The Silicon Valley immigration priority was not the topic I thought would explode and fracture the tenuous MAGA alignment with the New Big Tech group represented by Elon Musk and his billionaire network. However, we learn more every day.
This is a jaw-dropping moment to watch unfold as a very influential sector of the political discourse begins a full-frontal attack against those who are pointing out how the tech community abuse H1B visas to replace American workers. In the background, of course, is the context of widespread immigration policy fraud being one of the priorities for the average Trump supporter.
The Silicon Valley team do not seem to review discussion of the H1B manipulation/fraud within the larger American economy as a problem, as long as the discussion of the visa fraud does not impact their business models. However, as soon as the H1B abuse started to be framed around Silicon Valley’s participation therein, the New Big Tech group take a nuclear war approach to defending their interests.
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Having followed the immigration issue for a long time, yet specifically only having a big picture review of the H1B visa issues, it has been astounding to watch how Elon Musk, Vivek Ramaswamy, David Sacks and the Silicon Valley supporters and influencers are responding to having the H1B visa fraud confronted. The self-interest in their defense is just astronomical to watch unfold.
Empowered by what can only be reasonably defined as their perceived influence over President Trump, the new-era Tech team are quite forcefully telling the MAGA base of Trump-supporting American workers that their concerns, views and perspectives are irrelevant.
It appears that most of the explosive sentiments revolve around H1B visas in the tech sector issued to Indian workers specifically. Apparently, the friendships, networks and teams attached to the sector of computer engineering carry with them an emotional component. I guess that should not be a surprise considering this is essentially a peer-to-peer wagon circling, in defense of the H1B visa problems in the tech sector.
As said before, it always appeared the MAGA alignment with Silicon Valley would not be an issue until the interests of the billionaire tech team came into conflict with the MAGA base. I did not anticipate the fracture being so fast, nor did I anticipate immigration would be the trigger. However, H1B visa issuance is apparently a key part of the Silicon Valley business model.
That said, several pragmatic aspects of the discussion are now being lost amid a very toxic shouting match that has begun. President Trump and JD Vance are, perhaps understandably, staying very quiet at the moment. However, that silence is soon to be impossible as both sides of a very divisive issue are going to eventually demand President Trump to weigh in.
I will try to cut through some of the toxic noise so that we can discuss the larger issues.
Theo Wold provides some context:
“I led the drafting of legislation in the Trump ‘45 White House to create a new legal immigration framework. I saw firsthand what happens when ANY visa reform is proposed: executives from the biggest multinationals and lobbyists from all kinds of industries are banging on the door, demanding to keep what they have.
What they have is a tangled morass of visa classes that are carve-outs, handouts, and special favors to particular industries, bought and paid for through decades of lobbying feckless members of Congress and presidential administrations. Industries lobby for the foreign workers they claim to “need,” and then they get a visa class carve-out, which they protect (and seek to expand) at all costs.
And there are enormous costs for our nation – costs that fall on the American worker with devastating consequences. The statistics bear that out: job gains go to foreign-born workers while American workers post net job losses.
I also know this firsthand because I grew up a working-class kid, watching my father (and by extension, our family) suffer from unfair foreign labor competition.
For too long, Americans have been largely unaware of the source of these problems because the policies are designed to be too complicated and are made largely invisible to public scrutiny. I’m glad the right is having an open debate about legal immigration. It is past time.
To be clear, the difference between O1Bs and H1Bs matters in this debate, for example, because these visas are intended to accomplish very different goals and are entirely different in scale, BUT both visa classes are rife with abuse. (Plenty of Reggaeton stars and anti-American athletes enter the U.S. on O-1 visas.) Essentially ALL visa classes are abused. Again, that’s because these things exist to serve special interests on one side of the labor market (and it’s not the side of the American worker).
The debate can’t be confined to a single industry – it’s about Big Tech, Big Ag, tourism and hospitality, transportation (airlines, trucking), the media & sports entertainment complex (yes, the NFL and MLB have their own special visa classes and their own special treatment by DHS and State) and many many others. They all want special visas to import cheap and convenient foreign labor. Even the roofing industry is now seeking its own special visa class. And all of these special classes get expanded over time, allowing the American worker to be flooded with foreign competitors for no reason other than labor savings for employers.
I, like many Americans, voted for a sealed border and an immigration moratorium. Americans need to retake control of our immigration system — how many are coming in, for what reasons, and for how long. One question absent from our current system: how does this individual immigrant benefit the American nation and her people? No more blanket exemptions or economic rationales. Immigration is a regime-based question, as both Hamilton and Jefferson wrote on extensively, and our system should reflect that Americans must also demand meaningful investment in assimilation and integration requirements for legal immigrants here already.’ (Source)
Within the debate, those who advocate for the H1B visa process are quick to call anyone a “racist” or “nativist” who stands against it. Within the tech industry the use of H1B is positioned as vital for their success.
As can be noted by the extreme position on the pro-H1B side of the discussion, they view this debate as a zero-sum contest. The position of Musk and the Silicon Valley tech group is that if the H1B process is stopped, American technological advancements will immediately cease to exist.
When it is pointed out that Silicon Valley discriminates against white Americans with engineering degrees and or skills, Silicon Valley shouts back the same arguments as the DEI promoters Musk claims to abhor. Musk and the tech group immediately use the Alinsky attack method (isolate, ridicule, marginalize) against anyone who speaks forcefully against their interests. The Musk allies and influencers then pile on. It is something remarkable to watch happen.
Years of Americans in various business sectors being forced to train their foreign replacements before the Americans are terminated from employment, underscore a very hardened stance against the H1B abuse. The decision by the Silicon Valley network to dismiss this problem because they want to sustain their current business operations is not going to end well unless some cooler heads immediately intercede.
Nicole Shanahan, Robert F Kennedy’s former running mate – and also a Silicon Valley network influencer, puts it this way:
“Having lived in Silicon Valley for 20+ years and founded and sold an AI company, I’ve seen firsthand how we rely on H-1B to fill grueling, unglamorous coding jobs. These jobs are essential, and we need capable people doing them. But the system needs an overhaul.
Here’s why:
To keep pace with global competitors like China and India, we need Americans ready to tackle the challenging jobs in these fields. We have them, but often our STEM grads turn their noses up at these entry-level, low-paying coding positions after investing in a costly education.
So why are immigrants from India, China, and elsewhere so eager for these jobs? It’s not because they’re glamorous or because these roles don’t exist back home. And definitely not because they offer high salaries. There’s something else driving this…
The undeniable proof that the United States is the single greatest nation on earth is that people from every corner of the globe dream of coming here—not to China or India—but America.
I take issue with some of the discourse I’ve read online today suggesting “lazy American culture” is the main driver for why we need to continue the H-1B program. Let’s be real: tech companies getting massive breaks on cheap labor at the expense of the American way of life is predatory.
Blaming our culture for why American STEM grads won’t take underpaying jobs is ridiculous and insulting.
The system we’ve constructed with H-1B visas, whether we like it or not, incentivizes people to come here and serve as essentially indentured servants for Big Tech, taking on the tough, grueling jobs that few here in America are excited to perform at the current suppressed salaries.
In return, if you’re good at your job, you’re then put on a fast track to get a Green Card, which means legal status and the chance to bring your family over through chain migration.
I’m reminded of this famous line by our second President, John Adams: “I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy. My sons ought to study mathematics and philosophy, geography, natural history, naval architecture, navigation, commerce and agriculture in order to give their children a right to study painting, poetry, music, architecture, statuary, tapestry, and porcelain.”
Just because our kids have the “right” to chase artistic dreams like music and painting, doesn’t mean we should bring in hundreds of thousands of foreign workers to displace them in math-intensive careers. It’s a two-fold issue: both our education and immigration policies are broken. Instead of tackling these complex issues head-on, Big Tech monopolies and tech VCs are looking for the fastest way to outcompete globally and become industry giants. It’s paid off—look at the insane valuations of these companies!
We can’t entirely blame them for this approach—it’s been the industry norm for 40 years—but we can insist they seek out the tough, lasting solutions. No more temporary fixes.
I was asked if teaching American kids coding from a younger age would make them want these coding jobs. My response? No, it won’t. These jobs aren’t fun, people.
But, do I think removing the incentive of attaining legal status would reduce the volume of foreign applicants? Absolutely.
And, guess what? That might finally force Big Tech to look for workers right here at home (and pay them a competitive wage). Americans expect fair pay, which means these companies would have to start sharing their wealth rather than hoarding it.
Meritocracy is key to America’s greatness, but so are justice and fairness—we shouldn’t keep rewarding an industry that has curtailed free speech and American values. After Trump’s recent victory, the everyday worker feels empowered like never before. They won’t surrender that power, and frankly, it’s not right to imply they should.
There are numerous ways to improve our immigration system while safeguarding the American labor force (and I say “force” because it truly is capable, creative, and powerful).
Here are two straightforward steps to start the process:
1. Immigration policy must be designed to protect the American way of life and its workforce. Singapore’s work permit program, which they designed in the ’90s, was built from this standard and could provide good inspiration. They use a modern-day designation system to manage the influx of labor across various sectors.
⁃ Employers face levies (essentially fees that employers have to pay for each foreign worker they hire. It’s a way to manage the number of foreign workers coming in by making it more expensive to employ them, encouraging companies to also look for talent locally).
⁃ There are Dependency Ceilings, which essentially limit the number of foreign workers based on the local workforce—this is KEY.
⁃ They impose restrictions on the countries from which workers can come.
⁃ Permits are diversified across industries to ensure balance.
2. Special economic zones are amazing and can transform local tech job markets. Hiring locally is going to be critical for making sure Americans are taking key tech industry roles AND able to support their families.
If we really want to lift America to heights unseen in generations—not just talk about it, but actually do it—then we can’t continue to stick to outdated strategies that have harmed Americans. We owe it to ourselves and our communities to aim higher and do better.” (source)
As I watch this debate unfold, I find myself finally realizing why all the Silicon Valley tech people were such staunch Democrats. Their worldview does not: (1) seem to comprehend American Economic Nationalism as a priority; (2) seem to appreciate the importance of true liberty in the creation of the remarkable outcomes from American exceptionalism; and (#3) they appear to be inside a bubble of self-interest, unattached and unaffected by the economic issues that have seriously harmed the MAGA base.
In essence, the Silicon Valley network represented by Elon Musk team, does not connect in the same way to the important priorities of middle America. The technocrats are, well, Technocrats.
Watching this debate unfold is quite remarkable.
Poll: 60% of Americans Says U.S. Does Not Need Any More H-1B Visa Workers
Competition would seem to be the answer?
We collectively have to come up with a better way.
If we take both concepts to the extremes we either have labor unions which can strangle industry (auto workers/EU) or we have legalized sweat shops in the USA.
Neither extreme is sustainable or palatable to individual freedom.
You mean competition, with reciprocal tariffs?
“… and (#3) they appear to be inside a bubble of self-interest, unattached and unaffected by the economic issues that have seriously harmed the MAGA base.”
now THAT one speaks volumes
And it’s totally true!
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Is MAGA the target of this “war of ideas”?
Color revolution(ists) seek wedge issues and pound on them to divide and subsume governments and political movements.
The mouthpiece hounds (MSM) of the NWO/WEF/IC are throwing gasoline on this fire.
It has always crossed my mind that Vivek and Musk (Democrats til 3 seconds ago) were imposters, faking it to get on the inside —do we NOT recall that Vivek wanted TO BE PRESIDENT?! And Musk, not eligible, has grown more vocal and power hungry after his twitter bullhorn purchase. Trump’s in a real pickle. He should DUMP BOTH immediately, DOGE was one thing but like human nature these two CANNOT HELP THEMSELVES and are overstepping now into POLICY and self-dealing policy at that. Dump them now before it’s too late, their attitudes that THEY HAVE MADE PUBLIC, Musk, in VERY NASTY fashion, have outed them. The shouldn’t be allowed on the inside of US govt as they don’t fit the MAGA bill. .
Then we shouldn’t have to pay taxes on anything to give them these government contracts and grants. We should be taxing them for land and resource use, per head.
Its an extremely complex situation.
Who here likes more expensive food? The salary required for you to pick a field of veg would be triple that of a Mexican, and many here wouldn’t even pick that field of veg on a better salary.
To be completely honest, it doesn’t matter where you rank on the social scale, nearly everyone is looking for a cheaper slave, and the only ones who aren’t, are those with the b*lls and foresight to be self sufficient!
You have 4 years to get out of the system
The cheapest, unhealthiest food is the other reason RFK is trying to address the national health issues.
Chemicals and factory made, so that leaves meat, fruit, produce. Who is going to pick it and pack it? No one wants those jobs. The argument is always pay more, and we’ll do it, but then food prices rise, and folk then complain about food cost.
America was founded on the self sufficient/homesteaders, and up to the 1960’s 85% of Americans had a vegetable garden and fruit trees. What happened? Its not the immigration, we got lazy.
Not too lazy. Too affluent. By the 1960s the American middle class was enjoying a standard of living unprecedented in world history. People were spending time on leisure and gave up on home chores. They also moved to suburbs and did not want to appear “poor” to their neighbors by growing a food garden. (Ornamental gardens were still popular.)
Then inflation hit in the ’70s and from then on women needed to work to provide a second income so the family could continue enjoying that new lifestyle. So families no longer had as much time to garden even if they wanted to or to cook fresh produce.
Field work is not considered skilled labor!! Please!
What does it matter what it is considered? WE WON’T DO IT! That is the problem! No one wants to address the huge elephant in the room! That while we are happy to call Democrats “elitist” we are to “elite” to pick our own food, pack our own meat, and do the basics so we don’t have to require immigrants of any type!
The system that has been created and that everyone buys into is killing us!
But it is.
It takes great skill and fortitude to stand outdoors while the sun beats down, so people who know nothing about nutrition, or where their food comes from, can eat! You can live without a software program, but try living without food.
It takes skill and fortitude to butcher cattle, pigs, and pack it.
Wrong visa.
Seasonal agricultural worker is the H-2A visa. That is another category of abused visas. There are a whole smorgasbord of different visas for different job categories.
All the ones beginning with the letter H are “non immigrant,” meaning they are just supposed to be to let in temp workers who are not looking to immigrate permanently. (But as always once they get into the tent…)
Seriously! It doesn’t matter if its an XYZ visa granted by golden elves! WE have to start doing the jobs, or we lose America. Its that simple!
😂 who will pick the lettuce?
Hopefully the same person that 💩 in the field the day before.
I may be wrong but the issues surrounding the H-1B visa applies more to those in the technology and white collar fields, not the “veg” field workers.
Temporary agriculture workers come in on H2A visas.
Actually, labor economists (George Borjas) who have written about this issue found that where food costs are concerned, labor accounts for only 17% of the total. Most of the costs derive from processing food and transporting it. Therefore, the premise that illegal aliens/cheap visa labor are “needed” or food costs will skyrocket is completely false.
Besides, it is really easy to grow vegetables appropriate for your area. I take advantage of Florida sun and rain and grow in the Fall, Winter and Spring. I grow lettuce, broccoli, cauliflower, bok choy and others in containers. I have peppers and tomatoes but they are pickier, the hot ones I can grow year round, the tomatoes are finicky. There IS a learning curve. I will not try growing lettuce or brassicas after it gets hot again. It’s a great way to cut down on the poisons in your food and it’s good to teach children. Potatoes/sweet potatoes are easy – easiest in a grow bag, but the puppy eats those, so I have to wait. I can grow green onions year round but fall is best for large onions. Northern climates can do well if they have built structures to provide warmth.
It does not take that much time to grow in containers close to your house. If you automate the watering, it is even quicker. It helps address the inflation in other food products that require more space and effort – chickens, goats, cattle. I have a herniated L5, I am NOT doing heavy lifting, tilling or digging.
And let’s not overlook that the LARGEST US tech companies now have INDIAN born CEOs —IBM, Microsoft, Google and Alphabet, Novartis, Adobe, Starbucks,,, CAN YOU SEE IT NOW?? https://www.investopedia.com/10-top-indian-ceos-7487331
Globalist or H1B, either way, these publicly traded companies Boards have sold-out, DIMINISHING opportunities for AMERICANS in the highest paying of positions.
Glad to see you incorporate Nicole’s comments in the matter as she sums it up very well. I too am amazed at the complete disconnect with reality outside their personal bubble. I expect PDJT to hold strong in his beliefs for the American citizen.
‘…the complete disconnect with reality outside their personal bubble.’
On the contrary, the corporatist elites exploiting H1B and other “human resources” are not disconnected with reality, they are just disconnected from morals, being drunk on money and power from exploiting others for personal gain.
Slavery is alive and well in the world. In the US, the immigrant flood feeds the indentured servitude model, which is de facto near-slavery.
But this is not limited to labor. These types exploit everyone and everything to the max, it is a game to see who can gain the most mammon, and truth and ethics are swept aside. See Matthew 6:24.
Elon’s “Take a big step back and F— YOURSELF…” is revealing. The combination of hubris, mammon and power intoxication, and chemical stimulants is obvious. How’s that enthusiasm for Trump’s cadre and DOGE feeling now?
DOGE purports to bring this manic over-driving-employees model to the Federal Government. The overcaffeinated hubris will quickly bog down. The Civil Service was implemented to thwart such abusive employee coercion, because political corruption comes with it as employees are pressured to wrongdoing to keep the bosses happy. DOGE is either profoundly naive (Dunning-Kruger effect) or disingenuous – or both.
You’re missing the fact that Civil Service jobs are often augmented by contractors using H1B Visa employees.
I used to work for Intel, and they hired H1B visas by the plane-load. I had to train a few of my replacements.
I later worked for government where I encountered a contractor (Deloitte) who MASSIVELY abused the H1B system to grind them in coding jobs. Entire teams would get an initial crack at coding, and in a few weeks-to-months they’d be replaced with others. I don’t know if they were using those short periods for cheap labor on a trial basis, but besides the benefit they get with low-paid, indentured servants who worked insane hours under threat of being deported or losing sponsorship, they also made money from the families in foreign countries who wanted to see their children get prestigious careers by hook or by crook. One employee was being placed as a high level manager in a 150 million software project. I looked at his resume which had 6-7 prior jobs, all lasting about 6 months each with increasing sizes of projects. So I started calling the prior employers, and not one of them would have hired that person back, and they were frequently absent. I reported my findings to the hiring board and they kept telling me to go back and look some more. (ie, they were going to hire this person, no matter what). He was hired on, never showed up, was paid a nice and tidy salary during that time, and then moved on. I learned then that Deloitte made money from the family back home for doing this.
Not only is the deck stacked against the higher paid american worker, the company is gaining slave labor at slave wages and getting money from wealthy families overseas.
If you looked through the years in which H1B visas were supposed to be limited further, the BIG companies would shower legislators with lobbying dollars. (I think legislators knew how to make it rain money by merely threatening to limit some benefit of wealthy firms, who passed their money through the lobbyists and into their pockets.) Someone above stated it correctly as an issue of a lack of morals and an abundance of greed.
It’s not personal, it’s just how they make money while getting cheap labor for ridiculous hours and having a VERY heavy stick in pulling sponsorship of the employees should they speak up about the abusive working conditions.
Good grief! This is simply wrong. Thanks for relating your personal experience in the private sector and what you observed happening in our “civil service” sector.
Hopefully, our VSGPDJT will come up with the right plan to bring some light on and normality back to this abusive system.
“Entire teams would get an initial crack at coding, and in a few weeks-to-months they’d be replaced with others. I don’t know if they were using those short periods for cheap labor on a trial basis, but besides the benefit they get with low-paid, indentured servants who worked insane hours under threat of being deported or losing sponsorship.”
Something deliciously ironic about Pharaonic Egypt, and slaves building pyramidal structures comes to mind.
GREAT point. MANY Civil servants in the US government are foreigners. State Dept? FULL OF FOREIGN BORN. HOW does THAT make sense (beyond a few language or regional experts).
But ALL gov’t departments are rife. And, hate to share MORE bad news but it’s not only H1B that got them there. The REFUGEES from pick a place, Iraq,Syria, Ukraine, Haiti, Afghanistan, ETC, ARE SET UP WITH JOBS (FACT!) LARGELY IN US GOVT AGENCIES AND UNION JOBS BEFORE THEY ARRIVE TO US in many cases! Think about any airport you use –the TSA, and many other functions are held by foreigners. In DC it’s heavy Ethiopian.
Yes, good paying jobs, straight to REFUGEES. These jobs also are THE MOST BENEFIT rich jobs (gov’t’, union) and come with either near lifetime employment and pensions. The American worker and careerist is being sold out on so many levels it’s sickening.
Yes, that remark by him is VERY nasty and disconcerting.
Offensive and abusive. Disappointing, to say the very least.
Elon’s greatest genius has been mining subsidies, tax credits and intellectual property paid for by the US taxpayer.
I am reminded of his Tesla plant, had several states competing with tax breaks and land deals for the opportunity. I think Reno NV got the deal. Closer to Blackrock Desert for those Burning Man orgies.
“Bad Day at Black Rock”.
https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0047849/plotsummary/?ref_=tt_ov_pl
So he owes us money.
Similar to Buffett’s business model.
Remember, he believes in personal loyalty.
I think he will take Elon’s side.
I doubt it ; PDJT has already stated his position . This conversation will allow adjustments, not avoidance .
PDJT is LOYAL to Americans. What about his personal loyalty to We the People?
Now you are thinking. Politics is like prostitution. That you pay one time for one time. Politics you pay for ever for a regular occurring time.
And only on the side of free speech until it’s not free. The bigger picture behind all of this is W.E.f. Being a member in good standing in the big club, members will do “big club” things.
I was told that even if the wealthy, let’s say “have issues”, secrets are kept to Protect the family gravy train.
But its so easy to grind the system to a halt. You stop buying what they have to offer. If everyone in America stopped buying Teslas, Iphones, Amazon products. How long will they last?
Just remember Trump knows how to dance. He ma look like he is waltzing but really it’s the jitterbug.
If the future is tech, we have ALL lost the dance!
Well,,, judging by Trump’s comments yesterday that he “loves” H1b and “has many h1 b at his properties” HOW are hospitality jobs “unique” enough to warrant a foreign worker with “special skills”… Anyone else feel like Trump’s about to sell MAGA down the river (again) with all his flip-flopping and UNENDING POOR CHOICES for HR? Exhausting.
IIRC Sundance voiced concerns about the choice of JD and his techbro pedigree.
I’ve been waiting to see when and how this issue would manifest and here we are.
Rides over Elon
GFY
JD Vance is a white Obama.He was chosen groomed sent to ivy league College and then Peter Thiel and company presented him to Mouthy trump Jr. Poor Appalachia boy hard scrabble story, BS. I and many more lived that actual Hardscrabble life . They just use it to pray on the intent. These shts have never had it hard, bet money they never had to carry a lunch to school that consist of a slice of Onion with mustard on a biscuit. These phony shits need to have walked a mile in lots of us commoners shoes.
Oh my! Your comment is just plain rude and inaccurate. And I am being nice.
Thank you.
“slice of Onion with mustard on a biscuit” Your mom and mine must have known each other….only instead of mustard, my slice of (day-old-to-begin-with) bread hosted mayonnaise. Best taste ever to a hungry kid at lunchtime.
The first “few” big fights are going to look bad–like this one.
BUT
Conflict is the birthplace of “better” as long as ego is secondary and accomplishment of “mission” is primary.
The PEOPLE’S interests are on the table and the power we have will be brought to bear as long as we keep the ego-locked-in [self-interested] people in check.
IF we do not have this argument, then it will come to FORCE (or the threat of force must be credible). Men will not be cut off from freedom and livelihood indefinitely.
Elon will be called “wise”, in addition to previously earned compliments, if he gets this lesson quickly.
H1B and other special immigration policy will NOT be “a be winner” here… America and Americans First.
Selfless service.
Remember the mules.
Thanks for the reminder of the mules.
EGO! not one of the three Trump, Musk, Vivek have those!!! IF EGO is going to be the arbiter here, it’s all doomed to hell.
Talented geniuses can easily qualify for an O-1 visa. It can be applied for at anytime time, and js good for duration of status, which means no set expiration.
I hope President Trump is aware of the difference in these two types of visas.
O-1 sounds like it has built-in limits (the percentage of true genius in the population) as well as built-in benefit.
Like any other gummint construct, of course, it can and already seems to have been abused. Vigilance will be required.
H1-B, on the other hand, is clearly toxic in and of itself.
For several years before I took early retirement, I watched the dot-no-feather influx at the large computer company where I worked, and the layoffs of talented citizens in their favor. There were also quite a few Chinese hires.
My job was documentation and some interface design. These newbies were simply wrecking the user interfaces of our products.
A decade before I had been part of a large award-winning documentation team making the intricate underlying software fully comprehensible to humans. Now I was one of a tiny few left trying to update and maintain what we had built. Every piece of interface “designed” by this new crew reminded me of the efforts at “farming” made in the Seattle “autonomous” zone by throwing dirt and plants onto sheets of cardboard and expecting food.
It was obvious that the language barrier chafed worst of all in documentation, where writing meets math. And good user interface design is actually the first layer of documentation that the user encounters.
Don’t get me wrong, they were very pleasant people and everyone got along well.
But culture does matter.
You only need one genius and an army of drones.
Being a genius is not reason enough for a visa ( points toward potential ) , character, cultural beliefs , and disposition are equally important.
You make an excellent point. Work ethic in particular.
Hence the adage: “Genius is 10% inspiration and 90% perspiration.”
You zoomed in on the two comments/threads that I found most interesting though I gather I missed quite a bit of the kerfuffle. Am new to X but recently have been spending more time there.
What I took away from it is a little more basic, perhaps, but I think the issue merits a Presidential Commission mandated to study immigration and visa policies and come up with an extensive, detailed, perceptive review of all the many issues and demographics involved along with a set of core recommendations suitable for further review. I think such a Commission could act as a sounding board for the many differing, valid and valuable views on this thereby obviating the tendency for arguments to generate rancour.
We have to find a way to have wide-ranging national discussions without resorting to name-calling, shunning and back turning. Also over-simplifying and then retreating into partisan corners regarding all incoming as hostile.
For example immigration is typical of nearly all such issues: it is (at least) two-sided in that it involves balancing restriction versus invitation, learning what to accept and what to reject, one of life’s greatest skills in no end of fields and contexts.
The same sort of balance is needed when determining where government helps and where such help is counter productive. This effects all sorts of programs and determining which ones to gut or keep will require similar abilities to discuss them rationally, thoroughly and without rancour.
Going to be an interesting year!
These words “commission to study” give me a headache. Kind of like “strongly worded letter”. I am glad however this issue has bubbled up because yes it needs serious review, and by review I don’t mean years and years of commission meetings with a bunch of partisan hacks.
Amen!
When a commission gets results & makes recommendations nothing actually comes of it (like strongly worded letters).
https://www.cairco.org/reference/barbara-jordan-us-commission-immigration-reform
Yeah…partisan hacks who take a lot of our taxpayer money during those “commission meetings.”
For 20+ years or longer, American tech workers have gotten the shaft. Many have gotten the word out. What we need is reform/elimination of the abused visa category. The H1B came into existence in 1990, under Bush I. The truth is we never “needed” them. Wall Street and Tech wanted them to increase profits. D.C. obliged them against the interests of We the People.
Well, I can’t disagree with that practically speaking. But in principle a Commission is good because the information ends up being available to the public after input from many different affected parties. Hashing tings out on talk radio and X doesn’t cut it either.
Seems to me that Trump has done a deal with the TechBros who have espoused a governance policy called Dark Enlightenment. Maybe Sundance can research this and come back with a solid overview. It may not be all bad. Large populations need systemic governance mechanisms and this bunch may be much better than what otherwise we could get thanks to residual virtues in the American and Western Body Politic.
But they do not want what all MAGAs want. That is why when Elon first leapt on stage to endorse Donald he donned a black MAGA hat and his first words were: ‘I’M DARK MAGA!’
We need to find out what that means.
We do not need yet another “commission ” or more useless “studies”, that are expensive, drawn out, and in the end ignored anyway. What we NEED are leaders who care about Americans first. How we GET there is the question. Tamping down on lobbying is going to be an absolute necessity. How is another question.
Thanks, but no thanks.
Yet, another “commission” to “study a problem” that can be dragged out for 4 years until a RINO gets voted in.
Firstly, any foreigner here on a Visa should not be able to chain migrate the rest of their family here. That will lessen the supply of cheap foreign labor.
Secondly, if these corporations need cheap coding labor then let them hire foreigners to do that work in the countries where they live.
The problem with the second solution is that these corporations want to set up business in the USA so that they can enjoy the 15% corporate tax but can only get it if they hire Americans. They want their cake and eat it too.
This has already been tried/done. Her name was Barbera Jordan & 3+ decades ago, said commission made recommendations. Here we are 3+ decades later with a bigger mess than we had then.
https://www.cairco.org/reference/barbara-jordan-us-commission-immigration-reform
I do not disagree with that, but can we begin the “discussion” by drawing distinctions between/among various visas? There are 1) immigrant visas – those that lead naturally to becoming US citizens, and there are 2) non-immigrant visas, of which H1B is one among many. These visas are for temporary workers who should never have Green Cards stapled to them eventually allowing entrants to obtain citizenship. We need to get the facts straight before the discussions, because the Satanic Trinity of Washington, D.C.+SiliconValleySellouts+WallStreet = Disaster for the American people if allowed to control the “discussion”.
WHO the hell thought they could change America’s immigration laws?
Trump must read Vivek and Elon the riot act
WE. DON’T. WANT. INDIANS. ON H2.VISAS.
WILL THEY BE MUSLIMS-LIKE THE AWAN BROTHERS THAT WASSSERMAN SHULTZ IMPORTED?
Its not racism, although the left are now calling it racism.
MAGA IS FOR AMERICANS
PERIOD.
Yes, but what do you say to someone who starts up a tech business and can’t find skilled workers? At one point in the recent past, there were over a million unfilled tech jobs. Right now there are about 500-600k. Should they just not hire if they can’t find a willing or able American?
They can either not start the tech business, start the tech business and hire and train Americans, start their tech business in whatever country they want to draw their talent from.
There is their problem…they want all the benefits of a free America, but they want an exemption to abuse American taxpayers.
Gee, why don’t they start their company in China? China will steal all of their intellectual property.
Gee, why don’t they start their company in India? India will not pay them the profits they can receive in America.
There are 500-600k open jobs in tech, right now. If they could fill those jobs with Americans, they would. Entrepreneurs don’t start their companies in India or China because they are American, not chinese or indian. Strange rebuttal, unless its your position that everyone starting a business who can’t find American workers should relocate to the country where they can find workers instead. In that case, lets ship all of our farmers to Mexico. Lets see what happens to our food supply.
I bet Americans aren’t even allowed to apply for these tech jobs, just like we are not allowed to apply for agricultural jobs. It is their rice bowl and no one can touch it.
👏 👏 Yes! See my response above.
Really? How do you know this?
One would hope that entrepreneurs investigate profit potential before starting the endeavor of opening a business ; if profitability is contingent upon having cheap coding labor ther isn’t sufficient demand for your model . Also your comments on farming / food supply are based in ignorance. Compare farming in the sixties to now and investigate why the mammoth change . I think you will find the Deep State and big business are destroying the food chain in seeking increasing profits and physical laziness.
My sister recently applied for jobs in bakeries. You have to apply online. Every single application asked if she spoke Spanish. When she replied “no,” it terminated her application and thanked her for applying. American workers are being discriminated against because they’re Americans and speak English.
If these tech companies were serious about hiring employees in AMERICA, they would be posting the jobs everywhere they could, even going so far as large billboards you see on the interstate. But they don’t want to put in the effort to do that, and we all know why.
“American workers are being discriminated against because they’re Americans and speak English. ”
EXACTLY right!
Good luck trying to get a job in Miami as a white, English speaking American…. and that was FORTY years ago! 😡
Good times
/sarc
What happened in Miami (population replacement) in the 70’s and 80’s has now spread throughout America.
BS.
This is BS.
Then the tech industry should collectively open up schools that teach tech to Americans.
I can find Real Estate Agent schools and Beautician schools all over this country.
The tech industry seems uninterested in making sure that they have a pool of educated tech graduates from which to hire. They are willing to let someone else handle that problem.
They want the 15% corporate tax rate that comes with the qualifiers that they must operate in the USA and HIRE AMERICANS. They want to keep the financial windfalls that come from 15% but not reinvest that money in raising wages and training students in the industry.
The tech industry seems uninterested in making sure that they have a pool of educated tech graduates from which to hire. They are willing to let someone else handle that problem.
Maybe it’s not the American tech workers who are lazy but the tech companies themselves?
Yes. They have a steady supply of cheap foreign slaves who will work 70 hours a week. Why would they be motivated to change their system of profitability?
They actually have been doing just that. There are various outreaches to assist both minorities and girls to get into the tech field, for over a decade now, mainly in the bigger cities. That wouldn’t be happening if there was a ready supply of labor. Also, Elon is starting up his own school to grow the STEM pipeline. See, here: https://www.entrepreneur.com/business-news/elon-musk-is-opening-a-school-called-ad-astra-how-to-get-in/484491
That also wouldn’t be happening if there was a ready supply of good talent.
I find a lot of these posts to be misunderstanding of what is actually happening out there. They are just gut level reactions with no knowledge of the issue.
If they could fill those jobs with Americans & retain their profit model they would.
Stop lying. The skilled labor is available but nobody subsidizes the lives of working Americans with free anything so they cannot work for indentured servant wages.
Even the schools/colleges that teach tech discriminate in favor of foreigners and that was then expanded to include DEI checkboxes.
Hogwash. Your post adds merit to Sundance’s comments on how people pretend not to know things..
Many times open jobs are not what they seem.
As in you could apply, with all the right qualifications, and still not get hired.
That is some deep and high pile, right there. Farmers abuse the visa system and immigration laws as much as other industries. You do not appear to understand the facts, or you seem to believe that the United States is merely an economic free-for-all, not a country with its own people/citizens?
Labor costs are part of the profitability equation, so 500-600K “open” jobs in tech merely means those companies do not want to pay people a wage which will induce them to take the job, much like the wage collapse in other fields (like, oh, agriculture, construction trades, hospitality). Often, those “openings” are fake. Talk to anyone in tech who has lost a job to a cheaper foreign model. You get what you pay for in any business. Bringing in cheap foreign labor leads to a ripple of consequences which destroys this country’s stability. Try again.
This is BS. American tech workers are struggling to find work because of H-1B visa holders.
Unemployment for American tech workers is very low, below the national unemployment rate, so the facts disagree with you it seems.
Do you have evidence your statement is true? If so, what is this evidence so that we may evaluate its credibility.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/unemployment-rate-tech-occupations-ticks-153900001.html?guccounter=1
Your “proof” is a Yahoo/Finance article…?? Sure. And I find nothing in it that says those hired in the tech field are AMERICANS.
(BTW, is “JT” the same commenter as “Jt”?)
There are willing and able Americans for those jobs. The tech industry doesn’t want them because those willing and able Americans won’t work for slave wages.
Let’s not forget that most of these tech titans are Democrats. The entire history of the Democrat party is rooted in slavery. That’s just who they are.
Not just won’t – can’t. The laws are only applicable to citizens not our “guests.”
How would you know? Just a “gut feeling”? See my above comment regarding unemployment.
I can’t find anyone to to clean my house and mow my yard and do errands for two bucks an hour..
Stupid, lazy, Americans . . .
I’m voting for the open border politicians..
To what degree have we been forced to adopt “tech” against our will.? The alleged tech worker shortage is a function of a gun to our collective heads. I don’t want more tech, I want less it is blackmail.
I know. How will they build their AI surveilance state that only applies to peons without out their cheap h1b labor.
This is not hard.
No one is entitled to a business that is funded/subsidized in any way by the citizens of this nation.
You say “sorry, if your business model cannot be profitable solely on your product offering then get a better business model.” Better luck next time.
Yes, the corporate version of learn to code.
No, it’s the corporate version of personal responsibility.
“can’ find a willing or able American” speaks volumes about our dismal k-16 education system. Maybe we start there to fix the visa abuse?
Tiny little new startups don’t hire H1B employees. There is a lot of paperwork and legal hurdles to get started hiring H1B.
Almost all H1Bs are hired by larger, more established companies who have an HR department and legal staff to work the process and run the paperwork. It is the big companies – like IBM, Intel, Tesla, Google, Facebook, etc.
Agreed. I don’t know about the issue of low pay immigrants but I can speak to the thousands of Indians who have moved in and taken over high end neighborhoods in the Atlanta area. If Vivek can claim that American culture is lazy I can tell you, first hand, that Indian culture leaves much to be desired. Culture is culture. I have a relative who is a realtor and she hates having to deal with these people. They are demanding, they need specifics, like the house must be facing a certain way for their religion and when she does the hard work to find the just right house, they demand she cut her commission. The question is begged, which culture do we want here, the one we create or the one designed by another country? I will always choose American. Humans are tribal so it’s not racist to say you prefer your own tribe.
If they require more , charge more . That is the basis for free enterprise . Culture in the America’s must adhere to Judeo-Christian ethics and morals , our Constitutional Republic will not stand without it . Radicals don’t seem to realize their views and statements would not be possible anywhere else .
Ah but easier said than done. In 1998 we sold a house to an Asian couple. The negotiations were mind boggling. Our agent warned us that Asians expect to have the last word in any negotiation. So we went along and let them have the last number. Then, the day we were moving out they set up a table at the front door with their Buddha and incense. It was taking us longer than expected to get everything and the man complained to my husband that according to their astro chart or something they had to be moved in by 2 pm for the house to be blessed. Okay, my husband, being a problem solver told him to take some personal items, pictures clothing upstairs and put in the master bedroom. Apparently that worked. But the takeaway here, for me, is that we had to bow to their culture. And that is how it is here in Atlanta – bowing to other cultures instead of standing up for our own. And yes, the liberals who are so self righteous about accepting all cultures have no idea they would be tossed of a building in the other’s country.
I make a chart of prices for every extra thing that the customer might want. The prices don’t even have to be factually true but it is miraculous how it shuts people up yet keeps the choice freedom theirs. If they have a problem with that send them on their way – kindly. They’ll probably come back considering you to be most fair. My stupid price charts shut down all the argumentation and let me work for a decent wage. I couldn’t believe it but it was great.
American isn’t a race or a tribe so no worries there.
A fairly shallow dive into the Indian caste system provides more than enough information on why it/they are incompatible with a constitutional republic.
Interesting, the Border Patrol was originally under Department of Labor.
Musk should take it down a notch. He should not make threats to a large portion of America.
Who is musky directing his nasty comment at?
All of us who know he lies and is a fraud.
Us.
Trump supporters.
MAGA
Musk can’t help himself.
the vindictive petulant child when he doesn’t get his way and starts to lose his adoring fan base.
I am sick & tired of seeing his huge face and having to listen to his idiotic nonsense.
Laura Loomer got under his skin – clearly.
I just heard about that yesterday. Apparently Laura Loomer does not have the right to free speech on X. Hmmm., selective free speech, seems unconstitutional to me, abuse of power…
It is Elon who needs to take a step back and take a look at himself.
This was so predictable. Many people hailed Elon as the savior of free speech. Apparently not so much when it’s his agenda being criticized.
EE yes, and made only more glaringly and obviously hypocritical given his declarations of being a ( self appointed ) “free speech absolutist”.
More like high falutin’ bullshit artist.
I am sure that many here among us have always have had an innate *distrust* of Elon Musk, and it appears as if our distrust is well placed.
The Laura Loomer things seals the deal for me. It isn’t necessarily whether or not he “allows” her to speak on *his* platform or not. It’s the now becoming clear hypocrisy.
It’s analogous to Orwell’s “Animal Farm” wherein some animals are “more equal” than others. In Musk world – Some animals have “more” free speech than others
I wonder who owns Elon Musk. I mean, really.
At least with Vivek Rama-smarmy his entire demeanor and perfectly glib “every talking point one would hope to hear” was enough for me to engender out of the box “distrust”.
Hey Reed…well expressed as usual…
(will be mostly gone for next 2 weeks, see you then).
Getting under one’s skin is Laura’s gift! God bless her!
Back off Elon! Your lack of vocabulary is showing with your “big step back…” insult.
Musk’s mask has fallen. I hope people are paying attention.
exactly.
had to happen, sooner or later…
but WATCH OUT for his toxic revenge…
gaslighting
smear campaign(s)
blame-shifting
playing the victim
Don’t be so sure that Trump’s mask has fallen as well. Sundance mentioned a lot of concern over J.D.’s relationship to Tech executives when he was selected as his VP candidate. This is what you get when your dang children are spearheading your presidential campaign.
and….the likes of Susie Wiles & Elon Musk and The Technocrats.
it’s a lot of “populist” talk but with an oligarch walk.
Would you rather Mike Pence and Chris Christie spearhead it like in 2016? How well did that work out?
What a ridiculously false choice!
BTW it was Jared in charge of the Trump campaign.
That is a tired argument and ad hominem. No one is saying they prefer Pence or Harris in their comments. They’re discussing THIS upcoming administration and the concern about how it’s coming together.
PTump talked a lot about putting Americans first. It now appears certain of his choices for roles in his administration are more concerned with their own profits, not ours. Not a surprise.
AAAAAAND here we are
RACISM!
MAGA Civil War Takes No Time to Go Full Racist
https://www.thedailybeast.com/maga-civil-war-takes-no-time-to-go-full-racist/
Chelsea Clinton is on the board for the Daily Beast. Nothing they print is worth reading.
Agree. Whatever opinion they have on this kerfuffle is irrelevant and designed to cause trouble, and I have no intention of reading it.
I’m pretty sure the point of Charlotte99’s post was “here is what the left is saying about us” and not “I endorse thedailybeast”
That’s how I read it also. Thanks for pointing that out.
Their race card is expired, and they aren’t getting a reloaded one, especially on this issue.
They sound like slavery proponents back in the olden days telling us how good slavery is for black people (and for America) and you must hate black people, and not want America to win as Elon says, if you want to end slavery.
And they sound like that because that is exactly who they would have been back then.
This exposes elon musk’s true agenda.
He just toold Americans to go f yourself if you oppose his objective of hiring foreign workers first before you.
Elon’s middle name is parasite, that feeds off its host.
Elon p musk.
President trump has let this parasite use him for political purposes.
However, wrong place, right time and strange things can happen.
Equate Elon Musk as a parasite in need of a host.
Yes, parasites can definitely harm you, but a lesser known fact is that parasites can also be instrumental in maintaining a healthy immune system.
Or to put it anothet way, get you elected presudent and maintsin the status quo of hiring foreign workers before Americans.😡
Musk is what he is and thats that as they say.
Is he a good or bad parasite?
He is both.
I couldn’t help thinking as I looked at Elon’svadorable little (white) son, that he won’t ever have to worry about money, or employment. That’s possibly one reason for his lousy attitude. At least Vivek knows better than to be so rude about it. Note to Elon; you’ve outed yourself now, and there’s no going back.
But maybe this is a good thing after all. We have to know, none of these guys have our backs. Not. One. Of. Them.
I believe that President Trump has our back, Liz. Nothing is going to shake my belief in my president. Now, as for “the others”….well, not so much. I was frankly very offended by Elon’s “go f yourself” post. Another disappointment.
he’s enamored with himself..
gulps down his own kool-aid.
BIG gulps
Exposing? Musk has been quite forthright on this issue, for years now.
Musk did not get President Trump elected..We the People did!
I had hoped Mr Musk would have approached President Trump about getting the white South African farmers to the US, to avoid genocide.
Give them farmland that we should seize from the Chinese or something.
But no. Just the usual concerns about the bottom line.
Those white south african farmers will vote Democrat. No good deed goes unpunished.
I have encountered quite a few here in the Southeast farming community ; they will not vote Democrat .
Yes , please shed sunlight on this abrupt failure of a ” government ” ( referring to South Africa of course ) . Apartheid still exists , just a different faction being targeted for removal .
When I was in school one of my friends was a Broadcast and Film major in the School of Communications.
He had studied the student catalog thoroughly and chose his major based on it being the ONLY major in the School of Arts and Sciences that had no, zero, math requirement.
He has recently retired from a career in his field with good success.
I an Engineer am still working at 70
Most American students don’t like math and most media teaches them to despise math. They take courses without math.
But even the math haters in Poly Sci, in business school, and other non math majors end up in Statistics, because their work requires polling and
Customer focus groups.
They can’t completely get away from math.
People like me, and the veritable UN in all my classes were comfortable with math and sought it out.
USA as Vivec points out has put this on itself.
But they are not just replacing Engineers like me (they can’t) now they are coming for the tax accountants and actuaries at the accountants, consultancies, and insurance companies.
This generation of managers, born in this century, does not have the moral fiber or ethics to care about their fellow citizens. Least Cost is all they will hear.
Very short sighted of them, and I’ve been saying it for over four decades. You can’t decimate the native born middle class and have a customer base forever. BTW, before I retired from nursing I saw it happening there too.
Thank you Liz ! Eventually the ignorant will realize that middle class America is the largest market in the world!
But they are not just replacing Engineers like me (they can’t) now they are coming for the tax accountants and actuaries at the accountants, consultancies, and insurance companies.
Aren’t these some of the specialties that AI advocates are targeting for mechanization?
(Along with technical writing, my own previous career.)
New Math is designed to make students innumerate and hate Math.
Robert Conquest’s Three Laws of Politics « Isegoria:
#3. The simplest way to explain the behavior of any bureaucratic organization is to assume that it is controlled by a cabal of its enemies.
I figure my adherence to “old math” is part of the reason I sailed through graduate level statistics and research methods while many of the younger people in my cohort had to work insanely harder than their norm.
The disaster of a math curriculum,
“Common Core,” comes to mind.
Bingo!!! I had the opportunity to look at the material that my grandson was being taught when he started school years ago. I was horrified.
Because my daughter and her family moved to a more remote area, she home-schooled their son for 3 years, giving him a much better start in his education. Now, they live in town and he is far ahead of his classmates….mostly because of the great start he got from his mom.
That still doesn’t explain how Indians are better, or how people with degrees in math from places like MIT can’t get jobs.
They destroyed the school system, and then bitch about the worker pool.
Kamala Harris
Nikki Haley
Vivek
JD Vance’s wife, and JD Vance himself dressed as a Hindu for his wedding
Lots of Indians suddenly in high places in American politics.
Why?
Globalist corporate exploitation of slave labor in China is shifting to the exploitation of slave labor in India?
Indians make up the majority of H1B visa applicants as well.
There is a private school in my area that recently added a new holiday to their school closing schedule. The holiday is for Indians and it’s called Dwalli. What’s next?
Harmer Dillon…
This is what you get when you hire Indian. She’s in charge of stopping election theft in Arizona. What did she do?! Nothing or she failed.
As is often the case in an Indian/non-Indian union, JD and Usha had two wedding ceremonies. Adding his wife to your list above, is not the same because she is not the one who is our VP, he is.
As an alleged part Indian, having Kamala Harris on your list works, even though the pandering, disingenuous chameleon can’t make up her mind what she is!!!
We might have had a choice btwn 2 female Indians for president if the assassination had worked. They seem to be in every western government.
Wives, more than not, have influence.
True.
Case in point: “Dr.” Jill.
Pocahontas…oops.wrong native.
“The Great Replacement”
Middle Class America will not be replaced by low-wage, unskilled, uneducated farm workers from south of the border.
Middle Class America is actually being replaced by high-wage, educated, highly skilled tech and professional workers from India and China.
Good point. Seems like everything India is being normalized….
Visa workers are a tiny percentage of the overall work force.
Once Trump secures the borders the number of immigrants coming into our country will shrink. Then his “big beautiful door” can properly vet the migrants. End result is fewer immigrants and safer immigrants.
Win win
Trump actually wants more immigrants. He simply wants them to be legal.
Vivek is calling for America to have at least a population of a billion people. He loves the stench of death and starvation and public urinals.
Your comment is BS and totally rude.
Have you set foot in India?
Interesting. What percentage is it, I wonder.
It certainly seemed like a very high one in the tech sector – so perhaps I have blinders on…
Easy solution. All visa workers must be paid the same dollar per hour rate as a US citizen. No exceptions.
AND tariffs on H-1B visas!
What about government benefits such as food stamps, housing, crowding our schools with their children, chain migration, anti-American hostility in the office, overwhelming our hospitals, their children born in the USA becoming automatic citizens, their parents getting put onto social security, they get to claim dependents who live in their homeland on their tax returns, and the money that they earn does not get spent in the USA.
The problem is just more than $/hr.
We had a doctor of Indian descent (born here) but when he started his own business he chose to populate it with all Doctors born in India. I said I am American and I am comfortable in a mixed environment. The doctors that he hired had thick accents and language/culture barriers. I fail to understand why he chose this.
I worked in Houston, Texas under right to work laws. No nursing unions. H1B’s were paid the same as everyone else.
I enjoyed working with the foreign nurses, especially the Filipinos.
Yes, Rand Paul was willing to let SB386 pass under unanimous consent after he got a special carve out for the Filipina nurses he liked too.
Not good enough. You’re leaving a minimum of 7.5% on the table. Corporations do not pay SS taxes on foreign workers.
As we went through layoffs and our jobs were replaced by far cheaper workers, I watched some of my coworkers, men, cry because they had special needs children who required expensive medical attention and they worried sick about paying for it. I look at autistic children which are vaccine injuries caused by vaccines pushed by these huge interlocking corporations.
Musk and the rest want a war with We the People? I look forward to it.
So they damaged the children, causing high lifelong cost – emotional, medical, financial – then took away the means to support it. Nice plan.
One thing that might curtail this is a law that would limit a CEO’s salary (say that they can be no more than double the wage of the lowest paid employee of a corporation) and require all profits to be distributed throughout the company to employees. This would deal with problem billionaires like Musk, Bezos, Gates, Iger and numerous others, overnight.
The excess money that they spend on lavish yachts, drugs, lobbyists, congressmen, prostitutes and trafficking would go to hardworking Americans, who would have more income. This would also re-orient the power of money back to the everyday American, no longer outmatched by a class of billionaires hoarding all of it — because now those billionaires wouldn’t exist. This would also benefit the company because now the workers would have more at stake to be invested in it.
And imagine how much this would change the political landscape as there would be no billionaire money weighted against the will of the people, being used as a cudgel to bend politicians to their will. Politicians would only receive funding on the merit of their campaign in the eyes of the well-paid citizens donating.
Nice dream. Too bad it’s never going to happen.
More like a nightmare.
The utopian socialism espoused, to which we both replied, would be introduced with the admonition that – “You didn’t build that”.
“One thing that might curtail this is a law that would limit a CEO’s salary (say that they can be no more than double the wage of the lowest paid employee of a corporation) and require all profits to be distributed throughout the company to employees. This would deal with problem billionaires like Musk, Bezos, Gates, Iger and numerous others, overnight. The excess money that they spend on lavish yachts, drugs, lobbyists, congressmen, prostitutes and trafficking would go to hardworking Americans, who would have more income.”
What’s next? A central committee to determine who in your example of a system of utopian socialism gets what, how much, and when?
No thank you.
I agree.
Utopian economics rapidly devolves to the dystopian.
Then the men who build yachts would suffer.
Hmm , a middle class with more disposable income ? The oligarchy will never go for it . Too much common sense involved.
That is socialism.
This is also an enormous problem in municipalities , not just federal and state . Hopefully DOGE can shine a lot of sunlight on local fiefdoms fueled by Federal grant money with multiple strings attached.
Doge? Run byVivek and Elon? No. They both need to leave the administration and never return.
This would do nothing. Salary is not usually a big part of the compensation package for a C-level executive in a big company. And for the really rich people, they mostly got that way because they owned the bulk of company that they started.
Smells like Communism to me.
Sure – let’s just eliminate the very cultural and economic model that has made this country the richest and most desirable place in the world for well over a century. Yeah….that’s a GREAT idea! There is an entirely different economic system that you can find in lots of other countries if you are looking for that Comrade.
I doubt you would want these salary and compensation restrictions applied to a truly free market corporation.
But . . . in the case of Gates, Musk, etc . . .
Their corporations attained their high positions due government funding, and not to market forces and CEO skill.
These were originally DARPA funded or CIA funded or Department of Defense funded military research corporations.
They are and were originally funded by our tax money.
So . . . public control of these corporations would be appropriate.
They should be thought of as public utilities for the War Department. And regulated as such.
These corporations are the prime examples of corporate fascism.
Again, they didn’t win in the marketplace. They were given massive tax funding.
Most CEOs get paid a fat salary. But salary is not where they make most of their money. The bulk of their compensation is almost always in “performance bonus,” stock options and other incentive-based pay tied to stock price or corporate profit.
If the company makes a lot of money the CEO gets very rich. If the company doesn’t then the CEO only gets moderately rich.
Nicole Shanahan has an impressive command of this issue. Elon and Vivek should listen to her.
Having listened to her once or twice, I find her brilliant, and having an impressive command over anything she focuses on.
She continues to impress.
I’m not sold on her.
I want to correct something Nicole Shanahan said. We techies (in general) do not pay much if anything for our education. Most of us get scholarships, teaching assistantships, research assistantships, etc. In my case, not only did I not pay for my PhD or undergrad degree, the universities paid me. This is a common practice for techies from top-rated schools.
Can I get an amen?
Same here.
I was pretty much self-taught in the tech aspect of writing.
Of course documentation is a far cry from real coding. I did get to do some scripting work and UI design that was great brain exercise…
The field was sort of a wild west in the 80’s when I started, very much a meritocracy. Sad to see what it has become…
agreed
Good to know.
That has not been my families experience at all.
In the 90s, if you taught yourself the right skills, kept ahead of the curve, went to boot camps, etc you could do very well without much formal college at all. That is, until it didn’t matter any more, they just filled the departments with H1B.
Sounds like you already got it.
‘Buy American, Hire American’. PDJT
Peter Navarro will soon do the talking back.
We need to bring engineering and manufacturing back to our country. If it couldn’t be accomplished using exploitive visa programs, the work was shipped overseas.
I would like to see him weigh in.
Steve Bannon is already sounding off on the America First side of the debate.
https://www.mediaite.com/politics/bannon-rages-at-on-the-spectrum-tech-billionaires-a-bunch-of-geeks-who-cant-take-criticism-arent-going-to-run-the-u-s/
Vivek is a self-aggrandizing, bloviating little twerp.
Dr Shiva is a better representative of Indian moxie
A big shot employment attorney in California called me last night re: H1B visa fraud / trafficking of workers. Here’s what she said:
The market is cornered by visa body shops who apply for ~50% of the visas.
The economics of it: These body shops are headed by former hiring managers from Big Tech companies. They bring people to America, rent apartments for them, and house about 10 together in one apartment.
They put these recipients through a ~4 week bootcamp of basic tech training, fraudulently rewrite their resumes, teach them how to interview.
The body shops land them jobs, primarily at the companies these hiring managers came from, and pay the workers less than half of the money in hand.
Ex. Job is listed as a $200k salary, but the company is contracted with the body shop *not* the H1B worker, and the worker is actually paid closer to $40 an hour.
The body shops pocket most of the money and are making millions by essentially trafficking people.
The abuse and fraud must end!
It might help the cause more if said “big shot attorney ” would go public with it.
Whoa — $200K job and the actual worker makes around $60K (I guess depending on how many hours they work, maybe more). Well, that is evil right there!
Sounds like Unions!
Unfortunately, that is a typical markup for IT consulting firms, even for their entry level coders.
A next door neighbor of mine when I lived in East Texas informed me of this very issue taking place 6 or 7 years ago. He retired early from Oracle because of all this H1b visa crap. Said he wasn’t going to stay just to be pushed out.
The same is happening with temp agencies across the country with manual labor jobs. Most of these people do not speak English, or speak very little, and the temp agency pockets mucho dinero. No benefits have to be paid by the company, and this workforce is disposable for when there’s a downturn in work.
This is the very profitable and ‘mostly’ legal version of human trafficking.
Easy enough to fix ; visas must be applied for in person, issuance contingent upon zero fraud and revocation / deportation if fraud revealed .
Easier is no paments to a middle man.
Amen!
RT: https://truthsocial.com/users/ForestRanger/statuses/113732283187909535@realDonaldTrump Listen to these people who have been directly impacted by H1B visas. You’re wrong about this and should be demanding companies hire and train Americans – not foreigner’s. Are you going to encourage a bunch of foreign companies come here to buy up land and build their businesses here while bringing their foreign employees with them so we give them tax cuts? BS. NO TAX CUTS FOR COMPANIES HIRING FOREIGN EMPLOYEES.
@ForestRanger
@realDonaldTrump
https://truthsocial.com/@RightAllways/113732507401936522
The tech world saying they NEED the H1B to survive aee LIARS!
That is par for the course in my experience, albeit other stafes.
Four of the top 10 largest H1B visa sponsors are Infosys Ltd (rank #2,) Cognizant Technology (#3,) Tata Consultancy (rank #5,) and HCL America (#9.) All four are either based out of India or a US subsidiary of a parent company in India. All three are suppliers of temp workers or services to US companies. They have all had a history of sketchy compliance with the laws.
Amazon, Google, Meta, Microsoft, Apple and IBM are number 1, 4, 6,7,8 and 10.
https://www.uscis.gov/tools/reports-and-studies/h-1b-employer-data-hub
btw – Tesla inc employs 1,767 workers on H1B visas as of 9/30/2024
Wow! This is the mind-blower issue that I knew was waiting to explode! And explode it will! I am loving this as it will bring out the real underlying issue that has been bubbling quietly (but angrily) for years! Yes, let’s get it out for all to see!!!
Your point is very salient because this issue has been around for a long time. So the question is why now do they cause a fight with Elon and Vivek? Because they are determined to successfully implement DOGE and are being targeted by the Deep State.
This is the issue that was chosen to bring them down, even though the Uniparty has been allowing it for decades. Elon didn’t start this H1B system, but is clearly and legally benefitting from it, as our thousands of other employers. They know he’s a bit high strung and would go off when attacked, so they ignited this issue to get a reaction. Not saying he is justified on all points, but free speech allows him to get angry and curse at anyone he wants on his own platform.
Seems to me they want to marginalize these guys to stop them from letting DOGE axe govt. jobs, as he has blatantly claimed to do for months. This is a good way to get these guys to back off from their plans.
Elon was warned that he would be the next “target” and it looks like that is happening.
Elon is supposed to be so smart. Guess hes over rated.
They cannot eliminate DOGE if We don’t let them. And let’s be honest about the fact that there are multiple and many people qualified to do that job.
My goodness, the Paul family has been at this for quite some time….
Let’s get some other Americans to do DOGE.
I think the Indians should be able to code from home. After all, isn’t that one of the reasons for Starlink?
And by the way, exactly who says jobs have to be fun? Most jobs aren’t fun. That’s why they call it work.
Musk is going to tweet himself out of a job if he isn’t careful.
BE HONEST. It was way more than just a spat over visas which has been ongoing for decades. It was a lot of disgusting, racist smears, unexpected coming from so called conservatives. More in the article I posted below.
Also, My husband worked in the tech industry & talked about how frustrating it was to find qualified workers. he went to college fairs etc seeking them out, they don’t exist in quantity we need. A lack of qualified of instructors, institutions eliminating all DEI, etc., and getting all Chinese nationals OUT of our country & education & tech industry is also key as they are a national security threat.
Great perspective:
seeing his fellow DOGE-er being savaged in the comments, and noticing a lot of people were misunderstanding Elon’s point, Vivek Ramaswamy decided to spring to Elon’s defense. He landed right in the lion exhibit. Vivek uncharacteristically botched an obviously correct point about American culture not valuing STEM or academic achievement, not when compared to other cultures like Asians and (he should’ve omitted this one) Indians.
Vivek should have just said the American educational system has been hollowed out by wokeness so there are currently more good STEM graduates available from cultures that haven’t gone woke yet. But he went just that much further and things went sideways.
What followed next was some of the ugliest free speech you can imagine, with apparently respectable conservatives throwing around anti-Indian tropes so repugnant I won’t repeat them here. Think gas stations and motels and Apu from the Simpson’s and you’ll start to get the idea. People accused Vivek of racism, complained he smelled like Indian spices, and accused Vivek of wanting to replace Americans with his extended Indian family…. ~
A war against MAGA is underway, and it is disguised as a Civil War against DOGE. But who’s really behind it? ~
https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/doge-days-of-the-color-war-friday
Pointing out that India captures a whopping 75% of H1B visas while offering the world few major universities while excreting the CEOs of Microsoft and Google will indeed evoke visceral reactions.
“We NEED these workers!”
Amazing how the USA effectively had a moratorium on immigration from the mid 1920s to the mid 1960s and both became a world power and the space pioneer during that time, with a handful of German rocket scientists earning some credit therein. Sir F-your-face seems loathe to take that fact into account.
why do people go back to 20’s 30’s etc to explain what is happening TODAY?
“why do people go back to 20’s 30’s etc to explain what is happening TODAY?”
George Santayana, anyone?
Just fighting against being unburdened by the past. It’s an anti-woke thing, you know.
Probably because there is rarely anything completely new under the sun.
Because history repeats itself.
People made things to last 100 years or better from the 30s to the 60s ma’am.
Seeds planted then are being harvested now.
Sounds like he may be afflicted by ” legend in your own mind ” syndrome .
Name a racist smear and the person who said it. Hint: you can’t.
Also, your husband could have absolutely found plenty of people with qualified applications.
Just not at the cheap price his company wanted to pay.
Have someone who can read relate this article to you:
What followed next was some of the ugliest free speech you can imagine, with apparently respectable conservatives throwing around anti-Indian tropes so repugnant I won’t repeat them here. Think gas stations and motels and Apu from the Simpson’s and you’ll start to get the idea. People accused Vivek of racism, complained he smelled like Indian spices, and accused Vivek of wanting to replace Americans with his extended Indian family….
https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/doge-days-of-the-color-war-friday
So you can’t provide a person or example.
Also, you do realize podcasts are just outsized egos with a chair and a microphone and a lot of opinions, yes?
Not cited facts complete with links to demonstrable data. You know, like our good friend Sundance does.
“Your husband could have absolutely found plenty of people…” that is such an ignorant and arrogant comment. And, how do you know this? Again, in regards to recruiting overseas hospital nurses, it cost us plenty!
Neither ignorant, there are absolutely thousands of Americans with the capability to do these H1b visa jobs. There have been multiple citations regarding it all over the interwebs, combined with thousands of first-hand descriptions of this very trend.
Nor arrogant, as truth has no agenda and does not care about your feelings. It just sits there being objective truth.
There are thousands of nurses to fill jobs.
The Americans not working as nurses primarily fault the death jab required to work in any capacity of medicine.
The third world imported ones are exempt from the death jabs. How convenient.
I became an RN in 1980. From then until now, there has been a nursing shortage even with H1B nurses.
Largely, the problem with attracting and retaining nurses in the hospitals has been about shift work hours and the difficulty of meshing the work schedule with the needs of ones family.
I had to take an $18k/yr pay cut in order to change my work schedule for my daughter’s sake.
RNs and techies both use H1Bs but the realities of the two kinds of work are different.
There may be thousands of nurses to fill jobs but many of them don’t stick around at the hospital bedside. Proper staffing calls for thousands more.
If you read my comment proper, the time I referred to was several years ago when there WAS a serious nursing shortage. I was there…you were not. Simple as that…the arrogant statement still applies.
Easy. Go back to Sundances article on this issue with 1k + comments in it. Page 2 maybe. There’s plenty in there for you to choose from.
This!!
Exactly. Most leftists don’t understand economics and the concept of supply and demand – how those two graphs determine what the equilibrium price is for labor.
Offer a salary below the market for US based labor, and you won’t get US applicants, so the headline is “no US citizens available to fill those jobs”. But when that salary comes with perks for a foreign worker to be able to live in a civilized country, with a potential path to citizenship, they are willing to work for less, especially since the compensation is also much more than what they can earn at home. It is an asymmetry that the companies exploit, and it gives the latter the advantage of having an indentured servant that can’t move to another company if the work situation is unpleasant.
And you think they feel all warm and cuddly against US? They don’t. This is a real war, and there’s no room for moral preening.
Good points….i was in the hospital administration field many years ago and remember how we had to recruit nursing personnel from the Philippines, pay their way and house them, just to staff our hospital.
Heidi’s husband experienced what we did…a lack of qualified workers and educational programs here. So, those so quick to criticize either have never been in such a position to find and hire or, as suggested, are part of the war against DOGE disguised as concerned citizens.
Not true. You know it. We know it.
Why in the world would I make this up? It was true…I know it and you as sure do not. You efforts to be cute are falling flat.
It is absolutely true.
My daughter is a hospital administrator. Teagan is speaking the truth.
I would not be at all surprised if there are some Marxist lefties looking at this and immediately going to work pouring gasoline on the flame in a new line of attack on the incoming PDJT administration.
Thankfully both the President and Vice President Elect seem to be watching and considering what their message will be.
You could always do apprenticeship positions,
which would get you a stronger company because
you would have loyal employees.
Another option, you can fund programs to
educate for the skills that you require.
I guess that you would rather continue strip
mining whatever wealth is left here for your own
gain.
Yes, far easier, much more lucrative and frees you
from having any responsibility for the decline.
An added bonus, you get to continue claiming to be a “Patriot”.
Maga to me is having and being concerned for my
fellow Americans and putting that into
constructive actions.
Your attitude of ; get all that I can, can all that I
get and screw everyone else because I got mine,
sickens and disgusts me.
Nursing programs have clinical practicum requirements.
Hospitals hire upper level nursing students to work alongside mentor RNs in what amounts to internship/apprenticeship programs.
Even fully licensed new RN hires go through mentorships during onboarding with a new employer.
New graduates from nursing programs spend quite a bit of time learning and working inside teaching hospitals associates with their schools. Being a teaching environment for nursing programs is and has been the main recruitment tool the hospitals have.
Was that b4 or after hospitals forced nurses out of hospitals who wouldn’t get the covid shot?
Excellent article. That guy is on the ball, more than most bloggers out there. The rapid gut level reaction seems to be amped up by divisive and deliberate distortions of the issue at hand. That is propaganda tactics. In fact, readers should understand that the presence of that immediate gut reaction in most instances, means they are being played.
Totally agree with your statements.
I agree totally. All the manipulators have to do is engage the limbic system of the target population, which shuts down the logic centers of the brain. Then all they have to do is stand back and let the people destroy themselves.In this case, destroy the chosen way to get rid of corruption and waste, as well as the way to ensure our rights are respected,via MAGA.
My husband has a different view of the current state of things, work wise. The company hires only engineers for management positions, no matter what type. This would be good if if their specialty is something that relates to the job itself or the machinery. But what he has had to deal with is these same group of engineers deciding on procedures that lock up the equipment and cause more work for the people actually using the equipment.
Another aspect to this I think boils down to intellegance. For every 10 point difference in IQ communication becomes more difficult. By extension, the people like Musk and the others, they may really not understand the perspective of the average American worker.President Trump does, which made all the difference in the world. Perhaps him meeting with these people is about speaking to them in a way that they would understand.
One of the best and worst aspects of my life is testing in the top 2% of the population in intelligence. I get extremely tired of highy emotive and illogical arguments; eventully I will become combative if I am not allowed to walk away. I have often thought the wave of the bell curve was going to eventually crash down on me, probably in the form of a foaming at the mouth mob of neurotypicals.
I am not trying to be derisive but to point out some of the natural factors that may be involved.
Of cource, the above does not account for malice and psychopaths.
President Trump is a master of negotiations, so naturally I think the visa issues would be addressed in a manner outside of media and like all big decisions are..via limited hangouts in rooms with locked doors and no media presence.
The question is how Trump will address this. He did have employees on visas working at some of his companies yet he was the one who fights for We the People and followed though with the border wall. How he bridges the gap in his thinking may be part of his negotiation strategy.
If our education system is so horrible, why do these same countries have so many of their citizens here on education visas, attending our institutions of higher learning???
Even now, education depends highly on the people learning. If students don’t end their inquiry with the textbooks, they can still get a good education. Granted the ones that do well with this are the same ones that also tend to be very curious and those who think school/college is not the only route to learning.
Sadly after going back for more college, I became a master at completing assignments with two forms, one that my teachers would grade well and a more true and factual one for myself.
Agree. However, doesn’t change my statement. We must fix what is broken here, valuing and nurturing curiosity and teaching that the only path to learning is not school/college, not continuing down the the same path. It will take time, but it took time to get to where we are.
Many do go to university here, but they’re not wasting time majoring in design or marketing or interpretive dance, podcasting, climate/environmental salvation, etc.. they’re very focused on attaining needed/sought after skills. That’s how my husband was able to find the skilled workers he did, they still need Visa program since they aren’t native US. What’s key in KEEPING CCP OUT. Chinese nationals, they are a national security threat as detailed here:
https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/china-risk-to-corporate-america-2019.pdf/view
Not impressed with this article at all. This guy is doing PR for those two twits and down playing all the concerns of Americans in the tech industry.
He’s trying to use the people’s justifiable pent-up anger to dismiss their experiences, branding them as coming from a place of bigotry and ignorance.
There is a wide spectrum of ability that gets admitted under the H1b category.
It is up to the hiring company to make the case that the candidate under consideration
is uniquely qualified to fill a role and hence be granted a visa. And yes oftentimes this is driven by cost and the fact that such a worker cannot quit (they lose their visa status).
Once in a while you get a truly top notch candidate; other times the person is just passible — but then the role they are taking might be run of the mill as well.
But in this age of remote work, there is no reason not to hire remote workers from across the country. A master jobs/skills match database may be in order.
Trump was already a supporter of H-1B Visas, so why would Musk et. al. laud their America-hate with such flourish?
When the government efficiency experts say push Americans out of public sector jobs and grow the private sector with foreign workers because that’s how WE win, you’re dealing with narcissists.
You misspelled Communist.
I’m not sure where you got that from. His past statement on H-1B Visa’s.
“The H-1B program is neither high-skilled nor immigration: these are temporary foreign workers, imported from abroad, for the explicit purpose of substituting for American workers at lower pay. I remain totally committed to eliminating rampant, widespread H-1B abuse and ending outrageous practices such as those that occurred at Disney in Florida when Americans were forced to train their foreign replacements. I will end forever the use of the H-1B as a cheap labor program, and institute an absolute requirement to hire American workers first for every visa and immigration program. No exceptions.”
https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/statement-donald-j-trump-position-visas
That was way in the past, not his most recent, which I’m trying to find but all I’m coming up with are stories about Elon Musk.
Anyone following Trump prior to his 2016 campaign has heard him utter various opinions about H-1B and work visas in general. He’s not a fool and knows how to adjust his assessments as necessary. Trump has answered the H-1B question with support in the past and, to his credit, came out strongly against the abuse in 2016-2017.
But Trump isn’t the issue. The hubris and narcissistic arrogance of Elon and Vivek deserve this spotlight since they have opened their mouths to say insulting things and now resort to blaming MAGA for the political graves they dug.
It’s real tiresome that these people think We The People are moronic doormats. They really thought MAGA would just go along. We meant what we said on November 5th. More proof we are not the cult that blindly goes along like the Democrats.
Along that vein, MAGA could take this opportunity to remind these Technocrats the power we do have.
How, you ask?
If someone is MAGA, then simply CLOSE OUT THE TWITTER/X ACCOUNT.
If enough people were willing to sacrifice Twitter and even possibly move to Truth Social instead, then Twitter will feel some pain.
Full disclosure: I am on neither Twitter nor Truth Social.
I remember reading in Starship Troopers it being brought up the idea that scientists could run the world…and it was immediately shot down and laughed off. The technocrat mindset is precisely why that doesn’t work. These people simply see people as resources and widgets to be used and manipulated to their will. They don’t give a damn that we have a will and desires of our own.
Ultimately society in general should be symbiotic with its people not parasitic. Our government/society is VERY parasitic right now and people are finally waking up to the fact that it shouldn’t and doesn’t have to be this way. I’m very glad people are finally pushing back against these people instead of accepting Lucy pulling the football away once again.
What’s the bottom line? Greed. That powers the entire system. Trying to change it is near impossible. You always return to greed.
The Sea Island Group and/or the three-letter agencies may also be using X against Elon as well as MAGA, knowing each side would lash out in fury against each other due to perceived betrayals. As Sundance has pointed out, the Viveks and Elons have no clue as to what Americans really are, and they had no possible understanding of how MAGA would react if the H1-B issue was raised. As I am writing this, I am.now 100% convinced that this is a Psy-op by the IC designed precisely to blow up the Musk/MAGA coalition before anything can even be started!
Should your assertion be true, then it could be backfiring.
Americans are entrenched against illegal immigration and immigrants refusing to assimilate.
DOGE can be done with other Americans.
Truth Social can be the platform for tearing apart legislative bills and dispersing the info into society.
If Elon Musk wants to hire 30,000 Indian programmers, LET HIM MOVE HIS BUSINESS TO INDIA. Coding can be done anywhere. The major remuneration for these H1B’s is to essentially steal American social capital built up by AMERICANS over many generations. Our ancestors didn’t build this civilization for Musk’s Indian programmers. They built it for us. The forward-thinking civilized man plants a tree the shade of which he knows he will never enjoy, but he plants it in the hope that his children and their children will enjoy it. He won’t plant it at all if he knows it is going to be stolen.
America was a nice place to live for AMERICANS before any of these wretched corporations existed. There is very little that any of these corporations provide that we NEED, and what little is needed, rather than merely wanted, will easily be provided by real Americans. But ‘muh AI’!!! We have to ‘beat’ China and Russia!!! No. Not by globalist metrics we don’t. We win by defending and preserving our communities filled with our people.
Either you have a real country with an economy which serves the needs of the people who BELONG in that country, or you have an open-borders trade zone where everything gets commodified and transactionalized and hence becomes a cultural wasteland filled with unhappy people who have lots of cheap stuff. Do you want to live in an open-borders trade zone?
THIS IS EXACTLY WHY THE RUSSIANS ARE FIGHTING SO HARD TO KEEP WHAT AMERICA HAS BECOME OUT OF THEIR COUNTRY AND TO KEEP ‘AMERICA’s NEO-NAZI UKRAINIAN CANNON FODDER FROM GETTING NUCLEAR WEAPONS. They don’t want to bend the knee and let this globalist civilizational pattern undermine and destroy their country as it has destroyed America, Britain, France, the Netherlands, and increasingly the rest of what used to be European civilization.
It’s why Russia has a law that allows nationalization of bad faith corporations. It’s only been used once as far as I know, but knowing that the will and precedent are there keep the dyscivilizational transnational merchants in check. We could do the same thing here, except that ‘American’ transnational merchants own our corrupt politicians lock, stock, and barrel.
Yes, I agree about keeping the coders and their culture, that works for them, in India. The scammers seem to be able to reach Americans via digital means, aren’t they mostly in India?
He doesn’t have to move his business to India – he can just contract much of the work to an India-based team. That gives you a “follow-the-sun” timezone coverage. Either way, that does eliminate his advantage of having a captured labor class and the continuity that is critical to work quality. Without the clutches of H1b status, individual workers will move when they are not fairly compensated or treated well.
Fine, but what can we actually DO about it? They’re holding all of the cards, and they don’t seem to care HOW it affects us.
PS, you’ve made some great points.
Do they hold all the cards? You don’t seem to realize that the goal is to keep us cowed and cajoled onto running on the hamster wheel so they keep profiting. Leave the hamster cage in droves and start throwing sand in the machine and all of a sudden it all comes to a stop for them. They need us, we don’t need them.
Exposing them seems to be working pretty well at the moment. Elon sounds like he’s ready to take his ball and go home. Do we really want someone that is one sided in OUR Government. Could easily be a blessing in disguise.
Wish he would take his ball and go home. Can somebody call his mom and have her pick him up.
The turn-around to this situation is going to come from the countries of origin rather than the United States. The countries that are trying to compete in global markets will come to the conclusion that the US is is draining their most capable thinkers leaving them in less than optimum position. It will not be a contest to keep these people out of the US, but rather the countries of origin preventing them from leaving. Think of it as an Iron Curtain for technically creative people.
The money often returns to those countries in the from of remittances.
Won’t happen as part of the problem is that countries like India are now working to supply this export business, just as others train nurses for example for export. There is good money on both sides to be made and many overseas politicians are as much in need of money as those in the US.
Liar and a fraud and a puss.
I told ya so.
President Trump should have never accepted corrupt money from corrupt billionaires, including the childlike Elon Musk with his bizarre juvenile outbursts.
Corrupt influence and control ALWAYS follows it.
We’ve discussed that extensively in these very pages.
Anonymous Nailed It
Its Still A Magic Coffee Shop Jack!
The PERFECT cartoon for how I am feeling right about now!!!
Musk has jumped the shark. Few will be surprised.
I’m not, in the least.
Werner Von Braun wrote in his 1949 book ” Project Mars: A Technical Tale” that a guy named “Elon” and his ten person committee would rule Mars.
Elon needs to go run Mars. While still here in the U.S.? He needs to go F himself in the face.
A Billionaire temper tantrum.
“in the face….” reeks of immaturity, and low social IQ.
And for people who don’t traffick in these types of words, or images, it has no meaning….
It’s like snollygoster:
snollygoster was first used in the nasty politics of 19th century America. One amateur definition of the word dates to 1895, when a newspaper editor explained “a snollygoster is a fellow who wants office, regardless of party, platform or principles….”
Adam Kinzinger comes to mind as a flagrant snollygoster 😆
It’s a quote from the movie tropic thunder.
And the photo posted by Sundance of Musk and his H1-B hires all in their underwear is a bit disconcerting.
Any comments?
No comment needed.
I guess not…👿
The only thing missing from his pretty in pink picture is a diaper.
Love the addition to the vocabulary! Thanks.
Being a genius means often times lacking in other traits ; empathy perhaps ? Starting to show is it not ?
Apparently it also means being stupid because hes blown every bit of use we had for him.
He may return to South Africa, Go to India, or Mars for all I care. America does not need this tech hole.
““in the face….” reeks of immaturity, and low social IQ.” Anyone who does not know this about Musk, has not been paying full attention.
THUMBS UP for telling it like it is.
Elon is big mad and threatens to take his ball and go home. Priceless!!!! Dude has been living off the Gov. tit for a long time. I doubt other countries would fund his projects as much as America does.
85,000 H-1B workers are allowed each year and the companies that sponsor them do pay some fees. Perhaps not enough for this racket.
Why haven’t these Tech Companies left for China like the rest of the companies from the USA? Something is holding them back.
Oh, he won’t be going home, not to South Africa anyway. He will stay here and call us racists instead.
“I will go to war on this issue, the likes of which you cannot possibly comprehend”
This is the guy who “saved free speech” according to most of the right.
Lol. Right?
Well, this is a fine mess, isn’t it? Let it all explode all over the place. Let the light shine upon it. Let everyone’s biases be exposed. Let us get the educational system fixed. Let reasonable people see the errors of their ways and if they don’t, call them the names they deserve, so that we can actually get to where we want to be: saving the country we know and love. If MAGA is only loved by the techies because they want to continue to exploit the American people, then they need a good, long look in the mirror. There is a way and it will be found. I suggest prayer and perhaps The Ten Commandments.
Elon lied about being and H1B visa import himself. He is a South African-born Canadian/American entrepreneur who moved to the United States on an F-1 visa for education and later became a U.S.citizen.
Lying to put himself in the center spotlight.
It’s all he knows and it’s all spilling out.
Doesn’t his twat say exactly that he is here because h1b?!
Maybe he means hes here to take advantage of our h1b bull sht.
Thanks!
He keeps trying to conflate H1b with other visas.
The reality is likely somewhere in the middle.
It is not healthy for the US to completely shut down H1B and it’s not healthy to keep it at current rates either.
Further the vetting of H1B candidate could be improved.
The reality is to be great you need the best engineers and the best engineers are not all US american citizens
Therefore there must be a way for them to work for US companies
Sure maybe in 20-30 years the US has spruced up its education system to produce the worlds best engineers and intsilled in its youth a passion for engineering. But its not gojng to happen in the next 1 to 4 years.
In the meantime you want to keep a line open to attract the worlds brightest minds.
Its more of a question of vetting rather than abolishing completrely on the short term.
You said, “The reality is to be great you need the best engineers and the best engineers are not all US american citizens”, but according to Elon they only come from third world places where ‘the best’ will accept indentured servitude. Funny that.
10 years. Start in 3rd grade.
I spent my high school years in Business curriculum. And worked half day in banks and offices. Got my work card at 14. Typing license plate applications in Ohio standing up at a manual typewriter. We have dumbed down American kids so much in the last 50+ years.
How about we turn the table.
Let’s have those “brilliant” foreigners train their
American replacements.
H1bs are not the best engineers. This is the lie. They suck.
They come from unaccredited universities.
They are simply cheap
I’ve seen families go through extreme hardship cuz engineer dad had to go to another country to work and when he got there the prices of everything had been made astronomical for the American workers who couldn’t afford to send money home to support their families. Having suffered hunger and homelessness despite having a highly educated father why would any child choose to pursue that field even when that’s what the child is gifted at? Elon can bluster all he wants but we have multi-generational suffering on this issue and we aren’t backing down! We have been itching to have this conversation for decades!
Sounds like a potty mouth child. That isn’t exactly an argument made of facts proving his position will make America great again. What his argument proves is this practice has produced exactly what we are living today. Surely we can do better.
My thoughts: Building a factory in the states and importing workers isn’t much different that building the factory overseas….
Except they are using our power and resources. More demand. More cost to us.
My prior belief was that no one owns President Trump.
His silence is deafening… Mr. President , we need a Truth Social Post!!!
His silence is wise.
Let the dust settle first.
Very wise. He’s letting Elon & V swing in the wind so they know just how big we are and how united we are now.
Alas I repeat , PDJT has already stated his position on this matter . Doubtful it will change.
Sundance,
This is a great article !
You are a gem and I’m so glad that you are on our side .
You are very much appreciated !
OH, Lord! Was Biden right? Folks in buggy-whip occupations need to learn to code?
We seldom see a college or university extolling its coding curriculum. Maybe its the ugly stepchild of digital glamor.
Restricting influx is one approach, but revving up internal capacity always seems the better choice and is in line with the broader Trump economic program. No need to fight on this; work to build the capability base at home.
If their computers are smarter than us, why don’t they program them to write their own drudgery code?
Coding will not provide food , shelter, or freedom .
Tech is no longer going to answer to the older, not so touched by the H1B, but the younger work seekers who needs and wants their jobs, their place in America. Selling Americans lazy and unlearned will be challenged by the new generation that helped to put President Trump into office. Musk just said ‘f’ to the MAGA voters which in truth to President Trump. If a foreign entity wants to come to our nation, do so as all should do and that’s through proper immigration. Stop putting a red line through right and wrong simply to satisfy pockets.