According to the New York Times, the IRS will begin laying off up to 6,000 staff this week.
(New York Times) – The Internal Revenue Service will begin laying off roughly 6,000 employees on Thursday as part of the Trump administration’s push to downsize the federal work force, three people familiar with the agency’s plans said.
The terminations will target relatively recent hires at the I.R.S., which the Biden administration had attempted to revitalize with a surge of funding and new staff, the people said on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly.
The Trump administration has begun laying off probationary employees — who do not enjoy as much job protection as their more tenured colleagues — across the federal government in recent days.
I.R.S. managers on Wednesday began asking employees to report to the office in the coming days and bring with them their government-issued equipment, according to messages viewed by The New York Times. The I.R.S. employs roughly 100,000 accountants, lawyers and other staff across the country. (read more)
Is this even a legit x account? I’ve seen tons of accounts that look legit with Trump’s name in the title along with JD Vance’s, and many more official names, but I have a strong feeling they are not.
Yes, it is. On X, the DOGE account has listed several gov’t agencies with @DOGE_IRS (example) accounts for people to report fraud, suggestions, waste…..
Boo Hoo /not
Wish it would all be frozen – just had my taxes done and I am NOT pleased!!!!!!!!!!!!
I’m not pleased either. Here is my take on it. Some days chicken, some days feathers. 🙂
what’in your wallet.
me: 6.000 less parasites
winnamins. please mother, may I have another scoop?
God Bless America
100,000 employees? More than Health and human services, more than department of labor, Department of Transportation, the FAA, the Treasury, Dept of State….etc.
Holy cow!
100,000 employees to harass maga. Tea party harrasment was their prototype. It was supposed to be massive harrasment 2025. Thank God people voted for PDJT.
x1000
And imagine, the bird brain wanted to hike corporate taxes up to 80%!
Yeppers. We have at least 47 months to go, and maybe more if we work at it.
With over four decades as a CPA, I’ll give you some insight into the IRS. Congress, yes CONGRESS, passes bullsh*t tax laws which the IRS scrambles to interpret what they really meant by it. What’s in that new code section? How much of the 9,834 sections of the code can anyone really comprehend. Bloated messed up tax code? Put the blame where it belongs, on Congress.
Then they process about 170 million individual returns each year. Add to that all those payroll forms, 1099’s, and 30 million business returns. Don’t forget estate returns, EIN applications, et al. On top of that they’re tasked with other stuff (send out stimulus checks and what not).
Whether for lack of funding or lack of the right people to manage the task, they’ve been way behind on the tech front forever. And a friend that went to work in IT dept at IRS said that compared to the business world, the folks working there are “slow”.
Comment from the best man at my wedding while working at the IRS, “You don’t have to work very hard to be considered a Superstar around there.”
So they’re gonna get rid of 6k. Now my wait time to talk to someone at IRS goes from 45 min to 90. And the audit just resolved after 18 months will take two plus years next time.
The IRS call center employees are all “working” from home. They’ve been working from home since 2020. I work next door to one of those call centers in Franklin, TN. The parking is basically empty. I’d say there’s 500 employees and maybe there’s at most 50 employees in the building on any one day.
It is the attorneys that write the law with sufficient vagueness that it creates litigation to go to court to have a judge decide, followed by an appeal, over and over again. The approach has empowered and employed the judicial system with constant growth. The most famous example of this was Bill Clinton’s definition of “is.”
It is hard for one to solve the problem their livelihood depends on.
Like when we submitted our individual return in April, and it didn’t get processed until September. Only good thing is IRS paid pretty good interest on our rebate (I would put this in the category of “waste”, though did have to declare the interest as gross income the next year). If laying off employees results in more slowdown in processing returns then I say that’s bad.
Really 6,000 new hires will slow your returns?
Maybe DOGE can sell them a new software package while they are at it. At least a bad IT department can be fixed by some good programmers and better hardware after all of the stolen money gets found. Until then, lets fire all of them we can, says I.
I seriously doubt more than the State Department .
Gee, that is too bad. Where is my refund for my 2018 tax return? It was virtually a one line return arising from an estate timely filed. Proof of the timeliness was actually written on the tax return!
I remember once waiting 3 years for my tax return. No interest paid, of course.
I’ve been waiting since 2020 to close out my step-mother’s account. Sent in the return, they owe her estate 1K. Months later they send me a letter to not inquire about this account for more months. I waited way past the allowed time to inquire and was sent a letter requesting more info. I sent the info and waited more months before getting the exact same letter requesting more info only this time it was from a CA office. Mind you, they had returned the document from the first ‘more info’ letter so it wasn’t like it was lost. Still waiting.
This is causing a big whine here in northern Utah – a bunch of those IRS new hires are here. Supposedly 5% of workers in Weber County work for the Federal government.
No wonder Utah has flipped lavender/blue; I was wondering what happened to that state. Lots of government employees explains it.
I guess they will have to find a real job, lol.
Guess it’s time to learn to code!
Haha! Wait till they find out you can’t get hired if you’re not a visa worker.
That goes double for those “working” in the IT dept.
Working for the IRS is a “real job.” To be employed with the IRS you have to have either and/or an have an accounting degree or even some legal experience. Even an IRS agent deserves to earn a living with the knowledge, skills, and experience they have earned to do so.
It is not any employee who works for the IRS’s fault that the *ssholes in charge of the IRS have formerly used their positions to weaponize the tax system against US citizen’s.
My thought is the IRS ought to have an Investigative Branch. They already have that for ordinary citizens. No big deal for me. I got many notices from them when I used to prepare my Mom’s taxes for her. Never freaked out about it. I’ve made mistakes that were rectified.
My dream is that the IRS goes after the all of the “foundations” created who get to write off on their “investment” on their returns. I think all them are getting a “carry forward break ” from year to year that is probably more money than I’ve made in my lifetime.
You’re wrong about having to have experience. My nephew was just hired a month ago and he barely graduated high school. He works as a clerk in an auditor’s office in Weber County, Utah.
Sure, you can get hired as a GS-3 step 1 clerk/typist for $27,000, if that’s what you inspire to.
My dream is the the IRS goes the way of the Dodo. Full stop.
Hear hear!
No.
Make it quick like a public hanging.
Good luck repealing the 16th Amendment.
Repealing the 16th amendment does nothing. The USSC going back to the 1796 Hylton v. United States decision where the taxing power was declared to be plenary. The 16th amendment was a technical amendment that declared income taxes from any source followed the rule of uniformity. This was to get around USSC decisions that you had to look to the source of the income to determine which rule to follow (court decided income from rents and dividends had to follow the rule of apportionment).
Note that there has never been a ruling that Congress could not impose a tax on occupations or employments.
The US in the past did enact direct taxes that operated like real property taxes. The US was divided into assessment districts with assessors reporting to the commissioner of internal revenue. Not sure we want to go back to that.
IRS only targets conservative non-profits. It’s in the by-laws (kidding).
Maybe they can all learn how to pick crops, like they told us all the ILLEGAL ALIENS were brought here to do.
My nephew was one of them. I keep warning him he may not have his job for long. I guess we’ll see
Tough luck.
From my experience as a CPA, Ogden at least is functional. Others are like black holes. Anything sent to Cincinnati IRS office is problematic.
We used to be “serviced” by Ogden, but for some reason a couple years ago we now go through Cincinnati.
If there is only 5%, you guys in Utah are doing pretty good. I am from Colorado and Denver was pretty much built by the Federal Government. I would guess 25% of Denver is on a Government payroll.
Only 6,000?!? Didn’t one of Biden’s inflation-creating bills authorize 87,000 new IRS agents?
It was 87K over 6 years I believe
yes and many of that 87k are not even hired yet.
Authorized and hired are two different things. Perhaps 6,000 is all they have hired so far out of that authorization.
And likely all probationary.
Let’s hope so.
It was make work for the illegal aliens. 😉
Wonderful news as I begin doing my taxes. Less chance now of being audited I would think. Not that I cheat on my taxes but I don’t want any kind of interaction with the IRS other than filing my taxes.
bye bye lois
werent much of a learner, were she? should be tried for what she did to the TEA Sippers… hang her up and maybe she will shine light on barry.
I wonder if she (or Barry) have enough self-awareness to realize that people (me!) still remember that Tea-Party-targeting-bullsh!t and that Trump being elected is actually an outcome of her prior actions?
Probably not.
Doge needs to go into her cohorts old computer. They will find her dirty work in those servers. She MUST go to jail.
IRS needs to go after this bitch:
https://freebeacon.com/trump-administration/billions-doge-found-parked-at-bank-earmarked-for-stacey-abrams-backed-green-group/
What the heck?
Nice find !! And thank you for posting.
Someone needs to go to jail for this!
Should be confiscated and given to Appalachian flood victims. Then make the big cow put on jumpsuit and pick up trash on the roadside.
NGOs are the heart of the corruption.
Time to clean ’em up and name names.
She won’t be the only one you recognize.
They need to PUMP THOSE UP! Those are ROOKIE NUMBERS!!!!!
It’s like the old joke, “what do you call a bus full of lawyers going over a cliff?…. A good start!”
Just transpose 6,000 IRS agents ha
Lawyer jokes are wearisome. Many love to hate on lawyers until you actually need one.
We’d need a lot less, if there were a lot less.
just look at class action suits… millions for the lawyers and $5 for the plaintiffs.
Mm hmm.
They’ve earned it. Zero sympathy for the Norm Eisens of this world.
A bunch of leftist snobs with their noses in the air. Fire all those 84k armed agents who were going to harass anyone with $600 transactions.
I really love the idea of parking them on the border. You want to be an armed agent? Ok…. There you go!
Actually we can send them to the Southern Border. Much better use of their “skills” don’t you think?
I doubt if they’d do much good keeping us safe.
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No violence – please
Easy for you to say
I WANT JUSTICE
I SIMLPY ASK FOR JUSTICE
A few employees is good but closing down whole apartment is even better,
If true it’s a good start.
Matt Smith and Michael Farris podcast talking about probable US financial reset plan is an *essential* watch.
Plan exists and is documented. Dramatic in scope. Capital controls. Dollar devaluation. Severe inflation. But system survives.
Yes, but do we?
“6,000 bottles of beer on the wall, 6,000 bottles of beer, take one down and….”
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6,000 is good. But is not enough.
And about this: ”The terminations will target relatively recent hires at the I.R.S., which the Biden administration had attempted to revitalize with a surge of funding and new staff…”
No, that’s not what the Biden regime was doing. The massive surge in 2024 hiring was meant to stuff the ranks of the civil service with waves upon waves of government employees…people most likely to vote and donate to Democrats and highly predisposed to impose their will on everyday Americans.
In short, the hiring spree was a vote buying and money laundering (via public employee unions) scheme. And the hiring of enforcers.
The best answer to this is to simply erase the damage Biden did by reversing the 2024 hiring binge.
It’s also possible that part of the reason for the hiring spree was to load the roster with recent hires, to throw to the wolves when the RIFs hit.
This sort of thing has been done before by government. Wolves’ stratagems against wolves.
Matthew 10:16:
‘ “Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves. Therefore be wise as serpents and harmless as doves.” ‘
The gloating of some in MAGA is troubling.
Pray for the hapless recent hires indiscriminately fired with no notice or severance to bridge to another job. They are being abused (by a new pack of wolves) for ulterior goals that have little to do with spending reduction or efficiency.
The logo of the new pack of wolves (genus Canis) is appropriate:
But why stop there? We were already top heavy, so keep pruning!
I was talking about this at work yesterday with a colleague who asked how all the work will get done if they fire everyone. I pointed out how lean our company runs, and that when you run lean you work really hard not to invent work to to. You don’t have time.
If they get rid of more people, there will be pressure to get rid of policies and rules and regulations that serve no purpose except to give someone something to do or to harass productive people.
There will be a short term economic impact that we need to brace for. Putting 200,000 people in the unemployment rolls and the ripple effects in real estate and brick and mortar businesses will be significant.
I may not like IRS agents, but they do buy coffee at the local coffee shop. The coffee shop owner isn’t a govt employee, but her business will be impacted, too.
I’ve observed for decades now that “the government never has a recession”. We’re going to get front row seats to see how a govt recession impacts a country where 50% of the workers have a fed/state/local govt job or govt adjacent like contractors, tax prep companies, healthcare workers, etc.
Everyone of their jobs were going to be replaced by AI if PT doesn’t manage to do away with the whole thing.
I pointed out how lean our company runs –
Does the company use the 5S system?
I’ve worked for companies that use, it’s unmatchable.
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
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“Trump says he’ll work with Republicans in Congress to ‘dramatically’ cut taxes”
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-says-hell-work-with-republicans-congress-dramatically-cut-taxes-2025-02-19/
We’ll see who helps (very few, I’m betting) and who tries to trip him up.
-imagine
what 6,000
OVER staffed
would be like 😝
Its about time, government at almost all levels is bloated and inefficient, no longer serves the people but treats us like a piggy bank and punching bag, our founders must be rolling in their graves that we have allowed it to get to this point
Virtually all non-illegal immigrant job hires during Biden’s term was for government workers. I saw somewhere the figure 38,000 just the last month or quarter can’t remember which but we know it certainly wasn’t US citizens in the private sector.
Remember when some government agency sued Elon for hiring too many Americans at SpaceEx? You can’t make this stuff up!
There was a concerted effort to stuff the ranks. The regime knew Biden was going to lose. So they started doing things to make it hard for Trump to get things done. IOW, they tried to plant as many landmines as they could
– launching missiles into Russia
– killing millions of chickens to creat food shortages
– hiring hundreds of thousands of govt employees
– sowing seeds for war with China
Trump has outsmarted them. Not in a million years did they expect him to take a chainsaw to the Biden regime’s policies.
Devastated
How do we go on?
Unburdened by what has been.
Chuckle, chuckle….
How confusing…..lol. Didn’t Biden think we needed 87,000 more IRS agents??
TARIFFS
will they kill the IRS ?
Not if Congress has anything to do with it. Probable licking their chops over the “extra’ money tariffs will bring.
THE FREEDOMS THAT WE ENJOY IN THIS GREAT COUNTRY WAS NOT GIVEN TO US WILLINGLY BY THE BRITISH CROWN
OUR FOREFATHERS SHOT THE BASTARDS
I frankly think that we need to take another look at “IRS” in its entirety. For example: why do we go through the annual ritual of “filing an income tax return?” For most employees, their taxes are withheld every month. If they have a home mortgage, the balance on that note is available knowledge.
Most people, in other words, have an “uncomplicated” tax situation, so we could just send them a bill – or, a check. Today we could even do everything “online.”
The IRS has long been criticized as one of the most expensive agencies. Which is paradoxical since its purpose is to collect money. But, we have created a hideously-complicated tax code full of loopholes that don’t apply to most people. We are schlepping tons of paper around every year, but the “return” doesn’t provide any information that IRS should not already know. We built this monstrosity of regulations just because we could. But, we didn’t think about it while doing so.
There are great opportunities for “Government Efficiency” here, for those who can look outside the box. We can even afford to collect some of the taxes that are owed, if we can become more efficient in collecting what we do.
Just bill me and let me pay that amount.
It’s absurd.
I read somewhere, long ago, that what you want was actually what was supposed to happen. Treasury was supposed to send you a bill. What we have now makes us all unpaid tax collectors. Wish I could remember the source….
Because the tax code is thousands of pages and it supports an entire massive industry of lawyers and tax prep firms. Those groups lobby heavily to keep the tax industry train rolling.
All those “rules” were created by the rich …for the rich. Using those rules and loopholes enables them to pay far fewer taxes, While so confusing for the little guy, he unknowingly breaks rules and still ends up paying more than he should.
The “rich” pay all the income tax. The top 10% pay 72% of the tax. The top 1% pay 40%. The “little guy” mostly is paying FICA, not income tax, and even for that gets EITC refunded.
Of course, IRS has agreements with some states to have online returns (and for me, doing state returns is more work than fed). Your idea is great except “income” is an accounting concept and tax code for individuals has four different definitions (gross, adjusted gross, modified adjusted gross, taxable).
I assume you don’t have sked C, E, or F income to worry about. I don’t think the 87k IRS employees are for processing your W-2 income only return.
I do wonder why out of all the paper we get, we are supposed to attach hard copies of W-2 and 1099 that show withholding to our returns. That would be the first thing I get rid of.
I see, read and hear the other side, every day. Even when it is that last thing I want exposure to.
My family has been through job loss countless times, devastatingly on occasion, and I do not remember sympathy or any of this bologna from anybody.
We have elections every 4 years. I know history starts at 9/11 for some of these morons but come on. Housing values falling in DC? Boo hoo. Really the hand wringing is nuts to me.
Put on your big boy or girl pants and grow up. Hopefully you know which one.
I need the tiny violin.
The IRS, in general, has been abusive and tyrannical. The entire entity should be abolished.
I have zero empathy. There should be a flat tax and no tax breaks. Everybody pays. No loopholes. No freebies. That would be fair.
Once the government is cut down to size and made efficient, it could work.
You can’t have a “flat tax” until you first define “income”. Defining income, which is an accounting concept, is always a matter of opinion. So you get related concepts, like “capital asset” and “depreciation”. There’s no shortcut method for this.
Thanks for DOGE, you are our country Heroes,
most of Thanks To President Trump for actually helping,
Stop laziness go finding real job,
I can’t even imagine what would be in the news if Trump lost. I don’t know why but it worries me still.
This just warms my heart.
Only 6.000? They hired 88,000 last year I suggest 95,000 is an appropriate starting number. By the way I find it amazing that the Dhimmirats hired this many terrorists to keep the proles inline and are horrified to see their piggy banks being audited and questions being asked about how taxpayer funds were misused and stolen. Corruption on this scale demands prosecutions on a level that demand a historical monument. Further the crimes are so epic, so treasonous, they demand the ultimate penalty for the monies can never be recovered nor the damage never repaired. Thus the penalities must be of such nature that no one would ever dare contemplate ever imagine trying them again under any circumstances.
The 2.2M employee federal workforce is only about 4% of total budget, and indiscriminately firing recent hires on probation will not improve efficiency nor reduce spending significantly.
It seems the main purpose is to spread anxiety far and wide, and degrade morale of remaining employees, as fired employee friends, family, co-workers will be affected.
Here’s one glimpse:
https://www.mediaite.com/tv/jesse-watters-makes-on-air-plea-to-trump-for-veteran-friend-who-got-doged-in-pentagon-cuts/?cfp
It’s all just numbers, until it’s someone you know.
My experience with these “across the board” workforce reductions is that it makes everything less efficient. That’s because it’s done without first reforming OPM regs. So here we get rid of probationary hires, because it’s easiest, not because these are the actual redundancies.