The tone, attitude and rhetoric from the group demanding support for Israel-First above all interests, is the same tone, attitude and rhetoric from the group demanding unlimited support for Ukraine…
….. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with you for noticing the similarity.
You are stable, pragmatic and wise. You are also not alone.
The alignment of cheers from the Coliseum crowd for the attack on Iran from both Israel-first and Ukraine-Always groups is slightly unnerving in the way it makes you grimace -quietly- inside.
It is an understandable sense because you do not pretend, nor do you disqualify your intuition.
Perhaps like many, you are comfortably invisible, as you prefer to be, and you observe thoughtfully.
When you attend the July 4th celebration and parade, perhaps you do not join the crowd in gleeful clapping as you watch the latest military type police MRAP vehicles pass by. Instead you think of what they signify, a bigger picture.
You are prudent; yet you do not wish to disrupt the smiles of those who do not carry the same thoughts. It’s ok, you are not alone.
We hope for the best in all things, yet we do not carry the singularities of self-interest that demand conformity to our views or priorities. Those shouting in our ears demanding we clap and smile are not us.
For the recent Iran action, we hope for a ‘one-and-done‘, but we accept the unfortunate reality that hope is not a strategy.
And so we pray….
Love to all,
Steadfast!
~ Sundance
Sometimes our “prophetic propensities” are so intense and such an intrinsical part of the makeup of our ego that we cannot even accept a clear win, because it clashes with our Cassandra emotions.
Xi is silent. Medvedev sent a drunken tweet. Oh, the calamity.
Meantime, it is NOT just Israel who is happy in the Middle East. Probably the happiest is Saudi Arabia and their Arab allies.
HUGE difference between Russia and Iran:
getting entangled in Ukraine brought absolutely no benefit to United States and the world except for the warmongers and arms dealers
putting Iran in its place is a centerpiece to the Trumpian, as in AMERICAN not Israeli foreign policy
There is a huge benefit in not having nuclear proliferation go rampant in that zone. Not just for Israel. For us. Those too obsessed with Israel always think in binary terms – if Israel has atomic weapons, isn’t just “fair” that Iran would have them as well? If so, how naive do we have to be to think things would stop there? Saudi Arabia would get them next, as well as some of the small extremely rich countries in the region which could afford them etc. etc. How is it in the American interest for that to happen?
I said putting Iran in its place is a centerpiece to the Trumpian, as in AMERICAN not Israeli foreign policy.
Look at the grand image. This was planned likely during the first Trump term. Abraham accords, facilitating a reconciliation between the Arab world and Israel. Giving realistic hope, for the first time, to a greater peace in the region.
What many otherwise highly intelligent and patriotic armchair generals might miss is that we already TRIED the alternative.
It was the Obama policy:
punish Israel according to the Kissinger dictum “it may be dangerous to be America’s enemy, but to be America’s friend is fatal”
push the Saudis in the hands of China/BRICS etc. – remember the obamistas and Biden calling Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman a murderer for the Kashoggi episode?
embolden and finance the Iranian nuclear program, according to the wishes of Iranian moles, various Jarretts and Kerrys who envisioned an Iran dominating the Middle East
How quickly we forget . . . Did we really want a continuation of that policy, all the way to Iran holding not just an embassy but the world hostage? Look how irrationally they behave RIGHT NOW, on the brink of defeat. Would entrusting them with nuclear weapons have helped?
Yes, Iraq was a disaster. We know well that who doesn’t know history is condemned to repeat it . . . But there is another danger: to get stuck in one historical paradigm so mechanically, so predictably, as to think all subsequent historic events are and will forever be the same.
Thank you, President Trump, for taking the best path among the (all) unsavory ones, and being a true leader. That’s all I have to say.
1000% ∆∆∆∆∆∆∆∆∆∆∆∆∆∆∆∆∆
an abrupt end to a great comment….could you expand on this please:
Why would the Kerrys want Iran to dominate the middle east? Surely not just because their daughter married an Iranian….Just askin’…?
$$$$?
Agree with your last point, in partiicular.
Like how they cite “Chamberlain and capitulation to Hitler” to try to paint Zman as Churchill, and President Putin and Hitler.
And so the phrase “Everybody I don’t like is Hitler” takes on more meaning.
I’ve been looking out for your perspective on this…always astute. Hope you’re well.
And you said it very well! Thank you!!
Excellent post! Thank you 😊
“I said putting Iran in its place is a centerpiece to the Trumpian, as in AMERICAN not Israeli foreign policy.”
If so, then wouldn’t such a vital and overarching policy been the centerpiece of PDJT’s “Agenda 47”? Yet neither Agenda 47 nor the GOP platform from Summer 2024 cites Iran so much as once. It cites “nuclear” once, in the context of an American energy source. Pro-Hamas radicals get ink as deportation candidates. Preventing World War Three and restoring peace in Europe and the Middle East (eighth in the Top 10) comes closest, and that’s a stretch to the Iran that has been purportedly minutes away from nuclear weapons for decades. Post hoc ergo propter hoc is on the loose.
Some things you just don’t telegraph. Trump has been consistent about Iran not getting nukes for 25 years. He tried to bankrupt them and almost did but Biden funded them. My guess is the 4 yrs of Biden or whoever was running our country was an acceleration in Iran’s nuclear program.
Did you want to wait until a dirty bomb went off in one of your cities?
“Did you want to wait until a dirty bomb went off in one of your cities?”
Why stop with Iran? Pakistan has nuclear weaponry and a 96% Muslim population capable of their own spates of wild hotheadedness; should PDJT wait to pre-empt them? NKorea has nuclear weaponry and that crazy little midget capable of his own tomfoolery on a wide scale; should PDJT wait to pre-empt him? Might the dirty bomb even come by way of the “Samson option” from the Greatest Ally if a false flag is opportune?
The US already has 25M dirty bombs in country, called Illegal Aliens. With the No Kings riots against ICE teed up for last weekend and the need for PDJT to have full focus on a pro-ICE retort, here comes Bibi lighting the fuse. Here we are; here we’ll stay. Less than 12 hours after the “one and done” strike, here we now have PDJT mimicking Lindsey on regime change: That’s war; kiss the domestic agenda that was 99% of Agenda47 goodbye. Let the US get further overrun and a dirty bomb will be urban renewal.
Few probably paid attention to President Trump’s 2017 speech on the first foreign trip of his first term to Saudi Arabia. Of those who do did, most have forgotten it. Eight years is a long time, and much chaos and upheaval, not to mention a seismic coup in 2020, has intervened since then.
I thought of it the other day, found the transcript archived, and revisited it in the quiet. It was a remarkable speech then (I listened at the time) and remains today even more relevant.
I found it curious in 2017 that he would choose Saudi Arabia of all countries to honour first. In 2025, he repeated this honour.
But in light of last night and with time to consider, his choices made perfect sense to me.
His decades long stance on Iran’s nuclear capabilities for destruction (at a time of their choosing), financially supported in great part by the two most execrable traitorous “presidents” in our history, Obama and Biden, has never altered one jot…not one.
To work our way through the fog of a “war”, so named by shrieking media and Democrat voices…and between the partisan, trenchant voices here of those who have aligned in agreement with the bombing and those who vehemently disagree…I pray others will give this speech below the few minutes it deserves.
President Trump addressed the “Arab, Israeli, American Summit”, and spoke in the clearest diplomatic but forceful language outlining in broad terms what needed to be done to rid themselves of the vile threats surrounding them.
He laid the groundwork by establishing those personal relationships which he is famous for, which are so important to him, the fruits of which we witnessed in one form or another over the past two weeks in the silence of those countries and their rulers as Israel struck. Silence speaks loudly always.
I say no more except to express hope that our Treehouse friends will read this speech.
It is powerful. And illuminating. And may allow thoughtful reflection in the sea of tumultuous emotions we’ve all read and felt in these pages over the past few days.
And so now we remain vigilant and prayerful. We are not alone. May the Good Lord bless and keep us and make His Holy Face to shine upon us…and be merciful 🙏🏻
https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/briefings-statements/president-trumps-speech-arab-islamic-american-summit/
Thanks for posting Betsy!
Thank you, Betsy – here is just one quote,
“Here at this summit we will discuss many interests we share together. But above all we must be united in pursuing the one goal that transcends every other consideration. That goal is to meet history’s great test—to conquer extremism and vanquish the forces of terrorism.” Nuff said!!
Thank you Betsy , a calmer voice is much appreciated .
Thank you! This is a fantastic analysis. How naive does one have to be to believe a nuclear Iran would not use them against us?
Forget Israel. This has nothing to do with Israel.
It has to do with preventing a country that has declared war on us from getting weapons of mass destruction. Period.
It has to do with preventing a a bunch of psychotics from becoming a super power on par with Russia, China and the USA. It has to do with preventing the imposition of a nutty religion on a large swath of the world. It has to do with maintaining sanity.
Carter, Reagan, Bush the Elder, Clinton, Obama and Biden all should have done what Donald Trump did yeaterday. Trump would have done it during his first term but he was under attack by Fifth Columnists within.
I can’t imagine Roosevelt in 1941 after Pearl Harbor and Hitler declared war on us rejecting war because it might help the Jews.
Gadzooks people
Forgot Bush the younger in the list of presidents who dropped the ball.
MAPA (Make Iran Persia Agajn(
And did we prevent it? Seems to be debated as to whether any material was destroyed, or perhaps was moved
Sometimes our “prophetic propensities” are so intense = The things you see TODAY is what The May 15th Prophecy been warning you would occur with 100% ACCURACY see https://515loupe.wordpress.com/2025/03/17/515-loupe-3-17-2025/
Iran is threatening to close strait of Hormuz in retaliation, I don’t see that happening with oil-rich Saud & UAE/Dubai relying on this strait. I do see terrorist orgs loyal to Iran coming out of hibernation very soon. It would seem that Midnight Hammer is yet another “quid pro quo” w the war pigs to get the One BBB passed.
And how is it that there is 0 radioactive fallout after leveling 3 reactors, 100% primary containment? I don’t think so… evil begets evil
Marco Rubio in his interview with Maria B on Fox
was clear that the US and the rest of the world
know that Iran is behind the terrorist groups.
Therefore, they will not be able to play innocent
while they pay the Houthi’s and others to do their
dirty deeds
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IRAN SHUTTING STRAIT OF HORMUZ WILL RESULT IN GLOBAL CATASTROPHE
– LNG supply disrupted, especially to Europe and Asia (Qatar exports halted)
– Europe faces renewed energy crisis — higher gas and electricity prices
– Global oil and gas prices spike, worsening inflation worldwide
– Strategic petroleum reserves (SPR) likely released by U.S. and allies
-Petrochemical and refined fuel supply chains disrupted (diesel, jet fuel, plastics)
– Stock markets tumble, especially in energy-intensive and transport sectors
-Central banks face pressure — rate hikes may return despite recession fears
-Risk of global recession increases, especially for energy-dependent nations
– U.S. and allied military response likely, risking direct conflict with Iran
– Tanker traffic halts or diverts, causing global shipping delays
– Shipping insurance costs surge, Strait classified as high-risk war zone
– Limited alternative export routes (Saudi & UAE pipelines insufficient)
-China and India face energy import shocks, seek emergency alternatives
– Europe scrambles for LNG from U.S., Norway, Algeria
-Russia benefits from price spikes and energy market disruption
-UN action likely stalled by Russia/China vetoes; diplomacy strained
– U.S. gas prices may hit $5–$7/gallon, triggering public backlash
– U.S. election-year politics inflamed, with energy policy in spotlight
https://x.com/ShaykhSulaiman/status/1936782663290941595
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Hormuz isn’t the Panama Canal. You can’t just close it down or block it. Sure, they can fire missiles but for how long. All they would do is turn all their gulf neighbors against them while obliterating their own economy. The only winner here would be Russia and other oil exporters outside the gulf.
But you and I knew, before the bombing, the Shite’s would not just give up and chose Peace. Why would they when they were preparing for war?
https://x.com/LauraAboli_X/status/1936660719241515352
The real reason for the war with Iran has nothing to do with uranium enrichment
– it’s about a very different kind of enrichment…
They keep telling us this war is about Iran’s nuclear ambitions.
But if you’ve been paying attention, you know that’s just the cover story.
This war isn’t about bombs. It’s about banks.
Iran is one of the last sovereign nations that hasn’t been absorbed into the Western-led financial system.
It has its own central bank, it doesn’t bow to the IMF or World Bank, it doesn’t allow full-spectrum financial penetration from the likes of BlackRock, Vanguard, or JPMorgan.
That makes it a problem for the globalist banksters.
[…]
Iran is just the next target.
So when you see the headlines, remember: this isn’t just about nukes.
It’s about a country that won’t open its books, privatize its oil, or let Wall Street set its future.
And for the controllers of the world, that kind of independence is the real weapon of mass destruction.
more :
https://x.com/LauraAboli_X/status/1936660719241515352
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WikiLeaks
Assange
Excerpt from Oxford Union speech, 30 January 2013.
JUNE 2019
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JUNE 22 2025
KEEPING IT in THE FAMILY – ( Tucker said He Knew Both in the Chat with Bannon, Mentioning THIS FACT )
>> MY BIAS IS SHOWING about the INCESTUOUS NATURE of the BELTWAY CULTURE <<
https://fedsoc.org/contributors/anna-peckham
It’s looks like as GAZA….
And how is it that there is 0 radioactive fallout after leveling 3 reactors, 100% primary containment?
Uhhh, because they didn’t “level” 3 reactors. Fallout comes from the air, the sites bombed were underground.
according to BBC, AP and other sites, Esfahan isn’t underground: https://www.businessinsider.com/satellite-images-damage-iran-fordow-nuclear-site-after-us-strikes-2025-6
Thanks for the interesting article that shows Natanz and Fordow as underground, and Isfahan as above ground buildings demolished. I couldn’t find confirmation that the reactor at Isfahan was operational. I would think that the nuclear materials at all sites would prevent any quick cleanup but we’ll have to wait and see if regular bombs cause fallout or just localized contamination.
News is saying they closed the Strait
Iranian parliament just vote to close ..strait of Hormuz…in the retaliation……
If you’re no longer MAGA because you don’t support John McCain, Lindsey Graham, Jeb Bush, David French, John Bolton, David Frum and Bill Kristol’s foreign policy, you were never MAGA to begin with
https://x.com/LutherEnjoyer/status/1936836101119095175
Talking points have been issued.
Isn’t this what Sundance is trying to tell us in a Cryptic Manner?
You could see this a mile away. Looks like the Islamic ‘Peaceful Religion’ Nutters are bombing Churches now.
Like Israel bombed churches in Gaza? You do realize that roughly 25% of the people in Gaza were Christians, right?
https://greekreporter.com/2023/10/20/greek-orthodox-church-st-porphyrios-gaza-bombed/
That’s a load of BS! It’s widely reported to be between 1-2% for all of Gaza at the most. Some say less than 1%. And they probably hightailed it out of there the first chance they got knowing how Israel would respond to the Oct 7th attack. Sorry, that’s a crock of 💩.
The Gazans celebrated the deaths and rapes of innocent women and children on October 7. They took to the streets and gleefully danced as Israeli women bleeding out of both lower orifices were paraded through the streets.
These same Gazans helped hold hostages for over a year now. The Israeli’s have been restrained IMO. The whole area should have been leveled and the ground salted for what they did to those sweet toddler Bibas boys alone.
Sundance is saying MAGA can tolerate and learn from a wide range of opinions. If you exclude everyone but yourself from MAGA that is not good.
Amen!
Diversity of viewpoints should not be so threatening.
YMMV
I think he’s saying a little less chest-thumping and a little more introspection and humility might be in order.
Also, maybe stop being dicks to people with a different opinion, regardless which side you agree with.
This might turn out OK, but it’s absolutely fair to point out that the people pushing this are the same ones who pushed WMD in Iraq and endless war in Ukraine.
Wider war with Iran is in nobody’s interest except neocons, bankers and defense contractors.
So we’ve learned how to play THEIR game?
So What!
saaadly..other side learn too…btw Sieve Dome…..not working as it should….saaaad…
Astounding.
Reminiscent of seventh grade cliques, i.e., you *must* confirm, or else!!!!
Very repulsive.
Extraordinarily so!
Well then. If we don’t MAGA, then MAGA was horsesh!t to begin with! If it doesn’t happen because of unforced errors, then MAGA was a timeshare hustle! Barron should go count his crypto.
All the Elites have swanky underground bunker condos to escape to when all this goes sideways. They can have a nice tall glass of STFU.
good catch; right wing of the Uniparty bird getting their talking points is something to behold.
Well… we know who the bots are, I suppose…
“If I repeat the exact words of 27 other ‘influencers’ and ‘personalities’, then I was probably a bot/agent/shill to begin with.”
100% https://515loupe.wordpress.com/
Not on twitter.
Are those tweets real?
I don’t agree with this assessment. Pro Israel does not mean pro Ukraine. Did paraglider terrorists murder women and children in Ukraine? I’m all for supporting Israel. I could give a damn about Ukraine and its power mad dictator.
Ukraine bombed it’s own citizens starting in 2014. Sick.
Plus Ukraine is filled to the brim with nazi’s. The US even had a law that no US funds could be spent on the nazi military units.
Funny … if it was not soo saaaad they have a “jewish ” president(2nd one) and they worship..azov and their ideology because they can count on help of 500+ clapping seals in the CONgre$$………
Do not worry Joe K ms.Linda & Co’s will pirouette you there …to hate and bomb pesky Russians…. there is $ 74 Trillions worth natural resources….
Exactly!
With our prayers we get multiple votes to the One that matters and He will answer with compassion for all.
Thanks be to God!
Christ is my King
The significance of the “event” was evidenced at the end of POTUS announcement last night…
WWIII has been officially cancelled.
No more “war pigs of the power” threats…
I say We send Gavin and Karen to govern Iran and Tehran…
Nah…
I got nothing against the Iranian People.
The Iranian People don’t need nuclear power.
They have oil to spare…
At this rate…
We can still have 99¢ gas by THIS Fourth…
In God We Trust
{All others pay cash}
Trust God
Fear not
We’ll never see .99 gas when $1.98 is taxes per gallon.
it probably ended today…
We have more than enough oil and the ability to refine it here.
We’ll be fine.
Death to America is the Ayatollah’s Mantra, and they have taken many serious actions to our detriment, but hey the Israelis don’t like them either, so we cannot do anything?
The Iranian anti-American situation was groomed and coddled by DEMOCRATS up to and including the Kenyan and FJB.
But the Israelis also don’t like them, so we cannot do anything?
Many of us dislike all the neocon warmongers intensely, especially that oleaginous blob they Call Miss Lindsey.
I don’t care if this action gave that jerkwad Lindsey a boner. That’s not the measure of necessity or success.
I support VSG President Donald John Trump and appreciate all he has done for us.
All this Monday morning quarterbacking is B.S. and has to stop.
Word of the day winner!!!!
“oleaginous” is a perfect descriptor in this instance 😀
Merriam Dictionary: “1. Resembling or having the properties of oil : oily also : containing or producing oil 2. Marked by an offensively ingratiating manner or quality.”
Agree, perfect word. Learned it from that wordy devil, James Kuntsler.
The supposed shell game with more B-2’s to Guam….
Plausible deniability to now be in position vrs China/Taiwan
The surgical strike vrs Iran, maybe gives China some hesitation i hope.
China is quiet, too quiet
They didn’t go to Guam.
Ironically, this action against Iran may only re-invigorate the strategic alliance between China and Russia.
Russia is the prime alternative petroleum source for China should Iran’s supply be disrupted. Russia’s influence with China is increasing by the day as Iran is attacked.
There are many strategic implications to this preemptive attack operation. Fundamental superpower economic interests are now firmly in play.
It is not merely “America/Israel v. the Nuclear Terrorists” and payback for 1979, as so many here want to simplify.
China may not want to rely on Russia for oil, because China would have to pay for it, probably in dollars, possibly in some other currency. It would not, as in Iran, be welcome to pay for oil with infrastructure projects involving large numbers of Chinese inside the country. Russia and China may cooperate when it suits a mutual interest, but that will always be an uneasy relationship.
Sundance, it’s astounding how many commenters didn’t understand your point.
Speaking of which.
Sundance, your post highlights the unease some feel about fervent demands for supporting Israel and/or Ukraine, validating those who question the cheering for actions like the Iran attack while subtly suggesting moral superiority for skeptics.
As a long time supporter, I find the tone condescending, as it frames our backing of Israel as blind conformity, ignoring motives like security, history, or morality. Further you have overlooked that the Coliseum has two sides, with the ‘morally superior’ skeptics on one.
“Condescending” is any judgement you do not agree with.
Blind conformity is rightfully expressing the faults and sins of one side while completely ignoring the faults and sins of the other, or worse, criticizing those who try to see things objectively across the board.
Iran has a lot of faults and sins to answer for, to be sure.
But Israel is not a lily white saint either, and it should be acceptable to discuss that here in an objective way.
To pretend, for example, that Iran is guilty of killing civilians but Israel is not, simply flies in the face of the facts.
Also, to punish Iran for their nuclear program may be justified, but is it really fair to just pretend that Israel doesn’t use its own nukes to assert dominance in the region?
Just be objective. That’s all anyone is asking.
I’m only for America and how we can protect our country. We are involved in many issues and the whys range from we shouldn’t be, to yes we need to do something because it affects us greatly.
Who is running our incursions into world affairs is what concerns me most. There seems to be a lot of unknowns about that subject and it’s not pleasant to try and understand the bottom line on who is making the decisions and why. Will we ever know that? Doubtful, which is even more concerning. This action yesterday is going to prove to be a brilliant decision or a disaster as we all know. I am disliking immensely that people like Lindsay Graham are happy about it, but our President and his team made the decisions. Right or wrong it is on them now.
. I am thrilled at how professional and expert our military was in executing the whole thing with no mistakes and no casualties. After the Biden years there was great doubt our military would be prepared for anything major like this but they were. Kudos to them and the new leadership in place now.
Trust God knew what to lead us into. That’s all we can do at this point.
I’m already tired of this middle east crap and am totally tired of Ukraine. So Trump bombed stuff. Israel is part of the deep-state, IC network that we all love to hate. They will drag the US into this deeper, it’s just a matter of time.
We have massive problems here on our own soil that are NOT getting addressed, mainly because the GOP is running the clock out on Trump. So many urgent things need legislative attention and nothing significant is done.
Especially Netanyahoo. He almost got deposed a couple of weeks ago, so, voila, a second front!
I am opposed to warmongers but I believe a country can take steps without getting involved in wars with brutally repressive governments. Who does the banking for these militants, which arms manufacturers supply them with military equipment and who is paying? If they were publicly named and a boycott imposed and arms shipments intercepted and destroyed before reaching their destinations it would make it a lot harder to continue wars and terrorist activities. Preemptive actions could prevent situations like the bombings in Iran from happening and a government should certainly not be sent billions of dollars as was the case with Iran while most of its citizens are struggling to survive.
The Federal Reserve Bank is the enemy aiding and abetting criminal enterprise supplying the MIC/IC arms “dealers”with the “grease” to make the deals {wars and rumors of wars}…
ALL courtesy of the mostly peaceful extortion {taxation without representation} of Our Public Monies {OPM}…
Thou shalt not covet OPM.
RICO the Federal Reserve.
Personality does not factor in mathematics.
In God We Trust
{All others pay cash}
Trust God
Fear not
All I can say is, Amen.
Three weeks ago, May 29th 2025, China completed the first direct rail shipment to Tehran, Iran on the “Five Nations Railway”. This bypasses the Persian Gulf, and reduces oil shipment from 40 days to only 15 days.
This route would allow China and Iran to bypass all US controlled shipping routes, therefore bypassing sanction restrictions.
https://www.eurasiantimes.com/first-freight-train-from-china-wheels-into-iran/?amp
And oh, dang it is so difficult to disrupt a rail line, nearly impossible! LOL.
are you ms.Linda..asssistant ??????
LOL, You couldn’t be further from the mark. I loathe that warmongering unctuous POS with every fibre of my being.
A normal train with tanker cars cannot transport as much oil as a conventional tanker, let alone a supertanker.
Unfortunately I had the gall to “disrupt the smiles of those who do not carry the same thoughts”.
It was a learning experience
I got censored… here. That was also a learning experience.
Yet, here you are…?
You’re our TREASURE, Ad rem.
😘
Yes. I have long valued this community. Did not expect opposition to be silenced. Here I am. Did you want me to leave?
A+
There’s no accounting for the delusions of others. Be yourself, don’t pretend, have faith in the wisdom of President Trump and his advisers, and pray for the best possible outcome.
Are the Democrats in Congress who take 💰 and directions from AIPAC the same who support anti Israel demonstrations?
I get that neocon Republicans support bombing Iran.
The exact allegiance, and what side of which issues –just appears blurry at times.
There are people who are staunchly in favor of forever wars.
However, others seem to change their positions based on
what the party decides.
The groupthink is tedious.
I do my research. However, I don’t know what people to trust anymore.
I kick it up. 🙏☁️
To the various commenters that are always shouting down other commenters on CTH as commies, losers, traitors:
“We hope for the best in all things, yet we do not carry the singularities of self-interest that demand conformity to our views or priorities.”
You sound, Sundance, as if you’re straddling the fence.
What side is “fuck off”?
Consider yourself on the other side of it. 🙂
SD, are you OK?
That’s a rather harsh way to address a longtime treeper who may be confused as to just what you are getting at.
This is getting BIG UGLY.
I’m outta here.
Referring to someone as a fence straddler is insulting.
Presenting both sides of an issue is not.
⚖️
Agree , it’s past insulting .
Purrfect.
“Open Minds, Sharp Eyes and Light Hearts” for today’s Treeper Community.
Indeed ∆∆∆∆∆∆∆∆∆
That was funny!
😱😎🙃
Naughty.
Still – funny!
🥸🤡
Will preface this with, “You don’t have to agree in whole or even part to listen to other people’s ideas and views. Doing so might even raise questions and present potential angles you haven’t thought of. At a minimum, IF given honest consideration and thought it will at least lead to examination and sharpening of your own thinking.”
For myself I continue to pray for PDJT, our brothers/sisters in harms way, and all of God’s children.
Be very careful of this woman and her group. I wade through a lot of very weird sites that I would never post here, following my own mantra that there are lots of little nuggest of truth out there, but sometimes you have to wade through a swamp of crap to collect them. There are some dog whistles in here that betray the underlying bias. Pick out the pieces that are useful and discard the rest. Basically, kopi luwak.
It was Tom’s comment that was the intriguing one – the woman simply set the context for it 🙂
After listening to this woman, I remembered suspicious cat. There is something off about this woman and her “analysis”.
What scares me now are the Iranian terrorists in our Country and what they will do for revenge for we cannot rely on Patel and Bongo man to help us.
Perhaps invert your fears. Don’t you think those you fear respect the fact that hundreds of millions of Americans are locked and loaded?
And… In any case, if the other shoe is going to drop, it might as well be now while we have decisive leadership at the helm.
Church civilian took out a shooter trying to disrupt services. This is the example that must be followed.
The decon ran him over so the security guard could shoot him ” grave yard dead “.
That’s called community. It’s an awesome thing.
We are indeed Lurker.
Also we now have the National Guard active in some cities, I believe they were sent there by Trump for reasons other than just to back up ICE.
We also have our military on the border, and I believe they also were sent for reasons other than boder security.
We now have some military threaded throughout the country, ready and waiting.
¡Es no problemo, amigo! We have a PATRIOT Act III that’ll take care of that…
Thank you Sundance!
I pray. 🙏🙏
I will state my piece then will go back into hibernation mode,
I refuse to watch the remake of Iraq 2.0. Let’s just say my
morning has not been sunshine and roses 🥀. People are
blaming me for telling them to vote for Trump😵💫😬😖😏
Some may not like what I have to say….🤷♀️
Many of our Christian Churches have been infiltrated
by the Great Deceiver. 👹👺
They pray for Israel while Israel bombs Lebanon 32-40%
✝️Christian population. Iran which has 600 Christian churches,
million Iran Christian churches..and even Jewish communities.
Have they ever said prayers for those Christians? They never have
and never will. Nor prayers for the Syrian and Palestinian Christians.
Before the Deep State started the 7 countries in 5 years, 10% of the
Syrian population was Christian. Now US/UK have installed someone
who is targeting Syrian Christians.✝️💔
Think about it. I always state…what would Jesus say. Would Jesus want
us to pray for other Christians….
Why? People need to start looking inward and questioning the actions
of their Churches. Start questioning the brainwashing and propaganda
that the Great Deceiver 👺👹has injected into our Christian churches for
decades. The …I didn’t know line …doesn’t work anymore.
Many appear to be collecting their…50 pieces of Silver.
This Pastor is worth listening to…..
Scofield Prophecy Wrongly Dividing The Word Of Truth – 2/2/25 By Pastor Chuck Baldwin – YouTube
An Evangelical Speaks On “The Israel of God” – YouTube
The brainwashing and propaganda has been going on for decades.
5 minute video.
Bonhoeffer‘s Theory of Stupidity – YouTube
✝️ May we be given more Mercy than we have given ✝️
🤷♀️ 🤷♀️ 🤷♀️ Going back to my 🧊frozen Bonbon and 📚 books now.
“Pople are blaming me for tellig them to vote for Trump” do not let them bother you gypsey do not give them a second thought.
Are these people six years old and can not make a decision in life with out some kind of Mommy or Daddy to tell them what to do where to do it and when.
Life your life in peace and joy, leave the childish whiners behind.
You don’t have to rely on the IC-community to know what’s right and wrong. If you listen to what the Russians say and watch what they do and study their ideology of guiding principles – there is not much wrong with the Russians. They should be our ally nog our enemy. If you listen to what the Ayatollahs say and watch what they do and study their ideology – there is a lot wrong. Them promoting terrorism is a fact. And: regime change in Iran is not doing away with the government, but doing away with the Ayatollahs.
According to Tousi Tv on youtube a Christian church in Syria was attacked by islamists, but the video seems to be currently unavailable. Prayers for the believers.
A suicidal Islamist! Imagine that. But they won’t do that with a nuke. They are the ‘religion of peace”
When we went after Assad, we knew that it meant genocide for all Christian, Druze, and Alawites in Syria. We didn’t care. Much like we supported the murder, displacement, and imprisonment of Orthodox Christian Serbs in the former Yugoslavia in order to expand Islam.
The US foreign policy for decades has been to support Islamic expansion and the genocide of Christians and other religious groups.
There really isn’t a ” we” that did that. It was the sewer in dc which is NOT us.
You can be in favor of this admin having made this decision without being a neo-con, without believing we should support the Ukraine belief they are owed our money to fight on forever.
Iran w/out nukes? I support that.
Iran w/out the THREAt of nukes? I support that.
1000% ∆∆∆∆∆∆∆∆∆
Iran without Ayatollahs? Yah!
I agree with you TL.
I’m not rah-rah Israel and never will be rah-rah Ukraine.
Every country has their own history and problems.
Only when a country steps in the way of our country’s freedom should our government leaders take action.
Amen Sundance! One and done but these warmongers are already calling out Turkey after seeing their Iranian objectives almost accomplished. When will it ever end?
These people are globalist totalitarians! They want to the downfall of nations in servitude to them. It’s endless if you continue along their path. They’ve taken the USA blood and treasure through the Middle East and now Russia.
Their ultimate aim I believe is the demise of the USA itself in favor of their governance. Except they will achieve that by bankrupting us along the way of deposing Iran, Russia, Turkey and anyone else (China?) who stands in their way of control of all of the key resources in the world! It’s terrifying if you think of their end goals! They must be stopped!
Trump is a strong and smart man and is able to weave and navigate the tangled webs they weave but what happens after he’s gone? That’s my fear. Who will stand
up to them for the people?
WE will.
Yes.
The distillation: Ukraine is a nation of corrupt grifters soaking up the benefits of a buffer state with their obnoxious front man out there demanding the west fund their annual budget. Israel is an ancient nation resurrected by God after 3000 yrs of oblivion, chosen by God to receive the very oracles of God and thru their bloodline came the very incarnate God on earth. So I don’t see pragmatism and wisdom in waiting for a high altitude nuclear detonation over Jerusalem which is where Persia was headed. Don’t count yourself among the “Coliseum Crowd” because you would wish to see Israel’s survival. There’s much more war to go. “And in that day I will make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though ALL PEOPLE OF THE EARTH BE GATHERED TOGETHER AGAINST IT.
Thank you, Sundance.
The US position:
Iran is full of crazy madmen who want a nuke to use it, so we have to bomb them to stop them.
Also the US position:
Now that we’ve bombed them, Iran will come to the table and negotiate.
If the first position is true, then the second cannot be true, right?
Would crazy madmen negotiate? Or would they strike us any way they can?
If the second position is true, then why didn’t we continue negotiating and instead bomb them?
That’s a faulty argument.
If the Insane Ayatollahs who have been severely weakened are finally booted out by the long-oppressed Iranian citizens, we may actually have pragmatic Iranian leaders with whom to negotiate.
Those would be the Persians. Yes, that would be who would want this over, now with no 12th weirdo climbing out of a well.
I think the last time America entered Iranian airspace was the failed hostage rescue attempt by Jimmy Carter! This time was different and I hope that is the last time but that all depends on Iran. Currently Iran remains defiant vowing to continue enriching uranium and threatened attacks on Americans. If that happens anywhere in the world then all bets are off about “one and done”!!! JMO
Ross Perot got his people out , carter was an abysmal failure as a human being.
they. just. won’t. go. away.
Thanks, Sundance. I needed that.
The never-trumpsters hate winning ….. be they the 2021 version or the 2025 version.
We have had a great time ignoring them for the past 4 years.
It is easy to do.
Just roll-on-by them.
They are just a bunch of losers.
MAGA / America First isn’t just our motto, it is our duty!
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As soon as you see it meets Mike Pence’s approval you know it’s no good.
This is FAULTY REASONING.
It is identical to the way Democrats think: Trump likes it, it is bad.
Does it occur to you that in some strange place and time, Pence and Company might actually support something we support?
Perhaps Pence’s REASONS for supporting are suspect and not in alignment with our own, but that does not make the thing we support and our reasons for supporting it any less correct.
my biggest problem isn’t what president trump ordered last night.
its still with the president who gave pallets of cash to terrorists.
but i’m sure they just donated it to charity.
i’m sure they didn’t use it for anything nuclear.
100%
Also, could commenters who did not agree with what PDJT did yesterday tell us how they think things would have played out if President Harris had been in the White House? Sincere question not snark!!
america first.
america safe.
thank you mr.president for being a true commander and chief.
I see very little equivalency between the Ukraine and Iranian theaters, or at best a converse equivalence. Israel are the good guys in the latter, and Russia are the good guys in the former. It is MAGA for us not to support Ukraine, and it is MAGA for us to contain Iranian nuclear objectives.
War Is Business & Business Is Good
6-22-25
Dean Henderson
Jun 22, 2025
(Excerpted from Big Oil & Their Bankers… Chapter 1: David Rockefeller & the Shah of Iran)
War is Business
“No corporations profited than US defense contractors. From 1950-63 the Middle East received 3% of US military aid to the world. From 1971-75 it received 60.2%. [21] The bulk of it went to Israel, Saudi Arabia and Iran. Iran and Saudi Arabia were the “Twin Pillars” in President Nixon’s 1972 Guam Doctrine. Nixon and his cronies saw these two nations as critical to ensuring a steady cheap supply of crude oil to the US. Saudi reserves are estimated at 261 billion barrels, while Iran sits atop nearly 100 billion barrels.
In return for cranking out cheap oil for the Four Horsemen these nations, both ruled by dictatorial monarchs, were armed to the teeth by US defense contractors and served as surrogates in financing and implementing US covert actions in the Middle East region aimed at nationalist and pan-Arab governments that threatened Big Oil interests.
In addition, oil revenues received by both the Shah and his House of Saud counterparts were recycled back into US money-center banks JP Morgan, Chase Manhattan and Citibank. These banks own huge blocks of stock in the Four Horsemen and in the defense contractors which now jostled for position in both Tehran and Riyadh. Chase Manhattan owned Iran’s Central Bank – Bank Markazi. The international bankers were the main beneficiaries of this new oil for arms quid pro quo.
In Iran the Shah was given carte blanche on US arms purchases. Iran came to account for 25% of US military sales. Westinghouse and Hughes Aircraft worked with Iran Electronics Industry to build a missile assembly and repair plant. Bell Helicopter constructed a helicopter assembly plant at Isfahan. Grumman, Rockwell, Lockheed, Fairchild, TRW, GTE, Boeing and McDonnell Douglas all profited from deals with Tehran.
Bribery of Iranian officials was the norm in procuring defense contracts. Grumman coughed up $24 million in bribes to sell its F-14 fighters. Textron paid $2.9 million in baksheesh. Kermit Roosevelt’s new employer, Northrop, paid $2.1 million in bribes to sell the Iranian Air Force its F-5 aircraft. When Roosevelt’s memoirs Countercoup came out in 1979, many defense contractors were caught with their pants down as a now disillusioned Roosevelt named names. BP pressured publisher McGraw-Hill to pull the book from circulation due to Roosevelt’s contention that BP had hatched Operation Ajax to overthrow Mossadegh. [22]….”
https://open.substack.com/pub/deanhenderson/p/war-is-business-and-business-is-good-54b
👍 well said.
Trump just incinerated the rest of his presidency. When you become a wartime president, your domestic agenda, whatever it was, shrivels away to insignificance.
Trumpism had clearly defined and long-established elements: 1) close the borders and expel the invaders, 2) re-organize world trade with tariffs in order to repatriate high value manufacturing jobs, and 3)no more endless foreign wars. The notion that Trumpism is whatever Trump now claims it is is asinine and childish. Trump created this ideology, and we, his voters, saw the enormous wisdom in it and loved it. Trumpism was never blind loyalty to Trump the man or to whatever very bad decisions he was talked into by GOPe types (which typically take the form of horrible personnel choices and political endorsements).
What Trump has done by keeping the Ukraine war going and now starting a new war in Iran is just as shocking a betrayal of his agenda and his voters as if he had said, “you know what, I’m fine with all our manufacturing being in communist China“ or “you know what, the hotel owners and big ag need cheap illegal labor, so we’re going to re-open the borders.” Trump has now adopted the foreign policy of the neocons, and it is not going end better for him than it did for Bush.
Funny If Trump had done nothing and they got a nuke people would be saying why didn’t Trump do something sooner…
If he found a cure for cancer they’d scream about all the people he put out of work that treat it and sell drugs for.
There is no cure for libtardisum.
PDJT did not start a new war in Iran anymore than he started one in Syria by wiping out ISIS. I’m going to hope you were against Muslim radicals blowing people up and burning them alive just like I hope you are against Iranian radicals blowing people up and burning them alive, WITH A NUCLEAR WEAPON!
You can’t always get what you want…….
Remember that song?
Seminar concern troll alert!
Perfect writing!
Thank you.
Bush 47 WMD 2.0
Not even close.
Look, sometimes bad people have to go. Sadam did enough bad things to the people that what ever it took was what needed to happen.
You may recall or not know, it was who caused problems immediately after.
They were shia. Same assholes.
I am hoping for Lybia’s reaction to Reagan’s attack, but I sadly feel this will be just another in many escalations. I just wish we could take our founding fathers’ advice and avoid those entangling alliances and have peace with all nations of the world for once in my lifetime.
That’s a tough call for people taking political donations from defense contractors and another foreign nation.
Being attacked with missiles by Iran on a daily basis certainly has it’s benefits
I respect your analysis always. However, I’m just an interested citizen. I can be pro-Isreal and anti-Ukraine at the same time. There are some pundits are you suggest but it isn’t 100% compliance on that. In fact, I think it could be only a vocal minority.
Go back and re-read what I wrote.
The similarity is in their behavior, their conduct….. Not their advocacy point.
It’s not what you wrote, but how it’s interpreted. There’s no similarity because the behavior/conduct of the US towards Israel is warranted, while towards Ukraine it is not.
He’s taking about the similarity in behaviors of forum commentators, not that of nations.
Pray for the people in Persia like you do for yourself.
NO PEOPLE DIED in iran today JUST A LOTTA DEAD CENTRIFUGES see https://515loupe.wordpress.com/
That’s retarded.
People die everyday in every country.
Read what was written.
That’s almost as good as the side of the fence post.
👍👍👍
How about this idea. We warned Iran the strike was coming, that it was a one-off, and we do not want a bigger confrontation.
“The satellite picture above shows a line of trucks picking stuff up from Iran’s Fordow nuclear site— the largest of yesterday’s three targets. The photo was taken two days ago— just after the most recent meeting between US and Iranian negotiators.
“A high-ranking Iranian political source,” Anwaj reported, “confirmed that the Trump administration on June 21 conveyed that it did not seek an all-out confrontation, and only intended to strike the Fordow, Isfahan and Natanz nuclear sites.”
It added, “Importantly, the senior source also confirmed that the targeted sites were evacuated, with most of Iran’s stockpile of enriched uranium kept in secure locations.”
If true — and no one disputes it — this raises the intriguing possibility that the strikes were more politically performative and less warlike than corporate media and the hot takes fear. In other words, this could very well be a paved path, an off-ramp, for making a broader peace deal politically possible.
The notion of a ‘trading strikes’ deal is not far-fetched. Trump did it before, during Trump 1.0. He even described the whole thing after the fact.”
see article for photos and video
https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/bomb-iran-sunday-june-22-2025-c-and?publication_id=463409&post_id=166524269&isFreemail=true&r=ck852&triedRedirect=true
Another usually reliable website today posted aerial photos of a caravan of many transport trucks leaving Iran’s underground site some 24 hours before the bombs fell. The suggestion is that the bunker-busting was performance art, a face-saving exercise for all parties involved … and that the fissionable material is safely in storage in an undisclosed location. We, I believe, can all agree that face-saving projection of illusions is a valued tactic for the main actors in this drama.
Couldn’t agree more Sundance. This bombing is the beginning, the visible outbreak, the validation of war. Endorsement by a vote of Congress, themselves voted by the Citizen’s to do the will of the Citizen’s, was not offered to the families of our military.
The Shite nations are fiercely united. The Israeli’s have nuclear weapons but demand the Shite’s cannot. Israel has the 2nd largest LBGQ+++ annual parade of all nations. Trump legally lessened the elevation of LBGQ+++in the US. Hypocrisy on all sides.
By his speeches, reassurances and “hopes” for peace, it is clear to me that it is not clear to Trump yet; the verbal war is done. Bombing one of several Iranian nuclear sites is the beginning of the blood and bones war.
Hope is not a military strategy.
Nation align’s with Nation. If you didn’t believe a religion was a nation you may find the next years of war confusing.
If you don’t understand Islam or the Koran or speak one of the languages of Shite nations you will only know what you’re allowed to know. May God Bless the USA and may We affirm Our foundation.
The Shia makeup 10% of Islam and are loathed by the majority Sunni. The Arab countries do not like Iran one little bit. Of course all muslims are a threat to the health and safety of women, children, Christians, Hindus, Jews, Buddhists, pagans, atheists, etc.
They however are not unified.
I’m thinking Iraq and Azerbaijan aren’t really a threat to us so the whole mighty Shia army thing is a little much.
MAGA Fabulous Sundance!
Well said! I agree 1000%! 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻