Did Dorian Johnson Actually See The Shooting of Mike Brown ? Evidence Released Suggests “NO”…

Something about this entire story Dorian has manufactured is concealing something else.  What that “else” might be, is yet to be discovered – However, Treeper/contributor Mike Sylwester has assembled a solid hypothesis outlining part of the issue:

By Mike Sylwester: Several witnesses say that Dorian Johnson was standing by a Monte Carlo car that was stopped by the curb, just east of Darren Wilson’s police vehicle, when Michael Brown was fatally shot. Despite that excellent viewpoint, however, Johnson was not able to describe the shooting correctly in his subsequent statements. Johnson’s evident failure to see the shooting is a major mystery in the controversy about this incident.

dorian in car 3Below, I will provide evidence that the Monte Carlo’s two occupants allowed Johnson to hide down in front of the passenger seat. From that hiding position, Johnson did not see the fatal shooting. Furthermore, the two occupants drove away with Johnson still hiding there. The two occupants lied that they did not let Johnson into the car and they denied Johnson’s request to drive him away from the scene.

The Monte Carlo passenger’s grand-jury testimony is recorded in Grand Jury Volume 7, beginning on page 152.

The passenger is a male, and the driver is a woman. The Monte Carlo was following Darren Wilson’s police vehicle, traveling west on Canfield Drive. When Wilson stopped and backed up to confront Michael Brown and Dorian Johnson, the Monte Carlo stopped close behind the police vehicle. When the first gunshot was fired inside the police vehicle, the Monte Carlo backed up and stopped along the curb in front of Piaget Crenshaw’s apartment.

Because the police vehicle’s windows were tinted, the Monte Carlo’s two occupants could not see, through the police vehicle, what was happening on the driver side. The passenger could see Brown’s feet and so knew that Brown was doing something at the driver door.

On pages 180-181 the passenger reports that while Brown was doing something at that door, Dorian Johnson moved slowly to the street’s other, south side and then gradually moved faster away along the street’s south side.

I basically saw him [Johnson] slow and walking away from … going kind of slow across the street, and he ran off real quick. I guess not wanting to be part of it [Brown’s actions at the door]. …

He [Johnson] didn’t run then. …. As this [Brown’s actions at the door] is happening, he [Johnson] is gradually slow across [the street] and just end up running – it wasn’t no full-fledge run – [more] like [fast] walking.

On pages 163-164, the passenger describes what happened after the first gunshot was fired in the police vehicle. The driver backed up the Monte Carlo, and both occupants opened their doors so that they could lie low in their seats. As Brown (not Johnson) ran past the Monte Carlo, the passenger heard a second shot. Then Johnson appeared suddenly by the car’s rear wheel on the passenger’s side.

So, as I’m ducking down, catty-corner from my eye I see Dorian. I don’t know how he got from over here [pointing to the street’s south side] … being all the way over here [the street’s south side]. ….

The second shot I heard [as Brown ran past the Monte Carlo], I end up seeing, ducking down, and seeing him [Johnson]. Like, who is this? And I end up recognizing who it was.

(Did he say anything when he came around to the side of the car?) Not at that time. Not yet.

Then the passenger described how, after about five seconds, Wilson got out of his police vehicle and then ran past the Monte Carlo, chasing Brown.

Then something very strange happened. Both the driver and the passenger “blacked out” for a few seconds.

The driver’s grand-jury testimony is recorded in Grand Jury Volume 12. On pages 118-121 and 123-125 and 129-130, the driver describes how she blacked out after the second shot, when she heard as Brown ran past her Monte Carlo.

Her black-out lasted only a few seconds, after which she was able to watch the fatal shooting lucidly in her rear-view window. She mentioned that Johnson was down by her side after her black-out, as she thus watched the fatal shooting.

When he [Brown] started running, I ducked down. I got all the way towards the ground in the car. …. Me and [the passenger] ducked. In the process of us ducking, that’s when I heard like a second shot. And after this, that’s when Michael Brown had already ran past the car. ….. When I heard the second gunshot, my head was down. ….

Once I proceeded to get up and look, that’s when I saw the officer running directly down the street after him. ….

That’s when I proceeded to look out my rear-view mirror.

(Are you talking about the mirror that’s in the center of your window?) Yes, ma’am.

(You are not talking about the windows on the outside?) No, the window. ….

(Do you know where Dorian is at this point?) Dorian was actually on the side. At that time, I didn’t even look no more, I didn’t look down. …. [!!!!!!!!]

(At what point did you black out?) …. I went down for a short period of time. …. And then I instantly got up, and I got to looking.

I just went, basically, just went blank. I can’t describe it. …. I could still hear, but everything just went blank. I can’t even explain it. I was just in shock. …. I just lost focus. I was just, like, down a little bit.

It was real short. It was short enough to where I could see everything else …. after the second shot.

(Then you get back up. You are looking out the rear view, and you see Mike Brown turn around with his hands up and the officer fires several shots at him?) Yes, ma’am.

[…..]

(Have you ever blacked out before?) No, because I have never been around nothing like that before in my life. ….

(Do you think you lost consciousness?) I don’t know. I can’t explain.

(How long do you think it was that you were blacked out?) Like seconds. …. Probably about two — one or two seconds.

In Grand Jury Volume 7, pages 165 and 168, the passenger describes how he too blacked out likewise. When the passenger’s black-out ended, he found himself in the Monte Carlo’s back seat, looking out the back window.

Then I end up looking out the back window. …. I blanked out or whatnot, because I’m not hearing anything. I didn’t hear nothing from the time that they was at the truck. We [the passenger and driver] are both [blacked out]. …. I guess he [Wilson] had got down the street some [distance], a little after him [Brown] or whatnot [while we were blacked out]. ….

When I’m looking out the back window, [the driver] is looking out her little rear-view mirror.

[The passenger describes looking out the back seat as Wilson shoots Brown fatally.]

I’m in the back seat. [!!!!!!!!]

He [Brown] is on the ground. I can’t see no more after that …. unless I got out [of the car]. ….

I got [car] doors are still open.

So, the first thing Dorian say, can you take me down here?

I think that Johnson’s expression “down here” means that Johnson was lying down low in or in front of the Monte Carlo’s passenger seat, while the passenger had moved into the back seat.

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As the Monte Carlo’s driver and passenger were blacking out and as the passenger moved into the back seat, Witness #12 [Michael Brady] was watching Johnson climb into the Monte Carlo. Witness #12 described this in his the document titled “Interview Witness 12 interview #3“, pages 2-3, 5-7, 12-13, 15.

I goes in the house, goes back into my bedroom … Like another two, three, minutes later I hear

a altercation outside. And looks out the window and see a guy, Michael Brown, at the driver window of the Ferguson police car. …. All of a sudden I see Michael Brown and his friend runs away from the Ferguson police car.

The friend just ducks behind the first car that was parked off to the side, which is like a two-door Monte Carlo. … His buddy was … hiding behind the trunk of the car, of the two-door, white Monte

Carlo. ….

The passenger door was open. …. I see him kinda hops in.

(Did you see him get inside the car?) Yeah, he did.

(He did get inside the car?) He did. He did. …..

(His buddy with the dreadlocks?) Yeah.

(He got into the car, the white Monte Carlo?) Yeah, the white Monte Carlo, because the door was open. …

(Did you see this guy get into the car?) Yeah, I did see that. … The door was open. …. I guess after when he [Wilson] got done shooting, I guess whoever that was driving [the Monte Carlo) told him [Johnson], “Let’s go”, because he’s afraid for his life. I’m sure of that.

(So, you’re positive he got in the car and he left in that car?) Yeah.

[…..]

(Where are you at?) Now I’m outside.

(Are you in that horseshoe section?) Yea, exactly .. in the middle. … on my balcony.

{SNIP}

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The Monte Carlo passenger goes on to note (bottom of page 185) that only moments later he told the driver to stop and he briefly got out.  This is after they drove a little big through the grass to get around the SUV of officer Wilson.   Why would the passenger stop and get out?  Could it have been to quickly drop off Dorian after a quick change of mind?

If the driver took off, with the passenger in the rear seat and Dorian cowering down on the passenger side, and a quick decision was made not to take Dorian, that would explain the short distance then getting out, and then back in – as it’s described on page 185/186.

The construct of this proposition holds much credit.

However, not much later, Dorian Johnson is visibly back on the scene and was seen amid various U-Tube videos just East of the building where Piaget Crenshaw lived.  In the parking lot area between the construction workers and the Crenshaw building.

Approximately 60 to 90 minutes later he reappears West of the Crenshaw building in the parking lot / grassy knoll area where all the media had assembled.

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Dorian at canfield

As Mike Sylwester’s outline shows, there is a distinct possibility Dorian was transported, at least for a short distance, in the White Monte Carlo.

There are other aspects located within the comment section of THIS ARTICLE which lend possible motive toward the supposition(s).

Other strange indications include:

•  Two  men in the Ferguson Liquor Market at 1:16am, along with Mike Brown – who arrived in a white vehicle.  Same clothes at 1:16am as worn 11:50am during Cigarillos robbery.

•  Mike Brown wearing “slides” for such a long walk.

•  Dorian saying they met at 7:00am, but didn’t arrive for Cigarillos until 11:50am.

•  They “walked” past a convenience store (Quick Trip) for Cigarillos.  Walking further than needed to get the identical item.

• The burning of a trash dumpster, on the East side of Piaget Crenshaw’s building, which is between the building where Mike Brown and Dorian originated their journey.  If Dorian, Mike and others participated in earlier activity, included something which might have been considered risk, there might have been motive to destroy evidence therein.

• Additionally, a revisit to the Ferguson Market CCTV video, combined with Camera #11 evidence at the entrance to Canfield Greens Apartment Complex, may also outline a vehicles’ involvement.

There’s something more substantial within the dots, it’s just difficult to organize them into a digestible picture.

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175 Responses to Did Dorian Johnson Actually See The Shooting of Mike Brown ? Evidence Released Suggests “NO”…

  1. zephyrbreeze says:

    What’s with the simultaneous “black-outs?” Is that a likely thing? I’ve never heard of it. Except notice they make no mention of Officer Wilson shouting multiple times at Michael Brown to get down on the ground. Are the so-called “black-outs” manufactured so they don’t have to give pro-Wilson evidence?

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    • John Galt says:

      Surgeon Generals Warning: Possession of stolen cigarillos may cause blackouts.

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    • BertDilbert says:

      You just let a potential accomplice into your vehicle and removed him from the scene of the crime. There are possible witnesses that saw this happen. You have to explain how he got into your car. He forced himself which would be a crime for Dorian, or you let him in which would be a crime on you , or you “blacked out”.

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      • lurking2014 says:

        They absolutely had to have blacked out. Tons of shifty excuses by witnesses throughout this tale. Without physical evidence you get nothing.

        Just like Dorian had to say Big Mike was merely pulling away from Wilson. It’s a very clever lie. How could Big Mike do anything other than passively resist while get pulled on, warned twice and shot for just pulling away?

        Wilson is very fortunate to have shot Brown in the hand as that shows his hand was inside the vehicle and not just pushing away on the door frame. Imagine if the shot had hit Brown’s chest or arm, or missed him altogether.

        The Monte Carlo passengers’ blackouts are strategically similar to Dorian not being able to hear Big Mike speak at key times or for Dorian to think about anything other than fear for his life. Johnson’s memory of this day is a big blackout, around a select framework of vivid recollections.

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        • “Johnson’s memory of this day is a big blackout, around a select framework of vivid recollections.”

          100% correct – you nailed it.

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          • BertDilbert says:

            So wait, Dorian is in a witness protection program because he was a witness but in reality he was hiding in the front seat of a car and saw nothing of the incident for which he is being protected. Freeking brilliant! This is popcorn material.

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  2. mcfyre2012 says:

    “Blackouts?” Since when does a witness get a “Blackout” when witnessing an event? And both witnesses simultaneously? Really? Methinks they both saw what Officer Wilson described. or maybe “they be trippin’ .”

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    • John Galt says:

      There is precedent.

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    • JenNJ says:

      I Was thinking the same thing. I’ve blacked out once after falling down concrete steps. I woke up some time later on the other side of the basement. The really odd part of their statements is that they can tell how long they were “out”. When you do blackout, you can’t know how long you are out for. Of course that, and the fact that they both just happened to blackout at the same time = complete BS in my book.

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  3. Gary says:

    This is a little off topic but the Monte Carlo witness, on page 187, is asked if he saw anyone to the right as the car was driving on the grass to get around the police vehicle. He says no. He’s asked again if he saw anyone on the grass, or in that area as they were driving through the grass. He says no.

    Does anyone else think the prosecutor is asking about Tiffany who claims to have been right there during the shooting?

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    • Gary says:

      On page 189 as well, the witness is asked about whether or not he saw a Windstar minivan pull up nose to nose to the Tahoe.

      Answer: “No.”

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      • jason says:

        nice, def seems like what they’re hinting at.

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      • Gary says:

        This would have been after the Jury had heard Tiffany’s testimony (Grand Jury Volume 6) and then later in Volume 7 they heard Tiffany’s FBI interview. What I find interesting about Tiffany is that the Jury heard her media statments, then she testified. But then the next time they convened they heard her FBI interview. In Grand Jury Volume 6, even before the Jury heard her FBI interview (which was a disaster) you can already tell that the Jury and prosecution are having a hard time believing what she said.

        Is it possible that Mike Brady’s video (which already seems to show Tiffany walking to Crenshaw’s apartment after the shooting) was viewed by the Grand Jury already and some of these lies had beed exposed long before these witnesses appeared to testify.

        Even this stuff about Dorian and the Monte Carlo seems odd. The Monte Carlo leaving and the arrival of the second police unit would have been concurrent, I think, but doesn’t Brady’s video capture the arrival of the second unit? Wouldn’t Dorian be visible somewhere in that video if he had been dropped off on the street when the Monte Carlo cleared the SUV?

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      • lurking2014 says:

        The questioner is definitely seeking info on whether Tiffany was on the scene yet. She said parked during The Tussle and then she got out of her car and moved to a spot near the grass to watch the shooting and then a spot near the bottom of Piaget’s steps. She said she went straight from there to upstairs where she started making phone calls. Her parking place was directly between Michael Brady’s apartment and Brown’s dead body. Michael Brady’s footage shows her leaving her car and walking to Piaget’s apartment well after Brown is dead. She arrived after Brown had been shot dead.

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      • StormyeyesC says:

        In the video, showing Tiffany just leaving her van and walking up the circular path, she is walking slow, strolling ever so casually, and she shows no signs of anxiety, panic, excitement, nothing. If you just saw a shooting, wouldn’t it be strange to stroll along like a walk in the park? The timeline is hard for me to follow, with all the adjustments from videos and actual times.

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        • lurking2014 says:

          The timeline is hard to follow because so many people are fabricating what they saw and when. If Tiffany truly had been trying to video the shooting but was fumbling with her phone’s camera as she parked, she certainly would have filmed what she saw immediately after. Instead, she is taking in Brown’s dead body for the first time on her way up to Piaget’s place, where it finally dawns on her to film a bit once she is done dialing up her fiancee and a couple of news stations.

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    • stobberdobber says:

      I asked myself the same question and my answer was Yes that is what he is asking

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    • justfactsplz says:

      In asking that question twice I do believe the prosecutor is thinking about Tiffany. However with witnesses like these you are not going to get a straight honest answer. These were not very credible witnesses saying Brown had his hands up. Tiffany was not there on the grass imo. I had noticed in the beginning when we were watching all of the various videos that there was a man and woman standing around in a lot of the videos. They were not taking part of any of the conversations. They were just quietly watching everything. They were in one of the videos showing Tiffany.

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    • VegasGuy says:

      Good point.

      We now know where her car (van) was & it was in plain sight throughout most videos taken early on. The female walking through the lot would have come from the parked location of that van. That female most certainly was Tiffany & she was clearly on the phone during the “stroll” past Bradys video view & on her way to Piagetsts. So if she was not noticed by Brady, either she was still in the van or had just arrived IMO.

      What strikes me odd in the testimony of the Monte Carlo occupants is that they say Brown ran past their car & they heard a second shot. We know for sure 1 shot was at the SUV & hit prior to Brown running (the palm wound at least). Wilson claims a 2nd shot was fired within the SUV while Brown was still at the SUV, so Brown should (would ?) not have been the first person to run past the Monte Carlo when the second shot rang out.

      Various witnesses have Johnson running immediately & Johnsons own story is that he ran to the rear of the Monte Carlo (the first car he saw) and crouched at the rear. He says Brown then ran past him and shouted out “keep running Bro”. So that places Johnson first at the Monte Carlo, followed by Brown, IMO.

      With rillos in hand (given to Johnson by Brown) & potentially something else perhaps more sinister ( maybe a weapon?), Johnson would certainly be inclined to remove himself from the immediate area, especially if he did participate or assist Brown in the altercation with Wilson.

      Brady says DJ did get in the car & leave yet some excellent capture work by Pookiesmom clearly shows DJ far East on Canfield within only several minutes of the Ace Johnson video starting (right at & slightly prior to where the white/blue truck exits that NE lot ).

      So how does DJ get from a position West of Piagets building, in a car headed West and wind up several hundred feet East of Browns position on Canfield after the shooting?

      Well viewing the overhead of the complex, the parking lot road does circle around the rear of Piagets building and one can drive to CopperCreek & beyond. Pretty much where DJ is first located by Pookiesmom. Maybe that is the location that DJ was dropped off at?

      And Pookiesmom also has a Silver SUV moving DJ a second time, which, if it took the same route from that East lot, around the rear of Piagets building, could get DJ back to the Grassy Knoll area where he was again located a bit later. That was just after Browns Mom & Uncle arrived on sceen. DJ can be seen crouched behind the Silver SUV, in that far East lot, just as the ambulance arrives & Browns Uncle & Mom run West past it.

      The question that begs an answer is why does DJ remove himself from the immediate area, relocate to a far East position, and then decide to return to the Grassy Knoll position?

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      • lurking2014 says:

        Great question: To dump incriminating evidence in the dumpster while figuring out how to play this scene.

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        • VegasGuy says:

          I agree. The activity at that dumpster roused my curiousity from very early on. Lots of movement at that dumpster site throughout the Ace Johnson video. And many vehicles entering & exiting Copper Creek at the same time.

          I posted once a while ago that it was noon on a Sat. & I was certain there were numerous witnesses out & about. Few agreed with me. But it does seem that there were many people that viewed some or all of the incident.

          Perhaps DJ was recognized by several witnesses & as you say, was figuring out how to be a witness verses a felon. Not overly intellegent but clearly “street wise” where criminal activity is involved.

          Very likely that the occupants of the car were known to many & that is a plausable reason to disengage themselves from DJ ASAP.

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          • Gary says:

            The dumpster fire is far too coincidental not to be part of this and given Dorian’s movements around that area it’s a safe bet he was involved in some way. But is a dumpster fire a little bit of over kill for cigarellos? I don’t buy into the gun theory; a gun would have still been found when the dumpster fire was put out.

            Maybe, since the cigarellos make Dorian an accomplice and legally responsible for Brown’s death, the dumpster fire isn’t considered too extreme to get rid of them.

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            • StormyeyesC says:

              I seem to remember seeing one of the videos, with a lot of cops arriving on the scene, coming through the parking lot from the rear. Someone is saying “they are scared” and a woman appears to be hiding behind a concrete structure. The camera pans past her. I am not sure but this appears to the just in front of the dumpster, and just before the fire. If it were a gun being burned, the fire would explain the gunshots heard by cops on scene .

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            • StormyeyesC says:

              Given the mayhem that day, I wonder if that dumpster was ever searched post fire.

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            • sundance says:

              What was in Mike Brown’s “black backpack” at 1:16am ? And why would he be wearing it at 1:16am ?

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      • lurking2014 says:

        There are many possible explanations. It makes sense for Dorian to head towards Florissant to clear the scene, and then double back along the back property line, pass behind Brady’s building and the one behind Piaget where the rear dumpster is located and then re-surface on Copper Creek in the opposite direction from which he fled. Later he finds his way to friends on the Grassy Knoll, where folks rolling into Canfield Green have to stop because of the police tape.

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      • sundance says:

        Forget Tiffany. If you go to the bottom of 168 Camera #11 (subtract 17 to 18 minutes for camera timestamp flaw) you’ll note inbound vans/minivans post shooting.

        http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1370562-14-43984-care-main.html

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        • Gary says:

          Okay. So can’t she be charged with perjury? She lied to the FBI and the grand jury. And they have proof.

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        • lurking2014 says:

          Page 170 — camera outside the Ferguson captures image of White Monte Carlo with front end damage. Black male driver enters market just before Brown and Wilson.

          http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1370562-14-43984-care-main.html

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          • lurking2014 says:

            Outside the Ferguson Market just prior to the strong arm robbery

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          • lurking2014 says:

            Still images 6-9, Brown and Johnson walking east into the parking lot out of view

            The moving footage captured from the camera depicts an apparent white Chevrolet, Monte Carlo, with front end damage, operated by an unknown black male. Based on the footage, the male enters the business just prior to Brown and Johnson and exited within seconds prior to Brown and Johnson. This male did not appear to be with Brown and Johnson; he appeared to be a customer who most likely witnessed the events that
            occurred inside. The white Monte Carlo leaves the parking lot at approximately 11:54:28.

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        • BitterC says:

          SD, I haven’t read all the GJ transcripts but the only time stamp issue I have come across is the FPD dispatch system.

          Sergeant and Dispatcher both confirmed there was a known issue wiith the radio system and
          it was in fact fast. They confirmed 19 minutes and 37 seconds would be a realistic time the system would be
          fast.

          p 165 http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1370562-14-43984-care-main.html

          I haven’t been in a Monte Carlo since the 70’s, but I do not think that new pic of DJ in a car is a MC. The rear window looks to me like it has some sort of latches like maybe a hatchback or suv?

          AS far as DJ going east before he ends up in grassy knoll, do we believe he went to MB’s grandma’s to give her the news? I was under the impression her place was NE of Pieget’s
          place.

          Based on various testimonies I have read, I think DJ bolted when the first shot was fired and did not see the final act. When DW ran past him by the MC that was the end of his true witnessing.

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          • sundance says:

            The “timestamp issues” are with the various CCTV systems the police reviewed from all the stores and businesses. They were not all synced and several were quite a few minutes divergent from real time.

            The CCTV in #11 was from the Quick Trip and was 17 to 18 minutes out of sync with actual real time.

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      • mikesylwester says:

        VegasGuy:
        What strikes me odd in the testimony of the Monte Carlo occupants is that they say Brown ran past their car & they heard a second shot.

        I think that the Monte Carlo’s occupants concocted this “second shot” in order to explain why they blacked out just as Brown ran past their car.

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      • mikesylwester says:

        VegasGuy:
        So how does DJ get from a position West of Piagets building, in a car headed West and wind up several hundred feet East of Browns position on Canfield after the shooting?

        Witness #10 described the Monte Carlo’s movements after Brown fell dead.

        [quote, Volume 6, page 220

        What happened then after that [Brown fell dead], I didn’t see.

        It was a blue Monte Carlo, a newer model Monte Carlo two door. It was closer to the scene where the shooting was at that occurred.

        They then drove off and made a left into the apartments and drove around the apartment and then came and stopped.

        Mr. Brown’s friend, that he was walking with earlier, I didn’t see him the whole time that this was all going on with a confrontation with the police and the shooting and everything.

        At the end, after Mr. Brown had dropped, I seen his friend come out of nowhere and run across the street and said that “Dog, they they just killed him, they just killed him.

        And he ran the back fields of Canfield, the back open field.

        [unquote]

        I think that the “left into the apartments” is a left onto Caddiefield Road, which loops around the apartment building that stood immediately south of Wilson’s police vehicle.

        At the south end of this loop around this apartment building, Caddiefield Road extends due south to a dead end between two fields.

        1) The west field is the field that Witness #10 looked across to watch the incident.

        2) The east field is the field is what I think Witness #10 means by “the back fields of Canfield”.

        Study Caddiefield Road on this image:

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        • mikesylwester says:

          “Dog, they they just killed him, they just killed him.”
          [I forgot the closing quote mark.]

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        • Lurking2014 says:

          Another fantastic find.

          The larger scale map is very helpful, too. Both Caddiefield Drive and Copper Creek Drive give Johnson access to loop around the Canfield Green complex. Copper Creek Court connects Canfield Drive to the looping Copper Creek Drive. Caddiefield Drive just terminates to the south of Canfield Drive, the southernmost of three cul de sacs that run south from Canfield Drive. Each of those cul de sacs fronts onto the fields that comprise the old golf course (active?). You can’t loop around south of Canfield Drive in a car, but you can on foot. This makes fleeing to the south advantageous, so you can’t be followed by car.

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        • mikesylwester says:

          See also that Dorian Johnson’s apartment is next to Caddiefield Road.

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  4. carterzest says:

    Nice job Mike Sylwester.

    Thank you!

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  5. Gary says:

    On page 25 of Grand Jury Volume 7, Mike Brady testifies that he saw Dorian leave in the white Monte Carlo and he testifies that the extra police vehicles arrived at roughly the same time (which all makes sense). So Brady is watching as the Monte Carlo leaves and he’s still watching as the other police units arrive. Why does he not see Dorian being dropped off after the Monte Carlo clears Wilson’s SUV? Or am I not understanding the post; was Dorian dropped off after the Monte Carlo leaves Canfield Drive or after the Monte Carlo cleared the SUV? I find it odd that Dorian would want to be dropped off on that street after more police vehicles begin arriving.

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  6. andi lee says:

    Was there not a discrepancy in the color of the Monte Carlo in the first hours of eyewitness TV interviews? I do remember hearing it was black at one point in the interview(s) given by both “twins” Piaget and Dorian, maybe Tiffany also, then hours or a day later, both recanted black (Tiffany silent) and began saying white? Then finalized as white, as confirmed by Brady’s account?

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    • lurking2014 says:

      The discrepancy in colors is a ruse. In Piaget’s Porch Interview she pretends not to know the individual that was hiding and says the Monte Carlo was BLACK. In an interview with Farrah Fassal of KDSK on 8/12 Farrah ends by mentioning that Dorian wishes that the couple in the SILVER would come forward to verify his story. Similarly, the Monte Carlo passenger and driver “blackouts” are meant to give them deniability.

      Piaget and Dorian are just dragging a red herring over his trail to cover for him being in the car and not seeing the shooting. So are the Monte Carlo occupants.

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  7. scaretactics says:

    Those poor assistants who had to interview all the witnesses during this GJ.

    Some of the witnesses state one thing, then in the same breath they contradict themselves. Eg: “he ran off real quick ” then….”it wasn’t a full -fledged run…more like fast walking ” ?????

    All that questioning and trying to pull out the truth must have been a nightmare.

    And how does someone know that they’ve only blacked out for a second or 2? Every time that I’ve ever blacked out, I was disoriented and had no idea how long I’d been out.

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    • lurking2014 says:

      You black out when you allow a fleeing criminal to enter your car. You just throw open the doors to better duck stray bullets, and the next thing you know you’re in the back seat with your drug dealer hiding in the front. And you’re driving him away from the scene of a killing. Drugs and crime will do that to you.

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      • justfactsplz says:

        I highly suspect drugs were involved and the occupants of the white Monte Carlo were involved.

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      • VegasGuy says:

        We still have that unresolved issue with a resident that claimed that weapons were stashed “somewhere” in the complex right after the incident.

        A rumored Police search found nothing. But, if it were a large quantity of drugs, combined with the mysterious dumpster fire, there may still be a connection. IMO the White MC was the one connected with the early morning store “visit”. And as was posted above, it is highly coincidential that the same vehicle arrives at the time it does.

        It could appear that DJ & Brown may have been meeting up with that car & they truly were just a “moment from their destination” if that car was already on the street and in plain view when the encounter with Wilson began.

        If it were to be a “big score”, that could have been an inducement for the actions of both DJ & Brown. One does not need a dumpster fire to dispose of a minor amount of drugs. But a significant amount….? More than can be safely “stashed” within the complex with so many Police arriving….?

        There is a connection for sure IMO.

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        • Gary says:

          That makes a lot of sense. The big question everyone has is why Brown and Johnson didn’t just get out of the street when the cop spoke to them. If they saw the car coming they may have been walking towards it.

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          • lurking2014 says:

            I ran into a early news video, maybe 8/10, of Chief Belmar saying that one of the two individuals in the street complied with the officer’s command to get on the sidewalk. Posted the link in thread #6 or #7.

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            • Gary says:

              I remember that too but I haven’t really seen anything in the documents that suggests that Dorian did comply. Some people have Dorian at the passenger side of the SUV at some point during the struggle but I haven’t seen any mentions of Dorian getting out of the street after the SUV pulls ahead. I’ve wondered about this statement by Belmar and what made him think Dorian was complying. Could it be he was referring to Dorian’s comments about not being far from their destination?

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          • VegasGuy says:

            What I was thinking was that the “weapons” stash was a decoy to get the Police away from the Copper Creek area, giving them an opportunity to move itms to the dumpster.

            I don’t know where the specific weaapon search was but I would bet it was far West of Copper Creek IMO

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            • VegasGuy says:

              Adding to the dumpster issue….In the LA Times video there was a guy throwing trash into the dumpster.
              I posted that it was quite odd regarding the manner he carried that trash. He was basically clutching it to his body. Not the normal fashion that one would carry garbage.

              Just an observation…..

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        • justfactsplz says:

          I too think the Monte Carlo was the one that took Brown to the market and the two occupants at the time of the shooting were planning to meet up with Brown and Johnson. See my comment up thread. We are thinking alike.

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          • StormyeyesC says:

            Could this be the car he got out of at the same store in the 1am report the night before?

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            • coeurdaleneman says:

              According to the detectives that watched the videos:

              1. The 1 am vehicle was four door.
              2. Later in the day when the Swishers were stolen, the 12:50 Monte Carlo driver was unconnected to the perps.
              3. No vehicle transported MB or DJ to the Ferguson Market just before noon. They were seen by multiple cameras walking both to and fro.

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        • sundance says:

          1:15am – Mike Brown was wearing a backpack at 1:16am when he was a rear passenger in a dark vehicle that pulled in to the Ferguson Market.

          6:00am – A few hours later a drug robbery at the Hospice Center took place.

          Witness #16 (page 4) works where?

          http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1370763-fbi-int-witness-16.html

          And just happened to have been taking some recent time off prior to the MB shooting?

          7:00am – DJ and MB were together

          11:50am – DJ and MB were back at Ferguson Market (sans backpack) – White MC noted in CCTV outside.

          12:00pm – DJ and MB meet Officer Wilson

          12:01pm – DJ snatches escape in White MC

          2:00pm – shots fired at police near scene etc.

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          • lurking2014 says:

            Piaget and Tiffany work somewhere in Illinois, where regulations allow their business activities that they can’t do in MO.

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          • lurking2014 says:

            Regarding the shots fired and the dumpster fire, how can we synch them up, timewise and location wise? Were the shots fired a diversion to allow someone with accelerant to set the dumpster alight?

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          • Oh-My says:

            Red Pontiac with bad plates spotted in front of Sprint, another call came in for a car with tickets at Victorian Plaza, 21 and 25 were both cognizant, after 21 called in plate number of bad plate, sent word that he wanted to talk to 25, dispatch related the message, a phone conversation ensued, hence search of Wilson’s car to confirm.

            The 2 from “put me with 2 on Canfield may have originated from the CCTV’s that saw two walking in front of SCS with cameras with a bad time stamp. Those 2, after ditching their cars, may have walked into Canfield, just prior to events, while the white Monte Carlo squired the other 2 in from either the video shoot or another location, while one of the women with one of the throw away phones called the police on that bad rillo man.

            21, 22, and 25 seemed to feel the electricity in the air. By 12:07 25 knew they were going to “need crowd control”, probably before the crowd had been fully assembled, based soley on the first characters to enter, stage left.

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            • Oh-My says:

              Wilson’s phone, not car.

              Further a cell phone company “closed down” right after LE had to jump through several hoops to ping back to the Mother Ship through the sub contracted services.

              Didn’t one of the actors say he was going to be “famous” prior to the international media presentations?

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  8. whodoneit says:

    What this basically indicates is that Johnson didn’t lie about what he saw – he lied about what he didn’t see. Either way, it was apparently obvious to the Grand Jury that he lied – period. Too bad Brown’s little buddy was burrowed down like a scared rabbit while Brown flexed his criminality – since I believe that, in part, it was intended to “impress” the little skank, who pretty much missed most of the “show”. What an asinine way to end your life.

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  9. firefly says:

    I` m thinking the pic above of Dorian is late afternoon.

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  10. commonsense says:

    The photo of Dorian Johnson in the car on 8/9/14 that is on his Facebook page and posted above was uploaded at 8:15am on 8/9/14. All you have to do is follow this link, and then run your mouse over “August 9” and let it sit there for a second, then the time comes up.

    As for the Monte Carlo, are we sure it was white? Witness #10 said it was BLUE Monte Carlo (Page 5). If you go to Deandre Joshua’s photos on his Facebook page (link below), notice on 8/26 he’s got a photo of a blue 2002 Monte Carlo Coupe at a car dealership. Someone asks him “how much cuz” and he says “how much you got). He then posts a photo of his white Grand Prix.

    https://www.facebook.com/deandre.joshua/photos

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    • VegasGuy says:

      This vehicle looks to be an SUV & DJ is in the rear seat. If you look just left of his head there is a rear window hindge showing. This might be the Silver SUV he later takes refuge in.

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    • firefly says:

      Commensense, that pic was uploaded at 8:15 am on Aug 9 and he`s wearing a full T.
      I thought Mike Mike was shot around 12:02 pm.

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      • commonsense says:

        Correct, robbery at about 11:50 and Big Mike shot about 10 minutes later. The point is from 7am until the robbery at 11:50am there is a huge missing chunk of time. If that photo was taken that morning and uploaded right away, then Dorian was in someone’s SUV at 8:15 am the day of the incident. They did go back to the complex at some point because the landscapers did see them around 11. Also witness saw Big Mike and a girl around 8am that morning. So Dorian could have changed out of that white t-shirt at home at any point.

        But, this photo could have been taken at any point and he just decided to upload it that morning. Doesn’t mean he was actually in traffic at 8:15am that Saturday morning. Because I would imagine there wouldn’t be a traffic jam on Saturday morning

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      • lurking2014 says:

        And I thought DJ and Big Mike were hanging out at Canfield Green from 7:00 on.

        J/K. I don’t think that — that’s just what DJ testified.

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    • jason says:

      don’t think that pic was taken day of, his dreads are in a different do. Always possible he changed it up at some point during the day, but also poss that he/girlfriend just posted an older pic that day?

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      • commonsense says:

        I definitely don’t think it was just uploaded that day either. If you look at time stamps on some of his other photos, a good amount seem to be uploaded before 8am. So based on that, Dorian seems to be an early riser (for instance, on 8/7 he uploaded that photo at 7:48am).

        But at least we know something that that he did between 7am and 11:50am that morning, he uploaded a photo to Facebook. baby steps piecing that morning together

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      • VegasGuy says:

        The dreds could have been rubber banded up. He could have changed the shirt. The key would be the earring …… Does that show up in the robbery video or any Grassy Knoll videos?

        Unlikely he would have removed it and it is quite prominent. It should be visable on any video taken that day(8/9.

        If not, it is very possible the photo is from an earlier time frame.

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    • sundance says:

      If I had to guess I would say that’s a minivan with the passenger side sliding door open.

      I would also guess that’s not a “selfie”. Someone else took that picture, perhaps with Dorian’s phone, or sent it to him – perhaps they were sitting in the front passenger seat.

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  11. The two in the Monte Carlo were perhaps participants in the drug dealings go Dorian & Mike.
    My hunch- Dorian left his gun with them to dispose of.

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  12. commonsense says:

    Also, could the man in the red hoodie and red shorts standing next to Dorian in the photo above possibly be Deandre Joshua’s twin brother (he goes by Yung Dang Gang on Facebook). Here is a photo to referene:

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  13. If I hear Crump say, “flustrated” one more time I am going to scream.

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  14. commonsense says:

    Deandre Joshua’s blue 2002 Monte Carlo coupe with tinted windows. The same day he posted this, he posted a photo of the white Grand Prix he was killed in. Possible he traded cars?

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  15. Be Ge says:

    There are all sorts of length you can go to get your ass out of accomplice homicide jailtime. Love for something on the rapsheet is one thing, but 15+ behind the bars is a totally different animal.

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  16. Tempest says:

    http://clyp.it/o3wzurgu

    2:17 onwards
    “I betchya they ask bout the car…”

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  17. commonsense says:

    Luh Vee (man in red shorts/shirt with Dorian in photo posted above) with Big Mike, most likely in Grandman’s basement

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  18. commonsense says:

    i guess Luh-Vee is Viron…Viron is not Devorian (read comments attached to this photo by clicking through)

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  19. andi lee says:

    I remember this was posed once before, WHO Is Dorian related to? Why are the Feds, State, City police, GJ, complicit in protecting him?

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  20. commonsense says:

    Here is what I have pieced together over the past few days….pieces are coming together.

    1) Dorian Johnson had a little brother name D’Angelo who was killed back in on 9/7/12 while drag racing:
    http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/article_272c5c6c-f85d-11e1-a273-0019bb30f31a.html

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/michael-brown-and-dorian-johnson-the-friend-who-witnessed-his-shooting/2014/08/31/bb9b47ba-2ee2-11e4-9b98-848790384093_story.html

    2) D’Angelo’s nickname was Lolo and he rolled with the ACME Ave crew.

    3) A member of the ACME crew posts a photo on 9/7/14 (anniversary celebrating Lolo’s life)

    3) Dorian posts the same image on 10/2

    4) Luh Vee (Viron Ganaway – Big Mike’s rap partner) also posts about it on 9/6/14

    So let’s recap…..Dorian’s little brother D’Angelo (Lolo) was killed in 2012 drag racing, he was 16 (Big Mike would also have been 16 at this time). He was part of the ACME Ave crew. Also part of this crew was Big Mike’s rap partner/friend Luh Vee (Viron Ganaway). And if you notice, DeAndre Joshua is also part of this crew (his name is Dre Loc) along with twin brother Dont’A (Yung Dang Gang)….they are referred to as the twins.

    If you look at Luh Vee’s (Viron Ganaway) Facebook page, he has a lot of photos smoking weed in a basement. This is Big Mike’s grandma’s house, where they recorded music in the basement. I previously thought that Big Mike’s roommate at Canfield was his cousin Anthony Livingston. I’m not so sure about that anymore. His roommate could possibly have been Viron Ganaway. Anthony Livingston is 21, but the roommate in Volume 13 says that he was only 1 year older than Big Mike…and it appears Viron meets that age of about 19. Viron also has a sister, Verchelle Ganaway, who has two sons. We know from Volume 13 that the roommate was living at his sister’s place, and the sister had two nephews.

    Also, the roommate replies to Dorian as a “blood cousin”. Although they aren’t related he knows all of his brothers/sisters. Viron Ganaway would know them through D’Angelo (Lolo), who was part of his crew (and seems to be an influential part of his crew from how much they post about him).

    So assuming Big Mike’s rap partner Viron Ganaway is his roommate, then his roommate was part of a crew that included Deandre Joshua. Here are all kinds of Facebook links for your viewing before they get scrubbed:

    Viron Ganaway (Luh Vee)
    https://www.facebook.com/55hunna?fref=ts

    Verchelle Ganaway (Viron’s sister…possibly the owner/renter of the apartment where Big Mike was staying)
    https://www.facebook.com/verchelle.ganaway
    https://plus.google.com/115800400526519766948/posts

    Dre Loc (Deandre Joshua) – part of ACME crew, shot and car set on fire first night of riots after GJ decision:
    https://www.facebook.com/deandre.joshua

    Yung Dang Gang (Dont’A Joshua – Deandre Joshua’s twin brother) – part of ACME crew
    https://www.facebook.com/noodlesndoodle

    Clout Boy Numbaa Nine (Demarcko Miller) – part of the ACME crew, notice his posts on 11/25 regarding DeAndre’s murder. Also, please note he just started Vatterott College in August.
    https://www.facebook.com/damarkco.miller.3?fref=nf

    Ayee KevoCuh (Kevin Ousley) – part of the ACME crew
    https://www.facebook.com/kevin.ousley.90?fref=pb&hc_location=profile_browser

    Kay Loc – part of ACME crew
    https://www.facebook.com/keezy.loc.3

    Luh Kyle Loc – part of ACME crew
    https://www.facebook.com/young.savage.33671?

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    • my66 says:

      This information MUST be made available to Bile dumb Blasio in NYC pronto — he seems to believe Black-on-Black crime is caused by pasty White cops as he continues to willingly ignore reality while “lecturing” Americans about an issue WE solved & WE put to rest DECADES ago. And this was accomplished DESPITE the Sharptons, Jerksons, Obamas & fellow race-industrialists’ incessant attempts to tear US apart & further their careers.

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    • mikesylwester says:

      This case is so damn interesting.

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    • Mr. Izz says:

      The thing with the woman and two sons (Verchelle Ganaway). I’m a little fuzzy on the details (information overload), but I thought Dorian said that Brown was helping an aunt put kids in the car early in the morning.

      If there is a statement about “blood cousins” this could account for the verbiage that Dorian used in his testimony.

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      • commonsense says:

        Dorian said he thought Mike was helping put kids in his Aunties car. But in GJ Volume 13 when the roommate is testifying, he says he lives at his sisters place with his two nephews (his sisters kids). And Mike was helping put the kids in the car for his roommate’s mother (that would be the mother of Viron and Verchelle Ganaway…if we believe those are Mike’s roommates). So that is why Dorian would have said Aunt…because if Mike and Viron are cousins (which Viron says they actually found out after Mike died), then the woman Mike was helping putting kids in the car would technically be his Aunt. It’s confusing

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    • StormyeyesC says:

      Fabulous work Commonsense!

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    • Just Tea says:

      I’m confused over all of the different hand signs.

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    • Tempest says:

      this video exains why DeAndre got killed

      Pretty sure that that is DeAndre in this video admiring he supplies dope:
      https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=921265251218696&id=100000056891225&_rdr

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    • BitterC says:

      Commonsense. Impressive work! You convinced me about Lovie in the thread where you first unearthed that photo of him. I still believe he is the roommate.

      All your digging has also proved to me once again that not having a facebook acct was a smart move on my part despite discounts I could get if I “liked” some store’s page and parties I’ve missed since that’s how my crew operates. I really worry about my friends’ kids that put so much stuff out there, especially since nothing is really ever deleted once it’s been on the web.

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    • LetJusticePrevail" says:

      Don’t get hung up on the term “blood cousin”.

      These folks are gang members. BLOODs to be exact. See the reference BL92d in this post ‘capped from his facebook page?

      Google “BL92d” and see what comes up

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  21. lurking2014 says:

    Wow. The things people publish on the internet.

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  22. coeurdaleneman says:

    Nice shot of Tiffany’s van in the above photo 🙂

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  23. lurking2014 says:

    Johnson’s testimony corroborates that Brown advanced back at Wilson. I missed that on my first time reading through. I read Johnson’s testimony first, well before I learned that witnesses placed Johnson up the driveway into Copper Creek Court.

    As Johnson describes Brown turning to face Wilson, three times he says that Brown is no longer on the sidewalk at the driveway but is now in the middle of the street:

    The first mention of Brown being on the sidewalk before turning to face Wilson is on page 120:

    line 6 The second time he shot, I didn’t know if it hit him or not, but he kind of jerked and that’s when he stopped running. He just kind of stopped and turned around at the officer. And now he’s face to face with the officer, but not so close.

    line 13 Now, Big Mike is probably, he’s not fully at the driveway, but he gets probably to the curb of the driveway when the second shot, and now at the second shot, the officer, I’ll just put DW,
    he’s passing the third vehicle.

    Starting at the top of page 121 Johnson continues to refer to Brown having been on the sidewalk:

    I was still in shock and now I’m just watching the officer, you know, pace towards Big Mike. I see him fire the second shot, I see Big Mike turn around and face the officer. And now the officer is past the last car and Big Mike is off the sidewalk now more in the street.

    After talking about Brown’s hand position for a couple of pages Johnson gives his third and clearest statement that Brown has come back from the sidewalk on page 133:

    Line 16 Big Mike is somewhere here, and the officer is here?

    A Yes. He’s not on the sidewalk no more, he’s on the street level now and the officer has, he’s not so close to the third car, but he’s like, he’s not on the sidewalk on the other side, he’s closer to the other side of the street, the opposite side of Big Mike.

    http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1370493-grand-jury-volume-4.html

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    • lurking2014 says:

      Did I miss a Treeper mention that Johnson said Brown had been up on the sidewalk in the driveway?

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    • coeurdaleneman says:

      I agree that DJ mentioning that MB made it to the driveway is an eyeopener. Where did he get that from? Because it was not common knowledge before the release of the GJ transcripts. I surely don’t recall ever seeing here.

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      • lurking2014 says:

        The way the questioner moves on and the grand jury doesn’t blink must mean that they had already heard something like this in the 2 hour FBI interview they reviewed before Johnson came in that day (september 10th).

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  24. lurking2014 says:

    Good gravy! I can’t believe I missed that Johnson admits Brown was seemingly taking a step towards Wilson when he got shot!

    From Page 125:

    Q Was he walking towards the officer as he was collapsing?

    A He couldn’t get a step off like. When he was giving his second sentence, what he was going to say, it was like he was going to step close to the officer, but like I said, before he could even get
    that sentence out, the rest of the shots was hitting him and he was going down.

    http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1370493-grand-jury-volume-4.html

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  25. popogrown says:

    I have never posted here before but have followed throughout most of this ordeal. One thing that has bothered me for a long time is this. I am from the metro area, and in the first media coverage from August 9th, I could swear I saw Dorian in a clip saying he did not witness the shooting. When he was on KSDK a couple of days later spouting all of his bull about “he had his hands up…I could see he was in pain”, I was jumping up and down screaming he was lying!! I told my sister about it, and she tried to dig up the video from the news websites to no avail. I could kick myself for not hitting record on the dvr that day. Knowing how deceptive the media ALWAYS is, one gets the rawest information in the immediate aftermath. Am I crazy? Did anyone else see this, or do I have him confused with another skinny dreadlock guy? Surely, the detectives and/or feds would have secured ALL media coverage and would be aware of it, if in fact I saw what methinks I saw. Anyone?

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    • Tempest says:

      http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/crime/2014/08/09/police-shooting-ferguson/13832083/

      These are all the videos from KSKD that day concerning the shooting.

      Interesting – I’ve never heard the full McSpadden clip there before – it was always cut off when they played it later on the news.

      “Your not God. You don’t decide when you gonna take somebody from here. If that was the case then I should have took him from here. That was mine. That belonged to me.”

      Points to take from this:

      McSpadden hints that she should be the one who gets to decide when her son dies.
      McSpadden hints that she should be the one who gets to kill her son.
      McSpadden fails to see her son as a human being (thus denying him if his civil/human rights posthumously) – objectifying him by calling him That.

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      • Tempest says:

        unedited Piaget Crenshaw & Dorian Johnson interviews are in the above link

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        • lurking2014 says:

          The six minute long version of Dorian’s grassy knoll ‘hands in the air’ interview is fascinating. The interview is briefly interrupted after he says he fled, by a commotion around the back of the building behind Piaget’s. Calvin Ewing and another gent keep Dorian from following the rushing crowd to see the commotion, although Shahid and most others do leave the interview.

          From comments he makes about a witness having videos, he clearly has spoken with Piaget and probably Tiffany. He says they didn’t record the shooting because they were trying to hide during the shooting!

          and hilariously “Never seen that police officer before. It was our first time stopped today at all by a police officer.”

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          • StormyeyesC says:

            And Piaget, says “as a backstory she heard that”, implying no first hand knowledge. She also says she posted her video to FB and emailed it before she gave cops her phone…….certainly that helped gin up her account.
            The crazy sizzurp video guy knew too much (corrected which store, spoke of gun, etc.) to be uninvolved IMO. Is he identified?

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            • lurking2014 says:

              Way too much information. He knows all the details of the robbery and who was shooting where in the crowd at the scene. His rant at the end about how “we” can get heavily armed,too, is classic.

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        • lurking2014 says:

          Johnson elaborates on the traffic that was passing him and Brown on Canfield. Says that only the officer was bothered by them walking in the middle of the street.

          “We were just having a conversation. Just in the street. No one said anything to us but him. And the way he said it, it was like he was demanding that we do something that he wanted us to do.” 4:30

          “Even before he touched US, he tried to hit us with his car. There is no doubt about that — he tried to hit us. We have it on footage how the car was parked. That’s exactly what happened.” 4:55

          “I’m actually with the family right now. I had to reach out. I had to find his family. I didn’t know exactly where everybody was at. But the little people i did find, they reached out and called more people.” 5:20

          “I really can’t believe it happened the way it happened because we wasn’t causing any trouble.” 5:40

          “Right now it’s about getting justice. Something’s got to be done about this. We’re trying to figure out what’s going to be done about this. That’s all we’re doing.”

          http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/crime/2014/08/09/police-shooting-ferguson/13832083/

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          • BitterC says:

            “Right now it’s about getting justice. Something’s got to be done about this. We’re trying to figure out what’s going to be done about this. That’s all we’re doing.”

            Would this be the royal “‘we”??

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            • lurking2014 says:

              If you consider puppetmaster Anthony Shahid royalty, yes. The royal we. Dorian Johnson didn’t turn this into a quest for ‘justice’ on his own.

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    • Mr. Izz says:

      Welcome to the Treehouse! Enjoy your stay.

      … be careful of the splinters.

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  26. popogrown says:

    Thank you, Tempest. It would have been KSDK or Fox2 that I was watching. I checked Fox2’s 2014 archive, and August is conveniently missing. I am no computer guru, though. I have a difficult time drumming up sympathy for Ms. McSpadden, although I do try. Many may disagree, but I feel that abortion-on-demand and euthanasia has led to the objectification of people. Sad as it truly is, if a child is reduced to a “blob” of cells or a “choice”, is this not a natural outcome of said mentality?

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    • Tempest says:

      I’ve already had issues with FoxNews myself – they periodically delete footage – its a nuisance.

      I think the key to what McSpadden was saying was she was trying to say that Wilson “[Is] not God.” & expands on this by reflecting on herself as God “If that were the case I should have…”

      Anyhow. I get where she is coming from and its interesting to think that McSpadden’s “angel” was Wilson’s “demon” (are not demons called angels?).

      At this point I am holding everything to the same standard as Crump, Parks & Grey – who have been trying to read anthing into everything.

      ‘Gnome sayin’?

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  27. jakeandcrew says:

    Passenger of white Monte Carlo says both doors were opened, the driver says only the passenger side door was open:

    The passenger –
    http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1370496-grand-jury-volume-7.html
    Page 161 –
    “So from then I end up telling (driver), this don’t seem right. After I heard that first shot back up, back up and open your door, open my door, so we don’t catch no shot or what else is going to go on.”
    Q – “So why did you want the doors open?”
    A – “So we could duck.”
    Q – “You felt you could duck better if the door was open?”
    A – “Yeah.”

    Page 168 –
    “So from seeing that and whatnot, I got doors are still open. So the first thing Dorian say, can you take me down here? I’m like, hell no.”

    The driver –
    http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1370501-grand-jury-volume-12.html
    Page 127 –
    “When the first gunshot, that is when Dorian ran. I guess he ducked down, I didn’t even know where he come from. I just know when (passenger) had the door open, because he had my passenger door wide open so he can get down and that’s when I seen Dorian like right there like on the sidewalk.”

    Page 85 –
    (from her interview with the FBI)
    Q – “You already were down inside the vehicle?
    A – “Yes, ma’am, at that time I was down.”
    Q – “At any point did you open your car door?”
    A – “Oh, no, ma’am, I did not open up my driver’s side of the car.”
    Q – “How about (passenger), did he open his door?”
    A – “Yes, ma’am, he did.”
    Q – “Do you know why?”
    A – “Actually to get down. We were scared, terrified. I mean, I can’t tell you why he did it, but I know he was hanging outside of the car trying to get, you know, shelter or whatnot.”

    The whole opening the car door for extra protection doesn’t make sense. I think he opened that door and got in the backseat so Dorian could jump in quickly.

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  28. StormyeyesC says:

    I can’t tell a Monte Carlo from a Subaru. I am not a car person. However, is the white car seen pulling into the driveway at about 2:17 of this video a Monte Carlo?

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  29. StormyeyesC says:

    In the same video at about 4:19 guy says “I saw the car”………what car? The Monte Carlo he assumes was involved?

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  30. StormyeyesC says:

    Rewatching this video is interesting. I hear Shahid, many times throughout on the background, saying “They had him on the ground and they still shoot that boy”. And he is yelling it.

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  31. StormyeyesC says:

    The background guy that says, “He ran up there where we live at”. I just made out a few words before that statement. Listen about 6:08 mark………”the guy with dreads, that’s the one that……”
    So this guy “saw the car “and saw Dorian running and saw him again to point him out.

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    • sundaybu says:

      I think the person saying “He ran up there where we live at” thought that Dorian was the shooter of MB, at that point. Not sure if that same guy later in the video is the same one that says “police shot this boy!?!?”

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  32. ftsk420 says:

    3:18 on the video car on the right light colored Monte Carlo

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  33. jakeandcrew says:

    There’s a strange passage in the Monte Carlo driver’s interview with the FBI agents, concerning Dorian and whether or not he was in the car.

    Pages 88-90
    http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1370501-grand-jury-volume-12.html

    Q (female agent) – ” And now where in what you just described in the ducking and the blacking out and the looking back up, at what point did the guy with the dreads come over to the car?”
    A – “Actually, when I did go out for a little bit, like I said, I just blanked out a little bit, but when I was down, I did open up my eyes. I was still down, and that’s when I saw the young man with the dreads, where (passenger) had the door open, he had it slung open. He was on the curb, but he had — he crawled. You could tell that he crawled. He was in the car and he just basically asked me could I get him away from here because it is crazy.”

    2 things –
    “…he (passenger) had it slung open…”
    “He (Dorian) was IN THE CAR and he just basically…”

    Q (female agent) – “Is that what he said?”
    A – “Yes, ma’am.”
    Q (female agent) – “Get me away from here, it’s crazy?”
    A – “Yes, ma’am.”
    Q (female agent) – “Do you have a two-door car?”
    A – “Yes, ma’am.”
    Q (female agent) – “So when (passenger’s) passenger door is kind of opened?”
    A – “It’s opened wide.”
    Q (female agent) – “Okay.”

    Why does the agent say “kind of opened” when she had just testified that he had it slung open?

    Q (female agent) – “So the guy with the dreads kind of crawled over?”
    A – “Yes, ma’am.”
    Q (female agent) – “What was your response to him?”
    A – “Actually, I told him to get down. That’s all I had, I mean, that was the only thing that came to my mind, just get down.”
    Q (female agent) – “Okay. And then –”
    Q (MALE agent) – “Obviously, you didn’t let the guy with the dreads in your car?”
    A – “No sir, I did not.”

    Does that seem strange to anyone else? Isn’t that what’s called a “leading question”?

    The questioning about Dorian goes on through page 92. They’re very focused on this part w/ Dorian.

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    • lurking2014 says:

      And the answer “No sir I did not,” does not preclude her boyfriend letting the guy with the dreads into the car. Gotta parse.

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      • LetJusticePrevail" says:

        Yes, I thought the same thing when I first read that question and answer. There’s a big difference between:

        “Did you LET him in the car?” -and-

        “Did he GET in the car?”

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    • “He was IN THE CAR [!!!!!] and he just basically asked me could I get him away from here because it is crazy.”

      Good catch. I missed that one.

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  34. Bob Stone says:

    Anyone know how many witnesses said that Johnson wasn’t next to Brown during the altercation at the car?

    Besides #10 and Mike Brady?

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