With around 50 days remaining to stir up as much trouble as possible, and with around 50 days of strategic activity left in order to Trump-proof the UE coalition of the NATO alliance, the U.K and France are in “classified” discussions about sending their troops into Ukraine before President Trump takes office.
It should be remembered that President Barack Obama did not want to intervene in Libya, circa 2011. That was a decision made by The U.S. State Department and CIA, pushed by Hillary Clinton, Samantha Power and Director Leon Panetta, and ultimately, militarily, executed by NATO Commander Admiral James Stavridis. And yes, Libya was not a threat to NATO…. but it happened anyway.
The U.K recently signed a mutual defense agreement with Moldova, promising to come to their aid if conflict with Russia escalated into the country. Now we see reports of the U.K traveling to France to create a two-party coalition within the larger NATO assembly, intended to send military troops into Ukraine.
Is an attack against allied troops analogous with an attack against a NATO member? Before you answer that question, remind yourself of the justification for the reference Libya intervention, the infamous “Responsibility To Protect” or R2P. Now, using that framework, revisit the question. I digress.
Le Monde – […] As the conflict in Ukraine enters a new phase of escalation, discussions over sending Western troops and private defense companies to Ukraine have been revived, Le Monde has learned from corroborating sources. These are sensitive discussions, most of which are classified – relaunched in light of a potential American withdrawal of support for Kyiv once Donald Trump takes office on January 20, 2025.
The debate about sending troops to Ukraine, which French President Emmanuel Macron initiated at a meeting between Kyiv’s allies in Paris in February, was strongly opposed by some European countries, led by Germany. However, it was relaunched in recent weeks thanks to the visit to France of the UK prime minister, Keir Starmer, for the November 11th commemorations. “Discussions are underway between the UK and France on defense cooperation, particularly with a view to creating a hard core of allies in Europe, focused on Ukraine and wider European security,” confided a British military source to Le Monde. (read more)
Almost all modern “western” wars are bankers’ wars. To understand the activity, it is worth paying attention to who is the benefactor and who is the beneficiary in the Corporate/Government relationship.
History does not always repeat; however, it is almost guaranteed to rhyme.
My opinion is that we have zero responsibility to protect or defend any nation that is involved in offensive actions against Russia.
NATO is a defensive treaty not a guarantee of defense for bullies.
Period.
EXACTLY
Not to mention that Ukraine is not even in NATO.
Neither is Moldova.
Not should it ever be…it has utterly failed its 35 year test of Sovereignty.
Well France & GB are & if they send troops & face subsequent Russian retaliation then NATO will attempt to drag us all in.
Yeah, let’s not pretend NATO expansion and offensive posturing isn’t the cause of all of this. Or that the US CIA didn’t topple Ukraine’s elected government in order to enable all of this to happen.
I’m not pretending that didn’t happen but I refuse to participate based on my gubmint’s past criminality.
Bravo!
These European countries are nuts!
FEED THEM to the Russian ‘squirrel’
Looking to extend the Marshall Plan another 8 decades.
They are indeed nuts. All their bull 💩 posturing about the Climate Change existential threat…and now they want to start a nuclear war.
WEF – we want to decrease the world’s population down to 500,000. They would prefer to rule over ashes than have their power stripped away.
In the meantime, a petition is circulating in the UK.
The electorate want a “do over”.
The tally so far is approaching 2.5 million signatures, with thousands more being added every hour.
This will be debated in Parliament as any petition over 100,000 signatures is mandated to be so addressed.
Unless Starmer, Stalinist despot that he is, along with his entire cabinet, decide to ignore this requirement. Mass arrests of the British public are no doubt on the table.
What was a vote meant to serve as a rebuke to the Tories for their authoritarianism and fiscal/monetary ineptitude has delivered a warmonger who has put the whole of the UK at existential risk.
There are no sane voices….anywhere.
Yes… and it’s very alarming. Just 2 months to go.
I hope we make it in one piece…
I signed.
I was an expat there for two decades, Karin. I’d sign, too, were I still there. God bless you and the British people whom I love so much 🙏🏻
Good assessment. Desperate attempts to rescue their despicable & derelict “leadership” & help achieve agenda 2030 by wiping out as much of the west’s collective populations as possible as fast as possible.
If they’re not more careful, they’ll be ahead of schedule on depopulation, Mom.
Waaaaaay ahead.
As long as they go 1st…
I’m good with that 👍🏻
The UK has no solution, both the conservatives and the liberals are globalists, remember that it was the false conservatives who let in all those Africans and Muslims to replace the whites.
No solution on this that is timely anyway.
I don’t have to remember the other. Enoch Powell warned in the 60s. I lived there for two decades and watched it pick up speed. We have family and dear friends there still.
The face of Britain has been completely altered permanently, and not for the better or the benefit of its citizens. Not to mention the maniacal adherence to sickening ungodly ideologies, enforced by government diktat,which at least we now have a chance to rid ourselves of.
The worst of this happened after we left in 2006…and yes, both Labour and “Conservatives” are equally guilty in that country’s demise.
Farage’s Reform Party’s time may be about to come. Hope it’s not too late but fear it is.
Yes Betsy. Thank for your continued input.
One other thing you should be aware of.
The people over here have been completely brainwashed and gone over to the satanic side.
Just last month a survey (I know, I know – surveys!) showed that 90% of Labour voters thought President Trump was literally Hitler.
70% of so called Conservative voters thought the same.
It is impossible to find any positive coverage of your great President in Europe. except perhaps among my golfing companions.
The situation in mooslime supporting Ireland is even worse.
So let our idiot leaders start ww3 and I hope America lets them stew in Thanksgiving gravy.
God bless America and President Trump
This is why they’re bigging up the “fight Russia” talk. As a distraction.
It’s an old trick pretty much all the UK prime ministers since Blair have had their own “Russia hoax”.
Starmer is trying hamfistedly to shift domestic narrative, whilst keeping the Ukrainian suckers fighting a little longer because of sunk cost & vague hope of a battlefield miracle.
However rest assured Britain, has no army to send nor any other Euro-NATO countries singley or combined. To take on Russia.
The USA *is* NATO military power to a ridiculously lop-sided degree.
The Euros can’t fight on their own and can’t even invest to do so in the future.
I’ve left an article on page two, Squirrel. It has a short video, complete with characteristic Brit sarcasm, from a Dr Mark Felton which outlines just how incapable in every way Britain is for what they are tempting.
Most European countries don’t want a war with Russia 🙁 to defend French interest in Africa from China/Russia commercial encroachment!
My opinion is that, in addition, the United States has a responsibility to withdraw from any organization that unilaterally works contrary to the best interest of America. That would be NATO in this case and the U.N. for the last 50+ years.
Did BlackRock fund the Trump assassination attempts?
Both assassins were in Blackrock videos.
BLACKROCK owned or was heavily invested in the AGR farm building in Butler,Pa.
Deeply troubling connections. Reminiscent of the peculiar if not curious ownership of the Texas School Book Depository in Dallas, TX.
Starmer’s new BFFs.
Which could account for a lot.
Many say we have already entered WWIII. This evil regime would think nothing of ensuring that we are irreparably committed to the kinetic part of it before Donald Trump re-enters office, especially if it can mess up his presidency, his plans, in both domestic and foreign affairs.
I heard an interview a few days in which it was reiterated that the forces that begin a war cannot control it after it starts: It will be worse, bigger, longer,more expensive, more devastating. Those who push this will not be able to control it, though they may imagine that they can.
These steps will be recorded into history if we get to the point of calling it WW3.
Some people called WW2 “the good war” but in the case of the potential WW3, I don’t think anyone will be willing to call it anything but “The Evil War.”
Additional thoughts on war… I have three sons…. two “too old” but one just turned 18. The question is how that law of “only child” applies. He’s my third son but my wife’s only son and we’re not having any more. Also, he’s a bit of a “special needs” type but not entirely hopeless either. How “safe” is he?
No more safe than the rest of us because those evil people will start nuclear war which will last approx 15 minutes and most of the world will be dead.
As for your concept of WW2 being a ‘good’ war, Russia lost 27 million people killed and Russians call it ‘The Great War’.
No war is ‘good’ just as there is no such thing as ‘tactical nukes’.
The western world only will be dead. The NWO hates people like us.
Russians call it the Great Patriotic War.
Just plain Patriotic War was already used-1812.
So to distinguish..guess that is why Great
was used 🤷♀️ 💁 ?
Great Patriotic War (term) – Wikipedia
☝️ ☝️ ☝️
All world wars were bad and unavoidable. No more genocidal European Wars!!!
I have four teenage grandsons, not yet old enough to be drafted. But I don’t want to see them fighting a proxy war in Europe.
Don’t mean to be cruel but see McNamra’s 100,000. In a bind, being a grunt infantryman is a pretty low bar. I was one and trained with some of those 100,000.
“Those who push it will not be able to control it.”
Those corporations don’t really care if they can “control it”. They understand their profit margins and shares will go up not matter what. The Rothchilds and bankers have been funding both sides of wars for hundreds of years.
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Kyle Anzalone at Antiwar reported:
“Western officials” don’t know their *sses from a hole in the ground. Pols and their kids must be placed on the ‘front lines’ prior to ANY war-like decisions/actions.
Oh @#$%&*!
War is extremely expensive.
Who is financing it ?
I am not.
Trust God. Fear not.
It is naive to think you know where and how your tax dollars are spent.
you should know better-B A N K S T E R S…..
Well, if you’re an American taxpayer, I think you most likely are.
https://nypost.com/2024/11/23/business/janet-yellen-exiting-office-leaving-mess-behind-for-trump-team/
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That’s not a mess, imho. Sounds good. She’s an idiot, and DJT, I think, already has his team picked out.
Pray, hope, and don’t worry!
Saint Padre Pio
Some are only forced to wear purple ties!
Color of the Phonecians / Carthaginians – Moloch / Baal.
Yeah stop pretending and let’s “be in war.”
I tend to think they will be overstepping in a very big way. The public awareness of the “business of war” is a major shift I think will catch politicians off-guard.
While I have a co-worker who is “eastern european” and says she has “polish, ukraine and russian blood” she really doesn’t seem to know or understand much other than “Putin-man bad.” She does know of Azov battalion and doesn’t seem to have an opinion on the ethnic Russian regions of Ukraine and how Azov would launch deadly attacks into Donbas and previously Crimea. I pointed out “Azov is still a part of the Ukraine military isn’t it? Doesn’t that mean the government of Ukraine is attacking its own people for the crime of being Russian?”
I didn’t bother going into NATO expansionism. She would probably be too afraid to discuss any such thing.
Point is, a lot of people “from there” really don’t understand… but then again, the US Revolution happened with only about 10-15% support of the people the way I hear it.
Nothing is different now then it has been for the last 4 yrs. Unelected trash pushing to make bank for their globalist puppet masters. The Demented Fraud is as clueless now as he has been about everything except sniffing little girls
“thAn” has a totally different meaning thAn “thEn”.
Russia is not the bad guy .
As in virtually every instance, communism is the “bad guy.”
Lawless, Godless ghouls, bent on taking the rest of us to Hell with them.
Pray to God to forgive and protect us.
Pray for the communists’ salvation, too. 🙏🏻
The communists are in DC, Davos, Paris and London. They are no longer in Moscow.
I have no doubt that Blinken, Sullivan, Nuland and Haines would absolutely love Russia if the Communists were still in charge there!
There were fewer convinced communists in the late Soviet central committee in the 80’s.
Than there are in the UK Labour party’s senior ranks, right now.
Keir Starmer was/is a Pabloite a variety of communism so niche & obscure, damn near no-one has head of it.
Sort of esoteric Trotskyism with Red Brigade crap and stewed with other radical euro nonsense.
Don’t forget the one in Mahtha’s Vineyahd.
Pure quest for power to directly control the lives of the people for the worst. The only smiles on the faces of the people under communism are those required of the people… and in the case of N.Korea, I’ve never seen such terror expressed with a smile before.
I have yet to hear the people on the left in the US utter a single word of condemnation of N.Korea’s situation.
Exactly who are the “communists” you are
referring to……
Unbelievable how many ignorant people were
making comments when Russia-Ukraine conflict
started and were saying…
Russia is communist 🤣🤣🤣😬🙄🙄🙄😵💫🥴
It was embarrassing.
The Russian Federation isn’t ‘communist’. Europe with the undemocratic EU and UK with the globalist EU adjacent political class is the new USSR. Socialist biosecurity police States, no nationalism allowed!
You mean like the communists in DC, right?
The UK and France probably think once they’re involved it would be no issue to shame America into joining them.
UK did it before so they think they can do it again. Our politicians won’t accept the public mood has changed. Time the pols experienced some of Schumpter’s creative destruction.
If they try to push a war with Russia day one Trump should just pull us out of NATO, full stop. Leave the rest of them holding the bag of ***t while we pull our forces out of Europe.
Yep.
Pull out of NATO and the UN!
Yes. Today isn’t soon enough.
Good idea..or not 🤔🤔
UN is run by US.
Just the location tells the World…We are in Charge🌍
Our control is rapidly declining for many reasons.
That BRICS will eventually begin its own International
Organization similar to UN …has/is being discussed as
possibility. And countries invited to join…..
And US will NOT be part of it? 🤷♀️💁♀️
How about the new location being in Kazan?
Food for thought.
Get us out of Germany as well!
It’s been my contention that since the fall of the USSR, every single overseas military base we occupy should have been shut down, our troops and equipment brought home and those assets put to work guarding both our borders.
If the British and the Europeans want to start a war with Russia, let them suffer the consequences. No more US blood and treasure should be given for their stupidity.
Already being spilled.
Agree!
👏👏👏
No Foreign Aid
No Foreign Military Aid
Period.
AMERICA 🇺🇸 FIRST
That would lead directly to:
No US military sales to Europe at huge cost to the US
NATO has its benefits!
What Military sales are you referring to? Just asking.
Are you referring to US made weapons. Where will they buy weapons? From China that is also supplying Russia with weapons?
Russia is currently producing three times more
than U.S. and NATO…combined. 💥All on their own.
Exclusive: Russia producing three times more artillery shells than US and Europe for Ukraine | CNN Politics ☝️ ☝️ ☝️ ☝️
This was known for quite some time before CNN actually
admitted it. Other articles out there.💁🤷♀️
Many believe it is closer to six times.
We do have plans to increase capability, but will
take ….many years…for us to reach even half of
the current capability of Russia that Russia now has.
Then all the time we will be reaching half…
Russia will also be increasing.
That is why continuing the conflict in Ukraine has been
such a tragedy.
Has been such stupidity!
Our stockpile is lower than most admit.
The technology that Russia now has..
example ..Oreshnik and even hypersonic
Kinzhal is more advanced than US.
We don’t even have hypersonic yet, nor
any AD to counteract them.
Patriot systems are outdated.
THAAD is outdated
Russia AD systems appear to have been
improved to extent our systems are basically ….
obsolete.
Russia produces three times more arms and munitions
than U.S. and NATO…combined.
Truth of the matter. 💁🤷♀️ our MIC has placed sales (profit)
above product.
Instead of emphasis on the protection and defense of OUR 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 Country,
it has focused on how much money it ..and shareholders can make.
😡 😡 🤬 🤬 🤬
The business model of profit before product of MIC
must be changed, or we will be further behind.
Our Corrupt Politicians have allowed this to happen.
They appear to have failed their oath..
To Defend and Protect the United States of America 🇺🇸 🇺🇸🇺🇸
The only folks that would be losing out on the US not selling weapons would be the recipients of those weapons.
Countries in NATO and EU need to grow up and take care of themselves.
Those countries can PAY for those weapons instead of the American taxpayers.
How about that?
Plowshares
RUSSIANS NEED MORE TESTING BY- ORESHNIKS/HAZEL……
The video of that testing..
💥 💥 just…no words. 😳😳
Those bases were won or paid for fair & square.
They enable us to exert force around the world as we think necessary.
And put them on our southern border to stop the invasion.
Instant impeachment and conviction. “Abandoning our allies”
How much better would it be to negotiate immediate truce and use that time to prosecute the deep state who brought us to the brink of global war.
Yeah, impeachment isn’t going to work anymore. You’d see a major surge of people protesting and melting congress phones to stop the forever wars. People are fed up. The idiots in DC are going to keep pushing to see what they can get away with but they’ve already gone too far. SCOTUS was trying to save their dumb***es and they are going to end up finding out what it was like to be the French aristocracy circa the late 1700s.
Under such circumstances, I don’t think the government actors and interests will even CARE what the public thinks or says. They would just do it and not worry about consequences.
We don’t have any allies.
Only interests.
How much free money do WE get from other
Countries?
That answers the questions.
Interests VS. Allies
Nailed it!
What do you mean “IF”…. ‘they’ are ‘pushing’ NOW, and there are still roughly 60 days before any Sanity returns to the White House.
He cannot pull out of NATO, Lil’ Marco made sure to pass legislation in the 2023 NDAA to prevent it.
Makes you wonder if either Starmer and Macron will be around in fifty days.
Starmer’s approval rating is absolutely tanking.
A ground war in Ukraine will make it worse.
I don’t know why these whack job lefties think committing ground troops will unify their countries. It will not.
I hope Donald Trump comes out with a statement saying he is concerned about the potential escalation by NATO countries. Any country escalating the war will not be seen favorably by the new administration.
That alone should signal times are a’changing.
“I hope Donald Trump comes out with a statement saying he is concerned about the potential escalation by NATO countries.”
Wouldn’t this violate the Logan Act?
“The Logan Act (1 Stat. 613, 18 U.S.C. § 953, enacted January 30, 1799) is a United States federal law that criminalizes the negotiation of a dispute between the United States and a foreign government by an unauthorized American citizen.” ~ Wikipedia
Making a statement as an American citizen with our 1A rights should not be an issue. He is not negotiating.
He is the president-elect. He’s been making similar statements on all kinds of policy stances.
He is in politics.
The UK and France are talking tough, like it is 1724 instead of 2024.
France, the white flag brigade, should have lost ALL say in world affairs.
Two total F*GGOTS tittering.
Not necessary, please edit your comment
The stakeholders in this war are too far invested to let the will of the voters in the US and across Europe to get in their way.
Any guesses as to what the false flag incident to trigger WW3 will look like?
We will know when we see it?
My fear is that it’ll be an event directed at American troops, so as to convince the American people that we need a massive retaliation.
I wouldn’t put anything past the monsters pushing this war.
Like the US base in Poland Putin mentioned the other day?
I’m sure Putin is still remembers we took out a lot of Russians in Syria. Estimates range between 200-300.
https://time.com/5237922/mike-pompeo-russia-confirmation/
Yep,
Wagner personnel, but Russians nonetheless.
As far as I’m concerned, they are on their own. I will not support our country, the USA, getting involved in this insane action under any circumstances. I’m tired of sending our young men and women to fight stupid useless wars. I am old enough to vividly remember the Vietnam war days in the sixties.
The old Canal Zone used to have training bases for the jungle warfare school…
Lost count of how many times I have
written…Mission Creep… in the last
2.5 years.😬
Thanks for keeping us up to speed on whats going on behind the curtain .blessings to you and yours Sundance be well
R.D.
Go ahead, send in those poorly trained and equipped NATO troops…I’m sure Putin is shaking in his boots.
It’s almost as if they don’t believe the coordinates for London, Paris and Warsaw, you name it. To say nothing of the U.S. are pre-programmed for RU first or second strike capabilities.
They aren’t all going to make it underground. The fools.
Any survivors should pile cement over the bunker exits for starters. If the hidden come out to a devastated world, what have they won?
Ukraine explained in 1 minute:
Excellent.
Watched it earlier. Sad for the dead & their families on both sides caused by CIA, banks, & corporate greed. There will be a day of reckoning.
I encourage people to watch that entire interview.
https://rumble.com/v5k3muh-former-cia-officer-amaryllis-fox-kennedy-iraq-jfk-and-everything-else-our-i.html
Trump will just bring them hone again.
Seems President Trump might very well pull out of NATO since its become an entity for endless wars.
Oh but he cannot.
Our soon to be SoS Lil’ Marco joined Timmy Kaine in passing legislation through the 2023 NDAA to prevent any President from doing so.
Perhaps but every law can be reversed by other lawmakers.
Orrrrrrr…..PDJT declares a state of emergency!
As the world turns.
You’re thinking the neoliberal neocons that passed the law are going to spontaneously reverse themselves?
DJT is nothing if not an expert at finding solutions.
Prayers from patriots wouldn’t hurt either!
We can easily remain a member and remain inactive.
I simply hope that Putin continues to be the creative grown-up in the room. Yes, these moves must be answered. But, they don’t need to know when or how …
No nation understands what “real war” actually is, and what it costs, better than Russia. Who paid by far the greatest price in WW1 & 2. These Fools haven’t a clue.
Every time I hear some simpleton bad mouth Putin, I know they have no idea what they’re talking about beyond legacy media talking points.
Yep. And, he won’t allow foreign adoptions to any country that engages in trans-sexual mutilation procedures. Iirc, I think he’s outrighted banned US adoptions of Russian minors?
Russia banned US adoption in 2013.
The story of child adopted from Russia who
died in US after dying from heat after adopters
left her in car. I believe it happened in VA.
Was part of basis used for Russia to pass the law.
Understatement!
Putin did invade Ukraine, which the soviets occupied & starved the natives previously. He’s not a good guy. Neither is our present administration.
The French and the British colluding to start a third world war. The irony is so thick you can cut it with a knife.
Lots of column inches and airtime today in the UK press re one British ex soldier who became a mercenary for Ukraine and who was captured unharmed in Kursk by the Russians.
Extrapolate that forward to green British units facing hardcore experienced Russians. Units having to operate without their ‘normal’ helicopter and artillery cover with armour that Russian drone operators make mincemeat of. Plus the resultant bodies coming home only courtesy of the Christianity of the Russians.
The Press would have a field day. The Labour Government is in deep PR trouble already, even though its only been in office for 6 months. This could finish them off.
The working class 18 to 25 year olds are still angry about being locked down for the Covid scam. They aren’t going to sign up to fight which is why I expect there will be a big push for conscription and that will go down like a lead balloon in England.
That push already begun politically and in various eu country media over the summer.
Smedley Butler’s War is a Racket. Still as true as when it was written. If you have not read it then you should.
“I wouldn’t go to war again as I have done to protect some lousy investment of the bankers (or defense contractors or money launderers) . There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes (homeland, borders) and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.”
– General Smedley Butler, USMC. General Butler was one of the few Americans to be twice awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor.
NATO is not a suicide pact. If two members go and pick a fight, we don’t have to all die together.
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Opinion: these are horrible people scheming to inflict mass casualties on humanity. Psychopaths play “chicken” with nuclear weapons and other peoples’ children.
These sociopaths are unable to comprehend the utter disgust the majority of folks have for them.
Most folks I speak with support Putin over Macro, Starmer or our feckless child Trudeau, and may get a surprise when the people turn on them.
Cheers!
If so, how do they get elected? Cheating?
For those who haven’t yet watched it yet:
https://rumble.com/v103k2j-all-wars-are-bankers-wars-2016.html?mref=6zof&mrefc=3
Along with an insightful synapsis by Dr. Mercola
https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2023/10/21/all-wars-are-bankers-wars.aspx?ui=9f3003b620166ae1734e80aaf7ea76ede2744ee31a895688b2cf76eb4f77bdb4&sd=20210703&cid_source=dnl&cid_medium=email&cid_content=art1ReadMore&cid=20231021&foDate=false&mid=DM1480219&rid=1943899489
When I talk to people about the evil government does in order to support big enterprise business people have a lot of trouble believing it. Then I tell them about the East India Company. Some may have heard of it and begin to see how what we see today isn’t entirely “new.” But others don’t and most won’t even read the wikipedia about it.
I find when you point to certain realities of things like “weaponized government and law enforcement” have history right here in the US, then it becomes easier to understand how it could exist today. I always start out by explaining “none of this is entirely new.” This defeats a lot of barriers in helping people to understand.
Insanity as nato has lost. The new Russian hypersonic missiles killed nato and the rest of this is absolute craziness. No way to win such a stupid offensive/war.
Wars aren’t for WINNING. If you don’t understand that, then you fundamentally do not understand war.
…TO ENRICH BANKSTERS/POLITICIANS/MIC………
If NATO soldiers fall in a non-NATO forest, does it still make a sound?
Yes.
That of a cash register.
“It should be remembered that President Barack Obama did not want to intervene in Libya, circa 2011. That was a decision made by The U.S. State Department and CIA, pushed by Hillary Clinton, Samantha Power and Director Leon Panetta, and ultimately, militarily, executed by NATO Commander Admiral James Stavridis. And yes, Libya was not a threat to NATO…. but it happened anyway.”
It should also be remembered that Obama did not want to send more US troops to Afghanistan than the 45,000 he inherited from Bush, but the Pentagon talked him into increasing that 45,000 to just under 100,000. They had wanted 150,000.
The Pentagon didn’t talk Obozo into anything.
Slamming the “US military” again.
The IC did it as Obama and the Pentagon are both beholden to the IC.
Rat ba$turd$ !!!
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https://www.theburningplatform.com/2024/11/25/orban-says-europe-cannot-defeat-russia-without-america/
….”Orban is worried about what Joe Biden may say in the months leading up to Trump’s inauguration,
adding
that every sentence
must be carefully thought out over the next two months
and
“common sense must prevail,
otherwise
there will be trouble.
Contrary, he warned that 👉🏻leaders
👉🏻must listen
to what Putin is saying
as in Russia
👉🏻“if the president says something, it is not just babble.”
Europe cannot defeat Russia with America!
Given the US is the main player, I’m thinkin’ it’s out lived it’s usefulness, time for the United States to withdraw and build our military.
Russia not so much a threat as China. Other NATO nations have gone woke and we should hold no allegiance to back stabbing third world nations. Full stop 🛑
We drove Russia into an alliance with China. Whereas Russia wanted to align with the West as first choice.
Shameless! They aren’t even trying to propagandize patriotic furor amongst the cannon fodder. After you, gentlemen. Charge right in, we’ll see you later.
Russia will simply install Turbochargers on their meat grinders if NATO sends troops to Ukraine.
Ukraine has lost 65000 troops since May of this year. NATO troops will fare no better. NATO troops will be fighting with the same obsolete junk weapons Ukraine is using. Weapons that Russia easily has developed counter measures for.
How long would the populations of NATO countries and the USA, tolerate a never ending parade of coffins and maimed solders coming home from the front? Casualties of a Loosing war so that Blackrock, and the MIC can profit.
In July 2022 Putin offered up his personal invitation for NATO to join in the battle.
“Today we hear that they want to defeat us on the battlefield. What can you say? Let them try, Everyone should know that, by and large, we haven’t started anything yet in earnest.” Putin said.
That invitation still stands. I fear that NATO is foolish and stupid enough to take him up on his invite.
Yup. Agree!
I post military summary maps on page
one open thread every morning. Link
to map, listing casualties, equipment lost..
I lost count of how many cauldron/firebags/meatgrinders
currently that are either closing, or are being formed by Russia.
It is not just that morons on MSM are too stupid
to read a map…they don’t want people to know
what is going on ..that is why they don’t show
what is happening. 💁
“I know not what weapons WWIII will be fought with, but WWIV will be fought with sticks and stones”.
– Attributed to Albert Einstein
What are the odds Trump calls Putin and they strike an agreement where Putin ignores Nato aggression and antics for 50 more days, and Trump promises on day 1 to help end the war? With Ric Grenell’s help of course.
I know wishful thinking. This out of control deep state entity is hell bent on burning things down just to rule over the ashes. It’s sick.
That is what the IC is determined to provoke PDJT into doing.
We only have 1 presidential administration at a time & PDJT has no standing to negotiate on behalf of the United States. They’re trying pretty hard to provoke a Logan Act violation.
WAR with Russians and endless war in Middle East…will guarantee end of the MAGA ..VSGPDJT knows it…
I don’t think Grenell is held in the same high esteem
in Russia as he is here.😖🥴
Maria Zakharova already publicly “schooled/scolded”
him in July. Pretty brutal.💥
Some of her comments in article.
Not going to be a cake walk for Grenell.
Russia responds to Trump ally’s Ukraine proposal — RT Russia & Former Soviet Union
☝️ ☝️ ☝️ ☝️ July 2024
Worse. It’s demonic!
zero
Perhaps the Brits and the “oui surrender” specialists could sail the oceans blue…and go duke it out with North Korea. They’d stand a far better chance. And yes I do apologize to SAS and Lafayette for grouping them…with them.
I think that ICBM can reach the UK and France without permission from anyone.
There is video with this link.
Ukraine fires US atacms missiles into Russia.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/11/ww3-watch-ukraine-fires-us-made-atacms-missiles/
Given the Russian response previously with the new hypersonic warhead, I wonder how Russia will respond this time?
sent Hazel to Kyiv…Z ..nest ?????
inauguration day can’t get here fast enough.
Britain and France are broke financially and militarily.
They can’t wipe their own a** without the US.
President Trump won’t tolerate this WW3 BS.
NATO is a defensive alliance. If some members attack non-members there is no obligation on other NATO members.
These people are blinded by hubris.
As usual, the EU parasites are willing to fight until the last drop of American blood and treasure. Let us know how you boys make out because we refuse to participate in your money laundering schemes anymore.
Does this mean most of the nuclear fallout will stay in Europe?
Those whom the gods would destroy, they first make mad.
Why do these European nations not do everything they can for peace. Why do they want to escalate the war prior to a Trump administration. It’s self-defeating.
$$$
So easy to sacrifice the lives of others “for the greater good”. Put your own skin in the game – yourself, spouse, child, grandchild … then see if the tangible risks meet the hoped-for “reward”.
Europe / NATO know full well that the Sate Department does not speak for, nor support DJT’s policies. So, since DJT will be commander in chief, if these folks go out and provoke an escalation on their own, then they should know that they will suffer the consequences alone.
Then, BlackRock can make a bundle rebuilding all of Europe, instead of just Ukraine, eh? Everyone’s happy!
Good time for Hungary and Romania to leave NATO. Soon to be followed by USA.
Remember that movie!
Count us out.
We are no longer singing “Over There.” We are singing “Over Here” now!
They’re singing it louder in Britain.
An excellent short video by British historian Dr Mark Felton on Russia’s capabilities if Putin chooses to deliver the sharpest response.
Of course what happens in/to Britain won’t stay in Blighty.
A sizeable punch to Starmer’s ugly mug at the first of this well analyzed discussion.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2024-11-25/what-if-russia-strikes-back-nato
They’re singing it louder in Britain.
An excellent short video by British historian Dr Mark Felton on Russia’s capabilities if Putin chooses to deliver the sharpest response.
Of course what happens in/to Britain won’t stay in Blighty.
A sizeable punch to Starmer’s ugly mug at the first of this well analyzed discussion.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2024-11-25/what-if-russia-strikes-back-nato
OUCH!!!
Yes, a mock Nuclear Strike: the platform was a Russian MIRV missile carrying “Multiple Independently Targeted Re-entry Vehicles” that are released in space (each missile capable of carrying 30 to 40 vehicles) – each vehicle capable of destroying any major American city (the giant missile they’ve been working on can carry 500 vehicles for Re-entry).
Alex Jones reported the take-away is: that according to plan none of the vehicles could be intercepted, even with a 30 minute warning.
Quite a demonstration, the Europeans are fools to mess with Russia.
What is the benefit to the European and American People to gin up a fight with Russia, on Russia’s border?
Russia asked for a Neutral Ukraine. That seems a small ask. Instead crazed, irrational Deep Stink Agents infested in D.C. and Europe decide to slap the Bear.
Can we trade every Russia-Hater in Europe and the USA for a mutually enforceable Peace Agreement?
I don’t hate Russians. I don’t hate Ukrainians. But I hate War Mongers who want other people’s children to pay the price of their stupid, amoral decisions.
Russia asked for a Neutral Ukraine, but we promised one way back in 1990. (Sec State James Baker III said NATO would not move one inch east. by 1992-3, we reneged on this.)
In my view, Russia has been quite patient and tolerated a lot of us going back on our word for a long time now.
affirmed here
Roots of Conflict: The Secret History of the War in Ukraine
As the pretext for the unification of Germany and ( ussr) “RU” under Gorbachev iirc. A well if not understated account.
Putin has shown so much “restraint” in fact. It leads me to suspect that POTUS and Putin have an “understanding”.
I sure hope so.
Your view is the same as Russian MoD. How about the nukes for security agreement?
Lunatics, I’d say, Jeff.
You can never reason with one.
Never mind an asylum full of them.
” Quite a demonstration, the Europeans are fools to mess with Russia.”
No truer words have been spoken, Jeff C.
Doesn’t matter, if for some bizarre reason Putin decides his legacy will be doing the WEFs dirty work for them, it’s all gone. Personally, I believe him to be much smarter than that.
This technology is 50 years old.
No MIRV carries 40-50 ‘vehicles’ (warheads). The absolute best is about 10-15 on a select few models.
Most carry 5-6 range.
BJ,
As you know, I have been saying for some time, Putin can decapitate them, without going nuclear, or devastating large populations, and there is no defence.
What part of you have already lost this war, before it started don’t these asshats understand?
No, you DON’T win because of the rightness and righteousness of your cause (which is neither, b.t.w.) you win with bullets and bombs, and in this case with rockets they can’t defend against, traveling at mach 11, with multiple independantly targeted warheads, with conventional warheads, with pin point precision guidance, aimed at NATO Headquarters in Brussels, And the “seats of Government” in London, Rome, Paris, D.C. etc.and all hit at the same time.
“WW3 lasted approximately 17 minutes,…and ushered in an unprecedented era of peace and prosperity.”
I hope you watched that video in the Zerohedge article I linked to, dutch. In 16 short minutes, Dr Felton outlines that Britain at least is for the high jump should the finally shove Putin into defending his homeland, as he has been warning and warning and warning.
That sort of decimation you describe is certainly on the table.
The immoral nihilist”leaders” of the countries doing the pushing are too busy running their mouths and bankrupting their own nations. It seems they haven’t gamed out how quickly it could happen.
Putin doesn’t want what NATO/MIC are in such an infernal hurry to bring about. He has said so. But he will not sit there and watch while Russia is bombed to smithereens.
I doubt they’ve thought of that either.
Nothing, and I’ll repeat, nothing is unstoppable.
How do you stop a tsunami ?
I believe President Trump’s victory shocked the MIC/NATO. They have had to speed up their machinations. January 20 will be here soon enough. Time (for them) is short.
And people thrown off course who are in a hurry are apt to make mistakes. Which would be all right if we weren’t speaking of existential war.
But we are.
It is not possible to know at what point Putin might be forced to make a decision he will not announce.
How does anyone stop that?
Praying mightily that back channels are open so that with President Trump the unthinkable can be averted.
I don’t blame them. They’re been cannon fodder too many times!
As you know, Joe, Putin is an avid student of history, especially that of Russia.
That makes him smarter than those here and in the rest of NATO who aren’t.
He’s a patriot like President Trump, which makes for common ground when they are able to sit down together after January 20.
And again, as the “leaders” of NATO countries aren’t particularly fond of their citizens, that is something they have no understanding of.
It helps also to have a love of the thing one is protecting.
Advantage? Mr Putin.
The problem is that people believe the western propaganda that Russia is weak and short on manpower and munitions, that Ukraine’s heroic defenses have bled them dry and destroyed their morale, that the Russian people have no more fight left in them. I think Putin’s recent missile attack was his way of saying, “Nope. We’ve got plenty of fight left.”
I’m sorry to say that this may be so of the Brits, with the government’s mouthpiece, the BBC, spewing their propaganda, followed by censorship of anyone who dares to counter it.
Just as they are told the NHS is “the envy of the world”…
Even though that deadly institution is not fit for purpose, most believe that as well.
and not only non nuclear Hazel……
Now deploy the T-55s….
These a&&(&%#! Insist on playing kick the cobra….Don’t call us, we’ll call you. YOYO….you’re on your own.
Amen…..y’all have a good time…these demons aren’t happy unless folks are dying.
Enough!