Multiple media reports are now outlining the movement of U.S. B-2 Stealth Bombers amid the possibility of strikes targeting Iranian nuclear facilities. However, despite what many media outlets might narrate, there is no way to determine the intent of the movements until some type of action actually takes place. It is all supposition.
The media are giddy with excitement.
Daily Mail – Deadly stealth bombers, which only the US has in their arsenal, are on their way to a US Air Force base in Guam amid growing tensions with Iran, according to reports.
Six B-2 stealth bombers, docked at Whiteman Air Force Base in Missouri, appeared to be on the move on Saturday morning, according to Fox News.
The bombers are said to have been refueled, which means they could have launched without full tanks due to the extraordinarily heavy bunker-buster bombs.
The B-2 is capable of carrying a 30,000-pound bomb, which experts have concluded could be the only way to destroy Iran’s most heavily fortified nuclear site, Fordo.
The bomb, known as the GBU-57 or the Massive Ordinance Penetrator, is something only the US military possesses.
The Fordo fuel enrichment plant is buried deep within a mountain system in Iran, but experts don’t know exactly how deep, which complicates a potential US mission to neutralize it. (read more)
A more pragmatic perspective would be the proactive movement of the resources closer to the region in order to give President Trump the option to use them. With this level of widespread media discussion, there may be just an intent to stir the psychology of the adversary.
Psy ops…..like moving the Doomsday Plane to Andrews for all to see.
Fox News is going ALL-OUT on this Iran bombing thing… they’re OBSESSED… as you would expect…
Maybe they think that all of their fraud driven illegal stolen election coverup evidence will mysteriously disappear?
i can`t stand msm ….they act like war is a football game…………some get an erection just talking about war.
Erections Hell? Full blown orgies of orgasms.
Their nocturnal emissions must be something.
gee. (as a joke) Trump is getting ready to bomb MSM and Democratic Communist headquarters. Set to drop bombs on houses of dems that left the country too …. because of Trump being president. Trump has dropped leaf-lets with Picture of Dems house with arrow that says “we know where you live” … I’ll drop by later … bye bye . 🙂
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regular post now, yeah, this is to scare IRAN to surrender. Hope it works.
Would German companies, who designed the hardened underground bunkers, tell us or CIA operatives how deep the facilities are?
Bless the pilots…bill
I agree. Frustration is rising with the population in Israel.
Of course they are. They can’t be used unless they are properly positioned.
Doesn’t mean they WILL be used.
Options, lots of options. Communicate via actions
Interesting article on Iran from a couple years back… oh wait, that was Ukraine… I can hardly keep up!
“How Ukraine became a testbed for Western weapons and battlefield innovation”
https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/15/politics/ukraine-russia-war-weapons-lab
@sundance my opinion with all of this saber rattling is that 47 is doing an ultimate psy ops on Iran to scare them into submission and say no mas. This reminds me of a song by the late great country singer Kenny Rogers, “The Gambler.” The words to that song are so true if you look at it in the context of this war as it pertains to PDJT. Trump is all in in without having all the cards in gambling terms and he is calling Iran. Iran has a tough choice to make can they call 47’s bluff?
The John Mearsheimer interview makes some excellent points, aside from just the viability of the bunker busting accuracy, power, etc.
They remind us that with Israel attempting to make its political problems be owned by The US, which is leading us into a strategic crisis from which we may not be able to walk away, we’re losing our detachment.
One result of this is that, even if President Trump were successful in a negotiation with Iran it might not be available if it weren’t approved Israel, who have put themselves in a position where they can’t be seen to lose.
Also, militarily, nothing one does at this point has the benefit of the element of surprise.
They all seem to agree that the Iranian people are not going to love the west just because it has violently rid them of their brutal regime.
I believe they don’t feel that it is advisable for America to take ownership of Israel’s problems.
It would not surprise me if right now they are just being shuffled around to keep everyone guessing.
Who is bankrolling a ship off Diego Garcia to watch the runways 24/7?
I don’t have time in my life to chase speculations. I was just checking my email for something else.
Psyop in motion?
I am SOOOO tired of all of this.
Plus, it gives the media a new talking point to get off illegal immigration.
So riddle me this Bat Men and Bat Women… I’m a Professional Software Engineer™. At least in my 33 years of experience as such, when we come up with solutions to hard problem, we generally strive for high levels of confidence that the solution will work, of course, but is also robust. This means testing… specifically, thinking about testing… and thinking more about testing… and talking about testing… and planning for testing… and coordinating testing and retesting and re-retesting before you get to the point where multiple people have signed off. Nothing is perfect, and you will INEVITABLY miss the edge case here and there… but you’ve at least done your due diligence to avoid just throwing something over the fence and hoping for the best. That last tidbit is the most important tidbit.
So… what I’ve been hearing with this “MOP” thing is that nobody is really sure this weapon can penetrate far enough to destroy a facility that is possibly a couple thousand, or more, feet underground… HOW DO THEY NOT KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS?
Seems maybe somebody forgot to run the “Let’s See If This Works A Couple Thousand Feet Underground” scenario.
In other words….. IF it is deployed, this will be its first test???
Do I understand you accurately?
No, it’s been tested, in general… but, apparently, not for the specific purpose they want to use it for at Fordow. At that point, let’s just drop it and see what happens…
Lots of confusion and mystery surrounding what the thing can actually do…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GBU-57A/B_MOP
After the 2003 invasion of Iraq, analysis of sites that had been attacked with bunker buster bombs revealed poor penetration and inadequate levels of destruction. This renewed interest in the development of a larger bunker buster, and the Defense Threat Reduction Agency launched the MOP project.[10]
The USAF did not officially communicate a specific military requirement for an ultra-large bomb, but developed a concept for a collection of very large penetrator and blast weapons: the so-called “Big BLU” collection, which includes the GBU-43/B MOAB (Massive Ordnance Air Blast) bomb. The MOP was developed by the Air Force Research Laboratory Munitions Directorate at Eglin Air Force Base with design and testing work by Boeing. with GPS guidance and deployment on the B-2 Spirit and the B-21 Raider.
In March 2007, the MOP was tested in a DTRA tunnel at the White Sands Missile Range in New Mexico.
In July 2007, Northrop Grumman received a $200 million contract to refit the USAF’s B-2s. The modifications enabled the B-2 to carry two 14-ton MOPs, ample for the GBU-57.
Beginning in 2008, the MOP was tested under various conditions, including on rocket sleds at Holloman High Speed Test Track and from B-52 and B-2 strategic bomber aircraft at White Sands.
[…]
The MOP is reportedly able to penetrate about 60 m (200 ft) of earth or 18 m (59 ft) of reinforced concrete with a compressive strength of 5,000 psi (34 MPa).[28][29] Iranian domestic research has produced concrete exceeding 30,000 psi (210 MPa), a level that could sharply reduce the bomb’s effective penetration depth.
etc. etc.
So… no requirements from USAF, apparently, which itself would be a red flag… and tested “in tunnels” and “on rocket sleds”. Unless Iran was nice enough to build a tunnels with a rocket sled at the entrance to that facility, then whatever story the Joint Chiefs is trying to sell Trump is probably a load of nonsense…
I think it is about 300 feet.
It is useless if you cannot get in or out.
If the access & ventilation shaft(s) are destroyed, then it is useless.
IDK how the facility is powered, either.
I’m sure they came up with something good… massive natural gas-powered generators another 100-200 feet below the 300-foot mark, with direct taps underground… nothing coming in, nothing going out… :^P
Trump is playing the media, as always. I do not know what is coming next. DJT does. And, irrespective of outcome, Bibi is done. The price of whatever is occurring, is Bibi him leaving the scene. Saving Israel for last.
David, I hadn’t thought about saving Israel for last for the longest time but you are spot on. We’re getting close to suicide Sunday and the roundup.
Enjoy the show!
Believing or hoping for Iran to abandon its nuclear bomb making program has never been a realistic negotiation objective, and it remains so. Presently, the Supreme Leader will happily choose martyrdom to kneeling before his “great satan.”
Regime change or an Israeli special military operation appear to be the next steps, and time for either is quickly passing.
The last resort to wreck the Fordow facility appears to be an American bombing attack, but the surety of its success legitimately appears to be uncertain. Failure of a bombing raid would be highly embarrassing to PDJT and to the USA.
If regime change, Israeli military action, or an American bombing raid either do not occur or fail to destroy the Fordow target, what is next; assassination of Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and then trying to create order from chaos?
This war is the culmination of nearly 50 years of conflict between Iran and the USA, and President Trump’s standing as a world leader and, perhaps, his legacy are TBD by the outcome. Hopefully, PDJT is the human instrument of Divine Providence who brings Iran’s madness to an end.
Let us pray fervently for the best possible outcome.
DallasDan I feel ya when you say “Let us pray fervently for the best possible outcome.” Amen on a somewhat different note HERE is a CNN (of all places) article that mkae sense
‘Always a peacemaker’: How Trump decided to hold off on striking Iran
“Believing or hoping for Iran to abandon its nuclear bomb making program has never been a realistic negotiation objective, and it remains so.”
“George W. Bush frequently stated that Saddam Hussein possessed weapons of mass destruction and posed an imminent threat”
“all who take the sword will perish by the sword” (Matt 26:52)
He said · to them, “But now let the one who has a moneybag take it, and likewise · a knapsack. And the one who has no sword, let him sell · his cloak and buy one (Luke 22 : 36)
Amen.
No, only those who wield it unjustly.
Here is the reality you are not hearing in the media re the GBU-57 series of munitions.
This goes for all gravity bombs, even guided ones with improved glide capabilities, and no assisted propulsion
The aircraft(Likely to be a B-2), will need to be relatively close to the target to do the drop. It’s obviously not similar to aircraft delivering cruise missiles at great standoff distances.
Aircraft elevation, pitch and speed can only do so much, as the bomb is released, and starts rapidly losing altitude. Stabilizing grid fins actively adjusts the the trajectory. Guidance is a hybrid of GPS and inertial nav.
For guided bombs, the bigger it is, the closer the aircraft needs to get to the intended target.
Assuming the above mentioned requirements are met, the following challenges needs to be considered.
GPS can be jammed/EW may be active.
Air defense may be present.
Enemy air assets may be active.
The uncertainty of the penetrators efficacy. Munition may not be effective.
Multiple runs may/likely will be needed.
Optimal conditions will have to created before any “bunker busting” bombing run can start.
Which requires.
High level of certainty that Iranian air defense isn’t present or suppressed. -“Stealth” is not foolproof tech, contrary to popular belief.
Air support for B2s, in the form of multiple manned aircraft.
The unknowns…
Almost, all the videos shown so far in the media have been from UCAVs, not manned aircraft. The vids that I have seen anyway. Missiles from manned aircraft are covering large distances, also indicating that manned Israeli aircraft aren’t in close proximity, and certainly not flying around unmolested over the interior of Iran…
Some analysts claim that 90% of Irans AD has been destroyed, doubtful, to say the least.
Iran has purchased some very decent AD systems, recent S-400 variants for example. Where are they?
A number of consequential Iranian aircraft have also not been accounted for. Where are they?
Not saying it’s impossible, but draw your own conclusions from the above…
Will tactical nuclear weapons be used?
Tactical nuclear weapons will not be deployed. For the simple reason that it will have geo political effects far beyond Iran… And because PDJT isnt a dumb@$$.
The worst case would be for the US to attempt to use its allegedly best bunker buster(s) and have them fail to totally destroy Iran’s deep underground complex. Trying and failing would ultimately be far worse then not trying at all.
I can dig any size hole in hard soil with a pickaxe, just a matter of how many blows it takes.
The initial holes can be bombed by bunker busters other than the 15 ton ultimate bomb. Those smaller bunker busters have been delivered by C 130s …
“Trying and failing would ultimately be far worse then not trying at all.”
“far worse”, Why?
the worst case scenario is that dropping bombs on enriched U and trigger material PU (which are atomically close enough to go critical given an “amount of pressure waves that surely these weapons can produce), will cause a major radioactive release that will be impossible to estimate and impossible to contain..in the worst case scenario.
there is no absolute guarantees also that Iran has not already implemented plans to explode these facilities to release a “dirty bomb” and then blame the US and Israel for the results nuclear disaster.
this IS the worst case scenario.
of course the other worse case scenario is that Iran ALREADY has a nuclear weapon, perhaps two or three (based on open source about the last two years of enrichment programs in at least 4 different facilities)…and with those weapons they could react to the destruction, with a argument for retaliation against Israel, this would become the nightmare scenario.
These are all speculative, but in the former, it’s likely there will be some kind of radioactive release that happens, even if things don’t go critical…bombing enrichment facilities even in hardened deep underground structures will produce some level of a release. it’s unknown to me what the volume of material there is, the proximity of U and PU are in these facilities. For instance, if the program has been put on pause, these two materials are usually separated/shielded apart…but if these centrifuges are active, these materials are in atomic promixity and that there is a non zero probability that exploding ordinance and a sufficient blast pressure wave could cause at least some level of critically…likely a “dirty bomb” type of release. And that is problematic in ways most people don’t understand properly. In a typical nuclear explosion, by design, the materials are efficiently converted into light, heat, pressure and then a remaining level of alpha particles. In most instances, the half life of these remaining radioactive particles are short lived. This explains why Hiroshima and nagasaki are both habitable in mere months following those detonations. Obviously, with some exceptions being the very center regions of the blast. Today, the radiation levels are just barely above that of the natural background radiation. This illustrates the efficiency of a properly detonated nuclear weapon. The radioactive effects are limited and short lived….well, I should say to a level where human habitation can happen quick soon after. On the other hand, in inefficent conversion, which has been proven can happen when exploding conventional ordinance near u and PU, even in a lower level of enrichment state, the total destructive yield is far less, but the because the conversion is inefficient, but yet the energetic state is accelerated quick enough to force “some” criticality, you end up with the majority of the material remaining at a higher alpha particle energetic state, does not convert to light, heat, and pressure, and thus you have these very long life radioactive particles at levels that will kill lots of people over a long stretch area (depending on the weather patterns and the blast effects) and all that mountain and debris gets irradiated and saturated with these long lived deadly particles. and then you have hundreds, possibly thousands of years to deal with areas that cannot be habitated, no crops, no industry, no transportation…off limits.
to give an example…think Chernobyl. this disaster, which resulted in a hydrogen gas blast that then release enriched fuel material (similar to what is going on in a enrichment facility) creates a major radioactive release…and to this day, there are areas spread out across a vast area, where humans are not allowed to live. And the ONLY reasons that you see researchers and reporters going into this areas, is because they have proper safety equipment, the areas that are highly contaminated are already known and they avoid them, PLUS the entire facility has been sealed with a massive concrete structure (which will need to be replaced soon, and often). Estimates range from 500 years to 2,000 years before the area is “clean enough” for humans to repopulate. not even talking about the immediate release that occurred and continued for weeks after the initial disaster, when th fallout literally rained radioactive materials across the region well into Europe. Yes, Chernobyl was a very large nuclear facility and I would imagine that Iran does not have similar volumes of enriched material…but that is purely a guess. regardless, a radioactive event would occur, even if nothing critical occurs. there would be some radiation…to what degree, I have no idea. but this is one of the worst case scenarios.
I pray this administration and our military have taken into consideration these risks and have the proper intel and a method to reduce the risks…otherwise, black bingo.
the Islamic death cult would love nothing more than to blame the US and Israel for creating a nuclear fallout…There is a non zero chance they are already planning to make this happen and blame the US for it.
I don’t know the solutions to avoid these risks, but I do know this: that Israel has and continues to target the nuclear science infrastructure, military leadership and key air and surface defenses ..I full support that. chopping the head of this snake is a smart military strategy. But I will say, more daisies will pop up, so we have to accept until the regime in Iran alters its course manifestly, we will probably be doing this over and over and over and over again.
God Bless America
I have a gut feeling – just a feeling, that the B2/GBU-57 discussion by the US and Israel (directly or indirectly) is a ruse. Israel is very capable of putting boots on the ground and supporting them at Fordow. Where are the B-52s? Why do I ask that? Because the risk of supporting an Israeli ground effort at Fordow is much, much less risky, with a greater, or more guaranteed chance of success, than blowing Fordow to smithereens with bunker busters.
My logic?
* The GBU-57 loses some of it’s deterrent effectiveness once it’s used. Before it’s used, it’s a mystery to US enemies. Once it’s used, either successfully, partially successful, or absolute failure, the effectiveness of the GBU-57 and potential methods of defending against it, are known to US enemies.
* Damage assessment 200 feet, 500 feet, or a mile down (whatever) is much more difficult after all the air ducts and tunnels are crushed, and much of the concrete infrastructure is damaged or crushed. It may be impossible to access, by men or robots. What will Israel (or the US, or the world) actually KNOW about Iran’s nuclear program? Not a whole lot, or at least, not enough.
*What does Israel and the USA NEED to know about Iran’s nuclear program?
-How far and successful was it?
-Was all the fissionable material actually destroyed?
-How and who supported the program. Is NORK technology present? Pakistani? Russian? European? Was it going to be Iran’s first N.bomb, or Iran’s first CHINESE NUCLEAR BOMB?Did anything migrate from Iran to third party countries. Does Hezbollah have some of the materials? The Houthis?
My logical analysis tells me that Israel needs to access Fordow MORE than it needs it destroyed. In fact, my basic assumption is that MOSSAD has “boots on the ground” at some of the other nuclear sites being hit, both to answer the questions above, as well as to do post strike BDA.
None of this precludes a decision by Trump to hit Fordow. However, answers to ALL of those questions above that are essential to Israel, are just as important to Trump in his decision to hit Fordow. As Calab points out, a decision for the US to hit Fordow carries risks, a list much longer than just our considerations here. I don’t have enough information to make a definitive declaration on which way this goes.
The risks will not deter Trump. The lack of information would. Israel’s M.O. would be to go into Fordow, to get inside, to gather intel and guarantee the destruction of all materials that constitute a future threat. Remember, Israel achieved a small coup by TRUCKING OUT a whole building of documentation on Iran’s nuclear program some years back. Israel has never had a “shoot first and ask questions later” mode of operation. SOP is intelligence driven decisions, very good intelligence. They’d prefer to send in Commando’s, but they’ll also be certain about what their troops would face on the ground before they do it. The B2’s will cause Iran to hesitate in it’s defense of Fordow, and that’s what Israel needs.
Agreed! Boots with a bunch of C4 on/under the ground, accessing the deepest areas of Kockamamy’s doomsday facilities is the way to go. GBU57 should be last resort.
don’t disagree, but I is very likely these facilities have been rigged to blow by Iran…then blame Israel and the US for the fallout.
it’s something to consider. either way, regardless, there isn’t a person I know who believes boots on the ground into the facilities at this point of the war is even feasible. it would be a suicide mission. Iran continues to have a massive arsenal and troops. We see some destruction, but that has not taken away their ability to defend these sites effectively.
But if a nuclear device DOES detonate in he vicinity of the facility? Who did it? Proof? Who must absolutely mount a counter-attack? These are NOT cool heads involved!
“Who did it? Proof?”
Isotopes have signatures…
I used to support Bibi until I saw a video of him from 1994 saying Iran were just weeks away from developing numerous nuclear bombs. Plus, the Iranian regime are completely insane, but the American people need proof to see if Iran has nuclear weapons.
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We the American people are being played into another war from our own Warmongers. They make millions off of wars. They can’t make money off of peace.
President Trump don’t do this. No more US bloodshed.
I’m sick and tired of our precious US soldiers fighting a war for profit for corrupt politicians. Sacrificing US soldiers lives for money. Sick.
Two weeks to stop the spread.
Well, mullah scum, just know this: Sheol [Hades] is on stand by. Muhammad isn’t the way, the truth, nor the light. The souls of those who have gone before you are still trying to figure out what happened…
With the Ayatollah out of the way one way or another, I think Israeli special forces will once again step up to the plate and take Fordow down by going in and bringing it down completely from within. That would be a great outcome, and America wouldn’t need to get its hands dirty. One can hope!
Amen. By God’s divine, guiding Hand.
The best outcome would be if the Iranian people can over throw the religious fanatics and then work with the Atomic Energy Commission to decommission all nuclear that could be used for bomb building.
President Trump might be giving time for internal changes in Iran, especially with the current top leaders being targeted.
God’s had His hand on Trump although Trump doesn’t know it. God doesn’t choose perfect men, He chooses men perfect for His cause, Trump is standing on the rock!
He was also a war criminal for illegal bombing Serbia just like the Nazis did in WWII. Nato is a Nazi organization and Israel & the Jewish people should be against it. Why they are not is as puzzling as Chuck Schumer, Anthony Blinken & co illegally sending US stolen tax dollars to the Hamas terrorists. And Bibi & Israel not clamoring against it? Is this the Hegelian thingy?
the Powers That
BeSeem won’t be moved. they are hell bent.Clark was and is, a lying P.O.S. You need to double check your sourcing on this. Not saying that your post is false, but there are SO many “well, everybody knows it and this is proof” kinds of posts out there, about 9/11 and how the towers came down, the War in Iraq/Afghanistan, THIS Israeli/Iranian war, etc.. But the “proof” just never is that.
Aside: I’m on facebook (just a little bit, most for my wife to access marketplace), and every time a post about Murphy or Red Wings comes up, a whole LEGION of know-it-all idiots who never served, NEVER WOULD serve, start calling Marcus Luttrell a coward, “the lone runner”, etc.. I challenge every one of them that I read, and the response is either a direct, personal insult, or some straw they grasp at as “proof”. One guy posted a link to a former Green Beret named Nate Cornacchia who runs a youtube channel (for profit!) focused on discrediting other operators. In this video, Cornacchia states frankly that he has no idea of “one runner” is true or not, yet this is the authority the FB idiot posted. My “facts” tell me that a man is known by the company he keeps, and Luttrell has never been attacked by SEALS who served with him, and they weren’t all guys lost during Red Wings. Luttrell served on deployments BEFORE and AFTER Red Wings, after he recovered from his injuries.
So, don’t believe everything you hear, or read, from anyone. “Trust, but verify” is Reagan’s adage towards the former Soviets, and that appeared to be his motto on life as well. Not a bad habit.
With all due respect, this has been known for years, especially here amongst the most informed people on the planet, Sundance’s Treehouse.
General Wesley Clark – 7 countries in 5 years
Hers a link to Israel version of this plan with PNAc
Operation clean break
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Clean_Break:_A_New_Strategy_for_Securing_the_Realm
Operation Clean Break refers to a policy document prepared in 1996 by a study group led by Richard Perle for Benjamin Netanyahu, the then prime minister of Israel. The report outlined a new approach to solving Israel’s security problems in the Middle East with an emphasis on “Western values”. The document proposed a radical shift in Israel’s geopolitical strategy, including the removal of Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq and the containment of Syria by engaging in proxy warfare and highlighting its possession of “weapons of mass destruction”. The report also called for the overthrow of the governments of Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, and Iran. The policy document was criticized for advocating an aggressive new policy, and certain parts of the policies set forth in the paper were rejected by Netanyahu. The Clean Break strategy has been linked to the U.S. invasion of Iraq in 2003 and has been criticized for contributing to the instability in the Middle East.
Ty, it was how I found out about 9/11 a long time ago. They attacked the Orthodox Christian Serbs in the 90’s early 2000’s as a Neocon precursor to this. A large part of CB is to destroy the Orthodox Christians/Russian allies in the ME and Balkans/Europe with Ukraine. The Orthodox Christian Russian people took over their nation from the Globalists lunatic asylum Soviet Union, the “Best Enemy Money Can Buy” as Antony Sutton called it. Hegelian Dialectics. So they really hate Russia now but really liked the Soviet Union. Read a few books on the Rhodesian Bush War and you will realize the Cold War was a lie.
Bill clinton- Rhodes scholar.
What was Madeline Albright quote about all the deaths being worth it. Was that about Serbia?
Iraq, but the Butcher of the Balkans Albright was a Council On Foreign Relations member/higher rank/ as was war criminal Clark.
Also greater Israel project
The “Greater Israel” project is a concept rooted in certain interpretations of Zionist ideology and religious beliefs, suggesting the expansion of Israel’s territory beyond its internationally recognized borders. This idea is often associated with a vision that includes areas historically and biblically significant to the Jewish people, such as parts of modern-day Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, Iraq, and even portions of Saudi Arabia.
Historically, the concept has been linked to the belief that the land from the Nile River in Egypt to the Euphrates River in Iraq was promised to the Jewish people by divine decree, as mentioned in the Bible. The idea has evolved over time and has been interpreted differently by various groups and individuals within Israel and abroad.
In the context of modern politics, the “Greater Israel” project has been discussed in relation to Israel’s military actions and settlement policies in the occupied territories, including the West Bank and Gaza Strip. Some analysts and critics argue that certain Israeli government actions, such as the expansion of settlements and the pursuit of strategic depth, are steps toward realizing this vision.
Maybe it’s all just one big coincidence
🤷🏾♂️
Nm
And… irony of irony… Afghanistan still run by The Taliban…
Syria now run by ISIS!
That too…
And America overrun with refugees.
And is there a correlation there? War is a labor round up – aka cattle drive to market!
Who will get to pick who runs Iran ?
They are priming the notorious MEK terrorists for that role. Operation Cyclone 5 or 6. I’ve lost count. Op Cyclone II was in Bosnia against the secular Bosnian Muslims and their Bosnian Serb allies.
And they’ve never been so flush with new modern mil hardware…
Blast from the Past: PNAC’s 1998 Letter to Clinton
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2008/1/27/444438/-Blast-from-the-Past:-PNACs-1998-Letter-to-Clinton
Clark was also a Rhodes scholar
So is he saying this as a Nato Nazi? A Democrat? A Council On Foreign Relations member? Or another organization?
Or a Rhodes Scholar/Chatham House?
Great meme. I’ve heard that “seven countries” thingy before. Any attribution?
BTW, Gen Clark was an original “perfumed prince” Pentagon creation, i.e. a lying sack of shit. Any other attribution? And, oh by the way, if you like or hate Rumsfeld, he wasn’t an idiot. The chances that he ever announced that intention, with Wolfowitz or otherwise, so that Clark could hear it through the grapevine, was damned well ZERO.
I guess they left from the U.S., not Diego Garcia.
US Deploys B-2 Bombers Capable of Striking Iran’s Fordow Nuclear Site
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“American B-2 stealth bombers left the US and appeared to be heading toward Diego Garcia, a strategic military base in the Indian Ocean, on Saturday.
The warplanes were using the call sign MYTEE21, which has previously been associated with stealth bomber missions. The bombers were accompanied by eight supply planes.
The B-2 Spirit is designed for long-range strike missions and is capable of delivering both conventional and nuclear weapons….”
https://www.thefrank.com/article/us-deploys-b-2-bombers-capable-of-striking-iran-fordow-nuclear-site
How stealth are they when their whereabouts is all over the news?
I watch the other aircraft in the mixer to see what they’re doing, like refuelers and cargo carriers. Right now I’m watching a C5 that just passed by my place maybe 20 minutes ago and looks like it’s headed for the great circle route to Guam. It originated at Travis AFB in California.
Why a C5? It carries big stuff, like 15 ton bombs. Anchorage will tell me that story. The aircraft is squawking over Vancouver Island right now at 36,000 feet on a bearing of 322. Could be nothing, could be something. Callsign is RCH2000 and the hex is AE051D.
They do their missions at night. Stealth refers to low observable radar cross section.
When the F-117 Stealth fighter (actually used as a light bomber) was being developed, it was found that it had the radar signature of a bird.
The “Pave Blue” code named project immediately became top secret.
Afternoon friend, I posted that Clark quote above that came up in our discussion the other day. Cheers mate
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about the size of a basket ball…and with top cap cover and proper jamming near impossible to detect…
much has been made about aircraft movement…same can be said about carrier movement…it doesn’t matter.
when this shit goes down, we know how to protect our asset and men and women better than any military has ever been able to do so and we will continue to proceed into the next generation war fighting with technologies that are more than just rivals to the likes of Russia and china, but are smart, incredible hard to defend against, and highly effective.
side note: we don’t “just fly” aircraft into an area and drop bombs. this isn’t ww2. the kind of “escorts” and pre-operational targets that are zeroed out is a ladder of steps that takes place. For better of for worse, we do this better than anyone else and have made incredible advances…across new spectrum and newly developed doctrines of war fighting. That we have no seen these tactics and strategies should not be taken as an indication we fly the same way we did during the initial Iraq war. The US has matched pass and far exceeded Iran’s and china’s air defenses.
we will have airpower supremacy within a few weeks, carving out a wide swath and taking out the enemies ability to detect and to interdict.
God Bless America
On 2 April 2025 there were six B2s on Diego Garcia. It looks like some serious force accumulation is taking place.
A map which I found useful vis a vis Diego Garcia…
I suppose it makes sense from the viewpoint of Iran to force the use of these bombs. One way or the other that facility is going to be destroyed, so they likely would choose this in the hope it would cause the maximum issues for President Trump. Of course Trump trying to ratchet up the pressure almost has to be factored into this decision.
Doing the math based on the (given above) specs my bunker would:
1) Be 300 feet deep with 3 separate layers 25’ thick 10k PSI Concrete stack spaced 50’ apart.
2) Have Layers of sand between the bottom most layer above the fortress and last 25’ thick slab… to absorb shock.
Conclusion: Unless we have a better penetration weapon, not sure the one we have spec’d above will work.
It does not have to reach the underground facility, just the means to get there.
300 feet is probably deep enough to keep food cold. If one is gonna be trapped 300 feet below ground at least they will have fresh food for a short period of time. Could literally take a year or longer to be rescued……if you’re still alive.
Miners would often have caches of food inside the mine to keep it longer. It’s pretty interesting to wander abandoned mines in the desert. Today, with Youtube, one can wander them virtually.
A vintage TV tech I follow even found civil defense stuff from the 60’s in one mine, like food and water, plus an old civil defense radio. Pretty amazing how those old mines were carved out of mountains by hand, some never graduating to ore carts and tracks. ‘
I remember a couple years ago stumbling across a nuclear bunker for sale in Georgia, very elaborate, all well underground and designed to withstand typical MIRV warheads of the period it was built and provide shelter for an extended period, years.
I’m still of the opinion that nothing is going to happen in Iran to supposed facilities buried under mountains. In the meantime, we can identify more enemies of MAGA. That’s good information. Our problems are here at home, not in Iran.
Uh, deeper is warmer, and there will be no power.
What I still don’t understand is why we don’t just target all the entrances. Bomb the hell out of them, and bury them in thousands of tons of rock.
I thought it was bored into a large mountain . All the concrete you are talking about may be the entrance.
The second bomb goes right into the same hole created by the first bomb. So no problem getting down there, from what I understand.
noting: “bunker buster” type weapons are not designed to simply sink deep into hardened structures. it’s the blast pressure wave…earth and especially hardened structures are highly efficient at transferring pressure waves. you only have to create a force ..and the weapon we are discussing is quite capable of near nuclear weapons level of pressure waves…this resulting pressure waves does the rest far below the penetration region.
Does anyone really believe that a “deadly” stealth bomber is going to be armed with a 30,000lb “bunker buster” ordnance…
On US soil…
Then fly it halfway around the world, fully loaded, to be deployed ?
Is the article written by a third grader ?
I went back and looked at the picture again…
Did anyone recognize the color ?
That right there ladies and gentlemen…
Is an “assault style”…deadly…stealth…
Bomber.
Reg FD disclosure…
I did not serve in the Air Force…
But I was born on MacDill AFB on the third day of ’61.
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The one that flew over my shop, a number of times, was a dark gray color and was low enough I could read the lettering on the panels on the bottom. Very quiet, in fact I missed its first approach, and didn’t get the video camera out until it came back around again. Just a slight whine, with a very muffled jet engine sound as it flew by at a couple hundred feet off the ground. Six passes in total.
It was out from Whiteman in advance of official release to do some ground following radar tests near the then Lemoore Naval Air station. It made the local news when high cover F16’s forced down a couple crop dusters which wandered into the exclusion zone.
I believe the B2’s still run out of Whiteman but my experience was some 33 years ago and I haven’t kept up.
Few years ago I saw one at Duluth air show. They are pretty much silent until it goes by. They did some extra passes and tilted it up for a view of top and bottom during different passes. That big wing flying by at an extreme angle was awesome!
They are still stationed at Whiteman AFB.
Amen…That’s who I trust. He knows what will happen.
Absolutely nuts. That weapon was delivered by ship to some base first.
Incorrect
My posit is the bombs come in by C5, like the one I’m currently watching, and are married to the bombers at a forward base.
Your deficient acumen on the topic is intuitively obvious to the casual observer.
The media AKA the deep state, neocons and warmongers are giddy with excitement! What fools to be excited about war, death and destruction!!! If that gets you excited then there is something wrong with your pleasures!! General Patton was the exception, there’s always an exception!!! JMO
Seems these bombs can be used to drill down to the level of that place. One hits,, loosens the ground, so on and so one until they get to where they need to be. Is that a fantasy? Or can it be done? Someone needs to create drill bombs.
Hasn’t that already happened? I’m not sure, but I would think so.
Methinks it would be military malpractice to not first test the density of the rock. Meaning someone has to go in for a chip sample.
Why not a seismic survey as well?
It would be a great mission for special ops to setup the equipment in several sites within a mile or so of the faculty. The equipment could collect data that could allow for imaging the layout of the underground facility and with the samples more accurately assess suitable strike locations.
Iran has oil wells in Qom. I am sure geological information already exists on “core samples”.
US oil companies would have the data from the early days of exploration and setting up the oil fields overseas.
“Israel Has Walked Off a Cliff” – John Mearsheimer
I’m sure Mossad knows exactly how deep these facilities are maybe even construction blueprints which they have happily shared with President Trump. Mossad has live operatives everywhere, we have tea leaf readers in Langley, Virginia.
Air power against Iran is a waste of time just like it was against the houthis:
Iran’s total land area is approximately 1,648,195 square kilometers (636,372 square miles), making it the 17th largest country in the world
In March 2025, the United States launched a major air and naval campaign against Houthi targets in Yemen, codenamed Operation Rough Rider
The campaign targeted Houthi radar systems, air defenses, and ballistic and drone launch sites, aiming to curb attacks on commercial shipping and naval vessels in the Red Sea and Gulf of Aden
On May 6, 2025, President Trump declared an immediate end to the strikes after a ceasefire was brokered by Oman
June 2025, Houthis still threaten U.S. ships if U.S. joins Israeli attacks on Iran
Saudi Arabia launched its military intervention in Yemen on March 26, 2015, leading a coalition of more than 10 nations against the Houthi armed group (Ansar Allah) after the Houthis ousted President Abdrabbuh Mansur Hadi and seized control of Sanaa. The coalition was supported by the United States, Britain, and other Western states with arms and intelligence
The campaign began with airstrikes targeting Houthi-controlled areas, aiming for a swift victory. However, the conflict became a protracted and costly entanglement for Saudi Arabia, with the Houthis maintaining control over large parts of Yemen
The fighting extended across the Saudi-Yemeni border, with Houthis launching attacks into southern Saudi regions (Asir, Jizan, Najran) and Saudi forces conducting air and ground operations in northern Yemen
In 2022, Saudi Arabia ceased hostilities in Yemen, though no formal peace deal with the Houthis has been reached
Given that the war began in March 2015 and Saudi Arabia shifted away from active military engagement in 2022, the cumulative cost over roughly seven years is widely believed to be between $100 billion and $200 billion.
Depends on the objective 😎
If objective is to:
— destroy nuclear capabilities
— destroy missile capabilities
— destroy Air Force
…then an air campaign can succeed. Especially with “on the ground” operatives to help specify targets
Bunker busters are amazing
Trump appears to be giving Iran every reason and opportunity to stop its nuclear weapons program. Colonel Mills has suggested Trump take a lesson from Franklin Roosevelt before we entered WWII. He could not legally give weapons to the Brits so he had armaments moved to the Canadian border and left them. So, could Trump’s Air Force deliver one GBU-57 to Israel and then let them figure out how to drop it. Bannon says the Iranian people need to rise up against the Ayatollah, but they have no means of of revolting. Praying Trump is getting good advice.
No chance of happening.
Whatever happened to all those NGOs sparking up color revolutions all over the globe?
I don’t think Trump will drop the Bunker Buster MOP. There are several reasons why not, beginning with the decision not to kill the Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. Here are mine.
The decision not to take Ayatollah Ali Khamenei out, at least so far, was the Israelis’ choice. And it was a wise one under Iran’s Shiite religious ideology. To some casual observers outside the region, this omission may truly be inexplicable. But killing and therefore martyring Khamenei would have produced explosive consequences far beyond the battlefield.
Under Iran’s constitution, the death of the Supreme Leader triggers an emergency succession process managed by the Assembly of Experts. Since the March 2024 elections, this body has been dominated by clerics aligned with the hardliner factions.
Their candidate would likely be Mojtaba Khamenei, the Supreme Leader’s son and behind-the-scenes enforcer. However, Mojtaba faces a problem: he lacks the necessary religious credentials for the role. He has never issued a formal legal opinion, never taught in the traditional seminaries of Qom or Najaf, and has never been accepted as a senior clerical authority.
In Shi’a Islam, legitimacy must be earned through decades of scholarship and peer recognition; it is not inherited, as with a monarchy. Had Israel killed Khamenei, this would likely have fast-tracked and legitimized Mojtaba’s rise. Absent that, it would be very controversial. Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani in Iraq, for example, has long rejected Iran’s system of having a cleric as a political ruler. As long as the Ayatollah lives to a ripe old age, Mojtaba is both too illegitimate to unify the system and too protected to be sidelined. Thus, he may stall Iran’s succession process into a doctrinal stalemate — one that Israel has now made more likely by weakening his military protectors while leaving his father alive.
Iran’s political theology is structured around the concept of martyrdom. The seventh-century deaths of Ali and Hussein form the religious foundation of resistance and sacrifice. Had Khamenei been killed by an Israeli missile, it would not have been processed politically, but also mythologically. His death would have been viewed as a reenactment of the Karbala tragedy. That would have sanctified his son, unified Iran’s factions, and legitimized violent escalation from Iran’s regional proxies.
These groups — Hezbollah in Lebanon, the Houthis in Yemen, and Kata’ib Hezbollah in Iraq — see themselves as guardians of the Supreme Leader’s religious authority. Iranian defectors have long hinted at internal escalation plans that treat the assassination of the Supreme Leader as a trigger for full-spectrum retaliation: coordinated missile barrages, cyberattacks on Gulf energy terminals, and asymmetric operations against U.S. targets in the region. Sparing Khamenei denies Iran that trigger.
It also preserves strategic ambiguity. By targeting Iran’s ability to act but not its spiritual figurehead, Israel prevents the regime from invoking an existential crisis.
The message to Iran’s mid-level commanders and bureaucrats is clear: Escalation is not inevitable. There is still room for recalibration and making the decision that surrender is better than annihilation.
What is best for the Iranian people? It is clear the worst outcome would be the clerical regime remains in power, enforced by the Revolutionary Guard. Israel does not have the boots on the ground to enact a military government, so it must rely on decapitation of the regime, including the top clerics and the top guard officers. Otherwise a terrorist nation would exist in Iran for years or decades more. It is said the top military brass are willing to pledge loyalty to the Shah, so putting Pahlavi on the Peacock throne would be good enough for now. That would present a benign presence, willing to remove the nuclear sites and instruments of war and return safety and security to the people. It is the nearest available option for peace.
History is replete with examples of heads of state deposing other heads of state. Time and again, if the deposed leader is left living, it redounds to the peril of his adversary. Now that war in Iran is hot, entombing the Ayatollah in his bunker could make way for a peaceful end. These world leaders know that going in, that they could meet such a fate. If the bunker busters are aimed at him and his fellow clerics, I would not be surprised.
The job of blowing up the centrifuges in the hardened bunkers is best left to special forces, who are trained to enter these places by stealth and destroy them with certainty.
“I don’t think Trump will drop the Bunker Buster MOP.”(sic)
Do you prefer your crow well done or raw?
A huge disservice of the information age.. revealing our moves to the enemy
Godspeed to all who are fighting this proxy war on the behalf of good and holy people. It’s the innocents who shed their blood due to the corrupt.
The information age is also fertile ground for disinformation. PDJT has long used media and ‘information’ to do his bidding and in my opinion he’s quite proficient at it.
His actions, historically, have trended to being a POTUS of peace. I see no reason nor impetus for that to change, even in the face of pressure from warmongers.
Whenever I start feeling a warmonger urge come over me, which it does on occasion, I queue up ‘Taking Chance‘ for a reality check.
A certain line from Aliens comes to mind…
“Is this going to be a stand up fight or a bug hunt?”
Man, I miss Bill Paxton. Was just watching him last night, not long before he died, in ‘Edge of Tomorrow‘
The media is giddy….
This is exactly the characteristic of the public discussion Bannon has been criticizing. In his view, this smells way too much like 2002-2003 on the way to the forever war of Iraq.
I smell a divide and conquer MAGA plot. (Sorry if y’all have been saying this all along, I can’t keep up with everything all the time and still do life.)
Then there is this gem:
https://gettr.com/post/p3mebsmf6a2
I was once stopped at a light to make a left turn (El Toro Rd onto Moulton Pkwy, when the El Toro Marine base was still open). I felt a ‘presence’, a sense of something above me, but no sound. I buzzed down my window…and there it was…the B2 Stealth bomber coming in for a landing at El Toro. The thing was huge, and amazing. I’ll always remember what a remarkable experience that was!
Reminds me of when all the choppers from El Toro were flying over our homes–that pit in my stomach knowing the Marines were deploying to the Middle East (the first Gulf War).
In the past month there has been all kinds of air traffic running dark near my place, both helos and fixed wing, and I live nowhere near a military base. I did catch a couple 135’s (tankers) doing race tracks along the beach at about 10,000 feet. No idea why.
By ‘dark’ means I see them through the binocs or with my eyes but there is no ADS-B data being transmitted. That doesn’t happen with civilian aircraft. I saw a formation of C130’s and V22’s fly by recently and only the C130’s were on ADS-B.
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Hear our prayers. There are soldiers on boats off the coast. There a soldiers in aircraft. There are intelligence agents on ground and embedded. There are analysts listening to their every word and reporting to their commanders. Father, let no misinformation or lies leave their lips. Father, make THE TRUTH be known and may our Commander in Chief act on it nobly and with cause. Let no lives be spent unnecessarily and let none of the sacrifices of our agents be in vain to them and their person, and to that of their families who love them.
Make us effective in these wars. The proxy war of this world and the Spiritual War on demons.
In Jesus’s Holy and Saving Name, I pray, send Your angels to aide our conquests and may our arrows find their marks with Holy Purity.
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Sundance, the pragmatism! It is astonishing how many so called conservative alt media can’t take this approach, they want to emote based on what so and so said and/or believes. The mantra that actions speak louder than words seems to be lost on most. Thank God we have been blessed with people like Sundance who can see through the BS!!!! THANK YOU
I cannot see this operation succeeding without boots on the ground to assess the damage. Does Mossad have implants to do that? Likely but who knows. Oh, and here’s a thought: would anyone know if Israelis have been trained to fly B-2’s? Something like a short term lease?
Erik Prince says Israel could push the bombs out of the back of a big military transport since they have air supremacy. The bombs are really simple.
But they work best at 50k feet not 25k feet that transports fly at because velocity for penetration is required.
Israel already has boots on tne ground.
Or did you miss the reporting about the IDF in country drone strikes?
….and many other experts say they will NOT be able to penetrate straight down to the target due to most bunkers being designed and engineered with diversion material that will alter the path of the BBB as it dives down toward it’s target….which is also a guess.
The bunker buster already existed when Iran built Fordow, I believe. They would have mitigated for the bomb during construction.
The Vietnam Effect.
I wish Trump, with his billions, would have mercy on American children. Do not add to the debt that they must spend their lives paying for. If it is SO IMPORTANT that Israel get the help we’re giving them, then let them pay for it. Priority will change instantly and every penny will be pinched.
What Israel won’t pay for, the billionaire class must pay for through wealth confiscation. It must be real wealth as the value of private jets and golf courses will plummet in value.
The greatest weapon that Iran faces is radical Islam. The second greatest is the ordinary American citizen’s willingness to watch their children fall further into slavery.
Short of this, I’d like Trump to explain why my grandchildren have to pay for any of this.
Pop quiz: which is shorter, Whiteman AFB, Mo to (1) Guam (2) Teheran ?
That’s right, Teheran, over Greenland. Maybe the 2 weeks are almost up.
It doesn’t make any sense to move bombers to Guam if their intention was Tehran
China?
My posit is, if they are doing the heavy bombing, they’ll marry the bombs to the bombers in Guam and fly the ocean route, avoiding any land overflight, with refueling, until absolutely necessary to get to the target.
Forex, a single C5 could carry eight bunker busters with auxiliary gear/mounts, no problem.
That shortest, great circle route from Whiteman to Tehran would also take you over Iceland, Norway, Sweden, and multiple Eastern European nations to include Ukraine, making it impractical. You would need multiple country clearances from countries that would not necessarily be sympathetic to what the US would be trying to accomplish along with flying over an active war zone. https://www.greatcirclemap.com/?routes=SZL-OICC
Going to Guam and perhaps Diego Garcia first allows the B2s to make most of the flight to Iran over the Pacific and Indian Oceans where country clearances are not an issue. It makes perfect sense that this would be the preferred route for striking Iran.
Guam is pit stop on way to Diego Garcia 😎
Someone, someday, is going to light one off within a populated area. Until then it’s the game of whack a mole. If the radicals are forced out of Iran they will head elsewhere and regroup. Nine countries possess nukes, three of them are not happy with the thought of us potentially destroying Iran. North Korea is as radical as Iran but I think China pulls their strings.
God bless and guide President Trump with his decision making process.
The bombs can’t do the job, we know that now from push-back from military people. For one thing, the complex is huge and the bombs have a small blast radius. We would have to bomb 50 sites to luck out and get the correct room. When multiple bombs are used, the later bombs could go right past the tunnel and go into the floor and detonate harmlessly.
Let’s pretend that the bombs drop, how would we even know if it was successful?
Iran knows how to launch a missile that flies an EMP delivery profile. They already successfully tested this capability. If they had a nuke they would use it to EMP the US. They would get a ship to bring the missile close to the US and launch.
Second, Iran could start lobbing dirty-bombs at Tel Aviv.
Russia and/or China is using Iran as a proxy using Pakistan and North Korea. Russia/China are allowing Iran to work on the bomb for a reason. Paki or NORK could just loan Iran a nuke like Russia did to Belarus.
What are you trying to say?
Let Iran have nukes?
‘A fanatic is one who can’t change his mind and won’t change the subject.’
Winston S. Churchill
Can’t swing a sword without hitting a fanatic, here or there.
Let’s not count on UK for support … they can’t even keep saboteurs out of their RAF bases
Palestine ‘Activists’ Break Into Secure Airfield, Sabotage Royal Air Force Jets
Two RAF logistics jets damaged at one of Britain’s most theoretically secure airfields by pro-Palestine activists who escaped undetected.
Stir the psychology of the adversary..
And, who is say Guam is the destination. As far as the way adversaries perceive capabilities.
They could be flying to the darkside of the moon.
One thing is for sure, the wack-a-dootles with binoculars at the far end of Whiteman’s runway. Can only report nothing now to MSM.
Love the 6/21 date by the way.
“Grossi in his interview with La Nacion this week said that Fordow is 500 meters (1,500 feet) underground(!) beneath solid rock. Nothing short of a full-on nuke could take out those kinds
of facilities “
Here, Grossi claims ½ mile (800 meters):
https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/artc-iaea-s-grossi-iran-s-nuclear-installations-are-too-deep-underground-to-be-destroyed-by-surgical-strike
On the other hand, there is: Six B-2 stealth bombers from Whiteman Air Force Base in Missouri appear to be en route…. (they say Guam). That is 2 bombs per plane * 6 planes = 12 bombs. If they can progressively dig a few hundred feet per bomb, it might be enough?
Presuming Israel/U.S. knows the location, initial attack can render the access to the outside inert and trap some very valuable humans who work in the nuclear process industry underground and, with air supremacy and satellite and drone coverage, can take out any attempts to reach or rescue or rebuild, for years if necessary.
I wouldn’t advocate for any of that but could see the mission contours as doable.