Secretary of State Marco Rubio met with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov on the sidelines of a meeting of foreign ministers from the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) in Kuala Lumpur today. Against the backdrop of multiple questions to him about the outcome of their discussion, let us first discuss the problem being avoided.
In the mind of President Putin, and in the growing awareness of the American electorate, the President of the United States does not control the Intelligence Community. It is entirely possible for the USIC to take America deeper toward war despite the President and people of America not wanting that to happen. Putin is simply prepared for that outcome.
This reality explains a dynamic where President Trump engages with President Putin in an effort to stop the war in Ukraine, yet President Putin continues the war in Ukraine; because ultimately he knows President Trump does not control the elements that facilitate the Ukraine military.
People struggle to accept this dynamic. However, I would remind everyone that right now YOU are paying for the entire government of Ukraine to exist. Including the Ukraine govt payrolls, retirement benefits, healthcare and operational budget of Ukraine overall.
Americans do not want to pay for that. President Trump does not want to pay for that. Yet, here we are, paying for that.
The same inertia process applies to the literal Ukraine war and conflict with Russia.
You might not want it. President Trump might not want it. Yet, here again we are providing weapons, intelligence, satellite communication, personnel and systems for the war.
This is the reality of the situation regardless of your/my willingness to accept it. This reality is what President Vladimir Putin discusses and accepts.
The problem for President Trump is not that this reality exists; the bigger political problem for President Trump is that people are increasingly becoming aware of this reality.
Now, many people are recently arguing against this reality. However, these are the same voices who previously stated President Trump could unilaterally declassify information within the same silo process that is designed to control his declassification authority. Empirically, and in reality, these voices are wrong.
Something needs to change. That something is generally that President Trump has to either: 1. admit publicly he does not control the U.S. Intelligence Community (very ugly); or 2. take control of that intelligence community (even uglier).
In this element of consideration you would be well served to insert the recent experience of Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard; who, intentionally or not, opened the pandora’s box containing this issue, and look what happened to her.
There was a reason DNI Tulsi Gabbard sat silently recently in the very public Cabinet meeting. I will return to this in a moment.
[SIDE NOTE: Those who deny this reality are likely of a disposition that reconciled advice by those who said COVID-19 virus could attack you standing standing at a bar, but would not approach you sitting down. The COVID virus would attack you in the paint section at WalMart, but not in the grocery aisles, etc.
Every COVID-19 mitigation pronouncement was ridiculously silly, yet people not only believed it, they followed it. The non-pretending tribe did not. For whatever reason you might attribute, the reality of that COVID-19 experience highlighted that the non-pretending tribe within American is in the minority. The pretenders included politicians, healthcare workers, most doctors, police, law enforcement and most Americans (70% vaccinated). END NOTE]
♦ President Trump does not have control over the USIC activity in Ukraine. If he did, he would have been fully aware of the drone strikes against the Russian strategic bomber fleet before it was carried out. By his own admission he did not know.
Prior to the increased attacks, Russian President Vladimir Putin correctly noted that Ukraine does not have the military capability, the satellite communication and guidance systems to continue carrying out strikes deep into Russia. Therefore, from the perspective of Putin, as these strikes continued they were facilitated by NATO. Ergo, NATO was factually attacking Russia, albeit using Ukraine as the proxy for it. Again, Putin with clear eyes on reality.
Into this pretending/non-pretending world, in a remarkable statement of candor we also saw Secretary of State Marco Rubio accurately -and honestly- say five months ago the Ukraine conflict was a proxy war for the USA against Russia.
Now, fast forward to today. The reality is the proxy war, Rubio outlined so eloquently, continues. Simultaneously, neither he nor President Trump has any control over the USIC that is carrying it out. Yet, Secretary Rubio has to sit down with Foreign Minister Lavrov and either (a) be honest, or (b) pretend.
Following the meeting, here is Rubio’s remarks. You decide:
[Rubio brought up a good point. Germany, UK, France and Spain all have Patriot battery’s they can spare. However, they are refusing to give them to Ukraine. I wonder why.]
Back to the point – Again, President Trump and Secretary Rubio seem to have two options: 1. Admit their lack of control, or 2. Take control.
♦ The first option is obviously the easiest, admit the President of the United States does not have full control over the U.S. Intelligence Community. However, that comes with severe ramifications.
Flip it. Look at the dynamic from the outside. Imagine Emmanuel Macron or Abdel Fattah al-Sisi saying they no longer have operational control over their intelligence agencies, and those agencies have gone rogue. What would you think of France or Egypt?
Now imagine if the President of the USA made such a statement. How would the world react? What would happen to the dollar? How weak would President Trump look?
Thus, there is extreme pressure to maintain a premise.
Think about the recent experience of DNI Gabbard, and accept those types of consequences are exactly what the USIC rely upon to maintain their power and control. Open, even briefly, the Pandora’s Box that hides reality and massive alarms are immediately triggered to isolate, ridicule and marginalize the truth teller.
The people around President Trump have a vested interest in keeping that Pandora’s Box closed. Which brings us to the second option…. ‘Take control.’
♦ Factually, no one knows what “taking control” would look like.
Who exactly would enforce compliance and bring the USIC to heel? Tulsi was burned just nibbling around the edge of it. What would be the reaction from the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, and more importantly what would be the response from the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence; ironically the former silo chaired by Rubio.
Would President Donald Trump reach the same fate as President John F Kennedy? Perhaps not, if a very public process was instituted where President Trump said exactly what the situation was. However, that approach simply goes back to point #1.
See the problem?
Let’s talk about Tulsi Gabbard’s silence at the cabinet meeting, and role play for a moment as a Gordian Knot cutter.
Imagine a journalist who says: “Mr. President, thank you for the transparency you provide in allowing us to be with you and your cabinet during these meetings. If I may ask a question with a brief follow up?”
Question: “Mr President, do you feel you have full control over the intelligence agencies of our government?“
[Anticipated Response]: “I think so, at least I would hope that is the case” (or something similar).
Question: “Thank you. With that in mind, what specifically provides you with the sense of assurance you do have full control over the USIC?” … AND… “Would you also permit DNI Tulsi Gabbard to answer that question?“
Imagine what would follow that brief line of questioning. If the imaginary journalist were so inclined, he/she could also follow up with simple examples, like President Trump having no prior knowledge of the Ukraine drone strikes into Russia etc.
My point is that absent of President Trump taking some action that begins the process -against the interests and advice of his protective advisors- it is going to take an external element in this dynamic to trigger a change in the situation; for better, for uglier, or for worse.
The people around the office of the President are not going to want to touch this issue…
….Just ask Tulsi.
Are there some employee names that can be shared of the intelligence silo?
Do we not control payroll?
NO.
The Congress Controls the Authorization of Funds for the “classified payroll” defined by the INTEL Community.
There are several lists of “classified” payrolls … 1 per silo.
Congress can even assist by mandating via LAW, how the payrolls are defined and composed. The Senate and House INTEL Committees are the legislative gate keepers.
JD Vance, Rubio, Ratcliff, Noem and Tulsi … ALL know this from the days of being members of the “legislative gate keeper” class.
Then it stands to reason those you mention would have the best ideas of how to begin dismantling it.
Because, no matter what greatness POTUS manages to achieve for the American people, we are still sleep walking to our end.
Surely there is some leverage to use to get congress to pass a law against their existence and designate them as the treasonous terrorists that they are. If only we had some of those missing files.
See below.
I suggest that IF President Trump has “control” of DoD and (I’ll add) the State Department, he can use these to wreck the INTEL Communities access, logistics, contacts and even legitimacy. Essentially force the operators associated with “wrecked” operations into becoming a stateless rogues. Also, try to slowly siphon off authority and responsibility.
Do all the wrecking and siphoning in PUBLIC.
This would be another very risky option … heck they are all going to be fraught with risk and very real danger because of the money, damaging information involved and out right evil people involved.
Any option at this point is going to risk, blackmail, ugly headlines, run into Congressional Resistance, et al … but it is another path … one I believe already started with the multiple hats worn by Rubio and Gabbard. Now DoD will have to joint the mix.
If President Trump is willing to basically IGNORE anything that happened before 20 January 2025, allot of DoJ would probably fall in line as well.
He needs to win over and BUY OFF the other parts of the Executive Branch of the Government.
“If President Trump is willing to basically IGNORE anything that happened before 20 January 2025, allot of DoJ would probably fall in line as well.
He needs to win over and BUY OFF the other parts of the Executive Branch of the Government.”
Gandalf to Sauruman
” Sauron does not share power”
All of DC, all the 3 letter agencies are Mordor on the Potomac. Hundreds of thousands of employees, 90 plus percent democrats.
Look at the EPA, another 144 just exposed and outed.
The DS still controls the DOJ, and so ” No reasonable prosecution happens”
Your suggestion to forgive the past to move forward is interesting, and outwardly reflected in dropping the Epstein files, which if we had a real DOJ would be foolish.
Trump hinted at protecting innocents as an excuse. Perhaps Epstein was used to frame many. Building a web of blackmail to control politicians does not exclude, and can include falsely framing others to expand leverage. The two, legitimate blackmail and framed blackmail are orthogonal.
I just don’t see how the approach would work.
One would need a real DOJ. The CIA is not the only 3 letter agency with mostly DS.
DC is Mordor on the Potomac.
Rumor has it, these people sell drugs (Mena AR?) They don’t need our votes nor our dollars although they will utilize any resources they can control
They sell a lot more than drugs.
Good point
The worst are pro abky paid off books but without the pencil pushers it shuts down
You all ready for WWIII–I’m not, but do feel a bit safer here then where I was in a way. Forgot about my proximity to one of the largest air force bases …Hmmm
Would not forcing the Epstein files into the open provide a window to attack the DS? It feels like they are being protected, yet I know they hate Trump deeply, and he has ventured where needed many times. Color me confused.
Only going after them CUA DOJ for perjury, when obvious sedition was on the table is weak tea at best.
So apparently the DS is still deep in the DOJ and all 3 letter agencies. ( For instance some 144 EPA employees were just self outed and released)
What happened to Tulsi, I missed that post?
This was one of the motives for 1963 as well.
War makes a lot of money for certain interests.
The first priority should be to IDENTIFY every CIA (and aligned) agent in Ukraine and recall them home. If they don’t evacuate, treat them as AWOL and send military assets to remove them (with prejudice).
The state dept, cia, usaid, and the other clandestine agencies conduct coups, replace democratically elected governments and create chaos on unsuspecting populations worldwide.
What happens to America if these people are recalled stateside?
We arrest them and throw them in jail. I can think of more than a few rednecks who would help with this.
See my comment just above.
The DOJ is yet DS as well, thus no reasonable prosecution happens
I image a lot of this is off the books contract work. Plausible deniability by the people who invented the term.
This. “Assets” are not necessarily employed by the “firm”, or even on a direct payroll chain.
If it were that easy to just identify and “roll up” all the IC operatives the US has deployed, then our adversaries would eventually be able to do the exact same thing.
The closest that happened in recent years is when Hillary Clinton left a partial list of local assets in China exposed in her unsecured server. The Chinese eventually got it. They were all rounded up and killed.
The organizational defenses against that foreign risk has been a double-edged sword.
Even saying this publicly would accomplish much. But he would need a plan for what comes next.
There is only one solution that will satisfy the American public and that is to take control of the IC.
I realize what that means, and could mean. Either way, we are going to war.
We go to war because we have to pretend it’s not happening.
Or we go to war because we have to stop what’s happening.
My hope and prayer is that the closest people in Trump’s circle (not the public one) have been preparing for this very thing for almost a decade, and that they have a plan. If not, then Godspeed to all of us.
I want to know WHO CONTROLS THE CIA’s and INTEL AGENCIES?
Foreign powers?
Bankers?????????????
The Crown, Rothchilds, The Vatican. For starters. I am going to bet the R is above the C & V on the flow chart.
It will only happen if we allow it to happen – somehow I think 300,000 people can shut this down.
See Whitney Webb channel on youtube. Her research reveals the who, what and why about what is going on. It’s amazing. There are mob connections, drug money laundered thru banks, it goes on and on. We have no idea how corrupt our government is, it is truly hard to hear.
Many of us have been wondering who and what entity is really controlling the country and after listening to Whitney I think I’ve found out who it is.
I don’t find a channel under her name. Is she using another channel title? Thx
You will have to do the research, as I am only trying to help ya find something you asked about.
I have no more knowledge of this “whitney” person, just trying to help ya find more.
Looking from here ( below link) may help.:
https://x.com/_whitneywebb
G’Luck~! & GOD Bless ya~!
🙂
She wrote a two volume opus called: One Nation under Blackmail.
I suggest you start there.
I always think of that scene in the godfather of Micheal and Kay walking down the street discussing “legitimate” business. lol
All the answers are in the godfather. 😉
Global Investment Banks- primary leaders, followed closely by major multinational corporations.
The IC is self funding through drug and human trafficking and layers of shell corporations, the aforementioned banks, for example.
Being that President Trump understands Economic Security is National Security, the Blob knows it cannot best him on economics. So their plan B is drag us into war against our will, setting President Trump up as being a liar, dividing the country and killing more of our next generation.
My God, the depths these people are willing to go to for Trillions At Stake.. 😫
The only thing I know to do is pray fervently for God to render their plans useless. How that takes place is likely to be wild. Who knows?
He saved President Trump’s life for a reason. Giving up is not an option.
Whoever controls/owns the Bank of international Settlement’s in Switzerland is running the globalists and the IC
They are the same people who gutted Credit Swiss in 2 weeks.
Before it is over UBS will be the only bank in Europe. The US will be divided into quarters.
JPMorganChase NE
Regions SE
BankOfAm SW
WellsFargo NW
So it is rumored.
Don’t forget the various Central banks (ie. Fed Reserve, etc.), and the International Monetary Fund, as well as orgs like Council on Foreign Relations, US Chamber of Commerce, National Assoc. of Manufacturers, etc.
Most, if not all, have been captured by the Blob.
Q: At what point did the IC take control of the WEF? Because it most surely did.
Jesus, take the wheel 🙏🏻
Right Betsy???
Just said to myself, Man oh man, how deep down does this go, and for how long? I keep thinking of all these events and coincidences in our history that are clearly NOT coincidences, and more like planned events. So back to your comment/request my friend, Jesus, take the wheel. We could use the navigational/spiritual help for sure!
I expounded just below, Unicorn…
Absolutely, Betsy. And we need always to remember and never forget – Jesus is in the driver’s seat, always. 🇺🇸✝︎
Sis, dear lady and friend, my view is that we are not going to war. We are immersed in multiple wars at this moment…
This hideous self serving proxy war in Ukraine.
What I would describe as a Civil War here, very probably one with the full backing of the IC.
And finally the spiritual war which only those who have discernment understand.
And here we all sit, knowing it and knowing what it will take to, as Sundance so rightly says, cut through the Gordian Knot. I, along with everyone else who sees and understands, pray that His will, merciful we implore Him, will be made manifest through Donald Trump and others nearest to him who as we do see the unmitigated, unfathomable evil which has for longer than any of us realized been at work…and only now can be seen in the full glare of sunlight.
When I said above “Jesus, take the wheel”, it is because as I read and assimilated above and all Sundance has previously dissected, I suddenly admitted that ultimately the Power which is Christ our Lord is where we must always place our faith, however/whenever He chooses to use it…and through whom He has anointed for this time.
So again I place this from Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn. Because as we scan the lay of the land as it is and not as we would fervently wish it to be, we choose the side of rightgeousness, pray for God’s grace, and pray for the man who cast a life of luxury aside (again) to stand exposed as he seeks to wield that sword against that grotesque evil operating within…
May Almighty God guide and strengthen this man where He has planted him, for His purposes, according to His plan and His will..
Nothing to add to that, Betsy, but Amen.
Amen!
Thank you, Betsy!
Amen.
Presidents have been getting steamrolled by the IC since the 1950s. Kennedy and Nixon are only the two most severe examples of takedowns when threatened.
Their operators and teams are so nebulous, so unstructured and so compartmentalized at certain levels, that not even IC leadership can fully control them sometimes. Even past bad actor leadership like John Brennan can’t control certain elements.
We have Truman to thank for fully unleashing them as accountable to no one, even though they were running amuck even before the end of WWII. Allen Dulles was able to control, create, and deflect national narratives by the early 1950s.
Ukraine is a CIA state.
The best that PDJT can try to do is deflect them, and try and work with them when possible, to cement as much of his broader agenda as possible, and hope for longer term atrophy in their opportunities, as compromising as that sounds.
Why do they want to take down Putin? What to do with Russia if they did take down Putin?
Seriously, no one has identified why it is important to the intel agencies to take down Putin. They were after him long before he invaded UKraine.
It was they who purposefly provoked him to go to war.
“Russian Man Bad”. For some of them, it’s as simple as that. Deeply ingrained reflexes from the Cold War.
For others, you’ll have to ask them.
Russia is a natural resource bonanza. So there are many interests that would love to control and fully exploit it.
From my conversations, the tentacles run everywhere, and also in reverse. Not just at CIA, but a few other competing departments and agencies, military and elsewhere. An imperial maelstrom.
Would they be so stupid as to think THEY could choose the next President of Russia should Putin drop dead or be killed?
And, rule Russia???? They could NEVER control the Russian people.
Why? Perhaps they cannot control him? In their desire to take out Putin they don’t seem to be seeing/understanding what comes after him. They tried to use Navalny and that failed miserably.. and for Navalny too. They think they can control Russia/the Russian people? Do they know that the “opposition” Putin faces in Russia is because he is too soft on Ukraine?
My take just above.
I believe it is because Putin hates the Globalists. That’s a no no for One World Order.
Indeed.
Soros has been at war with The Putin for some time. That is what produced the Panama Papers and then the other offshore parking list for the Caymans. I am going with Soros this question.
Putin is a major roadblock to the ultimate EU deep state. Whatever else he may be, he is an ardent nationalist who does not want to see his country subordinated and destroyed. Add this to the deepseated Russophobia in much of Europe (that was around long before the Soviet Union), and you get what we have today.
It’s always about 💰💵💰💵 & power.
Because Putin is a nationalist.
The globalists were fine with Gorbechev, but Russia took a nationalist turn when Yeltsen came to power.
NATO started expanding eastward shortly after that.
Drunkard Yeltsen was not nationalist…but to end of his PRESIDENCY he seen mistakes what he done- cave to western looters of Russia- and he ask VVP to lead Russia…and he lead it well best since days of prime minister of STOLYPIN that’s cca 118 yrs….
. Oops
“Taking down Putin” is foolish. The Russians are not children. They have hardliners that would take over. Indeed, said hardliners are ready to take over when President Putin leaves office. They will not “play” this game.
President Trump is in a very difficult and extremely dangerous space right now.
We need to pray that there is not an event which precipitates a conflagration which cannot be extinguished.
Because of their independence.
Why did they do all possible to keep Trump and Russia apart? That is your answer in a word – independence.
The deep state has lost. Their own success has karmically doomed them. China was a pretend partner. When evil gains power, whom is to really rule always manifests. The only question is how much harm they can do on the way out. ( Tge bad news is that destruction is their forte, the good news is they have lost, it will just take time, courage, fearlessnes, and. Prayer.
They also believe he betrayed Bolshevism.
How can I learn more about Ukraine being a CIA state?
Deep dive into the events preceding and during 2014 in that country for some clues.
This series is a good place to start. Watch on high speed, because it is kinda long. Do some searches about USAID and how they work, SD has done some articles here, and there are people like Mike Benz. He has done some interviews w/various people explaining how it all works, the earlier ones, from at least a year ago. Read up on the marvelous Wimsey, that would be Senator Lindsey Graham, he has quite the history w/Ukraine. Or just believe us and save yourself some time. LOL! It isn’t just Ukraine either, they have their dirty claws in many countries, look up Color Revolutions.
It’s amazing the number of people who openly state the IC community is corrupt and needs to be either eliminated or reformed; it’s mostly that no one has a plan to affect either change effectively.
My vote is with you – we need to take control of it, but it’s like a Hydra – how do you cut the head off of the beast without being killed before accomplishing the deed?
Why did they even let Trump win?
They did not.
Amen to That!
We either “hang” separately or we “hang” together.
And as you so perfectly put it. We are already at war.
The pretending is over!
Flip the Switch and let’s get this done. We ain’t getting any younger and more importantly nor are our kids and grandkids.
3rd and most likely option. continue to pretend
Pretending, as you have stated many times, Sundance, has to stop.
The waters now are very dangerous.
I remember in elementary school, drilling for that ‘external element.’ Except they didn’t call it that, then
Clusterfrick. All I know is to pray.
Okay I concur BUT.
There is a quick and easy solution. Without fanfare declare end of military support to CIA operations. Deny Satelite support to all but spaceforce. SHUT IT DOWN CIA counts on our arms and allies arms being available to them make them unavailable at the sources military guard Lock and Key.
Anyone caught supporting military operations not ordered by the CIC goes to military tribunal secret trials secret courts IF any one is found innocent they are restrained from talking about it for 50 years
F The CIA F them hard keep the preasure on and don’t let up.
THIS IS A ONE WAY ACTION no looking back no negotiation take it to the people so they understand you need to put.the military back into civilian control.
This will be a tipping point.live free or live an illusion of freedom
I think Trump believes any strong move by him against them will do him in. Dems will gladly join with neo-cons to remove him from office.
A propaganda war such as we’ve never seen will use IT to put out fake pics of Trump doing God knows what.
Trump knows to what lengths they will go.
‘lengths they will go’…they tried, twice that we know of…that we know of.
I cannot help but wonder what is weighing so heavy on his mind. I saw one very recent video where he looks like he has aged 10 years overnight.
Not sure how that would work when the CIA and other intel agencies have self-funding mechanisms that are not dependent on the vagaries of Congressional funding. Ditto arms dealers and mercenaries with all kinds of military spec hardware.
If there were to be any measure of success one needs trusted allies that can assist with ending all those black ops with combined operations. Ones that we share common cause with. Problem is as soon as we propose this to the obvious first choice never mind others, everything goes sideways. The power brokers are perfecting willing to rule over ashes.
I am kinda wondering if Putin is waiting for the right quiet conversation to get to the root of the problem and eventually a path to resolve it. It was not a spur of the moment idea to run with all the Russia, Russia, Russia business fpr the last several years, it was deliberate move to keep them from working together more closely.
How are they “self funding”?
Stop the CIA payroll.
Has it not occurred to you that the CIA among others runs much of the international drug trade and human trafficking business?
Drug running, gun running, insider trading.
CIA funds themselves like any other crime syndicate.
Getting rid of all those ic council members was a good first step, but much more needs to be done.
Yes, a first step. The road ahead is going to be a long slog and we are in need of patriots with steely grit.
The faint of heart need not apply.
Stop the CIA payroll.
Agree – I’m on board.
The solution is to eliminate all of the people involved with nefarious purposes by downsizing the government to “save the people money”. The side you err on is cutting too deeply. The bad guys have to be removed from government.
That was extremely interesting and informative.
IMO it does appear that we are headed for a major escalation in the conflict.
Why would Putin stop now..President Trump as it pertains to military conflicts appears to be impotent.
Russia has many allies around the world, and an extremely powerful and patriotic military.
Seriously who is going to stop Putin..personally and crazy as it may sound has all the cards.
This may be one of the reasons President Trump IMO snapped inappropriately at the Epstein question the other day.
It is a good idea to keep my expectations low..
Putin has no where near President Trumps business acumen, but when it comes to skullduggery and war ( including poisoning) adversaries. See London and the Plutonium.
He has the entire west beaten.
Amazing times.
Reports are that Russia produces in excess
of a thousand drones-a day.
A few days ago it was 500 drones along with
a few missiles….then a day or two later another
700+ drones from Russia into Ukraine.
It has been stated more than twice….Russia
produces three times more arms/ammunition
than the West (including US) does in a year.
Ukraine has a severe manpower/troop shortage.
No arms/ammo
No troops
It is over.
The problem is that the loser….Zelensky and EU…
are idiots who think that the loser gets to determine
the terms….🤷♀️
Clarification……
Russia produces more in three months
than the West produces in a year.
Even Rutte(NATO ) did admit it….
They’ll attempt to officially deploy NATO troops which of course means US military.
POTUS has no reason to comply with that. “My hands are tied unless/until CONgress declares war.”
Let’s see if the CONgress has the gonads to do just that.
gypsy… I think VVP would like finish war this summer ..he probably do not want last it more than 1941-1945 war..
Putin has a lot of males he doesn’t mind sacrificing for Mother Russia.
Trump does mind losing people to senselessness.
This situation is hardly “senseless” but a real threat.
Wrong. Zelenskyy has sacrificed over 3 armies by his Hitleresque no retreat military policy. Putin has exercised enormous military restraint in order to save Russian soldiers lives.
Putin is not Dzhugashvili…. although the hardliners in the civilian and military command structure are itching to lay waste to the Blue Skies and Golden Grains. All Russians are very much aware of the losses incurred (20 to 27 million dead, military and civilian; from a c. 1940 population of 194 million in the Soviet Union) during The Great Patriotic War.
From what I have seen, there is no way the West (including the US) can now win this war conventionally. Russian conventional weapons production levels are simply too far ahead.
That prospect is what makes this a very dangerous situation if escalated by the West.
Russia effectively won the conflict in the first three hours, and has enjoyed air superiority ever since. They have just slowly ground down the Ukrainians to minimize civilian casualties and damage.
They are still a nuclear superpower, and have advanced missile systems. Their hypersonics remain unstoppable.
Putin has already identified an existential redline, where he would resort to their entire arsenal in defense.
The bigger question is: Why does the American IC want to risk and provoke a strategic nuclear exchange?
“Their hypersonics remain unstoppable.”
The Russians are also accelerating their lead in this area, and publicly announcing it. They recently announced a new level of production line automation for Oreshniks and had previously announced progress on yet another generation of high-temperature materials for the penetrators. Their purpose is to signal that they are ready to defeat any escalation. The warmongering globalists, of course, aren’t listening. Maybe they think the Russians are lying, because it’s what they themselves do, and they project instead of rationally estimate.
I fully expect this to end with a hailstorm of Oreshniks collapsing every tunnel and bunker under City of London, Langley, the Pentagon, WEF hq, NATO hq, Blackrock hq and every other globalist or slave-of-globalist institution. It will be up to French, British, and American strategic forces officers to ensure that it doesn’t go nuclear.
“… and had previously announced progress on yet another generation of high-temperature materials for the penetrators.” They have been at the forefront of metallurgical technology for some time.
Agreed!
The “ dirt” on the U.S.A. and the E.U.
must really stink.
Do not underestimate business acumen of VVP..Russia doing relatively well despite all this f* idiotic sanctions….
I don’t..it was just Putin v President Trump
Cheers!
When you say, “That was extremely interesting and informative”, do you mean the Oliver Stone video??
Thnx
What are the options with say, in funding these agencies and their endeavors?
President Trump seems to be intentionally destroying our faith
in our government.
the Epstein fiasco being the latest example
this could be why
A definite tightrope being walked…..
and if a wrong step taken-that tightrope
could turn into a…… tripwire.
😳 🙏
I wonder if the Intel Agencies plan a techno war, one that will use Navy carriers for missiles, bombing raids by Air Force/Navy but NO ground troops.
Why? Because I really do not believe that the USA could get army recruits for land troops. I think the whole nation would say, “Hell, no.”
Viet Nam taught us about wars in foreign lands and domestic consciption. Iraq and Afghanistan taught us we were right about Nam. Ukraine?
If this morning I heard my country tell me Russia struck a US carrier, I probably would assume I was being lied to.
We don’t believe the Intel folks Period.
I won’t fight for Ukraine and I would do all I could to see to it youngsters didn’t either.
The nation already has ground troops. Replenishment is only a problem until the draft is dredged up.
Vietnam is the reason that we see very little if any Western TV coverage from the theater of operations.
We have a wonderful President telling us we are essentially stupid for wanting accountability with the Epstein IC operation and the very next day announcing more funding for Ukraine to continue the forever war. Very clear he may not be in charge.
The video of the President announcing more Ukraine aid during the cabinet meeting needs analysis. When the President announced the surprise aid Hegseth stays stoic while Ratcliffe has a visible orgasm. It really was a surreal sight.
Maybe President Trump has weighed this issue against the entire MAGA agenda and then looked at the calendar and realizes he has only 15 months left before 2026 Mid-Term elections….and knowing how too many self-absorbed, grifting Republicans in Congress are pissing off the voters, he knows the chances of getting a Democrat-controlled Congress are increasing by the month…
So from a priority perspective with limited time, PDJT probably doesn’t see the financial benefit for the country coming from Epstein Case drama…….
Sundance,
Thank You.
Thank you for the TRUTH and helping us understand, and also stand for Truth.
THE LORD GOD ALMIGHTY has given this job to you, BLESSINGS
THE LORD GOD ALMIGHTY has put President Trump in position….
We Appeal to Heaven!
There is nothing Impossible for THE LORD!
ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!
AMEN, AMEN, & AMEN
So Congress will write special legislation that summarily ends funding for all intelligence activity and defense spending, right? Right? No. Wrong. Dead wrong. The congressional woodpile is filled with pikers, liars, opportunists and greedy bastards who don’t give a damn about anything but themselves and their sick style of living. D(eath)C(ity) won’t be cleaned out until 10 or 20 million determined U.S. citizens march in and drive them all into the Potomac. Every. Last. One.
All of the most important U.S. government work is being handled by criminal felons.
Trump stands alone as an honest man in D.C. Prove me wrong.
this might shed some light on the conundrum: Macron briefs Zelenskyy after conversation with Putin
https://global.espreso.tv/macron-speaks-with-zelenskyy-after-putin-call
EDIT: The most important U.S. government work is being handled by murderers and thieves.
If the US is to continue to remain a Republic, then the USIC cannot control war. It must be demolished.
we are still US Corp…. on verge to became Constitutional Republic as we have been before 1871…..
Operating under Admiralty/Maritime law through the British Accreditation Registry, right? <sarc> 🙄
Catch 22…..
What I find interesting and disturbing is that President Trump is Not naive.
Perhaps President Trump,(with the assistance of certain team members), has planned and is implementing a solution to end the dark power and operations of the IC.
Surely he cannot tell the World what his plans are and he cannot announce one day that from this day forward the President of the United States will now control All Intelligence Matters in the Intelligence Community.
I expect that He will signal through his actions and actions of his cabinet on any and all intelligence matters.
We may not know how, when or where.
But I do find it extremely difficult to believe that HE is Not implementing His Plan for Control going forward.
He’s not naive? Why at every rally last year did he say he’s going to end the war and end it VERY QUICKLY? (Like within days)
Right
He is Not Naive.
He is very smart and knows more about the intelligence community than we can imagine.
It is his intention to stop all wars.
He has been doing just that:
However, as with tariffs he must be flexible to achieve the end goal.
My argument isn’t that he doesn’t want to stop wars. No doubt he does.
However if he truly “knows more about the intelligence community than we can imagine” as you stated then all the more reason that he should NEVER have repeatedly made the insane claim that he could end the Ukraine war and do it VERY QUICKLY (unlike Joe Biden, “who is a very stupid person”). Literal and undeniable naivety.
Q.E.D.
I disagree.
You really should go back in time and research Donald John Trump; it’s all there on YouTube; not to mention all the MSM written press and otherwise.
It’s quite obvious, you really have no idea who this man is and how his mind works.
Other than that; have a nice life.
Q.E.D.
Got it. Trump was right about everything. Enjoy your delusion.
Zelensky said no. Now that deals off the table. Shoulda took it.
Shortly before this war started there supposedly was the possibility that Zelensky might agree to a deal to avert war. If I recall correctly, Putin was demanding Ukraine not join NATO, that the Nazi Azov battalions be disbanded, and hands off the ethnic Russian areas in the east of Ukraine. Zelensky was reportedly considering accepting those terms, though I am not sure how accurate that reporting was. But then, literally in the middle of the night, Boris Johnson (then the UK PM) flew into Kiev and demanded that Zelensky not make any deal. Zelensky caved and refused to negotiate with Putin and shortly thereafter Putin started his “special military operation”.
And Zelensky has either been refusing to negotiate an end to the war or walking away from every negotiation ever since. Zelensky is nothing but a pawn. He is not in charge and never has been. Boris Johnson may be retired now, but it is his ilk among the globalist elite and deep staters in the EU/NATO capitals and DC who are still keeping it going. If they have anything to do with it, that war will go on for years to come.
As I recall, since that occurrence, it was lobiden ala the autopen, who directed Boris Johnson to do that.
I have not read the details and I do to have a link to that independent report, so you have every right to disregard this content, as not good enough.
President Trump is obviously a very smart and effective leader.
I do not believe there is anyone on the world stage more effective.
His intentions are genuine . His access to insider information is at the highest level and he has balls of steel.
He also has a finite amount of time to affect real change.
It just may be the case that he realizes that the best he can expect to accomplish, in some instances , is to lay the foundational groundwork for the next administration to build on.
He must pick battles where he can accomplish the most.
If he picks incorrectly the bad actors will surly pounce and destroy everything he is working so hard to accomplish.
Right now the swamp is playing a run out the clock game on every thing he is trying to accomplish.
The deep state ,media democrats and rinos sanctuary advocates, upper and lower education , labor unions ,and most of the treasonous judges our legal system is infected with.
I myself am amaze he is able to accomplish anything.
“Right now the swamp is playing a run out the clock game on every thing he is trying to accomplish.”
President Trump (I believe) fully understands this and is (or has been) developing a plan, a strategy, (if you will), that will counter that run around game.
In Time, President Trump will expose those who should be exposed for all the right reasons and he will achieve his goal by the end of this term, which will also give a solid foundation for those following in his footsteps.
That’s my stance on this issue.
If we continue to allow the IC to operate against the will of the President and of the People, then we’ve lost the country and will likely never rip it from their corrupt claws. Fight the bastards to the death if they appoint themselves more powerful than the President.
It just might come to that and I hope we all will be ready.
paying their budget = does that not make Ukraine vassal wagging USA suzerain?!
“In the mind of President Putin, and in the growing awareness of the American electorate, the President of the United States does not control the Intelligence Community.”
That is true in my mind. Rather, the “intelligence community” (whatever that is) controls politics, to its own ends.
Stop paying CIA.
You understand they have developed their own independent funding mechanisms?
As far as being dragged into a war by the IC …. this begs another assessment.
Just how much control does the President have over DoD??
If the President does control the DoD, the us of the DoD seems to be the one feasible way to wreck the US INTEL Community … at forcing it to go rogue, becoming vulnerable without Government Sanction. Granted this would not be without risk but it is a path.
SecDef Pete might agree.
People are slowly waking up to the fact that an international intelligence community controls the world for the benefit of their masters. They finance their illegal and immoral activities through sale of drugs, sex, gambling, etc. We are controlled by a worldwide organization that makes the Sicilian mafia look like altar boys.
Pedos.
I just want an arrest.
Those words might sound familiar to O.G. Treepers. But in this case, the similarity ends right there.
I think the US President should have at least ONE bad actor in the USIC arrested, tried, convicted and imprisoned. Seems like that “might” be happening with Comey and Brennan. Forgive me if I stopped believing in anything until it has actually happened. It’s actually pretty harmful to go through all of these hopeful/hopeless moments. I think watching the 2020 election theft was more than I could handle and felt like I was in some weird movie where sick fantasies of evil people become reality. Not a world I want to live in.
In any case, I want to see some USIC people locked away or even given the death penalty for their deeds. They need to know there is now a RISK in doing what they do.
We all want [an] arrest[s].
But, “they’re good people”…
And: Stop paying the rest. Give them no cover to operate as officials of the USA.
When in charge, be in charge. There is no other answer. As to taking control, I would think that would be right up the President’s alley. But if not, there are people who could advise him.
Why do I feel like this should have been dealt with in the 4 years leading up to 2024, November 5? We always seem to be playing defense.
Well now, who was in charge in that 2020-2024 period that would have “dealt” with this?
Continued questions about Epstein, “what, we are still talking about that?” Is good nibbling around the edges that might be like a burr in the saddle/pebble in the shoe for other things. And it opens the door. Ukraine and stuff is, “way over there” and not really affecting us. Epstein is closer to home and deals with many of the same silo stuff.
Each time this is repeated – that President Trump does not control the intelligence community – adds to the problem because it seeds into the subconscious mind the thought of failure, that there is nothing President Trump can do or is doing, which may indeed be completely incorrect. Makes a person wonder if the author has gone native and past time to return to base.
It shouldn’t. The truth often hurts, but it doesn’t mean failure is unavoidable.
Hard core prayer warriors need faith — which is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen. (Heb 11:1).
From the prespective of hope needed, maybe tune out from this thread and get alone with God to hear what He has to say about the situation at hand. After hearing from God, refuse to say or pray anything different. This is hard for Christians to do I admit. We have been programmed to speak facts; however, the Truth or Rhema word from God spoken in faith can override the facts.
Non hard core prayer warriors can ignore the above reply by me and carry on. Just need a few good men and women to turn this around. I hope no one is offended.
Great insight; can’t imagine anyone being offended.
We have between now and Monday, when President Trump just posted that on Monday he will be making a major announcement regarding Russia, for added clarity in our prayer work, including visualizing internally with healthy love that which we earnestly are praying for.
God’s grace be upon us all as it is His truth, His all knowingness, that is our honest guide, knowing that Truth truly has No Agenda, and us humans do not have all the facts, regardless of our assumptions that we do, regardless of where our earthly travels take us, there is always something more than we could possibly be aware of.
Things are about to get real interesting.
If I were President Trump, I would make every Intelligence Agent take a lie detecter test.
Did you know the Steele Dossier was a Clinton Campaign fabrication?Is your name on the Jeffrey Epstein list?If the Spy Guy flunks either question he/she’s fired. No exceptions.
After the mid-term ejection, release the Epstein List of Clients. I say this knowing Mr Trump is on the list because we already know he rode the Lolita Express when his plane had mechanical issues.
Republicans are going to pick up more seats in both Houses of Congress, mid-term.
(yeah, Democrats are viewed as nutty).
No way Trump will be impeached in his last two years if he has clear majorities in both Houses of Congress.
Just fire them all. Don’t pay them. Don’t give them any operational cover.
Unfortunately lie detectors can’t be counted on.
Riding Epstein’s plane home when your own plane has broken down does not make you an Epstein client.
The solution I see is that all IC operatives (that means all such employees in all IC-related agencies) must be subject to dismissal at any time for any or no reason by the President. He can then install people who will carry out his agenda.
That’s what Obama did , he gutted all the agencies of the people that didn’t have his pro communist views .
So what are we waiting for?
Apparently District judges had no problem getting rid of Patriots (non-Commies) and did not object.
Not just subject to dismissal: dismiss them. Stop paying salaries. Give them no cover. Be ruthless.
Agree with the first part, dismissing all, but why backfill – push it to the MIL. He’s the CIC and the the dogshit HPSCI & SSCI will still have oversight of MIL Intelligence Programs.
Pretending in many cases.
Trump not in control of intel agencies.
Same thing with biden except not only were the intel agencies in conttol biden was a goon of a president.
PBS news article: “U.S. and Russia have exchanged new ideas for Ukraine peace talks, Rubio says” :
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/u-s-and-russia-have-exchanged-new-ideas-for-ukraine-peace-talks-rubio-says
Rather than use the filter of PBS, why not just watch Rubio speak directly?
Maybe your dependence on MSM has caused you to go native, and maybe you need to return to the home base of real stuff.
Yep.
I did; but it’s been a crazy day and thought that link would give the basics so that those wanting more could do their own search.
We are on the same page, just be careful is what my instinct has screamed and am moved to say, knowing it is unwelcomed, on Monday President Trump, according a a post within the past hour, is set to make a major announcement regarding Russia; and simply don’t want you caught behind lines when not necessary.
Much Love and Many Prayers for your health, safety, and constructive journeys.
Why is Rubio repeating the false Congressional Military Industrial Complex trope that Russia is losing 100,000 soldiers a month and Ukraine is losing a tenth of that? Rubio is lying or pretending or receiving the bad intel from the Kellogg/Wiles America First Policy Institutute (not to be confused for Stephen Miller’s excellent America First Legal), (as XLVII apparently is), and Rubio reverting to his default war whore standpoint. Even the BBC has confirmed that the death / casualty numbers reported by Russia are far more accurate than those numbers produced by Ukranian sources, based on obituary reports, etc. If Russia was losing that many troops versus Ukraine, why hasn’t Russia lost an inch of ground, ultimately, for the last two years? Ukraine is being crushed militarily all along the contact line. Lavrov must be “disappointed” with his “counterpart” although Rubio did make the points about NATO members not supplying Patriot batteries to Ukraine.
No no we need darkness on here now all the time.
PBS…????? are you OK Bessie ????
Am fine; been one of those crazy days, where the rug gets pulled out from under one’s feet and new insights go, oh, uh oh, better be quick about saying what needed to be said, without trying to offend our host, and that was the quickest link I could find to post before getting on with this day which involved, well, stuff.
should have added, being the odd day this has been, of course, read my words with huge grains of salt.
The onus of being offended is on our host not you, Bessie. I took your posting as you checking on how the other side is reporting on the issue. There is no need to walk on eggshells and give mea culpas. 😊
Right now we need some Q-tards telling us about the white hats and the 4D chess and imploring us to trust the plan.
And wait for it..its coming..soon.
Stop sending deportees to Guantanamo Bay and empty it, refilling it with all CIA employees at Langley. Ban reporters and lawyers. J6 them.
Just fire them all. Stop paying them.
Then do military tribunals and exact the rightful punishments.
President Trump has company. Leaders of most NATO countries likely are in a position similar to or worse than that of President Trump. They have little to no control over their own intelligence silos either. Maybe there’s some support he can get from them to shut down the operation worldwide.
Who owns the drones that President Track Suit “deploys”? We know that the IC gives them assistance with data but if the drones are owned by the military, a public denounciation might be okay. But I suspect that the USAID black budget bought and paid for those drones and the question is did Little Marco totally kill USAID or did he just kill the open budget NGOs?
President Trump is a pretty smart guy. I have confidence in him.
I think Epstein was a CIA asset and that the island was an intelligence operation to control politicians.
Those politicians voted for the BBB act in turn for silence.
I think PT knows all of this and will deal with it in the time and manner of his choosing.
He obviously wants a balanced budget and the Ukraine war to end.
If anyone knows how to control the IC it’s Rubio. Just do it. Trump and Rubio can burn 🔥 some capital and get it done. Just expose some crap through examples and lay the truth out. Paint them into a corner. Use Russiagate as exhibit A and go from there.
Publicize all their names everywhere and frequently. Perhaps one of us or someone out there will find dirt on these folks who are controlling our government. We elected a President – not an IC.
JFK tried that after the Bay of Pigs, and look what happened.
There is not a simple published roster of employees you can just fire here.
Treasury and the government personnel agencies had better be able to identify CIA employees!
Nope. CIA and other intel agencies now have assets everywhere. Both in and out of government.
See above why they have structured it so covertly.
Bay of Pigs..1964… they killed JFK in the Nov…1963…Os
Bay of Pigs: April, 1961.
👎 Wrong.
Think, at some point, we are going to have to face an inevitable and awful reality. This IC problem is a black hole and will suck us all in if we do not resist its force. Basically, we are a nation under the thumb of an occupying power. I believe we have the will and means to correct this but like Macbeth’s wife said, “ You must screw your courage to the sticking place.”
“…the non-pretending tribe within American is in the minority.”
Boy, that’s a fact. There is so much everyday evidence of it.
Over the past five years, I’ve observed and heard the pretend-responses (panic, fear, TDS, anger, they “know” things…) in neighbors who are otherwise normal people. People who I’ve known going on 12 years now.
And there are also a bunch of self-identified (lifelong) conservative folk who are actually uninformed about almost everything. That’s just as weird as the pretenders.
I feel pretty uninformed myself–there is so much swirling and accumulating that I don’t assume that I can make specific and applicable use of the information I do have.
Accurate analysis as always.
Our country is sadly screwed:(
Both Russia and China know the reality. They are acting accordingly. Iran now is starting to understand as well. Russia will make sure all NATO and US weapons supplies will be as close to zero as possible by the time Ukraine falls. They are going slowly to ensure no surprises. When the time comes for China to act, they will take over Taiwan without a shot being fired. We have no hypersonic missiles. They have lots of them. Once Ukraine falls, the truth will start coming out.
The U.S. does have hypersonic missles, we are behind China and Russia in fielding operational units.
Putin is simply being a depraved war monger and Russia’s John McCain on crack.
And I think President Trump has just about had it with him, and rightly so, as his recent statements have very clearly shown.. That is the reality.
Or . . .
Putin is simply acting in Russia’s best interests . . . in response to coups and wars staged by the corrupted West right on his doorstep.
Who are the warmongers? The Russians? Or the EU, NATO, CIA, MI6 and so on? (Those who are stirring up trouble with Russia’s neighbors, and launching attacks deep into a shockingly patient Russia.)
you sound like Johnny Mc Cain and ms. Linda combine and you can add Frank D…….
Bud I’ve been loudly anti Ukraine for years. Still anti Ukraine. I’ve simply been pointing out Putin at this juncture is absolutely as responsible as z for this continuing.
He has no respect for Trump he’s not interested in negotiating. It seems pretty obvious
Russia is winning…Bigly.
Russia has been stating their position, security
concerns and objections for more than a decade.
Russian position has not wavered. They will continue
the war until their objectives are met.🤷♀️
It is the idiotic….Zelensky, EU and US Deep State
warmongers who have lost also.
And they double down on Stupid by believing
that the losers get to dictate the terms.
Even President Trump told Zelensky to his
face when he was in the White House…..
You. Are. Losing.
Uhhh… no.
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Maybe they’ll auto-pen it . . .
Toto to the rescue? Need some hapless bystander to pull away the curtain covering Oz the great and terrible.
I remember President Trump shutting off intelligence sharing. Lasted a day or so?
♦ Factually, no one knows what “taking control” would look like.
Can we not start detaining staff of certain agencies under National Security preservation and take them to Gitmo until we sever the background puppet strings. It comes down to people doing things does it not?
actual intelligence could then be streamlined to the most trusted slice maybe military IC?
a “fake” War footing would open the door to start trimming the Bushes……
It sound simplistic and silly maybe but the IC community are just people. Some of those people are doing the wrong things.
Heck Trump could claim Russian collusion and say Russia has embedded hundreds of assets and we need to sort it out.
??