The tone, attitude and rhetoric from the group demanding support for Israel-First above all interests, is the same tone, attitude and rhetoric from the group demanding unlimited support for Ukraine…
….. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with you for noticing the similarity.
You are stable, pragmatic and wise. You are also not alone.
The alignment of cheers from the Coliseum crowd for the attack on Iran from both Israel-first and Ukraine-Always groups is slightly unnerving in the way it makes you grimace -quietly- inside.
It is an understandable sense because you do not pretend, nor do you disqualify your intuition.
Perhaps like many, you are comfortably invisible, as you prefer to be, and you observe thoughtfully.
When you attend the July 4th celebration and parade, perhaps you do not join the crowd in gleeful clapping as you watch the latest military type police MRAP vehicles pass by. Instead you think of what they signify, a bigger picture.
You are prudent; yet you do not wish to disrupt the smiles of those who do not carry the same thoughts. It’s ok, you are not alone.
We hope for the best in all things, yet we do not carry the singularities of self-interest that demand conformity to our views or priorities. Those shouting in our ears demanding we clap and smile are not us.
For the recent Iran action, we hope for a ‘one-and-done‘, but we accept the unfortunate reality that hope is not a strategy.
And so we pray….
Love to all,
Steadfast!
~ Sundance
If MAGA is Trump, and Trump ran on ‘No nukes for Iran’ as part of his platform, then, logically, MAGA should also be ‘no nukes for Iran’…..Yes, it is somewhat unnerving to actually have an opinion that coincides, at least superficially, with John Bolton or Lindsey Graham. But sadly, I also see that some of the MAGA pushback has little to do with Iranian nukes, and something to do with negativity about Israel. I’m somewhat surprised, and rather disheartened, with this ongoing theme in the MAGA community that ‘Jews rule the world’, or, want to take it over.
Actually, he ran on “No New Forever Wars.”
It was one of the three main planks of the original MAGA platform going back 10 years, the other two being Immigration and Fair Trade.
This story that he ran on “No nukes for Iran” is Israel propaganda. If he did say it, it was not formalized as part of the MAGA agenda like the No New Wars promise was.
Because you actually can’t have both.
If you promised no new wars, then you can’t guarantee that Iran will never have a nuclear weapon.
Again, the latter is Israeli propaganda.
But you are right in that that is the prevailing sentiment, and the No New Wars promise has been swept under the rug.
And with that, MAGA is now dead.
Trump has gone over to the establishment and the neocons and warmongers.
He didn’t listen to the purest, most ardent MAGA voices that we have — MTG, Tucker, Matt Gaetz, and Steve Bannon — all of whom pleaded with him not to attack Iran.
Downvoting. No new forever wars, Keep America safe, keep America prosperous. That is the Trump doctrine. After enabling and financing terrorism for years (Obama and Crooked Joe) Trump made Iran pay for the continuous threats of Death to America, the killing and maiming of our people all over the world. The daily threat could not continue. Perfect timing. God saved Trump to make the world a safer place.
MAGA is alive and well. Trusting in Trump and his gut instinct–which is better than the entire Republican party put together.
“Death to America” and Obama’s lifelong project to fund Iranian’s nuclear and ICBM programs …
Ending those IS MAGA.
Iranian’s clerical leadership is a death cult.
They think if they keep chanting it, it’ll become more truer.
^^^^^^
Seminar concern troll.
I agree. The same voices loudly opposing US involvement did not oppose funding Ukraine in the same loud anti-war manner.
Because Ukraine didn’t already have Nukes + other WMDs pointing at Allies the US is sworn to defend to our last breathe nor was Ukraine likely to green light Sleeper Cells across the US.
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I wonder at what point the “pacifists” think it would be appropriate to stop a determined Muslim state hell-bent on getting itself into the position in which it can conquer and control more territory for “Allah”.
The history of Islam is 1400 years of doing nothing but that. Once upon a time, most countries in the Middle East (Lebanon, Egypt, Turkey, etc.) were majority Christian. And they’ve repeatedly continued to push in Africa and into Europe.
When should action be taken?
Do we, ostrich-like, pretend and naively “hope for the best” while these self-proclaimed heirs of Mohammed continue his vision of establishing a world-wide Muslim caliphate?
Do we wait until irrationals who indeed are ready to “die for Allah” have the kind of weapons that would enable them to try to carry this out? People who fund terrorism world-wide, who flat-out have refused to enter into nuclear treaties, who lie and obfuscate, smile to out faces and conspire by stealth, civilizational, and violent jihad to ultimately get themselves into a position to do in that Great Satan?
Are most people really that ignorant about what Islam is and intends?
It is the height of provincial arrogance to assume that one’s own values and wants are shared by everyone. In the case of Islam, they are NOT.
(And, by the way, I agree with JBrown. Israel or Jew hate seems to be overshadowing common sense. The world’s Jewish population is maybe 15-16 million. The world’s Muslim population, which grew 20% in the last decade, exceeds 2 billion. But in the distorted Medieval-carryover thinking of some, somehow Israel is the threat.)
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When they remotely have the possibility to fulfill it or we remotely have all that is needed to perform a massive Genocide.
The two known attempts on PDJT’s life were made by men with Ukrainian ties.
Oh yes we did. Getting the US out of stupid pointless wars is a common theme for us.
There is a HUGE amount of daylight between “Jews rule the world” and simply noticing that the modern state of Israel has a uniquely large influence on US politics and foreign policy.
Israel DOES have a lot of influence. AIPAC records definitively prove this.
Having the ability to objectively discern this is NOT the same as saying “Jews rule the world”
For many people Jews have become a scapegoat similar to SnowBall in George Orwell’s “Animal Farm”.
The glaring difference is there’s no way to separate Israel from any deep-rooted faith the includes the Old Testament. No one likes to hear this of course because it brings “religion” into politics. But the root of radical Islam wanting to eliminate the Jews, and the West by extension, is also a part of that. The naive tend to think the Islamic radicals will be happy with the Jews, so we can all just somehow get along if we have some sort of common hatred — not realizing they want the Christians too. What you see is lines drawn based on true, deep faith versus what I’d call “surface faith” that really is secondary to politics (enough “faith” to fit into a political cutout) and the human agenda. Scripture tells us this will not be resolved and will only get worse, with family members turning against family members and massive deceptions, attempting to fool “even the elect.” The entire world will eventually turn against Israel before Jesus returns according to scripture.
In no way did anyone vote for Trump expecting us to be at war again in the ME by June.
Excuse me, by the end of January, I mean.
Direct quote from Kamala –
“If we elect Trump, at least within a 6 month window, we will be at war with 10.”
She knew.
Shoot, I should have voted for Kamala.
Even a drunken sow finds an acorn.
The things you see TODAY is what The May 15th Prophecy been warning you would occur with 100% ACCURACY see https://515loupe.wordpress.com/2025/03/17/515-loupe-3-17-2025/
You are right. Seems to be more anti Jews on the right. Of course, last days speaks about the whole world going against Israel. So the hatred and or dislike and bad attitude toward Israel will continue and grow.
As Alex Berenson wrote on his substack
For those that don’t remember, this is a fairly good symposia of our history with the Islamic Republic of Iran since 1979: https://substack.com/redirect/61dbc639-6aeb-4345-bcd9-60c0ba428b0a?j=eyJ1IjoiZ2RoZWYifQ.33ElwADmtyD1UPDpGss9hlO2JyFBVnvXQ3H3MBT8j78
Lots of good points but something deep inside just tells me this was not a good decision.
its probably because of your viewpoint. what exactly do you think happened.
do you see it as a war on Iran… or a war on facilities… if you think Iran, then thats where your worry comes from (believing something that isnt happening)
What is a war on a facility? 🤔
only the facilities were targeted, not the people. Israel did the same thing. To contrast, WW2 saw civilians targeted for the sheer terror it would create. This is not war. It’s not even a ‘police action.” This is our president keeping his people safe. The rest of the world will benefit from it.
I am of an age to remember the beginning of the Iran terrorism era and now [hoping and praying] that I have seen the end of that same era.
It is indeed a frightful decision, Trump is walking a tightrope between Scylla and Charybdis.
As Sundance points out, I believe “in and out” is the best decision from a limited set of options, all of them bad.
I don’t think Trump is an LBJ, a Bush, a Cheney, or an Obama. He’s trying something new.
Great post, Sundance. Thank you.
“The tone, attitude and rhetoric from the group demanding support for Israel-First above all interests, is the same tone, attitude and rhetoric from the group demanding unlimited support for Ukraine….”
Amen to that!
The big difference is that the Americans who put Ukrainian flags on their social media accounts, and in their home windows don’t claim that Ukrainians are God’s chosen tribe and America must subjugate herself so the chosen ones can run rampant in their neighborhood.
as long as supporting someone is second to our survival.
Sure–those posting the Ukranian flag just believe we should hand them a blank check, as we have been doing and that we should protect THEIR border and not our own. Why don’t they post an American flag on their SM???
Well, Ukrainians aren’t, but their political leaders are.
As much as I support the right of Israel to exist and defend itself, my PRAYER always is, no matter if it is about Ukraine, Russia, China, Iran, Israel, America, Europe, the Congo, Syria, etc etc etc… “Lord, please protect Your people, wherever they may be.” I do believe we have an historical, religious, and spiritual duty to protect Israel, but I’m not God, and I’m not the decision maker. God is the only One who has a clear view of things. That’s where I’m at.
Very well said BF.
can you imagine any other president going to war with the nuclear facilities only and not the country of Iran…
opposite of kiling your young and wasting their young years in war.
Vietnam was especially bad 18 to 20 year Olds were forced into war. Couldn’t vote or buy beer in 21 years of age. Sickening. I was discharged after over 2 years in service. One month shy of my 21st birthday. Terrible way to treat American people. Gracias Dios I didn’t die young.
“going to war with the nuclear facilities”
This wins the award for the most empty headed comment of the day.
By that logic, 9/11 wasn’t a war on America. It was a war on some tall buildings in Lower Manhattan.
It was. And it wasn’t the only time if you’ll recall the van in the basement parking.
A group of people who murdered in the name of who they worship.
Something more than a plane would of been used in a density population area if available.
Again……last on, first off.
he is not only one Hokkoda……
100% agree!!!
I am 🙏 that this conflict is concluded quickly. It would be great if the Iranian people rise up and form a new government with the fanatical self destructive Mullahs.
But blind belief in media talking points/propaganda is foolish. There is no people or nation on earth that is above criticism. As a free American i retain the right to question and criticize anyone. Those who quickly shut down speech or criticism by name calling are not sincere and shills for sure.
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Without the mullahs I mean. A freedom loving secular government would be best.
U.S. media is pathetic.
I guess the FBI will no longer hunt down Catholics
It is good for everyone that the FBI re-orient to real threats like Antifa and Iranian sleeper cells.
Now would be a good time for MSM “panelists” to remind the Libtard Media talking heads and their enablers that Biden IMPORTED 130K or more totally unvetted Afghanis, while at the exact same time leaving the southern border WIDE OPEN for Lord knows who and carrying Lord knows what right into the country. And if all that weren’t enough… THEN he made sure American taxpayers paid for their PLANE TICKETS to get ’em really good ‘n embedded right into the heart of Downtown USA.
Spare me, Blitz. I really… really… REALLY am in no mood.
Pedophiles in positions of power breath easier everywhere.
LOL. That is classic, man, classic!
Persian Crown Prince Reza Pahlavi tweeted this morning:
“Let us not worry about the future after the fall of the Islamic Republic. Iran will not suffer from civil war and instability. We have a plan for Iran’s future and its prosperity. We are ready for the first hundred days after the fall, the transition period, and the establishment of a national and democratic government, for the Iranian people and by the Iranian people.”
https://nitter.space/PahlaviReza/status/1936832576003465473#m
PBD, being Iranian at birth and coming to t USA at the age of 10, has a very compelling outlook/opinion on the situation in Iran. He says the majority of Iranians are ready to be free of these tyrannical religious zealots and waiting for a chance to overthrow this government. Perhaps this is their hour of reckoning
Do you follow his Xwitter?
CROWN PRINCE OF PERSIA
Reza Pahlavi (@PahlaviReza) on X.com/
https://twitter.com/PahlaviReza/with_replies
https://xcancel.com/PahlaviReza/with_replies
“They’ll welcome us as liberators!” – the Bush Administration, circa December 2002.
They did.
Then the religious fanatics got involved.
From an Islamic Republic to a Persian Kingdom!
This is why, in a land that has had tyrants since Ur of the Chaldees, a people must have a king.
The king, you see, protects the people from the government.
The people vote for representatives in Parliament, or for the local city council.
We in the West went from qualified franchise to unrestricted democracy, and look at the results – you can vote in Pride, or groomer gangs, or communists, or Hamas and the Taliban. In the Mideast, Hamas, the Taliban, or the IRGC Basiji will always try to swamp the elections, so one needs a vigilant seperate authority to stop them whenever possible.
Interesting!
Thanks.
Those who do not see the difference between the Ukraine/Russia and Israel/Iran situations are blind fools.
Some various population numbers:
Israel population is about 9.1 million…less than the state of IL….Iran Population is about 92.4 million.
{California pop. estimates at 39 million…NY, estimates at 20 million (2024).}
Russia 143 million….Ukraine…38.9 million…India 1.5 Billion with a “B”.
US of A….347 million…
That’s a lot of people to be mad at each other….and fighting…
Your last sentence mirrors the thought process of Kristen Walker and Margaret Brennan.
It is completely erroneous.
Well, am not a lib so that said….funny things those facts.
As are those who do not see the commonalities
lol, that’ll win people over 🙄
Do you believe that is the point?
Ukraine was to be the Second Israel, Zelensky said so himself.
One thing the Jews do that nobody notices, is they maintain a remarkably stable core population of about 15-20 million globally.
The Arab nations surrounding Israel do not. Egypt alone has gone from 20 million in 1948 to 110 million today. “The womb is our weapon,” said Arafat; all of the surrounding Muslim nations have had a five-fold population explosion. In one or two more generations, Israel might be overrun.
Nuland’s way is the way they do these things, they have had millenia of experience. Even Israel was not their first home.
Several thousand of the elites who fled Jerusalem’s fall in 70 and 135 AD fled to their colony on the northern leg of the Silk Road, where they made a living in brokering wheat/silver exchange rates. (Yes, they were even bankers in Nebuchadnezzar’s New Babylon.) This area was in what we now call the Ukraine; Donetsk-Lugansk was also the Pale of Settlement, their autonomous Russian fiefdom.
So they have a historical footprint there; since Israel was a British counter to Iran’s historic gateway on the southern leg of the Silk Road, it makes sense to have a similar second home to run to if Israel is lost. Now that the Ukrainian project is foundering, Bibi and the Mizrahi* have decided to make their stand.
*Bibi was born in Poland, next door to Ukraine; the Mizrahi are the Jews who never left Jerusalem or Israel, even after the Romans took it. They are the ones who are having the children, as well, so Bibi sees them as the future.
I was sick of Israel after 9/11. My best friend is 100% disabled from our stupid wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The treatment he gets from the VA is abysmal ! Right now he’s getting intravenous antibiotics for an infection he’s been fighting since ‘16 when he picked it up in the military hospital. They did surgery on him while the infection was active and he nearly died a couple of weeks ago. ! If he hadn’t been pushed out of the VA hospital and into private care he likely would’ve died. All this to say f’ Israelis foreign policy wars and MIC wars ! I didn’t vote for war for Israel and feel completely betrayed !
Further , I’ve been thinking about all of our wars and who we fight for. Why did we pick a side in WWI and WWII ? We rescued the country that we fought to be free from twice ! The British murdered thousands of our people and burned our capital ! With friends like Israel and Britain who needs enemies ? We saved Britain from defeat twice ? Why ? I notice we saved a banking cartel…Same people in Israel ! We owe them nothing but malice ! Once you see the strings…
I only know of a handful that received what they needed from the VA. Now if they/the rest of the VA would only live up to the promise.
“care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan” embodies the nation’s promise to all who wear the uniform, a promise VA and its predecessor administrations have kept ever since the Civil War.”
After Pearl Harbor it was easy to pick a side!!
Blocking oil to Japan might of made one think all the boats in one bathtub wasn’t exactly brilliant military strategy
Roosevelt knew the Japanese navy was headed to Hawaii. Prior knowledge of the attack. I think the Australians gave the USA a 3 day heads-up.
Friend, they have been with us since Mesopotamia and before, since the Aryans were driven by the increasing cold down the neck of the Caucasus and into what we call the Mideast. Iran was the land of the Medes, Persians, and Parthians, people with fair skin and light-colored eyes; southwest was the kingdom of the Elamites, where the Aryan and Semitic peoples mixed.
Well said.
JUNE 22 2025
ynet news
‘If Khamenei stops the fire, we’ll accept that’:
Israel signals readiness to end war with Iran
[…]Less than a day after the US strike, Israel signals it’s open to ending the war
[…]Israeli officials signaled Sunday that the country is prepared to halt its military campaign against Iran if Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei ceases hostilities and seeks a resolution to the conflict.
[…]Security sources in Israel estimate that hundreds of kilograms of enriched nuclear material were destroyed in the attacks
[…]“If tomorrow Khamenei stops the fire and says he wants to end this — we will accept that,” an Israeli official said.
[…]“The defense establishment believes the Iranians were unable to remove significant quantities of enriched material ahead of the strike,”
[…]Regime change was never the objective.
[…]“For now, we’re watching to see what Khamenei does,” officials said.
“If he draws the Americans into the conflict, that’s one scenario. If he only targets Israel, that’s another.
[…] From Paris to Rome to New York, the world now understands what could happen if this spreads.
We are a democracy, not a dictatorship — and we don’t kill civilians.”
[…]Where are the War Cabinet ministers right now?
“They’re in a secure bunker — and sleeping there.
Their families are elsewhere, in undisclosed safe locations. Only the ministers are in the bunker. Even Sara Netanyahu is not staying there.”
https://www.ynetnews.com/article/rkgin2bege
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….may be related to the risk of massive fireworks if an Iranian missile were to hit them
https://x.com/MenchOsint/status/1936750293242224899
Wow…am still remembering the Wemo’s in LA, that were torched…and that was only 3? 5?….
Lithium ignites fairly easily and the fire cannot be extinguished with water.
As they should. Israel does not need tourists milling about who are not familiar with air raid protocol.
Pastor Paula White – Trump’s Senior Advisor to the White House Faith Office
Victory, victory, victory, victory …
Hamanda, ata, rata,
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Who in America can translate this sect messages to the world?
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Muslim Shites are not like the Sunnis…
…they are a very gregarious species
MAY 2025
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...and they have very strange bloody rituals
JULY 2024
She’s very enthusiastic.
You have a talent for understatement…
For a moment I though the vid was glitching!
Well, I’m glad that they really thought this through.
IF YOU’RE GOING TO REGIME CHANGE, THEN YOU NEED TO REGIME CHANGE.
Israel Iran War News LIVE updates:
Iran FM says ready to ‘consider’ diplomacy ‘once the aggression is stopped’ – The Economic Times
https://m.economictimes.com/news/newsblogs/israel-iran-war-news-conflict-live-updates-air-strikes-benjamin-netanyahu/liveblog/121858741.cms
Sounds to me like they are running low on countermissiles; Iran has 15 times what they have, and produces 10 more per day. Iran could launch 10 strikes per day and never run out, by that metric. China has cut off the rare earths needed in those alloys and circuit parts. Iran also has 9 times their population, shielded by both the Zagros Mountains and the distance across the Arab lands.
The good news is that even Hezbollah is standing down. After all those billions invested in Hezbollah, they are sitting on their hands when they were created by Iran to rise up at this point. Those corrupt mullah mafiosi have got to be steamin’.
With mercenary armies in four countries, why is it that no one accuses Iran of being a “colonizer”?
All this tells me that Israel need to get this done and over quickly. No “vice-roys”, no dinking around, no pallets of cash or stealing the gold. Trump ain’t planning on sticking around.
And, that no one should ever believe what diplomats are saying. Israel is wisely killing off the mafia bosses- eliminate them, and you eliminate the mafia. You bet your sweet bippy “regime change”, but not some disastrous Intelligence/Blackrock puppet. The mafia lieutenants will easily work for a good boss as much as they would for a bad boss, and we have a good boss waiting in the wings.
This is not a regime change. This is a Restoration, an authentic liberation.
Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis are about to get a extreme pay cut.
(Don’t quibble with me about Qatar. Qatar don’t pay Hamas rent, its the other way around.)
@sundance Hear! Hear!
It gets interesting:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/russian-leader-claims-multiple-countries-prepped-provide-iran-nuclear-weapons-following-us-strikes
And…she seems quiet, lately:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gabbard-situation-room-iran-still-key-player-despite-trump-saying-she-wrong-intel
A lot of effort went into creating a distraction from the actual plans, I’ve begun to wonder if the supposed disagreement between Tulsi Gabbard and President Trump was designed to play into that, rather than the divisive effort I assumed it was by the lying media.
More likely she was telling them it’s a bad idea privately.
Not everyone believes we can bomb the world into submission.
Perhaps excluding her was to prevent leaks to the IC.
She is one of PDJT’s biggest supporters, and he fiercely defended her during her hearings, there is no lack of trust between the two of them, her loyalty is the same as PDJT’s, to the USA.
I was puzzled, with her statement about Iran and nukes…again, over my paygrade at the kitchen table…
Trump said two weeks, also. It’s okay to lie to liars, since they do that to us.
This is the Middle East. Lying is a daily way of life there. Trump is speaking to them in their own language, they can read between the lines.
The Musk, Tucker, Tulsi thing? That’s called kayfabe; Vince McMahon of the WWF (wrestling) was Trump’s arch enemy, Trump even shaved his head.
You see, this way people can bring out the common people’s complaints. The Boss then gets to reassert his dominance, showing that he’s still the one in charge. That’s what people are really asking when the grumbling starts. They want reassurance that the leader knows what he’s doing.
With so many plates in the air, you have to get the biggest priorities first – sorry, Bibi, you ain’t gonna be able to force his hand this time, as hard as you’re trying. We all know you’re just using us. We haven’t forgotten that little “like a dried up husk” comment you sneered.
JUNE 22 205
twitter RepMTG
My thoughts on bombing Iran.
I don’t know anyone in America who has been the victim of a crime or killed by Iran, but I know many people who have been victims of crime committed by criminal illegal aliens or MURDERED by Cartel and Chinese fentanyl/drugs.
Almost everyone in our country can relate to this fact.
However America has not dropped bunker busters on the Cartel’s sophisticated drug tunnels, launched tomahawks on massive cartel poisonous drug operations, or gone to war against the cartels international terrorists networks.
Neocon warmongers beat their drums of war and act like Billy badasses going to war in countries most Americans have never seen and can’t find on a map, but never find the courage to go to war against the actual terrorists who actually do kill Americans, invade our land, and make BILLIONS doing it day after day, year after year.
I’m 51 years old. I’m GenX.
I’ve watched our country go to war in foreign lands for foreign causes on behalf of foreign interests for as long as I can remember. I was in 10th grade when Desert Storm started and my father before me was sent to Vietnam, another senseless foreign war.
America is $37 TRILLION in debt and all of these foreign wars have cost Americans TRILLIONS AND TRILLIONS of dollars that never benefited any American.
American troops have been killed and forever torn apart physically and mentally for regime change, foreign wars, and for military industrial base profits.
I’m sick of it.
I can easily say I support nuclear armed Israel’s right to defend themselves and also say at the same time I don’t want to fight or fund nuclear armed Israel’s wars.
Nor any other country for that matter.
I’m sick of funding foreign aid and foreign countries and foreign everything.
I want to fund American interests and issues.
I want GREAT trade deals so American businesses and people can afford goods and be successful.
I want low inflation and low interest rates.
I want American construction, housing, and manufacturing to BOOM.
I want Americans to be rich and have security in their future.
I want my children’s generation to HAVE A GREAT FUTURE!!!
My kids are 22, 25, and 27.
It pisses me off beyond comprehension that my children’s generation can’t afford to buy a house, can’t afford insurance, and have little hope for their future!!!
Americans are exhausted by all of this and rightfully so.
I can also support President Trump and his great administration on many of the great things they are doing while disagreeing on bombing Iran and getting involved in a hot war that Israel started.
That’s not disloyalty. Critical thinking and having my own opinions is the most American thing ever.
Because contrary to what brainwashed Democrat boomers say, Trump is not a king, MAGA is not a cult, and President Trump has surrounded himself with people who once disagreed with him and even ran against him for President.
Also the same Democrats in Congress that are all of sudden clutching their pearls about Trump bombing Iran FULLY SUPPORTED AND VOTED TO FUND Dementia ridden Biden’s proxy war against Russia in Ukraine and stood by Biden’s disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan.
Hypocrites is all they are and they are just desperately trying to find solid ground to oppose Trump on because so far they’ve failed at grasping anything yet.
Now what has been done is done and Americans now fear Iranian terrorists attacks on our own soil and being dragged into another war by Netanyahu when we weren’t even thinking about any of this a week ago.
We don’t know what the future holds and I pray for the safety of all people and an end to the constant demand for America to go to war.
Enough is enough.
https://x.com/RepMTG/status/1936844893655020017
I like her for her ability to relate to average Americans…at moments like these….I got triggered here in her post…
My grandson lost his daddy to a fentanyl laced heroin overdose. My grandson was about 5. When he saw his daddy in the casket…I cannot begin to describe the horror he expressed… of his not understanding death and his daddy not ‘waking up’.
Getting clean is no easy task….and every OD is usually worse than the one before until…until…until there are no more….
My aunt and uncle returned from my sister’s wedding to find their son dead on the living room floor from that stuff. My mom
and other sister were there when they walked in and found him.
Our priorities as a country are just effed.
We don’t tell Sheinbaum to eliminate the drug trade or we start dropping 30,000lb bombs on drug factories in Mexico.
Iran could nuke a medium sized midwestern city and not kill as many Americans as the Mexicans have.
A beautiful day marred by such tragedy. I am so sorry for your family. My SIL was also found on the floor…
Its a sick world that allows this stuff to continue…
This kid had many attempts at rehab…they don’t keep the patients long enough to pass thru the second phase of withdrawal which can be pretty intense…so I also blame big Medical Industrial Complex and the medical treatment known as “The Wallet Biopsy”.
By the time they hit rehab, they have no job, no insurance benefits, no money, no drugs…
Regime change in Mexico doesn’t get the airtime that it deserves.
Yep. We spend more money in a few hours trying to blow up a mountain than we’ve spent all month destroying the Mexican drug cartels.
Prioritie$ of DC…
The cartels buy influence to get what they want. AIPAC buys what they want.
Somewhere in Al Gore’s internet, yesterday, there was an article of a tunnel that ran straight from Mexico to a warehouse in the US….
That has to stop.
I agree with MTG
“…I don’t know anyone in America who has been the victim of a crime or killed by Iran, but I know many people who have been victims of crime committed by criminal illegal aliens or MURDERED by Cartel and Chinese fentanyl/drugs… ”
I believe you.
Even though you, or others, may not know them,
there are survivors of Desert Shield (Iraq) that were attacked
by so called Iraq’ees, – that iran was funding, using as its proxies
to kill, injure u.s. soldiers – that yes, probably should not have even been there, but were (serving their country).
Improvised Explosive devices (IED) were buried in roads, and soldiers were maimed (many killed).
Someone may have noticed a wounded warrior from time to time, that has since integrated back into the U.S. society (they too could be in their 50’s by now).
All gave some,
some gave their all.
(and many times, that option, that difference, was not within their control. But, they work to make the best of it… )
p.s.
and yes, the illegal drugs are a tragedy – and people choosing, or not choosing to get entangled with those is beyond sad.
The not rational choices people make during less than mature ages, are sad – and many times, life time costly.
Efforts to get those options out of the public are ongoing. (deportation of illegal immigrants etc.)
Sadly, some selfishly like the money (instead of virtues)…and the problem persists…
Love thy neighbors
This analysis describes some, but not all Israel-focused US Jews. I am MAGA Jew. I am for allowing Israel to deal with its problems. I am for the latest bombing, and do not see it as Israel-first because it does not put America second. It is a false dichotomy. Things, including US support for Israel, can be good for both. For the record, I am against US involvement with Ukraine as it was transparently invited by US statements regarding Ukraine joining NATO.
I would never demand the US use its GBU 57 against Fordo. I am glad it did, but had Trump decided it was not in the US interest, that would be fine as well.
Israel has legitimate issues with being attacked by Iran’s proxies. It has been official US policy to support Israel with military equipment for a long time, decades, and the fact Israel used that support for the intended purpose of defending against Iran does not make Israel supporters Israel-first as it in no way goes against US policy. So the twin evils of Jewish warhawks and Israel-first Jews is, in my opinion, lazy.
The current Iranian regime is no friend to us. They hate the West and America in particular. They have been calling for “Death to America” for decades. All other arguments aside, when would it be best to deter Iran’s plans for destruction of Israel and the U.S., before they develop a nuclear weapon or after?
As for the Ukraine/Russia war, we do not need to be involved in that. Let them work it out. Let Europe deal with it. Europe is already on a collision course with their own demise due to unchecked immigration.
And no one over there, seems to give a rat’s ass, but the working class who have no representation.
Iran has been hating us because we’ve been interfering in their country and in their backyard for nearly a century. Not to their benefit and to support people who they hate. And look at what we just did.
If we pulled out of the Middle East and stop giving blank checks to Israel, Iran would likely no longer have a problem with us. If Communist Vietnam can like us again, why not Iran?
Neville Chamberlain.
There is a two part problem to learning from history. The first part is that people refuse to learn their history and learn from its mistakes. The second part is that people end up making new mistakes when they try too hard to avoid repeating its mistakes.
This is not the same situation. Not every dictator is a genocidal maniac bent with a racial ideology who is bent on world domination. And if you treat every possible conflict as if that were the case, then you will make negotiations and compromise impossible and pointless wars inevitable.
“For the recent Iran action, we hope for a ‘one-and-done‘, but we accept the unfortunate reality that hope is not a strategy.”
Will it be “one-and-done”?
That’s mainly up to the Iranian Mullahs.
President Trump has been very clear about that.
So, endless war is now an Iranian policy choice. That’s awesome. Lockheed can’t wait.
Thanks for carrying the water today Hokkoda as we continue to be aligned.
Hokkoda isn’t worth the effort to reply to anymore.
Well, that would take a consistent set of principles…so I understand your frustration.
470.66 at Friday’s close of market. DOW futures will be interesting.
Time for a UAE canal???
Nope…time for “Warp Speed” the “Drill Baby Drill” and getting those refineries…refining….
For President Trump, Iran is unfinished business, one of many such problems, which festered over his missing four years. Years stolen from him.
To paraphrase the fake news during the summer protests and riots of 2020.
It was a mostly peaceful bombing.
Nah….”Some people did something”….
Certainly the retroactive rationale, going forward.
I am America-First. At the same time, I recognize Israel’s place in this world relative to God’s plan for humanity & our own prosperity as a nation. While I acknowledge there are many on this so-called Israel-First side who are not of such pure motives, too many people are either ignorant of these things, simply don’t care, or worse. I thank God we have a President who is not one of them.
Let us try to evince some of the faith that has been expended on these pages that President Trump has been placed here for such a time as this & is being led by God, & not give in to dark imaginings, as Sundance calls it.
May God bless & keep President Trump & our great military.
In the 45 admin, PDJT said other countries should be making their own countries great again as he spoke to the voter mandate here, to MAGA.
Well, we are living in interesting times and history.
Meanwhile, the Davos Crew snaps its fingers + gets Mobilization instantaneously in streets across the nation….
— We’ll get em in the Mid-Terms, FOR SURE…!!!!,
Then when we get — a Bigger Majority — THEN!!! — Watch Out!!!!
Game Over + high-5s will abound….
Trump is a steadfast peace maker he does not run with the shadow government he is draining. This move removes the Israel and Iran conflict from the globalist table. It is a brilliant peace move from a steadfast peace maker. Peace through strength.
Now is the TIME for peace.
To everything there is a season, and a time for every purpose under heaven
A time to love and a time to hate,
a time for war and A TIME FOR PEACE
Ecclesiastes 3:1,8
Funny that…in 1974…that was the theme of my HS year book…my HS was down in the Canal Zone and it was a federal type enterprise…how times have changed…
A time for war and a time for peace…
I’ve seen just enough of the mockingbird media smear Trump at all costs disagreeing with the success of the mission to find myself questioning … even though of course I know their goal, their sole goal, is in no way to inform, but only to demean President Trump. Always.
After church I finally watched this morning’s press conference with Secretary Hegseth and General Caine; the overwhelming intricacy of this operation was breathtaking!!!! Whether you agree or disagree that it needed to happen you absolutely have to give kudos to one of the most amazing operations probably in the history of the world. Over 125 planes used with no hitch. Which again adds to the brilliance of the plan and the shock that it was able to maintain operational security.
The big question, what happens next? Either we’ve just stirred up a hornet’s nest and set the whole world on fire or we’ve tamped down things for a long time to come.
The jury’s still out.
Good place to share this
Saddam had WMDs.
(We facilitated that…)
So has Iran.
We make it so bleeping easy for them….
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My thought on the flagpole ceremony was that it was symbolic. President Trump was staking out his ‘territory’ in that, in the past, other presidents allowed other interests beyond ‘America’ infiltrate our WH, but he will not allow that.
At the end of his announcement last night, he appeared choked up, as though he might have not wanted to do what he did but had to on two fronts: to stop nuclear weapons advancement in Iran, and to give Bibi the rope to hang from if the IDF cannot keep Israel safe from here on out.
Plus, it seemed like a kick in the teeth to all the elites who invested in their bunkers for their own safety: that message was, ‘What good will they be if you really need them?’
As President Trump started to speak, Rubio looked a bit scared, but he seems to have stiffened up his spine some since then.
Remember when he was talking about not running to retain his Senate seat a few years back, and our VSGPDJT talked him into seeking re-election?
I think that Rubio was so sickened by what he saw in the SSIC that he wanted nothing more to do with it. Perhaps a deal was made then for Rubio to leverage his awareness at that level to get what he really wants: to retire to FL so he can follow his son’s football career . . .
Hegseth had just a touch more gleefulness on his face than I would have liked to seen, but he ‘re-expressioned’ his face soon enough.
Besides, my grandfather, a WWI vet would get that look himself sometimes when he recounted FAFO situations from his time in the war. I suppose it is a coping mechanism . . .
JD Vance and his furrowed brow was the most disconcerting, to me.
He looked like he was channeling his best Ron-duh! impression . . .
#1. The President did not obtain a declaration of war from Congress for this attack. This idea that U.S. Presidents can just bomb and attack any country they choose to with no debate or legal process needs to end. You cannot be a country of laws and not men when the Supreme Law of the Land is constantly ignored.
#2. The U.S. drafted a treaty which was adopted by the U.N. and ratified by the U.S. Senate. It is in effect now. That Treaty requires us to notify the U.N. Security Council and begin talks prior to attacking another signatory country.
#3. This attack was done at the behest of Israel and in that country’s interest. The U.S. and Israel have said that part out loud. It is obvious that we are a conquered country and are in the control of foreign interests. Those interests neither take into consideration nor do they care in the least about the survival of America.
+ those Foreign (& Domestic) Interests – far above + beyond the Ethnic Group spelled with 3 letters – want us to- & our Nation — Dead/Crippled…
The WEF even spelled it out in its WEF 8 Predictions for 2030…
But – It’s All Good…
We’re Winning + Can’t be Beat….so Why Bother…????
You should read the Constitution again. The reason we have a President is to act. The reason we have a congres is to debate.
And the reason we have politicians is to make money off foreign lobbyists and defense contractors
The Constitution states that CONGRESS declares war. Not the President. Perhaps it is you who should reread.
When you declare war, you commit troops. That was the Founder’s understanding.
And really–you think 435 mostly knuckleheads (535 if you count the Senate) could come to a majority agreement to declare war TODAY? Half of them can’t/won’t define what a woman is……
Well perhaps we should change the Constitution to prohibit imbeciles from serving in the Senate and the HOR. I would be all in favor of that but alas it is what it is.
To spell it out, the founders intended that Congress take up the issue of war, define the boundaries and goals of such war, specify those in a Declaration of War and deliver that declaration to the President. The President then carries out those goals with his executive powers.
Oh and I am pretty sure that the founders, if around today, would consider the bombing of another country with 32,000 lb bombs an act of war.
I don’t recall, did George Bush get Congressional permission? It was my understanding that he let them know, after the fact.
Bush used the fig leaf that Congress had given him authority for his wars by authorizing the funding. But no, he did not either. It was wrong then and it is wrong now. The subsequent military actions in the ME have been said to be authorized by that original “authorization” for Bush.
It is a farce.
Yes, Bush got permission from Congress. In fact, Nancy Pelosi and her Democrats demanded a second vote because on the first vote, they voted “no” and got incredible blowback from the people. The second time, the Dems voted in the affirmative.
OK. But no declaration. Perhaps you are right. Maybe they are just too stupid to put a declaration together.
#1. Agree. That also applies to prior U.S. Presidents, including the funding / providing equipment / providing intelligence / 3rd party fighters of a proxy war in ukr.
A U.S. letter was sent to Iran over 60 days ago, suggesting honest negotiations.
Has Iran requested, or received, a u.n. ok to develop materials etc. for a nuclear weapon.? 60% enriched uranium is not needed for an electric power facility.
A declaration was not requested. There is no U.S. war with Iran. There is no desire for U.S. war by the current U.S. administration.
There is a desire for an honest trade agreement. Does that need an o.k. with the u.n.?
(but by U.S. providing ukr billion$ etc. over 3 years, is that a non u.s. war declaration – killing thousands of people each week? How about iran making provisions for hezbollah, houthis, hamas, funding etc. terrorism for decades, is that an o.k. non war declaration?
#2 what notification has the u.s. provided the U.N. regarding ukr (as a U.S. proxy) to attack russia, for years ? Russia is U.N. signatory country.
#3 The U.S. and many countries in the middle east have a vested interest in peace. Other countries have allowed U.S. bases in their countries because of Irans ongoing terror acts via its proxies. People know. They want to be defended and not continuously threatened by iran (or its proxies).
After over 1.5 years, the people taken from Israel on Oct. 7th 2023, still have not all been returned by a iran proxy. Some remains of hostages have been returned, some famished, alive hostages have been returned. A lot of patience, time and efforts have been exerted to get hostages returned. Israel has traded A LOT of hamas captives, for hostages.
When a group of people (miss leaders of iran and its proxies) declares that another group should be annilated, is that loving thy neighbor? [ someone else had that kind of notion a 100 years ago, and appeasements for years, did not work, things got worse. People know. And it was VERY costly to thwart the mess. ]
There is a right to self defense, and sometimes the games people play, the one upmanship games, can become dangerous to both entities that play those games – especially if a weapon is in the hand of someone with less than rational idea(s). So, set the weapon aside… (sometimes easier said, than done).
It can help to learn from history,
to help prevent history repeating itself in some other form at a later time.
(sometimes easier said, than done – especially with the miss educations, yet high cost, going on for several decades in the u.s. along with the miss media. Maybe that is correctable ? : ) )
imho
There is no U.S. war with Iran.
Really? In fact we have been goading Iran for over 60 years. They are the 7th country, I believe that we set out to overthrow after 9/11. Also when you bomb a country is that not war?
There is a desire for an honest trade agreement. Does that need an o.k. with the u.n.?
The Iranians had already agreed to have Russia take possession of their 60% enriched Uranium. Trump walked away from the deal because Bibi did not want it.
what notification has the u.s. provided the U.N. regarding ukr (as a U.S. proxy) to attack russia, for years ? Russia is U.N. signatory country.
The situation in Ukraine is illegal from the get go. We stated the war after all. We also have special forces participating in the fighting so yes, it falls in the same category. Trump should get all U.S. personnel out of Ukraine and stop all funding. Notice that a pretty good deal was offered by the Russians very recently. Trump did not take it.
After over 1.5 years, the people taken from Israel on Oct. 7th 2023, still have not all been returned by a iran proxy. Some remains of hostages have been returned, some famished, alive hostages have been returned. A lot of patience, time and efforts have been exerted to get hostages returned. Israel has traded A LOT of hamas captives, for hostages.
Hamas is backed and funded by Qatar not Iran. But we love us some Qatar don’t we. Especially when they buy airplanes for the President. Also 10/07/23, was a green flag attack for the purpose of the greater Israel project. Please don’t tell me that Israel could completely bring Hezbollah to its’ knees but the 5th rate terror organization Hamas completely fooled them.
The bottom line is we had a deal with Iran for them to give up their highly enriched Uranium. The Russians were going to help us with that. We walked away from it in service to Netanyahu’s psychotic plans.
Very well said, and timely.
Pray unceasingly.
While often dismissed, I am curious as to what other countries are putting out there today at the emergency meeting of the UN Security Council, and what Dorothy Shea presents there as our acting Ambassador to the UN.
Currently live, starting about 40 minutes prior to this post time.
So far, in my opinion, the most adversarial commentaries have come from China and Russia, with most other countries I’ve listened to focusing more on de-escalation and verification of the nuclear facilities and materials by the IAEA.
I’m now caught up to Dorothy Shea, about 25 minutes ago in the stream.
I’ll just add this.
If the logic of those supporting this US bombing — as opposed to Israel taking out these Iranian facilities themselves — is that only the US could do it …
… then the Israelis clearly knew the exact same thing when they first designed this preemptive attack on Iran many months ago.
Which can only mean that drawing the US into the battle, one the Israelis conceived, prepared, and commenced, was built into their plan from the very beginning.
It was a preemptive attack on a deadly foe. But it was also a strategic ambush on a faithful ally.
PDJT is dependable and loyal to America’s allies, asking only fundamental fairness towards America in return, and is first and foremost by his own admission, a peacemaker, not a war maker.
As disruptive, dangerous, hostile and destructive a regime as Iran currently is to America and the west, that sort of war planning — designed to strategically coerce America’s participation into an Israeli operation — is not the mark of an ally that can be entirely trusted.
Except perhaps to certain internal IC and MIC interests here that may have collaborated with them.
I believe that in his heart and his careful judgment as CIC, PDJT made on balance the correct decision. He is not a war monger. And yet he could not let the Israeli operation fail once they had started it. It had to succeed. A true Hobson’s Choice.
Now the requests and demands for more from him, and from America, may begin to ramp up, as the inevitable retaliation and the consequences of a destabilized Iran, a major petroleum supplier to China, develop.
I pray for and trust PDJT, and especially so in his continued reverence for God and peace in these matters, to quickly navigate America through this latest armed confrontation that he so earnestly hoped to resolve peacefully. That it is still ultimately resolved, peacefully for America.
And to not fall further into the traps of escalation that now await him, and us. No boots on the ground here, Mr. President. America First.
First we’re at war with Russia , a proxy war and one we can’t seem to get ourselves out of. (How hard is it to tell Ukraine to pound sand?) Now with Iran for the benefit of Israel. Russia and Iran are allies. They’re also allies with China. My fear is China joining up because it now impacts them. Welcome to WW3. I’m praying g this doesn’t turn into a mess. Also remember Israel is God’s to worry about and defend. In the last days they will have no allies and enemies will march on them to destroy them. The remnant that God saves will come from what is there now. He will save them militarily and spiritually but only HE will. No other nation will come to their aid. We would be better off praying for their deliverance and safety than sending our sons and daughters over to die for this current crop of ungodly people.
I wish you were in a position to advise President Trump Cynthia. Although he would probably give you the Tulsi Gabbard treatment as well.
My thoughts are this…
The reason why the same groups are cheerleading is simple…
War is profitable….
However, there is a STARK difference between our intervention in Ukraine vs the current kerfuffle with Iran…
I am old enough to remember and UNDERSTAND the events of the 1979 hostage crisis….
I am old enough to remember how USELESS and FEEBLE Jimmy Carter, our former worst POTUS, was….
I am old enough to remember the Beirut bombing of PEACE KEEPERS…243 unprovoked murders of US Military personal….
I am old enough to remember C-130s with body bags of Marines killed in Iraq from IEDs made in Iran…
I am old enough to know a true enemy and one made on purpose, for profit….
Like it or not, we have been at war with Iran since 1979….
I MY opinion, it’s time to end it…with the world as winners…
I have no sympathy for the Mulla class in Iran, they are a TRUE enemy…
I do hope the Iranian people take care of it themselves…
And when they do….
Show them…
NO MERCY!
I don’t like saying this because the U.S. Marines are the greatest in my book.
The 1979, crisis was bad indeed but it was the end result of our overthrowing Iran’s Government in 1954. We just can’t help ourselves. Not to say that those Iranians who participated were anything but criminals.
In Beirut those Marines were attacked because Reagan ordered the U.S.S. New Jersey to shell some of the factions in their bases. Reagan was said to be giddy at the prospect of using the Battleships’ big guns to hit whatever faction the U.S. was targeting. Those shells from the New Jersey were indeed devastating. In the end however it cost all of those Marines their lives. Reagan, to his credit, later admitted it was a terrible mistake to put the Marines in that position.
Now this will be very hard to say but I say it with the upmost respect for all of you Marines. GW Bush ordered the invasion of Iraq on false pretenses. The various groups in Iraq who opposed us cannot be said to universally possess honor. However we were the invaders. I suspect that if the U.S. was invaded and the invaders defeated the official military, you and I would be considered “insurgents” to the invaders while we did what we could to save our country. Not that I could do so anywhere near as good as a Marine but you get my point.
So the Shiite factions in Iraq asked for help from their counterpart religionists in Iran. The Iranians did help them in that effort. It is a great tragedy that many soldiers and Marines were killed and maimed. It was a great tragedy that they were sent there in the first place. That is why we should never go to war without good reason. Bush lied us into to war and our warriors had to pay the price.
God Bless you and all our warriors Retired USMC. I am ashamed that the country I am a citizen of so badly misused and abused all of you.
Depending on where you snap the chalk line, we’re going to able to start calling this “the thirty years war”…or we’re already at “the 40 years war”…approaching 50…
Happy birthday, Endless War. 😃
So much self delusion today. Have you noticed many of us are now in the Lyndsey Graham camp? We have no strategy or plan and when do we say the war is over?
Everyone I talked to yesterday was delusional. They told me Ukraine is winning, Russia is losing millions of men, Israel is winning and has only suffered a few minor missile strikes while they are destroying Iran.
Is there another delusional thought that says if you don’t support Israel you don’t get into heaven? Or God will curse your country for not defending Israel?
I don’t know about the rest of you, but I was never for supporting Ukraine with arms or money, yet I support what President Trump has done, bombing to stop the Iran nuclear arms buildup.
So Lindsey Graham was for war in both places, but most of us normal people are not and never were! I reject being lumped in with Ukraine flag wavers, because they were laundering money for themselves there (those in Congress supporting that war).
Some people seem to be, in effect, wishing that Biden or Harris was President so that there would have been no strikes on the Mullah’s nuclear facilities.
I will not desert the President. But I cannot see the bombing of Iran as a good thing. Israel pulled the US into its conflict, and the President acquiesced to the warmongers. I’m surprised at that. Certainly, there is more to this than what us plebes can see, which is why I will him the benefit of the doubt. Israel needs to be hot on regime change (not us) or the nuclear program will reconstitute. Maybe China will step-in and give Iran a hand. Hope the President gets some benefit of giving up “no new wars” position and bombing Iran. Let’s see if the BBB gets passed as he wants it.
If the President really paid a MOAB ransome to the Senate so they would pass the BBB count on the same happening for every piece of legislation. Next up more blank checks for Zelensky.
I’m very thankful we don’t have the Autopen or Drunk Cackles in the WH anymore.
Didn’t Hillary broker a uranium deal with Iran, Obama gave them billions on pallets and the Autopen unfroze billions more all while Iran chanted death to America?
Looks to me like President Trump may have Hulk Smashed it all.
Anyone on the “this is not about regime change” bandwagon is delusional. The REGIME was enriching uranium. The REGIME built the underground facilities. The REGIME killed all those U.S. service members with IEDs. The REGIME’s policy is death to Israel and America. If you dont change the REGIME the can has only been kicked down the road a bit. This is absolutely about regime change and Trump knows it. He just can’t say it.
Suddenly, Zelensky and the Ukraine ( or what’s left of it) are no longer relevant. Let’s keep it that way.
Another thoughtful perspective:
https://open.substack.com/pub/thetruthaboutcancerofficial/p/biblical-israel-vs-modern-israel?r=p9uxo&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=false
WE are just fighting for the rules-based World Order. Heh.
This is a terrible event that will end a promising Presidency.
America first, middle and last.
Israel is a key ally, but their business is not our business. Sometimes our interests overlap, usually they don’t. I don’t love them and I don’t hate them – I only love America.
As for those who reference the Bible as a guide to foreign policy and proof for why and how much we should support Israel – that’s nuts … crazy … stupid all wrapped into one belief.
Decided to ask GROK which Ayatollah “Supreme Leaders” have threatened the USA and why.
🤔 Anyone know why Ayatollah Leaders would take offense to the USA’s
• 1953 overthrow of Iran’s Monarch to install the Shah as a puppet
… after USA & British lost control of Iran’s Oil & Gas when Iran nationalized-for-sovereignty
• 1980-1988 support of Iraq’s war on Iran with 217k Iranian Fatalities
… [followed by USA’s successive wars to take down Iraq]
• 1988 downing of an Iranian airline flight killing 290
• 2011 sanctions to strangle their economy and spark domestic dissent
• 2018 reimposition of sanctions leading to economic protests ?
How can anyone think that allowing a muslim theocratic state acquire nuclear weapons would be a good idea for the rest of the world? This is the main issue on the table.
Even the muslim states who are their neighbours are terrified of that prospect not just Israel. The rest of the non-muslim world are considered to be worthless dhimmis by the mullahs – what action are we then to take to protect the rest of the world?
The Iranians closed the Strait of Hormuz in 1988, so meh.
Sundance, your approach says it so well – thank you.
I believe Trump is will pull off an astonishing Hail Mary pass, because we have had unsolvable problems dumped in our lap- yet what he’s attempting is stupendous.
Monkey sits on mountain and watches two tigers tear each other apart.
Trump, with one-and-done, will let Israel do the rest.
He has satisfied his obligation to the Palantir Zionists that brought him to the party. (They seek to defend their home, too, who would not?)
For once, we get to play the good guys we used to be, removing an evil king (Khamenei, the corrupt “Supreme Authority”- who owns distilleries in Russia, I might add) and restoring the good Prince Reza to his rightful place;*
The optics alone, as Israel tries to handle its own mess, cleaning up the mistake it made 46 years ago,** will be a second and far larger Palestine. Those optics will seriously weaken Israel’s influence on America – the Palantir cabal won’t be able to do their work furtively, without notice. That is tomorrow’s battle, the neocons are today’s.
Trump didn’t like the deal, so he flipped the table. First he did a quiet diplomacy tour getting agreement from all the principals – Putin, Xi, MBS and the Emirates, even that vile HTS puppet in Syra. Hegseth, for instance, pulled back from Ukraine, a negotiation with Russia. The Ayatollah’s regime is a dangerous beast fielding foreign armies and a troublsome neighbor – who is to say he will not turn those armies on the next victim. Both the region and the Belt/Road wants peace and investment, not a bunch of jihadi gangs running around.
Most importantly, if Trump can pull this off, he will reverse the neocon policies that have ruined our brand and our country since 1963. He will be setting a precedent for generations. We will gain some breathing space to handle the other intractable problems dumped in our lap – the financial Reset, the heritage Replacement. No more criminal puppets!
What Trump is trying to do is re-turn on our oppressors what was done to us – for victory, you get your enemies to defeat each other, while you sit on the sidelines and watch. Let the two regimes over there have at it, and let our boots stay on home ground.
The Iranians will suffer, and I grieve, as they are only 30% Muslim- but so do did our kin in Germany and Eastern Europe, such horrors as I will not describe. May the suffering of all parties be shortened, the righteous king restored, and our boys stay home.
*Mossadegh the Soviet puppet and the evil Ayatollah were the color revolutions. The Shah was the Restoration to the tradition going back to Cyrus.
**The Shah was doing too well for his country, making our other “allies” in the region look bad. They would not suffer such competition. (Think of the Saudis chopping off heads and hands.)
When you open Pandora’s box you never know what will come out of it. Pretty sure whatever it is it will be painful in some way for all of us.
“As we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns — the ones we don’t know we don’t know.” – Donald Rumsfeld
Respectfully disagree.
Highly recommend Walter Curt’s just published article, link below
Spine of Steel: America Must Embrace Trump’s Strike, Not Flinch
“…Trump is not launching a forever war; he is ending one—one that began the day Jimmy Carter’s White House stood casually by while the Ayatollah’s radicals strangled a modernizing Iran in 1979. That shameful passivity birthed a theocracy that has funded terror from Baghdad to Buenos Aires, murdered our Marines in Beirut, and chanted “Death to America” with metronomic zeal. Four decades of “strategic patience” bought us nothing but body bags and mushroom‑cloud blackmail. Trump’s strike closed that chapter with the only language tyrants understand: overwhelming force backed by moral clarity…”
https://www.wcdispatch.com/p/spine-of-steel-america-must-embrace?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=1788464&post_id=166547204&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=true&r=ch1ue&triedRedirect=true&utm_medium=email
Breaking:
Federal District Court Judge orders Trump to rebuild Iran’s nuclear capabilities.