For those who walk the deep weeds of internecine politics, we notice there is an influential component of the Sea Island group still at work within the GOP.
The same Republican “conservatives” who voted to suspend the debt ceiling issue for Joe Biden (Chip Roy, Thomas Massie, Nancy Mace et al), refused to stop the issue of the debt ceiling from surfacing during the Donald Trump administration.
At a certain point we must accept there are elements within the republican apparatus who intend to disrupt President Trump even though they present a false face.
The short-term spending bill has punted the issues of government funding into March 2025. The package passed 366-34, with the support of 196 Democrats and 170 Republicans.
The good news is that most of the hidden non-spending aspects were removed in the much shorter CR extension. The provisions which shielded the administrative state, approximately 1,000 pages of self-interested regulation, were removed. However, the debt ceiling conflict will rise again and could potentially present a problem because they will be attached to future legislative negotiations on Trump policy.
The House “Freedom Caucus” is essentially the voice and mechanism for the Sea Island group to disrupt MAGA plans and President Trump’s economic priorities. The Debt Ceiling is their legislative weapon, a false front technical issue to hide the Freedom Caucus intent. They justify standing against Trump by saying “fiscal conservatism”; but in reality, their history shows their vitriol only extends outwardly when Trump is in office.
The Sea Island multinational and banking group (traditional GOP control elements) are the financial backers of these anti-Trump schemes. The origin of their corporate opposition comes from the way they make money, which is not in alignment with the policy of President Trump.
The same group of influential hedge fund managers, billionaires, multinational corporations, banking groups and political operatives on K-Street who do their bidding (Chamber of Commerce, Club for Growth etc.) are/were behind the effort to lift Ron DeSantis. It is easier to reference them simply by saying The Sea Island Group. This is why we see the same names, the Ron DeSantis supporting politicians, voting against the proposals of President Trump.
They do not support the operational intentions of Donald Trump (economic nationalism), and they use “conservative principles” as the justification for their opposition. Quite simply, it is a ruse. I am sick of watching these Deceptive Conservatives create arguments amid the republican base of MAGA support who do not follow the convoluted mechanics of how they use legislation and votes (cloture) to carry out the objectives of the billionaire donor class. CTH was founded in part on this issue. We have outlined these masks for a long time.
(Via NBC) – WASHINGTON — The Republican-controlled House on Friday evening passed a short-term bill to avert a government shutdown … The vote was 366-34, with all opposition coming from Republicans and one member voting present. It capped a tumultuous week in the House that foreshadowed how the new Congress in January might deal with a mercurial Donald Trump back in the White House. A two-thirds vote was needed because the bill came to the floor under a fast-track process.
The legislation now heads to the Senate which must pass it before 12:01 a.m. to avert a shutdown.
The package funds the government at current levels through March 14, and includes $100 billion in disaster aid and a one-year farm bill — while stripping out a debt limit extension demanded by President-elect Trump earlier in the week. (read more)
These funding fights always break down to accepting a crap sandwich amid a buffet of horrible ingredients. They always suck; however, President Trump’s pragmatic optimal solution approach has always been to plough through it with as little of the crap ingredients as possible, while rapidly positioning to have the benefit of his economic policy as fast as possible.
Lastly, understand this with direct seriousness. The House Freedom Caucus (HFC) wants the Debt Ceiling fight. It is a tool they can use so they can impede the economic agenda of President Donald Trump. This same HFC will -eventually- work to STOP the Musk and Ramaswamy DOGE effort to remove the tentacles of big government.
The HFC are anti-Trump, and they will stand aghast shouting “muh principles” when you point it out; they are, unfortunately, assholes.
Could anyone name the two democrats who voted for the first? I’d like to say thanks to them.
Kathy Castor of Florida
Marie Gluesenkamp Perez of Washington
Thank you!
Welcome.
It’s easily thinkable that more surprises like that one will happen over the next four years.
Good guys finish last. I.e., there is no-one in Congress by definition.
Warning, Warning . . watch out for another plandemic.
Bird flu is on deck in the batters circle.
In another comment I suggested that Thomas Massie was my choice for Speaker.
Per the astute dissection Sundance has presented, I now withdraw that suggestion, realizing that there is no one, no voice, in that body of so called representatives of the people who put the interests of those who voted for them…nor in fact the interests of the nation… first.
I now retreat to my corner having drawn a line through yet another name of someone I thought to be something he is not.
he is a thug .. period. two faced SH***t
Shapet?
Shupot?
Shibet?
Shoult?
Not getting it.
Yes, Bet, he’s been on my list for awhile. The ‘good’ guys’ names dwindle to nearly nil.
Honor, integrity, pride of country and sense of a critical responsibility to the People no longer exist in the halls of government.
Where is Harriet Hageman, Mims? Someone I would speak up.
All is silence.
I really hope hers is a name I don’t have to draw a line through.
Yes. I would think there would be one or two out of 535 who weren’t owned, and I hear of things someone said or did that (if not faked) would take courage, but everytime I think I’ve found an un-owned Congresscritter, something like this gets pointed out.
My best hope right now is the reason we occasionally hear something good is there are a few who are only semi-owned; they are owned but their spirit isn’t crushed; they are trying to throw sand in the gears of the system they are trapped in.
There is a place for hope and optimism, but there are times to be brutally realistic. It would be dangerous to trust an owned person with an important position assuming they were only semi-owned.
One has integrity and a solid moral centre or one doesn’t, Learning. There can be no equivocation.
No one is just a little big pregnant. I hold the same to be true for those who are, as you say, “semi-owned”.
The few good or only “semi-owned” have absolutely no chance of winning a Republican caucus vote.
A little confusing for me. Massie & Tim Burchett are a couple of guys I follow on X. They seem solid. I didn’t understand Massie backing DeSantis though.
Same as Chip Roy
Chip Roy is a Bushie snake. He needs to be primaried BADLY.
Almost all of them need to be primaried.
Literal TDS.
Start with their stock investments!
Massie served in Congress with DeSantis.
Trump did not even have much of an idea who Massie was when Massie forced a vote on the enormous COVID relief package that was worked out between Mnuchin and Pelosi. The members of congress were not in DC, but were isolating from COVID in their districts. Pelosi was supposed to take the bill to the House and pass it using unanimous consent. The congressmen were not going to have to show up for work. The process was going to be very fast.
Massie returned to DC and lodged an objection. The bill had to be debated and put to a vote.
For this, Trump immediately started attacking Massie and publicly belittling him.
The same thing is happening with Chip Roy.
Massie and Trump patched things up somewhat before this budget bill. No idea where that relationship now stands.
It is easily understandable that Massie would have endorsed DeSantis early on, especially if DeSantis might have asked for an endorsement.
Sometimes Trump is his own worst enemy. He doesn’t seem to understand or appreciate the separation of powers. The members of the House are supposed to represent their constituents, not so much the president. Hopefully there would be a shared agenda, but the congressmen should not be considered subservient to the president. People in the executive branch work under the president. Members of congress do not.
Congress critters in the Republican party should back the Republican President when the people send him to DC with a mandate.
Massie is not trust worthy and not there for his constituents. He’s there for himself.
He has let us all down before. That’s how it works. They talk a good game and then when we need their vote they screw us over.
I wish President Trump, for whom my admiration is unlimited, would hold back on deprecating name calling in his posts.
He will need all the allies he can get in the four years to come, and this is no way to get them.
It’d be really great if members of CONgress represented us. It seems PT is the only who fights for us.
Those two are among the members firmly implanted, embedded deep-state players into the right-wing on the Uniparty vulture bird – it’s part of the puppet show,
it isn’t just the left-wing of that creature that has its operatives.
Disguised as upstanding, dripping with conservative values, often hiding behind the public façade of being a ‘good’ Christian (see Mike Pence, Speaker Johnson as examples) so that those who have not yet seen the strings will continue to believe these actors are the good guys.
Everyone of those Republicans that voted against the revised CR, and the one that did pass, are part of those embedded players.
They like to have lots of followers, they feed off that attention, as a vampire feeds of their victim’s life-blood.
But, that’s just the way I see who these people are; as Emerson said ‘You’re actions speak so loud I cannot hear a word you’re saying.”
The tool I currently like to use – is to ask “are the people who serve as Representatives in the House of Congress representing the values, desires, wants of their voters within their State, or are they playing world global domination games so anything the federal govt. wants vs what their constituents need is their priority in the votes, actions they take?”
“I didn’t understand Massie backing DeSantis though.”
Now you do
Per Sundance: “At a certain point we must accept there are elements within the republican apparatus who intend to disrupt President Trump even though they present a false face.” emphasis added
They are voting their own self interests and the interests of those they actually serve.
with full understanding, this bill is crap, VSGPDJT negotiated it, and Biden has to sign it!
thanks so much for opening my eyes to Chip Roy/Freedom Caucus. perhaps you have done so before? I apologize for missing it.
Yes, SD has pointed out the decepticon Roy before. You can research any of SD’s subects by entering your quest into the search bar…
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/?s=Chip+roy
SD has clearly explained the motives of the Freedom Caucus and its influence in dictating the outcomes of PDJT’s initiatives.
Wow, thx SD for an early, and unfortunate continuing way to completely wake up before fixing coffee. At least it does shorten the list of Pols I follow, now that Austin’s Chip Roy is in the same scum pond as Houston’s Crenshaw.
Brothers from a different mother…
“… they are, unfortunately, assholes.”
That’s a fine, succinct summary of 80% of the professional DC class.
80%???? That’s a good one.
That’s a little low.
Whenever a pol takes any money from a Lobbyist, they are forever beholden to them! The greed is so strong they can’t get out of their own way! It’s called “easy money”!
Your comment brought to mind an axiom from my dearly departed dad. Son, when God was making horses he made more horse’s asses than he made horses to put them on! Words of wisdom. It seems that a large number of them wind up in DC!
Not the first time Massie and Roy have shown their true colors. Roy was most surprising to me, many moons ago (but doesn’t he just love the sound of hs own voice) and looking at Massie makes me think way too readily of McConnell.
We used to say here in Texas that the most dangerous place was between Congresswoman Sheila Jackson Lee & a camera. Now that she’s passed, Chip Soy has taken over that role. He’s just like Roosterhead Trey Gowdy, all shouting & no action. A performance for the audience.
Please leave Gowdy alone.
I like the guy……since 2008 he’s been working tirelessly, to uncover the dirty deeds of O’Bama’s “Fast ‘n Furious” gun running operation.
Any day now I expect my hero Trey, to file a devastating report.
He’s only awaiting a chance with the skilled barber who can give him the perfect RoosterHead cut before his landmark performance.
Did he ever get rid of the purple tie?
xsnake…Fergot ur sarc tag…
For me I’m still waiting on the honorable Howdy Gowdy to bring Hil Clinton to justice for Benghazi – of course, what difference at this point does it make?
Another Strong worded Report.?…..Just go back and watch his questioning of Hillary during the Benghazi investigation …..He had her in a corner and then backed off. All a show. He is/was your typical RINO.
😐
So Massie, Roy and Mace voted for the Biden CR last time but now vote to shaft Trump. Their history proves they are snakes. What other members of the lower house fall into this category?
Likely, most of them….
Lets not forget “Ran Paul” Mr. no recess appointments.
You guys sound like a bunch of Trump worshippers. Please explain why putting in a debt ceiling and reducing or at least not increasing the debt is a bad thing. If you force congress to balance the budget and get rid of the nonsense spending or not be available for reelection, it would happen very fast.
Maybe you missed the fact that PDJT needs some fuel money right out of the gate to keep his promises on specific tax cuts for We the People (taxes on tips, social insecurity, overtime).
These are cuts that will, as good ones do, end up raising more revenue over time.
And I can’t blame you or anyone for missing this angle, really – I did when the porkulus was first exploded – life intervened for a couple of days.
Keeping up is work – but it’s work worth doing!
Trump worshippers you say, Tim H?
Looks like you skipped over a couple of important Sundance articles – which seems to have left you with a serious deficit of knowledge and understanding that led to your deprecative remark that you made above. So here you go, your requested explanation…
From CTH article link below:
“Our government considers tax cuts as government spending. So, if congress does $4 trillion in tax cuts, the government considers that $4 trillion in additional spending.
The debt ceiling reinitiating next year will make President Trump have to figure out how to pass the tax cuts without going over the debt ceiling and triggering a default.
By not moving the non-existent debt ceiling back two more years, the 38 “true conservatives” stopped the American people from getting more of our money returned via tax cuts and they keep more money in the government.
DOGE was planned to come in under the Trump plan to reduce the size of government at the same time ultimately addressing the issue of the 38 conservatives.”
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2024/12/20/another-debt-ceiling-debate-another-govt-funding-charade-another-looming-govt-shutdown/#more-267486
Everything Trump needs to do will be considered spending by the gov’t. With a debt ceiling, we can scratch tax relief, deportation of illegals, or whatever your particular bailiwick until Trump finds another place from which to scratch the money. Personally, I’d like to see such things start happening on Day 1. Patience is not my virtue.
Regardless if you “worship” Trump, if you want Trump’s policy proposals to see the light of day you need strategy. It should be clear “deficit hawks” will use that as a way to block Trump’s policies. The reality is Trump’s policies WILL increase the deficit. I’ve been hearing my whole life how “increase efficiency/eliminate waste” will avoid that. Ain’t going to happen.
If you are going to reduce the deficit, you need to raise taxes or cut programs. Both are very hard to do.
Donald Trump Says ‘Stupid’ Republicans Supporting CR Bill Should Be Primaried
19 Dec 2024
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/donald-trump-says-stupid-republicans-supporting-cr-bill-should-be-primaried/ar-AA1w9oiu
President-elect Donald Trump has said any Republican lawmaker who backs a continuing resolution (CR) without including an increase to the debt limit should face being primaried.
These Republican votes are just a taste of the farcical idea of a “Trump CONgress.”
If they feared being “primaried,” why would that fear only start AFTER Trump is sworn in? Because Trump and associates have a Biden dementia level memory?
We are about to see the same thing from the 20 D and F-rated RINOs in the Senate and the cabinet nominees that would seriously damage their Deep State/Blob/Big Pharma/Big Food owners.
In rare move, Republican senators call for Hegseth’s FBI report
19 Dec 2024
https://www.msn.com/en-us/politics/government/in-rare-move-republican-senators-call-for-hegseth-s-fbi-report/ar-AA1w9cng
At least a dozen senators are pushing to see the FBI’s background check on Pete Hegseth, Donald Trump’s embattled pick for Pentagon chief — a rare move for the committee that oversees his confirmation and a sign the former Fox News host still faces hurdles in the Senate.
And without line item veto capability, Trump vetoes won’t be any more useful than they usually are either.
At a certain point we must accept there are elements within the republican apparatus who intend to disrupt President Trump even though they present a false face.
Ya’ think? Isn’t that the definition of the Uniparty?
I said yesterday that Musk and Viveck should do a report on these Rinos and expose how much money they have made since they first started their careers in DC
I love Matt Gaetz’ new idea of joining the new Congress only to start the ball rolling on exposing the me-too funds. Sounds awesome…
However, if he really wanted to make it stick he would stay and follow it through, giving up his upcoming sinecure at OAN.
Too bad he’s so flighty. I don’t think he was at Sea Island…but his actions are speaking loudly again…
I thought I had saved that list. All I have is Cotton, Portman, and McCarthy.
Guess I’ll be digging in the links and archives here today.
Good Luck getting the data on that.
I want the names on the sexual abuse payoff list.
The Republicans have the majority yet the Republican Speaker relies on 196 Democrats and 170 Republicans to pass this. What’s the point of having the Republican Party?
The Republican Party needs to be destroyed.
Both parties need to be destroyed. The difference between them being that party that calls itself “Democrat” should never be allowed to rise again (wishful thinking, I know). The party supposedly representing republican thoughts and values should be rebuilt as a true representative of We the People. This is also a pipedream, unfortunately.
What suddenly brought the Dimocrats to vote so enthusiastically for this CR?
Jeffries demanded and they obeyed.
I forget who called the Gang of 4 that brought this about a law firm, but it’s memorable:
Jeffries, Schumer, McConnell, and Johnson
Also known as
Dewey, Cheatum, and Howe.
Biden is not going to carry water for them (does he even know that the gov’t might shutdown?) They don’t have a real choice.
I have a long and uncomfortable memory when Chip Roy and Thomas Massie placed their EARLY support and endorsement to Ron DeSantis for President. Trust was shattered.
Yeah, but Charlie keeps trying to kick the ball… Is that optimism, ignorance, or stupidity?
Sundance, in all your Deep Dives you’ve surely covered the background of the Sea Island Group, but I don’t have a good grasp other than they are the monied operatives behind DeSantis and are more concerned with cheap labor than national sovereignty. I’ve read, reread every Deep Dive on the IC and the silos, but would like a reference to any past articles on Sea Island.
Do a search using the Search box on the top Right hand corner of CTH home page for “Sea Island” it will bring up all articles posted over the past few years if you scroll down on the Search results.
My hope is that Musk is in this game for the long haul for America first – He has the muscle to deflate the Sea Island crowd and their elected stooges.
He has weaponized X already and through crowdsourcing on that platform can fully expose anything desired. X just has not been utilized this way before.
In theory, with the traffic this generated, other social media platforms could join in the game to gain some of the traffic.
This could be an unleashing of a new paradiegm for our Republic.
Congress could essentially find itself being exposed and held accountable by every Tom, Dick, and Jane.
Hmm….this could get very interesting indeed.
maybe their mansions should some how catch fire and burn down…
No, that almost sounds like one of those glowing wishes hoping someone will act on it.
Glow on dude
Aren’t there Navy Seals and Terminal list people that are supposed to grease these traitors and make it look like an accident? What happened to them? Did they forget about their oaths and The Seventh Fold in the American flag? Is there anyone on our side anymore? I guess this insanity will go on until we wake up one day and the country collapses like the Soviet Union and we end up with someone even worse, an American version of Boris Yeltsin selling our country for pennies on the dollar.
what is it with these wishes for violence?
Odd that Massie voted against Trump since Massie constituents voted for MAGA. Especially odd of Massie’s behavior since he boasts that he is the only member of Congress that does not have an AIPAC handler.
Cold anger.
The fact the Dems support this crap samich and it will pass the senate tells you all everything we need to know.
LET the GVT shut down on Biden’s watch, and then in 25 with the new GOP Majority in both houses return to a real budget by department for vote. It’s really that simple. I support my REP Massie on this. Times are changing and this theatre will only hasten the money “crisis” that the GOP will help usher into CBDC and then once we’re all on the digital ledger it’s over. No one seems willing to discuss this.
No one is serious getting this under control.
Guess you missed this CTH article and what having the debt ceiling in effect will mean to PDJT’s admin and all he has planned to do for US!
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2024/12/20/another-debt-ceiling-debate-another-govt-funding-charade-another-looming-govt-shutdown/#more-267486
FTA: “Our government considers tax cuts as government spending. So, if congress does $4 trillion in tax cuts, the government considers that $4 trillion in additional spending.
The debt ceiling reinitiating next year will make President Trump have to figure out how to pass the tax cuts without going over the debt ceiling and triggering a default.
By not moving the non-existent debt ceiling back two more years, the 38 “true conservatives” stopped the American people from getting more of our money returned via tax cuts and they keep more money in the government.
DOGE was planned to come in under the Trump plan to reduce the size of government at the same time ultimately addressing the issue of the 38 conservatives.”
no I didn’t miss that article. I still stand by my post.
Sadly, Speaker Mike Johnson sold out President Trump and gave the sword of dammacles to Chuck Schumer by NOT eliminating the debt ceiling requirement. Now, when the debt ceiling requirement comes up in March or June or whenever it does, the Democrats and Rhino Republicans have a way to extract something from PDJT in exchange for approving his key agenda components like tax cuts. Mike Johnson must be replaced with a speaker who has the spine to drive and get approved PDJTs agenda through congress.
They just handed Trump a way to BLAME CONGRESS for the delays.
Americans already hate Congress and will be further enraged that the removal of tax on tips has intentionally been delayed or taken away.
IMO that keeps support behind Trump.
Perhaps we will keep saying: These people just don’t understand the new NORMAL.
[…”already hate Congress and will be further enraged that the removal of tax on tips has intentionally been delayed or taken away.”] –but the media won’t report it accurateky and will place blame on DJT; sadly it will fool 90%(?)
Remember that Justin Amash was a “principled conservative” until he was outed by MAGA. The battles continue.
Well, I confess that they fooled me with the name : House Freedom Caucus.
I really did think they were the good guys.
Bravo to Trump for getting them confirmed as against MAGA.
My one concern is that they can effectively divide MAGA/MAHA with their CONSERVATIVE PRETENSE.
They really are for the destruction of our America and for a One World Government.
They all get primaried.
It is so disheartening that the freedom caucus is another leg of the swamp.
Didn’t most of them come in on the tea party
More lies and manipulations. And this is not just the demonrats, this is the System.
After Lying That Trump Wants to Cut Social Security, Dems Rush Bill That Will Cut Benefits – Need Biden to Sign Before Trump Arrives | The Gateway Pundit | by Samuel Short, The Western Journal
I’m sorry, but I have to disagree. I see nothing but “Trump has to be right, no matter how wrong he seems to be” arguments here. The debt ceiling was implemented as a pat on the head to deficit hawks; it’s a great thing in theory, but pointless when the answer is always “raise it.” Instead of cutting spending, we get a repeating cycle where we hit the limit, there’s a knee-jerk “we’ve got to raise it, but then we can get after the spending” response, and the stumbling march to the fiscal cliff continues.
Chip Roy is a big reason the absolute mess that Mike Johnson spent months crafting got shot down. Instead of having a healthy public debate involving all of congress this fall, he spent his time in a back room with Schumer, McConnell, et al uniparty power brokers. He was expecting to pull the same stunt and steamroll it through at the last minute. He probably would have, except it would have hurt his chances of remaining speaker. I used to think Newt Gingrich had some sense, but I recently heard him praising Johnson. Maybe he came in on the right track 30 years ago, but only a swamp creature could ignore such unabashed swamp tactics.
What needs to happen is the debt ceiling is never raised again. Let the crisis come: we all know there’s enough fat to be trimmed, time to force the swamp crybabies hand. The problem with the DOGE team is most of them seem fine with debt, and they ignore the fact that we’re in Wile E. Coyote territory, having run off the cliff and suspended by blind faith. The suggestion that the economy will come roaring back and fix everything is complete pie in the sky, and it loudly echoes the thinking that brought us here (Keynesian economics on steroids). First the uniparty-D went all in on it, and now 80% of the uniparty-R wing is into it too – despite the basic principle having been tried and failed more consistently then communism.
Maybe the whole thing is a charade, but if so, why are Trump and the DOGE team the ones trying to apply what looks like the same old veneer. Chip Roy was on with Glenn Beck (who was more in the “ok, we’re bankrupt, but maybe if we pretend a little harder” camp), and if he’s just gaming, he’s doing a better job of it than anyone. Some of the other names (Nancy Mace, for one) are in fact loose canons and attention whores – but lets not throw the baby out with the bath water. The uniparty-R mouthpieces (Hannity, Levin) have been all over Chip Roy, which tells me he’s over the target. When I’m faced with one guy saying “we’re in trouble, and we need to stop this debt circus” and another recycling the “we need more debt, then we can fix it” line I’ve heard all my life, I’m going with the first guy every time.
Hmmmm…. You make some good points.
Not only anti-Trump, but anti-American.
The US gubmint is truly an enemy of the people.
I do wonder if some of those who voted against this bill had good reasons for doing so–not necessarily defending sea island. Does anyone know if funding and regulation mechanisms for the digital passports was removed from this bill?
The government is run by those who ran for office. No one else gets in, it’s not an oligarchy. As long as Treepers choose only to leave comments and not run it won’t improve.
Democracy breeds egomaniacal frauds, which is what we have now. Will a few readers here put themselves up for election and Make That Change?
The logical conclusion is that the 34 hard core, anti-Trump Republican representatives can easily sway PDJT’s legislative agenda toward Democrat preferences, or scuttle it altogether.
Good to know ahead of it happening to avoid the stress of having high expectation dashed.
According to Tom Deweese, Chip Roy and Mike Lee sponsored the Defund Act, which would get our country out of the U.N., which I am all in favor of. I think that took some courage.
“The House Freedom Caucus (HFC) wants the Debt Ceiling fight.”
They are old generals fighting a new war. They don’t get their old tricks are not working.
Yes, they are successfully throwing sand in the gears. They think few will notice. They think they can put out flyers with fiscally conservative bullet points and get re-elected.
But….
Bottom line,
….if Trump can’t remove the tax on SS …they will be held accountable.
They are so screwed if that happens.
I only read Sundance every morning, but that mostly is yesterdays news.
I rarely comment. And very rarely see who commented on my comments.
With that said, I’m going to try to look back onto this post just to understand what is going on.
Is it possible that they only voted without the debt ceiling because they knew that it wouldn’t pass the senate?
meaning that because we won’t have control of the senate until January. They didn’t want to shut down the government because they didn’t want to have President Trump lose any political capital?
I’m just playing the devils advocate here and trying to understand, not trying to defend anyone.
Trump is playing chess and congress is playing checkers. First he got them to truncate a lot of the original bill out, which they will get NO credit for. Now he has several months to examine, put on targeted billboards, and media ads the parts they left in, thus blaming the RINOs and Dems (same thing – greed personified) for specific issues in specific places. He and Elon were not kidding about primaries. Utter genius, another one is coming soon and there will be no sneaking in the bloat and pork.
Vote for Trump was vote for change.
MAGA is not about unity if unity does not disrupt the status quo.
Unify for change or be voted out of office.
Hmm! So now HFC is the Sea Island Group and Speaker Johnson who tried to push a 1500 page bill until we the people rose up & said Hell F..ing no! Then what looked like we were going to get our other demand of single subject bill votes, well it lasted about 10 minutes with Spkr Johnson & Uniparty who is committed to the Ukraine $$ laundering, hooked up with Hakeem, Schumer, McConnell/Thune to get all democrats to vote for the new all in one bill, minus the debt ceiling suspension /extension, which is a bunch of BS anyhow because if congress actually acted on our demands of cutting spending, shutting down these damn weaponized agencies like IRS, FBI & EPA etc their be no need to worry about debt ceiling, but now the 38 are the bad guys when even DJT said if ya can’t get debt ceiling issue resolved than shut it all down, and that would have been best solution to this $h!thole DC