The Fabrication of Evidence Is A Crime

The Discovery Evidence in case of State of Florida vs. George Zimmerman clearly shows that Witness #8 “DeeDee” the mysterious girlfriend of Trayvon Martin is 18-years-old.

[pg #1 F-2] Witness #8 is 18-years-old and was 18 at the time of Benjamin Crump’s interview with her on 3/19/12 according to her sworn statement to State Prosecutors on 4/2/12.

So why did the media and the Trayvon Family of Attorney’s report to the public that DeeDee was 16-years-old on 3/20/12  ?


(ABC) Trayvon Martin’s Last Phone Call Triggers Demand for Arrest ‘Right Now’ 

ABC News was there exclusively as the 16-year-old girl told Crump about the last moments of the teenager’s life. Martin had been talking to his girlfriend all the way to the store where he bought Skittles and a tea. The phone was in his pocket and the earphone in his ear, Crump said. - Matt Gutman

Gutman tweet 2

Natalie Jackson and Benjamin Crump jasmine rand 1 natalie Jackson Parks and Crump

Attorneys’ Benjamin Crump, Natalie Jackson, Jasmine Rand and Daryl Parks also falsely identified DeeDee as Trayvon’s 16-year-old girlfriend.   Here - and Here – and Here – misleading the public and the courts.

The Global Grind also reported the details on behalf of the family:

Scheme Team with Russel Simmons April 14

The 16-year-old girl who was on the phone with Trayvon Martin in his final moments has come forward, saying that she has  not been interviewed by Sanford police – despite Trayvon telling her he was  being followed.

[...]  Trayvon’s 16-year-old girlfriend, who is only being identified as DeeDee,  recounted the final moments of her conversation with Trayvon before the line  went dead.  (article continues)

But she’s not Sixteen, she’s Eighteen.   So what gives?   What else are they lying about?



And why did the State of Florida never correct the hundreds of interviews given by the Trayvon Family and their Legal Representatives to both media, and law enforcement, where they claimed “DeeDee” was a 16-year-old minor?

Michelle Obama and Sybrina Fulton Daryl Parks and President Obama

Michelle Obama and Sybrina Fulton (Trayvon Mom) – Attorney Daryl Parks and President Obama

Something is SERIOUSLY rotten here.    Perhaps it is not illegal to lie to the public, and perhaps it is not illegal for the media to assist in lying to the public, but it cannot be legal to lie to State Prosecuting authorities, manipulate evidence, and manufacture a falsehood just to get a person convicted of a crime.

Or, perhaps that should be a question:  “in the new Obama-America is it” ?


March 20th 2012 – ON CNN -  CNN legal analyst, Sunny Hostin joining, me now with more on all of this.   Why don’t we go ahead and start with Trayvon’s cell phone friend? I understand you actually have a copy of her sworn affidavit. Give us the details, Sunny. We’ll kind of unfold the conversation from there.

SUNNY HOSTIN, CNN LEGAL ANALYST:  Good morning, Kyra. I do not have a copy, though, of the sworn affidavit, but I did speak to one of the Martin family attorneys this morning for at least half an hour and she and I discussed this phone call.

Apparently Trayvon Martin on that night had been trading phone calls with a 16-year-old friend, a girl, and as they traded phone calls, one of the last phone calls, was at about 7:04.

Trayvon Martin told his friend that someone was following him. He was nervous. He was concerned. She explained to him that he should run. He told her he was not going to run, but he was going to walk quickly in an effort to get away from the person that he thought was pursuing him.

Well, Kyra, she then heard Trayvon Martin say to someone, “Why are you following me?”

That person then said to Trayvon Martin, “Who are you? Why are you here? What is your name?”

At that point at about 7:16 p.m., she says that the phone call dropped, that she felt that someone had pushed or tackled Trayvon and, at that point, the phone call dropped.

She tried to call him several times after that, no response, and, according to the timeline that the police are giving us, someone from the police department did arrive at about 7:17, just a minute later.

PHILLIPS: OK. So, Sunny, from what you just told us and what we’re learning about this phone call with this lady friend and what she is saying happened and how this al unfolded that night, still, how does this play a part in the number of investigations that are going on now because George Zimmerman has not been charged?

He says he was acting in self-defense. So, how does this play into the many ongoing investigations?

HOSTIN: Well, certainly this is very frustrating for the family. That is what the family attorney told me. They are pleased that so many people have stepped forward and are investigating this case, but she just told me, the family attorney, that the state attorney’s office in Florida has sent this to the grand jury.

That will happen on April 10th, so that is breaking news, Kyra. Our understanding is that the grand jury will be looking at this case on April 10th and, so, the case certainly is moving forward in that regard.  (continue reading historical transcript from CNN) 

Well if, on 3/20/12 the female Martin Family Attorney (either Natalie Jackson or Jasmine Rand) was conveying a frustration the case was going to a Grand Jury, then perhaps that is why the need to manufacture evidence and avoid the potential dismissal, or GJ nullification.   Perhaps that is why they needed to make up a “reason for an arrest”?   They did not want to risk the Grand Jury.

This CNN interview, along with dozens of others, provides no escape for the lie about DeeDee the attorneys’ apparently coordinated.

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318 Responses to The Fabrication of Evidence Is A Crime

  1. boutis says:

    I do not think that in the history of fraud that there has ever been a case that was better documented. The Scheme Team used the press and media like a rented mule to get what they wanted. Ms Hostin, a former federal prosecutor and currently a multi-platform journalist (did she make that up herself) was willing to repeat anything for some air time on CNN. Ms Hostin should enjoy repeating what she was told to tell to the public under oath. Using attorneys as commentators is a slippery slope. They have difficulty claiming “dumb-ass” status in libel. They know better which gives their utterances authority which is why the Scheme Team used them and spent thirty minutes talking to one of “the club”.

  2. Angel says:

    “Something is SERIOUSLY rotten here. Perhaps it is not illegal to lie to the public, and perhaps it is not illegal for the media to assist in lying to the public, but it cannot be legal to lie to State Prosecuting authorities, manipulate evidence, and manufacture a falsehood just to get a person convicted of a crime.”

    When I saw the picture of SF schmoozing with FLOTUS a few days ago, I just got the feeling that nothing is going to happen to anyone who had a hand in this except they will get more awards. I just hope and will continue to pray that GZ and his family can get out of harm’s way and remain hopeful that a higher arbiter of justice will take care of the rest. I knew the Justice system had its faults but never in my wildest imagination would I have thought something could occur like this and people actually awarded for it.

    • boutis says:

      Once the criminal case fully implodes I am going to urge Congressional hearings to my rep who is a former judge and on the Judiciary committee. Public officials in Florida need to be compelled to explain themselves. Fear of public exposure should be an everyday thought for anyone with the power to do this to an individual. They violated numerous federal laws irregardless of whether the DOJ will investigate or not.

      • myopiafree says:

        Hi Boutis – Angel is correct. No one will have a penalty for what they are doing. Initially you respect Crump (for maybe telling the truth). But after long exposure, it becomes clear that all he does is produce “artful LIES”. Yes, when DeeDee is finally exposed as a Crump-HOAX, and Geroge is declared innocent (and immunized), then the prosecution for the public-Media slander must begin. But it is equally important that a review by Congress of the fraud of the “Civil Rights” laws much come under review also. I agree they are important – but the gross perversion of them by Crump needs to be exposed.

      • Sharon says:

        Good luck with the Congressional hearings. Congress can’t even get our UN “representative,” our Secretary of State, our Secretary of Defense or the CIA to actually explain what happened in Benghazi when four Americans died at a location in Libya which had a mysterious, as yet, unexplained purpose. (Turns out it really was not a consulate after all…..)

    • jello333 says:

      I think you have to go back over 40 years, to the Chicago 8 trial/persecution, to find anything as bad as this. (Most people call it Chicago 7, since Bobby Seale was only involved for a short time, but I TOTALLY disagree with that.) I guess Ellsberg, from around the same time, was really bad too now that I think about it.

  3. kadar says:

    With rights come responsibilities.

    • Liberals USED to be the optimistic ones says:

      Oh no they don’t. The way we have set it up, that is the farthest thing from the truth.
      Men have responsibilities (women get rights). By contrast, men get almost no rights and wome have almost no responsibilitities (in legal terms and in terms of men). The fight for equality has never ended even though women already have more rights than men (and men already have most of the responsibilities).
      Similarly, blacks (and minorities) have very few responsibilities, but lots and lots of rights. Whites on the other hand get almost no rights, but have all the responsibilities.
      The minorities have been fightign for equality for quite some time and now that they have vastly superior rights and supremely limited and inferior responsibilities, they dont want to give in to equality now that they have attained superior status (why go for equality since superiority is so much preferred and so much easier to deal with).
      Think about the trayvonites and their last few months of arguing about this case.

      • Liberals USED to be the optimistic ones says:

        If the media lies and says GZ was standing his ground, the trayvonites say, “Oh trayvon was standing his ground. doesnt trayvon have the right to stand his ground?” Their implication is that trayvon’s rights were greater than GZ’s rights (if GZ had stand your ground rights, trayvon’s SYG rights were greater since he was the black one).
        If any of the trayvonistas claims that GZ had the responsibility to “Stay in his truck”, not one of them would admit that trayvon also had responsibility to stay in his home. In their racist minds and worldview, the white guy’s responsibiliites were far greater than the “black child’s” responsibilities.
        In our upside down world, similar to the above, children have zero responsibilities, but adults have all the responsibilities. Adults have zero rights compared to children (and children have zero responsibilities, but they have all the rights in the world).
        At the age of 18, magically, you go from victim to perpetrator in a heartbeat.
        Trayvon was well over 6 feet tall, but if he was under 18, then he had all the rights and none of the responsibilities (george being over 18, had all the responsibiliites and NONE of the rights afforded to a minor).
        Rights are only for children (responsibilities are only for adults).
        The law treats women and blacks as children (and whites and males as adults).

        • Liberals USED to be the optimistic ones says:

          Duke Lacrosse was doubly problematic since it wasnt just a white GUY pestering a black GUY.
          Duke Lacrosse (besides the rape angle) was about how the Lacrosse men had lots of responsibilities and the stripper lady had none (the males were supposed to find more suitable entertainment, but the ladies need not worry about finding more suitable employment). The stripper lady didnt even have the responsibility to tell the truth (and the persecutor in that case felt certain it was ok to lie as long as he was going after white guys (mostly) and as long as he was acting on the behalf of a black woman. The stripper had all the rights in that case and the Duke Lacrosse boys had NONE (many many supposedly intellectually based employees-the gang of 88 profs-went after the Duke Lacrosse boys as if they had no rights, only responsibilities. Most of these same academics still to this day run the defense of the lying woman (seeing her as having zero responsibiliity to tell the truth) and still attack the Duke Lacrosse boys as if they have no rights.

          • Liberals USED to be the optimistic ones says:

            “The Fabrication of Evidence Is A Crime”….while this is true, to an extent, it is not a crime that is taken all that seriously as long as you fabricate evidence to make it seem like white men are the devil (and they tried hard to make it seem like GZ was the right hand man of the devil largely becuase of his skin color and his gonads).

      • Sha says:

        Liberals USED to be the optimistic ones: ( Men have responsibilities , Women get rights)
        Lib , Thats not always true. I have been married 26 years and with my husband since I was 16. My husband was old fashion and didn’t won’t me to work when we first got married because his mom never worked, I told him we can have what we need if you work and I don’t , but we can have what we wont if we both work. My husand and me both had bad accident’s in 2007 two weeks apart. He wasn’t able to go back to work for along time . I went back to work on crutches and with a head injury in two weeks to make sure we had a income. He is out now with surgery number 4 and I don’t know if he will be able to go back to work after the first of the year. I don’t wont him to go back to work if he is going to be in pain trying to work. We are a team we always have been . I can hold our house togeather as good as he can. Of course as a man it hurt’s his pride, but I always have his back until I take my last breathe.

        • Liberals USED to be the optimistic ones says:

          Thank you for your patience with me (I have obviously said something shocking, though I say it not for shock value and I tried hard not to exagerate).
          I have only been married half as long as you (and your lucky man-it is a man, right? just kidding….), so I commend you.
          Please take my statement in the context in which it came (“IN LEGAL TERMS”).
          You my dear, are an EXCEPTION to the rule (from your prior posts, you sound like 100% woman and 0% self pitying perpetual victim that at times can do everything everybody else can but otherwise is perfectly helpless).
          The question is….Do men or whites have equal status in front of the law (based upon the actual law or based upon current interpretation)?
          Is there affirmative action in the NBA? There is no affirmative action wherever there aree more AA’s than average, but if there are anywhere where there are less than average amounts of AA’s. they get all upset and litigious (and the law AND public opinion largely supports them)
          Is there affirmative action in family court? (hecks no!)
          Are there laws that say women must pay equal child support? is there interest in making such fairness a legal principle?
          Are there laws that say men MUST get equal custody of their chlidren or they can sue, sue, sue?
          The Lilly ledbeter act made illegal what was otherwise illegal (paying women less has been illegal for decades….all the new law did was provide more legal teeth to the law).
          meanwhile, men are still treated like 2nd class citizens in family court (ther is no attempt to achieve legal equality in family court (they DONT want that). There is some minimal sentiment for equality in this domain, but no legla teeth, no litligous options. NONE, really.
          Now, are you Sha a responsible person? I think so, though I will admit, I dont know you all that well beyond reading many of your posts for many months, but I thkink you deserve the benfit of the doubt.
          Are you LEGALLY held to a IDENTICAL standard as a woman as men are? NO, hells no, no way, no freakin way on God’s green Earth are women held to the same LEGAL standards as men (that is not the kind of equality they demanded-they wanted the same money, not the same punishments-only this yearf we finally admitted on a federal level that men actually get raped and record statistics on men’s victimization.

          • Liberals USED to be the optimistic ones says:

            There are plenty of RESPONSIBLE African Americans (not sure any exist in the Martin/Fulton clan)! I do NOT claim that women or blacks are not responsible people, but that often the legal system and in large measure public opinion do NOT hold women or blacks to the same level of responsibility as whites or men.
            Women are NOT held to account for sexual harrassment (though I imagine Sha is NOT a woman who would use the legal freedom to sexual harrass as carte blanche to do so-I just imagine her as a more classy responsible person-though she may have moments of levity, I think she is likely responsible to use discretion with whom she makes levity).
            Blacks (African Americans, if you will) have plenty of responsible people, thought the law and public opinion (which influences how the law is applied) do NOT require it of them in most cases. Some AA’s have come forward to proclaim the public lynching and persecution of GZ to be a bad thing and irreesponsible, but under color of law and public opinion, African Americans can get away with being as hateful and as racist as they wanna be (and the law is largely quiet to their hate crimes, to trayvon’s hate crime).
            I know it may be radical, but as a white straight male, I would be very VERY VERY VERY happy being judged by the content of my character rather than judged by the color of my skin or my gender or my sexual orientation (and if that bothers others, they can kiss my sweat pattutie-cant spell to save my life)

            • Sha says:

              Liberals USED to be the optimistic ones : OWE… I FORGOT ! Thank you for the compliments…. ( I don’t know how to make the face that blushes )

              • Liberals USED to be the Optimistic Ones says:

                I call em as I see em; not sure thanks are in order, but you are most welcome….the women in this here treehouse are not the whiners that I sometimes post about (the women in this room, as far as I have been able to observe are real women-my lovely hard working wife is one as well).

            • Angel says:

              “I would be very VERY VERY VERY happy being judged by the content of my character rather than judged by the color of my skin or my gender or my sexual orientation ”

              Liberalsusedtobetheoptimisticones: A ideal that we as humans have still not made into reality overall but I am hopeful that in just the striving for it whether individually or collectively, one day we will. Maybe.

          • Sha says:

            Liberals USED to be the optimistic ones : I understand ( In legals terms ) what you are saying and I wasn’t offended in any way. I just wonted you to know that not all people are alike. Most men are very proud and don’t like to complain about the things that aren’t fair because they are afraid of being perceived as being weak. Pride stop’s alot of men for fighting for what is right when it comes to them.(such as child support ) for a single dad.

            • Liberals USED to be the Optimistic Ones says:

              I used to be all concerned that the men’s rights movement doesn’t work the way the women’s rights movement does, but then I realized men are NOT women and as such their movements will not operate identically. (this is not a dig at anyone, btw…..both genders certainly have a lot to offer and both are fallible).
              Many men have been taught NOT to complain (And many, NOT all women have been taught to complain bitterly/constantly).

          • ottawa925 says:

            Liberals USED to be the optimistic ones? Excellent writing. I am reading you 100%.

            Putting women/men aside, you spoke about adult/child. I’m very protective of a child’s rights (lil kids … not teens). Today it is the so-called children that are commiting the crimes. Yet, the laws are not changing to expose who the perps are because of “age”. Who gives a damn about their age … if they did the crime, let everyone know who they are. This Dee Dee business: just say this Dee Dee was on the up and up for discussion sake. 18, 16, 10? what does it matter? If she is going to be inserted in a case that involves a Murder 2 charge, then her age and anything else about her should not be treated any different than if she were an adult.

        • justfactsplz says:

          I can identify with your situation. In 2000 my husband broke his neck and back at work and our world was turned upside down. Thankfully I was able to work and managed to do so until 2007 when after four major surgeries I became disabled. You do what you have to do to “hold it together”.

          • Sha says:

            justfactsplz: Your right , you do what you have to do and you don’t complain. I hope he was getting his disability before you had your surgery. I don’t worry about us as long as one is up. I worried when we both where down at the same time. Strong people will always find a way to survive it’s in there blood .

            • justfactsplz says:

              You are right it is in the blood. I just dip in my bucket of strength and keep on keeping on. Sometimes I have scraped the bottom of the bucket but it has never been empty. My husband was declared permanently disabled before I started going down hill thank God. Sometimes it is hard making it on two disability checks but we manage somehow. We had planned to work until retirement but that just did not happen for us.

              • Sha says:

                justfactsplz: I can only imagine how tuff it has to be to live on a fixed income that is usually not close to what you are use to bringing home. It was tuff for me to go from two incomes to one at first. I’m a fighter, I don’t give up easy . When things get tuff I get to myself and I work out a back up plain. I consider all my options and I go from there. Life doesn’t always work out the way we plain it , but as long as we are here we can make the best out of it ……. I’m always grateful for my second chance that I didn’t die in the accident I was in .

                • justfactsplz says:

                  I am glad you did’t too. God has saved me from death four times in the last four years, once when I even flat lined. So I look at things differently, like how beautiful a bird or a leaf is.

                  • Sha says:

                    justfactsplz: Isn’t it amazing how the little things mean so much more than they did before. I think no one will go until there time is up. If your still here it’s because you haven’t finished what the lord put you here for, your journey isn’t over . I’m glad your still here to. ( You get my dry jokes) :D

      • redrider says:

        Your kidding me right? Your comments are so false I do not even know where to begin. Hey maybe contact Crump he looks for great fabricators!!!

        • Liberals USED to be the optimistic ones says:

          NOPE! The first national law with regard to domestic violence was/ is called the violence against women act – VAWA (that seems more than a little bit sexist since this law excludes men in the very title of the law and it excluded men from getting services for over 20 years – this form the people who told you yhou couldnt say congressman or chairman cuz they terms excluded women (they didnt mindexcluding men, they justy didnt want to be excluded themselves). VAWA was first eneacted with vp then senator joe biden as oneof its two sponsors. It only took 20 years for the courts to say that this law is sexist (since it excludes men). To this day, call any domestic violence hotline in the country (expect men to be offered anythingbut equal services). While women are offered a place to stay with counselors, men are offered at most a hotel voucher and no services whatsoever (it is hardly equal and that is what they said they were fighting for which is toal nonsense since if you demand equalirty for men you should expect to be attacked (redrider certainly did not attend to what I said but went straight for the insult-as to expected-just like crump)

    • Sharon says:

      Not any more. You and I may still think that and still live like that, but most of the unemployed part of our culture has absolutely no idea what that phrase means.

    • Liberals USED to be the Optimistic Ones says:

      Kadar (I thank you kindly for putting this idea in my head-it may have been their prior to your mentioning it, but you certainly jogged a thought I wanted to portray).
      sorry to post and post again to myself (I was quite afraid if I didn’t post quick enough I would lose my post…I know I can put it other places and copy and paste, but still my computer has had issues of late and that became my habit). I was hoping, also, that by breaking down such a long winded post, one might be able to comment to that which might be most relevant
      Ah, I only have been told about the times when the air was clean and sex was dirty (I am not that old). But in the old days, you couldn’t have one without the other (you didn’t get rights without responsibilities UNLESS you were a child or a dog or animal or a plant or tree).
      Now, my friend GZ (I hope to meet him someday, if only to tell him its ok – I know it hurt to take a life and shall always cause him heartache – but better to be judged by 6 or 12 than to be carried by 6).
      George had the right to Self Defense AND he had the responsibility to use it as a LAST ditch effort, not a first option (IMO, I think he did just that – he waited nearly a minute of brutal attack which he was unable to get out of prior to his use of deadly force).
      May God forgive us all and give us strength to heal.

  4. ytz4mee says:

    The Scheme Team has been all a-twitter that a number of blogs, including this one, as well as MOM, had the “identity” of “the DeeDee” wrong. Apparently this is a source of great amusement to the Scheme Team. NatJack tweeted that MOM now has the deposition so he must “now” know her identity. There are some vague rumblings/veiled threats about a “case” to be launched by the parents of the “not-DeeDee”.

    The SchemeTeam just doesn’t know when to stop digging, do they? Please – put down the shovel.
    To claim that the 16 year old whose public profile matches up with your very public and on the record statements about a “traumatized” 16 year old whose parents had “ashed” people “not to revere her identity because she is a minor chile”…… okay. So, maybe the speculation was incorrect. And it’s not against the law to speculate. In that case, in order to prove their claim, they would have to produce “the” 16 year old who is NOT the “DeeDee” speculated about on various blogs, and “that” DeeDee’s information would have to match up PERFECTLY with each and every public statement they have made.

    1. She is 16 years old. Not 18.
    2. There was a “puppy love” relationship between herself and Trayvon.
    3. She was so traumatized by the event, that she had to seek medical attention (and they have to provide copies of medical records to prove same… everything has to match up with what they alleged, on the record, to the media and the public).
    4. She missed the funeral/memorial service.
    5. She was on the phone with Trayvon 700 minutes and was on the phone with him during the incident and the phone went dead. (Her original phone records would be subpoenaed from her cell phone provider, and they would have to match up perfectly with the timing of the NEN, right up to the very seconds before the shooting).

    It is not enough to say, “it’s not her, you got it wrong” when you are out in front of the public and making some very serious and dangerous allegations with the intent to destroy a man’s life and deny him his freedom. Once you file litigation, you must be able to PROVE all of your allegations, and all of the “evidence” you have laid out in your public statements are subject to intense scrutiny.
    You can’t just say, “it’s not her”, you have to then say who “it is” to bolster your claim … and then be able to prove that the entity you claim “is” the DeeDee matches up 100% with everything you have put on the public record. Every.Single.Thing.

    When you are a sworn Officer of the Court and you are the spokesperson speaking on behalf of the family of the “16 year old minor chile” whose parents have begged the media to not “revere” her identity, it is not “good enough” to say you were “mistaken” about some key details. You have made representations that individuals relied upon as “fact”. It was not Ryan Julison or a family member making these statements, it was the attorneys, called to the Bar, and licensed to practice in the state of Florida, for the family of Trayvon Martin.

    And, clearly, many people don’t understand what is, and isn’t, doxing and “stalking”. Instead of listening to the sewer dwelling scheme team, they should get actual competent legal advice. Filing suits in a heavy handed attempt at a financial shakedown/gag order is not the same as proving your case. All the Scheme Team knows is extortion and collecting “go away” cheques. It’s time for that to end.

    I am sure that MOM and West would also welcome the opportunity to discover who the 16 year old hospitalized, traumatized beyond belief, DeeDee is as well. The one that matches up with all of Crump and NatJack’s public claims and assertions. Every single one of them.
    It’s not enough to say, “oh, you misunderstood, ha ha!”. The stipulations made by the Scheme Team were relied upon for a Capias to be filed in 2nd degree criminal murder investigation.
    I don’t know how more serious it can get, and their very public stipulations will be subject to much scrutiny and fact cross-checking and verification.

    Make. popcorn.

    • Liberals USED to be the optimistic ones says:

      “When you are a sworn Officer of the Court” you have rules that apply to you, but if you are acting on behalf of an aggrieved minority or woman or chid, the rules go out the window).
      Mike Nifong should be in JAIL (but he got a slap on the wrist and a one day sentence).
      I agree if MOM or West acted in a manner consistent with how the persecutors and the team scheme acted, they would be in jail for years at a clip.
      IMO, at most, the most nefarious liars in this case (the sworn officers of the court, what a joke) will get very light slaps on the wrist (oh sure, they might lose their license, but expect them not to see the inside of a jail for more than a day).
      Those that perjured themselves and totally ignored procedure to ensure a successful persecution of GZ for LITTLE trayvon (when he was anything but little) shall see very little punishment, if any.

    • boutis says:

      To play games with the age of THE critical witness used in the indictment for MURDER to prevent deposing that witness is a denial of the CIVIL RIGHTS of the accused. They seem to think that no one has civil rights except those to whom they choose to grant them. Their GAME led to a string of abuses and their refusal to acknowledge that fact indicates what their intent has been all along. Money. They will do anything they deem necessary to get it regardless of the implications. Since money seems to be the most important motivator I hope this is also the primary means of which they are penalized including damages and their means of getting it which would include disbarment.

    • John Galt says:

      “There are some vague rumblings/veiled threats about a “case” to be launched by the parents of the “not-DeeDee”.”

      Seems to me that Scheme Team would be a defendant or subject to joinder by impleader.

    • justfactsplz says:

      It is totally ridiculous. I have never seen a civil attorney inject themselves so deeply in a criminal case as this one.

    • MJW says:

      The scheme team mocks people for believing a 16 year old was DeeDee, when DeeDee is actually 18, when they were the ones claiming she was 16. “You f…ed up! You trusted us!”

    • ottawa925 says:

      I agree with poster “Gault”. He wants to see a Motion for Sanctions. So do I.

    • ftsk420 says:

      NatJack also tweeted a few months ago that we should all find a lawyer because we revealed the identity of a witness who was also a minor. Anything that was posted about her was obtained from her social media sites. People seem to forget that things like twitter and facebook are fun till they get used against you. If you don’t want people to have that access then make it private. TM and the rest of his buddies refused to make their profiles private. If this girl isn’t Dee Dee and she was harassed then she can blame it on Crump again this is a situation he could have stopped. As many times as his ugly mug has been on tv he easily could have said this young lady isn’t Dee Dee. TM supporter have been trying to have it both ways the entire time. In the beginning it was a 12 year old walking home eating skittles who was hunted down like a dog. Then it was look Zimmerman has no injuries. Then it became well it was TM right to stand his ground. Now it’s Zimmerman inflicted his own injuries and he pressing his face against the glass. This will never stop with them they will continue to make things up as they go along because even they know there is no evidence against Zimmerman.

      • doodahdaze says:

        A lawyer is in violation of the rules if they threaten to sue someone. A complaint should be filed if this is true.

    • doodahdaze says:

      The point of litigation is not to “fool” the the opposing party.

    • jello333 says:

      I’m very, VERY glad that Jackson is still running her mouth. The more she does that, the more evidence MOM/West have against her when the time comes. As you say, the woman apparently has never heard the phrase, “When you’re in a hole, stop digging.” So please, NatJack… please DON’T put down that shovel!

  5. knuckledragingwino says:

    Looking at all of the African-American “reverends” involved in this case and Angela Corey who prayed with the Martins inspires me to ask if any of these alleged Christians remember the Cammandment, “though shalt not bear false witness.”?

    • hooson1st says:

      What does that mean?

      • knuckledragingwino says:

        It means that the fabrication of evidence in the this case is a gross violation of one of the ten commandments. Note the wording isn’t “though shalt not lie,” but “though shalt not bear false witness”, thus it is lying in the context of a judicial preceding that is hateful to God.

        The Scheme Team has enlisted a cadre of religious leaders to bear false witness in an effort to falsely convict an innocent man. They are profoundly evil.

        • hooson1st says:

          A good circumstantial case has been made here at CTH that evidence in the form of the testimony of DeeDee whoever she (or they) may be is of questionable origin and veracity. This is based on a logical examination of facts that are in the public domain, but does not include facts as yet unknown in the public domain which may be germane and could offer a different interpretation from that of outright fraud.

          It is true that Crump is martialing help from whereever including black ministers. I suspect that Crump has only informed them of his narrative of events. Those ministers are no less interested in the truth than we are.

          But all of us approach these issues from the direction of our own experiences. These experiences differ. Because of that, our instinctive responses to events differ.

          Our country has made tremendous strides in eradicating racism. Some of our laws, I suggest, have gone overboard in that regard. But still today in America, if you are black you are wearing your difference visibly to everyone, and being black in America is a different experience than being white in America.

          To me, it is understandable that Crump can have an effect on a group of ministers. The way to effectively counter that is not to impugn their integrity nor the sincerity of their beliefs but to rely on the facts of this case as they are revealed.

          • Knuckledraggingwino says:

            With very few exceptions, the African-American community has eagerly supported these race baiting scams and when they are revealed as fraud, never, ever, concede or repudiate the fraud much less hold the fraudsters accountable. This has become so routine that I am convinced that the primary mission of black “churches” is political rather than religious. I for one no longer presume that self style Black Christians are brothers in Christ.

          • Liberals USED to be the optimistic ones says:

            it can be so hard to shed that white and male guilt

          • Sharon says:

            “Those ministers are no less interested in the truth than we are.”

            And you know this how? It’s my opinion, based on 50 years of observing the group dynamics of public brouhahas arising out of charges of racism, that a good portion of the black clergy has been co-opted, by clever money-raising hustlers and their own sense of excitement at being involved in a “really important case.”

            • hooson1st says:


              My comments are based on my experiences and observations as are those of any commenters on CTH. It doesn’t mean that I have any exclusivity in analyzing matters correctly.

              To be sure, racial issues are exploited, as are all kinds of issues in our society which are exploited by all kinds of factions. Furthermore, “money-raising hustlers” are to be found in all races and strata of society.

              I believe that the GZ/TM tragedy can serve as another “teachable moment” in race relations as our society moves forward.

              That movement forward will be stymied if both sides in this case focus on stereotypes and generalities applied to the opposing side.

              • Sharon says:

                Yeah, I agree with your observations….the sentence caught my eye because it was made as a flat statement so I thought perhaps you did have some personal context. Thanks.

          • jello333 says:

            Umm… “Those ministers are no less interested in the truth than we are.”

            I know nothing about most of the “ministers” who’ve spoken out about this case. And even Jesse Jackson I’m not gonna say much about, since as far as I can tell he dropped out after about the first month. But re. one of those “ministers”, who goes by the name of Sharpton…. well, you must be joking. That scumbag has had NO interest in the truth regarding ANY issue concerning race, for… decades. (And remember, I’m a lefty, and so I’m expected to be on the side of people like “Reverend” Al.)

    • Liberals USED to be the optimistic ones says:

      Knuckle….those pesky commandments, again?

  6. hooson1st says:

    Although possible, it is somewhat unlikely that DeeDee was the only individual talking to Trayvon on his cellphone that day.

    • myopiafree says:

      HI Hooson – but here we go again. The Police should have gotten all the information from the cell phone – that would have shown EVERYTHING – including ANY conversation that DeeDee might have been having with TM. But what happened, Tray-Dad BLOCKED ALL ACCESS to that information, on the INSISTENCE OF CRUMP. He knew, if the police FOUND OUT, he could not conduct his hoax on the the Justice Department. If O’mara had that information, including when the PHONE WENT DEAD, this case would be OVER!!

      • hooson1st says:


        You are right again, I can’t disagree.

      • boutis says:

        It was never supposed to go this far. The settlements were supposed to be in the bank, a guilty plea or dropped charges after the settlements were paid with nondisclosure clauses making scrutiny impossible. It is a hoax, a bluff, a scam.

        • hooson1st says:


          I do not believe that the overcharging in this case was simply a pre-ordained prelude to a plea bargain.

          • boutis says:

            I do not either. They wanted him to plead guilty.

          • myopiafree says:

            Hi Hooson – With all due respect – you are naive. About 90 percent of these cases are “Plea Bargained”. It saves the STATE a hell of a lot of money. You just over-charge (20 years to life), and then the innocent (having no money and no lawyer) settles for 5 years in the slammer – with time-off for good behavior. Works most of the time. That is how these prosecutors rack up impressive conviction rates. (Actually this tactic works best on an AA defendant.) In fact a 12 year old child has been charged that way – with no means of defense. He will probably will get 20 years to life. Think he can defend himself in court?

            • hooson1st says:


              I don’t disagree with you that plea-bargaining happens a lot, also, I do not believe that prosecutors, in general, overcharge in order to go for a plea-bargain that they have mapped out in advance. Color me naive.

              In a cases like this one, the ones that ignite into a hot-button public controversy issue, it is even less likely.

              The overcharging of GZ with a second degree murder rap was a rash decision made under the glare of a public tempest stirred up by the race-focused in our society.

              Corey and Co rashly bought into the Crump/Parks/Jackson narrative. It is a mess that will be untangled. Some public careers may be shortened before all the legal dust settles.

              • recoverydotgod says:

                “Corey and Co rashly bought into the Crump/Parks/Jackson narrative.”

                There was no rashness on the part of these experienced attorney’s involved.

                Atty General Bondi knew Parks and Crump from the Martin Anderson case. Bondi said she tried to get the case herself, but had no legal authority.

                Wolfinger stepped aside. Bondi recommended Corey.

                Gov. Scott appointed Corey.

              • doodahdaze says:

                No disrespect intended. But are you really this naive? This is not an intellectual exercise going on here. Rashness and generalities do not apply. If you have a point make it.

              • jello333 says:

                “I do not believe that prosecutors, in general, overcharge in order to go for a plea-bargain that they have mapped out in advance. Color me naive.”

                Sorry, and please don’t take this as an insult, but yeah… that’s naive. I’ve been involved in MANY court cases, several on a personal level (family and friends), and others helping a lawyer friend work on criminal cases. And overcharging is the rule, NOT the exception. It’s very, very common…. and it SHOULD be illegal! The whole point of doing it is to try to coerce a plea to a lesser charge. It’s disgusting and wrong.

            • doodahdaze says:

              Thank You.

          • sundance says:

            Hooson1st – the “reasoning” for the charging is quite openly visible. People only need to read to understand it.

            On March 16th there was no substantive reason to support an arrest, none of the investigative evidence supported anything except the outline provided by George Zimmerman.

            Yet that was not good enough for the race-baiting industrial complex, let alone the crew of people (Crump like characters) who afford their entire living on the exploitation of civil rights cases for financial gain.

            So the district attorney scheduled a Grand Jury to hear all the evidence. But again, that was not going to advance the cause of financial reward for the aforementioned. An honest hearing of facts did not support their goal. They did not want a Grand Jury to hear this case.

            Hence, they strategically manuevered, created “media-evidence”, and used political pressure, based entirely on RACE, to create a different path.

            Manufacturing the story of DeeDee, then telling people she would only talk to a “special prosecutor”, drove a wedge of distance between the truth of the evidence and the concept of a Grand Jury providing a legal remedy.

            This was not some mere coincidence – it was a strategy. A strategy determined in a series of “meetings” that only the race-baiting civil rights folks were permitted to attend.

            Angela Corey needed to agree to avoid the Grand Jury, which she did, in order to hear from the “witness DeeDee”, who was merely leverage toward the financial goals.

            The arrest was based on the story manufactured by the race baiting class in their strategy meetings.

            The goal was an arrest, then a trial. First two bases needed to score the financial reward against GZ, the HOA, the City of Sanford, and all the respective insurance companies for “wrongful death”.

            The overcharging by Corey was merely a political bone to the civil rights team so they could advance their goal of financial reward. Angela Corey knew GZ would win any case in court – she knew the case was beyond weak – but that was not what was requested of her. The Scheme Team did not want a convicition – they only wanted the door to civil litigation unlocked. That’s it. Period.

            With that end in mind The State of Florida proceeded accordingly.

  7. ejarra says:

    I’ve maintained that there has been at least two DDs. I also believed the 3 girls who purport to be his closest friends, Aiyanna, Ashley, and Tia were also involved somehow. Ashley admited to being on the phone with Trayvon that morning.

    I believe that DD1 (Crumps) was a 16/17 yr old actress who said what was needed for an arrest and hopefully a trial for extortion money down the road. It’s posible that it was her MOTHER that said NO to having her tesify under oath to the state and told Crump to find someone else. This NEW actress, DD2 (BLDRs) was 18 and was given a script to memorize with the idea that BLDR would prompt and help her in the interview. She obviously forgot the part about when George was to have left the truck and then went improv with the “I feel guilt”.

    I believe whole heartedly that there are 2 DDs which is the reason for the address stall. The only question is if BLDR knew, too. They need tho depo the “mother”, also.

    • Liberals USED to be the optimistic ones says:

      I imagine with the amount of money promised, there were a long line of DD’s lined up ready to lie

      • myopiafree says:

        I am certain that Crump promised her “immunity” if she would testify. After all, there was no prosecution of the woman who “nailed” the Duke students!! Lying is something you do – if you are AA – it seems. Further, if the THREE DeeDees ever “come to light”, they will all be interviewed by Rivera – about how they were attempting to “Get Justice for Trayvon”. (So they had to lie a little – so what, who cares?)

        • Liberals USED to be the optimistic ones says:

          A life without responsibility seems like a fun one (Crystal gale magnum had such a life for a time). She lied about rape (which is an actual crime, but not one that the mob would even bother to enforce as long as she is portrayed as the “VICTIM”).
          She tried to KILL one boyfriend (and she got the female sentencing discount whereby women who do VIOLENT crimes rarely ever serve anywhere near as much time as men doing the same crime).
          Ironically, she got so used to her ENTITLED position in life, she finally fell from grace. And how did that happen? Well, she finally suicceeded in killing a boyfrined and though the law could turn their back on her violent and illegal ways many times and in many ways, every once in a while even a woman who kills is forced to get jail time (she will prolly get out soon, though, she only killed a MAN, ya know they are valued less than women or children).
          It is not that women dont have any responsibility, but that it is significantly reduced compared to that of a man. What is the big deal, she started out trying to get three boys thrown in jail for life (for a crime they didnt commit-and just cuz she had the semen of three other guys in her?)

          • Liberals USED to be the optimistic ones says:

            to keep it in simple language:
            black racism is the good kind of hate.
            sexism against men is the good kind of sexism (sexism agaisnt women isnt funny, but sexism against men ? OSCAR material….that is a salute to the entertainment industry where sexism against women is considered passe, but against men, it is considered avant garde

          • myopiafree says:

            Hi Liberals – My point exactly in this Nifong-2. If you are an AA Woman – you can lie as much as you like – and they all know it. So it costs the State $1,000,000 to conduct a false prosecution of an innocent man, and it costs George $1,000,000 to defend against those lying charges. So what, who cares! There is no penalty to these (collective) DeeDees for lying like they do. This is indeed AA girl mayhem – for the fun of it.

        • Sharon says:

          Why on earth would Crump promise her immunity if he was claiming that she was telling the truth? That would suggest he was telling her that he was going to ask her to lie, and she openly agreed to lie, and therefore needed reassurance about some potential immunity.

          I’ve never had the impression that she was smart enough to successfully, deliberately lie. I’ve thought her lies were the result of her complete lack of mental process, not having a clue that she was being used. Her way of expressing herself does not reflect someone who even has generic street smarts. It does reflect the habits of someone who seldom deals with anyone outside of her mental/intellectual circle.

          In the interview, she seems to be trying to figure out what they want her to say–she’s not trying to remember “how to lie”…she’s trying to think, right at that moment, “what ya wantin’ me ta say now????”

    • knuckledragingwino says:

      My thoughts almost exactly.

      I suspect that Double Dee Dee #1 may in fact have been one of the girls who is known to have been one of TM’s friends. Asyou say, she was willing to do the taped interview over the phone which technically isn’t perjury but someone, probably her mother, objected to her bearing false witness under oath. The second Double Dee Dee isno doubt an actress whom Crump hired. Allegedly; there was a notary present for that deposition. Even if that notary was fooled by false ID, that notary has their notary book with her signature. If BDLR attempts to present a third Double Dee Dee (Triple Dee Dee, aka Pam Grier?) the signatures will not match. BDLR knows this which is why the little creep is withholding the address.

      My guess is that the Second Double Dee Dee used her own name because it wouldn’t have been easy for her to provide a normal looking, habitual signature for an assumed
      name. MoM and West need to investimpgate this second Dee Dee’sname, even without an address, to verify that a girl with that name is not connected to TM. She dropped a big hint by stating that they have known each other since kindergarten. There will be Avery short list of girlsin TM’s class. This explains withholding of school records.

      • mung says:

        And did Dee Dee fail kindergarten twice before Trayvon was in her class?

        • John Galt says:

          From listening to Dee Dee’s interview, I can’t rule out the possibility that she rode the short bus.

          • selfdefenseadvocate says:

            I thought that too.

          • mung says:

            But if she is limited she would have been in special education and not with the Jr rocket scientist that we all know as Trayvon. I mean he must have been one brilliant kindergartener and been in the accelerated program not an inclusion program. It just doesn’t add up. Maybe he was so far advanced that they put him in kindergarten at 3 years old!

            • Ad rem says:



              • Angel says:

                yep, from a middle class loving family whose father could not give an accurate time of when he last saw his son alive to the police. . SMH.

                • jello333 says:

                  And her throwing “middle class” in there, is (to me at least) her way of implying that a “lower class” person would be trash or something. Nice classism there, Corey B King.

              • James F says:

                :lol: Honor student???

                Tracy won’t go into detail, says it was just regular teenage stuff, but Sybrina’s caution is overridden by her disappointment. He didn’t pass the FCAT, she says. The FCAT is Florida’s big standardized test. If you don’t pass, you don’t graduate.

                Read more: Trayvon Martin Family Interview – Trayvon Martin Aftermath – Esquire

                • John Galt says:

                  “When he got to the gate of the complex, he could have slipped through the pedestrian gate. It wasn’t locked.”

                  Crump said that Dee Dee told him that Trayvon entered a code. What a tangled web.

                  “SHARPTON: You`re talking about him talking to the young lady, 16-
                  year-old young lady that he is dating?
                  CRUMP: Yes, sir.
                  SHARPTON: On the phone when —
                  CRUMP: The whole time when he went to store, when he came back from
                  store. All day, they talk. When you look at the cell phone records that
                  blows Zimmerman`s testimony out of the water. Because she says and it`s so
                  logical when she tells the story. He was walking home from that 7-eleven,
                  and it started raining. He ran into the complex, had to hit the code, got
                  into the gate, went to the first building he saw to get out of the rain.
                  Stood there, let the rain subside, then he starts that walking back. She
                  calls him back because he got off when it was raining.”


                  • jordan2222 says:

                    Casey Anthony was an extraordinary liar. She had the unique ability to remember all of her lies and even build on them. Some people are like that but most liars cannot do that.
                    When I think about all of the very different details that Crump has provided publicl, I wonder if he can remember them and, if he does, how will explain such obvious lies.

                    Can you imagine him having to answer questions about every lie he has told? Of course, that most likely not happen during his depo but I would love to watch him squirm.

              • rumpole2 says:

                :D :D :D

                Corey B. King is nuts!!!

              • ftsk420 says:

                He was studying pharmaceutical sales

        • justfactsplz says:

          Hey, Mung. Something is going on over on the other site. Our posts concerning Dee Dee keep disappearing. I have seen your same post pop up at various times only to disappear in a few minutes. I tried to respond to you about it and mine disappeared also. It’s not like that site is like JQ or anything.

      • I thought they’re withholding information on DeeDee #2 because she’s not from the Miami area. I had figured she was from Natalie Jackson’s neck of the woods, probable she or her parents perceived her the victim of exploitation & looking for a payday they consulted “Natty”. It’s my belief her previous address isn’t going to be anywhere near the correct zip code for the phone calls which Crump alleges occurred between Trayvon & DeeDee. More likely she lived in a seedy Jacksonville dump. Just for poking fun; I interpreted a recent comment from Howie as suggesting that maybe (April 2nd) DeeDee worked in the adult entertainment industry. Anyhow: I doubt DeeDee #2 had any connection to or knowledge of Trayvon until she was approached with the possibility of playing the part in exchange for financial gain. I seriously doubt there’s any connection from kindergarten, no puppy-love, no hospital stay due to guilt induced stress, no missed burial services & there definitely weren’t nearly seven hours of phone conversations. My opinion is that if those phone conversations ever occurred, it’s much more likely they were actually on Tracey’s phone while he was stalking 1-800-MILF LOL. I’ve no doubt that Don West already has a very good idea regarding the soon to be infamous DeeDee’s origin. We’ll all have a slightly better idea the fate of the Scheme Team though I’m not expecting any of them, especially “Natty” she’s scared, to step within the same zip code as the courthouse unless subpoenaed.

        • jordan2222 says:

          I am going to be really pissed if she does not have double or triple D knockers.

          • Yeah that would knock the stuffing out of the image many probably have of her. I’d ROTFL if somebody recognized her from a seedy topless club advertisement.

          • Sharon says:

            We’ll try and help you through the tough hours if that happens. Sometimes I really don’t believe you guys. So call me humorless. Sometimes I am.

          • I’m more of a C-cup affectionado. From lyrics of Bob Seger “way up firm & high”.

            • jordan2222 says:

              I am a long time Seger fan. The best concert I ever saw was at the Tangerine Bowl where they simulated the night sky moving. At one point the entire place when dark for about a minute. Then a light focused on Alto Reed suspended about a hundred feet or so up in sky. He was on a tower but you could tell that.

              Seger was in Tampa Bay for his last tour. I bought tickets but had an emergency and missed him. I do, however, have all of his music, including some boot legs of his live early stuff. At one time, long ago, I communicated with him and a mutual friend via email. His version of Blind Love is my favorite song.

          • myopiafree says:

            You mean like in “The Young Dr. Frankenstein?”

        • jello333 says:

          And a minor point, but what was up with Crump and Bernie using the term “puppy love” when talking about Dee Dee and Trayvon’s relationship. I mean, they were supposed to be 16 and 17, right? “Puppy love”? Hmm…. my wife and I were 16 and 19 when we got married (over 30 years ago now)…. Sorry, but I’ve never heard “puppy love” used to refer to “kids” as old as Dee Dee and Trayvon. I guess it was just another attempt at making Trayvon seem like a wee, scared little boy?

          • I’ll take a swag at where Crump pulled that line from. Prior to Crump relating that pack of mis-truth’s to the public, I hadn’t heard the term “puppy love” since the 70s. Kinda ironic but I’d heard the racial epithet “coons” was said to be heard from the 40s to the 60s. So I ponder of Whom are we aware of that’s old enough to clearly remember both of those terms, had access to the Scheme Team prior to race having been injected & has motive to assist concocting the Scheme Team’s ruse of vile disgust? I’m not sure whose the most likely individual but I’m thinking the smart money would be on the horse commonly known as “Sharp-tongue”. However: I wouldn’t be too surprised were it a snake with a forked tongue. All kidding aside; Crump was schooled by a halfwit old-school race hustling profiteer. There’s no telling from where they dream that s–t up.

            • jello333 says:

              That’s actually not a bad theory about where those two terms may have originated.

              • Just sipping a drink & thinking aloud. Not much faith in that comment.

                • jello333 says:

                  It’s just that I know Sharpton pretty well, and I know what a huge ego he has. So he would definitely wanna leave his “fingerprints” on a case this big. But yeah of course, just wild guesses… and probably not really that important in the grand scheme of things.

          • James F says:

            The only time I ever heard that expression is from that cheesy oldie from the early sixties my parents used sing along with on AM radio when I was a small child.

            • jello333 says:

              Oh don’t you dare! Whew… Ok… I see you put up the Anka version. That’s bad enough. But had you posted the Donny Osmond one…. you’d be on double-secret probation right now!

    • ctdar says:

      I believed this early on, until cell ping records are produced correlating to TM’s phone (one found at scene & his true one) I don’t believe DD even exists

    • selfdefenseadvocate says:

      Hi ejarra , they need to depo which mother?

    • nameofthepen says:

      ejarra says: “I’ve maintained that there has been at least two DDs.”

      Ejarra, yesterday, Sundance posted on “three DeeDees” here:
      (It starts off, “This is a reply to selfdefenseadvocate:”)

      I’ve spent hours and hours reading it, plus following the links, watching vids, etc. I believe I finally understand what Sundance was telling us.

      I posted it in a comment there about an hour ago, and am hoping to hear from Sundance either verifying I finally got it, or correcting me. Meanwhile, it might be interesting to you to read.

      This is what I posted:
      1. “DeeDee #1″ is a real person, who is a minor, who did know Trayvon, and who had lots of social media presence on the internet, but had/has nothing to do with any of this, never knew she was the victim of “identity theft”.

      2. Using #1 (without her knowledge) as the general template, the mythical “DeeDee#2″ (Keyser Soze), was crafted. “#2″ then participated in a recorded phone interview with Crump, with Gutman listening in, and then vanished.

      3. “DeeDee#3″ was later mocked-up, by finding and coaching some 18-year-old girl, and giving her to BDLR to interview.

      • ejarra says:

        I read that yesterday. I said “at least” two. I also wrote in my “To Tell the Truth” the possibility of 3. What I found ironic was that the three “best friends” never once tweeted about the DeeDee interview; either one. If you read their tweets, they were really, really, really close to Trayvon. I believe they (at least one and maybe two) were part of the first interview; which is why they never tweeted about it or DeeDee. My guess it was Ashley and/or Aiyanna.

        • nameofthepen says:

          Ejarra, I see this post here on this thread, up above: “December 3, 2012 at 9:19 am”.

          Good post. I didn’t know about “the 3 girls who purport to be his closest friends, Aiyanna, Ashley, and Tia”. Your hunch about them could very well be correct.

          I also liked what you said about “They need tho depo the ‘mother’, also.” LOL! What a mess Crumpster & Co are in right now. “The mother” indeed.

          OK. Thanks. I thought I was helping you, but, I ended up learning more instead. :)

  8. The Crump et al could always claim Dee Dee represented herself to them as 16 or was represented as 16 by someone else (Tracy, Sybrina, her parents). Maybe I missed it, but there doesn’t seem to be any evidence that they knew she was 18. At least prior to the BDLR interview. I’m assuming there is only one Dee Dee since I’m not convinced there’s sufficient evidence there are two. MOM and West need to go slowly and careful. If they jump the gun and accuse Crump et all of knowing her real age and lying about it it could backfire with something as simple as they were misinformed.

    • partyof0 says:

      Yes…I can hear it now…”I said 18…no you said 16…you might thave thought I said 16…but I said 18. Your honor…We need some time to iron out some minor discrepencies in dialogue as some have erroniously reported an error, the defense jumped the gun and we need more time….Time granted…court will convene back when the prosecution sees fit.

    • yankeeintx says:

      …or Crump can say they gave her the “minor” status to protect her identity, but that the prosecution knew from day one that she was 18. Corey thanked Parks & Crump and claimed that they talked on a daily basis.

    • partyof0 says:

      …5 years later…”your honor, we can no longer continue with this case as all of our witnesses are now dead…killed by racist factions of George Zimmerman…case, dismissed without prejudice…

    • John Galt says:

      “The Crump et al could always claim Dee Dee represented herself to them as 16 or was represented as 16 by someone else (Tracy, Sybrina, her parents).”

      That is the best possibility for Scheme Team, but postures Dee Dee as a liar, or as someone who has no problem going along with lies concocted by others. This will obviously be raised during her deposition, if it ever occurs.

      • myopiafree says:

        Hi John –
        “…best possibility for Scheme Team, but postures Dee Dee as a liar, or as someone who has no problem going along with lies concocted by others. This will obviously be raised during her deposition, if it ever occur”
        There will NEVER be any penalty for (the several DeeDees) if they “fudge” there statements. They were simply attempting to “get Justice for their boy-friend Trayvon”. After all, Crump told them that if they DID NOT DO THIS, George would get off scott-free. So they have to FIB – after all they were “under-age”, and did not know any better. Ask yourself this question – did the Nifong girl suffer any penalties for lying. I think you know the answer.

        • John Galt says:

          She may never be charged, but she will be shredded in her deposition to the point she will be useless as a witness.

        • partyof0 says:

          They need to lower the ages on all the DD’s to around 12…so they can be protected for another 6 years…besides…isn’t that (lying to make sure some racist gets his day in court) what all young teenagers do at that “tender age”…I mean…all young teenagers (especially boys) carry womens jewelry and screwdrivers around with them…spray paint lockers and swing on bus drivers…coach school yard fights…I mean…every young teen does that at some point in their life…these are just minor things…ya just can’t keep someone from gradgiatin if they been suspended just 3 times or find the need to get in on convicting a known racist…that’s just what all young teens do.

          • Not Engaged says:

            Between the vast gray areas of ethical conduct between right and wrong as well as the non-desire to prosecute their shining examples of African-American lawyers, neither Parks nor Crump will ever face the Florida Bar music. They will simply lose money on this case, chalk it up to gaining good publicity and move on to the next race case. At night, they will drive their Mercedes home to their mansions and kiss their plump wives hello. They sleep quite well at night, I am sure. Get up in the morning and do it again.

            • partyof0 says:

              I do have the same sentiment that you have stated…

            • myopiafree says:

              Hi “Not” – Yes I “wonder” about them also. I think a sociopath like Crump greatly enjoys creating “mayhem” – OUT OF NOTHING – and then have a huge FOLLOWING based on the skill of his lies. This is indeed “chumming” the base, and hoping that the general chaos, will produce a “big pockets” FISH. I don’t think there is any real “planning” at all – just a “look” for an incident involving a Black, and someone who looks, “sorta White”. Crumps the name, and Crap is the game.

  9. Maybe I am stating the obvious, but its clear to me that they lied about her age to keep anyone from contacting her. If she was 18, the media would have been banging down her door for her story. Now had it been a true story that would have played into the Scheme Teams favor, but because they crafted this false narrative they had to shield her from the public. Therefore……she’s a minor.

    • myopiafree says:

      Hi That Too – Crump implied that Zimmerman’s KKK “brothers” would be out to “Get her” – as though this was 100 years ago. Here we go with the “poor little black boy, and poor little black girl, cowering in the the darkness for FEAR OF A WHITE KKK ATTACK. (That is they “Southern man” paradigm that Crump uses so well when he tells his lies.

    • diwataman says:

      “If she was 18, the media would have been banging down her door for her story.”

      If the media wants something they will not care about that aspect. Gutman didn’t. He sought her out anyway, contacted her, spoke with her, interviewed her, put clips of her interview(s) in the media, all the while reporting she was 16 and knowing what Crump said about her being a minor, wanting to be private, out of decency, blah, blah, blah. Gutman didn’t care and it makes me wonder if Crump knew about it.

      Crump, also by extension, by using her in the media, made her fair game. You can’t go out in the world, say some crap, then run and cry home to mama when the pushback comes. Sorry, that’s not the way the world works.

      Once she freely gave interviews with Gutman and allowed herself to be used by Crump and injected herself and her narrative publicly then she is fair game whatever her age, unfortunately no one in the media challenged her or anyone else in the Scheme Team for that matter.

      • John Galt says:

        “Once she freely gave interviews with Gutman and allowed herself to be used by Crump and injected herself and her narrative publicly then she is fair game whatever her age,”

        Seems like her identity should be published under Lester’s guidelines, since she isn’t a minor.

        • boutis says:

          Absolutely and by not doing so, and withholding her age and name the prosecution is in violation of that order and knowingly so. This should be spelled out for the judge on 12/11 and she should be reminded she is following Lester’s lead as she has so stated.

          • jello333 says:

            That’ll be just one of the many very good things to happen at the hearing. The state/Crump will be ordered to give the defense Dee Dee’s address.

  10. boutis says:

    The scheme is very simple when reduced to its most basic premise. To rig a criminal indictment and its outcome, one must control the primary witness, access to that witness, and any corroborating evidence which would support or contradict that witness. The Scheme Team to date has done this and the criminal justice system of the State of Florida and its elected officers have allowed it to happen.

  11. selfdefenseadvocate says:

    Does anyone know who the petite girl was in the picture with Trayvon? (Sorry I don’t have a link). I have always thought the girl in the picture was his girlfriend and that she was “Dee Dee”? That girl looked about 16, but she could also have been older. Petite girls usually look younger than their actual age.

  12. John Galt says:

    Nothing from Gutman. Nobody seems to be reporting this bombshell.

  13. maggiemoowho says:

    I remembered saving this tweet from N.Jackson to Princess6:

    princss6 @NatJackEsq why is FT posting DeeDee’s info on twitter?
    June 2, 2012 04:29  
    @princss6 Attempts to intimidate this TEENAGE GIRL is witness tampering. All such tactics will be REPORTED, INVESTIGATED, and PROSECUTED.
    00 : 46  inReplyTo princss6 Reply | Retweet | Favorite
    Our legal team believes the identities, addresses, and phone numbers of the witnesses in #gzlegalcase SHOULD remain CONFIDENTIAL. #trayvon
    00 : 27 Reply | Retweet | Favorite

  14. TandCrumpettes says:

    My word. The whole DeeDee fiasco is confusing me as all get out. Has anyone seen Imaginationland from South Park? “Who’s real? Who’s imaginary?… I real?” Heh…that’s how I feel right now.

    Hopefully someone can clear up some questions I have:

    1) The DD with the twitter is: DD16, DD18, or a third possibility?
    2) Who is NatJack saying is the “wrong” DD? 16, 18, or twitter?
    3) Are there, in fact, now three DDs? (this is what it seems to me until I get my questions answered. Seems if the multiple DD theory is true, then “Twitter” is THE BONAFIDE DD, but she knew nothing about the incident. Probably told Crump she had just called TM to see if he was coming back to school on Monday or something. So “Twitter” was of no use to the prosecution. So DD16 was constructed, half-based on “Twitter” gal with the added, necessary oomph…but then….)
    4) Why send in DD18 to the deposition? What was wrong with DD16 that caused the need to switch?
    5) Why did BDLR ask MOM if he knew for sure DD was a minor at the last hearing? Why didn’t he just say, “no, she’s not” or “yes, indeedy she is!” If this is “no big deal,” then why did he even ask? Why was he so vague about it?

    It just seems that the easiest explanation for all of this is a combination of risefrombelow and youwantthattoo – there is but one DD, and she was intentionally misrepresented as a minor to keep her hidden. Still – why are the voices so incredibly different? If there is but one, she was so heavily drugged I’m surprised she even knew who she was! Surely one can not give a deposition while under the influence…goodness I am so confused.

    • youwantthattoo says:

      I predict we will soon see T-Shirts that say “I AM DEEDEE”. Then they could sell them along with the I AM TRAYVON shirts.

    • doodahdaze says:

      Maybe there is D, DD, And DDD. I still want to know about the hospital admission. For being unable to Pee as opposed to HBP. It is either a mental disorder, a Bladder infection, Or a symptom of heavy drug use. But which D is it?

  15. Whether Crump knew her real age or not (not under oath and probably has plausible deniability e.g. he was told she was 16) may not be as useful to the defense as the fact he publicly stated an age. Repeatedly. And the State knew it. Yet knowing that information was public they redacted the information in the interview they gave the defense. Why redact publicly known information especially in something given to the defense? The best reason I can think of is because they didn’t want the defense to know her real age. That she was in fact an adult and not a minor. They decided not to correct the impression the defense had that Dee Dee was 16 years old until they had no choice.


    • John Galt says:

      “Why redact publicly known information especially in something given to the defense?”

      On April 2nd, BDLR learned that Dee Dee was 18, contrary to Scheme Team contentions that she was a 16 year old minor. So why did Scheme Team falsely state Dee Dee’s age?

      Possibilities include:
      1. Dee Dee lied to Scheme Team about her age.
      2. Dee Dee’s parent(s) lied to Scheme Team about her age and Dee Dee went along with the scam.
      3. Scheme Team lied about her age and Dee Dee went along with the scam.
      4. Scheme Teamed swapped a different Dee Dee.

      None of these possibilities is particularly attractive for the State’s case as they all posture Dee Dee as a liar.

      • TandCrumpettes says:

        Absolutely. However, I don’t find 1. being very likely. I can’t think of any reason why a teenager would lie about their age to make themselves appear younger. Older? Definitely. But younger? That’s almost like insulting yourself at that age.

        I can’t think of any reason why 2. would happen. Parents afraid of their child avenging a friend’s death? Its not as if, especially back then, public opinion was not in their favor. Its not as if DD-whoever needed to go into witness protection for what she had to say.

        3 and 4 are most likely. I just can’t imagine anyone coming up with such a ruse on their own, especially when there is no personal need for it. The Scheme Team definitely has a need for it, though. Heh.

      • doodahdaze says:

        Maybe she is so far gone she has no idea how old she is. All these people seem far gone.

    • jello333 says:

      Yes, this is MUCH worse than if they were just lying to the public about her age. It looks like their intent was to lie to the DEFENSE. The entire reason for redacting the age was so the defense wouldn’t know she wasn’t a minor. And the whole reason for that, was to try to discourage the defense from pushing too hard to get more info (through the judge’s orders) on the girl. INTENTIONALLY WITHHOLDING EVIDENCE from the defense… pure and simple.

  16. selfdefenseadvocate says:

    I haven’t seen anyone mention Jaharvis Fulton’s claim that he talked to her at the funeral. Was that a fact (did he say that? Did he talk to her at the funeral?) or did some reporter get it wrong?

  17. mcfyre2012 says:

    Who is DD? A paid Trayvon girlfriend brought in by the “Scheme Team” because the case was going south. Without her, there really is no case. Give her age as 16 to evade media scrutiny (perhaps she has a record as well), plus have TrayDad refuse to give the phone PIN, and the case automatically gets prolonged…which gives the “Scheme Team” time to fester public opinion with racist nonsense.

  18. partyof0 says:

    How can any judge/court continue to let this happen…ruse after ruse after ruse…

    • John Galt says:

      The Court only knows what has been brought before it. I think MOM / West should bring a compilation video of all of the Scheme Teamers and Matt Gutman talking about the minor 16 year old witness in the media and play it in court. Relentlessly bring the lies to the attention of the judge and, incidentally, to the national TV audience watching the hearing.

      • A compilation of Crump’s mantra: profile, pursue, confront, kill might also be good. He and his team have said it so many times on so many venues a compilation might reinforce to the judge that there has been an intense media campaign by Crump et all against George.

      • hooson1st says:

        John Galt:

        I disagree here.

        All of the so-called Scheme Team machinations in the press is irrelevant to the court with the exception of Guttman and Crump and their talking to DeeDee.

        What is important are the facts uncovered by the prosecution and the defense and the attempts by the defense to secure full discovery; i.e., the ping logs etc. AND the misbegotten charging of GZ with second-degree murder.

        All the rest of this is a massive distraction leading to endless rounds of futile speculation.

        • boutis says:

          Crump’s refusal through Martin to allow investigators access to phone records to verify a witness statement is obstruction of justice. The special prosecutor’s office charging murder without verification of witness statements exercising the most minimal forensic effort is unlawful prosecution. Playing games with the press is one thing, doing it with the criminal court system is another.

          • John Galt says:

            “Crump’s refusal through Martin to allow investigators access to phone records to verify a witness statement is obstruction of justice.”

            There are several other potential disturbing circumstances which should be investigated with respect to obstruction of justice issues:

            1. Precluding SPD access to Dee Dee
            2. Hiring a PI to contact witnesses during an ongoing police investigation.
            3. A former associate representing and changing the testimony of Austin.
            4. Contact with other witnesses (Marcy Cutcher and Selma)
            5. Who is Dee Dee’s legal representative?

            • boutis says:

              Zimmerman is not being allowed to face his accuser. To do that one must know 1. who they are, 2. their veracity, 3. their motive and 4. how is what they are accusing you proven. The entire thing is like the Star Chamber as law above the law.

              • myopiafree says:

                Hi Boutis – This is EXACTLY the reason we post here. Crump has figured out how to put a total lie INTO THE MEDIA – through Julison & Company – and then how to develop a false witness (DeeDee^2), and then prevent her from being “exposed”, and getting the STATE to file false charges on the basis of FIB statements by DeeDee. This is indeed “Star Chamber” stuff. The neat part, is that George is DRIVEN TO SILENCE because he is forced into hiding by “death threats” – so he can not defend himself in this “Trial by Media”. This is EXACTLY what the Duke students were subjected to – because they were “White” and the girl was black. Nifong^2

  19. recoverydotgod says:

    The video report by Matt Guttman at the ABC link included in the article above includes
    [my transcription]

    @0:34 “ABCNews has also learned that police didn’t reach out to Martin’s girlfriend…”
    @1:15 “Police had the call logs exclusively obtained by ABCnews and her number, but according to the girl, never called.”


    Trayvon Martin’s girlfriend gave account of phone call three weeks after shooting
    Posted by C.R. on 04/02/2012


    Matt Gutman has responded to my emails and confirmed that he has:

    1. Logs of Trayvon Martin’s calls but no recordings
    2. One recording of DeeDee’s deposition by the family attorney (I assume he means Benjamin Crump)
    3. A phone interview conducted with the girlfriend on Wednesday.


    I followed up with Gutman and asked if Sanford police attempted to contact the girl…



    Call for Help
    Frantic 9-1-1 tapes in the shooting of teenager by neighborhood watch in Florida
    01:49 | 03/17/2012
    [report by Matt Guttman]
    [my transcription]

    @0:23 “In this series of jarring 9-1-1 tapes you hear 17 year old Trayvon Martin fighting for his life…”

  20. mung says:

    Will the real Slim ShaDeeDee please stand up, please stand up, please stand up!

  21. mung says:

    Soooooo…..Looks like Freddy is now trying to out right cash in on his pseudo fame. Can anyone say hypocrite?
    “I write today to solicit your views regarding where we should take this blog in the future.

    I started it a little over a year ago with the idea that I would use it as a virtual classroom to teach about the law by discussing the legal issues of the day. Interest in the blog literally exploded after I started writing about the Trayvon Martin murder and advocating Justice for Trayvon. Now we are getting between 2,500 to 3,000 visits per day and 100-300 comments per day.

    I have added a column that I call “Featuring” in which I main-page someone’s comment or video and that idea seems to have worked out pretty well.

    I would like to add some regular contributors and figure out a way to generate income for myself, the regular contributors and to fund some scholarships and contribute to progressive causes.

    I also would like the blog to be an important instrument for progressive change.

    What do you all think and recommend?”

    I think Freddy should be prosecuted for the lies and race baiting he has spread. I think he should be prosecuted for impersonating a lawyer. I think he is no better than Jim Jones and should be investigated for brainwashing his cult members. The best part is that instead of his cult opening their eyes and realizing that they have been had once again for someone to profit from them, they all cheer him on and say they would gladly pay him.

    Step away from the kool-aid people, step away.

    • mung says:

      Ahh and alas the new tag line at the end of Freddy’s blogs.

      “If you like this article, please consider sharing and liking it by clicking on the buttons immediately below and making a financial contribution by clicking on the yellow donation button in the upper right part of this page just below the blue banner containing my name and the name of the blog.

      Your contributions will enable me to continue writing informative articles regarding the law and the Trayvon Martin murder case.

      Thank you.”

      How does the blood of that “innocent child” taste Freddy?

    • John Galt says:

      Stop posting about Leatherman. I can’t resist taking a peek, then I get dumber.

      “The attorney-client work product privilege”

      WTF? They are separate things: 1) a/c privilege and 2) attorney work product doctrine

      • mung says:

        The whole site is a work of fiction. Freddy said again the other day that George admitted to having Trayvon in a wrist lock prior to shooting him. Sorry Freddy, that is not true and you know it.

    • Sharon says:

      Oh, good grief. Freddy does not have situational awareness.

      Those who depend on deception to maintain positions of power will always be able to find an audience willing to be deceived–I’ll give him that.

    • Do you think Freddy’s audience will pay him with food-stamps? DOLT!

  22. froggielegs says:

    Turn on Insessions Vinnie Politan is coming up and he says he is “Mad at what Zimmerman is doing” Good lord this man is such a drama queen. Can’t wait to hear what he cries about

  23. Nettles18 says:

    The Legal team has posted the colored photo taken by the officer the night of the incident. Why did it take the State until October 29th to give this to the defense?

  24. Sha says:

    His nose is swollen pretty bad. He had to have took alot of shots to his nose after it was broke. I broke my nose and it didn’t swell that bad.

  25. nettles18 says:

    Turns out there was a witness to Tracy Martin telling Serino “no” in response to is that your son yelling for help. And BDLR knew it. That witness was the voice-stress analyzer and the defense was set to depose him. BDLR failed to disclose this tidbit of information before the scheduled deposition so now the defense has motioned to depose the person again! What an incredible waste of resources and its not the State (so far) who is paying for GZ defense!

    • John Galt says:

      I would have asked the court to order that BDLR pay for the deposition out of his own pocket.

    • Kim says:

      I dont understand how people believe that it was TM screaming for help when it was him doing all of the punching. Afterall, GZ has all of the injuries.

  26. Kim says:

    I keep on thinking about what the TM supporters will do when the case is dropped. I do think some will riot, and some innocent people will be jumped, etc. I hope the state prepares in advance for the sake of the innocent people in the cesspool state of Flordia.

    • myopiafree says:

      Hi Kim, I would say IMMUNIZED in a “Stand your Ground” hearing. Thus George will be PROTECTED against the CIVIL CASES Scheme Crump wished to bring against George. This is the most important aspect of the SYG (Self-defense law) passed by Florida.

  27. jordan2222 says:

    Has anyone had difficulty accessing the site today? I finally got on but just typed a lengthy post that did not make it.

    I will wait for a reply from anyone

  28. mung says:

    Whoa there Crumpy…..
    “Molly Moon its simple math. George stated that he had blood all over his face. For someone to assail George’s face, the assailant’s hands would make contact with the blood and dna of George. There was none on Trayvon’s hands or sleeves that should have splattered up, therefore, Trayvon never attacked George at all. On top, he was being stalked by a stranger with an attitude and a gun, the kid had every right to defend himself. Perhaps George staged these injuries.”

    Is he really saying that between the time George shot Trayvon and the police arrived that George somehow staged the injuries? Is he that limited that he doesn’t understand that there wasn’t enough time and this statement will make him look like a total idiot? Or is he saying that the police helped “fake” the injuries after they showed up?

    • It actually makes MORE sense that TM has no blood on his hands. The back of Georges head was bleeding badly, but on his face, the only blood I observed was from his nose. Now when he was laying on the ground, that blood would NOT be coming out of his nose, it would be dripping down his throat (as he indicated in his statements). It was only after he fired the shot, and was able to get out from under TM and stand up that the blood started dripping out hos nose and down his chin.

      IF he had been ON TOP of TM, then blood would have been found on TM hands, as wll as his clothes.

    • James F says:

      Good points, but I think the main reason no blood/DNA was found on Martin’s hands is because HIS HANDS WERE NEVER TESTED FOR DNA.

      Only his finger nail clippings were tested. Besides, his hands were never bagged to preserve blood/DNA evidence as he lay on the wet ground in the rain for a few hours, with only a loose yellow plastic tarp covering him.

      • doodahdaze says:

        Don’t mess with the cops. They are our witnesses. Except for 4 of them.

      • justfactsplz says:

        It is my understanding that his hands were wrapped and bagged at the scene to preserve evidence. There are also pictures of his hands somewhere in evidence but have not been released by the prosecution

    • jello333 says:

      Who is saying that? That’s Crump?!

  29. partyof0 says:

    On the global grind…under A NEW PHOTO SURFACES, Crump says under a response to a Pamela Rose Phillips…

    “Joe Fazek All the witnesses and evidence show that George instigated the whole confrontation and Trayvon never even attacked George at all, even though he would be justified under SYG to whoop George’s as, so you obviously have not read the evidence against Zimmerman. George’s injuries are staged by George himself to bolster his self defense claim.”
    …..Benjamin “Justice 4 Trayvon” Crump

  30. mung says:

    Ahh yet another Leatherhead follower with yet another illogical explanation.

    “aussie says:
    December 3, 2012 at 4:13 pm

    Actually it shows quite clearly some surface swelling on the right side, exactly where the scratch is that might be a burn, the one probably caused by the bullet casing. That wouldn’t take long to go down, being entirely superficial.”

  31. dmoseylou says:

    Sorry if this is posted already. The Daily Beast has the new photo as it’s #1 story.

    New Photo of Zimmerman Leaked

  32. Cyrano says:

    I have not seen one single news story about this age difference. This tells me no one from the MSM is going to even question Crump about this. This is an important development, because either the girl lied to Crump, or Crump lied to everybody. This is not some reality show where lying is part of the game! The media should be all over this.

  33. ottawa925 says:

    Need more help. SD I believe has put up that Gutman has an audio recording of the phone conversation between DD and Trayvon. Am I correct? This does exist? How could you get recording of that phone conversation? Was there a feature on either phone (hers/his) that allowed them to press a button and start recording the conversation?

  34. eastern2western says:

    the defense is already finding all kinds of problems with dd before the deposition. after they depose dd, I truly hope they will release a recording a tape of dd trying to tell her whole story without crump holding cue cards in front of her.

  35. doodahdaze says:

    I will be surprised if strategic depositions and subpoena’s do not run the state off of this scam.

  36. LoudaJew says:

    the only fair picture the media should show from now on is Trayvon in 7/11 next to George with the bloody face.

  37. LoudaJew says:

    about the DD phone call, DD’s parent must have spoke with Tracy Martin. whomever it was had an 18 year old daughter. this person never spoke with Trayvon, but that’s just apparent to me since Tracy will not give the PIN to the phone. the phone call never happened if you ask me, or maybe it did, but Tracy or an administrator from the phone company has to check the phone that is part of evidence.

    • caruhsel says:

      Sorry, I couldn’t resist the opportunity. Reading this blog on a daily basis has engendered an entirely new but baffling vocabulary to my repertoire Kinda like the “New Word for the Day” that ran in the daily comic page of the newspaper – “Build Your Vocabulary”
      I love this blog!
      Especially the Crumponics

  38. Trayvon’s cell phone questions for anyone that knows about that stuff.,2166.msg104024.html#msg104024

    • myopiafree says:

      Hi Rise,
      No one can give you can exact answer. My Cell has a battery level indicator. I doubt that Trayvon had it on a charger, and if, as stated he “ran” it for six hours (as Crump stated) it probably went dead – during those six hours. The only way you could PROVE it was working – would be by the “ping logs” – that show transmission from that phone. That is why Corey will not produce them.
      Further, if you DROP a phone, it mostly “folds”, that protect its battery with a very low “draw”. That is why I believe it had to be dead BEFORE it was dropped – as least for the previous 15 minutes. What you need is the time of all the calls (normally on the phone, or the record from T-Mobil. These have NEVER been produced directly from the phone company.
      It would be interesting to know at what point that specific phone starts beeping and for how much longer it would run before running out of juice. Does it even beep? Was it still on at the time the attack occurred? According to DD, yes. Someone had to have heard it. We’re only talking about a few minutes here. Surely it didn’t run out of juice within the few minute window between the start of the fight (that DD says she heard) to the shot and the witnesses/police showing up. That would be freakishly good (or bad) timing. Would ping logs show exactly when the phone stopped working?
      My Cell does not “beep”. But I can see the “state of charge”, and take care of it. Yes, the ping logs would show the previous 40 minutes – if it was working – from the time TM left the 7-11. We will never get those records, now will we ever get a SIM dump and a MEMORY dump from that phone – as long as Coery and Bernie are running this show.

      Speaking of which, are we sure it ran out of juice? I vaguely recall that water is what stopped it from working

      • Or banging George on the face and head with it. Is this a method of attack – use an object so your hands show no signs of a fight? Remember George said he thought he was being hit with a “brick”.

      • Arkindole says:

        “…ran out of juice”…(?)
        3/2/12 7:44 S47338 Santiago, Joseph
        3/6/12 8:30 S47338 Santiago, Joseph
        “I noticed a black cell phone near the area of Martin. I then contacted Agent Shor from CCIB to my location and asked him to bring the celabrite device, a device that is used to down load cell phone information. Upon Agent Shor’s arrival he hold me that he could no down load any information because the cell phone batter was either very low or the was not operable because the cell phone had gotten wet because of the current weather condition (wet and rain).
        On February 28. 2012 I spoke with SA Carier who told me, we did not need a search warrant. I had CST Smith take the cell phone to the Seminole County Sheriff’s Office to see if they could download the cell phone. On March 1, 2012 I was contact by the supervisor from the Seminole County Sheriff’s Office that they could not do anything with the cell phone other than download what was on the memory chip because they did not have the password.
        On March 2, 2012 Inv. Singleton contacted a representative from T-Mobil who told her if the Sanford Police Department obtained the cell phone number and the pin number to the account they would be able to bypass the swipe code on the cell phone.

        On March 5, 2012 I contacted Mr. Martin (victims father) via cell phone and asked if I could obtain the pin number from the victims cell phone. Mr. Martin stated he would contact his lawyer before releasing that information.”

    • jordan2222 says:

      Dummy me has never figured out how to reply there even thought I am always logged on.

      Martin’s last call ended when he put the ear buds in his pocket. He talked to no one after that. That is when he decided to go after George and planned his attack. I am saying this strictly from a common sense view point.

      I doubt that he had any conversation with The DeeDee in the minutes prior to his attack. When we get actual phone cell phone logs, that will be clear. Without coaching, there is no way that she would have said Martin was rushing back to see the second half of an All Star game that had not even started. And remember, also that Martin did NOT even like basketball.

      The ABC interview is a complete fabrication created by Crump and BLDR knows it. Go to DMan’s site and you will find 3 different variations of her interview. Bernie knew he was talking to a different DeeDee when he got there for his interview and tried to stick the original script with his leading questions including the one about the All Star game so he knew what was on the Crump/Gutman tape.

      I am still baffled that they were so stupid to not check when the All Star game started.

  39. jello333 says:

    Whatever happened to the old saying, “a grand jury could indict a ham sandwich”? In other words, it takes very little evidence for a GJ to recommend prosecution. And yet the Scheme Team was “frustrated” that this was gonna be presented to a GJ? Really? Does that mean they believed that there wasn’t even that minimal amount of evidence needed to attain an indictment? So they pretty much agreed with Wolfinger, and the cops, and the witnesses? And yet they STILL wanted an indictment and arrest? Hmm….

    • myopiafree says:

      I think that statement, “GJ could not indict a ham sandwitch” – is “cute” but false. The PROSECUTOR presents the data to the Grand Jury, and the G.J. makes a judgment as to whether there is ENOUGH EVIDENCE to continue into a Jury Trial. I agree that THIS CASE NEEDED A GJ TRIAL!! Good or bad. Crump was screaming TRIAL. Well the GJ is a TRIAL. You can’t call a GJ BIASED. Further, you can blame the Judge for a “biased”, decision, nor the prosecutor – ONLY THE GJ. This is why Corey-Crump were corrupt – in abrogating that GJ Trial. I would say, let the chips fall where they may.

      • jello333 says:

        No, that’s my point: A grand jury is NEVER biased IN FAVOR of an accused person. If they’re biased at all, it almost certainly would be AGAINST the accused, since the defense isn’t allowed to present evidence. Which is why it’s generally considered pretty easy to get an indictment, as long as there’s even a small amount of evidence against an accused. Which means that, in George’s case, the Scheme Team knew there was probably about ZERO evidence against George.

    • John Galt says:

      “Does that mean they believed that there wasn’t even that minimal amount of evidence needed to attain an indictment?”

      There is essentially no evidence. They should have allowed the case to go to a GJ, then called out the National Guard to deal firmly with looters and rioters after the GJ failed to indict.

      • jello333 says:

        For sure. But what I’m saying is that since the Scheme Team was whining about a Grand Jury, they were basically ADMITTING, through their whining, that there was no, or nearly no, evidence against George. Of course we realize they KNEW there was no evidence. What I’m saying is they were, in effect, publicly ADMITTING they knew that… right from the start. (Am I making any sense?)

        • myopiafree says:

          Hi Jello – First Crump LIED about Norfinger – who WOULD CONDUCT THE GJ. Then, to continue his scheme, he had to apply INTENSE PRESSURE ON COREY TO DE-RAIL that GJ review. That most certainly have ended this farce. He then had to INVENT a “bomb shell” witness DeeDee^3 – who would be an “ear witness” of Geroge (presumably) attacking George. Corey INSTANTLY wrote a 2nd degree, even though there was NOTHING IN WHAT DEEDEE SAID TO SUPPORT THAT ACTION. All DeeDee said was that TM got to Greene’s home (and could have stepped in), and then went back to “confront” George. Crump-Corey needed that to by-pass the GJ.

  40. Hugh Stone says:

    Find out where the Scheme Team has been for the past few days and next few days and win a prize! I bet they are prepping her right now. A problem for Crump and co is their limited time in a real courtroom. They don’t have the polished courtroom skills. They lack the understanding of how a real lawyer works.

    • jordan2222 says:

      You would have to find a judge and jury that speak Crumpese or have a translator. Court reporter would have a blast.

  41. david says:

    Well, now we all know why Baldy wanted his gag order so desperately

  42. Alexandra M. says:

    As certain rabid Trayvonites like to say:
    BOOM BOOM BOOM and BOOM!!!!!!!
    Here’s a BOOM!!!! for ya’ll……. :-)

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