The Silicon Valley immigration priority was not the topic I thought would explode and fracture the tenuous MAGA alignment with the New Big Tech group represented by Elon Musk and his billionaire network. However, we learn more every day.
This is a jaw-dropping moment to watch unfold as a very influential sector of the political discourse begins a full-frontal attack against those who are pointing out how the tech community abuse H1B visas to replace American workers. In the background, of course, is the context of widespread immigration policy fraud being one of the priorities for the average Trump supporter.
The Silicon Valley team do not seem to review discussion of the H1B manipulation/fraud within the larger American economy as a problem, as long as the discussion of the visa fraud does not impact their business models. However, as soon as the H1B abuse started to be framed around Silicon Valley’s participation therein, the New Big Tech group take a nuclear war approach to defending their interests.
[SOURCE]
Having followed the immigration issue for a long time, yet specifically only having a big picture review of the H1B visa issues, it has been astounding to watch how Elon Musk, Vivek Ramaswamy, David Sacks and the Silicon Valley supporters and influencers are responding to having the H1B visa fraud confronted. The self-interest in their defense is just astronomical to watch unfold.
Empowered by what can only be reasonably defined as their perceived influence over President Trump, the new-era Tech team are quite forcefully telling the MAGA base of Trump-supporting American workers that their concerns, views and perspectives are irrelevant.
It appears that most of the explosive sentiments revolve around H1B visas in the tech sector issued to Indian workers specifically. Apparently, the friendships, networks and teams attached to the sector of computer engineering carry with them an emotional component. I guess that should not be a surprise considering this is essentially a peer-to-peer wagon circling, in defense of the H1B visa problems in the tech sector.
As said before, it always appeared the MAGA alignment with Silicon Valley would not be an issue until the interests of the billionaire tech team came into conflict with the MAGA base. I did not anticipate the fracture being so fast, nor did I anticipate immigration would be the trigger. However, H1B visa issuance is apparently a key part of the Silicon Valley business model.
That said, several pragmatic aspects of the discussion are now being lost amid a very toxic shouting match that has begun. President Trump and JD Vance are, perhaps understandably, staying very quiet at the moment. However, that silence is soon to be impossible as both sides of a very divisive issue are going to eventually demand President Trump to weigh in.
I will try to cut through some of the toxic noise so that we can discuss the larger issues.
Theo Wold provides some context:
“I led the drafting of legislation in the Trump ‘45 White House to create a new legal immigration framework. I saw firsthand what happens when ANY visa reform is proposed: executives from the biggest multinationals and lobbyists from all kinds of industries are banging on the door, demanding to keep what they have.
What they have is a tangled morass of visa classes that are carve-outs, handouts, and special favors to particular industries, bought and paid for through decades of lobbying feckless members of Congress and presidential administrations. Industries lobby for the foreign workers they claim to “need,” and then they get a visa class carve-out, which they protect (and seek to expand) at all costs.
And there are enormous costs for our nation – costs that fall on the American worker with devastating consequences. The statistics bear that out: job gains go to foreign-born workers while American workers post net job losses.
I also know this firsthand because I grew up a working-class kid, watching my father (and by extension, our family) suffer from unfair foreign labor competition.
For too long, Americans have been largely unaware of the source of these problems because the policies are designed to be too complicated and are made largely invisible to public scrutiny. I’m glad the right is having an open debate about legal immigration. It is past time.
To be clear, the difference between O1Bs and H1Bs matters in this debate, for example, because these visas are intended to accomplish very different goals and are entirely different in scale, BUT both visa classes are rife with abuse. (Plenty of Reggaeton stars and anti-American athletes enter the U.S. on O-1 visas.) Essentially ALL visa classes are abused. Again, that’s because these things exist to serve special interests on one side of the labor market (and it’s not the side of the American worker).
The debate can’t be confined to a single industry – it’s about Big Tech, Big Ag, tourism and hospitality, transportation (airlines, trucking), the media & sports entertainment complex (yes, the NFL and MLB have their own special visa classes and their own special treatment by DHS and State) and many many others. They all want special visas to import cheap and convenient foreign labor. Even the roofing industry is now seeking its own special visa class. And all of these special classes get expanded over time, allowing the American worker to be flooded with foreign competitors for no reason other than labor savings for employers.
I, like many Americans, voted for a sealed border and an immigration moratorium. Americans need to retake control of our immigration system — how many are coming in, for what reasons, and for how long. One question absent from our current system: how does this individual immigrant benefit the American nation and her people? No more blanket exemptions or economic rationales. Immigration is a regime-based question, as both Hamilton and Jefferson wrote on extensively, and our system should reflect that Americans must also demand meaningful investment in assimilation and integration requirements for legal immigrants here already.’ (Source)
Within the debate, those who advocate for the H1B visa process are quick to call anyone a “racist” or “nativist” who stands against it. Within the tech industry the use of H1B is positioned as vital for their success.
As can be noted by the extreme position on the pro-H1B side of the discussion, they view this debate as a zero-sum contest. The position of Musk and the Silicon Valley tech group is that if the H1B process is stopped, American technological advancements will immediately cease to exist.
When it is pointed out that Silicon Valley discriminates against white Americans with engineering degrees and or skills, Silicon Valley shouts back the same arguments as the DEI promoters Musk claims to abhor. Musk and the tech group immediately use the Alinsky attack method (isolate, ridicule, marginalize) against anyone who speaks forcefully against their interests. The Musk allies and influencers then pile on. It is something remarkable to watch happen.
Years of Americans in various business sectors being forced to train their foreign replacements before the Americans are terminated from employment, underscore a very hardened stance against the H1B abuse. The decision by the Silicon Valley network to dismiss this problem because they want to sustain their current business operations is not going to end well unless some cooler heads immediately intercede.
Nicole Shanahan, Robert F Kennedy’s former running mate – and also a Silicon Valley network influencer, puts it this way:
“Having lived in Silicon Valley for 20+ years and founded and sold an AI company, I’ve seen firsthand how we rely on H-1B to fill grueling, unglamorous coding jobs. These jobs are essential, and we need capable people doing them. But the system needs an overhaul.
Here’s why:
To keep pace with global competitors like China and India, we need Americans ready to tackle the challenging jobs in these fields. We have them, but often our STEM grads turn their noses up at these entry-level, low-paying coding positions after investing in a costly education.
So why are immigrants from India, China, and elsewhere so eager for these jobs? It’s not because they’re glamorous or because these roles don’t exist back home. And definitely not because they offer high salaries. There’s something else driving this…
The undeniable proof that the United States is the single greatest nation on earth is that people from every corner of the globe dream of coming here—not to China or India—but America.
I take issue with some of the discourse I’ve read online today suggesting “lazy American culture” is the main driver for why we need to continue the H-1B program. Let’s be real: tech companies getting massive breaks on cheap labor at the expense of the American way of life is predatory.
Blaming our culture for why American STEM grads won’t take underpaying jobs is ridiculous and insulting.
The system we’ve constructed with H-1B visas, whether we like it or not, incentivizes people to come here and serve as essentially indentured servants for Big Tech, taking on the tough, grueling jobs that few here in America are excited to perform at the current suppressed salaries.
In return, if you’re good at your job, you’re then put on a fast track to get a Green Card, which means legal status and the chance to bring your family over through chain migration.
I’m reminded of this famous line by our second President, John Adams: “I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy. My sons ought to study mathematics and philosophy, geography, natural history, naval architecture, navigation, commerce and agriculture in order to give their children a right to study painting, poetry, music, architecture, statuary, tapestry, and porcelain.”
Just because our kids have the “right” to chase artistic dreams like music and painting, doesn’t mean we should bring in hundreds of thousands of foreign workers to displace them in math-intensive careers. It’s a two-fold issue: both our education and immigration policies are broken. Instead of tackling these complex issues head-on, Big Tech monopolies and tech VCs are looking for the fastest way to outcompete globally and become industry giants. It’s paid off—look at the insane valuations of these companies!
We can’t entirely blame them for this approach—it’s been the industry norm for 40 years—but we can insist they seek out the tough, lasting solutions. No more temporary fixes.
I was asked if teaching American kids coding from a younger age would make them want these coding jobs. My response? No, it won’t. These jobs aren’t fun, people.
But, do I think removing the incentive of attaining legal status would reduce the volume of foreign applicants? Absolutely.
And, guess what? That might finally force Big Tech to look for workers right here at home (and pay them a competitive wage). Americans expect fair pay, which means these companies would have to start sharing their wealth rather than hoarding it.
Meritocracy is key to America’s greatness, but so are justice and fairness—we shouldn’t keep rewarding an industry that has curtailed free speech and American values. After Trump’s recent victory, the everyday worker feels empowered like never before. They won’t surrender that power, and frankly, it’s not right to imply they should.
There are numerous ways to improve our immigration system while safeguarding the American labor force (and I say “force” because it truly is capable, creative, and powerful).
Here are two straightforward steps to start the process:
1. Immigration policy must be designed to protect the American way of life and its workforce. Singapore’s work permit program, which they designed in the ’90s, was built from this standard and could provide good inspiration. They use a modern-day designation system to manage the influx of labor across various sectors.
⁃ Employers face levies (essentially fees that employers have to pay for each foreign worker they hire. It’s a way to manage the number of foreign workers coming in by making it more expensive to employ them, encouraging companies to also look for talent locally).
⁃ There are Dependency Ceilings, which essentially limit the number of foreign workers based on the local workforce—this is KEY.
⁃ They impose restrictions on the countries from which workers can come.
⁃ Permits are diversified across industries to ensure balance.
2. Special economic zones are amazing and can transform local tech job markets. Hiring locally is going to be critical for making sure Americans are taking key tech industry roles AND able to support their families.
If we really want to lift America to heights unseen in generations—not just talk about it, but actually do it—then we can’t continue to stick to outdated strategies that have harmed Americans. We owe it to ourselves and our communities to aim higher and do better.” (source)
As I watch this debate unfold, I find myself finally realizing why all the Silicon Valley tech people were such staunch Democrats. Their worldview does not: (1) seem to comprehend American Economic Nationalism as a priority; (2) seem to appreciate the importance of true liberty in the creation of the remarkable outcomes from American exceptionalism; and (#3) they appear to be inside a bubble of self-interest, unattached and unaffected by the economic issues that have seriously harmed the MAGA base.
In essence, the Silicon Valley network represented by Elon Musk team, does not connect in the same way to the important priorities of middle America. The technocrats are, well, Technocrats.
Watching this debate unfold is quite remarkable.


I’m lurking on this one.
The most important issues for me is human trafficking and the underlying filth that seems to be starting to bubble to the surface. A good thing, I desperately want a country that respects all people. ALL.
This issue of visas seems part of it. Fracturing the party or MAGA or whatever is a distraction and a huge bonus to the evilest parts of our society.
I have to trust Trump. But darn it, if this doesn’t get better with sunlight on the evil………I really do not know what else to do but pray, which obviously is what I am doing now.
Everyone needs to pay particular attention to everything else that may be going on. Oft when something of this magnitude occurs, the reason for its instigation is to provide cover for other actions and events…
I was a programmer (coder) for most of my career. I taught programming, I managed programmers. It is a tough job for the concentration and attention to detail needed; but all mental! I raised a family and educated my kids to MBA and PhD levels.But I am enormously humbled and eternally grateful whenever we decorate fellow vets graves at our national cemetery nearby.
I have lost a lot of respect for Musk, Ramaswamy, Gates, Schmidt and all the billionaires who have the audacity and ignorance to claim THEY aand their gadgets made America great. They need a history lesson while being escorted around any cemetery, but Arlington would be a good start. I want a surviving vet to explain the Iwo Jima statue at the gate to those pompous asshole billionaires to see what made this country what it is today. They got their billions by dealing in SLAVERY; somebody working for shit wages while they reaped the profits and paid very little tax, IN COMPARISON!
Trump better pull a rabbit out of some hat because if this ignites to where we see another ERA of Rich getting Richer, while the Poor get Poorer, he and this whole Gov will have a major problem on their hands. His words are a direct insult to millions of us who have gave blood, sweat, tears and LIVES for this nation and the foreigners are not going to do this!
As a combat vet I thank you for your gratatude and respect for our military men and women who made that ultimate sacrifice. 🇺🇸🇺🇲🇺🇸
So, Elon Musk’s response to people who disagree with him about the H1B visa program is to say “f you in the face” and call them “racist”.
That’s pathetic. That’s exactly the response of a leftwing fascist. It’s immature, anti-intellectual, potty mouthed. This guys a dangerous freak and Donald Trump is a fool to defend this guy and not to take some circumspection about this program. I’ll be contacting my representation to oppose the Donald Trump/Elon Musk H1B freak show. (Ann Coulter was right!)
Not nearly all, but some of them are. To pretend otherwise is to play dumb.
Is it racist to ask if the caste system Vivek’s parents were raised in has rubbed off on him? Apparently they were Brahmins.
did the Brahmin superiority complex affect Vivek? Is this why he talks down about American Culture? Is this why Elon is calling us racist?
Inquiring minds.
Nice!!!👍🏻
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/12/trump-advisor-warns-249-sanctuary-city-officials-that/
Let the arrests begin on January 20th!!!
These same oligarchs genocided Canada leaving less than 2% alive. They tried to do the same here but the Irish and black had more in common with the natives than their rulers.
Now after killing of the natives in the Americas they want new Indians from Asia. Then they would be next in line at the altar to moloch.
The only way to save India’s Indians is to defeat their owners here. Neera Tanden should move to India and help them out of their caste society. She can take the half pint Ramaswamy and Elon the South African slave trader with them.
Yes of course the Brit’s slaughtered the natives.
The Elons provided the slaves and the Karp’s shipped them here for profit nothing has changed since the 1400’s
In my own family, one of the younger generation, what I call a “tech geek” left his job in the private sector where he was getting $75/ hour. He took the civil service test here in NY and of course got a super high score.
He’s now working for the Government in a secure job that pays less but has substantial benefits and security.
Glad I spotted your rare post. Happy New Year to you and yours:)
The Republican Party Platform on immigration:
https://thehill.com/opinion/immigration/4786522-republican-immigration-policy-2024/amp/
This is Trump’s position on immigration, upon which he was elected.
Merit based immigration is in the platform. What if H-1bs, which are merit based, were folded into the larger merit based reform such that the H-1bs were counted against the larger merit based immigration quotas so as to not expand the number of legal immigrants coming into the country? Legal immigration is now merit based and net numbers do not expand with the H-1b program. Reform advocates get no net expansion of legal immigration and tech employers can keep their H-1bs.
We all respect Elon, and the man’s right on schedule moving in the right direction. But he’s still emerging from a very materialistic time in a man’s life. Nothing can form a blind-spot like an Economic Interest – it’s absolutely hypnotizing – I would submit the extremely impolitic timing in the pursuit of this agenda item as proof of that.
As Elon moves into a more spiritually oriented time in a man’s life he will learn all of the sobering lessons in Ecclesiastes. And the metaphor of “The Great Whore Babylon.” All Countries are destroyed by letting money decide their actions – and this Country is about halfway down that road even as we speak.
MAGA is about the Heart & Soul of a Nation – not the bottom line on a spread-sheet. I would point out that Big Government along with its favorite son Big Tech haven’t exactly been a winning combination. They’ve left us in ruins.
There’s only one way for a Country to be Great – it has to be fair to its citizens and not interfere with their God given Freedom.
I have no respect for him whatsoever. He gives all appearances of being a satanist and a globalist. His disdain for the Americans was always apparent, but people have been blinded because they think he actually is MAGA.
Although Christians should be innocent as doves we should not be naïve to the ways of the world. Elon Musk will not learn the sobering lessons in Ecclesiastes because he is anti-Christ, one of many in Silicon Valley and the world.
I heard a clip of him talking to Alex Jones yesterday. They were talking about about the brain interface chip. In order, they talked about how it made a lame man walk and a blind man see. Is Elon the savior now?
Genesis 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
Very well said.
I recently heard Alex Jones also extolling the virtues and advantages of Musk’s brain chip interface, and that strikes me insofar as Jones has become somewhat of an acolyte of Musk’s. It appears as if Musk has in fact come to the aid of Jones financially or with legal assistance eg an Amicus brief re the sale of Jone’s “identity” on “X” – also his embattled platform so it’s easy to understand why Jones is so supportive of Musk and his efforts. His “X” platform is main driver of Jones’ broadcast presence.
I’ve seen the picture of Musk in the Baphomet breastplate costume. ( yeah Halloween, whatever ) and it would not surprise me in the least to discover Musk answers to dark forces. He is no doubt aware of Jack Parson’s ( Jet Propulsion Labs – Pasadena ) long standing study, as an acolyte of Alistair Crowley and his satanic “Thelema” practices.
As to Musk + MAGA? He is not, I agree. Only insofar as the alliance with POTUS and MAGA fulfills a political expediency for Musk and his endeavors.
At the end of the day I could easily imagine very little daylight between Musk and the evil one.
“For nothing is hid, that shall not be made manifest; nor anything secret, that shall not be known and come to light.”
Well stated. Very well stated indeed.
He [Elon] appreciates power.
Art of the Deal
And NO chain migration
Another scam. The immigration outrages never end. But we can thank the scum who run our country for all that.
Indeed,
I wouldn’t say it’s paid off for Big Tech either (above article: Nicole Shanahan) – it’s all supported by the government – and Big Tech is now a quasi governmental sector – and the government’s broke.
And pretty sure Musk takes government contract $$$ for the space program, then seems to privatize his companies…after awhile, of course.
That does not solve the problem. THEY ARE TAKING JOBS FROM QUALIFIED AMERICANS.
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/agenda47
From his most current statement on H1B visas, we are betrayed.
Who cares what his “agenda” is at this point? He has revealed his hand and he says “I don’t care about American workers”
I train my kids in STEM only to be backstabbed by the man I really, really, really hoped would be different.
But, no dice – Trump is a globalist in sheep’s clothing. A better talking Mitt Romney or Mitch McConnell.
Back to doing what Sundance has said for the past four years – build up locally then to state level and then to fed level.
Yes, Trump betrayed us
It’s a terrible day
I have to respectfully disagree. I do not believe Trump is a globalist in your sense of the word. If there is one constant in Trump’s policies and politics it’s ‘America First’, not ‘America Alone’. Illegal immigration must be stopped and reversed. Legal immigration must be limited and made to serve American interests first, last and always.
@Tony Sherfinski, Well we can hope you are correct.
However, I do want to correct one thing you appear to be conflating in your response.
H1B is not immigration.
H1B is just a legalized version of illegal immigration, but for tech workers — to give businesses access to cheaper labor – no different than the building industry using illegals.
But, if someone takes the time to become a legal citizen properly, that is fine. H1B is not that.
I work in the tech industry. Elon and Vivek are lying. There are fine H1B workers and there are absolutely useless ones. We are not getting the top .1% – that is a total lie – we are getting random quality at a cheaper price – and that is the real goal – cheaper price.
If Elon and Vivek are having trouble finding great resources, then they need to raise the price they’re offering and they will find plenty of AMERICAN resources. But, they’d rather go cheaper and bring in non-Americans. That’s the problem – they prefer non-Americans because they are cheaper.
And, the fact that Trump now backs this (contrary to his 2016 and 2020 positions) indicates that his core priorities have inverted or at least changed in the wrong direction.
They are now aligned with Globalist, Multi-National needs, rather than American Citizen needs.
Make Freedom Betrayed Again
Freedom Betrayed: Herbert Hoover’s Secret History of the Second World War and Its Aftermath
“Held within the vault of the Hoover Institution for decades, Freedom Betrayed, presents the former president’s thoughts on America’s involvement in World War II and his reasons for believing that American leadership failed miserably in postwar diplomacy.”
President Trump is NO globalist. He is solidly pro-America and pro-Main Street.
He is NOT pro-Wall Street at the expense of Main Street.
I predict he will work this out to Americans’ ultimate benefit, but he will most likely not exclude H-1B visas altogether. He will probably seek to reduce or eliminate the replacement of Americans in the Tech and other industries for foreigners just to gain cheaper labor costs.
This Platform is what he is going to do. Precisely this. He was elected to do this. He does what he says. There will be some “merit based” immigration based on our needs, not immigrants’ needs in the context of extensive security language. It seems very reasonable.
And it’s COMMON SENSE
“6. Put American workers first.”
pretty clearly Tesla and much of big tech is a huge H1B ponzi scheme
This is Operation Warpspeed 2.0, I expect Trump to embrace and accelerate and give the tech bros EVERYTHING they want
tech/AI is mRNA, Musk is Gates, Sacks is Fauci, Jason is Birx
go deep
https://x.com/amandalouise416/status/1873125345685324208
I don’t think so, they’re trying to steamroll the wrong man.
Sundance is on such a roll it’s amazing (like old Rush during crisis).
I bet President Trump is having some words with the Tech Boys right now.
The article conflates immigration with temporary workers
In the same way that the import of cheap steel and goods, depresses US efforts in those sectors, H1Bs depress US production of skilled workers.
It’s not a good analogy. We’re not bringing in cheap steel, rather we’re attracting highly educated, highly skilled people who want to become Americans and keep their talents here. Is that a bad thing?
What we should be focusing on are the millions of very bad, very illegal aliens, many of them criminals, who need deporting!
Those H1Bs who actually are as capable as the US workers they displace, are in the minority. How about we remove the wage differential that favors those workers by putting the equivalent of a tariff on the H1Bs. Let them compete on equal footing with US workers.
The more I think about this the more I question Vivak’s motives. Why bring this up now before Trump is even in office? It’s like a purposeful undermining of Trump’s supporters. Dividing MAGA from Trump….it has me questioning Trump. He is highly influenced by notable people kissing his ring…his “fatal flaw” you might say….hubris…and he has not responded, seems more worried about losing Musk’s support than his supporters.
Why
Crossfire Hurricane 4: In Crowdstrike We Trust
Stephen Miller the H1B Hater: The Trump pick who might make life hell for Indian techies
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/stephen-miller-the-h1b-hater-the-trump-pick-who-might-make-life-hell-for-indian-techies/articleshow/115262675.cms
Crossfire Hurricane 7: Make Democracy MAGA Again
Stephen Miller just sent a thinly-veiled warning to the America Last tech faction…
https://revolver.news/2024/12/stephen-miller-just-sent-a-thinly-veiled-warning-to-the-america-last-tech-faction/
I found the comment section of the Revolver article very interesting. I learned some things.
Laura Loomer brought this up. She is a professional bomb thrower.
She certainly is – i saw her speak once and all she did was talk about how she was persecuted and canceled so we should buy her book. Me, me, me…$$$
She IS a troll who uses the drama she stirs up to generate attention to herself, but she was also correct in her position on H1-B visas.
Her antics were entirely self-serving but they also exposed a lot that needed to be exposed.
Trump has a choice to make and I’m glad he’s being pushed to make it so soon – seems as though he’s backing the wrong crowd but at least we know now.
He may still come through but he obviously likes his new pals – probably bums him out that he’s in this position but that’s why he was elected (not so he could have his ego stroked even more than it already has been…)
There is a sensible, fair (to all) answer to this conundrum, and our President Donald J. Trump will find it. He is, after all, the author and master of “The Art of The Deal”.
Well perhaps what he needs is a good old fashion BOOING at his next rally. I’d be all in on that.
I AM MAGA. I WAS MAGA 30 YEARS AGO WHEN I SAW MULTINATIONAL CORPORATIONS SELLING OUT AMERICAN WORKERS AND LEAVING DESPAIR AND DESTRUCTION IN IT WAKE.
I DON’T GIVE A F**K ABOUT DONALD J TRUMP, I CARE ABOUT MY FELLOW AMERICANS.
“his ‘fatal flaw’ you might say….hubris”
kudos for offering such an apt and pithy description of armchairs who STILL opine about President Trump by parroting the same opines used for 9+ years by FAKE NEWS employed trainers.
Example?
This variation of the hilariously obvious Anit Trump LIE that PDJT s an easily duped nArCiSsiSt;
“He is highly influenced by notable people kissing his ring”.
As the fearlessly witty anti Establishment attorney, Robert Barnes, advises his listeners, “treat (Regime deployed) accusations as confessions via projection” until vetted research proves otherwise.
“It has me questioning Trump”
As intended. PsyOp target becomes infected then turns into a PsyOp spreader
Btw, noticing the spreaders choice NOT to refer to “Trump” as President Trump or PDJT?
A symptom of Regime Propaganda infection, perchance?
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A response to those that deny the ingenuity and grit of the white male of European decent:
White men are only 6% of the world’s population and the only race in population decline (creating only 3% of the world’s babies), yet are the most industrious and innovative race the world has known. Whites unlocked the secrets of DNA and relativity, launched satellites, created automation, discovered electricity and nuclear energy, invented automobiles, aircraft, submarines, radio, television, computers, medicine, telephones, light bulbs, photography, the internet and countless other technological miracles. Whites were the first to circumnavigate the planet by ship, orbit it by spacecraft, walk on the moon, probe beyond the solar system, climb the highest peaks, reach both poles, exceed the sound barrier, and descend to the oceans depths. The remaining 94% of the world’s population has benefited tremendously from the industry of white men while contributing very little themselves.
Wow, how powerful is that skin color! Amazing!
With a name like Deus vult, your post has played very close to form.
You can’t dispute the truth can you?
What truth? His neurotic version of the truth? Out of all those accomplishments he listed, I wonder how much he did himself.
With all due respect JT, I’m not the one demeaning “American culture” aka white European culture on the internet as justification to flood the country with Indian tech workers. That was Vivek. I offered a defense of my culture and country.
Wether or not any individual personally accomplished anything in history of white achievement does not negate the fact it was all achieved by only white men. Not asians, africans, semites, indigenous, etc.
Here is a thought exercise: if American culture, which was 89% of white European decent until 1970, is so inferior, why have non-European foreigners been banging at America’s gates non-stop for 50 years trying to get in here? Why is American culture the most admired and most copied in the world?
Finally, if your reference to “Deus Vult” is an attempt to ad hominem my argument by implying “Deus Vult” is in anyway associated with white supremecist movements, I suggest you expand your study of history beyond just the achievements of white European cultures because you clearly have significant deficits in other areas as well.
Vivek didn’t demean American culture. Go back and read what he said a few times.
Melanin and Mammon Matter the Mostest, comrade citizens!
Hail Death Cult bro, Marx!
Truth is true.
Or more likey the correlation between Christianity and western civilization, more so than skin color. All the ivy league colleges were started as Christian Universities with a Judeo-Christan worldview. And world view matters.
Almost all inventions, innovations and discoveries came from whites. Without whites, the world would still be as it was hundreds if not thousands of years ago. This is simply an historical fact and not logically debatable.
Agreed Foxtrot. It is indisputable that white innovation raised the standard of living for the entire world by orders of magnitude over what previously existed. Most of the world would still be scratching in the dirt, shitting outside, and hitting each other with rocks for resources if it wasn’t for whites. Anyone who denies this either has an inferiority complex or is an anti-white bigot who refuses the acknowledge human history.
For a fleeting moment in recent history, PERHAPS true, although the term “whites” is a recent Marxist invention which erases
Individuality, cultral exceptionalism, national identity and transcedent spirituality
with materialism
Bottom line, when looking at the entire history of mankind, the notion that those who have the least melanin have made “almost all inventions, innovations and discoveries” is simply NOT an “historical fact” but instead is an emotionally manipulative modern falsehood which preys on their victims understandable pain and fears plus their victims lack of training in how to do dispassionate, logic based critical analysis.
You are straw manning Cozette. Whites being interchangeable with people of European decent or heritage, ie people whose ancestors culturally and geographically come from the continent of Europe, are mostly responsible for significantly improving the standard of living, i.e. the material good, of all cultures currently on the planet. Abundant food and energy are a direct result of white innovation. The ability to plant, farm, harvest, package, and move the food to the mouths of people for their material benefit are directly related to white innovation. In addition to not starving to death, the ability to survive routine infections which would have been fatal but now are survivable is a result of the same innovation. That is to say nothing of the ability to travel, communicate, learn, etc.
If you want to talk Christendom, specifically European Catholicism, you would be extremely hard pressed to deny the material benefit to humanity from the latin church. Christendom, ie European Catholicism, has fed, clothed, and tended the sickness of more people than any institution on earth. Catholics invented the orphanage, the soup kitchen, the university, the and hospital. The western concept of natural law, human rights, the dignity of every person exist because of European Catholicism. And the list of contribution to the material good of the world’s peoples goes on from there.
could we perhaps refine this to…Faithful believers in God were blessed?
perhaps?
art follows form cannot explain this adequately. Given no other society seems to have developed such incredible mastery of massive leaps in development. God was involved. Obviously so.
the skin color was incidental, not the cause…
God Bless America
Elon Musk
@elonmusk
The “contemptible fools” I’m referring to are those in the Republican Party who are hateful, unrepentant racists.
They will absolutely be the downfall of the Republican Party if they are not removed.
xxx
Most members of the Republican Party want fewer H1Bs, not more of them.
That’s a whole lot of Republicans for Musk to remove from the Republican Party, although he is doing a good job of removing as many as he can.
The GOPe, loves the cheap foreign labor.
Most of the dang Republicant’s, are GOPe.
That doesnt square with reality.
Exactly what members are you speaking of? The ones that yap and yap and yap about all of this, but never actually do anything about it?
Who are their donor’s…..
Which GOPe member has done a damn thing about the abuse of H1B’s?
I can answer that for you.
Exactly 0 of them. Talk and talk….and more talk.
They had all three levels before, after 2016’s election. And they did exactly, nada….
Exactly-and nothing substantial will happen this time around except the border will be more effectively closed/managed and there will be some high profile deportations. Our enemies are in the hen house. But we know that.
Republicans want cheap labor. Democrats want cheap votes.
Make Race Caste Again? Pretend Black Better
Kamala Harris on trying to be the first Indian American U.S. Senator
When you are using the “racist” card you are obfuscating the issue. He learned well in his time on the left. FU Elon and the electric go-cart you rode in on. My son deployed on Christmas day. He didn’t do it to preserve the blessings of liberty for Indians.
I have your son and you and family on my prayer list. May God protect your son and may his duty be a honor to God, Family and Country.
Amen
God Bless America
Oh so the South African who fled his homeland plays the race card. There would be nothing wrong if the complaints about H1Bs were race-based (they aren’t), but there would be nothing wrong if they were.
Why should whites agree to be a minority in every country where they are a majority? How’d that work out in SA? Whites were once the majority there and now they are raped and murdered daily with government approval because they are white.
Should non-white countries open their doors so that they become minorities? If not, why not?
That is not true. Whites were never the majority in SA.
❤ Elon and PDJT.
I’m praying for them. And for their allies and supporters.
I’m also praying for the success of their Mission to help Light Hearteds renovate and restore the Republican Party and America.
http://alexshye.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/roller_coaster.jpg
must say…there are days when the treehouse is more like a roller coaster……whew…
have a grand night all
The damage immigration has done to America, both legal and illegal, by depressing American wages and shutting qualified Americans out of American jobs, is undeniable, as is the fact that all of it was by design. It was NOT some unforeseeable consequence. Google Eric Weinstein’s article “Migration for the Benefit of All” from 2002. They did this to us on purpose. They did it for money.
Yep, never seen this many comments or so many new posters. Ever. Its like a tornado swooped in today…lol….
paying attention to the timelines helps a lot.
Not that many are doing it – BUT it does help.
at the end of the day – Do people support Laura Loomis OR President Trump?
No. At the end of the day – Do people support their fellow Americans or blindly follow their “betters”.
“like a (toxic) tornado swooped in today”.
❤ So true.
Fwiw this toxic tornado started on Christmas Day then quickly spread to damage every Trump Favorable online community.
With President Trumps 2nd Inauguration Day just 22 days away, the NWOs PsyWar Storm Season has kicked in. Bigly. 😘
What damage? Vivek and Elon are superfluous to MAGA.
Touchy subject.
T minus 22 DAYS until President Trumps 2nd Inauguration Day.
The most vicious and intense phase, so far, of the NWOs PsyWar to Destroy President Trump was launched on /pol/ on Christmas Day and then was quickly spread so every online Republican/Conservative/Trump MAGA community was affected by PsyOp infecteds.
Coincidence?.
NWO Anti Trump PsyOp Goals:
Distract. Demoralize. Demonize. Divide………DESTROY.
Perhaps before engaging with this PsyOp in any way:
Put on Gods Whole Armor protection then:
OBSERVE (with a sober, truth seekers, detachment).
HELP uplift others and/or counter the PsyOp poison spreaders when possible.
LAUGH Light Heartedly.
PRAY; especially for those who are so PsyOp damaged that they’re currently in an emotionally toxic preying frenzy and for Light Hearted allies who are currently on this PsyWarfare Battle Field.
RESIST taking any doubt, fear, rage and/or hate bait.
RESIST joining the preying frenzy.
❤ to all who try to be semper fi
Maybe we should put this on the back burner for now.this may be a bad program but its legal.in my state Md they have been coming to our eastern shore to pick crabs for 6 months then go back home.Ask yourself if your son or daughter would do that job.Also on the ocean shores in summer it was always our kids would go to work on boardwalks,lifeguards,whatever.not any more.last i heard about this,they were coming from Ireland. get rid of border crosses first,then work to fix this problem.Meanwhile fix our kids to accept any entry job at 18 to see what it is to work with the public.We are a service economy (thank the bushes) we need to get back to something of 1/2 manufacturing 1/2 service. i know no paragraphs also hunt & peck.blame on being 80.took 10 minutes to do this.
Picking crabs pays a whole lot less than Tech jobs in Silicon Valley.
Seasonal migrant farm workers have been picking America’s fragile vegetable & fruit crops in American southern states for more decades than I’ve been alive (7-1/2).
DelMarVa peninsula (espec. MD & VA Eastern shore) seafood workers have traditionally been on the low end of the wage scale; I know most were black Americans for decades up until illegal migrants started coming into the U.S. in large numbers a couple decades back and taking many jobs formerly dominated by the working American poor minorities.
50 years ago we kids picked produce, did farm labor and many other menial tasks.
Ok, great! Before crop-picking mechanization, not every farmer had children to pick his crops, especially when he had a sizable farm.
My son, starting when he was 14, worked part time in the summer for many years even after college for a local farmer harvesting and baling straw, hay, and alfalfa. He enjoyed the physical workout and became good friends with the farmer and his crew. I knew of no other of my son’s friends who did the same.
My JR/Sr year in high school I left at noon to work on farms and packing houses in Central CA.
A few hours away Silicon Valley was blooming, Apple and Microsoft were taking root. Nobody bothered to tell me coding was an option or even explain to me what it was or what possible use a use a computer might be. We were being taught to type on manual machines.
You’re referring to H2B which are the seasonal unskilled laborers. H1B is skilled version of it. Same principle though.
MAGA’s found the ingredients, but do we know how to bake a cake? Most are looking to Master Chef DJT, but some are already throwing up. Take some Dramamine folks. It’s going to be a long and wild ride and the odds are still high we could sink before we get to the destination. Right now we’re living on lots of ideas and catchphrases that have many ramifications. We can’t grasp the level of leadership and unity we’ll need to get to the other side and achieve anything of lasting consequence. I’d suggest ample time in prayer. It’s obvious our commonality of vision is lacking and at this moment DJT isn’t officially any higher on the leadership ladder than any one of us.
DJT isn’t “officially” our leader ie he’s NOT “any higher on the leadership ladder than any of us”.
For 9+ years, DJT == the creator plus leader, guide and protector of his Save America MAGA Project
For 8+ years, DJT == Americas 45th President
After last months history shattering election, DJT == President Elect of the United States
Et tu or any one else ” on the leadership ladder”?
Personally I don’t need to wait for The Regimes DC anointing ceremony to happen before I’ll accept DJT as this Revolutionary Wars General George 2.0 LEADER.
In fact, DJT has already proven to be such a miraculously GREAT LEADER that I agree with those who believe that he was the leader sent by God to be their Save America leader; a leader sent in response to their years of heart felt prayers.
There are a lot of deep state influencers on here trying to split MAGA from Trump.
Use discernment in what you’re reading because they’re looking for a knee jerk emotional reaction.
Loads of the MFRS.
They’ve been waiting for some leverage, and Musk tossed ’em a crowbar.
No “deep state influencer” forced Elon to repeatedly call us “retarded” and make that unhinged rant in Sundance’s screenshot. This mess is 100% Elon’s fault. Enough with the gaslighting.
There are a lot of people here looking for clarification from Trump because of what his (self-positioned but readily accepted) surrogates have said.
Is Trump America First, or is he not? Is he bought and paid for or is he working for those who voted him in?
We’ll see…
See Trump interview with Megyn Kelly March 3, 2016 regarding this very issue. Trump HAS spoken.
Trump split it all by himself
doing a good job of it, IMO
I agree. It’s astonishing how many former adversaries Trump has brought into the MAGA fold, Elon, Bobby, JD, Vivak, Tulsi and a host of others. This newer, big tent MAGA has great potential but it’s going to have some growing pains.
I’ve been reading a lot of anti-Elon stuff on the comments for this post. To those who are questioning if Musk has been a blessing for America, let me ask:
Would you rather have Twitter continuing to be the globalist tool of the CIA?
Would you rather depend on Boeing to retrieve our stranded astronauts or Space X?
Would you rather have FEMA or Starlink opening lines of communication for hurricane-ravaged North Carolinians?
I’m so glad this BLEW UP after the election.
Yes it’s a big problem, but there are many who wouldn’t have voted for Trump if they knew this was going to be a problem that needed resolving.
A handful of Visas for the real best and brightest, not everyone willing to take crap pay to get into the USA.
Hey Elon were do you think all those federal workers who are going to be cut should go? Maybe they could learn to code!
Make the current H1Bs train them at their jobs the same cruel way Americans were forced to train our foreign replacements.
Good idea, but since we can’t understand them it might be easier to watch some You Tube videos.
Reminds me of the movie Outsource. Except they are now coming here.
I remember that – making the outsourcing into a fun rom-com… yay!
Peter Thiel and Elon Musk were co-executive producers on this movie:
I am preparing to be disappointed on immigration. This is what I expect: no meaningful reform on student visa activity, HB1, birth right citizenship scams. No major illegals deportation. I think the border will be more effectively sealed. I think there will be some high profile deportations of criminals and others <100,000. I think Congress will use a few sob stories to pass pathway to citizenship legislation for certain classes who have been here a long time. I think the vast number of illegals dumped here over the past 4 years will remain unless they self deport.
Sad to say,this is exactly what I think…
Is an I guess the same as an “I think” sans vetted research, dispassionate logic based critical analysis and years of pondering?
Perhaps these “I think” guesses are more usefully viewed as an informal Rohrshach Ink Blot Test which can reveal some of the subconscious filters one is using when engaging with the outside of self world?
I love Katie Hopkins
https://x.com/i/status/1873035652792762843
Thanks for the link. I think she’s right.
My reply on X to Miss Hopkins –
Sorry Katie. You’ve obviously never been forced to train a foreigner (here on H-1B visa) to do your job so that they could do it for 1/2 (or 1/3) the $ amount that you had hard-earned over many years and so that you could then be terminated and made jobless in order to boost the company profits for its top officers and majority shareholders.
You don’t have a dog in this hunt Katie so STFU.
And I mean every word of it. Those who’ve never been humiliated then fired for the crime of being paid too much money when foreign labor is hired to do it for a fraction of your salary – yet YOU HAVE TO TRAIN THEM – are the ones arguing against this inner MAGA problem..
When you’re arguing to bring in foreign labor to replace American labor simply to save salary & benefits dollars then you aren’t really on the MAGA team. You’re a globalist, plain and simple.
She’s great. Good points. But the words of the old Who song keep going through my head. “We won’t be fooled again. “
This issue can be easily resolved.
Get rid of 40 million illegal invaders first then deal with the importation of cheap labor.
EXCELLENT!!!
A lot of that cheap H1B labor committed visa fraud to get here. We need to deal with the fraudsters, too.
I will be patient for January 20th. After, I expect to see movements to that end without delay.
Agree. The cost of less than a million H-1B legal immigrants per year pales in comparison to the billions and billions spent on the millions of illegals…..never mind the services the illegals steal from Americans who are legally entitled to these services.
“cheap labor” ==
ONE motivation.
The only one?
Obviously, no.
One xample of a non malevolent motivation ==
President Trump and the people he employees at Mar a Lago.
So let me get this right…
President Trump took a bullet so Elon could get cheap labor from a Mumbai slum?
Woo lads DID NOT see that coming!
No, probably from the ruling Brahmin caste where Kamala’s family came from.
And Vivek’s
What?
“Woo lads, I DID NOT see that coming”.
A lad who claims to lack self awareness couldn’t predict their boyish reaction to the NWOs latest Destroy President Trump and his NWO threatening coalition would be to……
Invent a fantasy made up of formulaic /pol/ emotionally manipulative word bait?
My reaction?
” Woo lads, I DID..see that coming”
Thanks to spending 9+ years hanging out on /pol/ each day.
Starlink software openings at SpaceX. Salary ranges included. Admittedly many on west coast.
https://www.spacex.com/careers/jobs?program=starlink&discipline=engineering%2520-%2520software%2520%2526%2520analytics
For example…
Sr. Software Engineer (Computational Geometry)
Hawthorne, CA
Software Engineer/Senior: $160,000.00 – $220,000.00/per year
H-1B going to do that well? Will they get that rate?
A few items you left off, as they’re essentially indentured servants until they get their Green Card.
Thanks for posting that. There is a dearth of STEM talent in America, no two ways about it. Businesses need them. A lot of “gut reaction” style commenters don’t understand the reality of today’s landscape.
Not true
And I have family who work in STEM field.
This is GOPe sounding garbage.
OR ….A lot of “gut reaction” style commenters” ACTUALLY DO “understand the reality of today’s landscape” but also know EXACTLY WHY it’s the current reality.
It’s NOT American culture, it’s the LEFTWING / marxist infiltrators in American education and in the federal and state governments AND legacy Media who lied about it and this helped those Leftists covertly infiltrate unobstructed.
I think most of us understand that there is a shortage. What we object to is rejecting qualified American workers who want market wage in favor of foreigners who undercut wages ,lie about their qualifications, and don’t speak English.
SpaceX is looking for about two dozen quality software engineers. They are willing to pay up to $170k. That’s not market wage?
They’ll pay the company that brought them here that much… but the worker only gets a fraction of it. Massive scam.
Another H1B benefit for Big Tech:
H1B employees and their employers ARE EXEMPT FROM PAYING Social Security and Medicare payroll taxes.
§ 31.3121(b)(19)-1 Services of certain nonresident aliens.
For purposes of this section an alien individual who is temporarily present in the United States as a nonimmigrant under such subparagraph (F) or (J) is deemed to be a nonresident alien individual.
Never seen this many comments on any topic, ever, at CTH.
I can assure you all, this is exactly what the left wants to see. Everyone at each others throats over their different opinions of H1B. There are so many comments doing exactly that here, I wondered if I came to the wrong place today. The current discourse is way off what normally transpires. There are so many new posters and names, it raises my suspicions.
I see it in simple terms, as there are so many different pieces of this legislation.
Everyone has their opinions. Everyone is angry or not. Everyone is lashing out.
My take on it is this. Wait until PDJT is seated, and take a dang breath, and let it play out. Everyone tearing each other up over all this, on one side or the other, just plays into the hand of the Globalist/Marxist/Enemedia/Education complexes.
Shutting legal immigration completely down, is never going to happen. No matter how mad or how much screaming is done, it will just never be a thing that comes to fruition. America was built on legal immigration. I dont think anyone, doesnt know this. No one is going to completely block this. PDJT certainly wont, because it is unattainable, and pretty much impossible, given the birth rates of American citizens. That is a whole other debate, of how we got here, and who is to blame for the high cost of living. But in this case, it is what it is. There will never be a steel impregnable wall to stop legal immigration. It is not sustainable, and never has been. All the purists dont seem to understand that part.
Illegal immigration is entirely a different matter.
There is a lot more to say, but there are good arguments on both sides for immigration, done legally.
Everyone just calm the heck down and just be happy, that PDJT won the dang election, and that it ISNT The Ho and her Communist pals running things. Take the win and sit down for the ride. Stop fighting with each other. It makes the3 left smile to see everyone doing this! Ill take PDJT’s win, and understand it is best for the whole world, that he won.
This is 1 issue, out of thousands that need to be addressed. Let the f’n guy get in first, then see what happens. American certainly had a lot to lose if the Demorats won. And thank God, they didnt.
Now have a drink, a smoke, a walk, something, calm down thew rhetoric and hate towards others who dont agree, on both sides.
I swore I walked into a hurricane here today. Everyone is so offside about this stuff. SMH….
I find all of this interesting. Good to see everyone share their perspective, whether that is fueled by actual knowledge of the subject, or in most cases, not.
Just so….I interviewed recent grads from those stinkin ivy league madrassas. Every one of them wanted a corner office, fly first class, yearly sabbatical, and….founders stock. So I understand the argument…..I just the timing of this discussion. ‘Almost like it was planned to have this effect.
who is else is sick of being told to shut up and take it while Elon and Vivek call us “retarded,” tell us Americans are too stupid and lazy to employable, and then angrily curse in unhinged rants? We are not peasants who have to quietly listen and nod in agreement as they hurl abuse at us. We are allowed to defend ourselves and our country. As Sundance as told us many times, now is not the time for delicate sensibilities.
For those who are genuinely confused by the passionate anti-H1B reaction, it’s because the pain Americans feel on this issue is deep and far-reaching. Almost everyone has either lost a job to H1B, dodged a H1B job loss like a bullet, or knows someone else who has. Instead of acknowledging the decades of pain and systemic discrimination that led to this point, Elon and Vivek chose insults. And you know what? You’re not helping here, either, smugly telling Americans to calm down over their own discrimination.
We voted for America First. We expect America First. Elon and Vivek WORK FOR US, not the other way around, and we expect them to act like it.
Well said.
Yes.
So an opinion that differs from yours, gives you the sads.
Alright then.
You keep on being mad.
This is what your enemies want. Good for you.
I suspect it doesnt take much to get you sad…or mad.
Man up.
Totally agree. The deep state, Democrats and the Left are loving MAGA voters chewing each other up and creating divisiveness over Elon Musk and Ramaswamy.
That was their plan all along and everyone here fell for it.
Yeh, just look at all the new names and their level of sad/mad/argumentative BS….
Its almost as if……
Meh, never mind, its obvious…
They can fight, stamp their feet, name call, post in caps, and carry on. Whenever you post something that doesnt call for locking the whole country up, no one in, and everyone out…they have a tantrum.
Let them, because IDGAF.
I trust President Trump to do the right thing.
These people I guess, would prefer the Communist Demorats…* shrug *…beats me….
90% are on the same side of the issue. Nothing to fall for.
No.
May be you’re new to politics in America but this “chill out, calm down”, let the process run out” IS EXACTLY the formula the UNIPARTY has been using on us for decades now. It is NOT time to chill out, it’s time to SHOUT OUT!!!
“Give em an inch and they take a mile”.
MAGA IS DONE GIVING INCHES.
Im new to politics? Huh…
Ok.
I suppose we would be better off with the Communists in charge?
Your rage posting and capping, the real super duper important stuff, doesnt move my needle.
Take your case to the new President.
Wrong guy. IDGAF about your opinion.
Last time I checked, PDJT isnt a member of the UniParty….
We paused immigration for 40 years in the 20th century because we weren’t assimilating immigrants fast enough. It can and should be done.
I find it amazing how many Americans want their children an grandchildren to be minorities in their own country (although that is a given at this point as the majority of kids under 15 are non-white), or worse still a nation that is muslim or pagan majority. How do you think your children will do? See Zimbabwe, South Africa, Christians in the Middle East, etc.
Re-read what I said. Reading comprehension is important.
I dont recall saying what you are implying.
But nice rhetoric.
You and the other sad/madders can keep trying to light that fuse.
The leftists and enemy’s love to see y’all arguing.
If you are trying that BS with me, good luck. 😉
Exactly happening here tonite! Spot on.
Seems like everyone’s pretty much on the same side of the issue here today.
Donald Trump is past due for a “Sister Souljah moment”.
The term came into being when Bill Clinton very much distanced himself from otherwise allies Jessie Jackson and Sister Souljah for their untempered and hateful views. Even though they were largely supporters of his, he rejected and even denounced them. It was the smart thing to do.
Donald Trump needs to have – call it – a “Brother Elon (Vivek) moment”. His Presidency may depend on it.
Yeah, like don’t tell the American people to go f^ck themselves.
Fortunately for the “Trump needs to” I-Know-Better Sisters
President Trump has now publicly sided with his Coalition of MAGA Bros.
Why fortunately?
They’ve been given another opportunity to wake up, savvy up and realize they definitely do NOT Know-Better than PDJT.
Which is why the reaction to political news, “OMG Trump was right, AGAIN!” is so common that its now world famous.
❤
It’s almost if so many people here didn’t even read Sundance’s, well thought out, 2 suggestions at the end? I guess flipping out and running off at the mouth like your hair is on fire is so much more satisfying? Let’s throw President Trump under the bus and not trust him to come up with viable solutions because that just wastes our valuable time and what has he done for us in the last week???
Exactly.
Art of the Deal.
How is expecting clarification from Trump throwing him under the bus?
Also – it’s not just about Trump but about who he associates with and includes in the administration.
After what Elon and Vivek said (and how they said it) i don’t want them anywhere near important decisions.
If they don’t have faith in US citizens they’ll suck at MAGA, and I’m tired of these types talking down to people who haven’t gamed the system as they have.
Musk’s words suggest that he thinks he’s single-handedly built America when everything he’s done is extraneous to a productive and healty society/culture.
It may be neat but it’s by no means necessary.
They can screw off to some other country as far as I’m concerned.
People are throwing President Trump under the bus BEFORE he has a chance to refute, at length, these ridiculous accusations of him putting anyone but Americans first.
“They can screw off to some other country”
So can President Trump and all of his Coalition of Allies who have the intelligence, experiencec, skills, resources plus courage to successfully take on, and ultimately defeat, the NWO schemes.
I-Know-Betters actually don’t. Nor will these I-Know-Betters who dont, be able to avoid their fate by screwing “off to some other country” refuge that doesn’t actually exist.
Well said!
If you see Kay……. Ellen Musk
Respectfully, much of the MAGA right points have been acknowledged as an issue by the Si Valley crowd and there is a general consensus (Vivek has come out against the abuses publicly and very forcefully) on a need for reform. It can be simultaneously true that the part of H1B system that is manipulated and abused needs to be reformed or eliminated and the part that is needed to keep the option to fill critical gaps as they arise with foreign born talent until the domestic supply catches up. It behooves on both the individuals to train and equip themselves to be competitive, and for the system- the laws, the immigration enforcement, and the hiring/compensation policies of the organizations to use this importation as the last resort.
Instead, we got attacks on India and Indians, including some comments from SD. For the record, There are 5.4M
Indians living in the US, which is less than 2% of the overall population. Nearly all of them immigrated legally waiting in line and following the law. Last year alone, they paid $85B in income taxes and contributed nearly $420B to the national GDP, that’s roughly 36k per household. This community has contributed nearly 8-10T to the US GDP since 1990. Some way to malign the most successful and productive segment of the population!
Why can’t we focus instead on promoting competition and hiring based on merit (remove DEI), raise the kids to want to pursue science and technology careers, promote meritocracy in admissions and promotions, and force our legislators to make it illegal to manipulate legal immigration system and build national competitiveness?
And where does legal immigration fit within the list of priorities that must bring results before 2026?
And why all this kerfuffle NOW when we are dealing with 30M
Illegals, rampant deep state, near-bankrupt country and a razor thin majority in the House and an almost entirely RINO Senate?
It’s always easy to get carried away and lose sight of the prize but if MAGA is to repeat its 2024 success it will need the passion of its base and the coalition of the similarly aligned interests who may have slightly different goals which eventually add to Making America (prosperous, strong, wealthy, safe, great) Again
Speaking of DEI. You know who was helped by DEI? Indians. Theyve been running this scam all over the Western World. They are in positions of leadership all over the Western world.
We almost chose btwn 2 Indian women for president. Haley and Kamala. We’re just so lucky to have these super geniuses in our politics. Indians! Can’t get enough of them.
You may not be aware but along with whites, Asians are the most discriminated against class when it comes to admissions to engineering and medical schools or pretty much all STEM programs. There was even a court case they won in Trump’s SCOTUS without any change. The universities are still discriminating in other way. Asians have more in common with whites than you may realize. Anyhow, no one is arguing against fixing a broken system, nor putting Americans first and empowering and training everyone the right way. Tech MAGA has a lot of blame to carry since they have been absent in training up the American worker except token gestures. This is everyone’s problem. Tech MAGA also will have future generations and will also be subject to the same issues.
Took the NWOs new hate pajeets PsyOp bait?
Idle curiosity questions:
Does hate jo*os or Palestinians PsyOp bait still work too, or is that hate bait now stale?
How about hate whites or blacks bait?
Or hate men or women bait?
Intoxicate with fear, rage and HATE. Divide……DESTROY…….Conquer. Impose the NWO Solution.
H eil Hegel PsyOps.
Just another day in the NWOs PsyWar attempts to destroy President Trump and his most NWO threatening allies so they can then remove resistance remnants and finish destroying America
NWO PsyWar goals:
DESTROY President Trumps allies and the coalitions he needs in order for his Save America Mission to succeed.
DESTROY President Trump.
DESTROY Ameerica.
NWO PsyOp goals:
Distract. Emotionally poison and intoxicate. Demonize. Demoralize. Divide…….. DESTROY.
As the computer in “WarGames” famously said after realizing that the games ultimate goal was humanity’s total destruction, “the only winning move is to NOT play the game”.
The computer then suggested an alternative game; ” a nice game of chess”.
While I’m not advocating that alternative, I am prayerfully advocating for people to wake up and wise up enough to be guided by Light Hearted PDJT rather than continuing to play the NWO DEATH Cults PsyWar Games.
So, America first until big tech donates a bunch of money. Trump is/has become just another run of the mill politician at this point, make grandiose promises during a campaign, get elected, and then betray his base. Instead of providing clarity and calming the pitchforks, he gives a phone interview that only stoked the flames. I would have accepted him saying that he wants reform on H1B so fraud is reduced, re-iterating that American’s get priority but the labor force still needs workers so H1B’s are necessary. However he did none of that, he just said he supports them and utilizes them. It’s hard not be deflated at this point and he hasn’t even take office yet. He keeps this up and he really will only get 2 years to do anything if anything gets done at all before a midterms bloodbath
All he has done is lent credence to those on the left that say he is bought and paid for.
Take a step back, it’s not that serious.
Too much time on Reddit tier PsyOp sites, perchance
A Light Hearted suggestion:
Please return to a Reddit Quarantine Zone until no longer infected and returning to reality connected sentience has started.
Best wishes. Get well soon. 😘
Hello all! I hope you had a blessed Christmas and will have a Happy New Year!
former high tech professional here (whole career, 5 big companies you know) –
1). Everyone is right to be concerned about H1B visas. I’ve posted here before regarding mine and others experiences.
2). Bill Gates has been the biggest advocate for expansion of these (flag)
3). A Chinese wealthy professional (owned an outsourced mfg. facility for a major American designer brand) told me “Americans innovate. They are entrepreneurial. China and India only copy.”
4) When I joined “high tech”, there was no such moniker! None had experience or expertise. (No age jokes please haha). But we all were determined to learn. It was exciting and brought people together. We all had to be what my boss called “Swiss army knives”, able to learn and adapt quickly (tech changes overnight).
5) on March 3, 2016 in an interview with Megyn Kelly, President Trump made his opinion known on these Visas so we don’t have to guess.
6). God chooses our rulers, not luck, a fluke nor fate. Dan 2:21
To your point (3). One of the very first cases I had for biglaw was a patent and copyright case against an asian company. It was before I knew anything at all about globalism, etc. The claim was that the defendant had fully copied not only the machinery at issue, but also the product manual. I was assigned to address the copyright part of the claim. I remember reading that manual page by page and it was copied pretty close to verbatim, including drawings. I went to a meeting with the plaintiff in Chicago and presented my defense. When I was done, plaintiff’s lawyer said, I heard what you did say, but what you didn’t say is that your client didn’t copy. He was right and it stuck with me to this day, obviously. I have thought of that case many times since then, and what I did not know or see coming at the time. I regret ever having represented that client.
As Dr. Norman Matloff from UC Davis has noted, the H1B Visa facilitates age discrimination.
1. Lower wages
2. Lower health care costs
3. H1B Visa holders can’t move companies until they get their Green Card (indentured servants)
4. So they’re essentially held captive for 4-5-6 years
5. Others here claim that the Visa holders and companies don’t have to pay SS and Medicare taxes
6. A friend in IT 20 years ago snuck into online HR files after his Visa was purposefully delayed, and said his estimate was that H1B Visa holders were underpaid by 30% (he was from Germang and worked in consulting)
7. The job instability in IT partly caused by H1B Visa holders causes some women to pursue other careers as they value stability- but this works against the diversity mantra
Well it seems President Trump is OK with the H-1b visa scheme. He uses it in many of his properties.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/12/trump-expresses-support-h-1b-visa-worker-program/
So it cannot really come out wildly against the scheme, if he uses it. Maybe the idea will be to review it and close off some of the loop holes etc.
America first-ish!
“Well it SEEMS”
The SAME WAY it seemed 9+ years ago when DJT first started his Presidential Campaign and began drawing public attention to the huge problems with our current Immigration policies and laws?
Remember the old warning adage, “looks can be deceiving”?
Try getting a DUNKIN DONUTS franchise if you’re not Indian!
LOL! That illegal scam has been running since 1978 at least and not one Federal or state agency has done anything about it. Why? Well, it discriminates against White Christian males and that’s perfectly legal in a nation founded and built by White Christian males!
Nobody cares until it effects them personally. Just like illegals.
Caring =/= solving.
In fact, when solving a problem, like immigration, becomes a very real possiblity, NWO PsyOp exploiting caring in order to prevent those solutions from happening.
Hence what’s currently happening.
A NWO planned, deployed and hyped psyop happening which Sundance describes in this title as “highly toxic”.
NWO PsyOps intentionally try to prevent logical analysis of any problem, including immigration which prevents meaningful discussions from happeningthat lead to the implementation meaningful solutions.
An example of tempting, emotionally manipulative, logic impairing NWO PsyOp immigration bait is narrowly focusing on white, male and Christian NWO hate and/or ignoring the huge legal, especially over the past 4 years, Team Trump have already had which will allow them to quickly destroy the NWOs recently constructed (since the 1970s) hate full systems
As intended by the NWO PsyOp deployers.
Fwiw….
Once deployed, these NWO PsyOps are designed to believed and spread by people who don’t realize they’re inadvertently aiding those who hate them and are scheming to literally destroy the.
What happened to the jovial Billionaire leaping into the air on stage ? His tweet above seems like the response of a short tempered threatening bully and not the calm, well meaning “super genius” Trump supporter. How many H1b immigrants does he want to admit?
GP reports that “While tech Billionaire and upcoming DOGE director Elon Musk was battling part of the MAGA base over the validity and need for H-B1 Visas, he was also causing waves on the other side of the Ocean, where his opinions and endorsements are causing real-life repercussions.” (Musk has made significant investments in the Germany’s industrial and technological industries….so he feels he has earned the right to speak his mind.)
“’The AfD is committed to a controlled immigration policy that prioritizes integration and the preservation of German culture and security’, he wrote, adding: ‘This is not about xenophobia, but about ensuring that Germany does not lose its identity in the pursuit of globalization. A nation must preserve its core values and cultural heritage in order to remain strong and united’.”
The opinion editor at ‘conservative’ newspaper Die Welt resigned or was fired after the Musk article was published.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/12/opinion-editor-conservative-german-newspaper-die-welt-resigns/
Apparently don’t know Elon.
Or DJT.
At all.
Which could explain any surprised reactions when glimpses of glorious reality compete with cartoon comfy, Screen World fantasies
Trump supports immigration visas backed by Musk
https://nypost.com/2024/12/28/us-news/donald-trump-backs-h-1b-visa-program-supported-by-elon-musk/
Trump has made a bad mistake. His buddies crapped all over his MAGA base.
“Trump made A bad mistake”.
Source: another I-Know-Better auditioning for a job on MSNBC?
Bottom line, thanks for the Light Hearted giggle and inspiration to say gets wells soon prayers. 😘
The New Woke Order may need the Ministry of Love to obtain identity-cohesion.
Saved By The Bell and the H-1B Debate
Charlie Kirk is a DORK! Mark Dice is so right about him and his grift! 🥴
Noticing the choice to REACT by PREYING on those deemed to be imperfect allies rather than by PRAYING for them?
6-Year-Old Girl Unresponsive Months After Car Crash Caused By Trump Would-be Assassin Ryan Routh
https://www.oann.com/newsroom/6-year-old-girl-unresponsive-months-after-car-crash-caused-by-trump-would-be-assassin-ryan-routh/
The vast majority of the H1B people already here and the ones on the way cannot code themselves out of a paper bag. Most have little grasp / understanding of what a programming syntax concept actually means and the errors that have to be fixed are astronomical. Throwing good money after bad is not going to fix anything.
Scour the IT programs here to find good programmers. Anyone can code, not everyone can program; there is a huge difference.
Great News!!!
These problems are already understood.
Effective short term AND long term, multi front solutions are already included.
Fine tuning is happening now because now everyone’s engaged and talking with each other.
We really don’t know what Elon’s family life was like in 3rd world country.
Elon snapped for some reason, and I’m sure he has habit of doing this type behaviour from time to time.
Trump should keep silent and not discuss it was other people around Trump, because I’m sure Elon will be looking for Trump to bad mouth him.
Elon had a TEMPER Trantrum. Elon was on a high the last couple of months, and he was accepted and loved, … and Elon could be testing Trump … so Trump has to pray and mediate a lot before reacting to Elon, … over time Trump will intuitively figure out the right way to deal with this. Maybe have “man to man” conversation with Elon in private. If the 2 men can’t agree , they go their seperate ways.
What do you guys think? I’m proud of Trumps composure!
President Trump Rocks!
I’m sure he’s hanging back a bit, and that’s reasonable, but I do think that the response he did give suggests that he’s trying to walk between two extremes and satisfy both of them.
I don’t see that as possible in this case. There are too many foreigners here and we don’t need them for anything.
They should stay home and flaunt their supposed expertise among themselves and not burden us any further.
President Trump is siding with people who want, like he has for 9+ YEARS, a drastic over haul of our current corrupt and ultimately destructive immigration system; people like Elon.
President Trump is NOT siding with extremists who are demanding that NO LEGAL IMMIGRATION should be allowed.
Any extremists pushing for NO LEGAL IMMIGRATION who also claims to be a supporter of President Trump and his 9+ year old pro legal immigration MAGA plan will hopefully check themselves before they wreck themselves, with or without PDJTs help.
Especially Sloppy Steve B.
OMG Elon did mean tweets like mean tweeting Daddy T?
Golly gee whiz.
It might be time to pass out the smelling salts and pull out the fainting couches, again. 😘
Another thoughtful, well-reasoned analysis from Sundance. President Trump would benefit from having you as an advisor, Sundance. Thank you 🤗
President-elect Trump has just weighed in in favor of Musk, Ramaswamy and Sacks sympathetic view of the H-1B visa program…which is not a surprise to me.
Despite the legacy media’s portrayal of him, Trump has never been anti-immigration, with the double caveat that the immigrant be here legally and that he/she be highly skilled and/or possess considerable assets that he/she plans to invest in the U.S. economy.
My own view is that the H-1B needs to be reformed, not eliminated.
It’s hard to argue against a program that allowed Musk to immigrate to America or that his presence here has been anything but a blessing for our country, both in terms of technology advances and in the promotion of free speech.
It think any discuss of whether H-1B is good for the American people has to include a discussion of what is an American?
My son-in-law is another of those highly skilled immigrants from India, who came here legally, (though I don’t think it was through H-1B), and is now an American citizen. He is an engineer specializing in making software systems operational, and works extremely hard to provide for my daughter, (who also works), and granddaughters.
We have millions, maybe tens of millions, of very bad and very illegal immigrants in this country that need deporting. Shouldn’t that be the focus of our attention and efforts before addressing H-1B?
I don’t consider Musk’s presence here most of the time. And when I do I don’t necessarily consider him a blessing.
Would you rather have Twitter continuing to be the globalist tool of the CIA?
Would you rather depend on Boeing to retrieve our stranded astronauts or Space X?
Would you rather have FEMA or Starlink opening lines of communication for hurricane-ravaged North Carolinians?
Wouldn’t consider Soon to be ” a blessing”
Hearts still in The Dark, as Christ pointed out, are unable to truly see despite having eyes. Consequently they fail to recognize the countless blessing He keeps giving them.
Kubrick famously referred to this phenomenon as being “Eyes Wide Shut” blind.
To improve ones vision and hearing which will improve ones thought, words and deeds Christ said to open ones Heart and allow His Light in….
from my lived experience and the experience of countless others over the years since He gave this advice, letting His Light in is never ending process but it definitely does dispel The Darkness which immediately starts to mprove everything else.
Bottom line, conveying His, and my own, best wishes to all.
I find the idea of a nice Christian, Hispanic family here illegally doing landscaping far less concerning than massive chain migration of pagans and muslims that actively discriminate against whites, blacks and Christians.
With all due respect, I don’t want either of what you describe. If that nice Christian, Hispanic family is here illegally they are breaking federal law and must be deported!
WTH Trump
https://www.breitbart.com/t/assets/html/disqus-57.html?udca=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.breitbart.com%2Fpolitics%2F2024%2F12%2F28%2Fpresident-elect-donald-trump-i-have-always-been-in-favor-of-h-1b-visas%2F%7C28858674%7CPresident-Elect%20Donald%20Trump%3A%20%26%238216%3BI%20Have%20Always%20Been%20in%20Favor%26%238217%3B%20of%20H-1B%20Visas%7C
“WTH Trump”
Noticing the punctuation choices?
Noticing the lack of a question mark?
Anti Trump OUTRAGE BAIT offfered. On BB. Rage bait taken. Rage bait now offered to CTH visitors
Will the rage bait taken by anyone here?
An important truth I’ve learned over the years: when someone has a strong, reasoned basis for a position, they state it reasonably. Elon’s astonishingly immature personal attack and threat make it clear that he does not have a reasonable basis for his position on H-1B visas. This does not speak well of his personal character either.
You’re Sending Another $1.25Bn to Ukraine, By The Way
https://thenationalpulse.com/2024/12/27/youre-sending-another-1-25bn-to-ukraine-by-the-way/
Discrimination Of White Workers In US, aka DEI By The Numbers!!!
Corporate America Promised to Hire a Lot More People of Color. It Actually Did.
The year after Black Lives Matter protests, the S&P 100 added more than 300,000 jobs – 94% went to people of color.
Published: 09/26/2023
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2023-black-lives-matter-equal-opportunity-corporate-diversity/
FH1B Visas
(Elon Musk, and Vivek Ramaswamy have betrayed the MAGA movement, as well as, NEVER FULLY SUPPORTED IT.)
Vivek Ramaswamy’s slur on American culture makes it clear he is just as despicable as Hillary “deplorables” Clinton and Joe “garbage” Biden. He has let the mask slip, and shown he actually hates America. He just wants giant tech firms to be able to exploit foreign workers, keep wages low for American workers, and put more billions into the pockets of our tech overlords. President Trump needs to throw him overboard without delay.
Want to know something else? For a time, Musk and his brother were here, as immigrants… _illegally_. He lied about having been here on an H1B. I posted the video which goes over this. Check it out (yes, I know… it’s by Democrats with TDS, but that doesn’t mean they’re wrong about everything).
It would be great to deport him.
Do you think he would take it like a man, or scream and become unhinged as they loaded him on the catapult? LOL
All of defenders crying about “division” need to read the above comment multiple times. Elon and Vivek gravely insulted us. We are not peasants who have to quietly sit there and endure these insults. We are allowed to defend ourselves and our Country.
Musk is in BIG trouble…
The takeaway from that is that Elon committed immigration fraud, since he was here illegally for a time. This would have huge consequences, given that he has security clearances and loves Putin so much (and God only knows who else).
So we have an illegal alien who lied at least twice and told us to F off. Trump had better dump this a-hat, and fast. Because if he doesn’t, you can bet that the Democrats WILL investigate Musk _and_ Trump, all over again, in another Russian conspiracy witch hunt.
When I left my job I knew what Custer felt like, I was surrounded by Indians on all sides. How….wampum or should I say rupee?