The Silicon Valley immigration priority was not the topic I thought would explode and fracture the tenuous MAGA alignment with the New Big Tech group represented by Elon Musk and his billionaire network. However, we learn more every day.
This is a jaw-dropping moment to watch unfold as a very influential sector of the political discourse begins a full-frontal attack against those who are pointing out how the tech community abuse H1B visas to replace American workers. In the background, of course, is the context of widespread immigration policy fraud being one of the priorities for the average Trump supporter.
The Silicon Valley team do not seem to review discussion of the H1B manipulation/fraud within the larger American economy as a problem, as long as the discussion of the visa fraud does not impact their business models. However, as soon as the H1B abuse started to be framed around Silicon Valley’s participation therein, the New Big Tech group take a nuclear war approach to defending their interests.
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Having followed the immigration issue for a long time, yet specifically only having a big picture review of the H1B visa issues, it has been astounding to watch how Elon Musk, Vivek Ramaswamy, David Sacks and the Silicon Valley supporters and influencers are responding to having the H1B visa fraud confronted. The self-interest in their defense is just astronomical to watch unfold.
Empowered by what can only be reasonably defined as their perceived influence over President Trump, the new-era Tech team are quite forcefully telling the MAGA base of Trump-supporting American workers that their concerns, views and perspectives are irrelevant.
It appears that most of the explosive sentiments revolve around H1B visas in the tech sector issued to Indian workers specifically. Apparently, the friendships, networks and teams attached to the sector of computer engineering carry with them an emotional component. I guess that should not be a surprise considering this is essentially a peer-to-peer wagon circling, in defense of the H1B visa problems in the tech sector.
As said before, it always appeared the MAGA alignment with Silicon Valley would not be an issue until the interests of the billionaire tech team came into conflict with the MAGA base. I did not anticipate the fracture being so fast, nor did I anticipate immigration would be the trigger. However, H1B visa issuance is apparently a key part of the Silicon Valley business model.
That said, several pragmatic aspects of the discussion are now being lost amid a very toxic shouting match that has begun. President Trump and JD Vance are, perhaps understandably, staying very quiet at the moment. However, that silence is soon to be impossible as both sides of a very divisive issue are going to eventually demand President Trump to weigh in.
I will try to cut through some of the toxic noise so that we can discuss the larger issues.
Theo Wold provides some context:
“I led the drafting of legislation in the Trump ‘45 White House to create a new legal immigration framework. I saw firsthand what happens when ANY visa reform is proposed: executives from the biggest multinationals and lobbyists from all kinds of industries are banging on the door, demanding to keep what they have.
What they have is a tangled morass of visa classes that are carve-outs, handouts, and special favors to particular industries, bought and paid for through decades of lobbying feckless members of Congress and presidential administrations. Industries lobby for the foreign workers they claim to “need,” and then they get a visa class carve-out, which they protect (and seek to expand) at all costs.
And there are enormous costs for our nation – costs that fall on the American worker with devastating consequences. The statistics bear that out: job gains go to foreign-born workers while American workers post net job losses.
I also know this firsthand because I grew up a working-class kid, watching my father (and by extension, our family) suffer from unfair foreign labor competition.
For too long, Americans have been largely unaware of the source of these problems because the policies are designed to be too complicated and are made largely invisible to public scrutiny. I’m glad the right is having an open debate about legal immigration. It is past time.
To be clear, the difference between O1Bs and H1Bs matters in this debate, for example, because these visas are intended to accomplish very different goals and are entirely different in scale, BUT both visa classes are rife with abuse. (Plenty of Reggaeton stars and anti-American athletes enter the U.S. on O-1 visas.) Essentially ALL visa classes are abused. Again, that’s because these things exist to serve special interests on one side of the labor market (and it’s not the side of the American worker).
The debate can’t be confined to a single industry – it’s about Big Tech, Big Ag, tourism and hospitality, transportation (airlines, trucking), the media & sports entertainment complex (yes, the NFL and MLB have their own special visa classes and their own special treatment by DHS and State) and many many others. They all want special visas to import cheap and convenient foreign labor. Even the roofing industry is now seeking its own special visa class. And all of these special classes get expanded over time, allowing the American worker to be flooded with foreign competitors for no reason other than labor savings for employers.
I, like many Americans, voted for a sealed border and an immigration moratorium. Americans need to retake control of our immigration system — how many are coming in, for what reasons, and for how long. One question absent from our current system: how does this individual immigrant benefit the American nation and her people? No more blanket exemptions or economic rationales. Immigration is a regime-based question, as both Hamilton and Jefferson wrote on extensively, and our system should reflect that Americans must also demand meaningful investment in assimilation and integration requirements for legal immigrants here already.’ (Source)
Within the debate, those who advocate for the H1B visa process are quick to call anyone a “racist” or “nativist” who stands against it. Within the tech industry the use of H1B is positioned as vital for their success.
As can be noted by the extreme position on the pro-H1B side of the discussion, they view this debate as a zero-sum contest. The position of Musk and the Silicon Valley tech group is that if the H1B process is stopped, American technological advancements will immediately cease to exist.
When it is pointed out that Silicon Valley discriminates against white Americans with engineering degrees and or skills, Silicon Valley shouts back the same arguments as the DEI promoters Musk claims to abhor. Musk and the tech group immediately use the Alinsky attack method (isolate, ridicule, marginalize) against anyone who speaks forcefully against their interests. The Musk allies and influencers then pile on. It is something remarkable to watch happen.
Years of Americans in various business sectors being forced to train their foreign replacements before the Americans are terminated from employment, underscore a very hardened stance against the H1B abuse. The decision by the Silicon Valley network to dismiss this problem because they want to sustain their current business operations is not going to end well unless some cooler heads immediately intercede.
Nicole Shanahan, Robert F Kennedy’s former running mate – and also a Silicon Valley network influencer, puts it this way:
“Having lived in Silicon Valley for 20+ years and founded and sold an AI company, I’ve seen firsthand how we rely on H-1B to fill grueling, unglamorous coding jobs. These jobs are essential, and we need capable people doing them. But the system needs an overhaul.
Here’s why:
To keep pace with global competitors like China and India, we need Americans ready to tackle the challenging jobs in these fields. We have them, but often our STEM grads turn their noses up at these entry-level, low-paying coding positions after investing in a costly education.
So why are immigrants from India, China, and elsewhere so eager for these jobs? It’s not because they’re glamorous or because these roles don’t exist back home. And definitely not because they offer high salaries. There’s something else driving this…
The undeniable proof that the United States is the single greatest nation on earth is that people from every corner of the globe dream of coming here—not to China or India—but America.
I take issue with some of the discourse I’ve read online today suggesting “lazy American culture” is the main driver for why we need to continue the H-1B program. Let’s be real: tech companies getting massive breaks on cheap labor at the expense of the American way of life is predatory.
Blaming our culture for why American STEM grads won’t take underpaying jobs is ridiculous and insulting.
The system we’ve constructed with H-1B visas, whether we like it or not, incentivizes people to come here and serve as essentially indentured servants for Big Tech, taking on the tough, grueling jobs that few here in America are excited to perform at the current suppressed salaries.
In return, if you’re good at your job, you’re then put on a fast track to get a Green Card, which means legal status and the chance to bring your family over through chain migration.
I’m reminded of this famous line by our second President, John Adams: “I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy. My sons ought to study mathematics and philosophy, geography, natural history, naval architecture, navigation, commerce and agriculture in order to give their children a right to study painting, poetry, music, architecture, statuary, tapestry, and porcelain.”
Just because our kids have the “right” to chase artistic dreams like music and painting, doesn’t mean we should bring in hundreds of thousands of foreign workers to displace them in math-intensive careers. It’s a two-fold issue: both our education and immigration policies are broken. Instead of tackling these complex issues head-on, Big Tech monopolies and tech VCs are looking for the fastest way to outcompete globally and become industry giants. It’s paid off—look at the insane valuations of these companies!
We can’t entirely blame them for this approach—it’s been the industry norm for 40 years—but we can insist they seek out the tough, lasting solutions. No more temporary fixes.
I was asked if teaching American kids coding from a younger age would make them want these coding jobs. My response? No, it won’t. These jobs aren’t fun, people.
But, do I think removing the incentive of attaining legal status would reduce the volume of foreign applicants? Absolutely.
And, guess what? That might finally force Big Tech to look for workers right here at home (and pay them a competitive wage). Americans expect fair pay, which means these companies would have to start sharing their wealth rather than hoarding it.
Meritocracy is key to America’s greatness, but so are justice and fairness—we shouldn’t keep rewarding an industry that has curtailed free speech and American values. After Trump’s recent victory, the everyday worker feels empowered like never before. They won’t surrender that power, and frankly, it’s not right to imply they should.
There are numerous ways to improve our immigration system while safeguarding the American labor force (and I say “force” because it truly is capable, creative, and powerful).
Here are two straightforward steps to start the process:
1. Immigration policy must be designed to protect the American way of life and its workforce. Singapore’s work permit program, which they designed in the ’90s, was built from this standard and could provide good inspiration. They use a modern-day designation system to manage the influx of labor across various sectors.
⁃ Employers face levies (essentially fees that employers have to pay for each foreign worker they hire. It’s a way to manage the number of foreign workers coming in by making it more expensive to employ them, encouraging companies to also look for talent locally).
⁃ There are Dependency Ceilings, which essentially limit the number of foreign workers based on the local workforce—this is KEY.
⁃ They impose restrictions on the countries from which workers can come.
⁃ Permits are diversified across industries to ensure balance.
2. Special economic zones are amazing and can transform local tech job markets. Hiring locally is going to be critical for making sure Americans are taking key tech industry roles AND able to support their families.
If we really want to lift America to heights unseen in generations—not just talk about it, but actually do it—then we can’t continue to stick to outdated strategies that have harmed Americans. We owe it to ourselves and our communities to aim higher and do better.” (source)
As I watch this debate unfold, I find myself finally realizing why all the Silicon Valley tech people were such staunch Democrats. Their worldview does not: (1) seem to comprehend American Economic Nationalism as a priority; (2) seem to appreciate the importance of true liberty in the creation of the remarkable outcomes from American exceptionalism; and (#3) they appear to be inside a bubble of self-interest, unattached and unaffected by the economic issues that have seriously harmed the MAGA base.
In essence, the Silicon Valley network represented by Elon Musk team, does not connect in the same way to the important priorities of middle America. The technocrats are, well, Technocrats.
Watching this debate unfold is quite remarkable.
If you look at the big picture all of their excuses sound like the ultra rich of olden days making excuses for indentured servitude and slavery.
And you remember what happened the last time we tried to free the slaves…
https://www.britannica.com/event/American-Civil-War
And Elon did threaten war. Wow.
Maybe Elon should just move out of the USA.
We now see him for who he is.
A caste system, for sure.
Yes.
It’s perfectly wonderful for “us” to exploit “those”
lowly foreigners, while cheating and stealing
everything from “you”, who are less than “us”.
Reminds me of ;
Only the little people pay taxes, (to support our imported foreign labor pool).
LOL, the immigrants aren’t slaves or indentured. The credentialed are being offered what they are worth, the market has been set. They were protected for 40 years, but the chickens have come home to roost.
Scanning X for the last few days, I have found that in many respects the “tech bro” oligarchs do not see themselves as Americans, but rather as rootless economic opportunists. They live in bubbles isolated from American culture and values; and see American greatness only in the stratospheric increase in their already fat bank accounts. Further, they see themselves as overlords (sociopathic at that) not as fellow citizens.
Jack Posobiec on War Room this morning: we are a country not an economy.
Poso’s wrong. America is a business, and has been a long time.
This is no different than crying about Congress not working for their constituency. The ARE working for their constituency…. WE just made the mistake of believing that WE are that constituency.
We don’t “pledge our lives and treasure” for “business” ™️, but for “hearth and home”, our nation. It is “God bless America” … not Big Tech (etc), corporate profitability and widget production.
“These United States are confronted with an economic affliction of great proportions. We suffer from the longest and one of the worst sustained inflations in our national history. It distorts our economic decisions, penalizes thrift, and crushes the struggling young and the fixed-income elderly alike. It threatens to shatter the lives of millions of our people.
Idle industries have cast workers into unemployment, human misery, and personal indignity. Those who do work are denied a fair return for their labor by a tax system which penalizes successful achievement and keeps us from maintaining full productivity. …
From time to time we’ve been tempted to believe that society has become too complex to be managed by self-rule, that government by an elite group is superior to government for, by, and of the people. Well, if no one among us is capable of governing himself, then who among us has the capacity to govern someone else? All of us together, in and out of government, must bear the burden. The solutions we seek must be equitable, with no one group singled out to pay a higher price. …
We are a nation that has a government — not the other way around. And this makes us special among the nations of the Earth. Our government has no power except that granted it by the people. It is time to check and reverse the growth of government, which shows signs of having grown beyond the consent of the governed.”–Actual President Ronald Reagan, 1981 Inaugural
SO well stated!!!
We are a nation that has a government — not the other way around. And this makes us special among the nations of the Earth.
No, it doesn’t. It makes you normal.
The reason the US is roundly condemned round the world is because your govt constantly brays you, the people, are special, knowing this will engender chants of USA, USA.
Newsflash.
You ain’t.
The American people are no more special, no more exceptional, no more critical to the world universe than your average single cell amoeba.
Unless and until American people get this into their hearts and start living it, the world will continue to be a shithole of your own creation.
They not only don’t SEE themselves as Americans, they are in fact NOT Americans in any real sense. Musk is South African. Thiel is German. Those are notable, literal, and easy examples. And then, you have the “international-types” that Henry Ford identified.
They are “globalists”, every single one. One has to look no further than WEF white papers to see why. Their greatest financial and status benefit is tied to Schwaub’s machinations.
They also ALL exist financially, solely, by mowing at the trough of big, porky, government. If anyone thinks for a minute that DOGE is about cutting “waste”, they’re delusional. It’s about freeing up and diverting wasteful money to Tech s pocket. This is a raid. Full stop.
And… “Efficient Government”? No one with any sense wants that. Communist governments are efficient. Think that through.
So…. Yes, St Elon of Twitspace and his little wind-up cars and his Shudra “work”force can fellate themselves.
AND spoken like an adult (fellate rather than f__k)!
Musk’s wealth is inextricably tied to mining the balance sheet of the American nation via tax subsidies, government contracts and taxpayer funded intellectual property.
“This is a raid. Full stop.”
Multiethnic and even more so multiracial democracy is just tribal raiding parties formalized with paperwork and in slow motion. I used to call myself a ‘nationalist capitalist’ because that is what we appeared to have during our period of greatest period of prosperity and stability.
I would argue that what we have now is not capitalism, but I guarantee that such semantics do not buy spit with the younger generations. What we have now, however you want to label it, is a failure with which very few are happy. We are in full Weimar territory.
If the system of crony cartel corporatism that Establishment Republicans call capitalism cannot coexist with nationalism (the preservation and defense of your own people in your own people’s land) then it is the ‘capitalism’ that must go. Nationalist capitalism (internal free markets, external defenses) is best. Internationalist capitalism is a civilization destroying horror from which the rest of humanity recoils. No one their patterns genetic and memetic (culture) subsumed, destroyed, and replaced.
The argument that “Tech” needs foreign workers to do the jobs that Americans can’t or won’t is the argument of GW Bush RINOs. Why do they get a platform?! This is fatal.
I care about my country. I don’t care about the “Tech” industry, or any other for that matter, leeching the lifeblood out of our nation for financial advantage.
God Bless America:
“ While the storm clouds gather far across the sea
Let us swear allegiance to a land that’s free
Let us all be grateful that we are far from there
As we raise our voices in a solemn prayer
…
God bless America, land that I love
Stand beside her and guide her
Through the night with a light from above
From the mountains to the prairies
To the oceans white with foam
God bless America, my home sweet home
God bless America, my home sweet home”.
“Rootless opportunists”
Perfection.
And dare I say “closet globalists”?
(Though perhaps not so much in the closet any longer.)
I believe I do…
In a not so different age the term Robber Barons was used.
And so it goes…
I believe you are right ,Bet..👍
🇺🇸💪😀👍
I can’t remember when she weren’t..
They have been outted. Their fangs are exposed.
Penny pinching for thee, while increased profits for me.
This is the mantra of the global oligarchs.
How the hell dare the peasants take notice!
Hubris, Lorrie.
Serious Questions:
Were the H1B people/coders (non-Americans) responsible for following instructions from bad people to censure conservatives on social media in the past?
Might the non-Americans be more likely to take away freedoms of Americans in the future?
Ever heard of those “fighting age males” crossing the border?
Consider them enemy forces that are embedded in the system right now.
Just like I said to T. Turtle last night, my buddy who handles the OS for major cruise lines says that he sets parameters and AI writes the code now, he only has to check it for errors. Easy Peasy..
Have another AI check it for errors.
Hunh. Never thought of that.
Another route to destroying our republic from within?
Yes, yes and yes.
exactly…
not to mention DOGE (avoiding regulatory oversight by controlling it)
not to mention AI & crypto.
not to mention Technocrat plutocracy.
Will DOGE target only programs that working Americans have been taxed, regulated and betrayed into needing while leaving Tesla’s subsidies intact?
Outstanding comment!
Of course.
Do not tell our President to go “F*CK YOURSELF in the face”, Musk. He’s not your indentured servant and neither are we. In case you hadn’t noticed, we’re not doing Oligarchy anymore, not even yours.
You’d better reprogram that chip in your brain for the chip on your shoulder, son. Stat.
This is the wedge to make the uniparty.
FJB is out FEM is in…. Buh Bye
“What I want to do and what I will do is you graduate from a college, I think you should get automatically as part of your diploma, a green card to be able to stay in this country,” Trump said. “And that includes junior colleges, too.”
— Donald J Trump
He’s not perfect like you and me.
just better than all the rest. 😉
♥️
That tweet Elon sent was unnecessary and indicates how immature and selfish he is. What a nasty mouth! Falls right in line with his jumping around when he’s on the stage with President Trump. Body language can be very revealing. JMHO.
All sweetness and light, until someone tell him “NO”. Like a pimp psychopath.
NAILED my sentiments precisely Gipper. Thanks.
This could end Musk. Normally, I am wordy and elaborate, but I think people here all see it. Ironman hero no more.
I loved it what Musk said GFY to Disney – it was a moral position. But now it’s GFY to a large mass of Americans on an issue we see as immoral and violative of law?
Oh boy…
I don’t see why anyone ever admired him. He’s NOT a genius, but always was a suckling PIG of government money, in return for making bad ideas into real ones… like his self-wrecking EVs.
Oh, and I didn’t need ANYONE to tell me woke = stupid and bad. He’s not exceptional in that way, but like so many faceless others. If you weren’t so desperate for affirmation, you wouldn’t have people like Musk… a predator, having cunning, not genius, to whom you give an “in” to, which they then abuse that loyalty the first chance they get. Because that’s what self-serving narcissists do! STOP being played by them. Know how they work so you can know them when you see them and, rather than make them yet another celebrity-turned-Judas, you can just avoid them entirely. But who am I kidding…
Even if you were to heed this GOLDEN advice, you’re one person. So, so, SO many more will never learn and, so, this kind of thing will keep happening, over and over.
Civilian fool. Musk absolutely gets himself very schooled on everything he does. And he’s very schooled on everything he has done. When PayPal turned evil, Elon was not part of it. When he was supporting OpenAI, he ensured they were a non-profit to avoid the tech being a secret to be used against the public and he is now going after OpenAI because they are in violation having set up private/secret operations and apparently partnering up with Microsoft? Let’s not pretend you are as smart or as enterprising as Elon Musk. You’re an anon on a comment section.
Whether or not he is genius or genius adjacent, he absolutely knows what he’s doing and knows the tech exceedingly well. And he puts in the work — it’s undeniable.
Musk has a huge public presence. That’s why people listen to him. And he bought and developed that. As for pig of government money? It’s the only way he could be allowed to do the things he does. The corruption is from the top down.
You’ve got so much hate condensed into relatively few words it’s pretty easy to see it’s impossible that you are incapable of rational thought while you were raging over your keyboard.
None of these things are simple. H1B was a scam from the start. Everyone in tech like me knew it. Business lobbied and they got what they paid for. But today, we have a bigger problem. The US economy would instantly enter crisis mode if H1B were ended and all people here returned to their country of origin. We’ve had a sharp decline in people interested in the tech field. The people fired long ago haven’t kept up their skills and the youth are a bunch of woke idiots for the most part.
We may hate the parasite, but it will kill the host if not properly removed and the infected tissues not cured or replaced.
Thank you. The younger generations interest in tech is just not there. Working in it, I mean, not merely using it.
Top down, bottom up. They hit us construction workers with Illegal Imports then hit the big brains with a never ending stream of quasi legal Apus. Best of luck paying off those ridiculous student loans..
The really funny part is we acted like the GloboCorp. Techa-zoids were actually going to help Our Movement one iota.
What is funny about that? It is simply evil and in no way funny.I don’t think we acted in your “giveup” way at all. It is just corrupt and greedy lust for themselves with a basic agenda against the American people. Many, many people have complained over and over for years. about H1B taking our children’s jobs. Nobody listened. Trump himself vowed to change and do away with and END the H1B favoritism in March 2016,if elected when he was running for the 1st time.He got elected but did nothing. He now has a new opportunity to honor his promises.
Just as CONSERVATIVE TREEHOUSE states in today’s article (12/28) ELON MUSK and his Indian buddy Vivek Ramaswamy are now fighting violently and relentlessly with MAGA people to keep the unfair and outrageous anti-American H1B visas. In the past until now those who complained were demonized, called traitors, called racists ,called anti immigrant, called anti-American ,fired until all opposition was suppressed and silenced.. The organized Silicon Valley cabal of now insanely rich tech billionaires selfishly guarding their immense wealth and wanting still more brought in the Indians engineers and bypassed immigration laws with engineers and with their hordes of relatives who work for less,fast track to citizenship, breed greatly.and take more and more American jobs.
Indians have an ancient culture and are adept at finding alternative ways to modify the creations of others (Europeans, Russians,Germans, British and Americans) BUT are not able to create and innovate out of their own minds without a start from those of mankinds more open to creative influence from higher worlds. Indian culture is frozen in place with their own past abilities and cannot innovate from a vacuum until they move past their outmoded Indian culture is forever moved into history .
How did Sundar Pischai who changed his name (birth name Pichai Sundarajan) get to be CEO of Google.? THE American CEOs have forgotten how they came to their opportunity and have submitted.to the deadliest of the 7 deadly sins sin of GREED . Deadliest because it leads to all the other deadly sins and moral transgressions of pride, greed,lust, wrath (rage),gluttony,envy and sloth (laziness) that always eventually lead to destruction of a society. WE ARE WELL ALONG THAT PATH.
I never went off the deep end with this New and Improved MAGA crap from the giddyup. It gives me the grins when the bandwagon crowd gets brought back down to reality. That is what’s funny
These billionaire titans don’t give a 🐀’s 🫏 about mere mortals. Altruism is not part of their DNA.
💰 is all they care about.
I suddenly like Nicole Shanahan more.
I like her better than ron!..
And I like Musk less.
This statement from Musk, and the “center of the universe”
statement yesterday are setting a tone that feels like
maybe things are not going to be as they first appeared.
Agree completely. Her statement was truly illuminating. Thanks to Sundance for seeing and posting to our view. Perspective is a vital aspect of understanding. Her statement broadened my grasp of all this with clarity and care.
Nicole Shanahan has superior critical thinking skills to Musk or Vivek. Those “Tech Bros” are infantile narcissistic twerps.
I had misjudged her when I first heard of her, and I have since admitted how wrong I was.
She’s a woman of substance.
Complexity is a subsidy when it comes to government policy. Especially for the wealthy.
Not a new idea. If you need an example to aid understanding, look no further than the U.S. tax code. Only the wealthy can afford the army of attorneys and accountants required to navigate and take advantage of the thousands of pages of the code.
The H-1B system is a subsidy to the tech industry, and it is complex by design.
It is a subsidy to a lot of industries – then they run for office. How would India or China like it if we ran for office or positions in their countries and told them F*ck You In The Face?
Elon would be a greasy spot.
The fool doesn’t know our wrath.
Tesla may find neither Libs nor Conservatives now want to buy his expensive toy cars.
Space X could still exist without Musk. He can’t take the buildings and launch pads with him. The brains may decide to stay here.
TwittteX could be run by someone else or a new American owner of TikTok could be a serious threat.
He has accomplished a lot and is a great visionary but he might want to remember where he is:
IN AMERICA.
Go back to South Africa if you don’t like what Americans rightly demand. Careful Elon: your empire could collapse overnight. .
I don’t think too many conservatives were buying his cars anyway, and yes, if one of my friends is a barometer, he has definitely alienated liberals.
Nicole Shanahan – she makes a thoughtful and complex argument in a most compelling way.
There are areas where I might not be in total agreement with her, but I don’t see anything coming from her that is just flat-out wrong and being presented as right.
I wonder how much of the noise is because of the fact billionaires’ companies are able to get away with paying highly qualified people chump change and how much of the noise is because some of the projects B1-B visa holders are working on are so anti-American that most Americans would blow the whistle if they were assigned to them.
Official education seems to have a hand here. Perhaps a full overhaul of Colleges of Education is in order. Review the policy makers who set the agenda and turn out cookie-cutter teachers determined to dumb down our students. A very perceptive black reporter, April Ryan, said yesterday on MSNBC that black students have historically been under educated. With a little broader view, so have the white students.
What better technique to knock the U.S. off its achievement pedestal than to undermine the education of its youth.
Teachers who can’t pass literacy tests – see New York
Too much BS in a BS in engineering. Universities need to cut out a lot of the unproductive courses they require to get an engineering degree. Too many students incur unnecessary debts and wasted time getting their degrees. For example, is it really necessary to take three semesters of calculus classes and differential equations to be an engineer? I did. And not once did I ever use math beyond algebra and trigonometry in my career as an engineer. The vast majority of engineers do not! Math is important. Require a math competency test and teach to that test. The rest just dissuades USA students from pursuing a very good career and degree.
“Employers “mandating” degrees for work that has NO RELATIONSHIP to the mastery allegedly displayed by possessing one can only happen in a cartel environment.”
https://x.com/tickerguy/status/1873051636077355225
Huh?
You never used calculus in your job?
What kind of engineer were you?
Big tech is free to move their operations to China, India, wherever. Why don’t they? Pigeonholing American workers out of the tech industry because they won’t work for slave wages will not be tolerated when the populace are made aware of the Silicon Valley’s business model to hold American workers back.
We’ve been slaves all our lives, performing valuable technical service jobs for minimum wage.
Is America being destroyed from within?
Hell yes!
By greed.
It is sad that the richest man in the world thinks he still needs more, and that acquiring more, is his number one priority.
See how easily the “real” Elon was exposed? Wait for the exposure on “space”.
Stephen Miller responded to this
https://revolver.news/2024/12/stephen-miller-just-sent-a-thinly-veiled-warning-to-the-america-last-tech-faction/
Stephen Miller is erudite and succinct.
An intellectual MAGA, and a masterful orator!
💕🇺🇸
Stephen Miller is a lawyer.
Lawyers exist behind a wall of protectionism called passing the bar.
The new US consulate in Hyderabad, India features over 50 windows and provisions for handling long lines of visa applicants. Think of your local DMV on steroids. Assuming expedited processing, each window could handle up to 4 applicants per hour. Assuming a normal M-F work week, this single consulate in one Indian city could process 400,000 visas per year. The implications are staggering.
Sound like an invasion of cheap labor just how the Uniparty’s masters like it.
Invasion is the key word.
Why don’t they teach their stupid robots to code? If it is that low-skill and boring surely a machine could do it. Musk says he needs 160,000 workers. Build the plant in India and drain all their electricity. We don’t need anymore Indian foreign workers to run for office and run roughshod over the taxpayers. No wonder Rush Limbaugh didn’t like this guy. Current day slaveowner.
Not sure that this post attributed to Musk is accurate.
So you’re saying he didn’t say that?
We expected Vivek would betray, but Elon is the worst, ingratiating himself into the Trump campaign, and the Trump family is not wise and unforgiveable.
Elon loses this one, MAGA are not fools nor are we contemptible, we are Americans and he’s not. Trump will choose America First.
“Elon Musk condemned a segment of the MAGA movement as “contemptible fools” who should be purged from the Republican Party in a social media post Friday.”
~Axios
I do not believe Trump will change his views. He is a rock when it comes to MAGA.
And I am sure he admires Elon, Starlink , the rockets. etc. We all do. I am sure Elon loved the roar of the crowd when he stood next to Trump. Now he will learn what it means to stand with Trump
Trump has no aversion to making money but he respects the American worker.Trump loves this country.He does not take his salary as President because he isn’t in it for money.
Vivek’s comments are totally revealing of his motives and just as damaging to him as Hillary’s “deplorable” comments in 2016.
How long will it take the tech crowd to realize that “we the people” have a place at the table?
Agree. When I read Vivek R’s comments I heard echoes of”deplorables” and “smelly Wal-Mart shoppers.”
If what you say is true, lindak, then it’s time for Trump to speak up and clarify. He is currently between a rock and a hard place because of Elon and Vivek. Trump will have to decide which team he plays on and soon.
Maybe we should outsource DOGE functions to some Israeli bean counters.. nah, they will bill too much, maybe we can get some Indian lads to put down their Cricket bats and pick up an abacus or two and head down to “Storage Room B” and pick up where E and V left off .
Inventory is such a drag.
He got too close to the family, befriended Barron, had Thanksgiving with the family. According to Maye Elon’s mother Elon and Barron talked about space throughout.
Betray Trump once he may forgive, betray the family your goose is cooked.
Elon’s mother Maye can’t be too happy about this, she told Neil Cavuto she was looking forward to spending more time with Melania at Mar-A-Lago.
Melania does not suffer fools or phonies not when you are accepted into the family circle, then you betray their trust.
Almost 35 years ago Americans were told to Press 2 for Spanish, shocking at the time, and now we can’t get someone on the phone who can speak English without a heavy accent in a country of 335 million people. The fact is that these corporations don’t want you to bother them, they just want your money.
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America became strong a LONG time before Musk and the H1Bs came here. To claim that the H1B crowd is what made the US strong is very similar to the “You didn’t build that” argument.
Revolver News article with some useful ideas on the DEI angle in this:
https://revolver.news/2024/12/purple-haired-hr-shrews-are-front-line-soldiers-in-the-maga-elon-tech-war/
Thank you for this!!!
Out standing article Sundance 👍🏼🇺🇲
I like to think of issues in a simple way so I start out with some questions. Why Musk didn’t go to India to form his companies if the workers there are required for the success of the companies. Why isn’t India the greatest country in the world. Do we want the USA culture and society to look like India? Something smells in this argument that workers from the greatest nation now existing doesn’t have usable labor. How did that happen? Is the answer to America’s problems the hiring of foreign workers? I don’t think so. Fix the problems in the USA so the best and brightest come from here. There is always room for a small amount of gifted people from foreign shores but replacement of the American work force with foreigners is not a reasonable option.
Brilliant point. Go to effing India then, he’ll have all the workers he wants.
Because Egor Musk would not get corporate welfare US tax dollars like he does in America.
I am NO expert on this, but something just occurred to me, haven’t these foreign countries, with the so-called needed labor they seek to import, been sending their people to the United States for higher education for decades? Just saying…
I think “they” want our country… Obama started with his infamous.. we are changing America to a new way forward..replacement immigrants..ignite race ..etc…
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What the oligarchs refuse to admit is that the US offers them superior economic opportunities precisely BECAUSE of the values and culture here that they despise. They have no problem destroying the country, because there is profit in destruction. Just ask a short seller. (I used to be one).
Elon just crapped in his own hat ; the response by Paul Ingrassia on X is masterful and dead on target . I sometimes wonder if the tech element is completely blind to physical hands on labor because they have never performed any to fruition. AI promotes laziness ; repetition ( to a certain extent ) and toiling are good for the soul and body . Technology is a tool not a lifestyle.
He surely shat the bed didn’t he.
Please post a link to what you are referencing, thank you in advance.
in Paul Ingrassia’s post on X he has pinned it with a link to a Substack article he wrote, titled “What Elon and Vivek Get Wrong about the H-1B Visa Debate”
https://paulingrassia.substack.com/p/what-elon-and-vivek-get-wrong-about
Thank you Bessie , just now saw Monticello’s request .
Why am I paying $100 a month for internet connection? They should be paying me!
And, look at all the folks who PAY for the upgraded spyware, ie latest telephone ( or get it “free” signing up for the latest long term contract).
This comes as no surprise, Big Tech, like all American business, seeks to reduce labor costs in order to maximize profit. Elon Musk and the rest of the Silicon Tech-Gurus are no different in their approach to business than the mom & pop pizza shop. If you own a business why would you hire unskilled labor at $17.50 when you get equal performance out of someone at $10.
I guess Elon Musk is not going to PTrump’s New Year’s Eve party….. Instead, Musk is going to plan his war on America.
Making threats against America is NOT a good plan. Musk may end up f**king his own face.
He wouldn’t dare show up, he’d be frozen right out.
Trump already and publically invited him and X to the party. Trump is very forgiving.
Musk needs to breathe a little; smell the coffee; and the flowers.
Would he???
My family and I have voted for Trump three times. Where is he?
My son recently graduated from school with
a BA in computer science and no one is responding to his job applications. His peers cannot find jobs either.
Same thing in my family, knows coding anything/everything regarding computers, the problem is he’s white.
So is Musk. See my response to the commenter above named LegionofOne.
My son graduated only to be told his promised job went to India.
My son worked in the Apple retail store, took the Cisco series tests, which require study, and was promoted into Corporate Apple. The Cisco test is quite helpful. He also has a degree, although in Economics and is quite computer saavy.
I read many of the Revolver comments. Someone there was lamenting the same. The solution for that commenter was to change his name to an Indian name and submit applications in that name. It worked. He got responses to his applications and a job offer. It’s sad but I guess we have to learn to play the game.
This has been going on for decades. In 2001, my oldest son graduated from W&M, summa cum laude in Economics & Mathematics (4.0). He had coauthored two peer reviewed math journal articles and scored in the top .1% with his GRE’s. When he applied to the Wharton School PhD program he was told that because he was neither female, gay, “of color” or a foreigner they would not accept him. The admissions staff didn’t even try to conceal the rationale for their decision.
Did Tesla hide job listings in newspapers so they can hire H-1B visa workers?
– Revolver News:
“Musk supporters argue that companies like Tesla are legally required to publish job listings in certain outlets, like newspapers. And while that’s true, it’s also a convenient loophole. Companies post these job ads in obscure newspapers, then hire loads of foreign workers while claiming, “No Americans applied.” Well, of course they didn’t—most Americans never even saw the ad. See how this game is played?” …….
I did see an ad in Florida papers.
The Peddler’s Post??
What a timeline: President Trump’s Twitter account removed from X and only published in newspapers in 5, 4, 3, 2…
But it’s not censorship!
Will not happen, Trump giveth and Trump can taketh away.
On Dec. 27, 2024, Revolver News published a good story on how the H1-B system is rigged for human trafficking. After seeing the vile threat posted by Musk, it’s easy to see why the left is saying that Musk is the true President Elect. This is something that has concerned me about Musk AND Ramaswamy, since DOGE was conceptualized.
The tech industry is not the only industry where this occurs. With the rise in government healthcare and government requirements for reimbursement (follow government protocols) many good doctors left the profession. Instead, we see mostly doctors who “follow protocols” to get government reimbursement or insurance reimbursement. Hospitals shifted from non profit to for profit and more financial pressure was placed on physicians, many of whom now work for companies that exclusively contract with the for profit hospitals and must follow the for profit protocols (which are seeking to maximize reimbursement).
Administrators at Centers for Medicare and Medicaid and for-profit hospitals are making the medical treatment protocols not the doctors. They choose the protocols that maximize profits. (HCA nursing administrators receive bonuses for hiring fewer RNs, for example). Lacking physicians, H+B1 visas are used to attract Indian physicians to the US. I was personally involved in a case where an Indian physician was basically the pimp for obtaining Indian physicians from India. The pimp would receive a special bonus for every physician from India he could bring to the US under a significantly below market wage. Thus, in a state like Florida which is a “Right to Work” state there are fewer worker protections. (Corrupt unions prompted this type of legislation in many states).
So, in Florida, to keep a physician at a lower than market salary, a contract is needed. Of course, these are adhesion contracts and these foreign workers do not fully understand what they have bargained for. So, when they arrive in the US and begin the grueling work-they learn about reasonable hours and reasonable wages. Very few sue. One doctor exposed this operation in Pinellas County, Fl. Not much publicity about it, however. Too much power in the hands of the greedy and corrupt.
Best not to get hurt or sick here in Florida is my advice.
I see your TRUE colors shining through….
How are Musk and Ramaswamey going to approach DOGE, which is what they are supposed to focus on, when their own special interest is threatened and they react with such outrage?
Here we once again see, when someone shows you who they are, believe them.
They are all but fired. On day 1 they will get a pink slip.
Hope so…
DOGE has oligarchs (foreign born or 1st generation) supervising/auditing the finances of U.S. government agencies.
Brilliant.
One thing Bobby, Elon, and Vivek are not lacking is ego.
So, maybe now we can chat about hotels and call centers.
Revenge of the Nerds, they lose we win. We’ll show Elon what “contemptible fools” we are.
Elon soon to be old King Midas, alone with all his gold, and his many children who hate him.
The mark of a man is how he treats his children. Elon’s father is a contemptible horrible person according to Musk, seems he’s not too far fallen from the tree.
Trump loves his children and the feeling is mutual. Musk made a fatal mistake when he pretended to be friend Barron. He’s dead to Trump now, and to America..
However, Elon’s father provided him ample financial support to “buy into the game” in the US. He did not arrive on our shores with only a nickel in his pocket and a stratospheric IQ. So far his greatest genius is mining the pocket of US taxpayers through government contracts, carbon tax credits and cheap credit from China.
Why can’t AI do the damn boring coding? Free up Americans to paint flowers and eliminate foreign intrusion.
AI was/is created by humans. Old adage, “garbage in, garbage out.”
“Hiring foreign workers to do the jobs Americans can’t, or won’t”.
GW Bush RINOs have entered the MAGA house.
Just a few weeks ago…
A top labor union leader Dennis Daggett, the executive vice president of the International Longshoreman’s Association — the union that shut down ports with a strike earlier this year — said his recent meeting with Trump was “an experience I never imagined in my wildest dreams. … breathlessly praised President-elect Donald Trump for proving him wrong and showing that a Republican can champion the working class.”
Virginia Dare
VDare covered this visa and tech issue for several years.
Glad this came out now rather than, say, October. Hopefully, their usefulness has run it’s course.
Border Hawk News is a news aggregate site.
https://borderhawk.news
I do not know who Musk is talking to or any context concerning this statement, but,
it certainly raised my hackles.
Maybe Musk needs to feel the power of the American economy when we just say NO
to his products. And yes to, okay buddy, go elsewhere because we really
are getting no real benefits to having you here. And oh by the way, we will
tariff the products you ship into our market.
We’ve been hammered with this specious propaganda by ‘special interests’ for decades. Musk, Ramaswamy & company are just the latest wolves in sheep’s clothing.
Are We Really That Lazy?
Newsweek from February 16, 1992
It’s been a tough few weeks for the image of American workers. First, Japanese House Speaker Yoshio Sakurauchi declared that Americans were “lazy.” Then, Japan’s Prime Minister Kiichi Miyazawa said they “may lack a work ethic.” To make matters worse, some American pundits agreed. But a recently published book by a Harvard economics professor argues that, in fact, Americans are industrious to a fault. In “The Overworked American: The Unexpected Decline of Leisure,” author Juliet B. Schor discusses how too much work is affecting everyone from corporate executives to hamburger flippers. She talked with NEWSWEEK’S Annetta Miller.
No. Working hours in the United States have increased substantially over the past 20 years. From the end of the 1960s to the present, Americans have increased the time they spend at work by about 160 hours–or nearly one month-per year. This is equally true for people in glamour jobs and line workers at McDonald’s. And it’s true for women as well as men…
https://www.newsweek.com/are-we-really-lazy-200818
IMO, virtually all of Musk’s net worth can be connected to past, present, and future projected government help. For example, Tesla and SpaceX got started – and survived in their early days – with assistance from state and federal policies, government contracts and loans. It’s not a “wild statement” to say the foundation for Musk’s financial success has been the US government … had he stayed in South Africa … well, you “do the math”.
And Musk is not the only one to take advantage of the dysfunctional H-1B Visa program.
Look at the past 20 years of demographics for Redmond, WA, for example. And then take a stroll down any street in Redmond and listen to the various “conversations”. In what was for the past 130+/- years basically a lily-white small farming community, today you might think you were walking down any street in Mumbai, India … THANKS, to Microsoft, MR. GATES, and Nintendo … !!!
The “legal immigration system” needs fixing as well as the “illegal” one all are focused on … and ASAP would be nice.
I see your TRUE colors shining through…
Trump handed Elon the most power he will ever have his entire life, like most incels it went immediately to his head like cheap wine.
Soon he will wake up with the worst hangover of his life.
I guess no one saw this All-In podcast wherein Trump discusses H-1B visas.
https://x.com/theallinpod/status/1803932968794108081
I did now! 😢
What equivalent “gift” are OUR citizens getting for the same achievement!!!
A free kick in the teeth.
I saw it and I have talked about it before, and got bashed for it because once Trump says something, you can’t question it without being told no that bad idea is suddenly MAGA, it’s not the right time because we have more important issues, he has a plan, take your pick.
The fact is, President Trump has waffled, a lot, since2016, on this and other immigration-type issues.
His choice of an Indian man who wants to lift the cap on H1b workers, as Senior Policy Advisor for AI suggests to me that we will soon be hearing that more H1b visas are essential.
Gov’t agency or not, does President Trump understand that when a DOGE-bro opens their mouth it is widely perceived as coming from the mouth of the President? A couple sources tell me that sourcing of engineering positions is often accomplished by “dumbing down” the resumes of American applicants once received, so the Indian shines and the requisite ‘inadequate’ US applications justify the H1-B hire.