“The Lucky One” – One Oregon Shooting Victim Selected to Deliver Envelope With Manifesto and Flash Drive To Police…

Oregon Shooting at Umpqua Community College:

update-1Matthew Smith is the 18-year-old student who Umpqua Community College shooter, Christopher Mercer, selected to take possession of an envelope containing a manifesto and computer flash drive.

It is apparent from a CNN video interview with Matthew Smith’s mother, Summer Smith, that she (they) have been given instructions not to discuss what Matthew was given.  See Video:

According to Australia News:

Oregon shooter matthew smith - letter carrier 2Summer Smith (left), Matthew Smith (blue glasses – center)

[…]  THE college student singled out by the Oregon gunman as “the lucky one” who would live attended a memorial service for the friends he watched die as the tiny town of Roseburg gathered on Sunday morning to mourn.

The 18-year-old was too distressed to speak, but his mother Summer Smith told how her son Matthew was forced to sit, frozen, against the back wall of the classroom as the gunman executed his friends one by one.

[…] Shedding more light on the tragedy, Matthew’s mother Summer Smith said her son didn’t understand what was happening when Harper Mercer singled him out by his blue glasses, telling him to stand up.

“He thought he was standing up to die,” Ms Smith later told CNN.

“He was sent to the back of the room and was forced to watch. He froze. He didn’t make a single move. He was afraid to look away. He thought if he did anything to make the shooter notice him he would be shot.”  (link)

oregon shooter - matthew smith letter carrier 2

What makes the Dylan Roof shooting manifesto different from Vester Flanagan and Christopher Mercer’s manifestos?

Or, put another way, what makes the Vester Flanagan and Christopher Mercer shooting different from Dylan Roof?

Maybe we’ll find out – Maybe not.   As with all information, it would seemingly depend on what the media would like the public to know and what they prefer to keep hidden.

 

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157 Responses to “The Lucky One” – One Oregon Shooting Victim Selected to Deliver Envelope With Manifesto and Flash Drive To Police…

  1. facebkwallflower says:

    “If you give this to police you will live.” So, was he going to be watched after the ordeal to be sure he gave it to police? By who?

    The young man’s father? (Or father and mother if adopted?)

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    • It could just have been an empty threat made by the shooter. In the middle of a terrifying experience like that this young probably just handed the papers he was given over to the police anyway after he escaped.

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  2. Director says:

    I can understand that these lads froze. I can’t put myself in their shoes…but jeeeesus…10 people should rush a lone gunman. You are dead anyway most likely. Might as well go out like a hero if you are ever given the chance.

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    • Thats what I though. Why just stand there, Charge the SOB your going to be killed anyway, FIGHT back.

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      • Sassy says:

        I don’t like to second guess victims, but the story becomes more difficult to comprehend as the days go by. Now he paused, called someone up to him, presumably dug around in his stuff to get what he wanted to give the young man, and everybody just waited their turn, passively? This is after seeing several others killed in cold blood, and as they hear the guy allegedly state that this young man will be the “lucky one.” ONE. He stated his intent to kill them all. Another thing that makes no sense to me. A girl says he shot several people and then called out to her to stand up, but she didn’t and played dead. Wouldn’t he know already whether or not he had shot her? So he wanted to make sure his message got out. Well, what IS his message? Under what theory of law can they confiscate all the cell phones (if true) and force these people to stay mum, infringing on their Constitutional rights?

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    • jakeandcrew says:

      I don’t think they had a chance to do so. This guy walked in and immediately started shooting. There was no time to even make eye contact with someone else, much less talk about mounting a defense. There was no “Let’s roll!” moment for these kids. They were blindsided by bullets and unadulterated evil. They never had a chance.

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      • Brett says:

        I think that students are taught to be passive, running away if possible. That is what is taught at the public school level. I know…I am a middle school teacher. To suggest running AT the shooter, trying to defend yourself and others, is horrifying to most educators these days.

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        • jakeandcrew says:

          Wasn’t the one guy who stood up to the killer former military? I think it takes training to do that as your first instinct.

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        • flova says:

          Yes, the liberal indoctrination of pacifism, non violence, having a dialogue, etc for 150 years has stifled instincts of self-defense in people. Gun free zones are the tangible example of this mindset. How could we have umpteen school shootings in the last 25 years and still not protect the young people? It makes no sense. Not only do we not protect them, we make schools gun free zones.

          This kid with the blue glasses will probably be messed up for a long time seeing what he saw and then the guilt of being spared. The Columbine killers did something similar to a guy they didn’t want to kill because they ‘liked’ him–saw him on an interview–very sad.

          Here’s what we should have-nothing less:

          http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/newsmax-readers-teachers-guns/2012/12/18/id/468245/

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        • Les says:

          The DoD training says to avoid confrontation, shelter in place/hide/barricade, stay low but don’t lay on the floor, and try to get away if you can, only fight back if you are cornered. It isn’t just kids. They train you to do the behaviors that keeps the highest percentage of people alive.

          I witnessed a situation, not going to give details, but people scattered. Trained people scattered the first moments. It takes a few minutes to figure out WTH is going on and to group yourselves to act. It isn’t like people think. It’s messed up if you aren’t armed.

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          • Anubis says:

            That’s why Putin did more in 3 days against IS IS than Bath House Barry did in a year.

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          • rodney says:

            That works fine if you have multiple points of egress(and only a single attacker), otherwise it’s a recipe for a Turkey shoot such as a classroom with a single point of ingress/egress.

            In that case, grab and throw stuff at the attacker and charge him. Because you’re probably going to shot and killed no matter what.

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            • Jett Black says:

              ^this exactly. Throw the heaviest, hardest stuff you can fling at an attacker like this and charge them with something in your hand, like a book, an unopened soda can (open they collapse, but unopened, the pressure makes them almost as hard as a solid piece of metal), chair, etc. If just 4 people did that, from different directions, this sub-human probably couldn’t have killed another person, though there would have been wounded. Moving targets are much harder to hit and even harder to hit fatally.

              DoD guidelines are authoritarian–designed for top-down control and assume that a military response will be made, so they want civilians down and out of the line of fire as much a possible. No application to this or most wacko-evil shooter scenarios. These are about self-defense, the most fundamental right of all, protected by the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution.

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        • JT says:

          Exactly. But you are going to have to teach them this. Their lives may depend on it someday. They can no longer lie down like little lambs. They have to learn to stand up for themselves and not let someone with evil intent seize their own power.

          The issue is that this is not now nor is it going to be a great country to live in in future, unless you are a member of The Party, and you have your own security. People like us are going to have to learn situational awareness and how to counter the normalcy bias in order to not be taken in. People cannot be pussies anymore.

          Our forefathers fought in shirtsleeves. Most lived in their own skin and on their own lights. They could be polite and gracious, but they knew to be armed and ready at a moment’s notice. Our children are taught to be afraid of pop tarts.

          You get them young. Do you think the ‘refugees’ and their children are going to be so polite? Have you not read of the sex grooming in the UK? That is conquest. Our betters are telling teachers to teach our children that they are to behave as though they are conquered already. That will stick, and they will be.

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    • archer52 says:

      Sheep are sheep. People comply with force because they are grown and trained to comply with force or authority.

      Soldiers are trained to ignore force and either dominate it or kill it- usually using teamwork. Same with police. But that training is also backed up with impressing on them to do that under orders. That is how you get young men to rise up and charge out or a trench into a machine gun.

      Civilians see only the threat, and don’t process the outcome- clinging instead to the hope that the person across from them has some humanity left.

      Israelis have long ago learned this is not the case and kill terrorists without mercy or hesitation.

      The Russians, who will soon be on the ground in Syria killing rebels, will also operate in the same fashion.

      We breed soft people. Sure we are civilized. But folks in this day and age, being civilized will get us killed.

      Enough PC.

      Kill them. Before they kill you.

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  3. I know others have said it here, and I’ll say it again: whatever is in this shooter’s manifesto does not match the media’s portrayal of him. There’s a certain picture they want lo-fos to have of this guy, and whatever is in that manifesto must be more than capable of blowing that false construct out of the water.

    Incidentally, how many school shootings does this make since 2012?

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  4. boutis says:

    One of the things that is not mentioned is that this guy was enrolled in this class according to one report early which I have not seen contradicted. This would mean that it was not random, he targeted this English class that had only been in session for four days. Why? Also this weirdo was a perennial student at age 26. He went to a junior college in CA before moving to OR. Did he pass classes? Who paid for this? Did he flunk out? Ever? Did he take the same classes over and over? Did he act out in class or just sit there like a lump? Did he want to go to junior college or did his mother make him? Why would a junior college take him as a student if he had to go to a learning disabled/behavior impaired special school? Are publicly funded junior colleges being turned into day care centers for the weirdos and learning impaired? Why was he there as academics or job skills seemed beyond him as was easily determined by anyone who was around him for more than a few minutes?

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    • boutis says:

      And his participation in a theater class sounded more like some kind of therapy which is not necessarily bad but were they really the appropriate venue for a mental case to interact with normal people who had no choice or uninformed that they were interacting with a dangerous/disabled loon? Something is very off in all of this. Was he funded by federal grants and/or were they forced to take and keep him because of a complaint or lawsuit threat by his mom or something? How was a person this messed up supposed to function with normal students? Why was he there?

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      • I can’t be 100% certain but I think the answer to most of your questions lies in the ADA. I have been told during my time in college that the Americans with Disabilities Act gives everyone the right to attend college, even people who should not be allowed to do so. Also, the ADA protects him from the other students. (Yeah, I know what you’re thinking, but the ADA doesn’t regard the well being and safety of people who aren’t disabled.Nor does it regard the burden of compliance but that’s a different story.) If he was a nutcase who was on medication while attending, or a nutcases who was off his medication, none of them had a right to know because them knowing would violate his privacy. It’s not that colleges want to be daycares, it’s that they can’t turn these nuts away because if they knowingly turn away these people, that’s discrimination.

        As for who paid for it, it would not surprise me to learn federal grants paid for his college education.

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        • boutis says:

          You are right I’m sure. But he is now dead and the privacy issue is gone. This is also why it is all being hushed up. It makes perfect sense. But the public has a right to know if their tax money is being thrown down a rat hole and that other students and staff are endangered by this stuff. I don’t think the ADA statutes were intended to enable homicidal loons but that is what we get with any good intentions these days.

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        • kinthenorthwest says:

          Actually its IDEA and their special services usually end at the age of 21, unless they are severely handicapped then SS kicks in

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        • Unprotected Class says:

          Sorry to inform you but ADA does not “protect” students from other students. What ADA does is allow REASONABLE accommodations for people with disabilities. For instance a disabled vet may need a special desk because they are in a wheel chair, or they may need extended time on a test because they had an IED go off near them and have brain damage.

          Assuming the terrorist in this case had a qualifying condition to justify accommodations, It would be something along the lines of a low distraction area for taking tests, or extended time if he had a processing issue. See as he seemed to act with speed, I think his processing speed was just fine.

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          • Rhea Salacia Volans says:

            I know how ADA works. My point is that there was no disclosure of someone who may have had something wrong with him. If you get accommodations at a college level you have no obligation to disclose your problem, and in my experience the school is forbidden from disclosing it to any instructors or staff. That’s how ADA could be seen as protecting this shooter. Sometimes that lack of disclosure is a good thing, sometimes that’s a bad thing. In this case, it was a bad thing. There may have been no signs that anything was wrong with him, but based on the ensuing events, I can’t help but wonder if there were signs.

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            • Unprotected Class says:

              The professors have to know because that is how they know they have to abide by the accommodations. Besides that, it is FERPA that protects their privacy.

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              • John Galt says:

                “Schools can also freely release information about students over
                18 after their deaths, since the right of privacy does not survive an
                individual’s death.”

                Near the top of page 3 in the left hand column:

                http://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.getsnworks.com/spl/pdf/ferpa_wp.pdf

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              • Rhea Salacia Volans says:

                Professors do not have to know, unless the law in Oregon is different than it is in Indiana. When I began attending the college I attend at present I was told by the office that handles disabled students that I did not have any duty to disclose anything to my professors. I took my documentation of my disability to the correct office at college, and from there was given papers that confirm that I require accommodations and then listed the specific accommodations that have been granted to me and those items listed on that sheet are the things that the instructor must follow. At no point was my disability ever revealed. In my case the professors only know only because I tell them. It may be different in Oregon but this is what I have seen in Indiana.

                FERPA is the law protects privacy. Sorry about that – I thought ADA did as well.

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          • Les says:

            This is the same for people with learning/intellectual disabilities.

            People with special needs grow up. Colleges don’t let you JUST take the trade classes anymore, you have to have the reading, writing, math, history, humanities, etc. Sad but true. Like having a skill is such a bad thing. Most of the people I grew up with never took Algebra or Statistics. They took business math/general math and they turned out okay.

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        • John Denney says:

          “they can’t turn these nuts away because if they knowingly turn away these people, that’s discrimination.”

          It’s so much better to be indiscriminate. /sarc

          Bumper sticker / T-shirt idea: “Are you indiscriminate?”

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  5. Fred says:

    If the school was not a gun free zone, and this kid had a gun, he could have stopped the carnage. Instead, he cringed in fear of his own life at the back of the room while his friends were killed. This only goes to show one more time, that gun free zones are really “easy target zones”. The shooter capitalized on that, and was able to kill at will. The sickness of gun control fools who think laws will stop violence by irrational idiots with guns, is manifested in the mass shootings by criminals, who, by definition, do not obey laws. What would make it a safer for all is to require that all people be required to carry a gun, and know how to use it. Those who opt not to defend themselves, are electing to be victims, and the police are not required to protect you, although they often do at the peril of their own lives. The police are there to clean up the mess, not stop the crime. The only person who can stop a crime is the one who is there when it is being committed. That person is usually the intended victim, or bystander. Without the ability to defend themselves, the intended victim becomes the victim, and the bystander becomes a witness or another victim.

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    • Director says:

      These boys are not encouraged to stand up to bullies.

      Any signs of life are crushed by the matriarchs, though-crime police and assorted soul destroyers. Boys in their 20s should be predisposed to heroism. I can’t blame them though, they have been programmed as passive sheep.

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      • Les says:

        That one boy did okay on that train…

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        • Patricia says:

          That ‘boy’ goes to that school but was not there that day.

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          • Daavid A says:

            Has the relationship with a Islamic pro jihad friend been confirmed?
            Is the ISIS claim of reasonability correct?
            Was the shooter a student. ( I understand he was from LA)
            The French train hero who is now on dancing with the stars was, or is a student at this small community college. Was this a targeted at him. It is logical that all three of the Americans who intercepted the French train terrorist are targets. What better way to discourage heroism.
            Fox said three survivors, shot in the leg, were asked if they were Christians. Those who said yes were shot in the head.

            Was the shooter a student at the Oregon community college where the shooting took place?

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    • Daavid A says:

      “If the school was not a gun free zone, and this kid had a gun as of course as security personnel.”

      Students should not carry in classes. However qualified teachers that are willing should.

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  6. Southern Son says:

    AG Loretta Lynch (really?), put us all on notice, that blue hats are comin’ to a town near you. It will be before Obamuhammeds term ends, ya’ll. Don’t need no Dr. Savage or Alex Jones to know it. They are committed and determined to rule us one way or the other. My belief is, gun sales are not spikeing because of violence. We all know Martial Law is almost inevitable now.

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    • Doodahdaze says:

      They might try something. It is reported Lynch has some kind of illegal deal going on with the UN. I would not put any trick past those crooks.

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      • peachteachr says:

        Thanks, Doodah. I am alarmed by the forming of the Strong Cities Network at the UN. The most alarming point about the whole deal is that a paper in Canada wrote about it without a peep from our MSM. If Judi McLeod hadn’t written about it we would not know about the “blue hats” so we have no sure idea of what else Obama has turned over to the UN. There is lots to fear with little solace for our spirits.

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      • SharonKinDC says:

        RE the Safe Cities deal, I don’t think it looks like blue helmets… yet. What it looks like is a protection racket: UN ROP types working w/ ‘communities’ to help ensure safety. IOW, your tax dollars at work, poorly.

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      • JT says:

        The ATT. Yes. Small Arms Treaty was already signed by Obama. He may try to pull it into the TPP on the back end, if he can. One of the provisions of the TPP essentially gives him the ability to write in anything without Congressional approval-after the fact. Obamacare for governance and the economy. It must be a real head trip, the thought of all that power.

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    • Gary says:

      I will be forced, by principle to collect the first “241” blue helmets I see.

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  7. NJF says:

    This is beyond infuriating. I haven’t been able to keep up with all the great info uncovered here about this case, but IIRC, wasn’t it supposed to be sent to the police as well? I get why news organizations will follow orders, but this police force seems to have openly rebuffed what Obama is selling. So why don’t they release it?

    On the one hand I fully understand why the Police Chief “refuses to mention his name,” and I agree with that. However, we deserve to know what motivated this POS. IDGI

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    • Sassy says:

      Curious that the mother says her son was instructed to give it to the police, not the media. If he wanted his message out, the media would be the medium.

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  8. kinthenorthwest says:

    What infuriates me more is that more people were killed in Chicago last weekend than at this college, but does Obama say anything about it. H3LL in a month’s time several other cities like Baltimore, New Orleans and a couple of other cities have over a dozen gun deaths yet where is Obama on this. If I remember correctly these cities with the strictest gun laws have the most gun deaths in the country.

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  9. NJF says:

    Meant to post this earlier…not sure if previously posted.

    Oregon shooter ordered a girl to BEG for her life then shot her as she pleaded, survivor recalls

    *Chris Harper-Mercer ‘shot a female student after promising to spare her’
    *He also ‘ordered Christians to crawl to him to be shot’, a survivor recalls
    *And he carried on shooting an army vet after he said ‘it’s my son’s birthday’
    *Also shot a woman as she tried to reason with him about his motivation
    *His only bizarre act of mercy was to spare a boy after giving him a parcel. The parcel contains a lengthy manifesto, police officers have confirmed

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3259489/Oregon-shooter-ordered-girl-BEG-life-shot-pleaded-survivor-recalls.html#ixzz3nhIORxd1

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  10. Doodahdaze says:

    Since the government will not release the evidence, speculation is the best way to go. His manifesto is all about BLM. He shot them as a favor to Obama. It cites the Koran. He is a member of CAIR and ISIS. He is part of the NAACP strike team. He is Gay, Black, democrat, and Muslim. Let your mind run. Might as well just make it up. Hey, this is just another coverup to protect the hard left. I want to see the evidence.

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    • John Galt says:

      “Let your mind run.”

      Trying to, but I think you covered all the bases.

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    • Nice strategy. He did it on Obama’s orders, with Loretta Lynch’s OK, until they release an actual bit-for-bit copy of the flash drive.

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    • goodoldboy66 says:

      Psy-Op JuJitsu 101: The “vacuum of information” deliberately serves the purpose of prompting rampant speculation which is then utilized to launch subsequent charges of rampant tinfoil-hatism versus the speculators. Kenya Diggit is a 10th level master of this technique. “Some folks will tell you I want to take away guns, that I am planning EO’s at this very moment” You can’t believe those bible clutching gun toting red reck cracka’s.

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  11. Brian says:

    The manifesto will be placed in the vault with the one Vester Flanagan wrote that still has not been released to the public even though it was sent to an alleged “news” organization.

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  12. jakeandcrew says:

    Chris Mercer dubbed him “the lucky one”. Yeah, he was real “lucky”. He was sitting in his English class, probably thinking about what he was going to have for lunch later, and this sicko walks in and all hell breaks loose.

    Chris Mercer reveled in the power he held in that classroom. He decided who lived and who died. He told one woman to beg for her life. She did. He probably got a big thrill out of that. He shot her anyway. He walked over the bodies of people he had shot to search for anyone still alive to shoot again. He decided Matthew was “the lucky one” who would survive. He decided.

    His guns gave him that power. There was no way to see it coming (except for his mother, perhaps). There was no way for anyone else to know what his twisted mind was planning. I’m pretty sure I read somewhere that he had been in class two days earlier (probably a T/Th class) and nothing seemed out of the ordinary. Regardless, those people in that classroom Thursday morning were sitting ducks. They had no idea.

    Gun control makes us us all.sitting ducks. You can’t prevent evil. You have to fight fire with fire – don’t let them get control like that. I don’t want to be a sitting duck.

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  13. Hussein could be confiscating guns from law abiding citizens in cities across America and you would never hear about it from his media whores. They must be publicly discredited. This is one huge reason that gave rise to the Third Reich.

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    • NJF says:

      Yes, especially to your last point. I’ve been freaking out all,by my lonesome –meaning no one else was thinking like me–about the NSA and its massive data collecting, tracking practices. I would argue with friends and family stating, “look at every dystopian novel or movie ever made. How do they gain control? Control is derived from information about the citizenry. It drove me crazy that no one around me got that concept. But hey, maybe I read too much!

      I became even more infuriated this year with 2 separate incidents involving my kids.

      My 17 YO daughter got her first summer job this year at a local village town park. During the first week she remarked, “my palm scan is giving me trouble.” I was like WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT palm scan!!!!!????” She told me how they take palm scans of all the employees as a “way to punch the clock.” Grrrrrr now and forever my daughter’s Palm scan is on file.

      Then my 14 YO son just started his freshman year of HS. He’s attending a private catholic HS and during orientation they took all the kids thumb prints. This is so that when they purchase anything, lunch or things from the school store, all “they need to do is a thumb print scan,” rather than a swipe card system. Gee golly isn’t that wonderful?

      I was so angry. Same issue as my daughter. In addition, the thing with the school really irrational me b/c they didn’t even ask for permission. Everyone thinks that it’s “harmless.”

      Just goes to prove Gruber wasn’t that far off the mark.

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      • peachteachr says:

        Years ago Georgia required me to give my fingerprints in order to get my driver’s license renewed; it is now illegal to require such but too late for me. I told them then it ticked me off and not because they would ever find my prints at a crime. It was an invasion of my liberty. We must not “go gentle into the good night,” but “rage, rage against that dying of the light.” Your children now know they were violated. It was your job to teach them and it seems you did.

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      • Once we’ve reached the ‘tipping point’ of identity theft, the government can swoop in to save the day with identity scanners (prints or eyescan)

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  14. sunspots7 says:

    “they have been given instructions not to discuss what Matthew was given.”
    Screw the “instructions” and those who gave them — they have no right to claim any authority over the mother and son. If the mom and son want to release it, they are free to do so. We all need to stop voluntarily submitting to “the authorities”.

    The son did nothing to try to save others. He will have to bear this the rest of his life. Mothers and fathers – our job is to teach character — teach your children bravery, courage, self-sacrifice from an early age. Maybe his parents did so and he is just young and a coward. His decision is going to haunt him.

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    • JT says:

      The action of giving something to the fellow made for a distraction that could have been used against him. The fellow could have gone for the gun right then and others join him. Being taught passiveness and cowardice has had horrible consequences.

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      • MTeresa says:

        You know, I get all the Monday morning quarterbacking but quite honestly, unless these young men are trained as in the military (like the guys on the train in France), they have are not taught to fight back. The education system in the United States has been totally feminized for the last 40 years and young boys are drugged into behaving in a classroom. Boys are active and busy (it takes a tremendous amount of patience to raise boys).

        Any bullying is dealt with with trying to teach children not to bully. Children bully each other and can be very cruel to each other. It’s been going on forever. Yes, they need to be taught not to do it by families and schools. But quite honestly the breakdown of the family has played a huge role. Does anyone remember, “Wait till your father gets home?” Father’s were the ones who may never have raised a hand to strike, but the disapproval and punishment made a difference. It taught respect. It was a presence.

        Administrators and teachers are afraid to deal with bullies appropriately because they don’t want to get sued. And the child that’s being bullied is not allowed to fight back to stand up for themselves. Unfortunately we have a very timid and passive population of young people and it’s not their fault.

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        • sunspots7 says:

          Agreed. Parents bear the ultimate responsibility for instilling character in their children. Sure, some kids will reject it and turn out rotten. But parents not teaching at all, or teaching submission and dependency, they are unfit parents and share the responsibility of their kid’s actions.

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        • NJF says:

          Yes we definitely have that responsibility. Unfortunately, many times, the schools are counter productive to what is taught at home.

          One of the many reasons we love the private catholic HS my son is attending. They pretty much reject it all. Common core, and PC bull chit. They dont even subscribe to NY regents b/c their curriculum is more difficult. As an example, 75 is passing rather than 65. And it goes without saying that religion itself is a huge part of their curriculum.

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        • chick20112011 says:

          In my kid’s school district there is a “zero tolerance” for violence. Any kid that gets sucker punched/not in a fight is treated as harshly as the perp. The VICTIM is suspended along with the Perp. Even if the VICTIM said nothing and didn’t defend himself or try to fight back. What is the School District saying with that policy?

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          • goodoldboy66 says:

            How does that stand up under any type of logical examination? About as stupid as red carding the guy who got tripped along with the tripper.

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        • goodoldboy66 says:

          A great many males in the education realm are beta-males. Typically short, pudgy, non-masculine, non-threatening, wearing drab brown/ beige suits and as often as not balding. Modern day eunuchs.

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    • Sassy says:

      I did notice that she dutifully referred to “the shooter” and not Harper-Mercer.

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    • goodoldboy66 says:

      Blue glasses was selected because the shooter judged correctly in seconds based solely on visual appearance that he would be passively compliant. I do not subscribe to the notion that ‘lucky kid’ was involved in any way.

      Lucky Kid/ Blue glasses COULD NOW rise to the occasion and ‘speak for the victims’. I feel this could help him feel better about understandably being intimidated by the shooter and ‘freezing’ by NOW doing something positive to advance the ‘truth of the moments’ he shared with the victims and possibly achieve a sense of fighting for them NOW versus once again being intimidated into inaction by the silencers (LE) who are distorting the truth.

      I also realize he was/is in a state of shock I’ve never experienced as I sit and type this in the comfort of my generally protected life.

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  15. Lulu says:

    Great essay this morning:

    Guns, Blacks and Biology

    http://thezman.com/wordpress/?p=5585

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  16. The answer isn’t whether there’s a difference between the manifestos of Chris Mercer, Vester Flanagan and Dylann Roof, the answer lies in the differences between Mercer, Flanagan, and Roof, themselves.

    Flanagan was black, and hated whites because he perceived himself to be a victim of white privilege. BUT, (according to our Department of Injustice) there is no such thing as a black-on-white hate crime so any evidence of it (Flanagan’s manifesto) has to be kept from public view, in the same manner that LE agencies and Media consistently obscure the facts about almost every other black on white crime. WHAT? It’s not a hate crime! We just can’t figure out what the motive was! But don’t worry! We WILL! Hmmmm….he was no longer working with them, so calling it “Workplace Violence” will be a hard-sell, but let’s give it a whirl…

    Roof, on the other hand was white, and his victims were black. (Media and cops expel a sigh of relief) AT LAST! Here’s a story that we can pound into the heads of the public! Publish his screed! Display any (and every) photo that will further the cause of perpetual victimhood for blacks! A white man with racial motives! Hate Crime! White Privilege! Racism is alive in the South! Ban the Stars and Bars! Grab all the guns! Hallelujah! Yeah! That’s the ticket…

    But, in that same way came Chris Mercer. A black (hey, why not call him that? Obama’s half white, but is hailed as being the 1st black president—and any white who criticizes HIM is a racist, so…—and don’t forget Sean King, a CLEARLY white man who identifies as black so you must call him black…or you’re a racist…) man whose victims were all white. And yet (as in most other cases of black-on-white crime) the police claim they have to “determine the motive”?

    Now, some say it’s a case of him being a Muslim who singled out Christians to be his victims. And, there might be some element of that involved here. But I don’t for a minute believe that’s the whole story. I just believe that’s the story that’s being leaked to divert attention away from the racial component of this crime. Why do I say that?

    I keep trying to envision what transpired at that school, and what do I have to make my judgement on? Am I really expected to believe that he said nothing other than:

    “Are you a Christian? BLAM! How about you? BLAM! Here kid, take this to the cops! Are YOU a Christian? BLAM!”

    NO! There had to be more said between him and his victims, but that is being withheld from us.. Just like his “Manifesto” has been kept from public view. Certainly this is being done to control the “narrative” AND the speculation that evolves independently in the vacuum of information. Maybe the truth is more mundane than this being a part of some grand “lone-wolf sleeper that was recently activated” conspiracy.

    Hey! Look! A (Muslim) Squirrel———————————>

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  17. carterzest says:

    So there is/was a manifesto/thumb drive. Drip, drip, drip……

    Too bad the ban all guns narrative has had 4 days to override everything still not discussing shooters mixed race and black mom.

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/more-police-decide-against-naming-mass-shooting-suspects-1443985970

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  18. Sandra says:

    We are in dire need of a leaker. Someone at the police department who understands that the shooter and his mother and the story the media is trying to sell is less important than the public knowing the truth.

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  19. maggiemoowho says:

    Sorry, but I gotta ask, Is it possible that the “Lucky One” was part of the plan. Does he have any ties to the shooter. I hate to ask that question, but you just never know.

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    • Sandra says:

      Interesting. If the shooter had been in class for a few days it’s possible he got to know some of his classmates. Perhaps he identified with the “Lucky One” in some way. Maybe Lucky was the only one who spoke to him. Good thing Lucky wears identifiable eyewear.

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    • jim says:

      My guess is this is another way to terrorize people. Making the poor guy watch helpless as the others are slaughtered. Poor guy is going to suffer from survivor’s guilt big time. Not just why me, why did I survive and they didn’t, but guilt for not trying to do something to help the others. Guilt for quaking in fear, while feeling relieved that he will live, and doing nothing that risks himself but might save others. But he is no different than any of the other victims. He bravely stood up and went forward to be killed. The evil had a different terror in mind for him.

      The guys who stopped the train terrorist, the guys who rushed to the cockpit in the plane that went down in PA on 9/11 are/were special people. Most people are like all the victims who bravely stood up to be killed, but passively let the evil keep killing, or those who cowardly stayed seated, and let the evil keep killing.

      They are all true victims and the evil guy is the only one with any blame. But every now and then, somebody special tries and succeeds in stopping the evil from doing more harm. That is why we call people heroes.

      Let the police check such questions. Until they tell us differently, even wondering about such possibilities will make things worse for him if he is just a poor victim.

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  20. lovely says:

    I wonder if Mathew’s darker looking skin and curly locks had more to do with him being the “lucky one” than did his blue glasses.

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  21. Buck Weaver says:

    Here’s a few more drips of the manifesto.
    In the reported manifesto, which is about six pages long, 26-year-old gunman Chris Harper Mercer allegedly writes, “I was hated ever since I arrived in the world. I was always under attack. I’ve always been the most hated person in the world. Ever since I arrived in the world.

    http://www.people.com/article/oregon-shooting-chris-harper-mercer-said-he-was-born-bad

    If you click on the word “Manifesto” in the article, it takes you to an earlier article.

    The source adds: “The only thing I’ve seen that came close to this type of devotion to Satan is the ‘Night Stalker’ in Los Angeles,”

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  22. SharonKinDC says:

    Wonder if the victims can sue for the manifesto under FOIA?

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    • NJF says:

      I don’t get why the someone in the media isn’t. Also for the virginia shooting. I get it that LSM won’t, but there are plenty of other news outlets that aren’t beholden to Obozo and his minions.

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  23. Arkianese says:

    I’m an infrequent reader here (discovered the site on my own however a female blogger friend occasionally links from here to her blog … occasionally asks if I can independently verify particular items more generally military/intel world) I’m from Arkansas and Geographically similarly close to both the Mississippi thing and Ferguson … professionally (semi-former .. don’t ask, as I say in the following paragraph) specialized “watched Centcom AOR stuff.”

    First comment – and most likely final – but I was curious for more info on the Oregon shooter. I noticed many questions/observations, many suspicions from the regulars that paraphrasing, “Treehouse might be getting trolled C&NN and/or, etc”

    80/20 > Likely/Unlikely

    During the Ferguson/C&NN shenanigans (that “citrusy fellow”) got me looking at some other sites I wouldn’t have otherwise – but one site is bookmarked. *Mainstream-y I suppose.

    Yesterday 04 OCT I happened upon a post in response to a query from a blogger not the same as above-mentioned; curiously the below post yesterday had a comment thread (about 30 or so individuals est) one in particular I can recall verbatim, “I knew as soon as I saw the first photograph the guy was black.” [Somewhat translated – spelling corrected]

    However as I was reading here I toggled over to look in on the post and got my mind somewhat boggled – the comment thread appears to have gone AWOL.

    Why? Heck, don’t ask me.

    http://www.theroot.com/articles/news/2015/10/chris_harper_mercer_wrote_about_hatred_toward_blacks.html

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    • John Galt says:

      They arrive first on the scene, impose an information blackout, create fake social media and then the media minions write articles about them as if they were real. Welcome to the Obozo Matrix — where all the pills are blue.

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  24. rsmith1776 says:

    One thing I really don’t know: what is the legal status of such information [killers’ manifestos]? Who is entitled legally to decide what goes out what stays hidden?

    Any way to challenge that?

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    • Arkianese says:

      Replying here but to a lesser degree the comment from warmac9999 @ 1539 & John Galt replying to mine @ 1459.

      “what is the legal status of such information [ ] &.”

      BLM would’ve been well served had all actively participated in a Civics class. The Police Investigatory Process, remains ongoing; the Free Press (and here all should thank God for blogdom & the Print Screen key) so “legally” it’s a Jurisdictional thing. However much whoever (as well as the obvious perp who, is no longer with us) is charged with any Prosecutorial function might object.

      (JG, I’m well acquainted with “media minions” [as if any media company owned by a Rupert Murdoch can’t possibly be] … Maybe sometime I’ll put it in a comment, but probably not, the time all us other guys knew who Mike Wallace was except for this one poor guy who had always wanted his Mother to see him on TV.)

      Sadly Trayvon-by-Trayvon we’re all having to sit on the class’ front row until we can get that individuals don’t “get Justice” – nope, individuals get taken “to Justice.”

      Occasionally, Societies too.

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  25. warmac9999 says:

    Am betting that there is a bunch of ISIS or jihadist terrorist information in the manifesto and it probably includes some Black Lives Matter garbage as well.

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  26. Curry Worsham says:

    This is strange. This vet gives two different versions of his story. The whole thing doesn’t pass the smell test. Three+ vets, at least one armed, either choose or are told not to attempt to rescue the students being shot. Huh? Remember, it was 5 minutes before the cops arrived and 9 minutes before the shooter was down.

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  27. BitterC says:

    Yeah….not sure about the change in story, but he has a point about being mistaken for bad guy by SWAT.

    The armed guy at Gabby Giffords shooting was also worried about being mistaken for shooter

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  28. 0Hour1 says:

    https://twitter.com/0Hour1/status/651172598852653061 look whats on the table dooo bee dooooo

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  29. TexasRanger says:

    President Obama Plans to Travel to Roseburg, Ore., the site of last week’s mass shooting at a community college, on Friday, per a White House official – @Reuters

    However, Obama’s Not Really Welcomed By Roseburg Residents.!

    Roseburg Oregon Resident – On Obama UCC Shooting Remarks

    Video Oct-4-2015:

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  30. TexasRanger says:

    Citing a law enforcement official, @AP has reported that the gunmen who killed 9 people at an Oregon community college last week left behind a Manifesto for authorities.

    According to their unnamed source, Chris Harper-Mercer complained about not having a girlfriend in the multi-page document.

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  31. Alfred E. Neuman says:

    Reblogged this on The Lynler Report.

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  32. jim hollynder says:

    I’m certainly no expert, but, isn’t refusing to publish psycho’s manifestos just because they happen to be black kinda, well.., racist? I wonder what Al Sharpton thinks of this. They are denying these oppressed minorities who will never get to defend themselves in court their consti-gosh-darn-tootional right to express themselves, what gives?

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  33. disgustedwithjulison says:

    Coincidence….or does ISIS have some targets that they want to square the score on?:
    http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2015/10/08/cbs-news-france-train-hero-spencer-stone-stabbed-in-critical-condition/

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