Secretary of State Marco Rubio met with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov on the sidelines of a meeting of foreign ministers from the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) in Kuala Lumpur today. Against the backdrop of multiple questions to him about the outcome of their discussion, let us first discuss the problem being avoided.
In the mind of President Putin, and in the growing awareness of the American electorate, the President of the United States does not control the Intelligence Community. It is entirely possible for the USIC to take America deeper toward war despite the President and people of America not wanting that to happen. Putin is simply prepared for that outcome.
This reality explains a dynamic where President Trump engages with President Putin in an effort to stop the war in Ukraine, yet President Putin continues the war in Ukraine; because ultimately he knows President Trump does not control the elements that facilitate the Ukraine military.
People struggle to accept this dynamic. However, I would remind everyone that right now YOU are paying for the entire government of Ukraine to exist. Including the Ukraine govt payrolls, retirement benefits, healthcare and operational budget of Ukraine overall.
Americans do not want to pay for that. President Trump does not want to pay for that. Yet, here we are, paying for that.
The same inertia process applies to the literal Ukraine war and conflict with Russia.
You might not want it. President Trump might not want it. Yet, here again we are providing weapons, intelligence, satellite communication, personnel and systems for the war.
This is the reality of the situation regardless of your/my willingness to accept it. This reality is what President Vladimir Putin discusses and accepts.
The problem for President Trump is not that this reality exists; the bigger political problem for President Trump is that people are increasingly becoming aware of this reality.
Now, many people are recently arguing against this reality. However, these are the same voices who previously stated President Trump could unilaterally declassify information within the same silo process that is designed to control his declassification authority. Empirically, and in reality, these voices are wrong.
Something needs to change. That something is generally that President Trump has to either: 1. admit publicly he does not control the U.S. Intelligence Community (very ugly); or 2. take control of that intelligence community (even uglier).
In this element of consideration you would be well served to insert the recent experience of Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard; who, intentionally or not, opened the pandora’s box containing this issue, and look what happened to her.
There was a reason DNI Tulsi Gabbard sat silently recently in the very public Cabinet meeting. I will return to this in a moment.
[SIDE NOTE: Those who deny this reality are likely of a disposition that reconciled advice by those who said COVID-19 virus could attack you standing standing at a bar, but would not approach you sitting down. The COVID virus would attack you in the paint section at WalMart, but not in the grocery aisles, etc.
Every COVID-19 mitigation pronouncement was ridiculously silly, yet people not only believed it, they followed it. The non-pretending tribe did not. For whatever reason you might attribute, the reality of that COVID-19 experience highlighted that the non-pretending tribe within American is in the minority. The pretenders included politicians, healthcare workers, most doctors, police, law enforcement and most Americans (70% vaccinated). END NOTE]
♦ President Trump does not have control over the USIC activity in Ukraine. If he did, he would have been fully aware of the drone strikes against the Russian strategic bomber fleet before it was carried out. By his own admission he did not know.
Prior to the increased attacks, Russian President Vladimir Putin correctly noted that Ukraine does not have the military capability, the satellite communication and guidance systems to continue carrying out strikes deep into Russia. Therefore, from the perspective of Putin, as these strikes continued they were facilitated by NATO. Ergo, NATO was factually attacking Russia, albeit using Ukraine as the proxy for it. Again, Putin with clear eyes on reality.
Into this pretending/non-pretending world, in a remarkable statement of candor we also saw Secretary of State Marco Rubio accurately -and honestly- say five months ago the Ukraine conflict was a proxy war for the USA against Russia.
Now, fast forward to today. The reality is the proxy war, Rubio outlined so eloquently, continues. Simultaneously, neither he nor President Trump has any control over the USIC that is carrying it out. Yet, Secretary Rubio has to sit down with Foreign Minister Lavrov and either (a) be honest, or (b) pretend.
Following the meeting, here is Rubio’s remarks. You decide:
[Rubio brought up a good point. Germany, UK, France and Spain all have Patriot battery’s they can spare. However, they are refusing to give them to Ukraine. I wonder why.]
Back to the point – Again, President Trump and Secretary Rubio seem to have two options: 1. Admit their lack of control, or 2. Take control.
♦ The first option is obviously the easiest, admit the President of the United States does not have full control over the U.S. Intelligence Community. However, that comes with severe ramifications.
Flip it. Look at the dynamic from the outside. Imagine Emmanuel Macron or Abdel Fattah al-Sisi saying they no longer have operational control over their intelligence agencies, and those agencies have gone rogue. What would you think of France or Egypt?
Now imagine if the President of the USA made such a statement. How would the world react? What would happen to the dollar? How weak would President Trump look?
Thus, there is extreme pressure to maintain a premise.
Think about the recent experience of DNI Gabbard, and accept those types of consequences are exactly what the USIC rely upon to maintain their power and control. Open, even briefly, the Pandora’s Box that hides reality and massive alarms are immediately triggered to isolate, ridicule and marginalize the truth teller.
The people around President Trump have a vested interest in keeping that Pandora’s Box closed. Which brings us to the second option…. ‘Take control.’
♦ Factually, no one knows what “taking control” would look like.
Who exactly would enforce compliance and bring the USIC to heel? Tulsi was burned just nibbling around the edge of it. What would be the reaction from the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, and more importantly what would be the response from the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence; ironically the former silo chaired by Rubio.
Would President Donald Trump reach the same fate as President John F Kennedy? Perhaps not, if a very public process was instituted where President Trump said exactly what the situation was. However, that approach simply goes back to point #1.
See the problem?
Let’s talk about Tulsi Gabbard’s silence at the cabinet meeting, and role play for a moment as a Gordian Knot cutter.
Imagine a journalist who says: “Mr. President, thank you for the transparency you provide in allowing us to be with you and your cabinet during these meetings. If I may ask a question with a brief follow up?”
Question: “Mr President, do you feel you have full control over the intelligence agencies of our government?“
[Anticipated Response]: “I think so, at least I would hope that is the case” (or something similar).
Question: “Thank you. With that in mind, what specifically provides you with the sense of assurance you do have full control over the USIC?” … AND… “Would you also permit DNI Tulsi Gabbard to answer that question?“
Imagine what would follow that brief line of questioning. If the imaginary journalist were so inclined, he/she could also follow up with simple examples, like President Trump having no prior knowledge of the Ukraine drone strikes into Russia etc.
My point is that absent of President Trump taking some action that begins the process -against the interests and advice of his protective advisors- it is going to take an external element in this dynamic to trigger a change in the situation; for better, for uglier, or for worse.
The people around the office of the President are not going to want to touch this issue…
….Just ask Tulsi.
The IC is completely controlled by the oligarchs. They wage war by deception and have murdered many.
🙏
At least they sell opium and children to help fund it.
What was the lead entity behind the 19th century Opium Wars? Hint:
JULY 10 2025
U.S. Department of Defense
“President Trump is unleashing American Drone dominance”
Those drones are for us.
JULY 10 2025
ITALY – ROME
Zelensky Meets U.S. Senators to Push for Drone Defense, Joint Arms Production
U.S. joins “Coalition of the Willing” as Zelensky warns of 1,000-drone Russian attacks
Zelensky warned that Russia is preparing to launch drone swarms of up to 1,000 unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) in future attacks.
To counter this, Ukraine is seeking significant support to bolster its air defense, especially through investments in interceptor drones.
https://gnbnow.com/zelensky-us-drone-defense-meeting/
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twitter Zelensky
I had a good meeting with U.S. Senators @LindseyGrahamSC and @SenBlumenthal.
I’m grateful for their participation in the Ukraine Recovery Conference, as well as in the meeting of the Coalition of the Willing.
It is important that the United States joined this format – for the first time.
Our current priority is bolstering air defense.
Russia is aiming to launch attacks involving up to a thousand drones at once.
That is why it is crucial to scale up protection, particularly by investing in interceptor drones.
We also discussed the continued supply of weapons from the United States and joint weapons production.
We are ready for different formats, including purchasing a large defense package from the United States, jointly with Europe, to protect lives.
We also touched on the bill introduced by Senators Graham and Blumenthal regarding additional restrictive measures against Russia and those supporting its war effort.
Without a doubt, this is exactly the kind of leverage that can bring peace closer and make sure diplomacy is not empty.
Thank you for the meeting and for working together in the name of peace and security.
Why are Senators, who via the Constitution are in Congress to represent states dealing in foreign policy? That’s the question that should be asked. Enough of this crap and President Trump just supported Graham. I’m getting annoyed and tired of the BS.
Trump appoints the heads of the USIC but do we think the senate confirmed heads are in charge? Graham is in direct communications with those in charge of the USIC. He’s the USIC representative.
“The problem for President Trump is not that this reality exists; the bigger political problem for President Trump is that people are increasingly becoming aware of this reality.”
This makes me wonder. I observed from the start of this Epstein thing that the reaction of the MAGA public was EXTREMELY predictable. There were LOTS of ways they could avoid offending MAGA such as admitting “all the stuff was erased long ago” or some such. But Trump and his team are taking a path which unquestionably leads to angry-MAGA and a MAGA divided.
Scott Adams has his take on “trusting Trump to lie to you when it’s appropriate.” Doug in Exile is fighting the same fight trying to hold MAGA together. But I observe that the reaction from MAGA is exactly what you would expect. And since I’m not some brilliant sociologist or political genius, I can only assume Trump knows this as does his team.
I’m trying to understand WHY this would be an intentional act.
And now Sundance points to this geopolitical reality along with a growing awakening that the USIC is indeed a separate and extra-constitutional force within the USA. The people are starting to know this.
This might be the actual reason why Trump is taking this embarrassing position.
And I don’t hear the leftist Media mocking Trump over this either. In fact, I haven’t heard a PEEP from them on this. Why aren’t they attacking Trump for this “failure”? I have some guesses in mind and it mostly comes down to not wanting to call attention to that very reality — that the USIC operates extraconstitutionally from the legitimate government.
I think Doug and Scott need to shift their narrative to shining light on THIS issue though I’m unsure how to do that without them getting killed in the process. Scott probably doesn’t mind risking his life under his circumstances though.
I think in President Trumps mind it’s a black or white issue with no in between.
Release the information and damage the FBI and CIA forever and cause irreparable harm or cover it up and lie in the name of “National Security.”
He obviously chose the latter.
I’m not sure it’s a black and white situation.
It’s more how he prioritizes and builds the big picture- and I don’t think that he’s communicating this well enough.
We also need to remember that our legal system is not reliably there at all.. they just let P. Diddy largely off.
Do you use a system that may chew you up and spit you out for all the world to see?
To save face and retain the image of ‘all powerful’, the government is not going to try a case like that if they don’t know they can absolutely win it, and I don’t think they can.. period. And this is never going to be admitted because that too destroys the government credibility.
The people that have built all this are the same people that made sure the evidence needed isn’t there.
The rigging of the case began decades ago by making sure we’d be right here where we are.
They’ve rigged the situation in such a way that it’s gone- some of what would have been needed likely never existed for just this reason.
What they need to prosecute a case on a scale like that, what they need isn’t there.
The courts are not there, the evidence isn’t there..
The team of attorneys willing and able to do this probably isn’t there- and what would the price of that be in legal costs for the government that is broke- likely far more than we know.
Does it make sense for the President who is trying to cut spending to then spend this kind of money on this?
So perhaps there are better routes towards solving this.. and this is where how President Trump prioritizes comes into play.
This is a bitter pill to swallow, but ask yourself this question: is the priority to see names and watch people get perp walked on the TV or is the priority to end all that was going on and solving the problem?
In the grand scheme of things, what is the durable, lasting solution– to put a man in jail for the remainder of his life through a lengthy and costly process to the taxpayers, or to make it so that the crime he committed can never happen again.
If we take emotion out of this, what is the better thing to do that checks the most boxes?
I find that HARD to believe. We are talking about an organization which has factually usurped the US Constitution. While he’s battling lawfare JUDGES, the balance of world peace vs world war is a major problem.
… and you think he would choose world war just to protect the FBI and CIA from damage? The US can construct NEW intelligence agencies. They aren’t specified in the US constitution except that they are UNDER POTUS. So it’s only a constitutional crisis that they exist as they are NOW.
I agree very much with what you wrote. The USIC is a separate and extra-constitutional force within the USA. That is a direct result of the National Security Act of 1947, giving the CIA a budget which by law, allowed them to use the money IN SECRET from the American people. That law itself was unconstitutional but I do not know if it was ever challenged as such. And just think of how much money has been spent throughout our government by the CIA and IC to make 17 sprawling agencies all dealing with Intel. All secret spending that none of us is allowed to know about. Imagine how much power an agency can accrue given this kind of mandate? This is what we need to fix, though I doubt there is anyone in the country who feels safe even trying to fix it. But if that’s true, that’s like admitting we don’t have a Constitutional Republic anymore at all.
Eve did we ever have a Constitutional Republic?
We think we did, we are told we do, but does it look like we do?
I pray that i am correct. What has been the one thing preventing Trump to REALLY take on the swamp? And I count most of our elected Congressional officials. Public outrage demanding justice. We all know their is enough evidence in current public domain to create the client list. But the embedded forces opposing Trump run deep. By denying the Epstein info, you have lit a fire that will not be put out. Trump needed this public outrage as a force to overwhelm the Deep State controlled bureaucracy. And this rage will once ignited and harnessed, will lead to those embedded to reveal themselves. And this has the effect of carry over into all the great scandals, for many have played in multiple schemes. From the Russia hoax, to the stolen elections, to Jan 6th, to the lawfare to prevent Trumps election. Now the ICE protests. Time to expose all the corruption. He has his budget. And by telling folks nothing to see here, he has the opportunity to harness this outrage to overpowered the Deep State forces trying to prevent the change. The power has always been in the engagement of the public. The STORM, in full fury, has been released. It is our choice to see the change we all desire.
yeah… that’s the way I was going with it.
I am saddened to say it but it appears that the most lethal threat ever faced by Americans are elements of our own federal govt.
I explain to everybody I know, your own Government is the number one threat to your Life & Liberty, it does not matter where you live. There is no such thing as a benevolent Government, just the opposite, they will collude to kill there own citizens if that is what is needed to stay in power (Example Covid-19 being a Military operation). Necessary Evil, oh my!!
Which is why it was supposed to be small and fairly toothless.
What we should have been voting for all along was anything that reduced the size and scope of government- and the complete opposite has gone on.
We create and fund the beast that takes our lives.
i believe our govt became the enemy of We the People on 1913…. whoever controls the money controls the people. Our country was no longer governed as a Constitutional Republic…
As HAL-9000 would say: “I can’t let you do that, Dave.”
Dave, suejeanne? Who’s that?
Me. You. The whole kit-and-boodle.
The Founders were very clear that this would be just the case- and they tried to prevent it.
could the suspended SS agents be a lame IC offering to President Trump?
now I start to think of connections
As a fellow non-pretender, SD, I really appreciate how you tie this all together. Especially appreciate the acknowledgement that we already have personnel in theater. For those saying: “No boots on the ground.” Well, that ship has sailed.
Well if Trump don’t solve the problem we gonna be in a war against Russia and we ain’t near bout prepared.
Russia has the very latest weaponry of every kind land, sea and air. They have tons of military equipment and troops just waiting for NATO to say the word.
And we can kiss our golden age goodbye.
Well, got damn it…somebody has got to do something about this mess. Somebody has to have the balls to fire some deeply embedded scumbags in the deep state. This is ridiculous.
Hmmmm the Epstein list I’m sure would have scarfed up some of them to get it started.
If President Trump made any kind of a deal which involved ignoring Epstein, certainly that deal has been blown as there is no discernible difference in the conduct of the warmongers and IC.
“It ain’t over ’til it’s over.” – Yogi Berra 🙂
Finally, FINALLY, this is being said out loud publicly. As I’ve said earlier, it is obvious that President Trump is well aware of the limitations of his office. Again, Eisenhower was well aware of this problem – and did not think he was capable of addressing it, other than to point it out. From what we know now, JFK wanted to change this. Putin knows exactly what the situation is – he laid it out in a video interview recently.
The drive to dominate is coded into the algorithm we live in. History is the record of relatively small groups of people trying to dominate as much of the world as they can. Why would we even think it would be different today?
And, so, the question remains that I asked ten years ago now – does Donald Trump represent a real trend change? Or, is he merely a correction to the main trend? There are many points in a real bear market where it looks like it’s time to buy, but the phrase I’ve always remembered is that cheap is only half-way there. Over the decades, that has been proven many times.
Bay of Pigs: Scattering the CIA to the winds
“How could I have been so stupid as to let them proceed?” President John Kennedy asked his advisers following the CIA’s infamous fiasco at the Bay of Pigs in April 1961. Beyond the fact that the U.S. invasion of Cuba was an egregious act of aggression — violating international law and Cuba’s sovereignty — its failure was a catastrophic embarrassment for JFK, only weeks into his White House tenure.
Kennedy held CIA director Allen Dulles, and his deputy for covert operations Richard Bissell, personally responsible for deceiving him on the prospects for success of the ill-planned paramilitary assault. Indeed, as he processed the implications of the failed invasion, Kennedy vented his desire to “splinter the CIA into a thousand pieces and scatter it into the winds.”
https://responsiblestatecraft.org/jfk-files-cia/
The United States placed Jupiter missiles in Italy and Turkey in 1961.
Then the Soviet Union began placing their missiles in Cuba which resulted in the Cuban Missile Crisis in 1962.
The crisis was resolved after an agreement was worked out that the US would remove the Jupiter missiles in Turkey – meanwhile, the USSR would withdraw/remove all their missiles from Cuba and then the “quarantine” by the US would be removed from Cuba. The secret part of the agreement was about the US removing the missiles from Turkey.
Per Wikipedia, Khruschev’s fall was the result of his being shamed by the way the crisis turned out but it was not disclosed publicly that the missiles in Turkey were removed and it was the emplacement of those missiles which prompted the move by the USSR to put missiles in Cuba. I was ten years old at the time and although I think was becoming a bit of a news junkie, I don’t remember being aware of the part about the missiles in Turkey.
I would have thought the missiles in Turkey being kept secret was a face-saving device for Kennedy. Did he even know about the missiles in Turkey? Did he sign off on that? Was it a NATO thing?
Every COVID-19 mitigation pronouncement was ridiculously silly, yet people not only believed it, they followed it. The non-pretending tribe did not. For whatever reason you might attribute, the reality of that COVID-19 experience highlighted that the non-pretending tribe within American is in the minority. The pretenders included politicians, healthcare workers, most doctors, police, law enforcement and most Americans (70% vaccinated). END NOTE] – Sundance
The non-pretending included closing churches but keeping strip clubs open!!! I’m not a pretender. The war we need to have is not against Russia it’s against our own Intelligence Community! If the IC won’t obey the President then the army needs to be used to force them to obey his order or eliminate them if noncompliant!!! Shut down Langley, VA if necessary!!! Tough decision but it needs to be made. We fought a Civil War and the country survived we can eliminate a rouge IC wanting to take America to war and the country will survive. President Trump give the IC the order to withdraw from the Ukraine and if they don’t give them an ultimatum leave or be destroyed!!!! If they don’t them bomb them out of the Ukraine or send in the Seals and Special Ops to do it!!! I don’t support the tail wagging the dog and that’s what IC is doing!!! JMO
The pretending included closing churches but keeping strip clubs open!!!
What happened to Gabbard?
Seems it might help if they stopped just blaming Russia. Some truth might do some good. While not defending Russia regarding the war, it doesn’t hurt to let people know what exactly is holding up the process. Its not only Russia.
Meanwhile, while all this is happening President Trump just endorsed Lindsey Graham for re-election.
He always does because he consistently votes for Trump agenda. He’s a vile person but he’s consistent
Sounds like you are in for Option 1.
I’m for option reality
Who’s supposed to be the president? Donald J Trump or that midget flamer from South Carolina? Unbelievable as it may seem, his bill for 500% secondary sanctions against any country that is buying Russian oil may get a vote. Trump needs tell off Graham and the midget from the Ukraine.
The sanctions bill was always gonna pass veto proof. President trump has watered it down and has been pressuring Graham to water it down. It’s essentially ceremonial and gives Trump the flexibility to implement it and offer vouchers
I agree. Sort of hard being a president against wars then endorsing a warmonger like Graham.
JULY 10 2025
reuters
Trump to use presidential authority to send weapons to Ukraine, sources say
President Donald Trump for the first time since returning to office will send weapons to Kiev under a presidential power frequently used by his predecessor, two sources familiar with the decision said on Thursday, a move suggesting new interest by the president in defending Ukraine.
[…]Trump on Tuesday said the U.S. would send more weapons to Ukraine to help the country defend itself against intensifying Russian advances.
[…]The package could include defensive Patriot missiles and offensive medium-range rockets, but a decision on the exact equipment has not been made, the sources said. One of the people said this would happen at a meeting on Thursday.
[…]Ukraine’s top priorities are Patriot missile interceptors and GMLRS mobile rocket artillery which may be included in the package.
The weapons could be on the front lines within days because stocks are positioned in Europe.
[…]
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/trump-use-presidential-authority-send-weapons-ukraine-sources-say-2025-07-10/
2 anonymous sources. And already appropriated stuff. We’ll see
The President just endorsed the re-election campaigns of war mongers Graham and Cotton, that simple truth confirms that he’s not in charge of the USIC and that the ongoing quid pro quo continues… evil begets evil
Sometimes it’s safer to dance with a devil you know.
Graham should be in prison, not only for his treason against our country but many believe he may have some hidden young men /boys as his collateral damage in life as well.
I don’t understand why these ‘people’ just can’t be disappeared
Because these “people” could easily total into the hundreds of thousands of people, across multiple organizations. Connected. Funded. On the same “Team”. And in the case of one agency in particular, operating entirely in the dark, with an unlimited off-the-books budget, army of their own, and likely with access to technology that’s decades ahead of what we see in the world around us.
Brennan investigation? Is this a card at play?
Well, who’s going to tell him? Would he believe it? Does he have a clue about this? If the President doesn’t have control. neither does Ratcliff.
Makes you wonder why PDT would endorse a raging piece of warmongering scum like Ms Linda Graham? If there’s a bigger backstabbing piece of garbage then that flake, don’t know who it would be. I can understand a lot of unpleasant deals had to be made to get the BBB passed, however, now that its passed, it would seem there might be ways for PDT, Gabbard and Rubio to come up with a plan to start neutering the IC. Too bad Musk went south, with outside operators inside the systems used by the IC, causing outages, stopping access and a host of other adverse events might weaken the IC trash. Who’s in control of the satellites? There should be some way to beat the IC at their own games.
It occurred to me . . . perhaps Elon is still with us. God bless you, Elon! And thanking you in advance!
JMO.
You underestimate President Trump and his capabilities.
You exaggerate the IC.
The table is set.
MAGA / America First isn’t just our motto, it is our duty!
You pretend not to know things to keep thinking this…you are a pretender.
Could be ….. but in reality, I am just a keen 10 year observer of the performance of one of the best operations guys I have ever seen …… that would be the G.O.A.T. President Trump ……
And at the same time, have watched the most treasonous, criminal, sloppiest, anti-American, unconstitutional IC gang of all times, year after year after year (for 10 years) when faced with a real competitor, come across as the “gang that couldn’t shoot straight”……… racking up failure after failure after failure ….. their new 3 letter department id is LLL ….. for losers, losers, losers.
“Paul Revere”…… what a misnomer ….. more like “Benedict Arnold”
Fair points, fair fair, points. I agree about Trump. It’s the variables that I’m talking about. I like the LLL, ha ha.
Maybe you don’t pretend and I was just rude.
I am a doer, for me the next question is, what do we do? How de we the people facilitate the ousting of the IC and their control over our lives? Congress isn’t the answer, most of them are weak minded, weak willed cowards, only looking to drive Bentleys.
What to do?
Stay alert.
Stay positive.
Follow President Trump’s actual lead.
Not what people perceive his lead to be.
Basically, adhere to the wagon-train-rule: follow the wagon master’s lead wagon, always.
Have a great MAGA DAY!
What we do is keep building the team..
The biggest strength and power we’ve got out here is to build numbers.
Do you understand that their greatest fear is a United America?
United and taking them down– and we can, but it can’t be done with only half of us.
I am an unvaccinated non pretending MAGA. I felt like I had to take a break for a few days as this is depressing. This up and down of praising and then bashing gets old. But Cactus, your short post has brightened my day. Thanks
JULY 10 2025
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JULY 10 2025
THE TIMES OF ISRAEL
Israel has asked the United States in recent days to renew its military strikes on the Iran-backed group in Yemen, the Kan public broadcaster reports.
[…]and called for “more intense combined attacks against Houthi regime targets — not just [Israeli] air force fighter jet strikes, but also a renewal of American attacks and the formation of a coalition including additional countries,”
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https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/israel-said-to-urge-us-to-resume-strikes-on-yemens-houthis-calls-for-broad-military-coalition/
No.
And for Mark Levin . . . no, Neocon.
I say, name names. Who does what and where. Expose to the light. Then hold accountable x person. If the IC is this cloud, it’s difficult to grasp. If names are named as to who does what, as painful as that may be, it’s “easier” to expose and hold into account. Because everyone closes the door behind them, no one knows what’s inside the door. Put faces with the racket, then let the chips fall were they may. If a separate body runs our geopolitical ops, then we don’t have a country to protect anyway. We’re just pretending to be running a country we’re trying to protect.
This is why elections no longer matter. I’m the type of person who’d rather call the baby ugly and deal with it. Yet, there are still way too many pretenders out there. Just scroll through this forum, you’ll see plenty of people pretending while claiming they don’t. The Epstein mess has dragged that hypocrisy into broad daylight.
Regardless, we’re still footing the bill for Ukraine, and it’s getting old fast. That’s my biggest gripe with the Trump Administration. Trump’s post about Lindsey Graham speaks volumes without saying much.
I’m fed up with unelected folks like Susie Wiles and the USIC running our country. We didn’t vote for them. Enough is enough. This is the kind of thing that sparks civil wars, especially when certain government types are importing illegals, smuggling children, and defending the criminals they’ve brought into this country.
All they have to do is throw out an Elon fit, then Elon says Epstein, and poof. The influencers are in full-blown distraction mode, the same influencers who were fondling themselves over white binders not too long ago. Ya’ll pretenders are why we are where we are today. And, yes, I’m talking about some of you reading this…..I’m not the only one here who notices and reads the room very well.
There might be a third option for PDJT.
He could shake things up a bit if he went public by asking Zelensky to hold a referendum asking the Ukrainians to vote on whether the war should continue, they are willing to lose part of East Ukraine in exchange for peace…
The Ukrainians have no say in this war matter that is destroying their country, their families, and their ecological environment.
Yes, the war for the Republic is lost.
The Brennan-Comey “investigation leak” is also a move to make President Trump and the administration look weak.
If the investigation goes anywhere by some accident the culprits will be supplied with plenty of Lawfare, corrupt “judges” and hive minded DC juries.
There is a solution but it would probably require the President to sacrifice his life.
Seems the leprechaun is holding all the cards after all.
There is a King, sitting upon a throne.
That King is not DJT. That Throne is not the Oval Office.
He will be thrown down, but the cost will be exceedingly great. Had our people been a righteous people, we would not be set to suffer what we will, very soon, suffer.
Men. Get right with God today, & pray your wife & children will hear & follow you.
If you wait, even a day, you’ll be out of time.
“This reality explains a dynamic where President Trump engages with President Putin in an effort to stop the war in Ukraine, yet President Putin continues the war in Ukraine; because ultimately he knows President Trump does not control the elements that facilitate the Ukraine military.”
Well, that’s one way to look at it. It is based upon the assumption that Putin believes that 47 does not control the USIC, and that is what drives Putin’s actions. There is another way to come at it, which I believe is more in keeping with the facts on the ground.
There is a saying: there are no such things as contradictions. When you think you see a contradiction, what’s going on is that one of your underlying assumptions is false.
The quote above is based upon the assumption that Putin does NOT have ambitions toward acquiring ALL of Ukraine, but only wants the Eastern provinces that are heavily populated by ethnic Russians. So – when 47 floats peace talks aimed at letting Putin keep those regions, Putin steps up his attacks and torpedoes the whole process. An apparent contradiction, but one based upon a certain assumption as to Putin’s intentions in Ukraine.
If, however, we modify that underlying assumption, and assume that Putin’s ambition is to acquire ALL of Ukraine, the contradiction disappears. With this assumption, of course Putin would torpedo ANY peace process that would leave him with only the Eastern provinces.
This is what has 47 so angry. He believes the Putin lies about his ultimate intentions in Ukraine. Putin doesn’t want peace. He wants Ukraine. ALL of it.
All the talk of the USIC, who controls whom, who American taxpayers are paying in Ukraine, is just misdirection to distract from the obvious display of Putin’s intentions. Don’t fall for it.
Do I care if Russia absorbs Ukraine? Not really. The Europeans, on the other hand, are understandably upset when a European country is INVADED by a Eurasian country. Memories are too fresh. So what happens? Sweden and Finland promptly applied for membership in NATO.
“Secretary Rubio has to sit down with Foreign Minister Lavrov and either (a) be honest, or (b) pretend.”
Yes, but not about who controls the USIC. He has to either be honest about recognizing Putin’s true territorial ambitions, or continue to play make-believe and pretend Putin only wants the Donbas.
I think that’s a fair assessment and much less of a logical leap. You can be both anti Ukraine I am, and honest about Putin.
If anyone can, it’s Pres. Trump. Where this fits within his list of priorities is another question. I believe that he was about to move on from the war and peace efforts (“this is Biden’s war that would never have happened with him in charge”)- you already see him distancing himself from it.
I’m pretty sure the Russians have been telling Trump how they see the reality and cannot sit idly by while the rogue IC continues to pound on them. So, we are at an impasse.
A creative approach may be what’s needed based on trade or some financial inducement that gets both sides to pay attention. But as long as the IC is in the thick of it, defunding it may be the best option. The House can do that.
If the war in Ukraine continues, people will decide that Trump can’t deliver his promises or ge doesn’t have control.
Dammed if you do and if you don’t.
Seems to me, it needs to be dismantled. Or it will dismantle us right into a nuke war.
MAGA can attempt to animate the zombie from behind but the fact is the US is in an advanced state of decomposition that can’t be reversed. Reform has not been possible because the leverage is in the Luciferian hands of the “principalities and powers” of which are not accountable to us.
We are in a dark world that celebrates ignorance and the pleasures it provides… it is a partnership that gives what we call “liberty.” Until that darkness is replaced with blinding light the rot will continue.
Ignorance is by choice and all are responsible to God regardless of being uninformed of the gospel. No one gets a pass, especially from this Bible-drenched nation.
Don’t fall for any electoral hopes! Unless it’s the Lamb himself setting things straight it’s not going to fix itself. Trump was never the fixer, just a tap on the brakes.
I think our President is a very smart man and like he has in the past, has a plan to deal with this. I suspect he is waiting for something.
The “Wall Street Journal” is a part of – what might I call it – the phalanx of fakery –
injecting into the conversation of the nation phrases like “Trump called out Putin” . . . “Trump bristled” . . . dog whistles gotta whistle, that can work in all kinds of directions! You know most frequently it seemed that the talking heads at CNN like to use that phrase “dog whistle” when they are getting ready to tell all white Americans again that white Americans are racists.
But a “dog whistle” could also be used in other ways by other people to convey a message. And while we MAGA people DO love President Trump and respect him greatly, the anti-MAGA people want to characterize any difference of opinion (i.e., Epstein) as equivalent to the Mariana Trench.
Another misapprehension of the Left is that all MAGA people follow everything on Fox News and consider everything that Sean Hannity or any one and every one else on Fox News is accepted as gospel. I have encountered this in family conversations where I have gotten yelled at for “just being one of those stupid Fox News watchers”. For many of us, Fox News is in the rear view mirror or maybe on the side mirror (but take care, things seen in this mirror may appear smaller or larger than they really are). It is no more like the good old days when Fox News first started and the tv was turned on and set to Fox News at 5:20 in the morning on the way to the coffeemaker.
The Neocons are still trying to “dog whistle” MAGA to guilt us into World War III!
Please don’t mistake our love and regard for President Trump as dashed like a porcelain cup just because we have a public disagreement; this love and regard is tougher than what the Democratic Party can fathom. The Democratic Party has a very brittle relationship with citizens who are finding that it is a one-way street with the Democratic Party. The Democratic Party expects people to stay on the plantation no matter how miserable and rotten. The Democratic Party cannot abide any difference of opinion as the leadership steers everyone to the Left, into a riptide.
No thank you.
SueJean: the “phalanx of fakery” is quite the turn of phrase. May I borrow it?
Thank you . . . and certainly! 🙂
The neocons and the Democratic Party seem more on the side of World War III than they are on the side of America –
the excitement that possibly the steel grip of MAGA love has somehow evaporated, no longer posing an obstacle for plans to rearrange the world – and us – and the USA.
The neocons and the Democratic Party seem more on the side of World War III than they are on the side of America –
the excitement that possibly the steel grip of MAGA love has somehow evaporated, no longer posing an obstacle for plans to rearrange the world and in particular, the USA.
Yes, the Epstein “moment” was absolutely galling – and maybe it was part of the revelation that Sundance is talking about, that our President is not in control of our intelligence community, including the FBI . . . and all that is being used to continue the War in Ukraine and to sustain Ukraine’s government, etc.
Maybe that Epstein “moment” was like the officers of the USS Pueblo, posing for “Time” magazine, giving the finger to the North Koreans as part of their ongoing morale-boosting offensive – explaining the gesture as the “Hawaiian good luck sign”. “Time” magazine revealed the true meaning to the North Koreans. I think that point of the story was where I began to look upon American journalism as not all that it was cracked up to be.
The triumphant reign of the Hawaiian Good Luck sign came to an abrupt end when Time magazine published a photo of the men and pointed out their ruse, writing in the caption that “three of the crewmen have managed to use the medium for a message, furtively getting off the U.S. hand signal of obscene derisiveness and contempt.”
When the crew’s captors read this, they kicked off what the men would come to call “Hell Week,” beating the crewmen mercilessly for days. During this especially bleak period, the men had no way to know they were actually close to going home.
North Korean Officials Had No Idea What Their Hostages Were Signaling in This Photo – Atlas Obscura
Back to Trump, Epstein and the revelation of the presumptions of our IC and how it seems that both the neocon element and DNC hope to benefit their aspirations.
Maybe what President Trump was doing at the cabinet meeting when asked about Epstein was flipping off – not us – but other elements with other agendas.
It’s not over yet, kids. It isn’t even Friday!
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Well it looks like now, exactly 50 years later, I have to go back and save America. No problem. “Trust me, I know what I’ m doing”!……Sledge Hammer
With all the million-man marches in DC, it would be great it would be if one of them (unarmed) walked up to and overran the gates of Langley and occupied the CIA, taking it apart down to the deepest basement levels.
There could be thousands of casualties, out of hundreds of thousands moving in,. But if the first wave was say volunteers with terminal illnesses, it would be quite a spectacle, mowing down unarmed civilians.
They IC deserves nothing; no respect, no money, no freedom. Just exposure and jail time, being intrinsically contrary to US civilization.
With their compartmentalization, none of them can know for sure what side they are advancing. including the supposed shot callers who themselves are acting on other inputs.. They could be implementing policy for China for all they know of their little piece. Who do you serve? “Well, this guy down the hall who says this is the plan of some mysterious other directorate … but who is that and where does it come from? And where are they getting their agenda from” The whole concept is so flawed it needs to go.
Fake News / Fake War
Translation: Let Trump be Obiden.
The IC is many things, but they are not original. They use the same playbook over and over again. Because it works!!
Providing “strategic advisors” and ancillary support was exactly how we got started in Vietnam. No boots on the ground! We are just “helping” the S. Vietnamese contain the spread (just two more weeks!)! Then the Gulf of Tonkin happened and the growing support that we must DO SOMETHING!
Same set up in Ukraine. The IC will bomb some civilian site and blame the Russians. It will be plastered all over the global media like dying Italians at the onset of Covid, the War Drums will be very loud.
The Four Horsewomen of the Apocalypse (Jarret, Nuland, Power and Rice) are riding and want to unleash the dogs of war.
Maybe the next war is not country vs country but countries vs intelligence communities.
Maybe that’s been the past dozen wars?
Perhaps they’re waiting for the likely Russian victory over Ukraine to give them leverage in tacking the issue. They don’t have the type of putty-President they’re used to manipulating in Trump, and he’s certainly not omitted the IC in his four year preparation for power, so it’s wait and see time.
One thing Trump will not do is give them an angle, as he did in his first administration, so he’ll support the conflict in a limited capacity, so as to remain immune from accusations of aiding Putin.
so if the President doesn’t have control over the US Intelligence Community, then who does? The IC is people, not a bot. You can’t get 15 people to agree on what to order for lunch let alone control the USA via some rogue agency. These IC people take direction from someone or some group of someones. Who?
Trump’s ego will not permit him to admit he doesn’t control these people. He just would never go there. He also knows that if he did do Option #2, Butler, PA would seem pretty tame. They would make him room temperature before he could do a single meaningful thing.
Retired Magistrate here: Only GOD can get the United States out of the mess we are in if HE so deems.
I am glad you, Sundance, identified and named the problem right out in the open, without pretending. Yes, this is the issue also with Israel. The CIA and IC have a pro-jihad policy in the Middle East. I can prove it going back to even farther than Reagan, but for example, Reagan ran on being tough on the mullahs of Iran. As soon as he was in office, the US was sending billions of dollars of weapons to Iran SECRETLY. This policy took the form of every President verbally saying “We are in support of Israel” but covertly, every President has had a policy of empowering Iran, and/or jihadi countries like Qatar.
Trump ran on being a supporter of Israel, but his policies have been pro-jihadi: he got even closer than any other President to Qatar, the funder and supporter of jihadi terrorism around the world, the supporter of Iran, the funder of support for indoctrinating students in colleges around the world to hate Israel. Trump also made Israel stop fighting when they were winning in Iran, and now Trump is telling Israel to stop fighting when Israel is winning in Gaza. This is not the policy of someone who loves Israel.
That said, what is happening with Russia and the war in Ukraine is the same thing: Trump ran on stopping the war! He even ran saying he would stop the war in one day! Now either he knew when he said it that it was a lie, or he didn’t realize that he wasn’t going to be able to stop the war in Ukraine when he said those things in every campaign stop before being elected.
The problem is the “bosses.” I don’t know their names, I just look at who benefits when there is war. Who benefits? Who makes the most money when there is war and who stands to lose the most if the war is ended? Same thing in Russia as in the Middle East. Trump has been stopping the war before it can end with Israel the winner, because if Israel is the winner, it stops all the bloodshed that the IC wants to keep going in the Middle east.
These individuals seem to be the military industrial complex cartel owners. One wonders why they are never satisfied no matter how much money they earn? What can they possibly achieve with more money than Croesus? But it must be these individuals who want perpetual war, and also the CIA budget will actually have to be pared down if wars end. So anyone wanting to keep the CIA muscular in terms of money budgeted to it, will be against any war ending.
Does anyone else here know who in the Intel community is behind these forever war policies?
Is Trump an unwitting victim in all of this or did Trump already know this was going to be the situation when he ran for President in 2024?
Somehow I don’t think of Trump as ignorant about the deep state. But the question is, is he part of the deep state but has to pretend he isn’t so he can “capture” the Americans who want to destroy the deep state, while secretly behind the scenes, keeping the deep state going?
In this situation we cannot use politicians’ words. The job of a politician is to manipulate through their words. We here all thought Trump as the “outsider” was speaking the simple truth, very different from every other president. But is that true?
It is difficult to know who to believe, because I think all of us here can agree, those in the deep state are as determined to keep their power as we Americans are determined to destroy their power.
And how is that power going to be destroyed if we either have a President who lacks the power to do so, or is actually hired by the deep state to just pretend he has the power.
People here know more than me about these things as you have been following Sundance for years more than I have, since I think I just started to follow Sundance during the COVID debacle. So you may have a greater ability to see the forest for the trees with this.
I just wonder if Trump cannot overcome the CIA, what are his goals? If he cannot stop the War in Ukraine, what is it realistic to hope for? And if he cannot be open with Americans about the truth of this, then are we all at risk of becoming enslaved by these “bosses” the globalist predators who want to own the world?
I believe this but I have to admit to not understanding how it is possible. My brain just says the director of the CIA must hve the authority to drill down and figure this out. Following the money is usually the best route. I guess these organizations have become so big and so complex that they anre extremely difficult to manage. I am sure Trump will tackle it. What other option is there? He has demonstrated his ability and willingness to tackle these things in the past.
it seems to me a DOGE type team might be part of the answer here. That and better supervision and accountability systems. Probably better computer systems to track information. In my own little microcosm of life, supervision, consequences and fairness in application of these things solves a lot of problems. It takes diligence and perseverance, especially when things have been allowed to run amok for a long period of time. But eventually it brings peace.
Good grief.
When was the last time we’ve had this much to digest (past 2? weeks) – and as substantive!!!?
This thread alone can keep CTH humming along all evening.
So, I don’t want to note anything off topic here. Instead, I ‘ve mentioned it on the Daily Presidential thread: ALAN DERSHOWITZ just chimed in ….
My post ~1725 hrs..
moved
Russia soundly defeating Ukraine over a long painful period could be the event that provides an opportunity to face the USIC. Which is what Putin is doing, slowly strangling Ukraine and thus EU/NATO/USIC.
So, I’m curious, what would happen if Trump went ahead and established a non-sanctions or open trade relations with Russia? Would that send the USIC controllers into a tizzy?
Is it even a feasible option to pursue? Curious asking Sundance the ramifications of such a move?
RE above post on Page-2
“Sundance –
About that “External Element” required to trigger a change in the situation”
PLAN B:
1 – President Trump drives NATO to “SUSTAIN UKRAINE”
—> NATO’s Members MAXIMIZE Monthly Shipments of Weapons & Munitions to Ukraine
—> USA Matches with Monthly Shipments from its Units at European Bases, a Base-and-Unit at a time
—> Trump Redeploys Units to the Southern Border as their Weapons are Depleted
—> Trump Closes Bases once their Units have Redeployed Home
2 – President Trump redeploys Global Intelligence Operatives & Resources to Fight-to-the-Last to “DESTROY the CARTELS & TRAFFICKERS”
—> Trump sets up TASK FORCE SOUTH covering the Southern Border & Latin American Trafficking
—> Trump Redeploys ALL CIA Operatives, Mercenaries & Resources from Europe & West Asia to TASK FORCE SOUTH
—> Trump sets up TASK FORCE NORTH covering the Northern Border & Sanctuary City/State Trafficking
—> Trump Redeploys ALL CIA Operatives & Resources from Asia & USA to TASK FORCE NORTH
—> Trump Deploys ALL Non-Mideast/Africa State Department Operatives & NGOs to TASK FORCES SOUTH & NORTH
3 – President Trump directs rest of DEEP STATE to join Israelis in Fighting-to-the-Last to “SAVE ISRAEL”
—> Trump sets up TASK FORCE ISRAEL to Defeat EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD RIVAL of ISRAEL (Palestinians, Iran, Iraq, Syria/Turkey, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt, etc.)
—> Trump Redeploys ALL CIA Operatives, Mercenaries & Resources from Africa & Mideast to TASK FORCE ISRAEL
—> Trump Deploys ALL Mideast & Africa State Department Operatives & NGOs to TASK FORCE ISRAEL
—> USA sends Monthly Shipments to Israeli Military from its Units at Mideast/African Bases, a Base-and-Unit at a time
—> Trump Redeploys Units to the USA to fight Insurrections/Terrorists as their Weapons are Depleted
—> Trump Closes Bases once their Units have Redeployed Home
4 – Rinse N Repeat “3” above for Non-Military to join Taiwan in Fighting-to-the-Last to “SAVE TAIWAN”
Note: “Redeploying” CIA means to the FRONT LINES, leaving Langley & Overseas “Sites” EMPTY.
If the DEEP STATE wanted it, make them OWN IT … to the Last Man.
Additions:
1 – President Trump drives NATO to “SUSTAIN UKRAINE”
—> Trump has Congress VOTE to AUTOMATICALLY TRANSFER all Military-Industrial Complex related Donations to the “SUSTAIN UKRAINE FUND” until “Peace in Ukraine” with “Removal of Root Causes for Conflicts” has been Unanimously-CERTIFIED by the U.N. Security Council, EU and NATO.
2 – President Trump redeploys Global Intelligence Operatives & Resources to Fight-to-the-Last to “DESTROY the CARTELS & TRAFFICKERS”
—> Trump has Congress VOTE to AUTOMATICALLY TRANSFER all Pharma-Healthcare-Law Enforcement Sector Donations to the “KILL CARTELS FUND” until “Trafficking is Eradicated” with “Removal of Root Causes for Trafficking” have been Unanimously-CERTIFIED by the U.N. Security Council, Mexico & Canada.
3 – President Trump directs rest of DEEP STATE to join Israelis in Fighting-to-the-Last to “SAVE ISRAEL”
—> Trump has Congress VOTE to AUTOMATICALLY TRANSFER all AIPAC and Financial-Sector Donations to the “SAVE ISRAEL FUND” until “Peace in the Mideast” with “Removal of Root Causes for Conflicts” has been Unanimously-CERTIFIED by the U.N. Security Council and every nation Israel has attacked.
4 – Rinse N Repeat “3” above for Non-Military to join Taiwan in Fighting-to-the-Last to “SAVE TAIWAN”
—> Trump has Congress VOTE to AUTOMATICALLY TRANSFER all Tech-Industrial-Consumer Sector Donations to the “SAVE TAIWAN FUND” until “Peace with China” with “Removal of Root Causes for Conflicts” has been Unanimously-CERTIFIED by the U.N. Security Council and Taiwan.
If only BK, if only. But the Susie Wiles of the world, er, dang I mean Valerie Jarrett…oh, who cares, they are one and the same.
There is no force for unification as strong as having an enemy in common.
Just spitballing here, but it would seem that about 95% of humanity has no love for the USIC.
If Trump could lead the world and succeed in this endeavor, he’d be the greatest hero the world has ever known.
We celebrated the bombing of Iran, but isn’t Iran just another IC boogyman?
(distraction from the IC which by and large, IS the boogyman.)
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At ~ 8:15, Rubio hit the nail on the head when he said, the President’s going to do “everything within his power’ to end this war. It isn’t with his power to stop either the key NATO forces (UK, France) nor the USIC to stop Ukraine from fighting, and it’s understandable why Putin is going to keep fighting.
Yes, Rubio knows exactly what’s happening.
Hmmm. Trump does have power over NATO. 100% Tariffs on any country that perpetuates or aids and abets the Ukraine war. Boom. Done.
What’s worse? the IC threats (kompromat) on EU leaders, or losing the US as a trading partner?
That said, the effete “leaders” in EU would likely get that question wrong given their narcissism and the perversions they likely subscribe to.
Somehow the kompromat has to reduced in value to zero. There’s surely a LOT, and it’s just as surely very ugly stuff.
(just expose it all?)
Perhaps as a start for necessary repudiation, the IC could be listed as a terrorist/rogue organization?
(“It happened under my predecessor., you know that walking vegetable, Joe Biden”)
“good guys” if any exist, could be offered an offramp with hardcore vetting and cooperation required.
Military, which is theoretically under CIC Trump, could be barred from any activity requested by the IC.
(taking away their enforcers).
(While defunding IC is necessary, it has been estimated that the preponderance of funding is grey or black)
Again, the congress will never defund, as their secrets will be told.
Trump started peeling this onion 10 years ago.
If he really wants to Make America Great Again, he has no option but to fix this.
MC, I’m starting to wonder whether as far as the IC is concerned, Rubio is the President?
He seems so cool and unruffled about everything. As if he knows he’s the real boss.