President Trump calls attention to recent FBI admissions that around 250 FBI agents were placed in the crowd during January 6, 2021, protests. The purpose and premise of the FBI operation remains sketchy.
Story Here – Released FBI Files Here
TRUTH SOCIAL – “It was just revealed that the FBI had secretly placed, against all Rules, Regulations, Protocols, and Standards, 274 FBI Agents into the Crowd just prior to, and during, the January 6th Hoax. This is different from what Director Christopher Wray stated, over and over again! That’s right, as it now turns out, FBI Agents were at, and in, the January 6th Protest, probably acting as Agitators and Insurrectionists, but certainly not as “Law Enforcement Officials.”
I want to know who each and every one of these so-called “Agents” are, and what they were up to on that now “Historic” Day. Many Great American Patriots were made to pay a very big price only for the love of their Country. I owe this investigation of “Dirty Cops and Crooked Politicians” to them! Christopher Wray, the then Director of the FBI, has some major explaining to do. That’s two in a row, Comey and Wray, who got caught LYING, with our Great Country at stake. WE CAN NEVER LET THIS HAPPEN TO AMERICA AGAIN!”
The Ring of Truth – “I am too well accustomed to the taking of evidence not to detect the ring of truth.” 1908, Edith Wharton
Much has been made of the events of January 6, 2021, and with the latest broadcast of CCTV video from inside the Capitol Hill complex, more questions have been raised.
Within the questions: the FBI and government apparatus had advanced knowledge of the scale of the J6 mall assembly, yet did nothing? Why were the Capitol Hill police never informed of the FBI concerns? Why didn’t House Speaker Nancy Pelosi secure the Capitol Hill complex, and why did she deny the request by President Trump to call up the national guard for security support?
Why did the FBI have agent provocateurs in the crowd, seemingly stimulating rage within a peaceful crowd to enter the Capitol building? There have always been these nagging questions around – ‘why?’
Long time CTH reader “Regitiger” spent a great deal of time reviewing the entire process, looking at the granular timeline and then overlaying the bigger picture of the constitutional and parliamentary process itself. What follows below is a brilliant analysis of the federal government motive to create a J6 crisis that permitted House Speaker Nancy Pelosi to trigger an emergency session and avoid the 2020 election certification challenges.
Those congressional floor challenges, known and anticipated well in advance of the morning of January 6, 2021, would have formed a legal and constitutional basis for ‘standing’ in judicial challenges that would have eventually reached the Supreme Court. The certification during “emergency session” eliminated the problem for Washington DC.
Regitiger explains below, only edited by me for clarity and context:
I think most, not all, but a large number of people, are totally missing what happened; and why this happened on Jan 6th. I am going to try my best to outline the events that day, blast past the commonly held assumptions and get right down to the core corruption.
I will present this as a series of questions and answers.
♦ Q1: How do you prevent congress from delaying the certification of state electoral votes?
A: It requires a crisis. A crisis that creates an “emergency” …An “emergency” that invokes special house rules.
FACTS: Remember carefully, focus please. Just moments, literally 3 minutes before two representatives issued a vote for motions to suspend the certification, the House members were “informed” by capitol police and other “agents” that a protest was about to breach the chambers. It was at this time that key people: Pence, Pelosi, Schumer, Mcconnell can be seen being walked out and escorted from the chamber. This effectively halted the Entire Chamber Process.
♦ Q2: Why was it necessary to halt the chamber process?
A: The crisis was created to eliminate the motion challenges to halt the certification and to begin voting to look into voting irregularities and fraud
FACTS: The two motions were completely legal and constitutional under at least two constitutionally recognized procedures… procedures that would REQUIRE the house to pause the certification and then vote to determine whether the motions of suspend could move forward.
♦ Q3: What was so important to refuse this motion and the subsequent votes to suspend the electoral certification?
A: It was important to remove that process entirely and continue the fraud and certify the fraud with no detractors on record. This effectively gives no standing for a SCOTUS ruling appeal! Understand this. If those two motions, even just one had successfully been voted EVEN IF THE MOTIONS were DENIED IN VOTE, this gives those who presented them with STANDING FOR A CONSTITUTIONAL LEGAL ARGUMENT BEFORE SCOTUS.
♦ Q4: Could this have been done some other way other than creating a crisis/protest?
A: Unlikely. In order to prevent those two motions, requires that speaker of the house, minority leaders, and the president of the congress (vice president of the United States: Pence), to NOT BE PRESENT IN THE CHAMBERS.
Once the capitol police and other “law enforcements agents” informed the speaker and these three other individuals, Pelosi UNILATERALLY UNDER EMERGENCY RULES, suspended the business of the congress. This protest was necessary. The crisis was created because there is no other way to suspend the business of certification UNILATERALLY. By creating a crisis invokes emergency procedures. No other circumstances other than war or mass simultaneous explosive diarrhea can create such unilateral speaker delivered suspension of the certification.
♦ Q5: Why did the motions, once that the speaker RECONVENED congress, move forward back again to the floor for votes? Why were members disallowed to even consider putting forward ANY motions to the floor in when the chamber business was reopened?
A: The Speaker initiated the NEW sessions under special emergency rules. These rules abandon and make it clear that the ONLY purpose of the new session was to EXPEDITE the certification and dismiss all prior regular session procedural rules. This is why those two motions to table votes to consider a debate and pause to the certifications of state vote electors never happened later that evening when the house business was reconvened!
♦ Q6: Other than new rules, emergency rules, what other peculiar things occurred when the speaker reconvened?
A: Members were allowed to “vote” in proxy, remotely, not being present. You can use your imagination about what conditions were placed on ALL members during this time to prevent anyone from “getting out of line”.
Also clearly, it was at THIS NEW SESSION that VP Pence, President of Congress, would also have no ability to even consider pausing the electoral certification, because there were no motions of disagreements on the matter. So, in a technical legal claim, he is correct that he had no constitutional authority to address any issues of fraud or doubts about electoral irregularities. But this completely dismisses the FACT that congress created rules in this crisis/emergency that never allowed them to be floored!
Understand what happened in Jan 6, 2021. Don’t get hung up on Viking impostors, stolen Pelosi computers, podium heists, and complicit capitol police. Understand the process and what happened and what WAS NOT ALLOWED TO HAPPEN.
This was a coup….it was a very organized and carefully planned coup. VP Pence without a doubt as well as most members of the house were quite aware of how the certification was going to be MANAGED. It would require new rules to prevent the debate clause from occurring! New rules that ONLY AN EMERGENCY CRISIS COULD CREATE! So, they created an emergency.
•NOTED: I understand why many people have great interest in debunking the j6 event. I get that. I think it is important to dissect and examine the events of that day but please, step back and understand WHY these things happened. Examine the chain of events in congress. Why those two motions that would have at least paused the certification THAT WOULD GIVE VP PENCE THE CONSTITUTIONALLY RECOGNIZED POWER TO MOVE TO SUSPEND THE ELECTORAL CERTIFICATION AND THEN EXAMINE THE IRREGULARITIES AND CLAIMS OF FRAUD!
At the very center of this coup stands Mike Pence, the same individual who also spoiled President Trump’s first opportunities in the earlies hours of his Presidency just 4 years prior, when he created and facilitated the removal of Lt General Michael Flynn. I will not spend much time on this thread explaining why Lt Gen Flynn was so important to President Trump and why the IC was so afraid he would have advisory power to the President. That I will leave for another day, another time. But understand this clearly: MIKE PENCE WAS AND IS WORKING FOR THE MOST CORRUPT CRIMINAL TREASONOUS PEOPLE IN GOVERNMENT.
•PRO TIP: If you really want to get a true understanding of this matter videos of protesters walking in the capitol is not going to address them. Actual video and timeline records of events and the specific actions taken by the speaker just moments before TWO MAJOR ELECTORAL ALTERING MOTIONS WERE ABOUT TO BE FLOORED.
This crisis was developed just in time with a precise coordination to prevent those two motions to be entered into the chamber record. The two motions do not exist. The emergency powers established in the new session made sure they never could be entered. The emergency powers could never happen without a crisis.
God Bless America!”
NOTE: “Under this scenario, the J6 pipe bombs were the insurance policy, in the event the feds couldn’t get the crowd to comply with the FBI provocations. If no one stormed the Capitol, the finding of the two pipe bombs would have then been the emergency needed to stop the process.” Which explains why the FBI has no interest in the DC pipe bomb suspects. ~ Sundance
Note from Author: “I started this effort years ago. To date, no one and I mean no one has replied. It’s as if everyone that can expose it that has a larger platform is either disinterested, or suspiciously withdrawn from the issue. I made several comments about this over the years right here at CTH, on article threads that are relevant to the topic.
I was watching the certification live that day. I recorded it ALL on every channel. I was doing this because no matter what happened that day, I KNEW IT WOULD BE A PROFOUND AND SIGNIFICANT EVENT TO REMEMBER. I never in my wildest imagination (and I have a pretty vivid imagination, always have), expected to see the unmistakable perfectly timed “coincidences” that occurred.
One member raises a motion (with another in waiting for his turn) those two motions were well known and advertised. These were motions to vote for a pause in the certification to examine electoral vote fraud and irregularities. I can’t speak to the veracity and substance of those motions. They were never allowed to even be floored. it was at that exact moment that the house chambers were suspended and 4 of the key members, Pence, Pelosi, Schumer and McConnell were escorted OUT right after initiating the end of the session.
Effectively, this resulted in that motion never being floored at all. Then, when reconvened under special emergency rules, inexplicably those two motions (and perhaps more – we will never know – or will we?) were not even attempted to be motioned. That was not just peculiar to me.
It all started to make more sense when I did some study on constitutional law AND THE HISTORY of specific special authorities given to president of the congress, Pence in this case. Not only did he have the authority and power to suspend the certification, but the duty to address the motion in the same sense that it becomes vital to the debate clause.
There really is no higher significance of weight given to the debate clause than the certification of the votes. This was more than odd to me the way that the media and pence framed their narrative: Pence would not have the constitutional power to suspend certification. Then it hit me, like the obvious clue that was there all the time. He was right. But the reason he is right, is because there WAS NO MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO CAUSE HIM TO SUSPEND!
Understanding this, happened for me about 4 or 5 months after this Jan 6 day. I took me this long to examine the facts, look at the video again, compare it to the arguments made by several leading constitutional academics, and again, inexplicably even some that I respect seemed to dodge that central reality. The motions were never allowed to be floored in the re-convened house rules later that evening. Most would not even venture to address the exotically coincidence that the moment those two members would stand to place the motion before the house, that the House Speaker Pelosi AND Pence ended the session, effectively blocking the motions from being heard in normal house rules.
It’s been a journey for me. A journey that was initiated because I am just a simple but curious person. Perhaps even to a point where I get obsessive in those efforts. Many days and nights combing over the details. praying and trying to make sense of what makes little sense. With over 6 states having serious well known and obvious defects in the voting process, some more credible to believe – some less, but one would not expect the house would be so deliberate in marching past the motions that were definitely going to be present to slow this process down and take the time to get it right. Even IF the claims never reached an intersection that would change the outcome.
There are two possibilities: Millions of people, against all the odds, hitting all-time records even past Obama and Clinton, voted for a naval gazing ambulatory pathological racist moron. And chose Joe Malarkey as their leader. Or this was a coup, a conspiracy, and a treasonous manipulation regime change because President Trump could not be controlled by the deep state and globalists who OWN AND OPERATE WASHINGTON DC.
BOTH POSSIBILITIES ARE TERRIFYING.
The only way for THE PEOPLE to gain power in this country is to force the transfer of it. If truth isn’t the fuel and vehicle, we will just be replacing deck chairs and hitting the next series of expected ice bergs.
Knowing the truth is not enough; however, it is truth that makes it a righteous cause.
God Bless America!”
Sundance provides an addendum in support:
Julie Kelly – […] Just as the first wave of protesters breached the building shortly after 2 p.m., congressional Republicans were poised to present evidence of rampant voting fraud in the 2020 presidential election. Ten incumbent and four newly-elected Republican senators planned to work with their House colleagues to demand the formation of an audit commission to investigate election “irregularities” in the 2020 election. Absent an audit, the group of senators, including Ted Cruz (R-Texas) and Ron Johnson (R-Wis.) pledged to reject the Electoral College results from the disputed states.
The Hail Mary effort was doomed to fail; yet the American people would have heard hours of debate related to provable election fraud over the course of the day.
And no one opposed the effort more than ex-Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.).
During a conference call on December 31, 2020, McConnell urged his Republican Senate colleagues to abandon plans to object to the certification, insisting his vote to certify the 2020 election results would be “the most consequential I have ever cast” in his 36-year Senate career.
From the Senate floor on the afternoon of January 6, McConnell gave a dramatic speech warning of the dire consequences to the country should Republicans succeed in delaying the vote. He downplayed examples of voting fraud and even mocked the fact that Trump-appointed judges rejected election lawsuits.
“The voters, the courts, and the States have all spoken,” McConnell insisted. “If we overrule them, it would damage our Republic forever. If this election were overturned by mere allegations from the losing side, our democracy would enter a death spiral.”
Roughly six hours later, McConnell got his way. Cowed by the crowd of largely peaceful Americans allowed into the building by Capitol police, most Republican senators backed off the audit proposal. McConnell, echoing hyperbolic talking points about an “insurrection” seeded earlier in the day by Democratic lawmakers and the news media, gloated. “They tried to disrupt our democracy,” he declared on the Senate floor after Congress reconvened around 8 p.m. “This failed attempt to obstruct Congress, this failed insurrection, only underscores how crucial the task before us is for our Republic.”
Congress officially certified the Electoral College results early the next day. (read more)
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The J6 pipe bombs were the insurance policy, in the event they couldn't get the crowd to comply with the FBI provocations. If no one stormed the Capitol, the finding of the pipe bombs would have been the emergency needed to stop the process. https://t.co/JqVcGROAPN
— TheLastRefuge (@TheLastRefuge2) March 12, 2023
Of the 274 fbi agents, how many were trainers and team leaders of commie street mutt infiltrators? how many were working on the inside, opening doors and windows. How many were doing more than just being observers?
how many kneel for Floyd?
20 of these POS “agents” were just FIRED for taking the “knee”.
All of them.
A: Only 100%.
(*unless there was true whistleblower in the mix–its possible.)
Yep. He isn’t asking questions he doesn’t have the answer too.
Key reason why an attempt on his life was down multiple times with us publically knowing of just 2.
There is zero chance the people that orchestrated a pipe bomb and a girl getting shot to block debate and use special session rules to certify, will let this be known.
All hell is about to break loose
Now expose the military/intel assets.
https://xcancel.com/realDianaWest/status/1972016948881043622#m
Diana West (from quite some years ago now. and so much smarter than our depraved Bourbon Generals)
Could a culture that wasn’t emasculated, dumbed down, and distracted even consider such a pusillanimous idea as COIN? It’s Kipling’s “Danegeld” on overdrive. Is there no decency left in the Pentagon?
And don’t even get me started on sacrificing our young men for a depraved hopeless country like Afgh. Actually, not even for Afgh. They are being sacrificed for the vanity of those who hatch ideas like COIN, and who, even when those ideas fail spectacularly, will not face reality.
The vain ones don’t have to. Like guests at a Mad Hatter’s Tea Party, they get to *move on* from their messes, to be promoted, to paint pictures in plush retirement, take seats on corporate board$, teach “leadership” classes, gather up honors at black-tie galas. It’s a luxe life, and no one calls them on it, not even to acknowledge what they have wrought.
Others are not so fortunate.
Will there ever be a reckoning?
Eventually. Perhaps not until they stand before God. However most don’t believe in God so that is not any deterrent to their evil deeds.
I’m not interested in submitting to God being their only judgement.
Hell my enemy would prefer that.
Top Law man is PDJT. It’s time for justice
Exactly. Ray Epps was not FBI. The mob was probably about 80% feds.
Shooting tear gas into a crowd and having CNN hide that fact as they frame the image as us running madly to stop an election
There was a honking drive around thing being done after the election.
I watched leftist neighbors run outside to support it with great cheer, until they realized it was only 4 cars.
They then shrunk and went inside
The optics made the fools believe it was a massive landslide, yet their own minds knew the numbers of real people supporting didn’t match the numbers the media presented
I think that both Brennan and Wray need to get the Roger Stone arrest treatment, with FOX News there to document the whole thing.
“Long time CTH reader “Regitiger” spent a great deal of time reviewing the entire process, looking at the granular timeline and then overlaying the bigger picture of the constitutional and parliamentary process itself. What follows below is a brilliant analysis of the federal government motive to create a J6 crisis that permitted House Speaker Nancy Pelosi to trigger an emergency session and avoid the 2020 election certification challenges.”
I remember when ‘Regitiger’ commented on TheConservativeTreehouse about the ‘created’ J6 crisis being used to prevent any challenges to the certification of the fraudulently elected Joe Biden. [Unfortunately, the Joe Biden presidency can’t be set aside.]
…….. The information provided about the fraud is for the history books, and to help prevent such fraud in the future. … Hopefully, people like Mitch McConnell and Nancy Pelosi will become infamous like Benedict Arnold and John Wilkes Booth.
Yes, Regitiger’s post that night on a thread as I recall reading it was so awesome and logical and it gave me great hope! “Brilliant analysis” exactly!
Yes, ‘Regitiger’ provided the ‘brilliant analysis’ in TheConservativeTreehouse comment section, and >Sundance understood ‘Regitiger’ ‘brilliant analysis’ as soon as >Sundance was able to read all the comments. … Sundance worked through the analysis of ‘Regitiger’s’ comment at the time, and I was finally able to understand the situation too.
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Unfortnately, the emergency session and certification of the senile Joe Biden resulted in a ‘done deal’ by the political party of fraudulent elections, The Democrats and the UniParty of Democrats >and Republicans. … Mitch McConnell is now in the history books as another Benedict Arnold.
We as informed Americans now know what it must have been like to have lived behind the Iron Curtain in a country where the leaders were really gangsters. [Nancy Pelosi and cronies gave us a gangster government. Ballot fraud on steroids.]
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As I read through the articles here at TheConservativeTreehouse, I’m left to wonder how >one person can think that much. … Sundance must be the moniker of at least 25 or 30 people filtering their thoughts through one person to provide the unity of the writing style. [It’s meant as a sincere compliment to Sundance!]
We knew it before, it had just never been as in your face as it was for Candidate Trump. He clearly overwhelmed their cheating system with his vast, wide and all consuming popularity. It could not be unseen and yet they insisted it wasn’t so. Don’t believe your lying eyes they said.
Does no one want to talk about the fact that regtiger badly misrepresented the suspension of voting for the motion to debate the electoral votes?
It did not happen as he claims. The votes took place and overwhelmingly were opposed to the motions – at least for Arizona and Pennsylvania.
This fact proves that there was no coup that was accomplished thru the suspension of hearing the motions. The entire premise behind regtigers “brilliant” work is false on its face.
What’s going on here?
Stop your lying.
I’ve already posted the proof. The motions were voted on, contrary to what regtiger claimed. What more do you want?
Hold the phone. There were some unanswered questions regarding the information another poster provided.
First, the congress later passed a bill making it harder to contest future certifications. Which bill was the poster arguing against Regitiger operating his assumptions from.
Second, there is zero chance that the timing on the vote to the objections was nearly simultaneous to the “breach” of the Capitol. The removed the Key players, Mitch, Pelosi, Schumer and Pence from the building at that time to shut down any possible further action could be taken with regard to objecting to certification for a reason. That we aren’t sure exactly what that is yet does not megate the fact that it is obvious the moment was carefully timed to prevent SOMETHING.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2021/01/07/majority-of-house-republicans-vote-to-reject-pennsylvania-arizona-electors/
KEY FACTS
Rep. Paul Gosar (R-Ariz.) and Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) signed an objection to Arizona’s electoral votes for Biden, who won the state narrowly, prompting two hours of debate in both chambers.
However, that debate was cut short by Trump supporters who stormed the Capitol, prompting members to flee to safe locations.
Lawmakers regrouped Wednesday evening to continue the process, at which point a number of Republican senators and a handful of House members initially planning to object indicated they had changed their minds based on the violence.
Rather than the expected 14 Senate votes in favor of the Arizona objection, just 6 senators voted yes, with Sens. Kelly Loeffler (R-Ga.), Cynthia Lummis (R-Wyo.), Bill Hagerty (R-Tenn.), Marsha Blackburn (R-Tenn.), Steve Daines (R-Mont.), James Lankford (R-Okla.) and Mike Braun (R-Ind.) all walking back their support.
But the House fell just short of the 140 expected votes, with only a handful of House members – such as Rep. Cathay McMorris Rodgers (R-Wash.) and Elise Stefanik (R-N.Y.) – backing down.
A later objection to Pennsylvania’s electors, lodged by Sen. Josh Hawley (R-Mo.) and Rep. Scott Perry (R-Pa.), garnered just one more vote in the Senate than the Arizona objection, failing 7-92.
In the House, the objection fared far better than the Arizona objection, garnering an additional 17 votes but still failing 138-282.
As usual, you made no effort to address the specific points I was making and instead attacked an obvious point I that I had already acknowledged and moved beyond.
Why did you not post this paragraph from the article
One objection was stymied due to Loeffler’s last-minute change of heart. Rep. Jody Hice attempted to object to Georgia’s electors with the backing of 74 House Republicans. However, he said, “following the events of today it appears some senators have withdrawn their objection.” Vice President Mike Pence replied that the objection “cannot be entertained.
“https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2021/01/07/majority-of-house-republic
The gun shot
You appear to be a troll enabled by ChatGPT.
Also, the poster (guy) noted it would have prevented other states from possibly obtaining needed signatures for a challenge. The action also prevented Americans from hearing the evidence against the fraud.
There are endless other possible reasons for the timing, but the bottom line is we deserve to know WHY they ended there and came back under special rules. Zero chance it by chance.
Also, I don’t have time to go back for details but he also mentioned that there as the possibility of constitutional challenges to the method of certification they were following. It occurs to me that they could have been assuring their actions were somehow covered if future challenges did not go their way.
For example, the riots forced Pelosi, Schumer, Mitch and PENCE to leave the building so NO further business could occur until returning under different rules and circumstances.
I have NO idea. I’m just making the point that IF Guy (poster contradictingRetitiger) was operating from the correct assumptions then he is just helping to move us toward the truth of why it happened as it did.
It makes sense they were trying to frame Trump with an insurrection, but the timing of the voting occurring at the Capitol, at the moment of the breach tells a story of its own.
AND….. one more thought and I’ll quit….
The fact that they had the pipe bomb as backup, ready at an instant to create an “emergency” clearing the Capitol, further supports the premise that they NEEDED to stop the proceedings and return under new rules and circumstances.
The stoppage of the proceedings HAD NO EFFECT on the motions. That’s what these articles are saying. There was no controversy whatsoever. Further, the articles mention that these motions have been done in almost every election since 2005 – on both sides.
The gun shot did..
U need a senator to start the debate
The 2 motions you speak of only.
It’s not about 2 . It’s about the ones that backtracked and changed their mind because of a gun shot( where 5 men dressed like.fbi with rifles were standing 5 feet from her
It is so annoying to tell you once again that you repeat already acknowledged points, without any ability to relate to the actual discussion at hand.
What “new rules” were enacted? I keep hearing about “new rules,” but cannot find any. What were they?
Yes they returned, but there’s no mention of different rules. From what we can see in the articles, they voted on those motions for two states. Granted I think there were 5 states in question but those two were the swing states Trump should have won.
Regardless, regtigers analysis needs some explaining as to why he left the vote for the two motions completely out. Bc as it looks right now, the whole “analysis” is just fan fiction. That’s why literally no one on the internet EVER wrote something about this besides regtiger.
Provide documented proof. Did someone tell you all that? Did you actually see the motions being made and voted on? Provide documentation.
I don’t understand how you missed it – I’ve provided links 3 times, quotes twice.
Here, Wikipedia spells it out for anyone to comprehend:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_United_States_Electoral_College_vote_count
“The lady doth protest too much, methinks”
Follow the $ is doing nothing more than telling you the truth. You guys are confused because you missed a few things in regitiger’s original post. Yes, there were 7 states that were supposed to have their Certificates of Ascertainment placed under Objections during the Electoral Count procedures. It didn’t happen with five of them because of the riot, and you missed what Sundance himself said in his addendum to regitiger’s post. The entire effort to Object to the Certificates of Ascertainment were “doomed to failure.”
Now, where regitiger was “misinformed” was about how the Joint Session of Congress works. In ANY Joint Session, there are no motions put to the floor, no debates, no votes. Those are done in separate CHAMBERS (plural). Regitiger wrote about a MOTION (Singular), and wondering why the MOTION was not made before what regitiger called THE Chamber (Singular) Process.” Regitiger asked about ONE Chamber process and ONE motion when there would have to be TWO CHAMBERS (House and Senate) and SEVEN MOTIONS if all the motions were put before both chambers concerning ALL SEVEN STATES THAT WERE ORIGINALLY TO HAVE THEIR CERTIFICATES OF ASCERTAINMENT CHALLENGED BY SEVEN DIFFERENT OBJECTIONS WITH SEVEN DIFFERENT MOTIONS put before both houses meeting separately in TWO DIFFERNT CHAMBERS at SEVEN DIFFERENT TIMES. I hope this is clear now.
Only two objections were put forward during the “Chamber Process.” Therefore there were two motions put before the two separate chambers for debate and vote.
How many states opposed.
How many did you reference.
Try harder
See my reply above to Helluva Lot.
No mention??
That’s because you are chatgpt’inf and not watching the recorded video of the event so you can see how they changed their procedures and shut the shit down.
Difference between you and retiger, is that he watched it as a primary source, you googled
At least he has an analysis examining what happened and and why.
As usual, you just have one or two talking points that you repeat, ad naseum, to interrupt the discussions at hand.
But I want to thank you today, as 4thamendment’s response to your talking point actually provides an interesting look at the possibility that the goal was to have the time and means to send a very targeted and sinister message of intimidation to anyone considering not cooperating with the certification.
So thanks for that.
I did not CONTRADICT regitiger. Regitiger asked questions which I answered. That is not contradicting. He requested a response and he got one. In fact, I posted something similar a few months ago.
“It makes sense they were trying to frame Trump with an insurrection, but the timing of the voting occurring at the Capitol, at the moment of the breach tells a story of its own.”
But what story does it actually tell? What do you think it is and what besides the whole thing about 3 minutes does to prove it? Does it HAVE to be three minutes, and if so, why? Do you people not know what it takes to make a case?
Let me give you an example. The alleged murder of the Ukrainian refugee woman in the Charlotte, NC subway video clearly shows the alleged killer waiting until the public address system stopped broadcasting to pull out his typical pocketknife, open the blade, and commence trying to slash the left and right sides of the woman’s neck, and make slashing motions in the area of her throat. Does that mean someone trained him to do all of this as soon as the public address system stopped its broadcasting? No. It may be a reasonable suspicion, but that’s all.
” under different rules ”
What “different rules?” Do you have a list of these rules? Who says they need to be under “different rules and circumstances” to resume the Electoral Vote Count?
You people talk about these “new rules” and “Special Emergency Rules” but never discuss what these rules SAID, nor do you cite what they REQUIRE. Some have referred us to the 1/6 Congressional Record while still not citing what the rules REQUIRED or what they said at all. Just we should read the Congressional Record and “try to figure it out.” Now, just what are you doing here? Are you defending a certain narrative for reasons other than its provable accuracy? Just what are you doing here?
There were no new rules:
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/03/congress-rules-electoral-college-count-454023
As the article pointed out, the only rules governing the count of the Electoral Votes are those “enshrined in” the Electoral Count Act. Those cannot be changed without Congressional vote for amendments to the Electoral Count Act, and the President signing the amendment as passed by Congress.
ty Elle, it is my genuine desire not to be proven correct, or not, but that we should know more about that day…nothing about it was regular. nothing. when it matter the most to get the vote certification correct…
are you serious a navel gazing ambulatory senile pathological liar and cheat that dwelled in the basement and could not put together a single 1,000 person rally in his campaign could SOMEHOW draw more votes than Obama and Clinton?
come on man….who are we kidding?
this wasn’t some slick gimics..it was a bank heist in broad daylight.
and the cops who should have been protected the vault, went out on a smoke break!!!!!!’
who is the worst criminal..the thief who steals the money? or the security guard who looks the other way?
congress TOO GREAT PAINS TO LOOK THE OTHER WAY.
anyone can see this.
when we talk about constitutional crisis, most people get pidgeoned on legal ease. No…the worst kind of crisis is when good men and women seeing a fraud, a heist, a score, just look the other way.
we KNOW WHY THEY LOOKED THE OTHER WAY>
\they could not control President Trump/ THEY COULD NOT FIND IT IN THEMSELVES TO JUST REPRESENT THE WILL OF YOU AND ME>>THE PEOPLE.
treason…that is the label I give Congress members …not all of them, but the majority who simply refuses to
ASK
THE
RIGHT
EFFING
QUESTIONS
they are responsible for this.
God Bless America
No, thank you. You unlocked the story of a very dark moment in American History for us all to see.
We don’t need every detail (yet) to see the outline of this historic coup.
Thank you for calling attention to the detail that ties it together and allows us to see that our Congress, Senate AND the Vice President were 99% willingly complicit.
Thank you.
I was using the 2021 version of the Electoral Count Act, not the 2022 version and the proof of that is I used the number of signatures of Members of the House and Senate it took in 2021 to have a valid Objection to a Certificate of Ascertainment from a State. That was ONE Member of the House and ONE Senator. The 2022 version requires 87 House members and 20 Senators. I answered this on the place where I originally posted my first reply to regitiger. I’ve written about this many times over the past four years, including BEFORE the 2022 changes, and wrote the same things repeatedly, including to one of the republications of regitiger’s original post. I also have many posts about this subject on Twitter (X) and the pinned thread on my X feed is about the Electoral Count Act PRIOR TO 2022.
Now it is past time to put this non-issue to rest. I posted a link to the Electoral Count Act mostly out of habit of doing back in 2021 and 2022 when I participated in debates PRIOR TO THE REVISIONS OF THE ACT. However, I also posted a link to the Norm Eisen pamphlet that applies the Electoral Count Act AS WRITTEN AS OF 1/6/2021. I also made available the You Tube videos of the Joint Session of Congress on 1/6/2021 when the 2021 version of the Electoral Count Act was in effect.
Again, no one knows why that three minutes occurred. I told you what I thought was the main reason for THE ENTIRE AFFAIR–Give the appearance of an insurrection. The You Tube channel redacted showed footage of the documentary shot be one of Pelosi’s relatives. There are two different versions of Pence’s phone call to Schumer and Pelosi regarding how soon the Joint Session could resume. In one version, Shumer and Pelosi ALONE take the call. In another, Grassley is present, and sound of Pence’s voice invokes a physical reaction by Pelosi that was not in the version with just Shumer and Pelosi. This would mean the documentary shot “scenes” and “takes” of scenes and selected one of them for the finished version of the “documentary.” This is real evidence of the entire thing being a false flag.
Do you think the House would have voted to reject the Certificate of Ascertainment for either Arizona or Pennsylvania? Do you really think that?
Do you want to prove your statement that Regitiger was wrong? Or do you want us to believe it because you said it?
“Never wrestle with pigs. You both get dirty and the pig likes it. “
Rule # 1
Never argue with dummies.
Show your work. Or be ignored.
Plus your device is and everyone likes your post can be seen
Georgia was the easiest to prove
Wrong.
Why did they go to emergency rules.
The shot.
Why were black.gear.men with rifles, standing by them breaking a window and her going inside.
What Emergency Rules? What did those Emergency Rules say? Why didn’t those rules prevent the hearing of the motion that was placed before the separate houses of Congress over the objection to the Pennsylvania Certificate of Ascertainment?
Stand down fool dont call my friend Rettiger a liar without proof. Present your facts or GIT. Even if the facts find favor with you and they dont you still need to retract your lie BS. We are all of age.
Lots of Master’s theses and PhD dissertations will be written about this period in our history. And it ain’t gonna’ look good for the dims.
The idea of, “There must be a way” to overturn the ‘Fraudulent Election’ and all the ballot fraud” is a ‘hopium’, that many of us had, when Joe Biden was selected to become President.
……. I was one of the people with a lot of ‘hopium’ even after reading Sundance’s great analysis of Regitiger’s comment. … >Intellectually I knew the ‘selection’ of Joe Biden was a ‘done deal’ by our political elites.
Intellectually and emotionally, it was hard to believe that America could be as crooked as an Iron Curtain country. … But, the ‘hopium’ was just a false hope. It was a ‘done deal’ when Joe Biden was certified as the winner of the fraudulent process. … To know and intellectual understand and accept certain events often takes a while.
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‘Saul Alinsky’s 13 Rules for Radicals’ is a work that should be reviewed occasionally. … NOT to deceive people, but to understand how we as Americans are being manipulated by the ‘Elites’ that are in charge of many areas in our country.
There is the ‘psychology’ of manipulation that is applied to all of us voters. [The manipulation is successfully used in commercial advertising, and other areas including show business.]
TheConservativeTreehouse has written about how most Americans live in a ‘main street’ economy. … The ‘Elites’ live through a ‘Wall Street’ economy, and Americans are manipulated by the ‘economic experts’ to believe that all of us are benefiting when the ‘Elites’ become ‘Wall Street’ rich, while we Americans become ‘main street’ poorer.
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Hellava’ Lot in this comment section = has the correct attitude about ‘wrestling with pigs’ in his comment.
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Now days, the mud-covered pig might be living in Communist China or Pelosi’s basement. … The ‘Pig’ is just being used to sow weeds among the tares. … The mud-covered pig could also be an A.I. bot. … The computer = Artificial Intelligence is going to cause a number of problems for Americans.
do we know if those members were present in reconvened session to again attempt motion to challenge ? or isolated away?
Yes they voted on Arizona and Pennsylvania and they failed both attempts in both the house and senate. Idk why regtiger says otherwise.
Because you are delusional.
It wasn’t just 2 states.
Irritating
Look, what Pennsylvania and Arizona show us is that, with the Democrats in charge of the US House of Representatives on January 6, 2021, it only took ONE HOUSE VOTING FOR THE CERTIFICATE OF ASCERTAINMENT FOR THOSE ELECTORAL VOTES TO BE ACCEPTED AS THE TRUE ELECTORAL VOTES, in this case for Arizona and Pennsylvania. The Pennsylvania Objection, that was debated for two hours followed by the votes WAS AFTER THE RIOT AND THE RECONVENING OF THE ELECTORAL VOTE COUNT. If “Special Emergency Rules” governing the Electoral Count, that are NOT INCLUDED IN THE BODY OF THE ELECTORAL COUNT ACT, were imposed, why was the Pennsylvania Objection heard since the SPECIAL EMERGENCY RULES were enacted prior to the opening of the Pennsylvania Certificate of Ascertainment by the President of the Senate, that would not be possible since you people insist that “Special Emergency Rules,” promulgated by the Democrats SHOULD HAVE FORBIDDEN ANY FURTHER ACCEPTANCE OF OBJECTIONS, INCLUDING PENNSYLVANIA.
If all seven of those states had their objections heard, the vote would have been the same and would have been legal according to the Electoral Count Act circa 2021. It really didn’t matter to the Democrats how many objections were debated in separate chambers and voted on by both houses, including the delay of ten days for the Joint Session of Congress to count the Electoral Votes. That was voted down, too, in the debates over the two objections that were heard. The HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES would have voted ALL SEVEN TIMES FOR THE CERTIFICATES OF ASCERTAINMENT FILED BY THE GOVERNORS OF ALL SEVEN STATES. Those were all Electoral Votes for Biden. It only takes one House to vote for the Certificate of Ascertainment.
They can see who likes. And link agitators
So fox news now saying that Kash is now giving more details explaining that these 274 agents were only sent in after the event went out of hand to do crowd control. And is basically denying that any of them were actually planted to invite or control anything. This seems kind of weird and demonstrates again that he’s here to protect the FBI. And if it’s true what he says, why did it take 2 additional days to get him to comment?
Great. So we now know less than we did a week ago about what really happened.
So lets see all the 14,000 hours of J6 video, unredacted, using facial recognition, to confirm, or unconfirm what these (and other) FED agents were actually doing.
PDJT can easily release this video evidence to the public.
Then why is the video footage of many changing clothes and inside the building looking at the outside crowd BEFORE the doors were opened?
Wow, Kash has really fallen down the rabbit hole. How about Bongino? Has he found the pipe bomber yet? He sure did talk about it enough on his podcast.
Yep–pictures or words of Patel and Bongino always make me want to vomit last nite’s supper.
The only silver lining to this–and it’s incredibly thin–is that neither of them will be a force in MAGA after their tenures are over. They may get a gig on one of the networks or a talk show, be asked to be an honorary member on some boards or directors, receive honorary doctorates, make post-tenure speeches for $$$, etc. — but neither can ever speak to or move among MAGA again. Instead, they will rub elbows with the corrupt filth in our government for the rest of their lives.
Hope selling your souls were worth it, fellas. Despite all your inevitable non-MAGA accolades and privileges after your FAILED tenures in the FBI, I hope you are MISERABLE and I hope the devils you followed, and whose will you carried out while in office, hunt you mercilessly every waking and sleeping hour until you reach your graves. Spit.
Sorry for such harsh words on a Sunday……
Not harsh at all. The truth can hurt sometimes.
Because a they say can say anything and water others brain power talking of it
The protestations of those FBI officers who complained about this deployment (and whose complaints are what made this memo happen) make no sense if they were not undercover, without necessary gear, and “unable to identify themselves as armed officers”…
Now, why would you send undercover LE to mop up? You DON’T.
And on top of the 274 Fibbies, how many confidential human sources were there? How many Uke commandos? How many hired Antifa? It seems that everyone who had a dog in the fight had representatives (agitators) there.
Many.
It sounds like Kash is walking it back!
I don’t think he can. They had no face shields or riot gear, so they blended into the crowd. Kash is confabulating, being put on the spot.
lol then why were the agents “controlling” the event not identified as such? Like an on duty police officer outside a sporting event in plain clothes… nonsense.
They failed.at.controllimg
Patel is a spineless hack liar at this point. IF the F B LIE was going to send agents for crowd control, they’d have been wearing FBI vests with badges on neck lanyards and many other LE identifications. The so called crowd control cops would NOT have been in plainclothes.
Kash should immediately be fired, just like Comey was.
Seems like kash is being controlled by someone. Who? Kash needs to be replaced.
RETIGER. God Bless you my friend That day You became a very important person in my world letting me know We are under a false administration for four years. I will pass this info on to all who I can Thank you sir.
as well he should, not to sound like Sean Hannity, what a mutt!
Do you remember Richard Nixon, resigned rather than be impeached, right?
How about Dwight Eisenhower, a war criminal, right?
where to being, Nixon -Reagan opened the door to globalism, exporting jobs and importing cheap labor, right?
Here we are, 60 years after the civil right and immigration acts of the 60’s, what an effing joke, right?
Trump is 45 years too late on globalism, and 60 years too late on lawlessness. Let’s pray it’s not too late for godliness.
The Son of Perdition will make an appearance, was Charlie Kirk one of the witnesses? That, too, remains to be seen, and see we will — Yoda
That 274 is only FBI agents. What about other agencies? They now have SWAT in almost every single agency. How many others did the Biden Regime send into the crowd? That and along with their paid agitators from Antifa.
I’d wager that half of the people that went into the building were actual Federal law enforcement plus assets.
It was always a Fedsurrection.
Fraud vitiates EVERYTHING.
In business law, yes. Constitutional issues are different. The Constitution does not address do-overs for fraudulent elections. Maybe it should, but it doesn’t.
To Bad PDJT ego rean away with him and he had to have another big rally down the street and then He Actually Sent the People down to the Capital to Peacefully protest!. If he had just sent them home to call their representatives, this may have never happened.
Liar.
President Trump told everyone to go home peacefully after his rally.
I remember that well, seeing it live on TV
“I know you’re hurt… but go home”
And he stalled an hour to make the conspiracy not work
( Screwed their timeline)
Again we have lazy or dishonest people posting
Oh how the mighty in their own minds(BigAB) have been drawn here to refute the truth. Telling, isn’t it!!
The nerve of patriotic American citizens showing up en masse to protest a blatantly stolen election!
Waving American flags, singing and praying, going to the “people’s house” to try and give spines to our almost entirely spineless CONgress critters to do the right thing and have votes verified so we would have a POTUS and not a POTATUS.
/s
It’s a daunting thing to restore a republic if you can’t protest your government or the government’s actions.
There was a reason our Founding Fathers gave us the RIGHT to peacefully assemble.
It’s telling that the corruptiCONS used all these agencies to thwart the people and make it NOT peaceful.
Either we control our government or or our government controls us. I know which I work towards.
So does this mean that all those who were tried and imprisoned in the J6 insurrection trials can now file a class action lawsuit claiming entrapment by the FBI and those in Congress ans the Trump administration who participated in this scam?
And can we also assume that this is a RICO case as well?
Were they wearing Make America Great Again red caps? Were they told to disguise themselves as Trump supporters?
Did any of them participate in any violence towards any other law enforcement individual or cause any property damage?
Trump understands that the FBI wasn’t there to stop crime but to make certain that crime took place. And the 274 FBI provocateurs were just the tip of the iceberg . Ray Epps was not FBI but apparently a CIA or other deep state contractor. Fedsurrection indeed.
There is so much information in this posting, I will have to read, re-read and re-re-read until I absorb it all. Thank you Sundance for all that you do. God bless you, your family and all those who help you keep this going! Thank you from the bottom of my heart!
Unfortunately it appears that Regtiger has made a mistake:
“The Wednesday night vote on Arizona — 93-6 in the U.S. Senate and 303-121 in the U.S. House…”
And again for Pennsylvania:
“In the Senate, the objection failed 92-7, and House members rejected it 282-138.”
So both motions were indeed voted on and decidedly rejected by the house and senate.
https://www.texastribune.org/2021/01/06/ted-cruz-electoral-college/
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/bills-would-curtail-congressional-objections-at-future-jan-6-vote-counts
Its strange no one vetted regtigers claims until now.
The votes you describe were taken in the separate chambers of the House and Senate since (under the rules), once an objection was raised, the separate chambers were forced to adjourn their combined session and meet separately to vote. Once the EMERGENCY happened, and everyone fled, and re-convened hours later for the combined session, the session was re-convened by NP under “special emergency rules” and the objections were never brought up again.
I think that fact matters. I do remember that the day Regitiger published his awesome analysis that I went back to the original Congressional Record to try to figure it out. Please do the same and let us know.
Ignore it. Once it fails to tell the truth, it fails to be respected
What were the “Special Emergency Rules?” What did these “Special Emergency Rules” say exactly?
“I went back to the original Congressional Record to try to figure it out.”
If you “figured it out” you would have told us the specifics of any “Special Emergency Rules” and show us exactly how that answers any questions about what regitiger posted, but, instead, you tell us to “do the same,” which is read the Congressional Record and “try to figure it (I assume “it” is the ‘Special Emergency Rules’) out.” If there were “Special Emergency Rules” why were they not spelled out so all could “figure them out.”
The link you people keep referencing is about the House Debate about the Arizona Objection. I didn’t see any list of “Special Emergency Rules.” Don’t you people have a link to what happened in the Senate? Maybe they got the list of “Special Emergency Rules.”
Was the roll call of state electors finished before or after Congress was hustled out of the chamber?
Do you think that separate votes in the House and the Senate chambers were in any way influenced by “the trauma” and “fear” of “rabid dangerous Trump insurrectionists”?
My recollection is that many more in both chambers stated that they would vote ‘Yea’ right before the event, but changed their mind “for the sake of unity and a new need to present a united front that Congress would “not be swayed by the violence of Trump and his supporters lawlessness” and “we must finalize this officially now to secure the country before ‘they’ tear it apart.”
Probably just Establishment UniParty Politicians anyway wanting to keep Trump and the MAGA movement out of DC.
Was the roll call of state electors finished before or after Congress was hustled out of the chamber?
No. It continued after the riot. The riot interrupted the ARIZONA debate. The Pennsylvania debate occurred AFTER THE RIOT and AFTER THE RECONVENING OF THE JOINT SESSION OF CONGRESS TO COUNT THE ELECTORAL VOTE.
Do you think that separate votes in the House and the Senate chambers were in any way influenced by “the trauma” and “fear” of “rabid dangerous Trump insurrectionists”?
No. I keep trying to tell all of you that it only takes ONE HOUSE to vote for the CERTIFICATE OF ASCERTAINMENT of the ELECTORAL VOTE, filed by each state’s governor, to make the Certificate of Ascertainment for that state to be the Electoral Votes that get certified. The Biden Certificates of Ascertainment were always going to win in the votes about the Objections since the DEMOCRATS CONTROLLED THE MAJORITY IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES.
All I know is the republicans took a dive, participated in the steal and were complicit in the COVID and Russia frauds. So the details of the in house votes are just just icing on the cake. I won’t attempt to debate you on parliamentary procedure in a short comment(I lack the technical expertise) .
PBS??? You actually provide an article from PBS. Wow. I thought there was something sketchy about your previous posts, but now I’m sure. Go troll somewhere else.
I thank Sundance and Regitiger for being all over this. I was not as sophisticated in my analysis.
What I saw, from a simple American’s point of view, while watching serveral independent live streamers of the event, was a manufactured crisis. I knew, at the time, that it was all bull puckey. I was irate, and also in awe at the audacity of Pelosi and her co-conspirators. On that day, I called Mike Pence a traitor, and he will remain so in my memory. I also un-registered as a Republican because they were also co-conspirators.
Then the media piled on. They not only staged a coup, here in America, families and friends became irreparably divided. To this day, I have a sister, whom I was very close to, and a long time friend, who cut me off for supporting the “Insurrection”. I tried to explain that it was all BS, but to no avail.
Statistically speaking, 2 people out of my many friends and family members is a small percentage, but it is a significant one.
Then came the Covid hoax. Families and friends were further divided. Throw in the summer of love (Antifa) and you’ve got a country in chaos.
One can conclude that the Democrat Party is the party of death, destruction, and division. I don’t know how anyone can remain a Democrat. As many have said, “I didn’t leave the Democrat party. The Democrat party left me.” I don’t know if they can rescue themselves unless they can jettison all the liars and shite disturbers from their midst. But let’s not leave out the twisted, power hungry, unfaithful Republicans! They were all in on it. I remain a registered Independent.
I can say this to the faithless, feckless, Republicans… you better support President Trump. Trump has more faith and optimism than I could ever muster about the future of the country. I pray he can right the wrongs done to us. He can’t do it alone, but we can pray that the Lord favors him, and that we can “turn from our wicked ways”, so that the Lord can “heal our land”. Amen.
A great revelation (such as the conspiracy to circumvent a review of voting irregularities in 2020) should result in a great awakening, a great movement. Discovery of a cabal of coup plotters who successfully snatched our plebiscite from being certified should lead to a swift and certain judgement. But … that is not happening. Reluctant prosecutions of a few scoundrels follow and even those are impeded by statutes of limitations, evidentiary requirements, and judicial musical chairs. Where is the keenness for retribution? For resetting the rule of law? Two puny perjury charges against James Comey? That isn’t going to quite cut it. Here are a few of the obstacles we face if we want to survive as a nation, as America, if we want to “keep” it:
“Trust only movement. Life happens at the level of events not of words. Trust movement”
I see very little.
yet one more glaring example that lying to our elected “representatives” is not a crime and that Congressional hearings are nonsensical kabuki theater for deplorables.
ask Nancy pelosi,
I’d be real dubious over this number. They have repeatedly lied and whitewashed the intelligence community’s involvement in the protest, If it was me, I’d start looking at other agencies shoehorning their own staff into to event and they were likely coordinating the entire thing like a bad theater performance. The opening act was the pretend bombs at the party offices to start the manipulation.
If it is officially 274, the truth is probably 574.
Not counting the hundred and hundreds of CIA, DHS, etc in the crowd.
Agreed and until the controlling documents of all of them are exposed we don’t have the truth.
We need the correspondence coordinating Pelosi and all agencies.
We know they set this up. Giving us a number of FBI on scene barely scratches the surface.
This is what happens when government agencies are allowed to operate without transparency. Federal law enforcement becomes agents provocateur for the regime in power. The agency is under a corrupt director, and he sends corruptible agents to violate the law, for the benefit of the regime. We can’t allow government secrets, hiding evidence, false flags, redacted documents, or political assassinations. Comey and Wray are the tip of the iceberg. The Bureau has had corrupt leadership for a long time, and all of this needs to come out in open, Congressional hearings. Congress will resist, because as in the case of the Epstein videos, a lot of people are implicated. The American people need to demand open hearings, and the only way they are going to get them is to vote out a large percentage of the current Congress.
So many American lives ruined and lost because of these vile demons. This is what we witnessed throughout all of this. And still nothing happening to the head of these demons. All we have is Jesus and glorifying Him. Following Him is most important. We must endure to the end because he loved us to the end.
Yes, and then they installed Biden and his corrupt administration and what came after that-20+ illegals causing death and destruction to many others and the collapse of a civil society in many cities.
So how do at least 100,000 copies of this article and the truth about 1/6 get to President Trump?
or
PT could just sit down with Sundance for 1 hour and he would learn more in that hour than any 8 hour meeting with Moe, Larry or Curly.
There is a reason there are such pointed attempts to remove Tulsi Gabbard. She is making all the right people squirm.
I keep sending up prayers for her safety and determination.
🎯
To me, this is the crux of the matter. The Establishment UniParty and the various supporting institutions(FBI, CIA, Media, state governments, etc did not want President Trump and the MAGA movement to win the election.
They had to know that “the motion to challenge “ during the certification process had merit and could be successful. This then, I would guess, would require investigation into the Most Secure Election Ever.
Evidence of a corrupt 2020 election continues to drip, drip drip out, but still doesn’t get any legs-At This Point What Difference Does It Make.
State governments and election officials were in on it as well-I give you Georgia as a prime example. In spite of all the evidence that wouldn’t be investigated our Governor, SOS, AG, county election officials all said that it was a secure election and Biden won.
And, you can quickly see the many turn coat so-called Republicans who were in on it and/ or knew came out making comments that Trump created an insurrection greater than 9/11, Pearl Hard or, the Civil War- McConnell, Graham and so many more.
The Root Cause of J6 was the Establishment and all that were connected did not want the people to interfere with their governance and self interest by voting change.
Sorry, this whole episode in our country’s history is just too disgusting for words IMHO.
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The question I have always had is why did the Trump team think it was a good idea to have a rally in DC?
I’m not that smart, but I immediately thought, please don’t.it’s a trap on the enemies home field.
If there had been no rally, it could not have been manipulated to impale Trump.
They are doing it again with the Ukraine war. The USA is bankrupt and can’t afford 800 bases around the world.
No more wars for the deep state.
Trump team was sabotaged and played so many times, like the covid lockdown and all its damage.
Dr Scott Atlas and Prof John Ioannidis,the Great Barrington Declaration signatories, didn’t agree with lockdowns. Sweden didn’t lock down. Policy was being driven by profit and control motives. Everybody that cashed in must have all their stolen loot confiscated.
I remember Trump saying on camera that the cure should not be worse than the disease.
The cure was 10/100 times worse.
Where is Kash Patel on these ”honorable rank and file”? Working out in Vegas, eating out at fancy DC restaurants?
He should be having box lunches until all the deep state FBI are fired and banned from any future employment in any government agency.I know Trump can’t know or do everything. There are still malicious actors in the admin.
Please don’t investigate the 274 and run the clock out and keep it all a secret ”cus it’s under investigation”
The blonde press secretary is great, the blonde AT is not.Try harder stay off of FOX channel.
“… why did the Trump team think it was a good idea to have a rally in DC?”
IMHO he thought a massive show of support would give congress the courage to force investigations into what he called “voting irregularities”.
Even after 4 years he still didn’t accept the reality of the level of DC corruption.
I think it has been, generally, a positive for US citizens that bite me was installed. Yes, there have been major problems that have affected a lot of people. But, for me, the positives of now being able to see just how utterly corrupt the gubmint is at ALL levels has been the most important thing. The corruption is WAY beyond anything I could have imagined. The problem now is, how to resolve all this?
This was very very enlightened! I probably missed it along the way. What prevented the two reps from introducing their request when the House went back into a new session later?
Patel has now had eight months to figure all this stuff out. You mean to tell me you can’t find who was assigned where on that day. Give me a break. Patel is a wooden knife and Trump better hold his feet to the fire or kick him out.
Next question: Who ordered those agents there, in the first place.
SWAT would be sent to “quell” a riot like that, not plain clothes people sprinkled all over such a massive crowd.
Communists do the same things over and over again. They love the Jacobin Model employed during the French Revolution in which Agents Provocateurs slipped into the crowds to incite them to violence, to justify a crackdown.
The ‘Why?’ is simple as that, send in FBI agents who pretend to be demonstrators. They try to provoke those around them to violence, to justify a government crackdown.
The shootings around the country are again committed for many reasons, one among them in hope of provoking ‘the right’, whatever that is, into a violent retaliation so they can then whine like ‘Victims!’ to their sympatico authorities in hope of creating martial law.
They’re so tiresome, once you know their imbecilic, arrested development tactics, you know them forever.
The Left is hate. Revenge is its pastime. Genocide is its legacy.
There’s an old joke about recent meetings of subversive groups: in a group of a dozen, ten are FBI agents and the remaining two are state police.
As scheming, conniving, and corrupt as the steal was. Along with the fib’s (other agencies) provocateurs & our dirty politicians on both sides with TDS. President Trump would have been stonewalled by a dem Congress.
The demonic influence in DC meant the entire charade for bad & by the grace of God, it has been turned to good. Look at all the great things being accomplished with much more to come!
Kash Patel claims the “plain clothes” FBI agents were only deployed after the riots began.
Patel now has zero credibility with me.
What Patel is stating is true if he is only reporting on what the released FBI 50 page report (that Sundance included link above shows) states.
wray question 1 , were you just doing your job when trying to overthrow the election of 2020….
Well now, I took the time to wade through that FBI 50 page report and I don’t see a single mention of undercover agents. There were 274 personnel called into or utilized by the Washington Field Office in the afternoon and evening on January 6th. Some agents and teams of agents were sent to the capitol and grounds as backup to the Metro and Capitol police in the afternoon of the 6th.
Most of the agent complaints in the reports were about being sent with only their hand gun, but not helmets, shields, or riot gear while standing behind the police.
This is not to say that the FBI did not have undercover agents embedded in the crowd, only to state where the 274 FBI personnel figure comes from and that no undercover agents are mentioned or accounted for.
This is a wee bit different than the story of 274 “undercover agents”.
WHO WERE TJE AGENTS STANDING TJERE WHEN SHE GOT SHOT
Good question.
I don’t know for sure. I thought they were capitol police
Just remember, God appoints our rulers. If President Trump had served 8 continuous years, we (the average person) would never know about how bad the deep state is and how far it spreads.
God allowed the 2020 election to be stolen for a reason. He spared Trump from an assassin’s bullet for a reason. He allowed Charlie Kirk’s assassination for a reason.
God’s plan is always good, even when we can’t see or understand it. What Satan means for evil, God uses for good.
Pray for repentance and revival. 🙏
Fruit of the poisonous tree, indeed!
Here we are, in late September of 2025, nearly 5 years later and some in DC have decided to look into an election that produced terrible consequences for our entire Republic. Most of the assholes who perpetrated the “J6 insurrection” were top officials of the tiny elected segment of our Government. No one will likely ever be prosecuted because the people responsible would be the prosecution. We are watching a bunch of puppies chasing their own tails.
The only thing that can be done for the victims of that hoax will be to make sure such crap never happens again, ever! The travesty is that we ever let this happen without at least 200 million of us showing up with pitchforks that day. We lost our free Republic in November of 2020 and I doubt we will ever get it back. Free and fair elections are the only way a Republic can survive. The ‘woken’ are the ‘useful idiots’ of the Communist insurrection we are fighting. I have no confidence that we can rid ourselves of useful idiots. They have always been a very large percentage of every population.
You already are in the process.
I think the third sentence from the end of my comment pretty much says that. No?
If the FBI was doing nothing wrong by putting agents into the crowd, why didn’t they just admit it right away? Why not release the video footage? Kash?
Good point. If it was so heroic and noble, please share your work with the entire class.
btw, not only will these new FBI numbers also prove to be lowballed, there was no doubt the entire alphabet soup there, including DHS, State, MI-6, DOJ, IRS, CIA etc, in addition to ANTIFA false flaggers and AZOV NAZIS from our pal Z-Bag, financed by our own looted tax dollars.
Why were they standing their as the window was broken and a girl was pushed thru it to be shot.
Who were they. What were they
They had swat gear on and rifles
‘there’, not ‘their’. However, your questions are spot on except for the missing question marks.
It is obvious that, at the time, the dims understood Robert’s Rules of Order much better than the Rs and were a hell of a lot more devious than anyone imagined. Apparently, NO ONE anticipated the resistance of the dims to what was coming. Doesn’t speak well for a whole bunch of people.
Pence
I have the feeling that the reason there were so many fbi agents in the crowd was to be able to conduct the “insurrection” and “crisis” by themselves in the event the MAGA attendees did not participate in the protest. Had no MAGA participated, I wonder how many people would have been shot?
MAGA did not participate which is why they had to open the doors and invite them in.
To MANY of us… January 6th smelled IMMEDIATELY of a Reichstag Fire, Democrat edition.
Hopefully the truth will out for everybody, even those hiding their head in the sand of willful ignorance.
What happened on January 6th was indeed treasonous, and deserving of the most drastic form of punishment legally possible.
The traitors were those invoking “insurrection” as an excuse to suffocate the MAGA movement and the substantial MAGA wing of the Republican Party.
Will there be JUSTICE?
Sundance, you are a treasure. Thank you.
It might just be that the FBI as currently constituted will die a death of a thousand cuts as each field office and central office will be slowly forced out in the next year or two, replaced by personnel much more committed to upholding the rule of law and normal investigative practices. I could also see the FBI devolving into just a forensics operation with DHS forming a new federal law enforcement agency in its stead.
IMESHO, that picture of Nasty and Moscow Mitch expresses the essence of evil in Congress, and I hope that the truth behind the J6 travesty finally is revealed. The public deserves to know what was planned to circumvent what should ave ocurred.
Sundance, please continue to investigate and expose the facts about that day.
After the plandemic started the CCP accused the US ‘capitalist’ CIA of planting the virus in a Wuhan wet market. (yeah, right). I figured it was a deliberate release from the Wuhan biolab. The problem with that is why would they just shove it out the back door of the lab and not at least truck it in a delivery van to the next town over to at least gain some plausible deniability. Apart from the fact they would be shooting themselves in the foot. But the accidental release theory, the problem with that is the timing was just a little too precise. It’s possible but not very likely to be that lucky for the Chinese. So the original statements by the CCP would seem most likely after all. Maybe it wasn’t lame Chinese propaganda after all according to occams shaving cream. The plandemic is what gave us drop boxes which gave us January 6th in the first place. Release the US made virus in Wuhan, the city with a bioweapon lab and watch the woke right conspiracy theorists fill in the banks so the whole idea seemed like our own. Like seducing a girl in a way that she thinks that she is the one seducing you.
If you re-read (or read for the first time) the addendum SUNDANCE wrote to regitiger’s original post you will find this sentence:
The Hail Mary effort was doomed to fail; yet the American people would have heard hours of debate related to provable election fraud over the course of the day.
The most important three words in the above sentence is: “doomed to fail.” Why are these the most important words? Because even if there was no riot, and no pipe bombs, Joe Biden’s election was going to be certified that day for all the reasons I stated throughout this thread:
The Electoral Count Act’s ONE HOUSE RULE that states:
IF one house of Congress votes for the Certificate of Ascertainment filed by a state’s governor and sent to the President of the Senate prior to January 6th will be the votes certified. And in the case of January 6, 2021, all 50 states’ Certificates of Ascertainment designated Biden the winner of the state’s Electoral Votes. Just as I told you all along. The effort by these GOP Senators and Representatives was, as Sundance said, “doomed to failure.”
Now, we have that out of the way. So what do we have left? Well, we have Mitch McConnell using the legal term “insurrection” right off the bat as Sundance himself so states:
Roughly six hours later, McConnell got his way. Cowed by the crowd of largely peaceful Americans allowed into the building by Capitol police, most Republican senators backed off the audit proposal. McConnell, echoing hyperbolic talking points about an “insurrection” seeded earlier in the day by Democratic lawmakers and the news media, gloated. “They tried to disrupt our democracy,” he declared on the Senate floor after Congress reconvened around 8 p.m. “This failed attempt to obstruct Congress, this failed insurrection, only underscores how crucial the task before us is for our Republic.”
We have a clue here about how McConnell and his friends shut down the debate over the proposed 10 days of delay: Striking fear into Republicans (which has NEVER been a difficult task for Democrats) to drop the five planned debates over the 10 days of delay proposal. Not that millions of Americans would spend time listening to those debates. Many in here did not even know two such debates took place.
The application of the allegation of INSURRECTION had to be created, as I pointed before in earlier posts. The ability to accuse REPUBLICANS IN CONGRESS OF INSURRECTION had to be accomplished by either the pipe bombs or the riot or both. It works like this:
IF you were active in trying to secure debates for the 10 days of delay in the work of the Joint Session to certify Biden’s election
THEN you automatically become a SUSPECT in the plot to launch the insurrection.
This is a clue as to why certain “sitting Senators” had their telephone records subpoenaed by Jack Smith. This also gives us a clue as to why Smith did not charge Trump with violating the Rebellion and Insurrection Act, but with formulating a type of confidence scheme to hijack the Electoral Vote Count with no GOP lawmakers charged. Smith was looking for verification that there were many telephonic communications with Senators like Johnson, who was part of the effort behind the Swing State Objections. Smith was looking for a way to create a sweeping Insurrection plot between Trump and his White House staff, his reelection staff and certain Senators/Representatives. GOP Senators and House members who originally supported the Objections, backed off to avoid becoming targets of any future criminal investigations once Biden inevitably became President, according to Sundance’s words, “doomed to failure,” as noted above.
By the way, no proxy voting was allowed on objections. The Electoral Count Act contains all applicable procedures for the Electoral Count. No proclamation about “parliamentary procedures” can AMEND A STATUTE PASSED BY CONGRESS. All the procedures are STATUTORIAL and not subject to change by any other means than proposing amendments to the statute, both houses of Congress passing the bill amending the statute, and the President signing in agreement.
No proxy voting:
AI Overview
No, congressional leadership did not change the rules to allow proxy voting for the specific votes on objections to the electoral certificates on January 6, 2021. The vote was a roll call vote requiring members to be physically present in the Capitol to cast their vote.
Key details about the voting rules on January 6, 2021:
House of Representatives: Proxy voting was allowed in the House during the COVID-19 pandemic, but the rule did not apply to the votes on objections to the electoral certificates. These specific votes were treated differently and required in-person participation.Senate: The Senate has never allowed proxy voting for votes on the floor. Senators have always been required to vote in person on the chamber floor.In-person voting on objections: The votes on objections to the electoral certificates, such as those for Arizona and Pennsylvania, proceeded as traditional roll call votes in both chambers, and members who participated had to be present to vote.
Go to the link to the video of the debate on Objection of the Arizona vote to see the ROLL CALL VOTE.
There were not “Special Emergency Rule Changes.”