There are many people who only became aware of Elon Musk after he dropped Ron DeSantis and took up a position in support of President Trump.
Most of those people do not have a reference for Musk complying with the platform control demands of Brazil, France and Turkey [Durov (Telegram), and Pavlovski (Rumble) did not].
Most of those Pro-Elon people also do not have a reference for Musk claiming he and his legal team did not know former FBI Chief Legal Counsel James Baker was the legal counsel for Twitter at the time of the purchase, until after independent journalist Matt Taibbi was researching the Twitter Files and complained about Baker filtering information. {GO DEEP} Musk fired Baker, and eventually, Musk kicked Taibbi out and shut down the Twitter File reviews.
Additionally, almost all of the Musk supporters do not know about Elon Musk giving the DOJ/FBI user data of all MAGA accounts following Donald Trump on the Twitter platform. {Go Deep}
Taken as a whole, this is a small portion of the context that explains my long-standing issues with Elon Musk, who has now seemingly achieved demigod status as an untouchable elite in the orbit of President Trump according to those who support him.
The issue with the transmission of user data to the DOJ/FBI is not an issue of Elon Musk complying with a subpoena; the bigger issue was Musk simultaneously telling the public that Twitter user data was secure and would not be compromised by government.
At the same time Musk was saying the platform and user data would be secure from government intrusion, he was sending the FBI/DOJ all of the metadata for Trump supporters on Twitter. That was/is a big issue that many now pretend not to remember.
To be fair, at the time of his public statements, Musk was not supporting Donald Trump. In fact, he was intending to use his platform to elevate the status of his favored candidate, Florida Governor Ron DeSantis. As a result, Musk had no motive or intent to impede the effort of the DOJ/FBI targeting of President Trump or his supporters. However, that doesn’t change the reality of what took place.
Setting aside all of the financial issues in/around the purchase of Twitter -which are numerous- the real issue behind the metadata was Musk saying something false; while knowing he was complying with government. This was a point when Musk’s integrity on these matters was revealed.
Beyond the H1B visa issue, this history is part of the reason why many people are concerned about Elon Musk’s proximity and influence with President Donald Trump.
Just as President Trump is likely unaware the full scope of what Pam Bondi did in George Zimmerman case to support a false witness, so too is President Trump likely unaware of Musk’s involvement with the DOJ/FBI to send them MAGA targeting information. Quite simply, there is no one in President Trump’s orbit who would ever share these specific details.
Elon Musk was also an attendee at the 2016, Sea Island summit in Georgia – the original assembly of 54 billionaires who agreed to work together and fund the “stop Trump” movement.
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CTH is not always in alignment with Steve Bannon, but on this issue we are.
Do you know how many H1B visa engineers work at tech heavy Rumble? … ZERO. Not One.
Having said that, we accept that President Trump is attached to Elon Musk now. Quite simply, there is no way for President Trump to separate himself from Elon Musk having embraced him so close. If President Trump were to dispatch Musk now, the media would spin the separation into a weakness of Trump not able to cope with another globally influential person in his orbit.
I never had an account with Dorsey’s Twitter and I never have since opened an account with Musk’s X. Never liked the idea of giving my identity to that platform. I was turned off by all the doxing in the early days on that platform.
Let’s take an account of where things stand.
Elon favors H1Bs. Majority of MAGA patriots don’t.
19 days until inauguration. Bell rings at noon. Rainstorm EOs released. Shitstorm ensues. Deportations explode.
Elon & Vivek will go to their little offices and start red lining the 2025 budget for the next 2 years.
PT handles H1B at some point – reforms, not dissolve. He knows where MAGA stands. He has far more on his plate than H1Bs. Everybody needs to calm down as midterms will begin to brew…..
President Trump
President Trump can do all of these things and kick vivek and Elon to the curb right now.
He’s done similar things in every single major business deal his entire career. it’s the one thing he’s known for. Hire the right people, and let them get after it. if they get it done, reward them. if they fail or cause problems, let YOU ARE FIRED.
it’s not possible for President Trump to realize what the stakes are here. it’s not just perception about his incoming, but a mark against what has made him highly successful. he has a nose for talent and also problem people.
I din’t think he should wait. All it does is that it gives MAGA reasons to be concerned, for fact reasons..and plenty of ammo for the press later to scatter shot, which we can expect.
this is a foreseeable problem…letting it go rancid is an unforced error.
noting: I made a big deal out of pointing out that President Trump received 99 percents of his campaign money from main street…and that WAS true. I pointed out the dangers of taking big money and how that has always changed the prirorities of any political candidate…those dollars are not gifts…they are in fact IOU’s.
then very late in the election cycle, right near the vote date, Elon steps in an drops half a billion.
Trump accepted. then MORE BILLIONAIRE MONEY WAS AIR LIFTED IN.
Trump Accepted.
I held my tongue.
and THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS.
I get the information that Sundance is publishing in this article and I do not dispute any of that.
but there is more to consider also.
President Trump has made a decision to accept BIG IOU’s from Elon.
and there is clearly a reason why he has not said a word when Elon has shit on the American high skilled labor force.
that reason is BIG MONEY.
there are no other logical reasons to explain it.
I’m not going to hold my tongue anymore about this.
I vote for President Trump. Not Elon.
President Trump does not get a free pass because of prior success. He needs to unwind this mess and now.
even if it means, publicly giving all that money back to these billionaires.
yes,,that would be the right thing to do. He doesn’t need it. He never really needed it.
We see these things and they are not in our own best interests. This is not why we voted for President Trump.
can he succeed in this current situation..perhaps…but this is going to dilute the vision we had and that is far more important than scoring bonus points with a few self interested billionaire’s who have made it clear, they are no more interested in building industry IN AMERICA FOR AMERICA than they are claiming to be some kind of Uber MAGA.
God Bless America
President Trump is not going to kick Elon Musk to the curb because he respects and returns loyalty. You of all people here know that!
It’s not loyalty being shown to Pres. Trump, though. Musk is looking out for his own $$$ self-interest. The best one can say about the man is that his putting higher profits above the health and well being of Americans MAY (or may not be) because he wants maximum resources for his Mars project, rather than being merely lust for money for its own sake like most corporate Republicans. However, I don’t care if the Global American Empire goes to Mars if the cost is the replacement and destruction of the American people.
I don’t know why President Trump is not calming people down? This is a complicated issue for most people and I wish he’d reassure them. All he has to do is reiterate what he actually did in the first term, and then there would be no problem.
Maybe he’s just hung-up keeping Elon calm after making him go out there and reiterate it.
He’s actually right about that, but I’m worried about people not understanding as this thing has spiraled out of control anyway.
P. Trump did a Zoom call with Jeffrey Sachs, another young Indian executive, and two others. He DID promise them that he was in favor of importing foreign labor. I heard it.
You could see their great relief and big smiles. I remember thinking at the time that there would be trouble.
I suspect that they were thinking about H1Bs, and he was thinking H2Bs.
Foreign labor can mean many things. O1’s, H2B’s, etc. all can be reformed Al still allow folks to come in.
that is OUR responsibility..
Trump is our champion.
we put him in there field of fire.
this IS our responsibility…did I repeat this ? good! say it loud with expression:
we chose trump!
good.
now we are RESPONSIBLE THAT IT IS PERFORMED
God Bless America
???? WE hired Trump to fix this mess. He said he could do it.
No, he’s not going to kick them to the curb, BUT Donald Trump has his finger on the pulse of where the people are at and this is all very important to him- THIS we know too.
He’ll do something.. we’ll have to wait and see on what it is.
This is all becoming a very hot button issue though, this is for sure.
I’m sure Elon Musk’s cyber truck exploding out front of his hotel was a message they got loud and clear about just how pissed off people are…
(and I think this is just the beginning too)
What?!? Are you saying you think this was MAGA that did this? I think I am misunderstanding.
No that is not what I’m saying.
There is MAGA and then there is Elon, Vivek and what these tech oligarchs are up too- NO THEY are not MAGA- clearly.
Pushing for more foreigners to come here is certainly not America First.
BUT we need to remember that the entire Republican party is not MAGA either..
It’s not good, but it’s also reality and we’re supposed to be the truth tellers that live in Reality.
Wonder how many children were harmed digging for cobalt to fuel his EV Chinese batteries.?
Tesla EV’s are his dream, not ours. IMO they are another scam. In the beginning elite buyers were putting down down payments of thousands of dollars for something not even built yet.
The concept for an EV looks good on paper but there is nothing beneficial for anyone except Elon.
I assume everyone saw the exploding cyber truck video as filmed from the Trump Tower lobby. It was massive and kept exploding. I expected the glass doors to blow out.
Yes. It was a message.
Agree, just beginning. They will do anything to prevent his inauguration.
We don’t know what caused the Tesla cyber truck to catch fire in front of the hotel. Personally I didn’t think much of it because don’t EV’s often explode into fire? That’s why the fire dept. tells people not to park their EV’s in their garage. Many people have had their homes burn down as a result of an EV fire.
I am loyal to MAGA. President Trump is the champion for this moment. When he aligns with the likes of Elon musk, he is headed out the door.
important reminder: President Trump is one term and out. There is really no mandate..there is nothing to follow FOR HIM.
THUS, MORE THAN EVER BEFORE, it is critically important that we voice our concerns to make sure that in these 4 years he leaves a deep heavy imprint for all to have faith in.
Elon should have never been a part of this…it’s creates an unnecessary anti-maga inflection point.
unforced error.
remember pence…Same exact thing…then to draw the evangelicals, but at what cost?
same exact thing.
we need to reopen out eyes to what is happening here.
God Bless America
Exactly so.
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“Just as President Trump is likely unaware the full scope of what Pam Bondi did in George Zimmerman case to support a false witness, so too is President Trump likely unaware of Musk’s involvement with the DOJ/FBI to send them MAGA targeting information.
Quite simply, there is no one in President Trump’s orbit who would ever share these specific details.“
–Sundance
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Ummmm….no. Just, no. Wrong.
Both Stephen Miller and Devin Nunes would definitely know, and they would most definitely make sure PDJT knew.
Funny how SD rarely speaks about Miller (or Nunes ftm), who is ever-present around PDJT. Where Trump goes Miller also goes.
If we are not going to pretend, and we are going to see things how they truly are and not as we want them to be, then we must accept that Trump is well aware of the issues with both Musk and Bondi.
And with that understanding comes the issue of trying to understand why Sundance is attempting to claim that Trump doesn’t know about Bondi and Musk.
In my opinion President Trump has 18 months to get his stuff through…..then all bets are off.
explain the 18….for the sake of US THE CURIOUS…
interested.
proceed
God Bless America
Midterms. Election stealing.
THANK YOU.
this is why I TRUST treepers.
the discourse is succinct and elevating (to me)
I appreciate your voice..it matters
God Bless America
Without Elon and X, it would be President Harris – THINK THAT THRU!
and what proof do you have?
MAGA is the real power
think about that
Earth to oldjunkfixer. Come in, oldjunkfixer. Do you read me?
Do you think that Rev Clyburn and the Black Mommas from AMI in Detroit, Milwaukee, Atlanta and Philadelphia didn’t pull the big steal this time because they saw Jesus?
Elon jumped on the MAGA side 5 minutes after PDJT was shot at Butler.Elon knew from that moment the tide had changed. He is a narcissists who wants to control…
No, I believe you’re wrong.
Elon jumped on the Trump train after his favorite, Ronnie cowboy boots DeSantis made for the worst GOP candidate of all time. He knew Trump would win and didn’t want any part of another Democratic disaster administration.
Did he help Trump? Maybe a little for the twitter elites.
‘Did he help Trump? Maybe a little…’
You must be joking! Musk helped the Trump campaign in a massive way, Common Sense!
Wise words!
Gracias
There’s no question that Musk’s support, especially in PA, made a difference as did that 140 million he contributed to Trump’s campaign. Elon deserves more credit for those things than he’s getting.
I think we’ll see some balance return to the debate about the good and bad things he’s done after the Elon Derangement Syndrome subsides!
Not only that, but Musk buying Twitter was, in my opinion, the single most determinative factor of the outcome of this election. Had conservative voices not been restored to Twitter/X given it’s huge reach, I sincerely believe that Trump would have had no chance whatsoever.
no. did…non
we are maga.
you me
President Trump is the champion in this moment..until he is not
think about what I AM explaining
there is more than just a classic lesson to be learned in this en devour
above all things we must obey GOD.
do good things
I made a comment on another thread and hope no one minds me repeating.
Does no one remember President Trump saying, ” But look how many people we have exposed.”?
P. Trump doesn’t have enough smart, experienced, policy-smart REGULAR MAGA CITIZENS around him. He SAYS he “loves us”, but when it comes time to get feedback and sage advice from his advisors, the hoi-polloi are not included. All of a sudden, “we” are nowhere to be found!
This was a huge failing in his 1st term, and here it is again. I’m heartbroken.
“Trump can do no wrong.” “Trump can do no wrong.” “Trump can do no wrong.” “Trump can do no wrong.” “Trump can do no wrong.” …
So how about being loyal to the people who have been in your corner for the last 9 years? He literally stood against “us” and sided with Elon/India.
I remember Elon left Trump in 2017 over the Paris Agreement and Elon admitted in a Wired interview at the time that he had been on Trump’s Advisory Council to influence Trump’s immigration policy.
https://www.wired.com/story/elon-musk-donald-trump-policy-forum/
I am hopeful that Trump’s actions will be the end of H1 but if Trump’s actions are only an Art of the Deal exercise between legal immigration and illegal immigration then there will seriously be a problem with MAGA.
Like to the tune of Hell has no fury…..
the issue I have with H1B are so many things:
President Trump is not going about this thing according to the very spirit of what MAGA is all about.
I can only pray at this point and continue to push message to TEAM TRUMP every single day about this matter. That’s my part. The rest is up to our champion.
God Bless America
You realize that 90%+ of software engineers and the tech industry vote solid Democrat including voting for Obama, Hillary Clinton, Biden, Newsom and Kamala Harris. They are true believers in Climate Change, LGBTQ, Transgender rights, DEI, Abortion and gun confiscation.
Why do care what happens to them when they couldn’t care less about you?
Astute consideration.
Wow! Thank you, Sundance. I would prefer that H1B visas didn’t exist but this issue is definitely not the hill to die on. Picking a fight with the tech billionaires who own Apple, Amazon, Google, Facebook Tesla, Texas Instruments, Microsoft, Oracle, Intel, Micron Technology and hundreds of others at a time when President Trump is courting them to bring their manufacturing and design facilities back to the United States from Asia and Europe is not a good idea!
President Trump is trying to create millions of high-quality jobs for Americans by bringing those jobs back here. He can’t do that when he’s going to war with them. 🤔
Well said CJ, and you got a compliment from Sundance. GJ mate
I “CARE” because of the effect to you and me.
the so called 90 percent do engage in self interest..and that directly affects you and me.
I care about YOU.
I care about the guy down the street trying his very best to make sure his family is safe, secure and has a future.
I do care.
but this isn’t the message we are receiving from the Uber wealthy..
it’s take take take take and more of take some more.
I care because, as you will understand, that every single thing that I have, I give to others…because that is what God commands us to do: to give.
what is it that I want to give to to insufferable enemies of truth, righteousness and the beauty of truth?
absolution//the promise that God has made..to absolve the sinner/
it is persona and it is global/
we are ALL gods’ creation//
each AND all.
elon hopes to escape the traps of earth.
my purpose in the same time line is to avoid satan and to stand on top of evil and ignite the righteous fury untowards evil manifest/
this is ME
God Bless America
Musk is not American in his cultural views. He’s a globalist and a power hungry one at that.
What do you suppose his intent to implant brain chips in human beings would do to further the transhumanist agenda?
Why is everyone so blind about Tesla being a foundational element of the climate scam, hence the false ‘need’ for EVs.
Has his Space X returned the stranded astronauts as promised yet? Last I heard it’s been pushed to mid March or later.
This man is not to be trusted.
Even his demeanor is strange, borderline autistic from my observation.
That’s one of the better points made in these comments. Even after the massive contributions Musk made to Trump’s presidential campaign and the Starlink lifelines he gave to hurricane victims in NC, there are many MAGA supporters excoriating him for not hiring enough American born liberal Democrats as software engineers.
BTW, my son-in-law, a born-in-India software engineer who became an American citizen with the help of H-1B, voted for Trump!
Thsnk you!
Yes to all. We will watch what the actions show us.
Businesses on American soil for an American workforce, (not the global workforce).
One thing I remember about my research on the number of illegals in America is that over 25% are illegals who overstayed their visas. What % of those holding H1B visas i never looked at but illegals who are here due to overstaying visas is a big issue.
Kamala Harris’s mother gave birth to her here after over staying her student Visa.. so not enforcing the laws on the books sure have consequences.
Had her mother been removed when her student Visa expired, look at what a different history we’d have had from one person alone not being here !!
As we can see, this matters.
this is a good point
Yes.
Not to mention foreign students.
Agree; though –
Let’s see what happens in the first few months of the new Administration. There was a timeline that both Musk and Ramaswamy said they would have their DOGE review and recommendations done by.
Let’s see how that goes and then let us see what happens; I suspect that President Trump will figure out how infuriated the majority of American citizens are, not just the MAGA folk, as more details on the H1B scam come to light, and he will adjust his policy accordingly.
I believe Steve Bannon already solidified that vote.
i appeciate you weighing in. It matters to me what to say.
I am an impatient person.. have always been.
I await good news/ but will not wait one more second after.
it is just how I am .
God Bless America
All I can say is Elon had “New World Order” written on his jacket at the 2018 Met Gala which he attended with hos “We appreciate Power” (song about transhuman domination) singer girlfriend. Annnnd, a couple years ago, he posted himself in a costume with an upside down cross. Dark [Goth] Maga speaking pretty loudly imho.
Totally agree with you.
PDJT has run for his last office, ever. There are no MAGA constraints on him to do what we expected. Totally agree with you, Regitiger. He should give all that bribe money from oligarchs back. But he won’t. Very sad and disappointing.
Here we go again . PDJT is playing 3d / 4d chess and ya’ll think you can keep up with him . Regardless of what happened on 11/5 we knew / agreed it is going to get ugly before it gets better , stand on ready and enjoy the ride !
Is that before or after he gives $400 million to the New York AG and $350 million to the bimbo who sued him and won?
never say never.
there always a way…
in this case, I will remind, DONALD TRUMP via extraordinary circumstance, has opened the door…
being mindful that he life is exceptional and not insignificant.
we the people remain..because we are what ought to be WHAT IS.
WE live our lives full and completely at the mercy of OUR LORD AND SAVIOR, JESUS CHRIST.
this what we are.
there is no substitutes…only figures that we can have hope and prayer that deliver US
God Bless America
the LAND of the free
Never forget the power SCOTUS confirmed that the constitution give the president.
That power was never confirmed during his first term.
President Trump knows what he’s doing.
As I told someone else i will be much more comfortable when we get past the 20th with no violence craziness from the left. However, I will say that Trump’s picker this time is a teeny bit better, but some of his picks have worried and do worry me. . As time goes on it seems that Trump is maybe making a few too many concessions to keep some of the people he gained to support him this time around.
Yes I do realize we need to give Trump time and lead way due to how much destruction the Globalist were able to do in just 4 years. However, if lead way is Trump making concessions that hinder his biggest campaign promises due to his big $$ supporters then that really bothers me.
Go ahead and fire away at me if you want,
I will no go ahead and fire away..that is NOT who I am.
I am learning how to to be more effective and less of my former self.
but the enemies of this great nation..the saboteurs of truth, I remain a TIGER.
DO NOT SAY FALSE THINGS.
there are people such are ME/WE that will react and it never ends with treatise.
God commands truth and justice/ two promises that we are to obey
I am a the obedient warrior commanded his this promise./
I never wanted this fight. But I remain as God has created to me: resolve/
I AM MANY..
God Bless America
Part of the reason I have been abot to stay sane through all of this is my FAITH. Do truly believe GOD IS IN CONTROL.
I will always hold steadfast to the verse that i truly believe the Lord gave me in 2005 almost 20 years age. This verse is a verse that truly gets me through many days and many doubts. I Truly believe the Goo Lord has a reason for keeping me around at 75 and i don’t believe it is to screw me up.
Jeremiah 29:11NIV 11 For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the Lord, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.
Trump also has P Thiel (PT) and the other 54 Never Trumpers to deal with and PT holds a big IOU from JD. There is more here than Elon’s duplicity. Can you see a way that EM could be used to counter PT and his ties to the Globalist Big Bank/Money consortium?
I believe many are too trigger happy. Just wait a bit.
I think Musk reacted in a disloyal manner in that his f yourself remarks were classless and reduced the stature of the incoming administration. I certainly see where disagreement with my take is warranted, but on balance, Musk didn’t help. My own views on H1B are standard fare among this audience. I would only add that I know where there are companies, even in Tennessee, that are outsourcing engineering to offshore firms with third world results. C suite dwellers hide themselves from the consequences while one US engineer supervising the off shores is working 20 hour days for days on end trying to make the work usable. Let’s just say it’s real close to home.
Even more, there are foreign tech workers and engineers being brought into the US on permits, paid their third world wage, and boarded inside the US. Minimum wage doesn’t even apply. This is real, ongoing, and growing. I suspect that practice is the truth behind the Musk outburst.
We literally have engineers living on dirt streets with an open ditch in the middle of the road for a sewer designing valves for our petrochemical plants. I know where they are.
I know no one remembers or would care, but I held out hope that the tech masters of the universe may see the future they were building, and turn on the agenda, thinking they didn’t sign up for this. That happened beyond my expectations. See the Rogan interview.
As Sundance and others have so well argued, they expect their way because they are entitled.
But remember and consider that since this article appeared, Musk has confirmed that he knows the location and parameters for every vehicle he has produced at any given time. And he has given user data to the government without warrants or disclosures in his other company.
This bothers me greatly because I’m an exact profile for a Tesla buyer. I actually need several capabilities unique to his vehicles. I get the attraction and the drawbacks.
But dang it, I’ll keep driving my 25 year old Super Duty before I subject myself to this.
I could be wrong but I thought the user data was given over due to a subpoena. One which his lawyers had appealed and lost. Of course that could have been all lies but that was the story at the time.
You’re wrong. It wasn’t only a subpoena. It was an actual search warrant with an attached gag order forbidding Twitter/X from disclosing that it existed. Musk fought it to SCOTUS and lost, paying $350k in fines along the way, in addition to attorneys’ fees at the trial, appellate and Scotus levels.
As I understand it. Sundance’s issue with Musk on this topic is that Musk continued to say that user data was being protected by X while he knew about the search warrant and that he was forced to comply with it. Sundance thinks that, at a minimum, Musk should not have spoken about confidentiality while knowing what was going on with the warrant in the background. I think differently. I think X keeping it’s data confidential can be true while, at the same time, the government’s efforts to force disclosure exist. In other words, the DOJ and courts forcing disclosure under the threat of criminal prosecution does not mean that X itself is not keeping its data confidential
Kathyica, I still have a real problem with all of these government subsidy agents able to be traded as a public corporation on stock markets. They have held our own markets hostage and weaponized.
I don’t disagree. But I think that’s a separate, complicated issue not for late night debate on NYD. At least in my house where I’m already in my fuzzy slippers 🙂
OK!!!! LOL!!! Tomorrow!
Oh, and remind me about Raytheon.
You make some subtle and well-reasoned points. Illuminating post.
Thanks, LTB. I’m glad we may have found some common ground. Happy New Year!
I think your correct. I was working off the idea that there were multiple disclosures. Not sure now, and will not get to look it up soon. Thanks.
We’re supposed to believe Musk & Vivek when they say American workers have lost their “competitive edge,”in order to justify their campaign for foreign workers. This a great article by Breitbart that lays out what Tesla did while they were laying off 15,000 US workers in April 2024. (senior, higher paid engineers). You guessed it. They applied for thousands of H1B visas and then hired junior varsity cheaper foreign engineers.
https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2024/12/31/report-elon-musks-tesla-replaced-laid-off-americans-with-foreign-workers-on-h-1b-visas/
All the dogma and total BS being put out by Musk & Vivek stinks to high heaven, and I agree with Regitiger: It would be better if President Trump gave the $$ billions back that our new demigod, Elon Musk “donated” to his campaign. Otherwise, what makes him any different than Biden if he goes along with Elon’s agenda to screw over American workers with this H1B visa issue?
What does Musk mean by the threat he made on X “I will go to war on this issue the likes of which you cannot possibly comprehend.”? If you ask me, this all sounds rather James Bond villain-ish.
Also while we’re on the subject of Musk: He was quoted in an article I read recently regarding the issue of F-35 production. (sorry I can’t remember which one, SD, but it was a an online military newsletter), Musk was quoted as saying the US should not be spending money on manufacturing more F-35s because “drones are the future and will replace the need for pilots.” If this is true this man should be NOWHERE NEAR making any decisions about our military budget. HUGE red flag if this article is true. How successful has Musk’s robot controlled car fleet been? He wants to base US air superiority and national security on drones instead of the best aircraft and pilots in the world? Please tell me if you think I’m wrong. IMO, Musk should be told NOTHING that is classified military information.
Musk has exposed his ruthless intentions re the H1B visas, and this makes it impossible for me to trust him. As others here have said, I voted for Trump, not Elon Musk. Let us not forget, he was always a Democrat until he decided to start “giving” Trump billions for his Presidential campaign.
The military already has drones.
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I suspect that a lot of people have no idea of the hundreds of thousands of hours required for lawyers and subject matter experts to comb through regulations that need to be ditched or modified — unless you think just taking the word of career bureaucrats is acceptable.
Ditto reviewing what is being done by umpteen dozens of committees and agencies and money being spent to figure out what and who to cut — unless you want to depend upon the Deep State to get this done.
Ditto thousands of hours of lawyer time to maneuver through laws and regulations to get rid of personnel — unless you think that it’s just cool to let the DOJ et al. say what can and cannot be done.
And more.
Musk and Ramaswamy bring outside resources for this. It is impossible for Trump to do on his own.
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Glad you posted this, so I don’t feel the need to day anything but, “Amen!”
This whole issue of the H1B visas has opened pandoras box regarding Elon, Vivek and DJT. I was not surprised by Elon, Vivek’s response surprised me and DJT’s response surprised me even more. He made a comment at his NYE party last night at Mar a Lago and it was that his views hadn’t changed? Yet he came out a couple years ago saying he wasn’t in favor of H!B visas. Is this the turning of DJT? At this point you can’t say he’s conflating H1B and H2B visas. He’s had more than a day to realize or be told of this difference.
I’m concerned regarding Elon’s influence and that influence isn’t a positive sign for American workers. Proof will be what DJT actually does regarding these visas.
That saying comes to mind, Actions speak louder than words.
The older I get, as we’ve watched ‘social’media explode, the more I’m seeing that we need to block out a whole lot of the words and pay closer attention to the Actions.
Words have gotten cheap, actions are pretty serious now.
I’m not sure who opened said box , but I’m glad they did . Nothing like some sunlight from Sundance to get a problem seen about.
President Trump changed his mind on the H1B issue shortly after the 2016 election. At first he was against the H1B program and then later conflated/confused it with foreign students graduating from MIT and keeping them in the United States because we needed the best and brightest to stay ahead with technology.
I remember that well and just accepted it as a small prize to pay for having DJT!
He may have always had some mixed feelings. But after that, he said not even he should be allowed to use visas. He fired the TVA Director for using them and he issued EOs against them.
Now he’s saying he was always for them.
I don’t like being lied to, even by President Trump. He has changed his position for his new Oligarch BFFs. I prefer Americans First Trump to this new Oligarchs First Trump: Susie Wiles Edition.
PDT has always had some contradictions, but this is the first time I’ve ever thought of him as an –ugh–politician.
Father God, bless and keep our Rightful President Donald J. Trump, surround him only with true patriots and keep his heart true and His vision unclouded for Your Purpose and Your Glory, Lord, in Jesus’ Name we pray, Amen and Amen!
I think you are right. I don’t think he understands the complexity of all the various “grift visas” out there. They have multiplied like rabbits in the last 30 years.
He said years ago and currently that he’s in favor of H1Bs – hiring the best from other countries. I don’t understand why you and other say he’s changed his mind. Have I missed something?
Long but on point…
Wow, what a fantastic post he did, best splainer I’ve read so far.
Well worth clicking and then passing around.
Yes that was a fantastic explanation of what is going on and how people of India really regard Americans. F them.
Yeah for sure.
I feel more that way now having learned what I did there in that post.
In fact, I’m now quite worried about the amount of AI moving into the medical field- given what he’s said here.
These people in the medical/insurance cabal are acting as though AI is the next miracle for medicine- and I’m not sure that is true given what this man said.
I’m reminded how we were told the vaccines were safe and effective too and look at how that went.
I believe none of these people! it’s ALL entirely about making money and manipulating the population so they can.
This man is worth paying attention too- whoever he is.
If you latch onto one of the longer podcasts with Brigham Buhler, and listen to what he says about the quality of modern medical device manufacturing (like heart surgery tools), and the high rate of failure mid-surgery, it will chill your bones.
He just did a session with Tucker, but didn’t get into the detail he did with this one. It’s ALL a real eye-opener, but for the heart surgery part, go to 27:00 to start.
… throwing in my two cents on top of NHnative’s … READ Langan’s excellent factual summary
The primary remuneration Indians (or any other H1B) gets is the ability to harvest the social capital and infrastructure accrued and built by European people over centuries and millenia. It is textbook private profit and socialized cost. YOU are the one paying for it. YOU and your descendants are being robbed. Elon Musk is not and never has been one of the ‘good guys’.
No one has a RIGHT to have access to European countries, European communities, or European people. We Americans have been saying no to this Great Replacement project since before I was born. (There were surveys done before the 1965 Hart-Cellar Treason Act.)
Horace I’ve been following how Elon is now involving himself in Germany’s politics, he’s supporting the AfD and that leader Alice Weidel.
Horace take a few minutes and read this article AND more importantly, click this truly outstanding speech in the article by Alice Weidel where this woman takes Stolz and Merkel to the woodshed.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/last-spark-hope-germany-musk-pens-pro-afd-op-ed-major-paper-editor-resigns
THIS speech was brilliant, she is talking about how Germany need to begin mass deportations and immediately end this nightmare that immigration has had upon their nation.
THIS is what Elon is supporting BUT Yet over here, he’s told us that he’s willing to go to war to get in these Indian H1Bs.
Does Elon not get that how Alice Weidel who he’s supporting feels is also how WE FEEL???
The more you dig in and read about what Elon is up too, the more concerning it all is.
Late reply here … I think he knows that there is a problem and that the existence of Western Civilization is at stake, but it doesn’t cost him anything to support Germans in Germany, and it would cost him something to support Americans in America.
I see him as a man with his own missions, and some of them are laudable. I have deep respect for mission-oriented people. However, all this ‘saving Western Civilization’ stuff is a distraction to him from what he would rather be doing. He is not an American. Yes, I know he has paperwork, but we have seen in every European country since immigration began in earnest that issuing government paperwork does not magically make an individual BELONG to the nation-state they are moving to. Our homeland is just a project workshop to Musk. He is rootless.
I chose the poet Horace as a username because of how much I like one he wrote at the transition of Rome from ethnic republic to multiethnic empire. “They change their skies, not their souls, those who cross the sea.” Our ancestors knew very well that there is neither magic dirt nor tragic dirt, but that people make a place what it is.
Very perceptive. People change passports, but not who they are.
With more and more technology, there is less and less assimilation.
My Grandparents from Ireland and Germany knew when they came here… they were not going back.
No visits.
No phone calls.
Just some infrequent letters to the old country.
America was now their home.
I cannot tell you how many USCs and LPRs from the DR (Dominican Republic, as an example) seem to travel back to the DR on a regular (sometimes monthly) basis.
Are these folks American, or Dominican???
The passport says one thing; the heart, another.
Bravo, Horace! I spent 20 years traveling the world for an international company, and have come to the conclusion that CULTURE IS EVERYTHING.
There are too few that come to be AMERICANS (like my Egyptian dental hygienist, who waited TEN YEARS to come & loves P. Trump), and those who only come to suck the teat of our success!
There are even more ramifications to it, as John Rubino penned a Substack about a week ago, when the German gov’t collapsed, about the probable death of the Euro, and therefore all the poorly-run south European countries, such as Spain, Portugal, Italy, & Greece, ALL OF WHOM Germany’s wealth & productivity has been carrying for DECADES.
Elon is right in this case, and I’m glad he said something about it.
Very compelling, and IMO will prove to be prescient when reconsidered downstream in the future vis a vis Musk’s ongoing behavior.
Although, it could also be that his own soul is indeed in process of its unique evolution, and in the context of universal consciousness alongside the ascendant material creature’s differentiation/re-integration of spirit/soul (whether or not one believes in God; albeit a different discussion segues from there) Musk might ultimately prove to transcend the more mechanical and technocratic goals he seems to harbor (facilitating emigration to Mars, bio-augmentation of humanity, AI, etc.) and transition to a more nuanced (and powerful) voice for the good of humanity.
Either way, it will be interesting to watch the developments. The evolution of Musk himself is, or will be, compelling to consider going forward, but (obviously IMO) that factor/variable/datum as it emerges from the strange life we live in this lifetime on Earth is entirely dwarfed by the collective of other variables/factors/data constituted by the rest/balance of what’s happening in aggregate during these biblical times.
I’ve wandered around in thought some above, but I’d suggest that entropy in the realm all around us, and as influenced/modulated by the absolute power of TRUTH that is being strewn/broadcast/poured-out/enveloped across humanity at the moment may ultimately show itself to be more powerful an influence on Musk than even he currently considers. Not to mention everyone else living in these times as well (in case that wasn’t clear IMO previous)… though Musk will surely prove to be the most significant amplifier of truth in this lifetime due to his societal status, should he choose to be so.
I’ll note here before ending that Musk is also now directly showing/broadcasting the world the story of Tommy Robinson and Kier Starmer, and their respective roles as hero and villain in the context of the wholesale generational sexual abuse of young British girls. Here he is further amplifying the most powerful truths that need absorbing by the masses and perhaps reflecting the ongoing dynamic evolution of truth and turning toward God of humanity at large…
What a time to be alive. And kudos, Horace, on your astute take, albeit I hope that Musk turns out to be a different sort.
Something to think about:
There are 65,000 H-1B visas issued each year.
Though an H-1B visa is a non-immigrant visa, it does allow a ‘pathway to citizenship’.
An H-1B visa holder can apply for Legal Permanent Residency, and be granted an LPR card (green card).
One H-1B will have an H-4 spouse.
They will probably have, on average, 2 children born here (USCs).
Both the H-1B and spouse will eventually get green cards… and then citizenship.
They (H-1B & spouse) will usually petition at least 1 set of parents to join them here (as LPRs).
They may also have H-4 children born in India.
But we’ll leave them out of our estimate.
So… those 65,000 H-1B visas really represent (Husband/wife/2 kids):
4 x 65,000 = 260,000 potential PERMANENT, LEGAL, additions to the US population, per year.
Round it to a quarter-million.
And that’s a conservative estimate.
After 10 years, you have
10 x 250,000 = 2.5 million
Legal Additions to the US.
After 15 years, more than 3.5 million permanent residents. Legally.
Not ‘illegals’.
Not ‘gotaways’.
You can’t remove them with nuclear weapons.
No one voted for this.
Yet here it is.
Since it doesn’t happen all at once, it stays off the radar.
How many foreign-born USCs or LPRs are from India?
How many were there in 1990?
How many now?
How many came here through ‘temporary’, ‘work’ visas???
In 20 years, you have potentially 5 million (or more) foreign-born (or USC children of foreign-born) legal additions to the nation’s population.
Cheaper labor isn’t a good deal for America or American workers.
True dat!
That was excellent and totally to the point. Wowser!
And every elected official, whether it be Presidents or Congress, with the exception of Trump, has been in on it, or powerless to do anything about it.
Well worth the read. It dawned on me it’s rather like the question on a murder mystery, Who benefits?
Americans don’t benefit from AI (Attempted Intelligence).
Only the enjoined government corporate powers benefits to further implement their police state surveillance for control.
Our country is being murdered. Who Benefits?
The plan is for Chyna to take over as number one world financial power. The NWO globalists believe they are behind schedule since Hillary was supposed to win and put the nail in the coffin for the US by signing the TPP, which took away US sovereignty. Trump put a stop to this on Day 1 as POTUS. That’s one reason they hate him and are doing everything they can to destroy him.
Thanks for this link; worth following.
EXCELLENT, however he misses the point that western civilization is, and has always been Christian civilization.
THAT is what needs to be corrected and repaired!!!
Without a genuine return to the culture of Christ’s Church, things will not work.
Look at the devolving culture now.
Exactly! There is no substitute for The Exchanged Life, and the internal motivations of righteous living that it imparts to our broken souls, that we might be like Christ.
From that springs everything good that has distinguished the America we love!
He takes way too long to spit out the reality I have been writing here for some time.
Artificial Intelligence is exactly what its nomenclature says it is – ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE. OXYMORON. How about REAL STUPIDITY!!!!!
The continuing problem we have with hyphenated, non-natural born Americans holding dual citizenship is that they do not necessarily THINK as natural-born Americans. BIG PROBLEM!!!!!
Get with the American program…or GET OUT!!!
Outstanding.
Now you are just being silly. Go join a 12 step group. Have a Blessed Journey.
This comment was a response to “SharkDiver” on the other thread not sure how it got here .. this dang malware affecting some of us is annoying..
Mountain, This malware frustrates me, too! Only on this website.
Several days ago, Ad Rem administrator, posted that it’s coming from our personal ISP, or browser.
But not from CTH.
I’m no techie, so unable to figure it out.
Curious timing Ma’am. A very Happy New year to you!
Thank you, Colkitto … and I always smile when I see your posts!
At times, I venture to this thread to read and learn.
Been wanting to tell you I watched your movie recommendation “Foxfire” recently – four times!
It was just wonderful and quite touching … thank you, again.
May you be blessed this New Year, Colkitto, with God’s favor and grace.
🥰
I am so very happy you enjoyed it! I know you have liked some of my other recommendations also. I myself love to take a break and watch those type of great movies. A Bear Named Winne was pretty good. I thank you from my heart my friend and I wish God’s favor and grace to you & yours. (Whenever I go on OT which has sadly been sporadic, I always look for you JWoo & Bet’s posts as well)
You know before reading your post I was talking about putting in an order and taking a ride to that wonderful bakery you told me about. I will certainly tell you if I go. I’m going to go to Helen soon.
Mountain Liger,
“SharkDiver”s comment disappeared because I had just blocked his posting privileges. He has continued to disparage and call other’s names….a site “no-no”.
Apparently you replied just as he was being blocked – ergo, your comment stayed and posted on it’s own. Nothing to do with malware…
An omen of things to come??
“One Dead, Seven Injured After Tesla Cybertruck Explodes Outside Trump International Hotel Las Vegas (VIDEOS)”
Excerpts:
One person is dead and seven more injured after a Tesla Cybertruck exploded outside Trump International Hotel Las Vegas on New Year’s Day.
The driver of the vehicle is the deceased one, according to Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department Sheriff Kevin McMahill.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/01/one-dead-seven-injured-after-tesla-cybertruck-explodes/
Now that I see that picture, it seems a message is being sent. To whom? About what? I’m not sure, but at first look, the idea of Elon going up in smoke and President Trump still standing comes to mind.
Musk gave it. That is one thing.
But WHO IN GOVERNMENT DEMANDED IT?
Why doesn’t our Benefactor Elon Warbuck$ make a staggering donation to Mike Rowes foundation that puts former Warfighters to work in vital “Dirty Jobs” to try and win some hearts and minds?
Why doesn’t he invest in alternatives to traditional colleges that focus on a trade or vocation? Why doesn’t he donate a billion dollars to the survivors of Maui fire, Hurricane Helene and Palestine, Ohio? Why doesn’t he advocate for his fellow South African whites and challenge the ANC Cyril Ramaphosa? How does he never get sued for damages from all the splodey crashey Teslas?
Inauguration is less than 3 weeks away. It is critical that all Trump supporters unite despite our differences at various matters. May be Pam Bondi made a mistake on the George Zimmerman’s case; but everyone made mistakes, did you? Elon is a genius in all respects, but he is also Human. Don’t be overcritical about them openly and let the Left find a split to endanger MAGA please!
Look, if Elon is so super smart, how is it that he assumed Trump would turn his back on the American people, and at the first chance, ally himself with Big Money, sell out his people, to USERS and call it good.
There is nothing in Trump’s character that even hints at such a betrayal.
He Would be disowning his very self.
But Elon? Not so much
When people were asking Elon to bring back Alex Jones after the former bought Twitter, he acted childishly and accused Alex of falsehoods. Later, probably after doing some research and finding out the truth, he gave Alex Jones his Twitter back.
Then there is some weird stuff he says and the unstable, immature way he acts.
I’m saying this, because I’m not convinced Elon Musk is this evil genius he is portrayed as here.
I don’t know, he has some… issues. But with some guidance and admonishment from MAGA, like on the H1B problem, I think he can be a good ally.
Now with Vivek, I’m a little bit more skeptical about. We’ll see, I could be wrong about both.
He has issues, unstable immature….his high IQ pretty much makes him a msifit.
Oh, wait. That’s what this site is called😳🤣
One thing I’ve learned about extremely bright and creative people is that they look at life through a unique, and often LONELIER lens than we do.
Add to that being a bit on the spectrum, and you get Elon. Because they don’t easily create deeply bonded relationships, they struggle to have a cohesive worldview that relates well to regular folks. It’s the relational give-and-take of bonded friends that gives context to their thinking. Absent that, it’s all bets off.
Elon needs Christ as that friend.
This is the most appropriate and sensible post I have seen here. Please allow me to repeat:
“DON’T LET THE LEFT FIND A SPLIT TO ENDANGER MAGA PLEASE!”
Elon caused this split himself when he told us to “go F ourselves in the face” and declared he is “going to war” to save his cheap foreign labor. This is 100% Elon’s mess, not MAGA’s. If he cares about unity, then he needs to clean it up, starting with an apology. We are allowed to defend ourselves and our Country.
I do not think Elon is a genius in all respects.
I got off of Twitter in Jan. 2021 and never looked back. I don’t trust it. I trust Trump and with all that he has been through, he has not gone into his “relationship” with Elon/Vivek blindly. There is something else going on here that we don’t know yet. Just my humble opinion.
After the 2020 election, Twitter demanded that I share my cell phone number if I wanted to keep using the platform. (I’d been an early adopter of it, so they didn’t have my cell.) I refused. As a result, my insomnia went away. Seriously.
Question for Sundance:
Something bothers me about what you implied and I seek understanding.
You wrote, “Just as President Trump is likely unaware the full scope of what Pam Bondi did in George Zimmerman case to support a false witness, so too is President Trump likely unaware of Musk’s involvement with the DOJ/FBI to send them MAGA targeting information. Quite simply, there is no one in President Trump’s orbit who would ever share these specific details.”
Do you really believe President Trump is a true silo-ed politician? In other words, in all of his free time, do you think he never searches the internet on his own anonymously free from silo-bosses, hasn’t found this site, and doesn’t read it regularly?
I ask because I would think that Trump does what he wants to do and has a burner phone tucked away somewhere that he can use to read whatever he wants whenever he wants.
And I personally believe there is NO WAY he hasn’t found you and your expose of how the silo system works. I think he has used what he has learned here to truly understand us.
I suspect that he has always been able to search the internet free from orbit censors. My gut tells me he knows everything discussed here. He’s too smart not to.
I truly couldn’t say that of any other politician.
https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/113755111968756066
Trump truth with link to Boston Globe article
The comments to this post on TS are almost 100% against H1B’s (and immigration in general).
Good! That’s educational for those who desire REAL knowledge!
Perhaps EM is a ‘people pleaser’, rather than a leader.
Musk is an opportunistic liar.
I know people are mad about a lot of things but can we please take a breath for a moment? I find myself overwhelmed by all of the things to be concerned about right here right now. We literally just had an election and I know we have to be aware of things but do we ever get a chance to just take a moment to focus on the one win we’ve had in a while? I feel exhausted. Not that I can’t take it, but just that I think we all need a reprieve from the negativity for just a moment. Yes, we are in a war. But don’t we have to focus on the win sometimes so that we have the strength to move forward? Even for a brief moment? And I haven’t gone to actual combat type war (not saying that this type of warfare isn’t important) but I feel beaten down right now and I just want to be able to get past the inauguration before I go all out. I am only speaking of how I feel. The end times don’t give me confidence that things will get better on this earth. Hence the hope and belief of heaven. I just hate to see any division between those who have supported and believe in the MAGA movement.
Wow, reading through the comments I realize there are far more intelligent people than me commenting. And I agree with them. So take what I “feel” at this moment for what it’s worth! There are lots of us (at least I think 😰) that don’t know all that the more intelligent amongst us know. Just know I respect every single opinion that I read here – we are a family – and I do learn so much. I am only speaking from my emotional and hopeful brain! I seriously thank Sundance and all of you! I have read and will continue to read every post and comment and I feel I have a breadth of knowledge in trade (especially) that I never had or ever thought of before. Trade makes the world go ‘round. I feel we are all
friends here and I felt like sharing in this New Year 🤔 Tally ho!
I share your feeling. I expressed my ‘sadness’ a few days ago but of no avail
Yelling, shouting and name calling are not constructive to MAGA movement.
We are bothers and sisters. Please don’t fight lest Obama gangs giggle.
Is Elon possibly an FBI plant in the Trump Administration?
No!
He has CIA connections
Just have to jump in and comment because the thread is stuck at 666…
Personally, I think the “tech bros” like ALL narcissists, overplayed their hand, assuming that the “rubes” wouldn’t figure it out! But the rules are different now and too many people have woken up to what has been done to our country and our culture over the last 40+ years! And the more we talk TO each other, the less we are going to listen to “our betters”!
Ok, I do realize that it’s not our side not giving us a reprieve. So maybe what I wrote isn’t even possible. I just want the MAGA people to remain in solidarity. They are never going to give up so we have to take our fragmented parts and pull together!
Sometimes our side could be more encouraging and hopeful. We know this isn’t going to end well for believers but can we not be more encouraging of one another? We know that Jesus is our hope! And we know that we are in a battle. We know that what we are living right now will
come to pass. The mighty hand of God is all of this. Let’s rejoice in the victory as we go forward in the war! I don’t feel that I properly express what I mean but I am hoping some will be able to get the gist of it!
Pardon the typos 🫣
Some of the angst seen here is sincere.
Much is manufactured by our enemies.
On the money as usual my friend.
This is truly an eye opening article that came up over a Zerohedge a few days ago.
It’s about what the culture of India really is about.
I thought it was important then and saved it, but now-today- it’s even more critical that people understand all this.
This right here is what Elon and Vivek and all these tech oligarchs want more of- THIS !!
And on top of all the other issues we’ve got with the crime wave of illegal aliens.
India: It’s Worse Than You Think
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/india-its-worse-you-think
“…When elevated to high positions, most Indians become arrogant and sadistic. This is less from a desire to mask their incompetence and psychological weaknesses and more from a genuine belief that arrogance and sadism define power and class. This also serves as a way to cope with the deep-seated inferiority complex instilled by their culture. Whatever grace and civility had once been imbued in Indians by colonizers has eroded.
The wealth created by the West hypnotizes Indians. However, they fail to understand the underpinnings of that wealth. They equate the West with Hollywood stereotypes: girls in short skirts, promiscuity, drinking and drugs, flaunting wealth, working in plush offices, and controlling others. This is the true soul, once obscured by Victorian morals and Islamic constraints. It is a return to a pre-colonial, pre-Victorian, hedonistic culture.
The British were a godsend. Without them, the situation has continued to worsen. India will eventually nullify all the benefits it got from the West and revert to its pre-colonial ways. It will fall apart, and I wouldn’t be surprised if much of its population falls prey to war and famine and declines to the level it was before the arrival of Europeans.
Most Indians cannot think beyond money, sex, and survival — just what you would expect of a society with an average IQ of 77. Every Western value given to them has been caricatured and corrupted for these ends. Indians have no Ten Commandments. They are so unaware of these values that they remain oblivious even if they are forcefully presented to them. There is nothing you can do about this, except to try to understand what immigration from India and the rest of Third World will do to the West.” …….
A Must-Read!
Culture Counts.
Shouldn’t Twitter users have known there a data would be given away. If it’s free you are the product
Sundance said that’s not the point. Elon Musk lied about handing over the data. The fact that he lies to our faces is the point. The fact that he doesn’t mind betraying MAGA voices is the point.
Telegram and Rumble did not compromise MAGA accounts. Elon did, but said he did not.
My sense is that Elon and the Tech Bro’s will eventually be singing from DJT’s Hymnal – otherwise, they will be supurflious.
It’s hard to watch Pres. Trump with Musk at the rallies, at Starship liftoff, at the mechanical capture of the superheavy and the interplay at MAL, and not conclude that PDJT was star struck.
His confusion of Hb-1s and Hb-2s in his own businesses and his praise of Hb-1s against his own prior condemnation of that very program are further indications that his usual knack for detail was blinded by the light of celebrity.
I’m guessing that Susie Wiles will employ her own knack for reality recapture, and the VSG will eventually return to terra firma.
do not trust her
Why not? She successfully ran Trump’s election campaign to a landslide win.
This needs to be said:
President-elect Trump would likely not have won in a landslide if not for the support and money of Elon Musk.
Twitter would still be banning all conservative voices if not for Musk.
After being effed over by FEMA, hurricane victims in western North Carolina would still have no way to communicate with each other and the outside world if not for Musk giving them Starlink…for free!
Good luck with either Boeing or NASA rescuing astronauts stranded in orbit for months. We all know it will be Musk’s Space X that rescues those people.
Show a little gratitude for all he’s done and lay off the guy!
Money can’t buy you love !
It ain’t just money, bro!
Indeed. It’s Elon Derangement Syndrome in full force.
Good one!
It sure is! If we keep this up, Musk might say, ‘Get somebody else to run DOGE,’ and who could blame him? The irony is that if that happens, the same people who are calling for Trump to dump Musk would be pissed at him for doing exactly what they say they want him to do…quit the MAGA team!
” Trust but verify “
That’s an awkward way of saying “Verify.” Why put the cart (trust) before the horse (verify)?
Once you verify, there is no need to “trust.” No one save the Lord above is worthy of our trust. So that’s why we verify.
Thank you!!
You give too much credit to Musk. President Trump was winning before Musk and as for Starlink, it was President Trump who called and asked Musk to use it. Musk didn’t do it beforehand so I suggest you give credit where credit is due.
Maybe you’re right…or maybe you give too little credit to him! It’s easy now to say Trump was winning but you must know PA was very tight and Musk campaigned hard for Trump there. And yes, Trump asked for Musk’s help with Starlink but he didn’t have to give that help. I’d wager you’d find a lot of Musk fans in those storm-ravaged areas!
Not the ones who have to pay $150 per month, per unit, for his “gift”.
Totally ignoring Scott Pressler and his Early Vote Action group which was on the ground working PA for nearly 3 years before Musk showed up for a couple of Keystone State rallies. More credit should go to Pressler.
What you are saying it right, and it’s true.
But this is also the richest man on the planet and what you’ve listed here is but a drop in the bucket of what he’s done and been up too and what his big plans are.
He’s a man that aims to create housing on other planets.. and he just may do it. And that is but one thing- there are plenty more ideas like this. THIS is the scale of his ambition and desire that we’re talking about here- and he’s planted himself in our country.
So to say we’re now riding the dragon with Elon is quite an understatement.
There are many people that would say George Soros and Bill Gates have done some wonderful things too.
BUT there is a total picture here that needs to be seen, learned about and concerned about.
Do you understand how small that We The People have gotten?
It’s really critical now that we not lose any more ground because we’re thinking with emotion and not our brains.
“Do you understand how small that We The People have gotten?”
That’s a good way to say it and I do know how ignored and lied to We The People have been.
I am not one of the people who would say George Soros or Bill Gates have done wonderful things and I’d be loathe to draw a comparison between those miscreants and Musk.
But since CTH is my go-to place for deep dives about the issues I care about, it disturbs me that the anti-Musk sentiment on these pages is so strong that the undeniable good he’s done for the MAGA movement is being lost in this wave of negativity.
Do we really want to scrap DOGE, because if we continue widening the divisions between us that’s exactly what’s going to happen!
The Left is loving this…not me!
Truth Has No Agenda.
How many homeless people are on Mars? He could build housing right here in America.
Musk’s censorious and obscenity laden outburst in response to criticism showed me his true colors. He doesn’t have loyalty to his country.
What Globalist does?
That is a feature not a bug.
South Africa?
Wise words from James Woods today
A message was sent to President Trump and Musk and it wasn’t because they are unhappy with the H1B program…
https://x.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1874546737207214468
Reading some comments here lately, the Left can make assumptions and insinuate that someone from MAGA did this.
Wise words from a wise man.
Well I guess this may help to sink the Cobalt mining using children in the Congo? The Atlantic Charter did a good job in helping to clear out the Christians there so that Chinese backed marxists could use child labor to supply all these failed Flintstone EV vehicles to virtue signaling limousine liberals.
James Woods supposedly has an IQ of 181, Musks is supposedly 155. IMO Woods is a whole lot smarter.
According to my IQ test from 6th grade, my Score is far higher than Elon’s.. so there that..
Mr. Woods was one semester’s work away from a degree from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology when he left the school to pursue an acting career.
entire Jeffrey Epstein section deleted from Bill Clinton’s wiki page
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1873966681242132845
Wikipedia has always been screwy due to the way the contributions to the articles are done.
Remember when there was this issue about Obama’s having more executive departmental appointments then other presidents Wikipedia was being changed almost daily for several months.
That sound you hear is the spring latch on the trap.
Silos.
Growing up I always thought they were for feed corn…
My speculation on Elon – he’s clearly not a conservative but realized the country, and more importantly to him, Elon’s many corporations, had no future under a despotic Left ruling America like the Democrats have run California since that state went one-party rule. So better to join Trump than let the Democrats run things off a cliff.
I’d almost certainly peg his personality as INTJ – extremely intelligent who is more concerned with problem-solving than anything else. I don’t believe the normal Right-Left political spectrum really enters his train of thought except how it affects his interests.
The political establishment (both the Left and RINO wings) in DC is spooked because Elon could be Soros on steroids. His wealth poses a tremendous threat as he could fund entire political campaigns across Congress. Half the reason RINOs even stay in power is funding from the other side. Elon could help remove a bunch of easy RINO politicians in deep red states with his money.
Musk, like others of his ilk, are concerned primarily about business….their respective businesses. They will ‘go with the flow’ (whichever political persuasion suits their objectives)in order to maintain and increase influence which will generate greater wealth for themselves, their companies. I personally have no issues with that mindset as long as PDJT or any other US leader does NOT allow undue influence from that group that places a onerous boot-heel on the necks/backs of the average American citizen.
Interesting observation … I myself am an INTJ, and have 3 female friends who are the same. We are all ethical & moral in our choices. It’s a big part of our lives.
I will never trust Musk. Just like I will never trust Snowden or Assange. There is just something off about all of them and how they fit into the bigger picture.
I worked many years in the energy sector and all the companies I worked for had multiple H1B employees that were in upper management. All the H1B employees became US citizens and to a man/woman had contempt for the average American.
As such, I fear that Trump may up like Nixon, who gave us the EPA, Clean Water Act, supported ERA, and expanded the welfare state. I hope Trump realizes that the H1B is the American middle/upper middle class workers as illegal immigration is to the working poor Americans.
I believe PDJT has valid reasoning for everything he says, does, endorses, and supports.
I voted for him twice before as well as this time.
Regardless of the H1B furor and the Speaker Of The House fiasco, I will stand by his decision(s).
I trust him because I believe he is America’s last hope.
So called Republican congressional members ought to get in line before they’re thrown to the curb.
MAGA and Happy January 1st!
hopefully Elon is a goner SOON …
“If President Trump were to dispatch Musk now, the media would spin the separation into a weakness of Trump not able to cope with another globally influential person in his orbit.”
Who cares? If Trump designs his image around what fake news is going to say about him, nothing at all will happen. If any American can’t tell the difference between fake news propaganda and reality by now, they never will and their vote and political support is not worth pursuing anymore than designing a policy specifically to please the local village idiots is not worth pursuing.
Yes, Trump has to deal with the reality of the fake news propaganda machine and the damage it does, but there are ways to do that other than giving in to it. And that’s what he needs to do.
Thanks to the Biden administration, we’re at the verge of so much destruction that the last thing President Trump should be dealing with is a loudmouth Musk. Put it on the bookshelf. It can wait.
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“Just as President Trump is likely unaware the full scope of what Pam Bondi did in George Zimmerman case to support a false witness, so too is President Trump likely unaware of Musk’s involvement with the DOJ/FBI to send them MAGA targeting information.
Quite simply, there is no one in President Trump’s orbit who would ever share these specific details.“
–Sundance
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Ummmm….no. Just, no. Wrong.
Both Stephen Miller and Devin Nunes would definitely know, and they would most definitely make sure PDJT knew.
Funny how SD rarely speaks about Miller (or Nunes ftm), who is ever-present around PDJT. Where Trump goes Miller also goes.
If we are not going to pretend, and we are going to see things how they truly are and not as we want them to be, then we must accept that Trump is well aware of the issues with both Musk and Bondi.
And with that understanding comes the issue of trying to understand why Sundance is attempting to claim that Trump doesn’t know about Bondi and Musk.
Viewing from my window, its because there’s a lot of people who blames President Trump for everything and is eager to point the finger at him when, quite frankly, he’s got some very difficult problems to face coming the 20th. Opinion wise, Sundance wants us to know what is going on without giving ammunition to the ever-present Trump hoppers.
Maybe he was just being kind.
Every terrorist attack around the world you see or think you see originates with:
👉 Alex Karp., PeterTheil, and Elon Musk👈
These neo-cons are the enemy of all of humanity.
“Just as President Trump is likely unaware the full scope of what Pam Bondi did in George Zimmerman case to support a false witness…”
Pray tell!
There’s much research on the topic presented on this site. I suggest you use the search function and look around a bit.
Sundance posted a story on it, on or close to the day Bondi nomination was announced. Suggest you start with that.
Let’s continue to focus on legal immigration issues, not the 50-70 million ILLEGAL people some of whom seem to be getting active the past few days??????
PLEASE don’t let the left move us around like this. PDJT has control of this.
The only thing “moving us” are Elon’s unhinged rants telling MAGA to “go F ourselves in the face.” This is 100% coming from Elon and his Tech Bros, NOT “the Left.”
I don’t understand why the enemedia “spin” should weigh so heavily in any decisions made by President Trump! Have we ever seen one POSITIVE article written about our President over the past eight years? I can’t think of a one!
There may be other ramifications to consider regarding Trump detaching from the transhuman globalists, but their ENEMEDIA’s “spin”should definitely *not* be one of them!
If MAGA cared one whit what the ENEmedia has to say about.. well.. anything, it’s certainly news to me!
There seems to be growing doubts about Elon Musk and also, why is he constantly shadowing President Trump. It’s like he’s a U.S Marshall continually by his side.
Again Elon Musk has nothing that I need. Nothing if his holdings folded tomorrow I would not miss a beat. Until more folks realize this his magic hold will continue to hypnotize the masses…
Yeah I don’t want electric car, to go to Mars or build the surveillance state on Americans.
It’s doubtful Trump was blinded by the light, he knows when to play em, and knows when to hold em. He’s been playing the game much longer than they. Ramaswamy couldn’t even pick up a head wind with his presidential campaign. He reminds one of a rooster flapping his wings around the chicken coop, look at me, look at me.
The technocrat war since Christmas is having quite the effect at Gab, many new people saying they don’t support the replacement of Americans or the censorship. 1.8M visitors increase from week before.
https://gab.com/a/posts/113755145418466594
H-1b visas can be fixed immediately-END the tax credit incentives employers get for hiring them! Problem solved.
Make the hiring of any employee equal-NO getting money back from the government for hiring a certain group that have “status” that is anything other than American citizen.
Simple.
that is why I’ve seen them hired in a couple of places I’ve worked at!
people that have been here less then a year
from all over the world with zero skills speaking broken English
taking a job away from a American
all because of a credit or grant to the company.
The American taxpayer money trough has billions feeding from it. It’s just astronomical.
I much prefer having Musk inside than outside the Trump team.
SO glad I never signed up for it!
Which, quite frankly, is why I have never engaged in any sort of “social media.”
Of course, over these many years I have posted well over 20,000 “posts” on conventional forums – mostly concerning subjects of professional interest – and I am quite sure that all of this “data” (sic) has been “dutifully collected.” Please enjoy.
However: there is also this point. Especially today, “collecting(!) data” is trivially easy … and I’m sure that companies make tons of money selling “storage devices” which will probably wind up somewhere in the “‘top men’ archives” of Raiders of the Lost Ark. 🤡
But: “operational intelligence” is an entirely different matter. And what I very-consistently see, as a disinterested observer of these things, is that these “TLAs = Three-Letter Agencies” don’t(!) appear to possess the “magical advance knowledge and prevention-capability” that “this degree of data collection” ought to have provided.
I know. I know. I know. “Okay, just give us $XXX [x]illion dollars more, and we will [in about twenty years] give it to you!” Yeah, I know. // “Ike Was Right!™”
The problem is that – as we now see in Ukraine and Afghanistan and a bunch of places – is that it is easy for Ike’s “military industrial complex” to sell, for example, “battlefield management systems.” As long as no one who is signing the contract has ever had any experience whatsoever in: “an actual battlefield.”
(Try your best to rest in peace, “Ike.” You were right. But nobody wanted to listen.)
I’ve got a chisel and albeit sharp it has a few nicks in it. Not perfect but it works well enough and I still use it.
Again, what’s the point of bringing this up again?
Y’all better dig this. It ain’t lookin’ good for Elon and Pete. They are funny-men in a serious, dead-serious disguise:
https://matthewehret.substack.com/p/elon-musk-and-peter-thiel-two-sides
Musk has a Messiah Complex.
Without Elon buying Twitter we would have no “x”, we would continue to have massive censorship, we would likely have President Harris, we wouldn’t be able to freely discuss Covid, we wouldn’t “officially” know that the government WAS censoring people, we would have astronauts that were stranded by NASA saved…etc.
This is a disagreement. If MAGA is the big tent it’s purported to be, they will happen. If MAGA is a purist group similar to that of the Democratic party, count me and a lot of other people out. Seriously. People from ALL walks of life elected President Trump and handed him the popular vote, the house and the senate…not the purists.
If these visas are the hill you want to die on, so be it.
There are millions more that will continue the MAGA movement without you.
I trust Trump to do what is right for the country. If Elon is part of that, so be it.
My opinion, unpopular though it may be.
A foreign billionaire declared that he is “going to war” to protect the flow of cheap foreign labor to America. If there is a better hill to die on, I haven’t found it. Who and what is “MAGA” when the Americans have been replaced?
You don’t think Trump will do what is best for America?
If he doesn’t, then we all were swindled and I suppose it’s over.
I think we will be ok. Trump is the President, not Elon (or Bannon, for that matter).
Did Trump do what was “best for America” when he encouraged us to get the COVID injections?
I voted for Trump three times, don’t regret it, and have a lot of sympathy for tough circumstances he and his family are in. But I don’t have to support or even trust all of his positions.