The “Big Ugly” was always a description of the battle that few understood. You cannot be betrayed by your enemies; that happens when your allies reveal themselves against your interests. Majority Leader John Thune will play his cards carefully in order to extract maximum damage.
The Senate is factually the core of republican opposition to MAGA and President Trump. The visible battle against Obama, Biden, Harris and the professional political left, always consumes the most attention. However, it is the less-visible battle against the entrenched ideological republicans that proves to be the hardest.
The Republicans in the upper chamber will not relinquish power easily. They have a multitude of weapons to use against the insurgency of President Trump supporters. We are seeing this play out now in the alignment of Republican Senators who stand in opposition to President Trump’s nomination of Matt Gaetz as U.S. Attorney General, and this recent report aligns with exactly the type of move we would expect.
The basic outline is that senate leadership will reluctantly support Matt Gaetz for Main Justice, where ‘support’ means they will not directly oppose; in exchange for the nomination of FBI Director Mike Rogers to defend their interests at FBI.
This is the typical type of deal the DeceptiCons are well known for.
Thune and McConnell (in background) have yet to reveal who they have planned to place in the chair positions of multiple committees. We are very interested to see who chairs the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence because that mutually dependent relationship is the core of the IC influence in the legislative branch. The same may be said for the chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee, and ultimately the Gaetz nomination.
This recent report aligns with information we have received from the senate staff offices who are discussing the Gaetz nomination. Thune would not make such a proposal openly, for obvious reasons, but intermediaries would relay the message between the upper chamber and the transition team.
[SOURCE]
President Donald Trump would regret the day, if such terms were agreed. Former House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence Chairman Mike Rogers is a well-known deep state operative who would be guaranteed to work closely with the Intelligence Community in opposition to the interests of those who would like to see the FBI reformed or structurally rebuilt.
Mike Rogers himself came from within the FBI and then went to congress where he carried the agenda of the FBI into the House Intel Committee. It was that IC agenda that led to the Rogers/Ruppersberger report exonerating Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama for the Benghazi fiasco that led to Ambassador Chris Stephens murder.
There is no deal like this that is worth making. The DNI (Tulsi), DHS (Noem), HHS (RFK JR) and DOJ (Gaetz) nominations should stand on their own – along with a radical reform nomination, at best, for the FBI.
This type of deal is exactly how the IC can hunker down and avoid the sunlight of investigation upon their corrupt operations. This type of deal is how the counterintelligence division of the FBI can simply operate to protect the DOJ-NSD embeds that will attempt to remain in power within Main Justice. This type of deal is how the FBI remains entirely political.
The MAGA majority needs to keep leaning forward and telling the Senate republican representatives about their expectations for support. Don’t let the scheming and conniving Senate Republican “leadership” have an inch of breathing space.
NO DEAL!
Wow, I am on top of my game, I was saying this was the only reason Rogers was being offered as a MAYBE…….After all his boss would be Matt Gaetz. I can live with that.
nope I couldn’t live with Turd Rogers in any capacity
don’t care WHO his boss is
Maybe this is why Roger’s only got a pittance of support from Mitch’s funding war chest pursuing the Senate seat in Michigan. He came close to upsetting Slotnick. McConnel really didn’t care for a healthy majority in Senate. Better to have a mole where it is most useful.
Gald you can. Most of us can’t.
The rest of us cannot. Nice try.
Take the deal.Then when Gaetz is confirmed he can fire Rogers.
Eogers is a super rino and probably a future mole like he has been in his past.
Never Rogers…be be blackmailed?
No deal!
Was it Mike Corleone who said , “here’s my offer, I give you NOTHING “
“Here’s my offer – nothing, not even the price of the permit which I expect you to pay.” 😊
Perfect response! No Deal! This isn’t very artistic for our Artist of the Deal!
If we are to believe Thune will call a recess (coordinated with Johnson in the House) as he has said he is open to, the GOPe senators have no bargaining power. In any event, Rogers is totally unacceptable.
He is the reason no one was ever held accountable for our ambassador to Libya’s murder, he was an only child and had begged the administration for more help. Evil!!
No. That was So. IL’ s illustrious Rep. Mike Bost
You are actually open to the possibility that Thune wasn’t dissembling (LIEING! ) when he implied he might be open to recess?
Go sit in a corner, and contemplate the error of your ways.
He will fight with everything he has, to prevent a recess, or any recess appointments.
McConnell raised him after all.
Letter to my Senators in-work.
I can’t get mine, Cornyn or Cruz on the phone, I have to leave a message.
I called all places here in Texas and at the capital.
Very frustrating.
Me too, but contacting Cornyn is always a complete waste of time even if you make it through.
Yes, very frustrating. This is the second day I haven’t been able to get through to either Cruz or Cornyn. I sent emails, but who knows if anyone reads them.
Yesterday’s Texas Scorecard poll was “Would you support John Cornyn if the 2026 primary was held this week?”….
94.4% of respondents said NO.
Same here, I had to send emails too! I hope someone reads them.
The great thing about Western Union telegrams was that they were physical, tangible – could pile up like a yellowing snowdrift in the hallways and the chambers.
I have often thought if I could in my wildest dreams bring back telegrams from Western Union that would be a fantastic thing.
I just went and looked up Western Union telegrams; Western Union no longer sends and delivers telegrams but there is another company that does – I wonder if we could contact our Congress Critters that way? Wondering if we could buy stock, anticipating a great demand. This does not constitute inside information as I am just blabbing about it here, openly. I would just love to see those dopey Congress Critters being engulfed in telegrams!
Looked up Western Union and telegrams on Google:
People also ask
Does Western Union still send telegrams?
Do Telegrams still exist in the US?
That doesn’t mean the telegram is dead, however. The International Telegram Company took over the Western Union service and is still delivering telegrams to this day.Jan 27, 2023
I looked for International telegrams but that seems to be no longer – there is a company called American Telegram Service where you can call them and dictate your message to an operator and a physical telegram will be delivered. You give your credit or debit card number to the operator. This is the kind of thing where one could buy those pre-paid “credit cards” at the grocery store and use those to have a number to give. It would be interesting to check out, if the price is reasonable.
American Telegram® 1-800 Telegram℠ USA & International Telegram Delivery Service
Cornyn & Cruz are currently in Brownsville with President Trump.
Cruz is with President Trump for the SpaceX launch, Cornyn should be tracked to see who he is colluding with, IMO.
Thank you for making the effort. Even if they don’t take the call, it will be recorded and the will of the people noted. Not all pressure is overt. This is what we’ve got to help so we do.
I agree, but Cornyn’s “to leave a comment regarding current issues of interest” line isn’t working at all. All that’s left is email, I just hope someone reads the comments and passes them on to Cornyn. It probably won’t make a difference, is past history is any guide, but we keep trying.
Here’s hoping that neither corn, or Roger’s gets struck by lightening.
Maybe they can accidentally launch Cornyn into orbit
Cruz is in Texas watching the SpaceX launch and sucking up to Trump. 🤮 Sen. Kramer is there, too. Meanwhile, Pocahontas is back in D.C. pushing through the radical judiciary nominees. NO DEAL for the useless RINO senate on any of Trump’s nominees.
I’m sure that will help.
If President Trump goes along with this, FBI will continue to harass him and in the courts and there’s a high likelihood he’ll end up going from the Oval to prison for the end of his life.
He takes this deal and he puts the final nail in his own coffin.
Not necessarily. I think PDJT “has got this.”
Whatever Trump does, he knows exactly why. PDT is certainly well aware of who Rogers is and pretty much all that Rigers has done. Wouldn’t be a bad idea to put Rogers through an investigation as all appointees will need to do prior to the confirmation hearing.
Rogers can be fired the day after he takes the job … in fact it would be easy for Trump to have an excuse when Rogers claims he can’t do what Trump asks …
The can’t tell advise and consent (ensuring the quality of nominees) from political bargaining. Does anyone in government do the job that they are supposed to do?!
I keep thinking about Michael Corleone in Godfather II and the Senator from Nevada.
Trump could just say we’re keeping Gaetz and by the way we would ‘appreciate’ you approving my future FBI nominee also as he lays down relevant parts out of the 11″ binder.
OR, forcing a situation for Article 2, Section 3.
Game. Set. Match!
Yes and no.
I don’t believe Trump would trade the Russia Hoax Binder evidence for a cabinet pick. We need those who conspired against PDJT and many others to pay for their veey dangerous abuse of power. This cannot ever happen again. If no one is punished, it will.
PDJT has all the cards, and the 11″ binder is a big one, but only one and I agree on not actually USING it to get Gaetz confirmed,…threatening to use it, however.
And, bear in mind the Binder can become a truckload, once he is in office, and has Tulsi digging up material for him.
MTG had an interesting,…proposal.
“If Matts ethics investigation report is made public, ALL ethics investigation reports will be made public.
I have had mixed feelings about MTG, but with our win, she and other MAGA have the potential to be more than just loan voices in the wilderness.
That senator from Nevada was such a pompous ass, looked down on Michael Corleone, all of the Corleones and all of their kinsmen.
Just like the Swamp does Trump.
Except for the fact that the Corleones were extortionist, racketeering murderers.
So, there’s that…
Yep. That fictional Senator was a sleezebag.
And the fictional family he looked down on were scumbag, extortionist racketeering murderers.
Wouldn’t be my go-to analogy. But, YMMV…
Hey Senate: how ‘bout NEVER? Does NEVER work for you?
I know the RINO and uniparty people would love this. I think that even without the senate going into recess, it seems like speaker Johnson WILL go in recess, limiting the leverage Thune can exert. PDJT, as provided by Jeff Clark, can force the recess. Does Thune really WANT TO BE seen at the obstruction into the prez agenda in such transparent way, in the clear sunlight? Maybe—after all it’s trillions at stake and he can get his share. He’ll be a dead man walking because he’d potentially be done politically. And he better be squeaky clean because there MAY be investigations! I think the first investigation that takes place is McConnell—that will set the tone for the rest of the RINO senators. Second is Romney. I’m sure there are all kinds of shady dealings he’s done. Then, go after all the corrupt uniparty and it can’t be said it’s partisan.
Completely agree 👍
McChina and his CCP enhanced Finances most definitely needs looking at!
And DO what it is, they have most feared all along; use Executive orders to set it up, and then USE the NSA database, and FISA warrant with 702 about searches and 3 hop rule, to expand the 11″ binder into a couple of semi trailers of evidence, IN THEIR OWN WORDS, of their complicity in treason (muh Russia,etc) and terrorism with biowarfare (Covid).
Now, given the courts are still corrupt, in many cases prosecutions may be challenging, convictions more so,…but there is always “the Court of Public Opinion” and PDJT can release ANYTHING he wants, and so, behind closed doors he can show a Senator what he has,…and suggest how damaging it would be,were it to become public knowledge.
Actually, he would probably have someone do it,..for him.
Our President Trump is a billionaire for a good reason : expert and negotiating and applying leverage.
The will of his supporters have spoken. Trump will never exchange. Cornyn RINO snakes are grasping for leverage. They are weak. Pathetic. Not on the side of good. Rogers is awful.
Our President has known this move would be made by Decepticons for a year. It’s not a win win. He won’t go for it. His leverage is us. Supporters. Our power.
Mike Rogers has Benghazi Blood on his hands. Rotten to the core. Why he lost to a repulsive pig in Sloktkin.
Embedded in this offer is Decepticon belief that Trump is going to fire Wray on Day One.
I noticed that too. In fact, as soon as they started pushing Rogers for FBI director, it was obvious THEY acceptvit as a given that PDJT would fire Wray on day one.
So, whats the hurry? Suppose he DOESN’T??
Their whole gambit collapses. He can wait a little while, to fire Wray and in the mean time, push hard for Gaetz.
Also, Ryan/Mitch promised PDJT something during budget negotiations, and then renegged.
So, he agrees behind closed doors to a Rogers for Gaetz deal, gets Gaetz confirmed, Gaetz fires Wray, and then PDJT refuses to nominate Rogers.
Leave the Director position open, first step towards shuttering the bldg .
Mike Rogers is Chris Wray 2.0 and would immediately find some link between President Trump and Russia in order to request a Special Counsel to investigate another Russian Collusion Hoax for the next four years!
Rogers could use the FBI to investigate Matt Gaetz and block any of Gaetz’s investigations into the Lawfare campaigns against President Trump!
Rogers as FBI Dir can’t call a Special Counsel. That would be going over Gaetz’s head.
But Rogers as FBI director would be a big problem… for the country.
We cannot continue to have an unaccountable, increasingly lawless FBI with the power to destroy ANY american’s life based on false manufactured crap.
The FBI has become a politically weaponized danger/threat to all American citizens. They must suffer the consequences of their actions.
CJ said “REQUEST” NOT “CALL FOR” or appoint.
And a FBI director could request the AG or Congress to appoint one.
Hmm, but Comey did!
There is no quid pro quo when dealing with Thune and McConnell, there is only a quid pro nihilo!
Trump will get the AG and the FBI Director of his choosing, with or without the support of these grifters!
Venit, vidit, vicit!
Hard pass.
Absolutely not.
we have all seen the damage prior worthless Directors have done. Everything starts with the investigation.
No investigation, no justice plain and simple.
Use recess avenue or vacancy act.
No Deal.
What is the best way to get a message to the post-election Trump organization. Text? Email??
Thanks.
is there a chance this is the “Mike Rogers” DJT92 (45+47) is considering:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_S._Rogers
Hmmmmm. How about, in grand FBI tradition, someone on 47’s transition team arranges a VERY private meeting with Chris Wray (like, in the men’s room of his favorite restaurant), lets him know the way it is, makes him an offer he can’t refuse, and turns him. “We’ll let you retire peacefully when it’s all over, here read this pardon, but you’re OURS now.”
So, no appointment necessary, since Wray’s term isn’t up for another 2 years. That gives some time for a whole LOT of other stuff to shake out in other areas that need to be addressed, and also gives time to groom his replacement.
No need to nominate anyone for FBI now. Just make Wray your bitch.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2024/11/16/the-importance-of-the-next-fbi-director/
https://www.breitbart.com/2024-election/2024/11/19/paper-shredding-truck-appears-outside-doj-after-gaetz-nomination/
Paper shredding truck spotted outside DOJ.
Sounds like they are ignoring Jim Jordan’s letter re preservation of documents.
Insert Jim Nabors’ signature catch-all phrase here –
I has a question 😛
I had to reference this link to verify:
Senate Majority Leader John Thune Announces Republican Senate Leadership
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2024/11/13/senate-majority-leader-john-thune-announces-republican-senate-leadership/
So here is my question:
With this Leadership team campaigning for Mike Rogers in the election for MI Senator…how did Mike Rogers lose his election in MI?
btw I referenced Mike Rogers twitter account and found the ‘team’ actively campaign photos there
This is purely anecdotal.
I have an aunt that lives in Michigan. She said that while she voted for him, she didn’t like him one bit.
My elderly GOP aligned, still thinks Pompeo is a decent guy and wonders why Nikki Haley wasn’t offered something in this administration, aunt can see Mike Rogers is not a good pick then I bet there were a lot of people that simply did not care to help him. She even brought up the Atlantic Council.
https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/
She’s come a long way from calling me a Trumper, lol.
Because the folks in Michigan finally got a clue.
PRESIDENT Trump needs to sit down with the GOPe Senators and have the Obama talk with them. Elections have consequences: “I won.”
No way…bring it on baby..time to flush out the deck.
More of their big ugly:
What’s Going On Here? Paper-Shredding Truck Spotted Outside Department of Justice Building Days After Trump Announces Matt Gaetz Attorney General Nomination
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/11/whats-going-here-paper-shredding-truck-spotted-outside/
Never on this deal. PTrump has his power now and can figure out how to navigate this kind of charade. Roger’s would be a horrible pick while if Gates doesn’t get confirmed, there are a number of others who are great who would be confirmed. Praying PTrump does not nominate this Mike Rogers for anything, but especially the FBI.
No f’ng way. Trump would face another special counsel in his first year if he did this.
not possible for FBI to get one … needs AG on board …
Don’t do it. Double down and put Kash Patel in FBI!!!
Go pound sand you corrupt son of a bitches…NO DEAL.
There’s a land that is fairer than day,
And by faith we can see it afar,
For the Father waits over the way
To prepare us a dwelling place there.
In the sweet by and by,
We shall meet on that beautiful shore;
In the sweet by and by,
We shall meet on that beautiful shore.
We DID NOT VOTE for mediocrity.
We DID NOT VOTE for the swamp and status quo, swamp.
We voted 180 degrees.
we NOW have a govt FULL of this BS…..
RID our govt of these crap, ONCE AND FOR ALL.
Set up 2028 to KEEP the swamp out of our govt
Spend the next 4Y CLEANSING and CLEANING out dc, govt, swamp.
NEVER…NEVER EVER
Forget that. Hold the line. They want their guy in there to avoid enforcement and to keep the family jewels hidden…
Non starter for me. Better be for the transition team as well. Make these RATs show themselves.
We’ve had THIS CRAP ever since BHO walked into the white house.
We ARE DONE with it!!!!
NO compromise.
TURN IT UPSIDE DOWN. Top to bottom.
Give us the name of the person making the offer.
Uh . . . no.
BHO, IRS, Lerner, HOlder, FBI, Wray, Weinstein, Struyk: THEY ALL PUNISHED conservatives, republicans, white people. NEVER held accountable, 0%. Same for current DOJ, FBI, HHS. Garland, Mayorkis, Wray….THE BORDER has destroyed our country with crime, drugs, murder, rape, $$$ being paid to illegals more than working American’s wages.
NO…absolutely NOT.
We want a zealot, fighter, intense WINNER in that role.
Another option is to fire Wray and not submit a nomination for director. Dismiss all of Wray’s untrustworthy deputies in the Bureau who might try to move into the “Acting ” role. Then conduct a head hunt for someone already in the federal government who is qualified and who can serve as Acting Director. The Acting Director does not have to come from the same agency, and can serve without Senate approval. This might be a temporary solution until the Senate GOP comes to its senses. Maybe this sounds crazy, but these are times that call for it.
Great idea … pick your own Acting Director …
Under these circumstances I would choose one of the whistleblowers.
No. If he is serious about taking down the Deep State, he needs to make sure he doesn’t put the Deep State in charge of ANYTHING. The FBI is under the DOJ, but the FBI has become a rogue organization that takes orders from nobody other than Deep State actors.
I don’t think it matters that the FBI is under a Gaetz-led DOJ if the Deep State plans on sidelining him like they did Sessions. This so-called deal reeks of a plan to do just that.
Took them about 10 minutes to sideline Sessions
I’m thinking they just showed their cards … they think head of FBI is more important to cover their tracks … I say force thru the Gaetz confirmation for AG … then nominate him to head of FBI and dare them to reject him after already being confirmed … then hammer them with plan B for AG nomination …
Hmm … 3D chess here … take the deal get both Gaetz and Rogers confirmed … then Jan 30th fire Rogers …
I agree
I say make deal. Then fire Roger’s after he doesn’t follow orders from Gaetz.
The best way to de-fang Congress, is to de-fund it.
Take their endless money-pot away by repealing the Federal income tax. Let the States run, regulate, and fund themselves: and let the Feds beg money from the States.
Get all of Trump’s pick in place and fire Roger’s the first time he goes squirrelly.
Ought to be less than a week.
He’s already gone squierlly. Forgetaboutit…..This creature is the worst….
A few days ago I noticed a Musk tweet encouraging a certain class of people to sign on with DOGE. This seems to be what its all about. Its a long read from Zero Hedge?Brownstone Institute but I found it fascinating and very encouraging. This could end up being what Musk did to Twitter on steroids and, like Twitter, it is coming at DC from left field.
These are the first paras to wet your appetite with a link. I hope they are allowed.
“Authored by El Gato Malo via The Brownstone Institute,
DC is about to experience something entirely new, something absolutely unprecedented in its experience. They think the barbarians are coming. And perhaps they are. But not the kinds of barbarians they suspect. Not this time.
The simple fact is that there exists a very small group of incredibly high-function, insanely productive people. It’s the dirty secret of the world. This tiny tribe conceives, invents, and builds basically everything novel. All of it. They are not normal people. They are the 0.1%.
Unless you have worked with them, around them, or been a part of what they do, you simply lack a reference for what they are like. It’s essentially inconceivable how much such people can get done when they set their minds to it, how many rules they will disprove, break, or ignore, and how many paradigms they will upend.
DC has never seen a mob of high-function autist builders and fin warriors coalesce before. They have no fricking idea what’s coming. They cannot possibly know. But I do.”
https://brownstone.org/articles/guess-whats-coming-to-dc/
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/guess-whats-coming-dc
As I think about it, this IS an expected move by the Decepticons, still thinking they have the power, and still in denial about the seismic shift that has taken place.
This is like Andrea Mitchell in that recent interview.
She still went thru the motions of clapping back, but it was by rote and without any conviction, thats these guys, as well.
PDJT has them beat, out manuevered, 6 different ways. Its going to be very enjoyable, watching him finally destroying the Decepticons….I have been waiting,..for all my life to see this.
There will be no need of an FBI Director, as of Jan. 20 the FBI will be abolished.
Back down and you throw it all away.
But just in case we don’t get a Deep State FBI director, the shredder truck is outside the Justice Department:
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/11/whats-going-here-paper-shredding-truck-spotted-outside/
Another Perfect Regime Metaphor.
The people who howled “Obstruction of Justice!” for the last eight years are destroying evidence as fast as their Rent-a-Shredders will let them.
Pro tip: this will not save your sorry asses.
Isaiah 63
The Lord Wins over the Nations
1 Who is this Who comes from Edom, with dark red clothing from Bozrah? Who is this One Who is beautiful in His clothing, walking in the greatness of His strength? “It is I, Who speaks what is right and good, powerful to save.”
2 Why is Your clothing red? Why is Your clothing like his who crushes the grapes?
3 “I have crushed the grapes alone. From the people there was no man with Me. I crushed them in My anger. I was angry as I stepped on them. And their life blood is on My clothing, and all My clothing is red.
4 For the day of punishment was in My heart. And My year to save My people and make them free has come.”
Yes and Amen, Mighty Father!
Might be a good time for Rep. Jordan (or the appropriate House Chairman) to issue a subpoena and confiscate that truck and contents.
LOL, the kitty is mad today. I suspect he would be in better temper if the RINOs would pack their bags.
to a negotiator like Trump when someone says “We hate the Gaetz guy, hate him, hate, hate him … ok, he’s fine if you’ll give us Rogers” they have just BLINKED HARD …
remember Trumps first offer was Gaetx for AG … nothing for FBI … i.e. no FBI card on the table …
thus far NONE of the nominations have given an INCH to the GOPe (nor the Dems) …
not one “reaching across the aisle nomination”
I’m thinking President Trump may go all in now … he has them on the run … time to ride them down and slaughter them …
I don’t see the Senate as having any leverage whatsoever. It’s the President’s prerogative, and we finally have a President with their own Executive prerogative. So they Senate can suck on one. PDJT can appoint Gaetz any number of ways without them.
“This is not a negotiation.”
Oh wht nice ring. ….
It’s a nothing burger. There can be no nomination of FBI director until Wrays term ends. (2026), or until he gets fired by the President. Either way, it’s a moot point for now.
Recall how the Dems always stick to their “The President has the right to his nominees,” mantra when their guy is (s)elected!
Slaughter them—metaphorically speaking!!!
Yes, please.
Is this the same Mike Rogers who went to the Trump Hotel to warn President Trump that President Obama was spying on him?
Please forgive my lack of knowledge.
I believe that was Admiral Mike Rogers.
There are at least two – and I think sundance mentioned there is a third as well.
No that was a different Mike Rogers, former head of the NSA. This Mike Rogers was part of the House Intelligence Committee and frequently ran cover for the deep state.
No, that is a different Mike Rogers (an Admiral, I believe).
The positive on this is that the swamp rats are outing their own this time, so we are less likely to be caught by surprise when their rats in sheep’s clothing betray our country like in DJT’s fist term with the likes of cowardly, feckless Jeff Sessions and the Portly Treasonous Weasel, Bill Barr. Thankfully the Democrat Crime Syndicate has been hamstrung and is irrelevant now. But anyone the Decepticons or the Uniparty MSM propaganda media fight for is suspect.