MH-370 – Update: Residents Of The Maldives Report Possible March 8th Sighting Of Missing Malaysian Flight…

 Previously: “Watch The Maldives”   Now today:

HAVEERU NEWS - Residents of the remote Maldives island of Kuda Huvadhoo in Dhaal Atoll have reported seeing a “low flying jumbo jet” on the morning of the disappearance of the Malaysia Airlines flight MH370.

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Whilst the disappearance of the Boeing 777 jet, carrying 239 passengers has left the whole world in bewilderment, several residents of Kuda Huvadhoo told Haveeru on Tuesday that they saw a “low flying jumbo jet” at around 6:15am on March 8.

They said that it was a white aircraft, with red stripes across it – which is what the Malaysia Airlines flights typically look like.

Eyewitnesses from the Kuda Huvadhoo concurred that the aeroplane was travelling North to South-East, towards the Southern tip of the Maldives – Addu. They also noted the incredibly loud noise that the flight made when it flew over the island.

“I’ve never seen a jet flying so low over our island before. We’ve seen seaplanes, but I’m sure that this was not one of those. I could even make out the doors on the plane clearly,” said an eyewitness.    (link)

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INDEPENDENT NEWS - REPORTS from a Maldives news organisation today said that islanders saw a “low flying jumbo jet”.

The Haveeru news website has reported that witnesses saw a plane flying low at around 6.15am on March 8.

It was flying north to south-west, according to the report.

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“I’ve never seen a jet flying so low over our island before,” a witness told the organisation.

“We’ve seen seaplanes, but I’m sure that this was not one of those. I could even make out the doors on the plane clearly.

“It’s not just me either, several other residents have reported seeing the exact same thing. Some people got out of their houses to see what was causing the tremendous noise too.”

Earlier furious Chinese families have threatened to go on hunger strike until the Malaysian government tells them the truth about the fate of their relatives aboard a Malaysia Airlines flight which went missing en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing.  (read more)

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59 Responses to MH-370 – Update: Residents Of The Maldives Report Possible March 8th Sighting Of Missing Malaysian Flight…

  1. Chip Bennett says:

    …which means that its destination was, where, exactly? Seems like the long way ’round to get to Pakistan or Iran.

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    • Cyber says:

      If you wanted to fly it to Iran, it’s a possible route with minimal landmass to pass over.

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    • sundance says:

      Apologies in advance if this gets too long or wonky but this information is from my *most* trusted:

      As people are looking at the flight MH 370 disappearance – the considerations of most interested observers are from a popular but flawed paradigm of “radar”.

      The commercial use of radar stopped as long ago as rabbit ears on television signals (uhf/vhf). Once we began launching satellites into orbit the entire transportation industry switched to satellite tracking. Satellite tracking and GPS location is NOT radar.

      Satellite tracking is efficient, cheaper and more accurate but it has one flaw – it requires a signal from the mode being tracked. That’s what the transponders do.

      At every airport or runway there is a homing beacon. It historically is a signal sent from the ground that was housed in a device that looked like a giant bowling pins. Eventually the beaconing signals were moved to outer markers that are buildings and no longer bowling pins.

      On board airplanes the signal is sent from transponders to satellites and back to these beacons. The incoming data is then presented on a screen that looks like radar, but it’s not. It’s only called a radar screen as a term that never changed. The screen tracks the transponder signal based on global positioning satellites and displays it based on the coordinates being relayed.

      This is how Air Traffic Controllers monitor flight air space. They are looking at signals that emanate from the plane to a satellite and then back to the ground.

      Yes, there are rotating radar search signals at airports – but they are rarely used. They are just viewed as a failsafe in the event the incoming plane loses the capability to transmit their data.

      RADAR, as it is commonly known, is only used by the military now, and more importantly only utilized to scour an area that might present a hostile inbound unidentified entity. Radar transmissions rely on long or short wave signals sent into the air space which, if they hit an object, will return a bounce signal.

      Commercial air traffic does not use such archaic methods because a decision was made in the modern era to have the plane transmit their signal (location) to the ground. It’s just cheaper to have the plan announce itself (transponder) than to have the ground look for the plane (radar).

      And the disappearance of flight MH-370 is what could possibly change 30 years of preconceived efficiency evolution in aviation traffic and tracking.

      It might change the paradigm – because for the first time the civilian authorities are faced with the problem of what happens when an airplane intentionally does not want to be found and therefore stops transmitting itself. How can you find something that ‘goes dark’ and no longer wants to be found? Such is the new paradigm.

      It is beyond easy to fly around undetected if you stop broadcasting yourself. “Radar” is only aimed toward a hostile area, so if you avoid the space where radar would be targeted you avoid contact.

      Example: INDIA. India has most of their primary military radar focused toward the direction of their known inbound risk – Pakistan. Southern India has almost no radar and the radar that’s there is remote operated and does not cover much airspace.

      This is how we fly military Drones undetected. We fly drones undetected in/around airspace by knowing where the radar is targeted and avoiding it. Easy peasy.

      My trusted pals told me to look at two things an intentional flight would look to avoid. One of them is the “known radar’ space. The second thing is heavily trafficked shipping channels.

      If you don’t want to be seen then you do three things: 1.) turn off your identifying transmission (transponder). 2.) avoid the limited military radar areas which might be broadcasting long or short wave signals. and 3.) avoid the highways that shipping channels represent.

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      • 2x4x8 says:

        Thanks Sundance, real informative, appreciate your work.

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      • Aslan's Girl says:

        Fascinating, sundance. Thank you so much.

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      • FlyingSailor says:

        So how come when I’m flying my airplane, have a transponder failure, ATC can still “see” me via a primary return? Since my transponder is essentially “off” due to the failure, they don’t exactly know that the return they are seeing is actually me. How do we get around this? Simple, I tell them my position. If that matches what they see, they know it’s me. Or if there are two contact close together, they can tell me to turn right/left 30-40 degrees, and then observe which primary return on their radar screen responds accordingly, thus they now know who I am. Satellites have nothing to do with this.

        Yes, satellite tracking has become more prevalent. However a satellite “transponder” is not the same as a 4096-code Modes-S transponder in an aircraft. In the US, radar is heavily used. You’re trusted source is seriously mixing apples and oranges. Granted things do get a bit more primitive (making position reports) in very remote areas, but saying the commercial use of radar (other than military) is simply incorrect.

        Having spoken with a couple Captains that have actually flown that area, radar coverage is sketchy, and ATC services even more so at times. However, what you’re source told you is a gross over-simplification of one aspect of aircraft tracking.

        I’d recommend scheduling a tour (believe it or not, you still can visit) of a local Air Traffic Control Tower, or even better yet a TRACON or ARTCC to see first hand how radar works in the air traffic system.

        Regards,
        -Flying Sailor
        Commercial Pilot
        Electrical Engineer

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        • sundance says:

          Perhaps you are comparing your personal experience of flying within a fully tracked singular grid (America) to flying in regions without established and inter-connected networks.

          My source, while simplifying the explanation for me, has logged over 20,000+ hours at the controls of a Boeing E-3 Sentry alone… (I trust his discernment ;) ).

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          • SAFVet says:

            I’m going to come down on the side of Flying Sailor on this one… I think what your source has done is conflate three methods of tracking flying aircraft.

            First, there is Primary Radar. This depends on an active transmitter attached to a directional antenna that (usually) rotates to sweep a beam of pulses around a circle. The radio energy reflected from an object (e.g. airplane) is returned to the antenna, and displayed on a radar scope/computer screen. This is the least reliable means of tracking a flying object because of the numerous variables that affect signal strength. Still, it’s the best available for a non-cooperating target, hence it’s use by the military, and also as a backup by the civilian ATC agencies.

            Second is Secondary Radar. This takes advantage of a cooperating target, i.e. an aircraft with a transponder on board. The ground “radar” (which is usually mounted on the primary radar antenna at a given ATC site) transmits interrogation pulses to whatever aircraft may be in it’s beam at the moment. The airborne transponder receives the interrogation pulse and replies with a coded set of pulses that contain (for modern aircraft) the “squawk” code assigned by ATC and the aircraft barometric altitude. This “squawk” is received by the secondary radar equipment and is displayed on the same radar scope/monitor as the primary radar returns for that radar station. However, since the aircraft is transmitting a strong signal, vs a weak reflection from the skin, the reliability of the position info is greatly enhanced.

            Third, and last, I suspect that your source is referring to a GPS-based system that is currently in development called ADS-B. This is a system whereby the aircraft measures its position via GPS and transmits this info plus a whole lot of other info to a network of ground stations that are set up to receive and forward the info to interested parties. Please see the following link for a lot more info about this. The key point about tracking commercial aircraft over open ocean areas by satellite is that there has to be a system in place to receive the data. ADS-B is still too new and sparsely implemented for ATC to rely on for primary traffic control. Note that ADS-B does *not* transmit tracking info to satellites – only ground stations.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_dependent_surveillance-broadcast#Worldwide_implementations_of_ADS-B

            The ACARS system being referred to by the news stories is another such system, but it is intended to send technical information about the aircraft, including GPS position, but as you have seen in the news stories, only transmits at extended intervals.

            If you can provide more detail about the satellite tracking system your source refers to, I would be most interested in reading it.

            Regards,

            SAFVet
            Commercial Pilot
            Retired USAF Engineer

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          • elvischupacabra says:

            I’m with the two aviators who previously posted. I can’t really add much.

            As I’ve mentioned before, I fly all over the third world in a Dassault Falcon with all the bells and whistles. My aircraft operates in all types of traffic control environments, especially over there. Sometimes, in that part of the world, when they have a power failure or a radar malfunction, I’ve even been routed by radio transmission using VFR.

            In Russia, I can even fly “unpublished” air routes as long as I (no joke) bring along a Russian navigator. He sits in the left seat while my copilot and business partner sits in the cabin and plays Sudoku. Most of the Russian’s “navigating” is via radio, using what’s probably the vestiges of the old Soviet tradition of vectoring from the ground. In the military world this is GCI.

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      • rovatek says:

        Very interesting. I wonder if any of the passenger’s electronic devices could have left a trace?

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    • myopiafree says:

      The senior pilot just went “nuts” – and choose to do a “world cruise” in his airplane. Totally loony.

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  2. auscitizenmom says:

    This is just baffling..

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  3. Aslan's Girl says:

    Literally “flying under the radar”.
    Praying Israel finds out where it is and bombs it before it gets a nuke loaded (if that theory is true).
    Anyone who is watching Christian tv lately knows there’s a lot of buzz about the four upcoming “blood moons” — a lunar eclipse during a Jewish holiday and, historically, whenever there is a “blood moon” something eventful happens to the Jewish people. The first blood moon is in four weeks, April 15 during Passover. Hmmmm.

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  4. Aslan's Girl says:

    This is the email I received from Pastor John Hagee today, thought you’d like to read it, too:

    “Secondly, the missing Malaysian Jet! Connect these points. In the 9/11 disaster, global terrorists proved that commercial airliners were the weapon of choice in their terrorist attacks. The Malaysian Jet 777 was obviously taken over by either the pilot or someone on the plane. The news is now saying the pilot has a very definite hatred for Israel. Because America has very sophisticated electronics that could find the plane if it were in the water with its “black box” beeping, it is logical to assume the plane has landed.

    “It is also logical to assume it is an act of terrorism and the plane will be used at some future date as a weapon of mass destruction against a nation radical Islam selects. It is reasonable to put Israel’s name at the top of the list. If there was ever a time to fulfill the command of King David to “pray for the peace of Jerusalem” it’s NOW!

    “The most powerful weapon we have is the power of prayer! I am asking every one of our partners at noon every day this week to pray for our intelligence agencies to find that plane and for God’s protection over the State of Israel.”

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    • 2x4x8 says:

      Just a note, much of the Islamic countries would seem to be, distance wise, outside of the 777 fuel traveling range, if it was spotted near Maldives, a link to large enough possible runways:

      http://mashable.com/2014/03/16/malaysia-airlines-runways/

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    • rovatek says:

      I’ll be praying for America and my fellow Americans, some of whom were on that plane.

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    • JeremyR says:

      Possible, but lets also remember that the 777 has the range to reach the eastern United States from Iran with ease. To attack Israel, they could use a 727 737, or any of the vast variety of small planes available. If it was the pilot acting on a whim, he would not have a place to go.
      Also please note, the time line for this is wrong. The plane last pinged at about 4:30 maldives time. anything is possible at this point including a false report by accomplices. If this is an Iranian group, they could have helpers anywhere. My guess is we need to be watching out for attacks on March 20, Oil Nationalization day, March21-24 the Persian New Year, and April 1 the Revolution Day. They are all significant dates for Iranian groups to pick. I would bet on April 1

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      • Aslan's Girl says:

        Very good points, Jeremy, about it being a 777 which points to a country far away from Iran. Also, thanks for the info about important dates to Iranians coming up soon.

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  5. Sam says:

    Here’s an article from Wired: http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/
    It’s by the same pilot who first wrote this scenario on google+. Wired asked for permission to print it with copyediting. I hope Goodfellow is right in his analysis. Despite the loss of life, it’s the least frightening scenario of those I’ve seen so far. And the simplest.

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    • hawkeye13 says:

      Interesting article. Just looking, it could be that it was going that direction and went past the Maldives very low…? Roughly a straight line from where it turned around past the airport (Pulau Langkawi) mentioned in the Wired article to the Maldives…

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  6. Abagail says:

    Did these Malaysian tuna fisherman see missing flight MH370 flying low over the Gulf of Thailand as it tried to stay off radar?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2583807/Did-Malaysian-tuna-fisherman-missing-flight-MH370-flying-low-Gulf-Thailand-tried-stay-radar.html

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  7. MouseTheLuckyDog says:

    I find the electrical fire a good possibility. I also find the hijacking to be unlikjely. THe reason being simple. The plane would have been used already. On the ground, you need a good runway, someplace to store it, and maintenance.

    Not only would the plane have to refuel, but it would need tires checked and air added ( at least if it did not want a tire blown on takeoff ), lubrication checked, I’m not sure about avionics but I suspect so and hydralics checked. Probably other things. The longer it stayed on the ground the more things it would need. So I think if the hijacking/bomb scenario is correct then it would have been used by now.

    A possibility I do see is hijacking, then not knowing where he was because he didn’t know where he was and then crashing. BTW probably the easiest way to kill a transponder is to pull the busses, then restore circuits but not the transponder. Something could have gone wrong with that.

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  8. mung says:

    Got to love the comments on CNN, these people have no idea how a plane works.

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    • radish says:

      The most ignorant comments are at NYDaily. Reflects alarmingly shallow and vapid readership.

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      • mung says:

        I got into a debate with a girl who said she was a software enineer (sic) and that they dialed up the wrong city on the navigation computer. She couldn’t quite comprehend that the navigation computer doesn’t have city names on it.

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    • elvischupacabra says:

      CNN Aviation Expert: “Ah, yes Bob, when you push that steering wheel thingy forward, it makes houses and cars and trees get bigger. When you pull backward, they get smaller, and if you pull it back too far, all you see is sky.”
      :lol:

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  9. radish says:

    So if radar was not a huge issue, does this negate the Singapore Airline shadowing theory? Did the SA travel towards Maldives? It is reported that the piloteer turned the plane and slotted into a typical route which would fly to the nearest airport, hinting at a desired emergency landing…….and yet the Malay plane kept flying for 7 hours thereafter. I’d be interested to know if the SA pilot was in league with the Malay piloteer and cooperated with the shadowing. It can be done if both planes work together much like V formations. If airplanes can be re-fueled in flight by another, shadowing is possible for a brief period until another target reached whereby the second plane can redirect.

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    • sundance says:

      I think the “shadowing theory” really only applies to a future event.

      The MH 370 flight was in the middle of the night with little to no other air traffic around.

      If the flight was actually trying to avoid detection, the flight would only need to hold low altitude around the immediate beginning of the journey, once over open water going back to fuel efficiency altitude 30,000 ft-ish would be the next step. Then cruise comfortably until your next way point.

      It was explained to me that only course corrections would be needed to avoid detection thereafter. Some north / south adjustments to insure your ability to stay out of high frequency Radar range (short distance) and generally ignore the risk of low frequency (long range) radar which is more rare (sparse) than the former and only used in very specific locales.

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      • Stormy says:

        Retired General McInerney was on Hannity tonight and said there was an unconfirmed report of a plane shadowing a flight across the tip of India (he gave the flight #) AND he said that Boeing says the plane IS in Pakistan.

        He said he expects Malaysia or Pakistan to say something within the next 24-48 hours or they would be considered complicit.

        He said last Friday that the plane was in Pakistan, ftr.

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      • Stormy says:

        He said we know a lot more than is coming out.

        Specifically, Gen. IcInerney said if the Pakistani government doesn’t talk soon, they are going to be complicit in this.

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      • Stormy says:

        Sean Hannity asked him, if this plane landed in Pakistan, the Pakistani’s would have to know that? General McInerney said, “Yes.”

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      • Stormy says:

        The General said that Boeing says that the plane is at an airfield in a Taliban controlled part of West Pakistan. He said there were 3 airfields that could handle the 777.

        Gen. McInerney said that the two pilots, who he believes are both involved, turned off the transponders, and ACARS, but did not turn off their VHF and other radios and were in communication with the other people who were in on it.

        He also said the United States has a HUGE amount of listening devices in that area… he referred to it as a vacuum cleaner… and that we know more than we are saying.

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  10. sundance says:

    The report of the flight landing in Pakistan aligns with all other aspects of our initial theory:

    http://www.lignet.com/InBriefs/Malaysia-Hunts-for-Missing-Jet-in-Pakistan-Israel-

    Remember Boeing has monitoring of it’s componentry that it offers as a service. Malaysian Airlines did not subscribe to the service – however, that only confirms the capability to “switch on” the service lies with Boeing – not the customer. Boeing could “activate” at any time.

    The removal of U.S. military ships in the search would not be done if they thought they could find it at sea.

    The Israeli military would not be preparing if they thought the plane was grounded.

    Pakistan “political” officials have said MH-370 could not stealth into their airspace – however most of their defense monitoring is aimed toward India.

    Pakistan is a VERY divided political/cultural razor wire – caught between the Islamist Taliban and more western friendly espousals.

    If the plane was inside Pakistan, the political chess game of how to save the face for the Western friendly politicals (the ones who said it could never reach them) becomes the primary factor.

    If the plane is inside Pakistan, the world will ask “why” – this question represents a risk to the Pakistan internals from their claims of anti-terror. Remember, OBL hid there for years and the same folks claimed they never knew.

    OBL was killed on May 2nd 2011 !!!! Would the Pakistan Islamist movement be looking to use this 777 for an event on such an anniversary ?

    Pakistan, like Iran, would make a reasonable suspicion for destination. However, Pakistan as a fractured state government would more likely have a rogue element willing to assist in pulling this off without the more Western friendly elements knowing about it.

    HMMMMM ?

    Find this plane !!

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    • elvischupacabra says:

      That’s the AHMS (Aircraft Health Monitoring System), which is a Boeing product. Even if your airline doesn’t “buy” the service, Boeing still monitors their product, both for reliability and warranty data.

      The engines transmit data all the time to both Boeing and the engine manufacturers. It’s no small secret that the RR Trents and GE-90s are so expensive, that most carriers lease their engines from a third party and pay for their use, by the hour. The same holds true for the APUs. For obvious reasons, these monitoring systems stay on all the time.

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  11. justfactsplz says:

    Well, one thing we know for sure. Aircraft can enter Pakistan without them knowing about it. They were very upset with us over that. I never believed they did not know about Bin Laden being there right under their nose.

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  12. CrankyinAZ says:

    I would bet Boeing “unofficially” monitors their equipment all the time anyway… whether the customer requests it or not… so there would be no turning it “on.” However, it wouldn’t be giving up data like a cell-phone, continuously… so that would account for some of the delay. I also wonder if some of the systems weren’t disabled by this time…

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  13. Kairn says:

    Iran right now is more stable overall than Pakistan. Too many wahoos and rogue elements in all spheres of Pakistan to risk bringing in this big jet and having competent and non-fractious help to squirrel it away for a nefarious retrofit. Not to mention there probably isn’t a very capable cadre of disciplined characters who would be qualified to work on various aspects of this plane in Pakistan. Yes, it could be in Pakistan, but I can’t help but keep leaning towards Iran. The planners of this heist aren’t a grab bag of islamic wahoos. This heist was and is a very serious affair. Perhaps many years in the planning and in the training.

    Why not Iran? It is more stable than Pakistan or any other ‘stan. Hasn’t Iran aided, abetted and sponsored countless terrorist acts? What would keep the Iranian government from giving orders to their military to allow this flight free and safe passage into Iran? And to allow this plane to land at say the Isfahan International Airport for instance? Who would have even noted anything unusual? It was a commercial jet coming in to land at an international airport, meh. Perhaps this jet has been hiding basically in plain sight in Iran.

    Now, I believe the genius of their plan and what the next stage is meant to be has gone a bit awry. Because I believe they had not calculated in the Boeing angle. A satellite pinging the running engines for hours after the plane was directed off its regular course. The world was not supposed to know how long the plane flew on after that sudden turn. Nor how it flew at a variety of elevations. I don’t think they wanted the world to understand how they likely killed all passengers on board by way of oxygen depravation. These evil bastards have lost the ability to leverage with hostages (unless they have kept 3 to 5 alive). The world was meant to still be floundering around in various bodies of water looking for a downed plane. The world was not meant to be given so many lucky clues. And the world was not meant to have any idea from where this retrofitted phantom plane will be taking off from. Loaded with lord knows what, except no good.

    May The Lord God Above reveal all the rest soon. Pray this plane has become permanently grounded.

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  14. radish says:

    Could MH370 have been ‘swapped’ mid-air?

    If MH370 had a code of, say 4376, then it would be pretty easy to get another aircraft, say a Gulfstream 5 private jet, to fly up behind it and swap codes. The Gulfstream sets its squawk code to the same as MH370’s code of 4376 then the B777 takes on the Gulfstream’s code, and they then split… It would certainly make it easier for the B777 to continue on undetected.

    Read http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/world/a/22048613/could-mh370-have-been-swapped-mid-air/

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  15. radish says:

    Air traffic controllers use secondary radar which works by talking to the transponder. Some air traffic control systems also blend in some primary radar, which uses a simple echo.

    But primary radar signals fade faster than secondary ones, meaning even a residual blip would have vanished for controllers and even military radar may have found it difficult to identify the 777 from other ghostly blips, said radar expert Hans Weber.

    “Turning off the transponder indicates this person was highly trained,” said Weber, of consultancy TECOP International.

    http://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/22029295/insight-planning-could-hold-key-to-disappearance-of-flight-mh370/

    An airplane can turn off its communications systems but still travel covertly using GPS guided by merged signals received from 5 satellites, to an accuracy of 5 cm. Covertly, meaning the GPS receives no signals from the plane when communication is set to off, but not vice versa. Also Malaysian authorities have scoffed at the idea the plane flew at low levels to hide since the pilot can better camouflage its worrisome waywardness from military radar by simply flying in a smooth arc much like a commercial plane.

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