the Trump most likely has changed his position substantively. Which is why I never much wanted to take him seriously because he has maintained for the last year that Trump would in fact soften (ie. change) on immigration eventually.

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        • Sentient says:

          Trump has never been as unbending on deportations as some people thought. They just heard what they wanted to hear. If Trump had wanted to say “I will deport every single illegal” he would have said it. Instead, he said “the good ones can come back on an expedited basis”. His son, Don, mentioned “touch back”. A change in nuance had to come. Adams was right to see that. You can’t win the presidency by promising to take a college student who was brought to the US at age one and send them back to a country they don’t remember and in some cases don’t even speak the language of. You just can’t win that way, no matter how much we might wish you could.

          Even the LORD was willing to soften up if ten good men could be found in Nineveh.

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    • sundance says:

      Adams is right on most of that. Right now there are two types of Trump supporters:

      Type #1 is saying Trump hasn’t changed his position. When if fact he has, as Adams states clearly (accepting the obvious).

      Type #2 is saying Trump has changed his position, and is open to debating the merits on whether it’s a good thing or a bad thing.

      This thread is essentially confirmation of what Adams predicted would happen with Trump supporters. The aspects of Dems and Media has yet to play out. .

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      • jackmcg says:

        When Adams says this will be a good thing, he is projecting. He likes it because he’s afraid of appearing racist (and is writing under his own name in California).

        But for every one person who likes this pivot, two existing Trump supporters will be turned off.

        Its a terrible move. We need to be loud so Trump understands that.

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      • Sentient says:

        Count me in camp #1. A lot of people just misunderstood Trump’s position. If Adams thinks Trump’s policy was “permanently deport every last one of them”, then Adams wasn’t listening carefully enough.

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        • majorstar says:

          This is accurate. Trump has stated nothing that wasn’t already part of his position on immigration originally. And for the record, rolling back illegal immigration is my no. 1 issue. People who don’t see this just heard what they wanted to hear. As a lawyer I’m very keen on the operative effect of terminology and what Trump stated was that deportations would comport with the law; and that they would be “humane”. These were his exact terms. Now you tell me where recent statements have departed from this terminology.

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      • Trumped says:

        The overall change he has done, including the “apology” and even the TV conway babbling, is changing his favorability for some people.
        I get a lot of people opening up in my social media channels that were not before.
        The people outright revolting right now in most cases wont abandon him is his hope.

        Also its not like he changed a lot. It just seems so right now and I think that is what he wanted to get more people onto the Trump Train to ensure victory.

        While we still have the monster vote we shouldn’t be to complacent that it is all done already and be aware of the weakness he had in the primary.
        (Suburbia http://edition.cnn.com/election/primaries/states/va/)

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      • Jenny R. says:

        Count me as Type 3 then.

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      • angryduc says:

        The problem with this discussion is that is developed to avoid talking about the massive otherways immigration policy is being used to drive down US wages and culture. ie HB-1 visas, and refugee balkanized encampments across the US. The ladder is being stolen from Americans and given to foreigners. Hillary’s 550% increase in refugees. Cruz’s 500% increase in HB-1 visa’s in an increasingly smaller job market.

        Job preference based off the color of a persons skin or country of origin. Shipping Africans here because the Clinton foundation is selling off their homeland to corporate interests. etc It all equals corporate slave trading and the wacked out ideas of a one world government with winners and losers. I hope he boots KAC and listens to Coulter.

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  10. JinNE says:

    Again, everyone needs to read https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/immigration-reform and take a valium. There have been NO CHANGES! There never were and never will be deportation specifics because the law already spells out how and when it gets done. Trump’s entire immigration policy is really just to enforce existing laws on the books, that’s all. It only seems unique and extreme to some because recent administrations (Dem and GOP) have ignored immigration laws. Even the wall is existing law and has been mostly funded by congress but never built.

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    • Citizen Kane says:

      You do know that DJT recently made substantial (improved) changes to the economic plan he posted on the web site.

      The fact that it is posted on the web site doesn’t mean Trump won’t change things up when he gives the policy statement. A policy statement that has been dealayed for whatever reasons.

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      • Bull Durham says:

        Refinement is not change.

        His initial policy statements are like artist renderings.
        Now he has some architectural drawings. More exact, yet not even a CAD model.

        Concern kills.

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    • Sentient says:

      I think you’ve heard what you wanted to hear. It says “enforce the law”. It doesn’t say “enforce existing law”. “Mandatory return of criminal aliens” implies that some “non-criminal aliens” won’t have to return. If Trump had intended all aliens to be understood to be inherent criminals, he wouldn’t have used the adjective “criminal”.

      If building a giant wall, deporting criminals, not allowing a pathway to citizenship and granting some sort of conditional regularization – an amnesty of sorts – isn’t good enough, well then we’re hosed because that’s as good as we can in these United States, folks. Just stay home on November 8th and paint a welcome sign for your new Syrian neighbors.

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    • Every media can “create” an event. I just saw one in several posts to this thread. Remember Donald Trump is a political Spartacus and so are We.

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  11. ezpz says:

    About that “deportation force” thingy – – two things:

    First, they were not Trump’s words. He was doing a town hall with Bad Joke & Mika, and THEY (I think Mika) uttered the words in question form. He then repeated them.

    Second, and more importantly – – we already HAVE a deportation force!! It’s called ICE.
    And contrary to Kellyanne Conway’s assertions and implications to the contrary, they WOULD be deporting if Obama didn’t tie their hands!

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    • highdezertgator says:

      Definitions matter: “removal” and “returns”
      “One problem is the continued use of “deportation” in virtually all media reporting. In actuality, that category has been obsolete in immigration law since 1996. Prior to 1996, immigration law distinguished between immigrants who were “excluded,” or stopped and prevented from entering U.S. territory, and those who were “deported,” or expelled from the United States after they had made their way into U.S. territory. After 1996, both exclusion and deportation were rolled into one procedure called “removal.” At that point, the term “deportation” no longer had any meaning within the official immigration statistics. Its continued use in media reports is part of the confusion.

      DHS’s data, (Table 39: Aliens Removed and Returned, FY 1892-2012) his cumulative numbers since taking office show Obama has removed a total of 1,974,688 people and returned 1,609,055 others. There have been more returns than removals only in FY 2009 and 2010. Moreover, comparing across administrations is not wise given the changes in law and counting procedures.

      https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2014/04/21/lies-damned-lies-and-obamas-deportation-statistics/

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      • ezpz says:

        I agree, highdezertgator, that definitions are important.
        And thank you for the detailed info and stats.

        Indeed, the word “deport” has been conveniently redefined and misused according to one’s stance. The left can say (and Kellyanne can agree, ugh) that Obama is the deporter in chief, and the right can accurately say that he’s flouting the laws on the books.

        Win/win for the elite political class.
        Lose/lose for everyone else.

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  12. Truthfilter says:

    http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/271187-new-york-times-refusing-to-release-off-the-record-tape-of-trump-on

    Is it a coincidence that Trump’s stance on immigration is being questioned yet again by the MSM? I keep thinking about this “0ff the record” tape that was discussed months ago. Cruz demanded that it be released by the NYT. Kellyanne is/was a Cruzbot at that time. And we all know that the NYT has openly admitted that they are trying to destroy Trump.

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  13. Given the media has a history of trying to cause disunity in the Trump campaign’s head people, with Corey and Manafort to get them axed.

    I fail to see the reason why were doing it here.

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    • Truthfilter says:

      We need to discuss it to stay ahead of it and to shed light on it. I have no doubt that some prominent media people and Trump advisors come to the Treehouse and read here.

      Information is power. If we are mentally alert to the possible shenanigans that take place behind the scenes, the less influential those shenanigans will be, if they even come to pass at all. Corruption is harder to pull off when too many eyes are watching, waiting, and looking for it.

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    • three by one says:

      I see a healthy discussion rather than disunity.

      I also see a couple CTR trolls (not you) trying to stir the pot and consistently introducing doubt. Some new, some revealing themselves.

      KAC is a hired PR gun. Trump knows this. Her recent gigs were with other camps. This is classic DC, where people have no personal attachment to their job. She and her husband are lawyers. They generate more business and income by winning.

      I’d put this team adjustment down to an analysis of where Hillary was hitting, and realigning to block it.

      Changing up formations is designed to confuse the opposition. As we (well, me anyway) are outsiders, we are also in the position of trying to read the changes. I’m ok with that. I hope Team Clinton is confused and scrambling how to support their crooked, SICK candidate. If we take away or mute their key attack points, all they can offer is SICK Hillary hollering the same empty cr@p she’s been spouting since day 1. She’s a horrible speaker anyway, and this will nuke her talking points for the upcoming debates.

      These debates will be very highly watched, despite being slotted against NFL games (someone remind me who is playing, I don’t think it was top draw teams)

      So if Kellyanne, an experienced hired gun, has correctly identified Hillary’s probable attack points and is working to deny them, she’s doing her job. I am hoping that Mercer, Analytica and whoever else are also reading the debate tea leaves correctly.

      I do not see an exodus of support. It’s Trump or Hillary. You gonna vote Hillary or stay home? Not when your country is at stake.

      I do see value in putting the new team on notice that we are not passively accepting everything that is trotted out. Quite the contrary.

      We are very actively involved supporting Mr. Trump.

      Any attempts to internally damage this campaign may result in unintended consequences.

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  14. Niagara Frontier says:

    I’m going to be optimistic and believe that the practices of governing are simply setting in, and Trump is preparing us for some realities AFTER he is elected.

    The immigration courts already have a backlog of 375,500 cases and only 243 immigration nationwide to adjudicate them. And even then, the immigration judges hearing cases too often overturn the DHS decision to deport the illegals — even the criminals among them. Those judges need to be either retrained or replaced.

    I doubt anyone wants to immediately add hundreds or thousands of employees to an already bloated DHS. It’s going to take time to retool, redeploy, retrain or fire (if necessary) what’s there. Then hire and train. Again, more time.

    For now that’s too many weeds leading up to the election. The media, the GOPe and all the other enemies want him in the weeds.

    In the meantime I think the more simply it can be explained, the better off we will all be:

    Enforce existing laws including deportations with increased vigor.
    Build a wall.
    Deport the criminals first and fast.
    Disrupt funding to sanctuary cities.

    And TBH I think that’s what I heard Trump say last night.

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    • Its 5 O'Clock Somewhere says:

      DONT EMPLOY THEM!!!!! Make it a crime to hire them…most of them will leave.

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    • Zelda says:

      That’s what i heard as well. Trump wants them out for sure but first you need to begin enforcing the laws. Trump himself cannot Obama this and issue an executive order. Kelly can’t give red meat to the press either so has to say stuff like “to be determined” otherwise CNN would twist her words no matter what she says. There is also the problem of the anchor baby families and what to do with them without turning their deportation into a media circus and really bad optics. It’s a mess, folks. Let’s get Trump in, enforce e-verify, start taking their money that they send back home, end welfare benefits, end sanctuary cities and other measures that will make it so difficult for them to survive here that they will have not choice but to return home. If we end anchor babies that would solve many future problems. We see all these Central American Indians (that is really what they are) with kids in tow littering the landscape while some burka-ed woman walks by. This is not American, folks.

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    • rubyyarn says:

      I am guessing…and hoping…that Trump plans to cut a lot of the bloat out of DC. There will be no lack of employees to move into the DHS if necessary. Just take them from the EPA and IRS…

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  15. Howie says:

    The executive branch has certain powers according to the constitution.
    In regard to immigration law, Congress, under the Plenary Power Doctrine, has the power to make immigration policy subject to modest judicial oversight.[1] The Executive Branch is charged with enforcing the immigration laws passed by Congress. The doctrine is based on the concept that immigration is a question of national sovereignty, relating to a nation’s right to define its own borders.
    I doubt Trump can do anything more than actually enforce the laws on the books and ask Congress to make better laws. Actual enforcement by the new heads of the various agencies will be the key. He can terminate the DACA program instituted by the Obama/Bush DHS for one thing.

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  16. Hope for America says:

    Savage, yesterday said the RNC sent in Sean Spicer, advisor to Romney has been sent in to shape Trumps mssg also. ROMNEY ADVISOR!! Trump needs no one. He is best on his own.
    Michelle Bachman also sent to help on foreign policy. IMO Sessions IS the best.
    Mr. Trump is great without these misfits who think they are so smart. Where have these SMART#@$& been for the past 8 years? They should have served up their smart mssg long time ago. NOW, NOW THEY ARE SMART?!?
    Trump doesn’t need them.
    How can we keep people on board if all these misfits keep coming to derail Trumps Train?
    The media and Hillary keep confusing the country.
    Savage podcast for august 23 available now to hear how upset he is.

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  17. aur1640 says:

    My choice is still clear, I will take 8 years of Trump over 1 day of the old decrepit hag!!

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  18. Andrew E. says:

    There are maybe 40-50 million illegals in the country, most of whom are decent people I’m sure. I say we let the best 1-2 million stay (after they leave like everyone else and come back through an expedited process).

    Regardless, Trump is going to have to tell a lot of lawyers and judges to go pound sand in order to really enforce these deportation laws. And the media will fight tooth and nail the entire way. Serious question, is Trump willing to do this???

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    • freddy says:

      Your right and when you hear someone say 11 million illegals you know they are not current. No real understanding of the problem. If you expect to have Social security or health care when your 65 then illegal immigration has to stop yesterday…..Our politicians have invited these people in and gave them welfare so deporting the families is impossible. We have to live with them now. They won’t go back to El Salvador and the media would have a field day with that…..

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      • JeremyR says:

        Some of the folks here illegally are in the system paying taxes. They have fake green cards, but come tax time, they cannot get a dime back. They pay in to social security and they will not get one dime of it. The ones working under the table are the problem and the ones not working are a Yuge problem.

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      • Somebody says:

        What if on a foreign policy level we addressed the Latin American countries where so many came from? Hold some feet to the fire with our foreign aid $. Maybe join forces to stamp out the cartels similar to Columbia. I bet if conditions were better AND we enforced employer laws many would leave on their own.

        Nobody ever really makes those connections, maybe team Trump could try. Trump certainly tried to address teaching hatred in Muslim countries in his AIPAC speech.

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      • dalethorn says:

        Media? Deport them too.

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    • Bull Durham says:

      They can stay in your neighborhood.

      The reality is you are forgiving felons because they are nice.
      We hunt down felons for decades and imprison them.
      I’m not for turning felonies into infractions.

      I am for fair market value for their assets they have to leave behind.
      I am for paying them a stipend to leave so they can resettle.
      I am for letting the “decent people” to get at the end of the line to return legally.
      I am for compassion. But they are felons.

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      • Andrew E. says:

        Bull, I’ll take that for sure. I was suggesting the most I’d be willing to compromise on since we seem to be in the minority even here at the conservative treehouse. Do you think your position is Trump’s? I hope so.

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    • JeremyR says:

      My wife came here illegally. As part of the process for becoming a citizen, she will have to return to Honduras. It is a necessary part of the process. There, they will verify that she is indeed a citizen of Honduras, and once it is confirmed that she is not a felon, she will return.
      Our system right now allows for the elite from foreign countries to come here. For the hard working people who would become middle class, there is no path into the United States, and they are the folks we want, not snobbish elitists who want to be upper crust.
      While it is true we have many unemployed here, most of them are unemployed for a reason. They are people who are lazy, incompetent, dishonest, or worse whom no business wants in the door even if it is to use the rest room. What we need to do with them is sever the umbilical cord, no gov benefits what so ever.
      Once our border is secure(r) we need to begin processing the illegals who are here. If they have a felony or other serious mark, multiple misdemeanors, send them back. If they return, castrate them and send them back again.
      If they do not have a job, send them back. Bill their native land for any medical expenses they incurred. Children? If they were born here to two illegal parents, they were not born under the law but in violation of it, send them back and void the birth certificate.
      :Last, the ones who have jobs. Divide them into two groups, those who eventually want to return home, and those who want to become American citizens. Put each group on to the path toward their desired goal and put them to work Making America Great Again.

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      • Andrew E. says:

        Look, I’ll just come out and say it. I don’t think America has much of a long term future unless we somehow get back to the demographics that existed pre-1965. So not only do I want to enforce the immigration laws strictly, I want legal immigration reduced significantly and immigration favored toward anglo and european countries to the extent we have any.

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        • Just Sayin' says:

          if i had a working like button, I’d like this

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        • dalethorn says:

          Yes. In fact, we should only allow changes to our quotas to the extent that the nations these immigrants come from permit equivalent changes to their immigration and their cultures. Don’t hold your breath expecting that any Muslims, Asians, Indians etc. are going to allow a bunch of immigrants to come into their countries and have a significant influence to change those cultures.

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        • highdezertgator says:

          (quotas) limit is 675,000 permanent immigrants annual
          U.S. immigration law is very complex, and there is much confusion as to how it works. The Immigration and Naturalization Act (INA), the body of law governing current immigration policy, provides for an annual worldwide limit of 675,000 permanent immigrants, with certain exceptions for close family members.
          https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/how-united-states-immigration-system-works

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        • soozword says:

          Precisely, Andrew — “demograghy is destiny”. It seems those who are happy with just a wall are clueless to the speed and magnitude of the manmade demographic tsunami that is largely the result of extreme LEGAL immigration. Assimilation is pretty much a thing of our past mostly due to such high, sustained flows for the past few decades. I think you get it that we should be shouting “It’s the demograghics, stupid!!!” when it comes to projecting and protecting our future (or likely lack thereof) — we should do everything possible to reverse course before it’s too late.

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        • Mike says:

          Yep. You just talked about the elephant in the middle of the room that no one will address. Everyone is too afraid of being called a “racist.”

          “Multiculturalism” will destroy the US absolutely.

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        • majorstar says:

          Yep. And the only way this even gets a hearing is via Trump. It sure isn’t going to happen via any other Republican, much less another current candidate for president.

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        • JeremyR says:

          Take a long hard look at modern Europe. Are you sure you want people like that here? Germany imported Turks because of a lack of people to fill menial labor jobs. The French are down to a 32 hour work week because people want the benefits of labor with out labor.
          Most of them have become super socialized. They are turning in to what the Soviet Union created, people who give little and demand every thing.
          I worked for many years in construction. Every year I would see the contractors hire a bunch of kids fresh out of school. Day one, they all show up. Noon, they go to lunch, and half of them don’t come back. BY the end of the week, maybe ten percent are still there.
          Some kids are hard workers. I give them a lot of credit for being that way. They were raised right. Others, not so much. One kid I know worked for a year up in North Dakota. Since returning home he has not worked even a day. Prior to going to ND, he worked for me. When he returned, I offered him a job. He never took me up on it.
          I agree that we need people who will assimilate to our culture. The ones who want to hang on to their old country values need to go back to their old country. It doesn’t matter to me if we are talking about muzzies, Latino’s or Europeans. If you come to “America” be a good American.

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      • foncag1 says:

        No, unemployed people are not unemployed because of laziness.

        Look at who works in fast food. It is teenagers and foreigners. It has a screening process with tests for certain personalities, and some people who would take those jobs are disqualified.

        Others need office jobs but can’t get them because of the application process.

        Others because of disabilities can’t work in the trades and have no other possibilities.

        Others are Millennials and veterans who can’t get hired even with good grades and evidence of leadership in the armed forces.

        I don’t think some people understand the job market. Americans want to work and get a job.

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      • foncag1 says:

        I apologize because I didn’t understand.

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  19. mpmp2015 says:

    Question is who in the Trump campaign suggested Conway will be a good campaign manager? Clearly this decision was not made in a vacuum and Trump didn’t consult more than a few trusted advisers before he made this decision. If Trump made this decision alone and went with his gut, then it is what it is. However, if he was steered the wrong way by other advisers to pick Conway, then that’s a different story and more of a problem than just messaging.

    Clearly Conway is GOPe and she strongly supported Cruz during the primaries, but one can say the same about Katrina Pierson who worked for Cruz’s senatorial campaign back in the day. Then Pence himself supported Cruz, albeit tepidly, during the primaries. Not sure what to make of it YET… There is SOME value having an experienced GOPe pollster in a GOP campaign, there’s a lot of data analytics that is required to hone messaging and push GOP turnout on Election day. The question is whether or not she is loyal or not. Time will tell.

    Given how the Trump campaign staff turnover has played out, certainly more changes can be expected, even if it is 76 days before Election Day.

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    • Somebody says:

      It is my understanding Trump has known Conway for years and she has worked for him before. Conway specializes in helping male republicans craft their message to appeal to women. I think that’s what you’re seeing, the difference being the short time line. If she had been on board all along the softened message would have been more subtle.

      I believe this is nothing more than wordsmithing, think estate tax vs death tax….that’s from team Luntz/Conway. Will it work to pull more ppl on the Trump train?? Is it too much too fast for his base??? Time will tell.

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  20. fleporeblog says:

    The last 10 days or so have been incredible for Trump. Since he started using the telotrompter, he has remained on point and has been issuing policy speeches and totally destroying HRC. The MSM has been having a difficult time finding something that he has said during a speech to stick on him. As a matter of fact, they having actually begun to air his rallies (free advertisement). At the same time, HRC has gone into complete hiding, phoned the damn governor of LA (while Trump and Pence were on the ground doing everything they could to shine a light on the situation) and is getting destroyed every single day about the foundation and her emails.

    The wall is going to get built. Last night he talked about Mexico benefiting through NAFTA by racking in 60+ billion dollars. Trump said by taking care of that, a portion of the money we would save would take care of the wall. Sanctuary cities will be stopped by cutting off federal funds. He has talked about hiring an additional 25,000 boarder patrol agents and ICE agents. Criminals will be jettisoned out of the country immediately. Refugees will never see the light of day ever again in our country. Extreme vetting means to me that no one is ever getting in.

    If we are honest with ourselves, dealing with the Dreamers and anchor children is a sticky subject. He will never allow them to receive amnesty. That will never be put on the table. He may allow them to request being legalized without any opportunity of becoming a citizen. He could use embassies and consulates to process folks to be legalized (not to become US citizens). This would ensure that they pay their taxes but would never allow them the possibility of voting. I live in NYC. There are many NYers that would never allow themselves to be dish washers. Georgia has a serious case of Americans that won’t pick peaches. Trump is absolutely aware of this.

    Folks I may be in the minority but this will truly kill the Democratic Party for many years to come. His push to African Americans and Hispanics will transform elections for 20 to 30 plus years if not longer. I am on board! This isn’t about me. If he can get minority folks to believe and deliver on those promises, the sky is truly the limit!

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    • Andrew E. says:

      Americans need to learn to be dishwashers and peach picker again.

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      • Bull Durham says:

        The jobs they take are big jobs in construction, logistics, transportation, manufacturing.
        You cannot hire a roofer, driveway, landscaper, tile setter, stonewall, firm and not get illegals working the job. Specialties are ignored in remodeling. They do framing, electric and plumbing, all in one. Inspectors don’t look for credentials.

        This is why we have such huge loss of small businesses and professionals in the trades

        The most fundamental jobs have been taken by illegals.

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      • Howie says:

        I was a Dishwasher and an Orange Picker in my teens, also a Bus Boy and an Ice Cream Maker and a Janitor. Jobs Americans can do and should do if able body, and do not tell me otherwise.

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      • amjean says:

        There are many who would do those jobs;
        high school and college aged kids for instance.
        They used to be called “part time jobs for
        entry level experience”.

        When I was 13 I lied about my age and detassled corn
        one summer for 65 cents per hour. Don’t tell me it can’t
        and won’t be done. Back in the day!!! Hot sun and
        messy bugs.

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    • Trumped says:

      Nice thoughtfull look at the bigger picture!

      Absolutely right on the dem party. Its like Trump is shuffling the cards again after they were set for 60 years.
      The dem party will go through a re definition the next 8 years.

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  21. Steve says:

    This is not good!
    My gut feeling isn’t the same!
    I don’t like writing this, but my confidence in DT just got
    knocked down a couple pegs.

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  22. n3angus says:

    This is coming to the USA if Hillary Clinton gets elected POTUS , because the Muslim Brotherhoods Insider aid to Clinton wants this country for themselves , and ISIS was created by the Insiders in our DoD !!!!! https://www.facebook.com/groups/175105516198463/permalink/293511281024552/?comment_id=293652361010444&notif_t=group_comment_reply&notif_id=1472045897637872

    Reality Check: Proof U.S. Government Wanted ISIS To Emerge In Syria https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1aDciHCejA

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  23. Travis McGee says:

    “You knew damn well I was a snake before you took me in”

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  24. clash108 says:

    I still don’t think she’s trying to undermine, but if she is, Sundance and others have exposed her with sunlight. No matter how subtle, it will be caught, and it has, if you’re in front of the camera. I think if you are trying to effectively undermine, you’ll do it behind the scenes. She’s giving mixed signals on immigration, sure, but that may be part of the plan–to show that Trump isn’t a leader that is going to come to hasty decisions like his enemies claim. Trump will ultimately stick with his plan with a few tweaks. Remember, he is coming out with a immigration plan soon.

    I think Trump brought her on board to soften his image for women, and demonstrate he is not the madman Clinton is showing in her ads. If she succeeds, it’ll just show how the Media and Clinton have overplayed their hand.

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  25. freddy says:

    Kellyanne…the name is just too cute and the disingenuous little baby doll voice is so disarming. It bugs the heck outa me. She says absolutely like every other word. But all that aside what jolted me was I heard Megyn say nice to have you Kellyanne tonite..I really like and respect her…. There it was…… the admission…. The fact she worked with Cruz means she has stains on her and she is a creature of the night. However a smart man can be two moves ahead of a person so obvious and be the one who pulls the strings not her……..Brutus can stand next to you if you know who he is…….or she…….

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  26. Father Thyme says:

    With respect, you’re starting to misread the tea leaves here SD, Trump was heading down the wrong path and it was Conway in part who redirected him. Let her work her magic to make Trump less scary to the average voter and trust Trump’s instincts to always surround himself with the best people.

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    • georgiafl says:

      What wrong path?

      Conway’s ‘magic’ hasn’t worked for any candidate yet. None of her clients have been elected so far.

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      • three by one says:

        I don’t have her client list, but Rubio and Cruz were outclassed completely. The PR manager can only do so much.

        Trump is by far the best candidate she has ever worked for. This is the campaign spot DC regulars would fight tooth and nail to land. She wins and the rest of her career is golden.

        I’d be a lot more concerned if a Jeff Roe or Rick Wilson got hired. There’s a huge difference between hired guns and human scum.

        I think we’ll all be watching KAC with heightened interest over the coming week.

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        • georgiafl says:

          I was wrong (not the 1st time) some did win:

          “After practicing law, Conway entered the polling business with Wirthlin Group, a GOP polling firm which worked for Ronald Reagan. She also worked for a period for Luntz Research Companies before founding her own firm, The Polling Company, in 1995. Among the political figures Conway has worked for are Congressman Jack Kemp; former Vice President Dan Quayle; Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich; Senator Fred Thompson; and Congressman (now Indiana Governor) Mike Pence.[2] She worked as the senior advisor to Newt Gingrich during his 2012 United States presidential election campaign.[3] In August 2015, she became the president of the Promise I Super-PAC which supported the 2016 presidential campaign of Ted Cruz and is part of a group of 4 super-PACs supporting Cruz. Its main funding was 11 million dollars from hedgefund manager Robert Mercer.[4]” (wikipedia)

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        • amjean says:

          I am concerned because she has been there all of,
          what, two weeks? Already she has had more than one
          gaffe as to Trump’s immigration policy. Most of us
          here are pretty smart and can read between the lines
          or the tea leaves, if you will. However, many do not
          pay close attention to the political scene. Many are
          against the massive migration, legal or illegal, that
          are ruining their schools, communities and our country.
          They have clung to Trump’s leg entirely on his firm
          immigration stance. Now, Conway has herself created
          doubt. They won’t vote for Hillary, however, if they
          feel betrayed, they won’t show up to vote at all.

          That is THE issue.

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  27. mikebrezzze says:

    I think you all forget a Trump defender , Ivanka will keep ms Conway in check, no doubt

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  28. searkreb says:

    I am all for law and order and I have not personally read all the existing immigration laws so I can’t comment on the details. However, where I live there are a number of domestic citizens walking the streets all hours of the day when they should be working. mainly white and black younger males. At 4:30 am many working men head out to work this includes all races including many hispanics. they are a paid well and work hard. they own vehicles and houses and have children in our schools. The hiring process in our area does not include an e-verify but new hires are all treated the same as far as pay rates and paper work. I am sure many of the Hispanics are here illegally, but they have all the proper documentation so what can you do? hire someone who will come to work on time and on a regular basis or scale down business to a smaller scale or go out of business by hiring and training someone who may last 2 weeks or 2 days.

    I want a wall and I want to put American to work. I would really like to take a class action lawsuit against the government by manufacturers for ruining the labor force.

    I guess my point is immigration laws need to be enforced along with welfare and unemployment reform. we have about a 20% success rate when hiring young white and black men. at this rate we are out of business. so what should we do when all the Hispanic labor is rounded up? I am not asking for thoughtless bs smart a** answers.
    there will be thousands of machines sitting empty and people out of business if welfare, unemployment benefits, disability benefits and vocational education is not addressed along with immigration!
    We work very hard, try very hard at additional expense to our business to obey all laws and pay lots of taxes so what should we do. it is a very complex issue, but is is the most important one we face today

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    • Andrew E. says:

      Seasonal work visas which are reduced in number each year as more Americans are able to fill the jobs.

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      • foncag1 says:

        I disagree. The application process at some of these places is bad enough that when Americans want jobs people can’t get them, and we don’t need visas, we need a good work ethic and for immigrants to stop getting fast food positions.

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    • foncag1 says:

      Staffing agencies are part of the problem. If we had good application processes and companies that would start training programs, more people would be working, but companies and staffing agencies want perfect matches

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  29. Last night on Hannity, Trump said we are going to enforce existing laws strongly. When Hannity said what about the 11 million already here Trump said what about the people who have been waiting in line for years and it is fair to them to let the 11 million to jump ahead of those waiting already. Trump again said we are going to enforce the existing laws strongly. Everyone is focusing on the softening statement but are ignoring everything else Trump stated last night.

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    • Eric Kennedy says:

      Exactly.

      Trump is no dummy. Haven’t we learned that by now? When he started running, I thought he was a loose cannon.

      But everything he does seems to have been planned out and have a deeper purpose. In other words, there is a method to his madness. Whether it be what Scott Adams says (blog post above) or creating tension/interest in his upcoming immigration speech, we are not helping the campaign with this hand-wringing.

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    • Eric Kennedy says:

      And I might ad that Roger Stone, who never really trusted Corey Lewandowski, has said Conway was a very good hire. And Lewandowski’s recent anti-Manafort tweets seem to suggest the Stone was right about Corey.

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    • amjean says:

      Actually, most of us are focusing on Kelly Anne Conway,
      Trump’s new campaign manager, and her failures in
      television interviews re Trump’s immigration policy.

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  30. As the pundits have pointed out, the math operation required at this point in the campaign is “addition” not “subtraction”. Trump is adjusting his “tone” to act less scary, to attract borderline whites and some percentage of minorities. He showcases the moms of the victims to show his empathy. I’m more curious about what Bannon’s doing for Trump than Conway. I suspect Conway is a throw-in that came along with somebody’s (Mercer’s) financial support.

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  31. mark4trump says:

    Thanks for the warning Sundance — I am sure the Trump campaign will get the message and treat her like a cashier skimming money out of the cash register. She will get caught because you have tipped them off.

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  32. Just Sayin' says:

    Good post Sundance. People in my sphere have noticed this as well.

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  33. Blade says:

    Sundance,

    Long before there was a FoxNews in the Bush41/Clinton era and before she was a pollster, she was just Kellyanne Fitzpatrick One of the young blonde “conservative” women who kept up the fight on whatever outlets that existed. Mostly C-SPAN caller shows since there was nothing else. As Rush had very few guests, she would not be there. But she did get airtime on Bob Grant and Hannity ( back when he was just a local AM radio host up here and not yet national ).

    If C-SPAN has older archives, search for her under her maiden name. Personally I don’t remember her obvious GOPe tendencies back then, but the battlefield was quite different. In a sense, we were all GOPe and didn’t even know it. If she is a plant, it is probably just as you say – battered conservative syndrome. Kind of like Stockholm syndrome, as Rush would say, conditioned and brainwashed.

    I suspect you will find her pontificating about then-current issues such as the Clarence Thomas battle, the Bush41/Clinton NAFTA, and the Perot candidacy among others.

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  34. jupitercomm says:

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  35. ALEX69 says:

    Enforce the law and build the wall. I have been thinking about the immigration judge problem from the beginning. With judges like Roberts on the Supreme Court etc. it is the most frustrating thing. It doesn’t help the republicans allowed Oboma to load up the courts with people who are just activists….Ryan and McConnel etc. make me sick.

    LITTLE BITES.

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  36. I would suggest Trump back Numbers USA’s ’10 Steps’ on Enforcement (https://www.numbersusa.com/news/nafbpo-endorses-numbersusas-10-steps)

    1) Make E-Verify mandatory for all U.S. employers to eliminate the jobs magnet.

    2) Complete the Congressionally-mandated biometric entry/exit system to track non-immigrant visitors to the U.S.

    3) End the practice of birthright citizenship for illegal aliens and foreign visitors.

    4) Require state and local law enforcement to report affirmatively all non-citizens in custody to ICE, make ICE detainers mandatory, and require ICE to pick up and remove deportable aliens.

    5) Expand expedited removal to include all illegal aliens with criminal convictions.

    6) End catch-and-release of illegal aliens by requiring that they be detained until removal.

    7) Deny immigrant and nonimmigrant visas to nations that refuse to repatriate their citizens.

    8) Reform the judicial process in immigration courts, including restricting relief from removal, to expedite the process and reduce the backlog of cases.

    9) Restrict asylum to the internationally recognized definition of those who are unable to be returned to the home country due to a well-founded fear of (state) persecution due to race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion.

    10) Allow Border Patrol access to all federal lands.

    In addition, any person who has stolen a social security number, or any employer that has knowingly accepted a stolen social security number should be prosecuted. Force the Social Security Administration to supply law enforcement with all duplicate social security numbers collected through payroll taxes and prosecute the perpetrators.

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  37. eric says:

    I’m With Him!!!!!

    STAY STRONG!!!
    STAY TOGETHER!!!
    STAY UNITED!!!

    NOVEMBER IS COMING

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  38. p'odwats says:

    College football starts next Saturday and the NFL the following week. We’re all getting burned out with the election. Take some time off, watch some football, and relax and get ready for the debates starting in late September. That to me will be the true indicator of where this election is headed. I expect Trump to have his foot on the gas for all three debates and not pull a Romney on us. Hillary will be put on the defensive from the first debate to the last. All this hand wringing from everyone is getting tiring. It’s Trump or the country goes bust! That’s what it comes down to now.

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  39. NJF says:

    Idk having thought about this I have to ask, did she make a few missteps? Is she still? I will hope to believe people don’t board the train unless they believe in his campaign. Naive maybe. Yet she has the face that Bannon doesnt with MSM talking coverage. Lol Rachel Madcow!.

    When everyone tried to bash the Bannon hire his surrogates brought up the well respected insider, Kellyann. i see her as the MSM panelist, but Bannon & Trump are the ones making the decisions. This also draws attention to his upcoming speech.

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  40. JinNE says:

    Given the circular firing squad that has erupted on CTH today many may not have noticed that the MSM is actually reporting extensively today on Hillary’s pay-for-play scandal involving the Clinton Foundation. Ironic isn’t it?

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  41. Bull Durham says:

    What is Bannon’s position on immigration?

    What is Mercer’s position on immigration?

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  42. sundance says:

    Based on the response from the Trump campaign it appears they did have discussion on the mathematical debate of the immigration policy shift.

    Team Conway wants to increase support from Latinos and minorities to beat Clinton. In essence gain about 15% of approximately 20 million voters.

    It would appear Trump is buying her sales pitch, and chasing the Stuart Stevens/Mitt Romney approach circa 2012..

    I believe that’s fundamentally flawed. I have never hidden my view on that, and that’s why Stuart Stevens hates CTH with a passion.

    Would you rather have 78% of 100 million (me), or 90% of 69 million (Conway)..

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    • Andrew E. says:

      Very disappointing if true. People will see that Trump is still clearly the better choice but enthusiasm will go way down.

      I’m sorry, but Latinos are not my people the same way the white working class are my people.

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      • Howie says:

        Trump can do just as much to solve the problem as Obama has done to cause it. No more, no less. And that is a lot. I do not think there is any problem with legal Latino people. Just the illegal. Legal Latinos should also be favorable to stopping the illegals.

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        • Andrew E. says:

          All I’m saying is politics, ultimately, is tribal. I’m just acknowledging my tribe because I know Latinos acknowledge theirs.

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      • ezpz says:

        Andrew E – Latinos may not be your people, but they’re also not a monolithic group.
        There’s a huge difference between those who have entered into the country legally and have done everything right, and those who jump fences or overstay their visas.

        I know several Hispanics who are here legally who do NOT align themselves with “their people” who have jumped in front of the line and are a burden to an already overwhelmed social welfare system.

        The first group – the ones here legally – are OUR people, regardless of ethnicity.

        It’s a very big mistake, and actually even bigoted, to lump all Latinos in one category. Or all African Americans. Or any other ethnic, racial, religious group.

        We are all individual parts of the whole, and

        the whole is greater than the sum of its parts.

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        • Andrew E. says:

          Yes, I’m quite familiar with these modern concepts.

          I’m also familiar with the Founder’s view written into the Preamble: “…secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity.”

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      • Keln says:

        Americans are my people. I guess I just don’t personally look at people through the lens of ethnicity or race. But then I grew up a military brat around kids of all races.

        Racial identity politics are a losing strategy. For the Republicans it never works at all. For the Democrats, the eventual backlash will be hard to recover from when the “labels” they’ve pandered to for decades figure out that their situation will never get better by continuing to vote Democrat.

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        • soozword says:

          I basically agree with you Keln, but I also know a sizeable portion of immigrants today can be quite racist or bigoted towards Americans without provocation.. That may be due to traditional views going back centuries and then amplified by their media sources (funded by the likes of Soros, LaRaza, CAIR, etc.). Then there is the whole issue of Sharia. So while we should try our best not to lump some groups into negative stereotypes we should at least be able to boldly call out their bigotry toeards us when warranted by specific circumstances.

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    • jackmcg says:

      Part of the “”calculation”” is the Conways think you get more White Guilt vote by pandering to minorities. Ridiculous and proven to fail, because for every one White Guilt vote you get, you push out two solid immigration patriots. This calculation is why Romney lost while crushing it with college educated whites.

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    • Trumped says:

      BOTH! (and I think that is what Trump aims at)

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    • mdt123 says:

      The way I see it, the core Trump voters will not move regardless of whatever ‘softerning’ happens in the messaging to widen the base. The core has NOWHERE to go, the Dems positions are so extreme that Trump ‘softening’ is still like 160 degrees away (instead of the full 180 degrees). In fact, no matter how much ‘softening’ is done, the Dems will still call him extreme but perhaps some indie voters may feel safe coming to Trump.

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    • DaveNYviii says:

      I do not know the details with regards to the numbers but part the argument should include the future. The hispanic vote pie will grow over time and if you don’t start biting into it now they could wind up going 90% dem like the blacks. Or 70% or whatever. It’s YUGE risk making this play but with YUGE risks come YUGE rewards

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  43. Duke Taber says:

    With over 600 comments on this issue, obviously a lot of people have strong opinions about KC. What I am about to say probably has already been said but here goes anyways. I do not believe for an instance that KC’s comment/s were accidental. I don’t think most of you think so either. So the question is whether or not they were intentional for profitable design or nefarious design. The article has landed on the side of nefarious design. That is understandable considering the clients KC has represented in the past. I couldn’t stand “wolf in sheep’s clothing” Cruz.

    However, I just don’t see this as something of nefarious design. If it was, the day that she started the narrative, it would have been silenced by Mr. Trump. He has had no problem clarifying things that have been misspoken before. However not only has he not silenced this, but he has himself changed how he presents himself on the issue. And this is the real purpose I believe for this narrative.

    On O’Reilly BO tried to paint him as supporting rounding up illegal immigrants and placing them in detention centers. Trump called him on it. He never said that. On Hannity last night he said that he doesn’t want to cause anyone personal pain in reference to illegal immigrants who have families here.

    In both of those interviews, there has been one constant. The support for current immigration laws. What you are seeing is the removal of the narrative that Trump is the evil villain sitting high upon his golden Trump Tower looking down upon the poor illegal immigrant with racist eyes and plotting evil against them. This is also exemplified in his “humble Trump” speech and his outreach to the black community. All three of these things humanize Trump and remove the ability to demonize him.

    It has become apparent at least to me, that the Trump campaign has decided that Mr. Trump needs to come across as more human and is wrestling with the human elements of decision making. I don’t believe he ever lacked humanity but I know that it took research to find examples of it demonstrated. Most people are too lazy to research so most do not know that side of him.

    Tie this with his visit to the border, his town hall with Hannity last night highlighting the victims of crime by illegal aliens, including immigrants who came legally, the upcoming speech on immigration and the mantra of enforcing current immigration laws, and you see the design. In my opinion it is a profitable design. All the media will have to cover the speech because they have been covering this so-called change as news.

    I believe that the campaign has made this choice to change the vernacular. No longer is it about deportation even though deportations will happen. It is about enforcing what others deemed was proper immigration law. If they do not like deportations, then talk to those that made the law. What they will not be able to do is claim this is Trump’s idea. Just like they are no longer able to claim that Trump does not care about Americans of African descent. It forces a different narrative. And that is what KC and Stephen Bannon were hired to do.

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    • Eric Kennedy says:

      The best post on this thread.

      Liked by 9 people

    • jupitercomm says:

      One of the original “kill-shots” the Clinton camp had lined up in their oppo (this was long before Chialdini joined) was “Trump is your evil landlord coming to evict you”

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      • Eric Kennedy says:

        The most effective ad she ran was in either Arizona or Nevada… the one where the little girl was crying that she was going to be deported and Hillary saying, “I won’t let that happen to you.”

        Whether people want to accept it or not, there is going to be a massive sympathy war coming. On our side, it’s the victims of illegals (we saw that last night on Hannity) and on their side, it’s the Gestapo coming to round up little girls and toss them into the Mexican desert.

        Americans are notorious suckers for the sob story.

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    • Scott says:

      Well said. Much more clear, truthful, and simple than scorpion talk.

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    • I agree totally. I received texts this morning from the constantly whining contingent of the evangelical friends and family that didn’t like Trump’s tone. They love Kelly Anne and the new “Trump”. This is what was needed to get the Republican holdouts and the Moderate dems on board. I am all in for what they are doing. It is working.

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      • Trumped says:

        SAME HERE!
        My social media channels changed a lot the last week.
        So many suburban “conservatives” will come around now. IMO planned all along by Trump. They got baited.

        When we talk about the monster vote of the primary extrapolated then we have to remember that not all was fine.. A huge problem with Suburbia in almost every state:
        http://edition.cnn.com/election/primaries/states/va/

        Vulgarians + Suburbia and some parts of the inner city = landslide guarenteed.

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        • Agreed! Mr. Trump is not really ‘moderating’ his ‘tone.’ He’s actually speaking with more pragmatism. As the campaign evolves I expect Trump to start saying something like this: “We need to start by securing the border; stopping the flood of illegals and drugs FIRST.” He’ll follow that up with “Let’s get the violent criminals out of our country first. We can deal with the rest in a gradual, humane way.”

          This will play strongly to the broad middle of American politics; the people who might vote Hillary! as the first female POTUS, blue collar traditional Dem voters.

          It’s smart. VERY smart. And if Trump accomplishes just these 2 things he’l have done more than the past 6 Presidents combined.

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    • Howie says:

      Once in office he does not have to sign whatever the crooked Uniparty cooks up. If he wins there will be a rush to pass crap before he takes office. In the end it is up to the voters. If America wants to commit Clintoncide nothing can stop her. November 8 is Doomsday…either for us, or them. Better them.

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    • George says:

      Common sense always settles my nerves.
      Thank you

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    • dalethorn says:

      I second the “best post” comment.

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    • tellthetruth2016 says:

      To add to the comment from Duke, TRUMP is also bringing home that the Immigration laws are already there but, Just have NOT been enforced….. The wall, overstaying visas, anchor babies, sanctuary cities, housing criminals in our prisons, and coming intovthe country illegally. …….. These laws alone are already there……… TRUMP keeps saying ” enforce existing laws”, So, this is NOT TRUMP changing his position. ….

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    • grumpy70 says:

      Why Kellyanne doesn’t say the laws will be enforced? She looks hesitant and gives the impression that Trump has changed his position.

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    • Wend says:

      Beautiful post, thank you. Makes sense to me.

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  44. Chuck says:

    Build the wall, penalize and outlaw sanctuary cities, deport all criminals immediately. Cut off all welfare support to persons not eligible. I’d imagine there would millions leaving right soon.

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    • soozword says:

      Add: mandatory e-verify for all existing employees as well as new hires, enforce penalties on ID theft, visa entry/exit system, and end birthright citizenship (legal arguments already formulated against the false 14th Amendment interpretation, legislation already drafted).

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    • Wend says:

      Pretty much what he said on the Hannity town hall. There’s a lot can be done within the existing laws.

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  45. Paul Killinger says:

    Ms Conway came to the Trump campaign as the result of her previous connection to Robert Mercer. In other words, she had shown talent and was available.

    Donald simply needs to keep her on a short leash, which is a skill he has acquired in working on large projects with multiple people.

    This does highlight one other issue though. Finding enough genuine Reformers to run an operation as large as our Federal Govt will be a difficult challenge for President Trump, I can assure you.

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  46. Keln says:

    After mulling over this last night, reading Sundance’s article above, and many of the comments, I am not overly concerned. Here’s why:

    • Many have stated that immigration is the issue for the vast majority of Trump’s supporters. I don’t agree. There are several key issues that attract different segments of his support. Immigration is definitely one of the big ones, as are trade and reducing taxation/regulation. All of his stances connect in a broader Economic and National Security platform.

    But his greater support are all united on one thing, and it isn’t an “issue” per se. They (we) see Trump as the existential threat to the political-corporate-media elite apparatus currently holding power in this country that should belong to the People. This singular factor transcends any one issue, and is something the media cannot break, because they are already viewed as part of the apparatus itself.

    • Nothing particularly damaging has been said yet by Conway. She has merely sown confusion. Regardless of if Sundance is right that she is an enemy to Trump (and I suspect that is correct), Trump is still in control and has the ultimate ability to straighten out anything she may try in an attempt to damage him and his campaign. He also has the ability to keep her out of the limelight where she can’t do much damage.

    • Due to the confusion apparent in many minds over this, there will be an enormous interest in Trump’s upcoming immigration policy speech. This may be by design, or it may be an unintended result of Conway’s shenanigans. Either way, it will get a lot of views, and that is always good for Mr. Trump.

    • Many are suggesting that this will somehow demoralize the majority of Trump supporters. I disagree. As I said above, most of his support is not based on an issue per se. But the bigger factor is that much of that base does not actively pay attention to every single thing happening in the campaign, nor what is reported in the news about it. The media itself has caused this, losing all vestiges of trust over the past year or so with respect to Trump. Every attempt they make at this point to hurt Trump and spin things concerning him is pretty much ignored by most people supporting him. Those who do listen to it simply get upset, but don’t really budge in their support.

    The media have gone too far over the top in their constant attacks on Trump and have lost their ability to drive that wedge between him and his supporters. They are mere gnats in the greater scheme of things, by their own doing.

    • Many are suggesting that Trump made a mistake or that he doesn’t know that she might be a liability. That may be. Or it might not. He has self-admitted that he is too trusting sometimes. However, he is also very intelligent and cunning. It is difficult to discern whether he is setting someone up or using them for his own plan, or if no such plan exists. As the man says, he likes to be unpredictable. He certainly is that. He also knows how to respond to changing situations (a critical ability in deal making), and even if he was unaware of a possible betrayal, I believe he will be able to handle it well. I have no evidence to doubt him in this, as he doesn’t have a history of bad judgment.

    • Some have asserted that Trump cannot fire her, that the optics would be bad, and that the media would hammer him over it. I disagree. For one thing, the media is going to hammer him regardless of what he does. But aside from that, he could fire her, but only in a way that makes it publicly clear (specifically coming straight from him in a press conference), that she had been discovered to be a traitor, that she is clearly tied to the party elites, and that the elite class will stop at nothing to prevent the People having a voice in the White House. And then hold her as an example of how low they will go to stop him.

    This would serve to strengthen the one thing that unites his supporters, as I explained above. The media will spin it as Trump having “poor judgment”, but his supporters will understand the nature of the deception being used by the political elite who are desperate to stop Trump, and by extension, to stop the People. As long as he gets that message directly to the people, in effect breaking through the media, then the optics will turn favorable. Supporters will see it as a direct attack by the elite on them.

    With all of that said (and I apologize for the length), the one thing that is concerning to me is who might be close to him that might have persuaded Trump to allow her, a former Cruz supporter, into his campaign in the first place? Who might be the hand placing the scorpion in the sheets?

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    • mimbler says:

      I respectfully disagree. Immigration is key for me and for all my friends who are voting Trump, some of who were lifelong democrats. If we do not secure our borders and enforce immigration laws, all else is a pipe dream because our country will no longer exist.

      It is not the soil that made America great, it is the people, and if the people are illegals from banana republics, that is what we become. The rest of the platform becomes irrelevant.
      Mike

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      • mdt123 says:

        Ok, so where would you and the other Trump voters go? Dems are 180 away from what you want – they want complete open borders. Even if Trump softened, he would be lot closer to what you want and the country will exist for longer.
        In effect, there is no one running in politics except a jeff Sessions who is 100% with you.

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      • mariner says:

        I agree with you.

        That said, as mdt123 notes there’s only one candidate people like us should vote for in November and it’s The Donald.

        I’m not convinced that he is abandoning the position that won him my support.

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    • dalethorn says:

      Agree 100 percent on Trump as the disruptor of the crooked status quo.

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    • mariner says:

      When someone posts a comment as obviously well-thought-out as this one I don’t worry about its length.

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  47. Scott says:

    “Conway attempted to clarify Trump’s stance on immigration, saying he wants to ensure the law is enforced…. “to be determined“, she says.”

    My memory tells me that Bash asked Conway about a deportation force to which Conway answered “to be determined.” Did I miss something?

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  48. Joan says:

    If Conway is so bad, why did Trump take her on? The man is not stupid. And isn’t Bannon also running the campaign?

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