Report: AME Church Killer’s Manifesto Discovered – Dylann Roof and Eric Sheppard Very Similar….

The New York Times and the Daily Mail are both reporting the South Carolina mass murderer Dylann Roof wrote a 2,500 word manifesto on a website called TheLastRhodesian.com.    There are also pictures on the website reported to show Dylann Root burning and spitting on U.S. flags.

I have visited the site and read his nonsense, however I have not verified the pictures are there, nor viewed the content of those pictures, because it requires a zip.file download to view them and I’m not downloading sketchy content based on the NYT or Daily Mail.

We’ll take their word for it, or if you want to see it yourself you can here.

What immediately jumps out, noted in both pictures and words, is that Dylann Roof has an almost identical set of racial values as Valdosta State University flag burner and similarly self-proclaimed racist, Eric Sheppard Jr.

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Root and Sheppard are the mirror image of each other.  One is white, the other is black, but their ideology about race is as identical as it is diametrically opposite.

Eric Sheppard Jr. also produced a manifesto last month, and a video diatribe, which was sent to, and published by, the Valdosta Daily Times when Sheppard was on the run from law enforcement.

Previously the Valdosta Daily Times printed the full Sheppard Manifesto.

In order to compare views from both Roof and Sheppard for yourself, and not read the manifesto through the prism of the presenting media ideology describing it, here is Dylan Roof’s Manifesto in full – you can compare Sheppard to Roof.

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“I was not raised in a racist home or environment. Living in the South, almost every White person has a small amount of racial awareness, simply beause of the numbers of negroes in this part of the country. But it is a superficial awareness. Growing up, in school, the White and black kids would make racial jokes toward each other, but all they were were jokes. Me and White friends would sometimes would watch things that would make us think that “blacks were the real racists” and other elementary thoughts like this, but there was no real understanding behind it.

The event that truly awakened me was the Trayvon Martin case. I kept hearing and seeing his name, and eventually I decided to look him up. I read the Wikipedia article and right away I was unable to understand what the big deal was. It was obvious that Zimmerman was in the right. But more importantly this prompted me to type in the words “black on White crime” into Google, and I have never been the same since that day. The first website I came to was the Council of Conservative Citizens. There were pages upon pages of these brutal black on White murders. I was in disbelief. At this moment I realized that something was very wrong. How could the news be blowing up the Trayvon Martin case while hundreds of these black on White murders got ignored?

From this point I researched deeper and found out what was happening in Europe. I saw that the same things were happening in England and France, and in all the other Western European countries. Again I found myself in disbelief. As an American we are taught to accept living in the melting pot, and black and other minorities have just as much right to be here as we do, since we are all immigrants. But Europe is the homeland of White people, and in many ways the situation is even worse there. From here I found out about the Jewish problem and other issues facing our race, and I can say today that I am completely racially aware.

Blacks – I think it is is fitting to start off with the group I have the most real life experience with, and the group that is the biggest problem for Americans.

Niggers are stupid and violent. At the same time they have the capacity to be very slick. Black people view everything through a racial lense. Thats what racial awareness is, its viewing everything that happens through a racial lense. They are always thinking about the fact that they are black. This is part of the reason they get offended so easily, and think that some thing are intended to be racist towards them, even when a White person wouldnt be thinking about race. The other reason is the Jewish agitation of the black race.

Black people are racially aware almost from birth, but White people on average dont think about race in their daily lives. And this is our problem. We need to and have to.

Say you were to witness a dog being beat by a man. You are almost surely going to feel very sorry for that dog. But then say you were to witness a dog biting a man. You will most likely not feel the same pity you felt for the dog for the man. Why? Because dogs are lower than men.

This same analogy applies to black and White relations. Even today, blacks are subconsciously viewed by White people are lower beings. They are held to a lower standard in general. This is why they are able to get away with things like obnoxious behavior in public. Because it is expected of them.

Modern history classes instill a subconscious White superiority complex in Whites and an inferiority complex in blacks. This White superiority complex that comes from learning of how we dominated other peoples is also part of the problem I have just mentioned. But of course I dont deny that we are in fact superior.

I wish with a passion that niggers were treated terribly throughout history by Whites, that every White person had an ancestor who owned slaves, that segregation was an evil an oppressive institution, and so on. Because if it was all it true, it would make it so much easier for me to accept our current situation. But it isnt true. None of it is. We are told to accept what is happening to us because of ancestors wrong doing, but it is all based on historical lies, exaggerations and myths. I have tried endlessly to think of reasons we deserve this, and I have only came back more irritated because there are no reasons.

Only a fourth to a third of people in the South owned even one slave. Yet every White person is treated as if they had a slave owning ancestor. This applies to in the states where slavery never existed, as well as people whose families immigrated after slavery was abolished. I have read hundreds of slaves narratives from my state. And almost all of them were positive. One sticks out in my mind where an old ex-slave recounted how the day his mistress died was one of the saddest days of his life. And in many of these narratives the slaves told of how their masters didnt even allowing whipping on his plantation.

Segregation was not a bad thing. It was a defensive measure. Segregation did not exist to hold back negroes. It existed to protect us from them. And I mean that in multiple ways. Not only did it protect us from having to interact with them, and from being physically harmed by them, but it protected us from being brought down to their level. Integration has done nothing but bring Whites down to level of brute animals. The best example of this is obviously our school system.

Now White parents are forced to move to the suburbs to send their children to “good schools”. But what constitutes a “good school”? The fact is that how good a school is considered directly corresponds to how White it is. I hate with a passion the whole idea of the suburbs. To me it represents nothing but scared White people running. Running because they are too weak, scared, and brainwashed to fight. Why should we have to flee the cities we created for the security of the suburbs? Why are the suburbs secure in the first place? Because they are White. The pathetic part is that these White people dont even admit to themselves why they are moving. They tell themselves it is for better schools or simply to live in a nicer neighborhood. But it is honestly just a way to escape niggers and other minorities.

But what about the White people that are left behind? What about the White children who, because of school zoning laws, are forced to go to a school that is 90 percent black? Do we really think that that White kid will be able to go one day without being picked on for being White, or called a “white boy”? And who is fighting for him? Who is fighting for these White people forced by economic circumstances to live among negroes? No one, but someone has to.

Here I would also like to touch on the idea of a Norhtwest Front. I think this idea is beyond stupid. Why should I for example, give up the beauty and history of my state to go to the Norhthwest? To me the whole idea just parralells the concept of White people running to the suburbs. The whole idea is pathetic and just another way to run from the problem without facing it.

Some people feel as though the South is beyond saving, that we have too many blacks here. To this I say look at history. The South had a higher ratio of blacks when we were holding them as slaves. Look at South Africa, and how such a small minority held the black in apartheid for years and years. Speaking of South Africa, if anyone thinks that think will eventually just change for the better, consider how in South Africa they have affirmative action for the black population that makes up 80 percent of the population.

It is far from being too late for America or Europe. I believe that even if we made up only 30 percent of the population we could take it back completely. But by no means should we wait any longer to take drastic action.

Anyone who thinks that White and black people look as different as we do on the outside, but are somehow magically the same on the inside, is delusional. How could our faces, skin, hair, and body structure all be different, but our brains be exactly the same? This is the nonsense we are led to believe.

Negroes have lower Iqs, lower impulse control, and higher testosterone levels in generals. These three things alone are a recipe for violent behavior. If a scientist publishes a paper on the differences between the races in Western Europe or Americans, he can expect to lose his job. There are personality traits within human families, and within different breeds of cats or dogs, so why not within the races?

A horse and a donkey can breed and make a mule, but they are still two completely different animals. Just because we can breed with the other races doesnt make us the same.

In a modern history class it is always emphasized that, when talking about “bad” things Whites have done in history, they were White. But when we lern about the numerous, almost countless wonderful things Whites have done, it is never pointed out that these people were White. Yet when we learn about anything important done by a black person in history, it is always pointed out repeatedly that they were black. For example when we learn about how George Washington carver was the first nigger smart enough to open a peanut.

On another subject I want to say this. Many White people feel as though they dont have a unique culture. The reason for this is that White culture is world culture. I dont mean that our culture is made up of other cultures, I mean that our culture has been adopted by everyone in the world. This makes us feel as though our culture isnt special or unique. Say for example that every business man in the world wore a kimono, that every skyscraper was in the shape of a pagoda, that every door was a sliding one, and that everyone ate every meal with chopsticks. This would probably make a Japanese man feel as though he had no unique traditional culture.

I have noticed a great disdain for race mixing White women within the White nationalists community, bordering on insanity it. These women are victims, and they can be saved. Stop.

Jews – Unlike many White naitonalists, I am of the opinion that the majority of American and European jews are White. In my opinion the issues with jews is not their blood, but their identity. I think that if we could somehow destroy the jewish identity, then they wouldnt cause much of a problem. The problem is that Jews look White, and in many cases are White, yet they see themselves as minorities. Just like niggers, most jews are always thinking about the fact that they are jewish. The other issue is that they network. If we could somehow turn every jew blue for 24 hours, I think there would be a mass awakening, because people would be able to see plainly what is going on.

I dont pretend to understand why jews do what they do. They are enigma.

Hispanics – Hispanics are obviously a huge problem for Americans. But there are good hispanics and bad hispanics. I remember while watching hispanic television stations, the shows and even the commercials were more White than our own. They have respect for White beauty, and a good portion of hispanics are White. It is a well known fact that White hispanics make up the elite of most hispanics countries. There is good White blood worht saving in Uruguay, Argentina, Chile and even Brasil.

But they are still our enemies.

East Asians – I have great respent for the East Asian races. Even if we were to go extinct they could carry something on. They are by nature very racist and could be great allies of the White race. I am not opposed at all to allies with the Northeast Asian races.

Patriotism – I hate the sight of the American flag. Modern American patriotism is an absolute joke. People pretending like they have something to be proud while White people are being murdered daily in the streets. Many veterans believe we owe them something for “protecting our way of life” or “protecting our freedom”. But im not sure what way of life they are talking about. How about we protect the White race and stop fighting for the jews. I will say this though, I myself would have rather lived in 1940’s American than Nazi Germany, and no this is not ignorance speaking, it is just my opinion. So I dont blame the veterans of any wars up until after Vietnam, because at least they had an American to be proud of and fight for.

An Explanation – To take a saying from a film, “I see all this stuff going on, and I dont see anyone doing anything about it. And it pisses me off.”. To take a saying from my favorite film, “Even if my life is worth less than a speck of dirt, I want to use it for the good of society.”.

I have no choice. I am not in the position to, alone, go into the ghetto and fight. I chose Charleston because it is most historic city in my state, and at one time had the highest ratio of blacks to Whites in the country. We have no skinheads, no real KKK, no one doing anything but talking on the internet. Well someone has to have the bravery to take it to the real world, and I guess that has to be me.

Unfortunately at the time of writing I am in a great hurry and some of my best thoughts, actually many of them have been to be left out and lost forever. But I believe enough great White minds are out there already.

Please forgive any typos, I didnt have time to check it”.

{ END }

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Here is the link again to Eric Sheppard Jr’s Manifesto

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335 Responses to Report: AME Church Killer’s Manifesto Discovered – Dylann Roof and Eric Sheppard Very Similar….

  1. dizzymissl says:

    I can’t ever get through the manifestos of the crazies. Read the first couple paragraphs and lost interest.

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    • Amity says:

      I’m good with crazies manifestos, but can’t cope with terribly grammar and repeated alternate spelling. So I read all of Roof’s, but bailed about two paragraphs into Sheppard’s.

      Never-the-less, read enough to see that, although their “faces, skin, hair, and body structure” were all different, their brains are “exactly the same”, at least when it comes to fundamental assumptions about race.

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      • Amity says:

        Man, I hate it when I make grammatical errors in the midst of snarking about bad grammar.

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        • TRONGOD2000 says:

          I will avoid making any personal judgement based on this stuff cause I can’t be sure it really did come from either of these guys. BUT, I can’t help but point out something because I think many will overlook it. Eric Sheppard was a student at Valdosta State University! Dylann Roof dropped out of school in 9th grade! Isn’t it amazing that these two documents could prove beyond a shadow of doubt that black Sheppard really did get a pass with lower expectations. He can’t write or spell anywhere near as well as Roof can. (IF these documents are real)

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          • lorac says:

            Roof’s writing has some issues, but yes, I noticed that too (although I believe I read he dropped out midway through his sophomore year). It might be interesting one day to hear “the rest of the story”. Apparently his family is well educated and well employed. Why did the kid stop school, and did the family care….? It would be interesting to hear about that.

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            • jello333 says:

              I heard he went to 6 or 7 schools in the last 6 years he was in school. That can cause ANY kid to have issues (though not as extreme as this guy’s of course).

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              • Litchee says:

                It’s also typical of a psy op protagonist.

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              • lorac says:

                Then again, I guess it would help to know if his family moved at all within that time – even within the same town. If they didn’t, it’s possible his behavior lead to the school changes. What behavior, I have no idea, but yeah, we just don’t have a lot of information to sort out the chicken from the egg lol.

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            • Director says:

              Lawyers right?

              The judge at bond knows his dad and grandfather.

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            • TRONGOD2000 says:

              I may have it wrong on grade level attained. Perhaps I read he dropped after 9th grade rather than in 9th. Either way though, the argument would still be valid. I’m not injecting race but pointing out that students are being passed all the way up to the college level without the knowledge to prove they are learning.

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              • lorac says:

                Oh, believe me, I know it. We get interns working on their masters degree, and the grammar and spelling of some of them are atrocious. Some of their problems are so basic, they shouldn’t have passed out of 3rd grade.

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          • TwoLaine says:

            You beat me to it! DR repeated 9th grade twice, then dropped out. I have a hard time believing that he wrote this.

            BTW, the dog analogy I have read before.

            Reading the other crazy next.

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            • truthseekerr says:

              I thought for a split second that it seems to be a conspiracy but I am still 90 percent in belief he wrote it. Look what is happening to the kids these days. The internet is a place where you can rant whatever. The quietest people I know are the loudest online. If I opened my mouth when I grew up I would get a fist in it! There is no accountability anymore. Anonymous people just destroying each other online every second. The media starting fires and getting lots of people upset. Fox gets neocons upset and cnn gets the libs upset. Seems like all the political bickering now includes racism accusations and this fire is getting big. SMH. Last week I quit news media for 4 days and I was pretty happy! But then someone mentioned Texas pool party and Rachel D and I just had to take a peek and now I’m back to hopelessness for the USA :0

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          • TRONGOD2000 says:

            Bleep21K, Thanks for the “like”. You help me take the color out of the problem and put it squarely where it deserves to be… Our education system. BTW, I have hung and laid a few rolls of catIV myself. Guess that makes us better at understanding one another.

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      • bertdilbert says:

        Roof is smarter than Sheppard. At lest Roof seems coherent. Sheppard goes way off the deep end, pretty much all whites must be killed. Roof seem more like whites must regain control.

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        • lorac says:

          Except – why in the world did he wear a “Gold’s Gym” tank top? A scrawny body in that shirt just looks odd lol

          And – what’s with the Jew thing? He never explains what these bad things are that they’re doing. I’ve never understood why historically, even in America, there are people who act like Jews are these bad people who are conspiring to do – something. What have they ever done but persevere (and not claim permanent victim status) after horrific treatment…? I’ve just never understood it.

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          • John Galt says:

            “A scrawny body”

            and wearing a woman’s watch. Landscaper is a little far fetched. A roll of sod would own him. Occupation = doper.

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            • Director says:

              He’s rolling up his trousers like a Neo-Nazi Skinhead. Thus the boots.

              It’s a pretty bizarre combo. Maybe steroids and some actual gym time would have actually helped.

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          • Amity says:

            Thomas Sowell has an essay in “Black Rednecks and White Liberals” that argues Jews get persecuted because people hate the “middle-man,” because they don’t see how he is producing anything. Because of laws against their owning property and things in Medieval Europe, that was the roles Jews usually played there, but he discusses other “middle-man” groups in other cultures that are also demonized.

            Whether you’ll find it a compelling article, I dunno, but I thought it was interesting.

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          • kathyca says:

            Prefaced by saying I don’t hold this view…a big part of the historical hatred of Jews (or at least the stated excuse for it) is their relative wealth and a willingness to engage in usurious money lending (see, e.g. the Merchant of Venice, where Shylock proposes extracting a pound of flesh in repayment). Also, insularity. jmo

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            • Litchee says:

              Yeah, calling bankers ‘middle men’ is sort of misrepresentative. There were middle men who were tax collectors and merchants, however. European resentment was probably informed by both elements.

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              • So right, Litchee. But there is rich irony in this prejudice against Jews as middle-men. Two, count ’em, two, empires were brought down in connection with expulsion of the Jews. One city caught on in time (Basel Switzerland, middle ages) and called them back before any serious damage occurred to that city’s economy.

                The two empires were the Ottoman and the Spanish. In 1492 Spain, Jews made up almost the entire middle Class – merchants and retailers, bankers, doctors, scholars, small business people. The upper Class “ruled,” and the lower, peasant Class, worked the land, thought at the time to be the only source of wealth and power for the upper Class. When the Jews left or converted (to the upper Class), there was no middle left and Spain quickly shrank into insignificance. The same may have happened to the Spanish Muslims, too, but my history knowledge in this area is very weak.

                And the Ottoman empire? Just after 1492 Spanish Expulsion, the Sultan invited the expelled Jews to come to his realm. He is reputed to have been laughing up his sleeve, as he recognized the contributions the Jews had been making in Spain. The Ottoman Empire flourished.

                But, centuries later, weakened with age and lassitude, the Empire began its vanishing act after Jews had been compelled to leave or convert to Islam a hundred or so years earlier. [Long story – had to do with a false Messiah in Thessalonika. Way too complicated to relate here.] The League of Nations broke up the Empire into multiple nation states which became the modern Middle East, including Turkey and Greece.

                By that time, there were plenty of places for Jews to go, including the U.S., where they enriched whatever society they landed in with music, writing, business acumen and scholarship.

                I seriously doubt the White Supremiecists and Black Nationalists have a clue about this background.

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    • Anubis says:

      I read through it just to see if he stopped at 9 to be a reverse Omar Thornton who killed 9 white people and had not media coverage. He was fired from his job for stealing cases of beer on video and he came back with a gun.

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    • bofh says:

      Life is short, and schizophrenics are plentiful.

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  2. sundance says:

    The NYT article is written by Frances Robles. She explains how she discovered the “manifesto” and website:

    …..” The website was first registered on Feb. 9 to a Dylann Roof in Eastover, S.C. The next day, the registration information was intentionally masked. The site was discovered by two Twitter users, @HenryKrinkle and @EMQuangel, who used a tool to find any domain names registered to Mr. Roof. The registration information was then verified by The New York Times”….

    Ya, sure Frances. That’s all it was.

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  3. ButterCookie77 says:

    Is it just me, or am I the only person that finds the “voice” and language of this manifesto a bit dated for a 20yr old? He refers to blacks as “negros” instead of ni—-s, he makes references to slavery and he says “segregation was good” as if he has lived through it. He speaks in a voice of an older educated black person from the Civil Rights era. He quickly makes mention to George Zimmerman and other statements that would point to “right-wing” thinking on race cases. In short, I am very suspect of this. I am not saying that this is a false flag or that the is not guilty…he is absolutely guilty. What I am saying is that this reeks of a patsy situation with a marxist revolution intentions.

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    • Amity says:

      In my (admittedly limited) experience, young men often write in a very stilted manner when trying to convey something deeply important to them.

      And I’m pretty sure the original document does not use “negroes”, or at least not consistently. I read it elsewhere, and I remember thinking he was using the N-word for sheer shock value. This version may have been cleaned up a bit.

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      • smiley says:

        so this isn’t the original “manifesto” ?
        this is an edited (cleaned-up) version ?
        to be honest, I was expecting to read the deranged rantings of a madman.
        while I completely and totally disagree with the warped viewpoints, I am surprised by his intelligence…potential, gone amuk.
        I get the impression (from this version) that he might read a lot.

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        • Amity says:

          No, I think this is pretty much what I read. I thought ButterCookie meant that n**er had been completely eliminated from it, and that he generally said “negro.” I remembered him saying blacks and the N-word, as this version does.

          And, yes, having read my fair share of nutjob manifestos, I thought this one surprisingly articulate and intelligent. The unsophisticated reasoning of a very young and unhappy kid, but still indicative of logical thought at a level a lot of kids his age haven’t achieved yet.

          Although that very intelligence, combined with his sensitivity and feelings of betrayal, likely made him all the more likely to try to work things out for himself. He knew he was being lied to and didn’t trust anyone in his life with the Big Stuff, so he figured he’d have to sit down and reason it all out for himself, but while he had the potential, he didn’t yet have the tools.

          Of course, the real problem with both these manifestos is that both these young men are trying desperately to find a way to blame the world for their own problems. So neither one is going to give us the real reasons that set them off.

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          • fred says:

            A manifesto like this took research and intellectual reasoning of a high level. What did he read and where. He was on drugs and a moron…. the writing does not to seem so. What date was this written or over a long period. I said the other day the whole case here is too perfect and and fits a leftist narrative too well. Did someone influence him or what writers were his favorite. This manifesto opens some doubt as to who wrote it or helped with it and the planning to be at that church at the right time.

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            • georgiafl says:

              Bill Ayers?

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              • glk26 says:

                That is so weird that is the first person I thought of. I will reserve though on my opinions till it can be verified.

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            • Arkindole says:

              Yep. There are definitely Jensen data in there, and perhaps shades of Auster for synthesis. You just don’t get that from educational programs because it’s generally been wiped by progressives since the 80’s. Pretty few places on the web have that stuff as well, but, it’s out there. And yes, there is a probability of Professor Raoul X.

              If a broken relationship with a black [male/female] is in the mix for an earlier trigger event it also wouldn’t surprise me.

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            • Director says:

              It contains fairly sophisticated elements. He’s obviously researched a few topics and he’s written it in a style that an eleven year old will easily understand. It actually reads like Tabloid Journalism.

              Which is interesting. It’s like reading New York Post or something.

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            • Just sayin' says:

              He’s a socially dysfunctional millennial, but not necessarily a moron. The information contained in that “manifesto” / short essay is all over the race realist / WN parts of the internet, all he’d have to do is read a few blogs or boards to piece it together.

              If it’s a fake it’s a good fake, because that’s exactly what I’d expect him to write.

              The awful truth about our society is more accessible than ever before and keeping a lid on it may start to become worse than allowing open discussion about it. This might never have happened if discussing this stuff in real life wasn’t completely forbidden.

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              • Amity says:

                “This might never have happened if discussing this stuff in real life wasn’t completely forbidden.”

                Truth.

                Another problem is that few kids in their early twenties have had enough experience with success to see the pitfalls of being in a protected class where everyone defends you, and this kid definitely didn’t. Recognizing the truth that the US is essentially subsidizing a protected class, but you can’t talk about it, is a lot less threatening if the person realizing that also knows how damaging it is to be in that sort of protected class.

                If we could talk about it, and if the kid realized that white kids in England who’ve grown up in welfare families are similarly damaged, then the outrage over what the US is doing is considerably muted. It’s still recognizing something that is profoundly wrong and deeply unfair — but that wrong is not so personally offensive, because it’s less personally harmful. The fact that we can’t talk about it means that white kids who are not in the habit of long-term thinking fall into the same trap ghetto kids do: they think the people who get to live off the government for doing nothing are winning.

                And they think that because older, wiser voices have been silenced.

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                • Michelle says:

                  I work for a government agency. When we were still paid by paper checks, our Black payroll clerk would call the Black employees and tell them their checks were available for pick up, a day before the official pickup date, Thursdays instead of Fridays. One particular employee would flash her check about for all to see. One of my white co-workers would march up to the business office and ask for his check, only to be told that checks were not available for pickup until the following day. He used to get really bent out of shape about it. One day, I had had enough of his grumbling and asked him if he really wanted to trade places with the Black employees just to get his check a day early. “They need their checks, I told him, their rent is late, they haven’t paid their bills. They’ve run out of food. Their relatives need money for this and that. You don’t want to trade places with them. The minor perk of getting their checks early can’t make up for their shitty lives, made shitty by their poor decisions and the bad behavior of their relatives. Let them have their checks early. It’s no skin off our backs as long as we do get paid.” He never said another word about it, nor did he ask for his check early anymore.

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        • smiley says:

          oops
          correction : gone awry
          (not amuk ) (!)

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      • georgiafl says:

        He could have plagiarized it…copy/pasted from another site.

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    • Suzy Kiprien says:

      Fully agree with you. His writing skills are very mature for a 20-year old. Quite unusual since 99% of 20-year olds don’t know how to spell, let alone write out a full paragraph coherently.

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      • TRONGOD2000 says:

        I will avoid making any personal judgement based on this stuff cause I can’t be sure it really did come from either of these guys. BUT, I can’t help but point out something because I think many will overlook it. Eric Sheppard was a student at Valdosta State University! Dylann Roof dropped out of school in 9th grade! Isn’t it amazing that these two documents could prove beyond a shadow of doubt that black Sheppard really did get a pass with lower expectations. He can’t write or spell anywhere near as well as Roof can. (IF these documents are real)
        Does anyone know or have you heard/read where Roof has been for the past 4 or 5 years since dropping out of school?

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        • bertdilbert says:

          Just because you drop out of school does not mean you stop learning or you are dumb. I completed 10 th grade got my GED and got a job. As I recall they would not give me my GED until my class graduated or something like that.

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        • Amity says:

          If this document is to be believed, I would guess he spent a lot of time “researching” on the internet. I think his uncle called him “sensitive,” and this document indicates the kind of kid who obsesses on things; those kids research if you give them half a chance. They just don’t necessarily research the things they’re supposed to be thinking about for school! And they also may lack the tools or background information to do a serious analysis of the information they dig up.

          If he’d stumbled on the Treehouse instead of the other place, for instance, maybe he would have figured out that blacks are in the minority, and will likely never be in the majority, nor are they likely to ever “take over.” He also might have picked up a lot of tips on reasoning, logic, and analysis that would have saved him from buying into some of the stuff he does.

          OTOH, he was essentially intellectualizing his problems and finding a way to blame the world for them, so maybe the best education in the world couldn’t have gotten his mind clear. The best logic in the world won’t help you if you insist on using the wrong suppositions.

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      • Director says:

        If you read this in the New York Post you wouldn’t be surprised.

        It’s written at a level that an 11 year old would understand, but conveys information relatively directly and with some sophistication.

        It reads like Tabloid Journalism.

        So

        1 he’s actually bright

        2 he’s had a ghost writer with some experience

        3 he’s copying and pasting

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        • @ Director: If he was copying and pasting, he would have had to have had a very high level of editing ability to make the whole “manifesto” flow as smoothly and logically as it did.

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    • 2x4x8 says:

      Roof learned racial awareness from older folks on the websites, so the manifest is probably wording from others

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    • @ ButterCookie77 – I just hit Ctrl-F and found the N word five times in that manifesto.

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  4. smiley says:

    its a pity this boy made the wrong choices with his life, and the lives of others because he clearly is intelligent, and shows a strong capacity for intellectual reasoning…and he is articulate.
    its a pity to go to waste and to squander on egregious acts of crime, and to be so lost and misquided .
    too bad.
    this is a tragedy, all the way around.
    its also a sad sad commentary on the troubling times we are living in, and a wake up call to parents : pay attention to what is going on with your kids.
    Lord, have mercy.

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    • manickernel says:

      Lost and misguided, yes. I do not see him as all that intelligent, unemployed and living at home at 21. These loners that sit inside on a computer all day and don’t socialize that much tend to see the world as it is presented online and in the media, and a lot of that depends on what they consume online.

      I live only 40 miles from where he did, and I am almost 60. In my entire life I have had maybe two dozen incidents where blacks were a problem, either from just basically exhibiting anger/hate towards me due to being white, or two occurrences where I was attacked. In one of those I really should have been smarter about my surroundings though.

      Weigh that against thousands of daily encounters no different than I have had with other whites. Blacks have gone out of their way to be helpful and friendly either at work or in public far more often than not. One has to keep a sense of perspective not found sitting in front of a monitor all night.

      There is a problem with the BGI and media. There is a problem with black-on-white interracial violence far out of proportion to white-on-black, and the failure of blacks to admit or address it, but it is not some overriding threat to our society. I firmly believe the current administration has set the tone for this and hopefully the pendulum will swing back in the near future. I have watched that pendulum swing a few times in my life.

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      • TRONGOD2000 says:

        I think you come to a wrong conclusion. America is not the only nation seeing an increase in black on white crime. Don’t get me wrong. I really do hate the current administration and I agree it is making things worse here. But, since it is not just here, there is more going on and the pendulum of which you speak is far bigger than what we just see in our own back yard.

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      • Amity says:

        Plenty of intelligent people are still at home and unemployed at 21. They are also prone to this sort of distant analysis of how the world works.

        My theory is pretty much the opposite of yours, however it’s based on a background living considerably further north. I’ve known a lot of white guys who were abused in school by black kids, some of whom went through a seriously racist phase when they were younger. Some of them got past it through knowing good black people, some just worked it through on their own. One of my brothers-in-law, who was not noticeably racist when I first met him decades back, is now strongly racist, to the point where he’ll deliberately bring it at social gatherings and try to convince people he’s right; hubby’s sister says my memory is correct and then he became a racist when a gay black guy at work was sexually harassing him.

        These guys use or used racism as a way to cope with a personal hurt they didn’t want to directly confront that involved a black person, so I’ve been wondering if something like that set this kid off.

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      • glk26 says:

        Yes, but it depends on where you live,and, can you survive that long. Read the RAPE reports in NY in the last week.

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      • bleep21k says:

        @manickernel – well posted. I’m 51 and agree with EVERY word you posted.

        My most “racial” problem occurred in Tennessee (I’m from Ohio and was travelling to Florida with a group of white friends for spring break, EONS ago, the ONLY black in a group of 8 boys and girls) – I was much, much younger. I was chased from a hotel pool by a group of older white men because I was “splashing with the white girls in the pool”. Yet I had a great time in Florida (yes…plenty of drinking was involved, not aware of any gang rapes or shootings though) – who knows, maybe I’m stupid or have a thick skin lol.

        My point is that, as a black man I too have had “incidents” or racism directed towards myself, and I am aware that racism exist even today- but what seems to have died is common sense. The common sense to understand that every individual, whatever race, does not speak for a whole race, nor should be considered a representative of that race.

        This how I would break the BGI…

        Anyway, Roof is responsible for his actions, regardless of how he came to his determinations – racist parents, trouble with previous black friends, bad hair day – whatever!

        FBOMB the back story! FBOMB a Manifesto, FBOMB “Hate crime”, or “Domestic terrorism”…your a patsy? You dumb azz – YOU committed murder – YOU pay the price.

        (Reading some of these post…Its soooo Oliver Stone JFK-ish, and fun!)

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  6. manickernel says:

    A twisted angry screed from a lonely misfit. I did read the whole thing. Most of it is simplistic and/or outright paranoid thinking to self-justify his hate, but there are some truths there. Liberals will hate his disparagement of America, doesn’t fit their narrative of him being representative of neo-Conservatives.

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    • smiley says:

      awfully disillusioned for that young age.
      severely troubled.
      makes me wonder just how many others his age are so lost…and angry.

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      • Amity says:

        One of his friends said that Roof told him fairly recently he felt betrayed by his family, abandoned by his family, I forget the exact phrase, but he was certainly struggling over his family situation and feeling a grave lack of support and love.

        Kids his age are supposed to question and challenge things. His feeling betrayed by one group (the lies of the mainstream media), and then immediately and uncritically embracing the truths of a completely different group is actually pretty typical. The way he’s trying to make sense of complicated issues by oversimplification, and even his determination that this time he’s got it right, also pretty typical.

        His determination to act on these ideas by killing people is insanely unusual, but reading this I can understand why family and friends didn’t see it coming. In many ways, he sounds just like a lot of young sensitive boys with little adult male support who are struggling to figure the world out. The media may present racists as the ultimate evil, but the fact is that many racists whine and rant for years without every attacking anyone, and probably an even larger number of young men slide into racism and then work their way out of it, again without hurting anyone else.

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        • smiley says:

          I would guess some self-loathing mixed in there , as well.
          toxic.
          self-destructive…but turned outward.
          acting out (inflicting) self-destructive motives onto others.
          I wonder if he feels any remorse.

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        • Litchee says:

          Sorry, but if this kid were really so ‘unforeseeable’ then he wasn’t ‘insane.’ Further, one of many problems with the narrative is that friends do report having grave concerns, including one black one, yet not one attempted to get him help or even report him. A black person would generally try to save blacks from an unhinged pro-white murderer.

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          • smiley says:

            something I’ve noticed about him is his almost robotic (hypnotic?) affect.
            no visible signs of rage or anxiety or panic.
            a vacant , sullen stare.
            or a bizarre smirk.
            unsettling.
            and no apparent bragging or boastful behavior.
            there’s almost something self-effacing about him that doesn’t quite gel with the complicated litany of subjects covered in the “manifesto”.

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    • James F says:

      I just read that his sister’s wedding was scheduled for this weekend. Obviously it was cancelled. I suspect the timing of his actions also served to rain on her parade.

      There is no mention of Roof having had a girlfriend, or boyfriend for that matter. That is pretty unusual for a physically fit and attractive 21 year old. Another indicator of how deeply psychologically disturbed this young man was.

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      • Amity says:

        Yeah, I’ve been wondering what sort of relationship he had with his sister since I first heard the wedding date. Especially since he’s supposedly been planning this for “six months” — if it’s true he’s been planning it that long, then the date he picked likely has a meaning to it.

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        • smiley says:

          he internalized things that peeved him, way too much, imo.
          he identified with those issues, or whatever, beyond what is healthy (obviously)…and it just kept escalating, in his mind.
          for some reason, it kind of reminds me of the main character in The Taxi Driver.

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        • Anubis says:

          Someone posted in another thread that it is the one year anniversary for a Charleston Jogger beaten by a pack of 8 blacks http://www.sullivan-county.com/racism/strong.htm
          “Carter Strange was jogging alone in the Five Points section of Columbia, South Carolina when he fell victim to the latest example of sudden black attack syndrome. This is when gangs of young blacks for no obvious reason attack and attempt to murder whites/others”

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          • ackbarsays says:

            Carter Strange was attacked on June 20th, 2011, so the date wasn’t significant. However, I pointed out on another thread that there does seem to be some significance to the Carter Strange incident. Notice the photo of Carter Strange here:

            Now look at Dylan Roof’s face. I believe he was wearing a similar bandage or splint on his nose that night.

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  7. OP says:

    Put the 2 of them in the same jail cell…and make it a reality tv show…HA!

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  8. Tkim says:

    Reminds me of the neo nazi rants. Young men using the word “Jew” as noun, verb and modifier. Israel rigs everything from South Dakota local elections to the scores on Halo. Blah blah blah.

    Belligerent young person blaming someone else for his troubles. Then exploding into full blown evil. Which soft target will be next..

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    • bertdilbert says:

      Not sure what addressing the Jews was all about.

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      • Tkim says:

        Um, neo nazi youths blame Jews. White morons like Roof blame blacks. Black morons like Sheppard blame whites. All if those hate manifestos are insane and place blame about everything on the people they target. Clear?

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      • Amity says:

        The idea that black people are just the evil pawns of Jewish people is a standard trope, going back at least to the KKK in the early 1900s and probably further than that. There’s not much original thought here.

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        • Litchee says:

          Do you have any proof for that contention, Amity? Because my study of the pro-white sphere suggest the exact opposite. The historic stance among towards blacks is that they’re biologically inferior, not ‘pawns of jews.’ Slavery was based on this notion, and jews were disproportionately represented among the planter aristocracy as well as among the slave traders. Roof’s manifesto (or whoever wrote or edited it) does a good job of spinning some otherwise semi-valid points of white advocacy, and you’re doing a fairly impressive job of spinning exposes of it. Hmm…

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          • Litchee says:

            Meant to write ‘historic stance among southerners.’

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          • Director says:

            Neo-Confederate Rhetoric is as you point out. They are on the fence about Jewish stuff. Judah Benjamin was second in command to Jefferson Davis for instance.

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            • Litchee says:

              Even today when/if they criticize jews (most don’t) it’s in the form of ‘yankees.’ ‘Yankee jews’ and ‘yankees’ generally, not ‘jews’ as some categorical abstract concept at all.

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          • Amity says:

            I don’t know what the “pro-white sphere” is.

            All I’ve read is historic stuff on the KKK, and most of that was on their activity in northern states like Indiana. Certainly by the 1920s, they were teaching Protocols of Zionish stuff about the Jews trying to run the world, while blacks generally figured in as their pawns. And heaven knows these ideas are alive and well, and pop up regularly in the comments for things like Colin Flaherty’s youtube channel.

            Why you assume that saying people believe blacks are the pawns of Jews invalidates the fact that the same people consider blacks biologically inferior I cannot imagine.

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            • Litchee says:

              Because I’ve read southern nationalist neo-Confederate type sites and they do NOT see blacks as the pawns of jews, nor do they consider Indiana the South, where the KKK originated. As for Indiana’s KKK history, the only guilt they seem to attribute to jews is once again a function of some ‘masonic-judeo’ conspiracy that has little to do with all jews in total contradiction to the books you cite.

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              • Amity says:

                What evidence is there that this guy followed only southern nationalist neo-Confederate groups? And why are you so convinced that current southern nationalist neo-Confederate groups (what a mouthful!) represent all white supremacist groups?

                I’m not assuming this kid represents any particular group, myself.

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                • Litchee says:

                  For one, Roof’s treatment of jews somehow doesn’t jibe with this certainty you have about ‘Protocols of Zion’ being everywhere. Roof doesn’t even diss the jews other than to say they have ‘an identity.’ Second, the books you feel some need to repeatedly insert into the discussion (which interestingly are only those condemning jews) don’t feature in the debates that rage on these sites.

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                • Amity says:

                  My original point was merely that none of these ideas are new or original. The only original idea I noticed was his suggestion of painting Jews blue, which for all I know he lifted from some obscure Yooper British Israelite group. Why you are so determined to question that idea is beyond me, and your further posts have not clarified anything for me, so I give up on this one.

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                • Both of you are making good points. I’ve seen historical documents from the KKK in a museum that show them linking in Jews to their thinking about blacks back in the ’50’s, but it does seem that modern neo-Nazi types have dropped this in their more public stuff – IMO in order to appear less “old-school”. I can also say that the one Southern boy I met back in the day, who was almost surely a bigger wheel in the Klan, seemed to divide his bigotry about 1/3 Jews and 2/3 black.

                  Sometimes I’m not sure if the trolls who seem to emulate the ’50’s Klan mentality are actual old holdouts, or a bad impression of Klan types based on outdated training materials. I did encounter one such person – clearly a very good informant – who was pushing a kind of Euro-romantic and very subtle Aryan preservationist message to try to get buy-in, but I think it was mostly a discrediting operation. Still, the message would be that everybody realizes the old-school Klan and Adolph-era Nazism simply don’t sell. And with the left becoming more anti-Israel all the time, sharing that aspect doesn’t lead to any kind of useful brand differentiation. Best for them to just drop it. I was surprised that Roof even went there. My guess is that he became a sponge for a new worldview, and he soaked up a bit of the outdated stuff, just to appear knowledgeable in those circles.

                  My opinion from reading his manifesto, centers around the extraordinary damage to young minds from public schooling, BGI/media distortion, and the easily discoverable dichotomy between what is real and what is media. And if there is any point to all the madness, I think it is to point out that Roof – like so many of us – saw the Trayvon Martin case as a betrayal of truth, justice, and honest reporting, at an almost fundamental level. Rational adults can deal with this, although it’s not easy, I have to say, as somebody who expects at least basic truth in media. In Roof’s case, it cut him loose from society, and he became profoundly antisocial.

                  SHAME on the BGI/media complex. They are stirring up the violence they crave, and setting race relations back by decades.

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        • Director says:

          He’s actually quite circumspect here.

          I am now tending to think he’s a Nazi. Or at least a budding Nazi.

          The 1488 stuff is very hardcore. But most Nazis go off the hook with Antisemitic rhetoric. He hints at it, but pulls back from full Nazi pronouncements.

          Give him a month or two he’ll be writing Mein Kampf.

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          • Litchee says:

            This is one of the sketchiest things about it. No one who knows 14/88 doesn’t ‘know’ why the NS people dislike jews.

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  9. ThankYou,Treepers says:

    Murder is wrong. It’s against the commandments of “I Am”, who is God the Father of the Redeemer, the Jew Jesus, who is God and the Son of God, who, before Abraham was born, “I am”.

    Dylann Storm Roof murdered nine times, nine innocents, which is gravely wrong. HIs actions can only be condemned.

    Eric Sheppard, Jr., whose words, acts and hatred are despicable to me, has murdered none that we are aware. Beyond the illegal weapon possession charge, he only exercised his free speech rights. Who knows if he intended to do wrong with the weapon he illegally possessed.

    But honesty compels me to say this. ES’s words written and spoken are illogical to me, nonsensical, and conflict with all my experience while DSR’s words resound exactly the opposite because they are consistent with my experience. But violation of God’s law is never the answer.

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  10. Spar Harmon says:

    Yet another marker of the implementation of the radical progressive agenda.
    Polarities set in conflict… people talking heedlessly past each other… ability to communicate person to person forgotten in a fog of anxieties and distrust…

    “Would the Lord the gift give us, to see ourselves as others see us.” — Robert Burns, a canny Scot.

    I pity this young man, his lostness of mind. I pray the Holy One gains access to his heart before he is executed.

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  11. mcfyre2012 says:

    It’s time to admit that psychiatric drugs don’t work for every case…and reopen mental asylums.

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    • OP says:

      Pharmaceuticals for mental illness mixed with recreational drugs…bad news.

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      • fred says:

        Throw alcohol into that mix and all kind of delusions start working.

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        • Don’t forget video games! I’m not an anti-gamer by any means, but I’m convinced that the combination of youthful mental illness, violent video games, and drugs most likely not tested under that combination, are a recipe for disaster. In programming terms, all you need is for patterns laid down during “training” to manifest IRL, and you have mass murder. Classic sandbox boundary error. I am NOT convinced that violent video games are properly sandboxed in the mentally ill, and psychiatric drugs may, as a side effect or an actual intended effect, inadvertently break down what few barriers are still there.

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  12. Habanero says:

    The essay contains a fairly deep level of contemplation about the big picture, and I suspect we will see more of these types of events in the days to come as the BGI, White House, and media agitate racial tension towards inner-city chaos, but I am a little surprised that Roof didn’t include a screed against Christianity, as he is a troubled 21-year-old. His targeting for the attack was not a gathering of threatening blacks, but a church-gathering. His attack was racial, and it was anti-Christian.

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    • Amity says:

      According to a comment on the Free Republic, he is on the membership rolls of an ELCA church, and they are “ministering” to him and his family. Whatever that means. Going on my experience with ELCA pastors dealing with criminal acts, it doesn’t mean much. But hopefully this pastor copes better.

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    • fred says:

      THAT church at THAT time seems no accident and well planned. Why strike complete innocents worshipping GOD. If he wrote that manifesto then he is very bright and there must be a reason for the choice. Not very brave. if he was trying to start a race war he hit the wrong people. They forgave him on the first day. They won he lost.

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      • oldiadguy says:

        “Not very brave. if he was trying to start a race war he hit the wrong people.”

        Actually his choice of victims, location and timing could well have started a race war.
        However, he didn’t count on one thing. The survivors and the family members of the deceased’s Christian Faith and values.

        “They forgave him on the first day. They won, he lost”

        Christian faith and values overcomes evil. Yes, they did indeed win. He and evil lost.

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  13. Suzy Kiprien says:

    I agree with him re MSM non-reporting of Black on White and excess coverage and victimization of Blacks. When he mentions Europe, yes, a terrible situation, but it’s not the result of Blacks but that of Islamic population, much of it being different shades of Black in Europe.
    Horrid crimes are committed by Blacks against Whites in U.S. and no MSM covers them. Thus, I do understand what made him suddenly flip out. Add to that the Ferguson, Baltimore… and one does feel a profound sense of injustice and powerlessness as a White person.
    This said, I am very open to Blacks, was even with a Black guy for two years who is a highly cultured individual.
    Terribly sad that he addressed the issue the wrong way. Mature in his writing (if he wrote it) but immature in his deeds.

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  14. Swamp Witch says:

    the Daily Beast is crediting Comrade Emma Quangel for finding the Manifesto . Ms. Quangel stated that she saw it “As her communist duty ” To expose him as a racist and not let him use the insanity defense . Searching the internet I see Emma Quangel has written a few racist manifestos herself . So we have a communist and Francis Robles .What next ?

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    • smiley says:

      vipers
      seething vipers

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    • Amity says:

      Seriously? Racists aren’t allowed to use the insanity defense? That’s just silly.

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      • non agenda says:

        There is a lot of ignorant opposition to insanity defense in America, across the board and the political spectrum. It’s equated to loss of moral responsibility, letting people “get away with it”.
        Even more reason when Black Grievance is at stake. If he is insane/lunatic then this is not a great moral stain on America, a political Event, a reason for us all to be ashamed.
        He must be held up as an example of America’s Mind; otherwise, where’s the political payoff?
        Note that touchstone of legal insanity has always been “did not know his act was wrong.”
        That doesn’t mean being unaware of homicide law. It means delusion: it was the right thing to do.
        Also, like the Norwegian, he is so disconnected from reality, he thinks his act will trigger a war for his cause, so achieving his ends. Any sane mind knows it can only have the opposite effect.
        I don’t think Norwegians were unanimous, but they got it right quite easily. This is not about our national morality. It’s about a lunatic.
        Also note immediate Austrian reaction to latest: “Police are not currently investigating terrorism as a motive and the suspect is believed to be suffering from mental illness.”

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        • jello333 says:

          Charlie Manson was another good example (though a little more manipulative than text-book “insane”).

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          • Amity says:

            Even though the insanity plea is about one’s grasp of right or wrong, for some reason my gut says people so good at manipulation as Charles Manson was shouldn’t really have the right to claim insanity. I guess I find it hard to believe that anyone who understands reality enough to be manipulating those around him is perfectly capable of recognizing he’s doing wrong. He just chooses not to.

            Loner punks who can’t cope and have created a fantasy world where they get to be hero, OTOH, seem to me more likely to be truly out of touch with reality.

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            • jello333 says:

              Oh I agree. While I think Charlie had/has many issues, I don’t think any of them rise to the level where he should be able to use them to impact the legal sanctions against him. (And at this point, even if a parole board was ever to reconsider, he doesn’t even WANT to be released.)

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        • Litchee says:

          Most criminals think they have a right to do what they do. A delusion that’s a product of insanity is one that comes out of a though disorder or psychosis, not some entitled psychopath who’s about power. A real delusion would be of material concrete reality, not of the power dynamics between people, otherwise most people could be called ‘mentally ill.’ Thinking you’re god or that an alien poisoned you is a psychosis. Thinking you have the right to take your anger out, whether earned anger or not, on innocent people is a function of character and has zip to do with real psychosis. The world is full of abusers who feel ‘right’ in what they do. Abuse and aggression have nothing to do with mental illness.

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          • Amity says:

            It’s true that criminals take the human tendency to self-justify to extreme levels, but it is still the same sort of reasoning that anyone else uses. They may be the center of their own world, and resent the imposition of real world consequences as unjust, but the world they are living in is still recognizably the real one.

            Insane people, OTOH, have lost touch with reality. Whether they attack someone because they’re convinced that person is psychically torturing them, or they are sacrificing the chosen victims in order to bring in a New Age, they are literally living in a different world created by their own mind. While in that world, they don’t have to justify their acts, because what they did was what had to be done, or what they were created to do. Right and wrong are not really a factor.

            Crimes of passion — which fall under the insanity defense in the US — follow the same rules. Just as the insane person may be compelled to do things by their irrational beliefs, without consideration or knowledge of right or wrong, an abused person or someone shocked by a painful discovery can be compelled to acts they wouldn’t ordinarily commit.

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            • Litchee says:

              Crimes of passion don’t fall under the insanity defense: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-rubinstein/crimes-criminals-and-the-_b_2965998.html

              Your above post is wrong generally. There’s no difference between the ‘self-justifying’ rationalizations or whatever that criminals and abusers make and what you’re trying to spin as ‘insanity.’ Socio and psychopaths don’t have to justify their acts, which is why they’re considered lacking conscience or empathy. These criminals aren’t operating under the same set of rules the non-criminal does; their ‘world’ is no more recognizably real than that of the ‘insane’ as per your definition. True insanity is not being able to grasp concrete reality. It’s not about power dynamics or morality between people at all. You’re trying to somehow separate the supposedly ‘reality’-based criminal from the ‘insanity’-driven one, yet the distinction you try for is only in your head. A separate physical reality in one’s head is a mental illness, not a spiritual one. A separate reality that’s in one’s heart and ego is the province of criminals, and your attempt to try to separate off what you call ‘the insane’ from that group is bizarre. Perhaps an element of some might appear to be a bit more extreme at times, but they are, just like the typical criminal.living according to a set of rules and morality that is selfishly and myopically created and that isn’t legitimate in most people’s ‘worlds.’

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              • smiley says:

                there’s “insanity” and then there’s the “diminished capacity” (defense).
                my understanding is that insanity is being mentally incapable of controlling conduct and unable to appreciate the criminality of that conduct.
                very dangerous…the conscience ( morality/sense of right & wrong) has been compromised by the insanity.
                diminished capacity is basically pleading to a lesser charge.

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        • Litchee says:

          The gun grabbing administration realized after Sandy Hook that americans will never give up their guns, so they began working the ‘mental health/illness’ angle to get around the 2nd Amendment. You’re just falling into their trap, or trolling.

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          • Amity says:

            To quote Robert Farago, “if someone is too crazy to own a gun they should not be walking around in society.”

            The insanity defense and the 2nd Amendment are completely different subjects. Because of how the shooter got his gun, the AME church murders in Charleston themselves are strong evidence that the gun grabber approach does not work. Obama can twist things around any way he wants; going on the response to his efforts after Sandy Hook, most Americans are on to his tricks. He also looks right stupid when AME pastors like E.W. Jackson say pastors and church people “need to arm themselves.”

            If enough black leaders stand up and start telling their people to arm themselves, gun control is done. It was started in the first place way back when by racists, and it may soon be killed (at least for a time) by people’s refusal to be racist.

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            • Litchee says:

              It’s not about the ‘insanity defense,’ it’s the reality that in the wake of Elliot Rodger both California and New York began confiscating guns belonging to people on some list that was compiled based on allegations of certain owners being ‘mentally unstable.’ Yet there is no transparency or due process to the method whereby these people were somehow labeled that way. That’s the point of the ‘mental health/illness’ angle; there is no due or even semi-transparent process to deciding who is ‘mentally ill’ or not, which creates the best way to get around the Constitution.

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          • ctdar says:

            The latter.

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        • georgiafl says:

          Full-blown Islam is insanity. Islam is conditioned inhumanity – compassion and humanity extinguished by ideology.

          We have seen the same with Communism, Nazism…as well as some sects and cults.

          Even Christianity can become dehumanized. There was a time when people were burned at the stake for translating the Bible into native languages…and there was a time that the Western Roman Church did battle (sent mercenaries) to battle the Eastern Church in Constantinople.

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    • This is getting interesting. There is almost Russian-level sketchiness here.

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  15. Justice_099 says:

    Speaking of Eric Sheppard…

    “Sheppard granted bond”

    http://www.valdostadailytimes.com/news/local_news/sheppard-granted-bond/article_285ef5d8-16c6-11e5-a8ea-c31defe16419.html

    *”Parker’s order contains several conditions.

    Sheppard will be required to reside with his mother in Cobb County and will not be allowed to leave the county unless attending court, meeting with an attorney or seeking attention for a medical emergency.

    Sheppard will be confined to his mother’s home between 7 p.m.-7 a.m. each day, a curfew that will be supervised through an ankle-monitoring system.

    The Southern District Attorney’s Office will receive daily reports of Sheppard’s movements, and he will be required to pay the costs of the monitoring.

    Sheppard will not be allowed to be in the presence or near vicinity of any firearms or any other weapon. Any firearms that he or his parents own must be turned over to the Lowndes County Sheriff’s Office before his release.”*

    Do they REALLY think this guy poses no flight (or other) risk after saying that he will not surrender to white authority without death and destruction?

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    • jello333 says:

      He can run, but they’ll definitely be able to track him. A few years ago, one of my sons was on home-confinement for awhile (better than a 30-day sentence for a minor offense 😉 ), and he had to wear the ankle thing. I was giving him a ride to court one day, and on the way we stopped at a convenience store to get some coffee. Just then my son’s cell phone rang and a cop on the other end said, “Where are you? You’re supposed to go straight from home to court.” My son informed him that we just stopped to get some coffee on the way… and was told “Nope, can’t even do that. You won’t get in trouble over this, but just be more careful from now on.” So… yeah. 😉

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    • lorac says:

      But shortly after saying that, he did surrender without death and destruction. He’s a nasty and sick person, but perhaps his bark was worse than his bite. He probably was never in a situation where he had to “prove” he meant what he said. He was a “tough guy” who had never been tested. I wonder if any of his fellow believers felt some betrayal when he meekly surrendered to “white authority” lol

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  16. jello333 says:

    Oh great. Dylann Roof (or whoever wrote this for him) gets it right when he refers to the Trayvon Martin case, and black-on-white crime…. but then he quickly goes off the rails. That’ll give all the GZ haters another excuse to LIE and pretend WE (people like us at the Treehouse) are all wrong and insane about race relations, too. 😦

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    • I was wondering if he would say “Conservative Treehouse”. But that would have been W-A-Y too obvious. Maybe next time.

      The BGI isn’t afraid of sites that simply recount hidden black-on-white crime. They’re afraid of people who question and expose false narratives. They will rain down on CTH eventually. Keep your powder dry and be ready to give them shock and awe when they do.

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      • stella says:

        It helps if you don’t mention this site in your comments about this guy. When found in a google search, they link this guy to us, which is a false link.

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        • jello333 says:

          Aahhh! If you saw my email from last night then yeah… you just answered my questions I mentioned in there. Makes sense, and SORRY guys, never even dawned on me!

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  17. Observing says:

    I don’t agree that Dylann Root’s manifesto is any way at all like Eric Sheppard’s. It is very good that you made them both available for comparison.

    Dylann Root’s manifesto is not crazy. It does not rave, it is not a rant. It is a clear explanation why he was compelled to do a thing that would vilify him and destroy the rest of his own life. The BGI opened his eyes when they openly demanded the murder of George Zimmerman. He then explains what happened when he researched.

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    • jello333 says:

      Yes, he starts off reasonably enough, and he’s obviously right about the Trayvon case and black-on-white crime. But his “solution” is where he goes off the deep end. That and some of the broad-brush racial/ethnic stuff.

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      • Litchee says:

        That would be the point of a psy op – to make what sounds very reasonable and even typical for many people growing in awareness in flight from mainstream media’s lies ultimately demented. That’s exactly what the designers of this exercise want.

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      • Director says:

        The shooting isn’t a logical outcome of the manifesto. IMHO.

        Luckily he’s alive for the moment and some profilers will be able to figure out the core motive.

        It’s too damned abstract.

        Also a 21 writing like that? I doubt it. It’s a little bit too penetrative and forensic.

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      • Jello, I don’t think he came to a “solution” so much as he came to a conclusion; he believed we are headed for a race war and he believed he would step up and be the trigger because no one else would, imho.

        “We have no skinheads, no real KKK, no one doing anything but talking on the internet. Well someone has to have the bravery to take it to the real world, and I guess that has to be me.”

        I’m not saying he was right by any means, but that fine line between solution and conclusion may well be very significant. I’m sure, in time, we’ll hear much more from him.

        I’m concerned for what kind of blowback there will be on this from a political as well as a street perspective. Time may prove he did what he set out to do.

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        • jello333 says:

          So a little like Charlie’s race-war plan, maybe even including a secret pit buried in the desert. Wonder if this guy expected to come out after the battles ended, so he could take charge of the New World.

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          • I actually don’t think he’s near as nuts as Manson was by a long shot. I remember the Manson murders when they happened; they were quite different with the gore involved. I’m not even sure Manson really meant any of his bs about a race war, to be perfectly honest.

            Perhaps Root saw himself as more of a John Connor type, fighting in the face of overwhelming odds. I also do think he intended to be taken alive after the shootings because he’s not done expressing what he believes. He may, in the long run, want to inspire others, and that will be very dangerous for the rest of us.

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    • Director says:

      His Final Solution doesn’t necessarily follow from 90% of what he says.

      But there you go. Bits and pieces of it are objective. But he slips and slides between racial and nationalistic awareness in ways that are unstable and contradictory. A white nationalist won’t necessarily have much truck with a Confederate Battle flag waver. The in’s n outs of the radical politics are very Byzantine. He mentions that Neo-Confederates are mostly whiners and not Nazi enough. so what are his politics? It’s a chimera!

      Given the photos I wonder if he had a handler?

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  18. Lou says:

    I think many people feel the way he do when discussing “White Flight”, but it’s taboo to speak of.
    It’s somehow racist in a PC world. The question of why whites really move is a reality. Many people I know spoke to back in the 1990’s told the truth. The media and the integration police though is looking to integrate all neighborhoods, no matter where you move. Soon Section 8 will be coming to a place where there are 2 working parents with College degrees. just my 2 cents. there is no excuse for what he did, but I do agree with some things he wrote. Violence is not the answer. I think we do hold a lot of hostility inside though. He just didn’t know how to express himself to others on his beliefs. He’s sick and deranged because he expressed himself in a hostile way.

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  19. 1 Cor 13 says:

    No Hope for hatred?

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    • manickernel says:

      Her again. Now that is mentally disturbed.

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      • labrat says:

        I honestly don’t think you’re going to see Ferguson style “peaceful protests” this time. She needs to take her race war elsewhere. It’s not gonna fly this time.

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        • Tkim says:

          Maybe she just needs a tv.

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        • Amity says:

          Speaking of which, didn’t I hear Jesse Jackson was flying down the day after the murders? Was there a plane crash I haven’t heard about?

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          • bleep21k says:

            @Amity – Jesse Jackson realized mid flight that the good people of SC were actually going to;

            “PRAY together, in Christian PROTEST – pray together, for a better WAY, for a better DAY! The good people of SC, both black and white, They are going to pray for a HEALING, and not FALL for that old HATEFUL FELLING!”

            That’s not really useful to him, ACTUALLY praying.

            But…someone tell Mr. Jackson not to worry, I just took care of his part and parcel.

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            • Amity says:

              “That’s not really useful to him, ACTUALLY praying.”

              Well, unless he’s the one doing it, and he’s doing it in front of a crowd. I don’t want to make a call on the state of his soul, but I’d have to say I don’t think many of his prayers actually make it to the throne.

              And maybe Jesse heard about what Pastor Marcus Mosiah Jarvis had to say to Al Sharpton back on the 7th, and was afraid someone might say the same to him!

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    • John Galt says:

      Nathan Dunlap is still alive after murdering 4 crackers in 1993. The libtard Governor Hickenlooper gave him an indefinite reprieve.

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  20. oldiadguy says:

    Here are some of the photos from the Last Rhodesian site.

    I think some of the photos may have been taken at the Magnolia Plantation. Facebook site here.

    https://www.facebook.com/pages/African-American-History-at-Magnolia-Plantation/92095877226?sk=photos_stream&ref=page_internal

    From the looks of the photos it appears he may have visited a number of plantation museums and cemeteries. Any local Treepers recognize the locations in the photos? He was not alone. Someone took those photos.

    Also, the Glock pistol is a G41 gen 4, that comes with three (13 round) magazines. Add the price of the laser and the combo can run somewhere between 600 and 750 dollars. Add the extra three magazines (claims he reloaded five times) and ammo, he seems to had a lot of spending money.

    The numbers 1488 he wrote in the sand is relative to the writings of a David Lane. The fourteen words and 88 precepts. This is pretty hardcore white nationalist stuff. Dylann may have found it on his own, but I suspect that he had a mentor. Also, those flag patches he was photographed wearing on his jacket are not easy to find. Who took those photographs and why did they end up on his own personal website? A whole lot of questions in which the press doesn’t seem to be interested.

    Look at the non-racist topics he mentions in this manifesto. Recognize any of them. What site did yeomen’s work on the Trayvon Martin case? Who has been going after and exposing the BGI? Who has discussed the growing black on white crime? Who has discussed the reasons why so many young black men commit crimes? Any of them sound familiar?

    We are in scary times.

    Take Care

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    • jello333 says:

      “Look at the non-racist topics he mentions in this manifesto. Recognize any of them. What site did yeomen’s work on the Trayvon Martin case? Who has been going after and exposing the BGI? Who has discussed the growing black on white crime? Who has discussed the reasons why so many young black men commit crimes? Any of them sound familiar?

      We are in scary times.

      Take Care”

      Yep… expect us to get a bit more attention in the coming days.

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      • smiley says:

        this “manifesto” needs to be verified.
        did he write it ?

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      • oldiadguy says:

        That is my concern. My “old cop” and “oldiadguy” radar is running in overdrive at the moment. I’ve been going down this rabbit hole the moment I read Roof’s manifesto.

        The “topics” in that manifesto check marked too many agendas items for the left for comfort. Roof may well be just a mentally disturbed individual, but the number of “coincidences” are disturbing.

        For some reason this quote keeps coming to mind.

        “They have a saying in Chicago: ‘Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. The third time is enemy action.”
        ―Ian Fleming

        Take Care

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        • Amity says:

          Is there anyone familiar with the site he mentions, “Council of Conservative Citizens”? All I know about it is what Wikipedia says.

          He says it was the first website he looked at the first time he Googled, but I have done a search for “black on white crime” many a time (generally looking for statistics), and I don’t think it has ever come up for me.

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          • sundance says:

            that name “council of conservative citizens” or CoCC is the sub line to this:

            http://conservative-headlines.com/

            Which I can’t seem to bring up. Is the site perhaps removed?

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            • labrat says:

              Maybe they took it down because it was mentioned in the manifesto?

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            • Litchee says:

              Reports are that the media is camped outside of its main moderator’s house. He probably took it down temporarily. It basically reports black on white crimes and police state abuses, along with some far right/nationalist news from Europe on occasion.

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            • Murse says:

              No, it is just down for some reason. I check that site often for black on white crimes as they spend much ink covering the unreported crimes against whites. Many of the commentators are racist or racialists which is why the site is listed as a hate group. In fact, I often cringe when I read the comments which is a constant rehash of how blacks are worthless.

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          • oldiadguy says:

            I know, I don’t recall it as well and the org is supposed to by located in my area. It did come up as a link to a white nationalist site. That has been the only link I’ve come up with so far. Look at the Wikipedia contributors for that site. Quite a few leftist there.

            Take Care

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            • Amity says:

              I don’t really get who contributes or how at Wikipedia, however I’m sure you’re right, because I’ve long thought it suspect that Colin Flaherty’s book has an entry but Flaherty himself does not. And in the write up of “White Girl,” there’s no mention of aspects of Flaherty’s background which would add considerable credibility to his position in the eyes of many.

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    • Litchee says:

      Notice how the pics are all of him in front of plantation manors, and then of a Confederate cemetery. His manifesto champions segregation but then makes the point that most southerners didn’t own slaves. He’s constantly enamored of these group identities but has no ties with any of the ‘WN’ organizations? Further, the numbers 14/88 are steeped in neo-national socialist (or whatever its called) ideology, which absolutely condemns jews very specifically. My sense is that most southerners who celebrate the Confederacy don’t identify with neo-nazis for various reasons.

      The manifesto sounds like a chorus of different types of ‘pro-white’ strains all chiming in at once. I think it’s rare for any one person to really subscribe to them all. It then does a great job of demolishing any validity some of the strains of thought have, which is strong evidence of a psy op.

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      • smiley says:

        after reading it again, there are places where the vernacular changes.
        for example, in the last paragraph…”..unfortunately at the time of writing, I am in a great hurry….”
        stilted wording…almost as if written, or stated, by someone of another nationality, from another country.

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        • Litchee says:

          The vernacular or idiom changes dramatically. It’s as if he’s this openminded inquisitive young person who on the one hand considers the various points made by these strains of ‘WN’ or whatever, and then turns into some alter ego that switches up tone completely and resorts to pejoratives and stereotypic tropes to discredit each one. Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hide. Also interesting that he never expresses what probably bothers most white americans the most, which is how much money and resources the left drains from them to fund the various diversity-tailored social programs, or affirmative action which has just about fully castrated young white men. Why would a southern white male even bother decrying immigration since it’s not such a problem in Dixie, and further, he defends the descendants of immigrants who got here ‘after slavery’ while photo-oping in front of slave quarters and planter mansions.

          The traditional rap against whites who speak out in defense of any type of white interests is that they were born and raised ‘racist.’ But that hoary myth is fast becoming a debunked anachronism, even in the mainstream’s minds. So now the narrative goes that a white might not have been raised to be a racist, but becomes one by merely apprising themselves of the truth of issues like black on white crime – and that such exploration leads into ‘mental illness’ and homicidality.

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          • Director says:

            An exegesis of the manifesto does suggest multiple conflicting (though radical right) points of view.

            It’s why 20 something’s should keep clear of politics in general.

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          • smiley says:

            “I found myself in disbelief”
            “I was in disbelief.”
            europeans speak like this.
            average 21 yr old American kid doesn’t.
            unless that’s how his family spoke maybe.

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          • Director says:

            You make a good point.

            The local levels of black criminality cannot have been much of a mystery to him. You only need to watch the local news a few times to get it. He also has lawyers in his family. Apparently well known lawyers. So he must have heard table talk about clients.

            He appears to claim that the racists at CofCC are softies. All they do is report local crimes by blacks with a heavy dose of white supremacism. Not everyone’s catnip especially for him.

            I find it hard to BELEIVE that he had no awareness of the astronomical rates of black crime before he found a website.

            What did his folks tell him about his personal safety as a teen?

            What of the gun as a present?

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          • ThankYou,Treepers says:

            “The traditional rap against whites who speak out in defense of any type of white interests is that they were born and raised ‘racist.’ But that hoary myth is fast becoming a debunked anachronism, even in the mainstream’s minds. So now the narrative goes that a white might not have been raised to be a racist, but becomes one by merely apprising themselves of the truth of issues like black on white crime –”

            Since the 1960s the left’s evolving nomenclature assigning evilness to whites gives insight to why BGI operatives like Oprah Winfrey and Michelle Obama have said post GZimmerman acquittal that the dying off of older whites is the only hope for ending racism.

            The key word in the beginning was “prejudice”, meaning whites due to segregation did not really know blacks as individuals or as a culture and were by default of ignorance assuming each individual black conformed to the stereotypes. So whites were challenged to constantly show they were open to blacks and not prejudice against them.

            Then over the course of the 1970s into the 1980s the word “prejudice” faded because it became impossible for the left to accuse whites of having no interface with blacks.

            As whites began to develop personal experience based opinions of blacks as individuals and a group, any negative conclusions expressed could not be called “prejudice”, so the word “racist” came into vogue to assign evil to any white person who expressed an experience based negative opinion of a black individual or blacks as a group.

            Now the problem for the propagandists is that most whites under retirement age have had ample personal experience with blacks, and those who are old enough to remember the 1960s have now reached the age where they have become too wise not to be conservative and they have concluded that the excessive levels of black sexual immorality, dishonor and criminality are the reasons blacks struggle, not white oppression.

            That conclusion is why Oprah and Muchelle want those with the longevity of perspective to have formed it dead.

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            • Amity says:

              I don’t think it’s going to work the way Oprah hopes it will. With the Internet, anyone who goes looking can figure out that it isn’t racism holding black, both because it’s not hard to find out that black immigrants do fine, and because the gap between black and white people with the same backgrounds is so small (and disappears if you add in the number of single families in their respective neighborhoods).

              One problem all progressive have is that it is getting easier and easier to get hold of data on all kinds of things. When the mainstream media was essentially the only media, it was a lot tougher. When you had to go to the library or somewhere to look up the current crime charts and whatnot, it was a lot tougher. Now, if someone hears, “50% of all crime is caused by young black men,” then can go look it up for themselves with a few clicks of a button.

              Years of public school teachings prevent a lot of people from even looking, but OTOH it only takes a few minutes of curiosity to break that barrier. And once someone discovers that something they’d believed all their lives isn’t reality, they can be far more willing next time to question things.

              If enough conservatives on the Internet keep insisting, “Hey, let’s quit worrying about what sounds nice and start paying attention to what actually works — and give up on some of this stuff that hasn’t worked in fifty years,” things could change considerable. I was a raging liberal myself, as a kid. Then my 9th grade government teacher said we could argue in favor of any system we wanted to, but we had to use real world examples. Didn’t take many conversations of him saying, “Yes, that sounds lovely. But when has it ever worked?” for most of us to get the message.

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            • bleep21k says:

              @Thankyou Treepers – BRILLIANT!! I must steal this for my own lol! Permission granted? I’m not sure how I would cite you.

              I did wonder what happened to the term “prejudice”, and those prejudiced people of the world.

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              • ThankYou,Treepers says:

                Permission granted – please use! 🙂

                That’s why all of us come here to this “marketplace of ideas” (a concept I first heard expressed by American Super Patriot Pamela Geller) – to share and then use what we find persuasive.

                You can cite me as somebody who thinks the greatest book ever written in the United States is called “The American Negro” authored by a United States Colored Troops veteran, William Hannibal Thomas, and who’s sophisticated enough among the people to be able to tell with certainty WHT didn’t use a white ghostwriter.

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      • oldiadguy says:

        Don’t forget the South African and Rhodesian connections. The manifesto does not read like it was written by a modern 21 year old. More like a grouping of leftist propaganda talking points.

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        • Amity says:

          I’d love to see his internet history and the books he’s read in the last year. His letter seems to be a recitation of stuff he’s been “drilling” himself on — like he went on a personal deprogramming stint of reading and rereading things he has decided are true — and if the authors he’s reading are older, that could be an influence. I know my writing will sometimes pick up the style of people I’ve been reading.

          Heaven knows things like The Protocols of the Elders of Zion and Mein Kampf are constantly being “rediscovered”, for reasons which entirely escape me, so I assume there are other “classics” popular in the groups that appreciate that sort of thing and that one of them might be a favorite of his..

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        • smiley says:

          Rhodesian handler maybe ?

          something else that seems odd is the difference in his facial appearances, when compared from one photo to another, in certain photos.
          maybe he has a double.

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      • oldiadguy says:

        I know, I suspect it will be guilt by association. A stretch I know, but I expect one the left will try to make. Roof wouldn’t have gone over the edge if they hadn’t exposed the truth.

        Scary Times. Take Care

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    • Sassy says:

      So his online photos were on the national news with commentary about him holding guns and wearing racist logos. When was the last time you saw social media photos of the likes of Trayvon, Mike Brown, or Vonderrit Myers on the news, with commentary about how they idolized guns and drugs and made racist statements? Roof’s race was immediately mentioned, yet in most news stories of black-on-white crimes, if they’re even reported, race is omitted and must be deduced. Hate crimes are not charged even when black attackers use racial epithets against the white or Asian victims. I’ve read stories that omit “alleged” when talking about Roof, and have even seen him called “killer” with no “alleged”.

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    • ytz4mee says:

      Well, no one is talking about Rachel Dolezal and the angst that was creating or the tangled threads of influence in the McKinney and other pool parties adventures with the threat of exposure for those entities that unbiased investigation started to uncover now, are they.

      How …. convenient.

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      • jello333 says:

        You know who mentioned exactly that to me earlier today? My wife. Just through osmosis, just from me hanging out here and relaying to her what we talk about and discover here… just through that, she has gained TONS of knowledge (and yes, PASSION) about the issues we’re dealing with. And if anything, at one time she was even more liberal than I ever was.

        Anyway, yeah… not that she thinks this church shooting wasn’t real, but she very much wonders at the timing of it all. (You’d have to know more about her, and that she was only 16 when we got married many, many years ago, to understand just how proud I am of her.)

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      • oldiadguy says:

        Yes indeed. How convenient.

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  21. xctrekker says:

    Hi…
    a couple of curious things –
    a whois shows that the dns and host are in russia.
    the admin shows a company in queensland that privitizes information on owners.

    it’s a little too well thought out to keep the poster anonymous, as one can simply get space on a hosting company very cheaply in the U.S.

    also, a search for key words in the text show up 2 days ago, not prior

    https://www.google.com/search?q=lastrhodesian.com&gbv=2&source=lnt&tbs=cdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A2%2F10%2F2015%2Ccd_max%3A6%2F14%2F2015&tbm=#q=council+of+conservative+site:lastrhodesian.com&tbs=qdr:m

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    • sundance says:

      OK. That’s sketchy.

      Russia is also the home address of the twitter source who originated the info to Frances Robles.

      The site having an update post arrest is sketchy too.

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    • Litchee says:

      Yeah, why would he go to such lengths to hide his identity when he planned to be very public? This story is full of inconsistencies and contradictions, on top of very suspect timing.

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    • manickernel says:

      The site is obviously getting hammered. Tried wayback but no history on there.

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    • 7delta says:

      The NY Times recently ran an article about “The Agency”, a disinformation unit in Russia that latches onto current news in the U.S., then constructs wild tales. May explain the odd “voice” or “European” word choices in the manifesto. I’m sure they could hack some pictures. Then again, it could be the shooter’s. The Russian angle would be interesting to investigate though…for those who know how.

      http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/07/magazine/the-agency.html?_r=1

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      • smiley says:

        yes…the Russian angle has crossed my mind, 7delta.
        a wild possibility, for sure !
        but they are very good w/ psyops and disinfo.
        imo, the wording and English might indicate euro involvement at least re manifesto.
        or so it might seem.
        just a hunch.

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    • Janie M. says:

      xctrekker, I clicked onto the link you posted and the site “here” came up on google. However, I use WOT (web of trust) a Firefox and Chrome add-on that lets you know a site is safe to access. Green- good, Yellow- possible problems, Red- possibility of picking up viruses, getting hacked and other bad things, so I didn’t click on it. 😦

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  22. oldiadguy says:

    The marks in the sand above and below 1488 are also white supremacist symbols.

    They are on the “Blood and Honor forum.”

    The “Council of Conservative Citizens” is linked to a supremacist site.

    The “Northwest Front” is also linked to the same site.

    His computer and cellphone should have some very interesting information on them.

    Take Care

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    • Director says:

      If you look at what he says it’s similar to a Elliot Rodgers manifesto.

      A young man who stumbles across a few “truths” let’s say, and then decides he’s got all the answers to the gripes about interracial rape stats, murder stats, immigration and the people who belly ache about such things are not hardcore enough.

      Elliot Rodger stumbled accross Pickup artistry (where hapless men learn a few lothario tricks) and decided her massacre the “alphas and sluts” who were having all the fun.

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    • John Galt says:

      There must be some significance to that stained shirt.

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    • TwoLaine says:

      It looks like the same background as many of the all of ISIS creeps, supposedly with their prisoners/hosages to be beheaded.

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    • ytz4mee says:

      What is on the logo of the shirt? I am unable to embiggen enough to see.

      FWIW, most kids really into this stuff wear the Doc Martens with the red shoe laces, even if they don’t buy into the whole neo-Nazi schtick. So far I have seen no evidence of any real allegiances/affinity to this type of belief system other than some staged photos and a suspect online “Manifesto”.

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  23. sundance says:

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  24. smiley says:

    does he have a lawyer yet ?

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    • John Galt says:

      Yes, there was one present in the court room for the hearing where Roof appeared by video.

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    • 7delta says:

      His grandfather is a prominent real estate lawyer in Columbia. Don’t know if they’ll use a public defender or find a private one.

      I’m still curious about the Storm middle name. Wonder if his mother has a link to Rhodesia/ S. Africa? I’m aware of several families who moved here from S. Africa, maybe 20-25 years ago, when they no longer felt safe there. Very British.

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      • Director says:

        He doesn’t mention ancestry of any sort.

        I’d have thought it would have come out by now.

        He’s latched onto a legitimate problem about post apartheid SA much like he’s latched into Neo-Nazi symbols and Neo-Confederate symbols, failed to contact any activists in those rather naughty movements and then he jumps right to gunning down a church.

        There are big big gaps to explain here. He’s fighting battles in his own mind that are the battles of other peoples.

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        • 7delta says:

          I’ve not seen anything about any family ties to S. Africa either. You’re right that the battle in his head could have taken him anywhere. Drug use also snaps wires and rewires. Just some odd coincidences.

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  25. crispyjoe says:

    Oh well, so much for my theory that Roof was just a smart mass murderer who decided to add the racial element to his crimes to generate more attention and drama.

    I guess I was just grasping for straws hoping that some of the air can be let out of this massive political balloon. This is such a damn gift to Obama and the BGI. And it’s a gift that will keep on giving with court appearances and interviews in the future.

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  26. pspsst says:

    A youth in turmoil already in a poor economy, unable to find work as a high school drop out, suddenly beset by the realization that he has been lied to and betrayed by “the adults”, “the media”, “government”, “a black president he most likely voted for” in 2012 since his family is more liberal than Conservative, and the racist jokes he and his black friends traded had to have turned ugly under the past 6 years of hate-indoctrination based his skin color. His comments about Jews show he was liberal indoctrinated. This was no boy raised as a Conservative. He was a liberal indoctrinated by liberals — who turned in anger and went to the other side (adopted by white supremacists the same way lofos got indoctrinated by Obama and Holder to be black supremacists). That he had access to drugs is telling. Who promotes choom as a reasonable way of young adulthood – Obama and his ilk.

    A good child can be turned by illicit drugs – it takes over their senses and judgment. Illicit drugs don’t happen on their own. Supply occurs via persons and hanging around the wrong crowd. This killer was raised a liberal and hung around bad types. His father allowed him, maybe even encouraged him to pretend hanging around black high school dropouts as a sign he was non-racist. This is the “new religion”. He found out he was used. I’m reminded of Stanley Ann (male name given by her father) who was probably used by the Communist fraternity including Pops Frank Marshall and Grandpa Stanley sharing a toke, and passed around to prove grandfather wasn’t a racist.

    If the manifesto is to be believed. Roof could very well have been an intelligent “kid” and unable to finish high school due to drug use or other problems, to have written his manifesto. I don’t believe he wrote it on his own without a “mentor” too. Similarly it could all be a hoax. I give it 20% real/80% hoax and set up with Roof a willing participant and useful tool for drugs and a gun payoff.

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  27. archer52 says:

    A couple of clean ups here.

    I figured that Roof was responding to something. His picking mature blacks in a church seemed odd if he were a victim of a beating. But sometimes you overlay assumptions onto other people. Unstable people make decisions that are rational to them, but not all the time to us.

    However, it does not explain what we clearly saw, he appeared injured. That is yet to be discovered.
    Roof is far too young to have developed this plan. Pinckney was targeted. Yes, Pinckney had been a South Carolina voice in this BGI effort for a long time, in politics since 23. But even that shouldn’t have been enough. So where did Roof get his ideas and plan? He had to learn schedules and planned ahead.

    Yet to be discovered.

    The MSM, as represented by the author of the article in the WPost I read, doesn’t not or worse, refuses to see what you have pointed out here, that after fifty years of working to rid ourselves of racism it is still firmly entrenched in our society. Now we are reliving literally the sixties and early seventies all over again.

    It is not black or white racism. It is racism involving three major races of people; whites, blacks and Hispanics (who are curiously standing on the sidewalk watching this meltdown.) And each group is encouraged by our leadership to see the other group as separate. We are seeing young blacks demand to be segregated from all others in schools and colleges, so much for that old Brown vs the Board of Education… .

    Whites seem to feel the least racist, I’m sure because of being told they have to make up for their prior generations sins, but are being figuratively beaten about the head and shoulders every day, so that “nicey-nice” stuff may soon tire. Hispanic activist feel all whites and blacks are “invaders” in their land and want them kicked out (and of course forget who they took the land from, but where’s the fun in really knowing history, right?).

    And the leaders of each segment almost gleefully push all the buttons they can. Again, I have no idea why. It’s not like they can’t fly off to Mars when it goes south. They will have to live in the world they created. Just dumb. Destructively dumb.

    And when the money runs out, it will be a hundred fold worse than the sixties. We’ve bred generations of takers, without conscience, but filled with entitlement, that will simply destroy anything they can in anger if they don’t get their way. This isn’t a color thing as it is a culture thing. It won’t be race, class, age, or gender, it will be “makers vs takers.”

    Look at the crowds in Greece. Everybody “wants theirs” without effort on their part.

    Already some in the British financial markets are making noises to get your money out of banks and go liquid for a while, with gold and other options also available. If the markets go south again, people are going to lose their minds. This will be a long hot dangerous summer, followed by an equally long and dangerous year. I hope not, but I fear my hope is misplaced.

    Finally, I can’t tell you how upsetting this is to me. In the end, it was supposed to be better now- for my childrens’ sake! But I caution them, as they stumble around this world totally clueless, that things are not as good as they seem, and to be careful where they are, who they are near, and what those people are doing. Be aware.

    I know they hear me, but I think sometimes it is like I’m Peppermint Patty’s teacher on Charlie Brown “wahh wahh wahh.”

    And when I speak these words, it feels like acid on my tongue. After all we’ve done, as Sundance pointed out, NOTHING has changed. You can point to a specific moment in our history and say “This is where we went off the tracks for the final time.”

    If visitors from an advanced alien civilization were to come down and view us for the last sixty years, deciding on whether or not to let us live, they’d shake their heads and push the button.

    And I wouldn’t blame them one damn bit.

    (I’d just ask them to aim at D.C. first!)

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    • jello333 says:

      Yeah, if I was designing the route for a new intergalactic superhighway, I probably wouldn’t have any problems with running it right through this place called Earth. 😦

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    • sundance says:

      If you want to point to a place, a specific moment in time when it began reversing, you only need to look as far as Ryan Julison entering the stage.

      Why do you think that specific set of moments caught our interest?

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    • ytz4mee says:

      *O/T : As a note of caution, be careful about compiling any assumptions about Greece as advanced in the global corporate press – especially when it comes to the meme of Greeks being “lazy/entitled”.

      A thinking person would question why the EU/IMF position towards the Ukraine is so diametrically different from the position adopted towards Greece. Who is a major investor in chaos in the Ukraine, and is waiting for their “investment” to pay dividends? And, who profits from uncontrolled chaos if Greece is driven to economic ruin? Nothing happens in a vacuum.

      I am working on an update…

      http://stopshouting.blogspot.com/2015/04/5-myths-about-greece-banksters-need-you.html

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  28. Director says:

    Who’s taking these pictures?

    It’s almost like there is a handler posing him.

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    • John Galt says:

      The feds leaving the site up seems a little strange.

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    • oldiadguy says:

      That was my thought. There is someone else the police need to locate and question.

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      • Director says:

        Could he have done all these pictures himself?

        I guess it’s possible. But these images are heavily posed.

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        • oldiadguy says:

          I don’t see how he could have taken the photos himself. The photos are evidently posed and he is well centered in the photos. His flag patches were carefully evident in the photos as well.

          The photo on the beach with the numbers 488 and white supremacist symbols, a version of the Celtic cross on top and the Odin rune underneath, being washed away by the tide. That is a bit artsy. I don’t think he was the photographer.

          Take Care

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      • ytz4mee says:

        IMO he shouldn’t be in custody in the local lockup – he should be in a secure psychiatric facility. I think much more would be inadvertently gleaned from him in that environment.

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    • pspsst says:

      The white supremacist is not a Conservative Christian.

      The white supremacist is a liberal like ‘blackface’ Obama, Bill Clinton, LBJ and Islamic nationals who panders to the meme that blacks are inferior and hence need welfare and can be used like useful idiots. The white supremacist is a hater of Israel in the same vein.

      Roof killed Black Christians in a Church, this is thoroughly a liberal endeavor and white boy liberal was used in exchange for free drugs and a gun. The letter is badly written, a hoax like Rachel D, same amateur hate written in reverse, portraying stereotypical and unbelievable “War Pig” stupidity. There is political agenda behind it, a true crime, and the farcical nature of these desperate hoaxes killed black god loving Christians in a two for one deal. Get rid of guns, screw ‘white’ people, kill a few dispensable blacks in disfavor and create more chaos.

      The black Christians murdered in Charleston were more similar to Kenyan Christians will killed by Obamas musllim cousin (I momentarily forget his name).

      The victims triumphed over the hoax and Americans on both sides were brought together.

      “Unexpected Consequences”
      “Egypt”
      “Charleston, South Carolina”

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      • ytz4mee says:

        Obama’s anti-Christian muslim cousin is Raila Odinga.
        http://canadafreepress.com/article/4353
        My DH had a work colleague who runs a mission in Kenya. Before the 2008 election, they tried to warn people in the US about the Obama-Odinga relationship and the mass atrocities that were being carried out by Odinga supporters.

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        • pspsst says:

          Odinga – that’s it! What struck me as evil at the time is there were confirmed reports and photos of Obama supporting Odinga — was it before or after the church burnings? Nevertheless, Obama refused to speak out against this muslin-instigated, political crime and genocide of black Africans because they merely refused to his cousin. It was a huge red flag. Sadly, black lives matter the least to Obama. A case of black genocide right here in America is this Swampthing in the Office.

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  29. James F says:

    Anyone intelligent enough to write this manifesto would also be smart enough to realize that choosing to murder innocent unarmed black people at a Church would have the exact opposite effect he supposedly intended.

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    • Director says:

      I agree.

      He has to know he’s going to be disavowed by the racist websites he’s mentioned for example.

      Reminds me of Elliot Rodgers mentioning PUA websites like ROK or whatnot.

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      • Amity says:

        Intelligent and rational are not the same thing. He is just as likely to think he will be hailed as a hero and savior by the people on those websites.

        And, personally, I am at a loss to guess what kind of murders WOULD start a race war, although I do agree with James F that shooting elderly Christians in church should be at the bottom of the list of possibilities. But his supposed original plan of shooting kids on campus would be right down there with it.

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    • jello333 says:

      That’s the first thing I thought. Why would he not have gone after some NBPP members? Or maybe even tried to get past “Reverend” Al’s body guards in one of his many public appearances? Rather, the targets he DID choose were… well, as we can see, almost EVERYONE (of all races) is condemning him for it. Even from a “racist” perspective, it makes no sense that he did what he did, to and where he did it.

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      • jello333 says:

        Just a note for future reference: My above comment (which I assume will show up shortly) got stuck in the Spam filter presumably because I used the term “N.. B… P…. P” (minus all the dots). I just wanted to point that out so that people would know to try some other variation of the word/term when the subject of those scumbags comes up.

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      • jello333 says:

        Sharon, Stella, or whichever mod has to fish this out… SORRY. I keep forgetting that using the “N… B… P… P” acronym is a Spam trigger. I shall TRY to remember! 😉

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      • Amity says:

        You’re clearly better than I am in figuring out who to murder to start a race war. Not that I think your targets would work, but they certainly make more sense than the ones he chose.

        OTOH, I cannot imagine a cowardly mass murderer (which is all of them) taking on a target like the New Black Panther Party. He probably saw Reverend Al’s body guards as pretty scary as well.

        But mostly I think it was his race war fantasy, and in his race war fantasy, killing whatever soft targets he could get at would do the job.

        Or maybe his reasoning was that killing elderly black people would incite other black people into attacking whites in enough numbers the whites would actually fight back. While he grumbles considerable about the fact that whites are not dealing with the current attacks they’re enduring, he also believe that, if they would just make an effort, they could do the job. His goal was to make white people quit ignoring the threat and putting up with the abuse and to take blacks on.

        Only it probably wasn’t, really, if his first plan was to attack the college. But I can see where attacking elderly black people would make sense to a guy with his combination of beliefs.

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        • lorac says:

          One of his friends, I believe, said that he expected to die. I’m not sure that he wanted to be a martyr, and maybe not even to be caught. Perhaps that was said, if it was said, before his planned-location change. Colleges have security and the potential for lots of witnesses who could quickly call 911 (especially because youths’ best friends are their cell phones). Churches having an evening bible study with mainly older folks, and only 10 of them at that – maybe not so much.

          Choosing the softer target suggests perhaps that he expected to be able to get away. To what, who knows. He didn’t even think to cut off the mop top, which may have helped him blend in in the 60s, but not now. I wonder if his “photographer” had assured him help with a getaway to a safe place.

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      • BitterC says:

        Why didn’t he go after a different target? he kind of explains it here:
        I am not in the position to, alone, go into the ghetto and fight. I chose Charleston because it is most historic city in my state, and at one time had the highest ratio of blacks to Whites in the country. We have no skinheads, no real KKK, no one doing anything but talking on the internet. Well someone has to have the bravery to take it to the real world, and I guess that has to be me.

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        • Litchee says:

          There are plenty of places one could find gatherings of blacks, especially young males, that aren’t in ‘the ghetto.’ His choice of target is beyond suspect. It’s totally illogical. Old church ladies aren’t ‘raping white women.’

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  30. Lordchamp says:

    In reading Roof’s manifesto, if it is his writing, my immediate thoughts were this is the conversation we need to be having in this Country but never will because it’s “politically incorrect.”

    That this young man felt he had to kill as a way to fix the situation speaks volumes about what is currently wrong with this Country. You can sense the frustration and hopelessness throughout the entire document. He ended feeling he had no other options available to him. How many others out there on both sides of the race issue are now feeling the same way. I dare say many more than anyone wants to admit. It will only take a few of them to start something even more horrendous than Roof’s actions.

    Unfortunately, his reaction is based on human nature too. If a human is constantly bombarded with a situation they do not want to be in but yet forced to be in, we will seek any way possible to get out of it. Eventually, if things get bad enough, we could even convince ourselves that even murder is better than the situation we are in. Of course, as in all things human, some have a higher level of tolerance than others.

    My point is, we, as a people, are no longer talking seriously about issues that affect us. We have a government that shoves race down our throats constantly which only serves to alienate even more, no matter what “side” you are on. Race is only one of the issues we need to confront.

    History has proven over and over that you can’t legislate morality. If you try to force it on people, they tend to do the opposite. It’s not the government’s responsibility to deal with morality or race. Like everything the government touches, they have screwed that up too. Probably intentionally. In fact, it’s unconstitutional for the government to deal with such things as it is outside the scope of their enumerated powers. Yet we continue to allow it.

    I shake my head with sadness and grief at the loss and waste of 10 lives in this incident, uselessly thrown away and many others touched in ways we will never know.

    There is evil in the world, I believe that, but we created this evil by not stopping it, by letting it fester. We allowed our government to facilitate it and even to encourage it. We all hold a level of responsibility for not speaking up loudly.

    There will always be hate in the world as long as there are 2 or more humans alive. We don’t have to help it along though and that is exactly what our government has been and is doing, with our blessing.

    In trying to end segregation we have become more segregated. In trying to become less racial, we have become more racial. In trying to become less discriminatory we have become more discriminatory. All this because the government overstepped it’s authority and tried to force all this on us as a society “for our own good.”

    So how’s it working out? Not too good, I would say as I believe many of you would too.

    These are community and State issues. They can’t be dealt with on the scale of an entire nation. It’s impossible without first dealing with it on a smaller scale, THEN the larger scale will by default be taken care of.

    My prayers are with all the families that were involved in this incident but my prayers are also being offered that we will wake up and stop more incidents like this from happening by getting government out of these discussions and having them between ourselves face to face.

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    • nimrodman says:

      I appreciate your commentary – a couple of points resonate with me in particular:

      “We have a government that shoves race down our throats constantly …”

      “It’s not the government’s responsibility to deal with morality or race … In fact, it’s unconstitutional for the government to deal with such things as it is outside the scope of their enumerated powers. Yet we continue to allow it.”

      “… the government overstepped it’s authority and tried to force all this on us as a society “for our own good.”

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      • Amity says:

        These excerpts boil it down nicely. The conversation we need to be having is what the government’s role should be, and, in particular, about the fact that the government in it’s disciplinary role is currentlly going after thought crimes instead of dealing with actual criminals.

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        • Lordchamp says:

          There doesn’t need to be ANY government role in these issues, at least at the federal level. The behemoth that is the federal government can in no way effectively deal with these issues. The best they can do, which they never will, is to facilitate the States and local communities by remaining neutral and quiet.

          The federal government has failed at everything it has tried to do with respects to legislating morality.
          They failed at the “war on poverty”.
          They failed at the “war on drugs.”
          They failed at “civil rights.”
          Their only success, at least to this point, is the “war” on religion.

          That is where the law of unintended consequences comes to play. By succeeding in the “war” on religion, that meant failure in all the other areas. You can’t have success in moral areas without some standard. Religion provides that standard. It has throughout history. Generally, a religious society is a civil society.

          Race relations are moral issues.

          At this point, we really have only one option to stop this from progressing further. It’s going to require the “silent majority” whether they are still a majority or not, to stand up as one voice and say NO MORE. We tried it your way and failed. Now it’s our turn.

          The pastors and the churches must again stand up and do as they are commanded without fear of reprisal. We need to tell the government to get out of our business so that we can deal with it. We need to ignore their rules and follow the laws of nature and nature’s God. Yes, using civil disobedience if necessary and it will be necessary at this point.

          The government had their chance and they failed. They brought us to this point, probably intentionally.

          Without these actions, I see no other path except the one the government has set for us, which is a race divided Country, very probably in some form of race war, which it seems is exactly what the government wants unfortunately.

          The choice is ours. Race war or the standards of Christianity back in our Country.

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  32. Millwright says:

    I can’t but keep wondering why all those now coming forward claiming personal interaction with DR and direct knowledge of his intentions didn’t do anything ! We’re already hearing, (and will continue to do so) all manner of anti-gun rhetoric from our ‘social engineers’ but from my perspective ‘all their demanded social engineering tools were in place, but failed in performance’ !! From over fifty years observation its isn’t hard to discern government cannot replace individuals’ social responsibility when encountering matters of concern to us all. How is reporting DR’s actions and statements different from reporting a fire ? Or a suspected rabid animal ?

    Our ‘Nanny Government’ proponents will never acknowledge failures – no matter how egregious – of the concept. Instead, they see failures as ‘reasons’ for ever more intrusive controls .

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  33. famousprince says:

    For so long there have been nuts both black and white who seem to think it is this nations destiny to have a “race war.” I believe the war between the states could pretty much be described as such, so that war has already been fought. Now it’s just quibbles over perception and public policy. And to dsp above, who seems to believe this website will be some sort of smoking gun in Roofs arsenal, I doubt it. A website that often opines that some black people are annoying, presented in the midst of a plethora of other news items, is unlikely the sort of thing a wannabe white supremacist would be attracted to. The idea that political jibes and innocuous statements like telling publicists and pundits to stick a sock in it would be equated with racist supremacy is a good example of how exaggerated pandering has become in this nation. Yes, it exists on all sides, such as FOX news pretending there’s a war on Christmas, but when in Rome, I guess.

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    • Director says:

      Roof would call this website “lightweight”.

      He called an explicit racist website CofCC lightweight.

      Roof is in direct competition with Quantrell or Kapitan Roll.

      The guy went from barely registering race to final solution in an implausibly rapid progression.

      The FBI will fill in the gaps I guess.

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      • manickernel says:

        What interested me is where he diverged from typical white supremacy. He considered white women in inter-racial relationships “victims” that should be saved. He admired Asians for racial purity and thought they could be allies. He considered Jews a problem and an enigma. He also thought they could be saved, albeit unwilling, by exposing them or painting them blue.

        He was conflicted on Hispanics. Overall still considered them the enemy.

        Pretty much clear-cut on his views on Blacks.

        He viewed himself as The Savior, or at least one to lead the way.

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        • Amity says:

          I’m not sure there is a “typical” white supremacist. That term covers everything from British Israelists to neo-Nazis to neo-Confederates to the KKK. Obviously they overlap considerable, particularly the last two, but at the same time there seems to be a lot of differences at least the people involved see as significant.

          Consider the variations between all the denominations and cults that claim to be Christian, and with Christianity there’s an official text!

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      • ytz4mee says:

        You meant the FBI will backstop the gaps they left, amiwrite?

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  34. dizzymissl says:

    Newer interview with one of Roof’s black friends:

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    • Amity says:

      I have no idea how honest any of the people involved are, but I love the way most of them won’t play into the media’s attempts to claim “Racism racism racism everywhere, and that explains everything bad that happened here.” It’s like they all teamed up to say, “we are going to do everything we can to prevent you from turning our city into Ferguson or Baltimore.” Harder to twist a story when no one involved will play the victim game.

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    • kpm58 says:

      Roof slept at this guys home. I would assume used the bathroom in this guys home. And have no doubt shared blunts with this guy. No ultra racist white supremacist is going to do that unless they are forced. And Roof was not forced. It is like there are two different people acting in two different ways.

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      • Amity says:

        “It is like there are two different people acting in two different ways.”

        Interesting thought. Jogged my memory, so I did a quit google and came up with this:

        “Clinically, “splitting” refers to the tendency to view people or events as either all good or all bad. It is a way of coping that allows a person to hold opposite, unintegrated views.”

        Which is from a book I don’t believe I’ve read (“The Courage to Heal:”), but is a concept I’ve certainly run across before in discussions on the repercussions of trauma.

        Maybe his wife wasn’t the only one this kid’s father beat on.

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    • sundance says:

      For someone they call “a loner”, the media sure is able to find a bunch of his “friends” to interview. 😉

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  35. maggiemoowho says:

    I don’t believe that Roof wrote that manifesto, this @Emquangel who paid the 49.00 for a reverse IP adress and happens to find a manifesto from Roof, has a link to Manyfesto.org connected to her twitter site. She says she is a communist and her twitter is all about doing away with White supremacy. I hope this person is investigated by the authorities to make sure they are being truthful.

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    • maggiemoowho says:

      Forgot to add, @emquangel is a Writer/Author, Roof’s alleged manifesto reads like he could have had a little help from a Writer/Author.

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      • georgiafl says:

        AND the photos were obviously done by a professional photographer. Pictures and manifesto seem like a propaganda newsletter article.

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      • Swamp Witch says:

        Comrade Quangel is also selling a fictional book on Amazon ” Spooks” dystopia .by E.M. Quangel . I don’t trust her at all and would not be surprised if she knows who wrote it .

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    • maggiemoowho says:

      @emquangel and @henrykinkle (the two who “found” this alleged manifesto of Roofs) are Tweeting buddies of Shaun Kings. Big RED Flags!!!!

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      • jello333 says:

        Shaun King is slime… among the worst anti-white white (not sure if he’s mixed race) racists I’ve ever seen. Possibly even worse than Tim Wise. Just one of many reasons I’m glad I got away from DKos before that scumbag moved in.

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    • ytz4mee says:

      I hope this person is investigated by the authorities to make sure they are being truthful.

      That was funny … but also sad, because I believe that you are sincere about this.

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  36. Burnt Toast says:

    The guy is an underdeveloped gamma male neo-nazi wannabe who went full montie.
    Bluntly, I had expected some economic aspects in his ‘manifesto’.

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  37. angiepangie0 says:

    I came across this site looking for answers shortly after the Micheal Brown shooting. I needed answers and I found them. My eyes are open. I lived my 20’s and 30’s very blind. It’s not liberal versus conservative, it’s a matter of right and wrong. I am grateful for all the information this site offers. Thank you! Thank you all!

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  38. Donald Joy says:

    At this point I’m half inclined to think he wrote it, half thinking someone is hoaxing us.

    What troubles me, other than Roof’s despicable tactic of murder, is how so many conservatives are fleeing from the perfectly rational ideas found in this manifesto. The ideas align exactly with what the founders of this country — revered as wise and honorable men by conservatives — believed about racial differences.

    I notice that most simply condemn the ideas in the manifesto, without bothering or daring to even try to refute them factually.

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    • Litchee says:

      You just crystallized the very point of the psy op – to make conservatives (and whites generally) flee from the perfectly rational ideas found in this manifesto. Or at least from the ones that are rational. It’s no coincidence he lists a broad survey of them almost in bullet points – and then discredits them.

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    • Director says:

      If you explicate the text he’s actually bashing conservatives and far right radicals and white nationalists and even the KKK for doing bugger all.

      See Elliot Rodgers and his attack on PUA (Pick Up Artist) websites.

      The manifesto looks to be written in such a way as to be an invalidation of the ideas he sets forth and nullifies by his deeds.

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  39. czarowniczy says:

    Yes BUT: Sheppard’s ethnic rage is engendered by 400 years of sociocultural oppression while Root’s just another gun-totin’ white guy with mental problems.

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  40. tyronesaywtf says:

    Wow! While I certainly don’t condone/endorse Mr. Roof’s recent actions, MUCH (actually most) of what he has said in his manifesto is FAR from the lunatic fringe and uneducated ramblings I expected to see. As a matter of, fact, I find it difficult to disagree with the vast majority of his quite lucid arguments, points and examples.

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  41. flaladybug says:

    Just as Sundance noted, the two documents are eerily similar. It’s an outline of both sides of the same racist coin….just reverse the races. Makes me wonder if Roof actually read Sheppards manifesto and if so, did it compound his animosity and paranoia toward the black race? Just a thought……. 😦

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  42. archer52 says:

    Race wars look like what you saw. Innocent people getting killed because how they look, not what they think. We don’t want this. Nobody wins. I remember the sixties and early seventies. It wasn’t pretty and a lot more violent than people will say.

    I read somewhere that Roof came to kill one person, Pinckney, and was jumped by someone who tried to stop him, starting the shooting spree. But the point is that Roof was targeting a political leader because of that leader’s beliefs and words and actions- as pointed out by this site. That is serious.

    Those in charge have tried to disarm the public out of fear of this very act. When the people feel they have no voice, they tend to use other means to be heard. This is our collective world history and something I’ve warned about for years. (the French Revolution is one great example)

    Those in charge know this, but still they cannot help themselves and still want to drive nails through the palms of the public, I guess hoping that last act breaks our collective will.

    As I noted before here, “The Hunger Games” is a great way of explaining this tendency to the youth of our society. My kids asked me why, even after having 75yrs of control, do the leaders in the nation described in the novel continue to abuse the people. It’s human nature.

    Here, we have what may be a single act of insanity or mentally unstable frustration by a single person.

    Or we may have a canary in a coal mine.

    Others may say Roof was crazy, then see the marches, the black nationalist flag, the New Black Panthers threatening innocents and marching like they did in Texas, and say “Dadgummit, Roof was right!” He won’t start a race war, but he will add to the fear of it.

    (A friend just said that Karl Rove is making noises about violence and the second amendment, saying until the second amendment is voided there will be violence. ?? What he doesn’t remember, apparently- while displaying the forehead of the brain bug in “Starship Troopers”- is that the French peasants were unarmed too. It was their WILL that took the government down.)

    As we see the black nationalists march on Charleston, the anarchists, and the agitators from Ferguson showing up, I fear they may find themselves in a buzz saw.

    Only the class act by the church goers belonging to the afflicted congregation proves there is hope.

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/06/radical-race-activists-wave-black-nationalist-flag-at-charleston-rally-video/

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/06/professional-race-agitator-deray-mckesson-goes-to-charleston-is-told-to-hit-the-road/

    The WP article claiming Roof was the first time the author saw racism is why we can’t have an honest debate about the intentional fracturing of our society by certain leaders. Until we can, we’ll stumble for violent act to violent act to even larger violent acts.

    And the police can only do so much. Don’t depend on them showing up to save you.

    Save yourself.

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    • Amity says:

      I would say the size of that “crowd” in your first link is also hopeful. The people in Charleston do not seem very interested in DeRay’s nonsense.

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    • smiley says:

      interesting that you mention The Hunger Games.
      Roof was arrested in Shelby, NC where many of the Capitol scenes in THG were filmed.
      all of the Capitol scenes, IIRC, were filmed in Shelby and Charlotte, NC.

      another odd little coincidence.

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      • Litchee says:

        http://aanirfan.blogspot.com/2015/06/charleston-church-false-flag-conspiracy.html

        Some interesting stuff there, hard to form conclusions about much though. I’m still stuck on the inconsistencies, which are a main hallmark of psy ops. Nothing adds up. The reports about Roof contradict each other, as do the actions of his family and friends. Why guy a gun for a kid at all, much less one acting like Dylann? Aren’t they expensive? Why wouldn’t his friends have reported him to at least someone, like his parents or the police? Etc. etc.

        I think they’re trying to make this proof that racism can be some form of mental illness. That’s why conflicting reports and evidence abound about his stance on race. They’re trying to make it seem like he had some sort of ‘bipolar’ phases descend from out of nowhere that featured these racist bigoted thoughts and feelings.

        Bipolar is a made up disease. The real one is manic depression, but its symptoms have nothing to do with the alleged symptoms of ‘bipolar,’ whose manifestations some might express but which are due to emotional and sociopolitical problems, not some genetic illness.

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        • smiley says:

          no disrespect to anyone, but some of the family bears (singular) looking into re how he got a gun…when clearly he shouldn’t have due to pending felony.
          has it even been determined that it was THE gun that was used in the church ? ( I don’t know).
          at some point, the “manifesto” will have to be authenticated ( if in evidence), right ?
          wondering where he was headed to, afterwards.
          and if the Christian woman who spotted him and alerted Le had not done that, what would have happened to him ?
          where was he going ?

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          • Amity says:

            Roof told his uncle his parents got it for him for his birthday, but the police have said Roof bought the gun from a gun shop with his birthday money. He may have lied to his uncle, or he may have said his parents got it for him because it was their money he used, but either way, they did not directly provide him with the gun.

            OTOH, he bought it while SC gun laws said he shouldn’t be able to, and he bought it from a proper store, not the gun shows that get anti gunners so riled up about. Once again, evidence that gun laws are only going to prevent the honest from having guns.

            Agreed that the manifesto needs to be authenticated; the police have said they’re aware of it but have no comment for now.

            He was likely going to the home of his future brother-in-law; he was heading in that direction and arrested not far from there. Although what he intended to do there I can’t guess: if he’d been following the story, he had to have known his family members had turned him in and that the police would likely find him if he showed up there.

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            • Litchee says:

              There should be evidence of this gun purchase. Someone said it cost around $1,000, which I highly doubt Roof would have paid in cash. Again, these are the types of discrepancies and inconsistencies that just add to an overall picture of not authentic. It’s amazing that people are actually discussing the gun control issue without solid evidence of exactly how this gun supposedly wound up in Roof’s hands.

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              • smiley says:

                still conflicting reports about how he got the gun.
                it was not a felony, but a misdemeanor (earlier).
                http://www.greenvilleonline.com/story/news/local/2015/06/19/gun-laws-dylann-roof/29016743
                June 21, 2015

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              • Amity says:

                There probably is evidence of the gun purchase, and of who bought it, but the police aren’t sharing it yet.

                I hadn’t heard the $1000 claim. The only specifics I’ve seen on the gun is that CNN said it was a .45, which you can get new for not much more than $400. Used would presumably be cheaper.

                Discrepancies and inconsistencies are pretty standard, in my experience, especially early on. The articles on Michael Brown were none too accurate long after the facts were pretty well established. IMHO, anyone who had seen the video where the people in the foreground are doing the, “the cop shot him for no reason!” routine, while the actual witness in the background is exclaiming about the fact that Michael Brown rushed the Officer, should have be a Big Fat Clue that the “hands up” story was bogus. And any reporter taking the story seriously should have run across it within the first week.

                For that matter, I didn’t buy the “hands up” story the minute I saw the body. If it were true, how could Brown have been laid out so neatly, with his hands down low? Yet the reporters kept yammering on about all kinda theories and claims that clearly weren’t true. News reporting by its very nature is pretty inaccurate. That’s why I appreciate sites like this that don’t lose interest after the first version released, or after the first version that sounds good.

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        • smiley says:

          the movie referenced obscurely in the “manifesto” is Himizu…which refers to a breed of MOLES found in Japan…

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  43. georgiafl says:

    Notably absent from Roof’s alleged manifesto is any reference to illegals, Muslims, terrorism, communism or the racist bias and influence of the Obama administration.

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    • Amity says:

      Not sure why they should be there? I am pretty obsessive about racial issues myself, particularly the issue of black crime, but that doesn’t mean I get overly wound about the other issues you’ve listed. No fan of Obama, but I don’t think he’d show up if I went on a “this is what I think is wrong with the world” kinda rant. He’s just the current representative of a set of beliefs I think profoundly mistaken at best.

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