The “Big Ugly” was always a description of the battle that few understood. You cannot be betrayed by your enemies; that happens when your allies reveal themselves against your interests. Majority Leader John Thune will play his cards carefully in order to extract maximum damage.
The Senate is factually the core of republican opposition to MAGA and President Trump. The visible battle against Obama, Biden, Harris and the professional political left, always consumes the most attention. However, it is the less-visible battle against the entrenched ideological republicans that proves to be the hardest.
The Republicans in the upper chamber will not relinquish power easily. They have a multitude of weapons to use against the insurgency of President Trump supporters. We are seeing this play out now in the alignment of Republican Senators who stand in opposition to President Trump’s nomination of Matt Gaetz as U.S. Attorney General, and this recent report aligns with exactly the type of move we would expect.
The basic outline is that senate leadership will reluctantly support Matt Gaetz for Main Justice, where ‘support’ means they will not directly oppose; in exchange for the nomination of FBI Director Mike Rogers to defend their interests at FBI.
This is the typical type of deal the DeceptiCons are well known for.
Thune and McConnell (in background) have yet to reveal who they have planned to place in the chair positions of multiple committees. We are very interested to see who chairs the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence because that mutually dependent relationship is the core of the IC influence in the legislative branch. The same may be said for the chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee, and ultimately the Gaetz nomination.
This recent report aligns with information we have received from the senate staff offices who are discussing the Gaetz nomination. Thune would not make such a proposal openly, for obvious reasons, but intermediaries would relay the message between the upper chamber and the transition team.
[SOURCE]
President Donald Trump would regret the day, if such terms were agreed. Former House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence Chairman Mike Rogers is a well-known deep state operative who would be guaranteed to work closely with the Intelligence Community in opposition to the interests of those who would like to see the FBI reformed or structurally rebuilt.
Mike Rogers himself came from within the FBI and then went to congress where he carried the agenda of the FBI into the House Intel Committee. It was that IC agenda that led to the Rogers/Ruppersberger report exonerating Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama for the Benghazi fiasco that led to Ambassador Chris Stephens murder.
There is no deal like this that is worth making. The DNI (Tulsi), DHS (Noem), HHS (RFK JR) and DOJ (Gaetz) nominations should stand on their own – along with a radical reform nomination, at best, for the FBI.
This type of deal is exactly how the IC can hunker down and avoid the sunlight of investigation upon their corrupt operations. This type of deal is how the counterintelligence division of the FBI can simply operate to protect the DOJ-NSD embeds that will attempt to remain in power within Main Justice. This type of deal is how the FBI remains entirely political.
The MAGA majority needs to keep leaning forward and telling the Senate republican representatives about their expectations for support. Don’t let the scheming and conniving Senate Republican “leadership” have an inch of breathing space.
NO DEAL!
No. They make me sick! 🤮 I’ll be contacting my Senators.
So they just outed Mike Rogers as a corrupt piece of poo? 💩
I probably should have said admitted that he is a corrupt piece of 💩
No Rogers, recess Gaetz.
My thought, too.
Now there is no question that Rogers has no place in a MAGA administration.
Thanks, Deep State!
We should all be contacting senators.
Ya know… it just occurred to me that … maybe Trump might agree to this “deal” to get his other cabinet picks confirmed for 4 years… and then just fire Rogers w/in a year. Most likely Rogers will give PDJT cause to fire him.
Although I think it’s hard to fire an FBI director b/c they are supposed to stay in their position for a set number of years regardless of the administration. Obama kept Comey. Biden kept Wray… except both Comey and Wray were playing for the Dem/uniparty/DS team… as was Mueller. Easy for Trump to fire Wray now. Not sure about firing Rogers w/in 1 year though. Maybe.
I accept whatever PDJT decides to do.
They also, knowingly or unknowingly, outed themselves as dyed in the wool decepticons actively trying to thwart the will of over half of their constituents.
I think they also fall in the category of warm, wet, smelly stuff.
I love Elon Musk’s threat to primary every single Senator coming up for reelection that tries to impede Trump, and bankrolling their opponents. This just might be the “come to Jesus” moment that these detestable cretins need. (Think: FORMER Senator Jon Tester).
He’s outed himself numerous times. If you have twitter/X, a simple perusal show his posts as damning
I politely disagree.
I recall you using The Big Ugly to describe the justice attorney John Durham was going to bring. How attorneys start with small fish, and work up to the big fish.
However, as time progressed, we saw none of the investigative and judicial tools typically used by attorneys, and Sundance soon realized we were all duped.
Durham was a nothing burger.
The Big Ugly has and still does refer to the process that will complete The Great Awakening. It has many many facets and layers.
Sundance always maintained that John Durham was not going to investigate anyone inside government, that his role in the Russia Russia Russia was spray paint to cover up Barr’s bondo application over all the evidence.
The key to the Durham report was that… there was no predicate to have ever begun the investigation into the Trump Campaign re: whether there was collusion w/Russia.
On day 1 of the Mueller Special Counsel, all 40+ agents/lawyers KNEW that the prior 6 month FBI investigation produced no evidence of collusion and the FBI agent/investigators wanted to CLOSE that investigation of the Trump Campaign, b4 Trump’s 2017 inauguration.
Obama said… no. And Comey and his team started what I view as sedition against the Sitting POTUS, Trump, in March 2017.
The Russia Hoax cannot be ignored. Those involved in orchestrating a lie that caused distress to the President and the nation for 2.5 years must be held to account for their actions. They cannot be permitted to get away with this extreme degree of sedition and abuse of power.
The President was accused 24/7 for many years of being a puppet of a foreign adversary, Russia, and effectively a danger and traitor to the US.
And Russia, a nuclear power, was wrongly accused and our relations w/that nuclear power was seriously damaged.
The left still believes Trump is a traitor and dangerous to our democracy.
The HISTORICAL RECORD must be corrected and those that manufactured this heinous lie about the Potus deserve prison.
🎯🎯🎯💯% 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Nail their hides to the wall!!!
Flayed alive. Often to the local church door.
IIRC he was calling Durham a “Bondo Bill Barr” operation very early on. The Durham indictments then tipped their hand: the FBI was “duped” – which was proof that Durham was ordered not to investigate government employees.
I don’t expect many prosecutions to fall out of all these frauds. Maybe a few. What we mainly need is sunlight and exposure. Declassify. Release the information they’re desperate to keep hidden.
I believe Sundance at first said smaller players would fold on larger players. This is how prosecutions work.
Then maybe nine months in he realized it wS all a big game. We should have all known given Durham’s nothing burger investigating illegal behavior in Boston (Mueller?).
I guess I remember him being more skeptical because he never liked or trusted Barr. I remember feeling optimistic at first but warning people to expect the most cynical possible outcome in any government investigation of itself. Anyway, it did not take long to figure out that Durham was a cover-up operation…at most a few months. Not worth arguing about.
I get your point though. Everyone is optimistic now on the heels of the election. We’ll know by Mar or Apr if any real accountability is coming for the DOJ and FBI. It’s not particularly hard to reconstruct what they did and how they did it using only publicly available information. That’s why (right now) it’s reported that they’re in a panic. All of the cover up operations depend on two things:
Those can quickly be stripped away.
Remember he was well spoken of by the DC Establishment. Enough said.
You’re just trying to twist it now because you got called out on false assertions.
Ha! I just typed that and then 3 posts later! saw yours.. Thanks for confirming my memory of Bondo Bill Barr as correct. I win nothing lol
no, Sundance said from the getgo that Durham was setup to fail by Bill Barr. Why? B/c Barr – just like Merrick did w/ Jack Smith – illegally appointed Durham. Durham was not Senate approved for the role. So, no matter what Durham did (or, of course did not do), he was going to get the same treatment in federal court that Jack Smith eventually got from Judge Canon – you’re fired. Sundance from the get-go pointed out this flaw.
BS. SD said nothing would come from Durham and that’s exactly what happened.
You can’t find what you’re not looking for! JMO
“Durham was a nothing burger.”
I thought the Durham debacle was described as yet another protector of the silo. Like the “Barr as bondo” etc etc. type deal.
2 points. 1. Doesn’t Wray has to resign to have an opening….and 2. FBI is under DOJ, isn’t it? Seems Gaetz and Tulsi would oversee Rogers. Might be kind of sweet.
Within the U.S. Department of Justice, the FBI is responsible to the attorney general, and it reports its findings to U.S. Attorneys across the country. The FBI’s intelligence activities are overseen by the Director of National Intelligence.
Yes, Wray has to leave, although he may be fired on 1/20/25, if he hasn’t resigned by then.
Plenty of cause there, but remember that stink Democrats made about Comey?
Who cares, we are so over their stupid stinking snits.
The Supremes made it clear that President Trump has immunity. He can fire anyone he wants.
They also made the stink about Comey because they were and had been illegally spying on President Trump aka Russia-Russia-Russia and had him and everyone he had ever known under investigation. They wanted to pretend it was obstruction of their already fake with hunt. They would say and do anything and did.
We are not falling for any more hoaxes or impeachments or scamdemics or wrap up smears.
The supreme Court cleared up The power in the exec branch .
And look what that got us. I said it in 2016 after Comey sank Clinton’s campaign. “That guy needs to be fired in Day 1.”
Trump tried to play ball and got screwed.
To hell with what “they say”. We have a mandate.
They can scream all they want no one cares anymore. The country is not on their side.
I think all the president has to say is that I’ve lost confidence in Wray. Enough said. No one would complain besides democrats and Rino rats.
I find this whole debate about Wray funny. Just announce his replacement.
What a great way to backhand slap that dic*head. Instead of announcing he’s being fired, introduce his replacement to America and that the replacement’s job is to uncover and release everything FBI has been hiding from the public.
Then on 1/21, issue a short but sweet notice terminating Wray, all other appointees in the FBI, and all US Attorneys.
President Trump, who is the Executive Branch, has plenary power over All executive departments.
Pink slip every US Attorney root, stem and branch. Give them no quarter.
Trump fired Comey so he could fire Wray. I am sure Wray is aware that if Trump fires him with prejudice, Wray can never work for the US Government ever again.
He’ll get a book deal and a consultant gig on a major cable news outlet. The Left will take care of loyal soldiers because they can’t afford Wray to start blabbing about what really went on over there.
I’ve heard that Wray is a billionaire several times over. Probably bad sources. Corruption pays off apparently.
Reject the offer publicly- Do not negotiate with terrorists, blackmailers or these Senators.
Good. Hope Musk sees this and passes it on to Trump.
If Mike Johnson puts the House in recess for 10 days and the Senate refuses to go into recess, the Constitution allows PDT to put both the House and Senate into recess. Perfect! Show the Senate rinos what worthless eunuchs they really are. PDT gets all the recess appointments he wants
Hmm… maybe Trump could accept Rogers to get all the others confirmed and then during a recess fire Rogers and appoint someone else, ie, Patel?
Just speculating.
Ain’t happening
You are right !
https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/article-2/section-3/
Article II Executive Branch
Section 3 Duties
He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper; he shall receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers; he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed, and shall Commission all the Officers of the United States.
Been a busy little camper.
What do you know about Timothy Shea?
Trump needs a prosecutor at FBI.
I think shea is bad news.
Iirc, he worked with Barr to cover up the Epstein “suicide”
I listened to this from Mike the other day.
Now comes the quid pro quo with Rogers.
Since the Gaetz nomination, I have been unsettled for some reason about this choice for the DOJ. It was a surprise to all of us I suspect. Not to cast aspersions on either Gaetz or President Trump’s thinking. But is it possible that this nomination is not set in stone, not a “hill to die on”?
President Trump is engaged in a war for our Republic. And wars are made up of many battles, some won, some lost…and dare I suggest sometimes they are “lost” intentionally in order to further the aims of winning that war.
Is it possible that, with Gaetz’s acceptance playing the role of Judas goat, President Trump knew he would have a fight and so designed it as such to draw out those treacherous Deep State RINOs at the beginning?
In other words, is he strategically planning to lose this battle for reasons yet unknown?
Please forgive me for sounding as if I am off my meds…but I have a feeling there are Trumpian wheels spinning here, and we just can’t see them yet.
President Trump has made these plans since 2021; don’t underestimate him.
The only way, (I see) if he “agrees to Rogers”, BIG IF: He does so, knowing that he holds all the receipts on Rogers, Thune, etal and President Trump controls them all, whether they like it or not.
Something much larger is going on in the background; this is just the noise for show, at this moment in time.
You know I don’t underestimate him, girl.
It’s clear something is churning in the background.
I don’t believe for one solitary second President Trump will accept Rogers as head of the agency which I’m sure he knows was behind the Butler assassination attempt and probably the second at Mar-a-Lago golf course.
This is just me without my second cup of coffee trying to put the pieces of the jigsaw he has designed together.
And now for that ☕ 😎
Betsy,
I believe what shoots your theory down is the fact that Trump is personally calling Senators and asking for their support for Gaetz. I don’t think he would expend this political capital and go to this extreme effort if he did not REALLY, REALLY want Gaetz in this position. And I’m with Trump, I think Gaetz is the perfect man for this position. I admire the energy and fire he displays. I also admire that he is not at all impressed by anyone’s stature or pedigree, he goes after everyone equally, without prejudice, when necessary.
This, YES.
MIKE BENZ for FBI director
Agreed. No deal. It should be Kash Patel IMO as FBI director. Rogers will simply fight cleaning up/out FBI to an extreme degree.
Ka$h Patel believes in the goodness of the IC and fully supports warrantless searches of all Americans via FISA-702.
I listened to an interview w/Patel the other day. I don’t think that’s what he believes. However, Trump knows and I trust Trump’s judgment.
Up thread you were pushing for Trump to accept Roger’s.
?????
He openly supported it when it came up for reauthorization in 2019, from his role at DOJ.
Kash, who said he’d close FBI HQ on day one and re-open on day two as a museum.
I disagree only in scope: demolish FBI HQ, salt the earth where it once stood, and leave the rubble as a permanent DC monument to The Blob.
Just say NO
Do not negotiate with the true domestic terrorists, Democrats.
This offer came from the RINOS, not the Democrats.
The working definition of Uniparty. jmho
Not loud enough, Paul…
My offer is this.
Nothing.
No Rogers.
No Rinos.
We ride or die MAGA together
A classic line along with, “I know who I am! I’m The Dude, Playing a Dude, Disguised as Another Dude!”
NO. N-O.
Umm….yeah….no.
Rogers is unstable and supports everything we’re trying to get rid of.
Agreed. No deal.
FBI director should be Kash Patel IMO.
Rogers will oppose cleaning up/out the FBI which has become very dangerous to the citizens of the US. It must be seriously investigated and cleaned-up. No new FBI building either. They won’t need it. Many will leave the Bureau
President Trump should accept the deal, and once Gaetz and Rogers are confirmed, then fire Rogers. He can play the same kind of games they play.
Once confirmed he can move him to a job with an outpost in the Arctic.
I’ve heard Ukraine is nice this time of year.
Not a bad idea.
If it has to be just go with acting appointments and have them go nuts.
Immediatley release things like Epstein files Diddy other secrets etc.
Support will only increase
Acting appointments do not getting the same level of power as regular ones get. The are hamstrung right out of the gate.
Supreme Court ruled they do.
Screw them accept the deal and once Matt Gaetz is confirmed fire Rogers!!! Oh how I wish that was done just to show how corrupt the Senate is. What are they going to say we had a deal with President Trump??? This is hot anger territory!!! JMO
Yeah, figured that is what they would say. How about “GFY!”
Was Lizzie Cheney busy already?
I think Gaetz should show up for his confirmation hearing in a dress, with boobs, a killer hairdo, snappy heels and a b*tch*n’ handbag. Melania and Ivanka could help set him up.
I dare any of them to first, keep a straight face through their advice and consent hearings, and second, say no to their new, first ever, transgender DOJ Head.
Bring on the recess appointments.
Oh, my. This is hardball.
President Trump needs to deliver a huge “No Way”!!! Along with the American people pressuring Republican Senators to support Trump’s agenda, which is their (our) agenda. ☺️
RINOs can’t be pressured by their constituents, unless there’s a huge bankroll or blackmail involved
This is the guy who tried to go after Gaetz on the House floor. HARD NO!
That was Mike Rogers (R-AL) that went after Gaetz during the replace-McCarthy debates/votes.
There are 3 Mike Rogers:
Mike Rogers – former head of House Intel Committee
Adm. Mike Rogers – former NSA Director
Mike Rogers (R-AL) – current Chairman House Armed Services Committee.
Why does Trump have to give the Senate anything? They need his endorsement to win re-election. Confirm all his appointments or walk the plank.
THANK YOU FOR SAYING NO DEAL!!!!!!
I’m done with this type of crap. The people have spoken. Expose them all. Including Thune and the other RATs. Take it to the town square and put them all on blast. (((SPIT))))
Make the RINOs vote against Gaetz.
Agree. Need to see this codified for posterity as well as the next moves in a vote.
nope…defeats the purpose and cancels out Gaetz getting in…burn FBI to the ground….fire ENTIRE lot and start over…
Michael Corleone : Senator? You can have my answer now, if you like. My final offer is this: nothing.
Great! Put Rogers in there. Put gaetz in . Then fire Rogers .
I disagree. Take the deal. Then fire that SoB as soon as all the confirmations are done. He would be out of the committee and a job.
Ok, maybe not a brilliant idea, but I’m not the greatest President the world has ever known.
I retract this statement. They are exposing their vulnerability at FBI as the weak link.
I vote NO.
If President Trump cannot delegate authority to the person he designates, he can clean out that rat’s nest himself.
No problem. Agree to it, and then fire Rogers ten minutes after Gaetz is confirmed. The left would employ such a strategy.
No
Why not agree and then Matt Gaetz can fire Rogers for cause after giving him a legal order you know he’ll refuse to execute.
This trick will work only once but in the case of the FBI Director is necessary.
Then go the temp appointment route.
ONLY MASSIVE PHONE CALLS CAN STOP THIS A BEAUTIE …JUST DO IT ALL OF US !!!!!!! SAME AS WE STOPPED POMPEOUS AS*……
This deserves a big mickey mouse FU !
This is not a time for “deals” this is a time for MAGA Trump
to tip his head down, shove aside and bull dose forward right down the middle of the swamp.
MAGA must pave a new way forward.
A Double Mickey at the least.
It’s too bad President Trump didn’t already name his nominee for FIB Director, then this wouldn’t be available.
Christopher Wray has two years to go on his term as FBI Director. Wray would need to resign, or be fired by President Trump, before a replacement could be appointed.
Naming a replacement would send a message to Wray
Great. Take the offer and fire Rogers first time he lies or withholds info from PDJT. That should be by February.
“Reported”.
We crossed the bridge of compromise a long time ago with these vermin.
No compromises. It’s a mandate now.
No room for Rogers. MAGA only need apply.
Heck NO!!!!
To Monty Hall, Howie Mandel, Mr. Eustace Haney and senate “bleep”ership: NO DEAL. Elimination of that “entity” will be on the new (and past) sheriff’s terms.
FBI and NSA better be nonnegotiable.
Why cave now with such huge historic victories?
Use recess appointments, and whatever other tools, to deal w the tools.
Rogers is’nt MAGA material. Trump knows this. Trump is up to some 3D chess or something…
Yahtzee?
Hope it’s more like Stratego.
With Gaetz at the helm, a strong deputy and assistant deputy under Rogers not to mention the other strong arms surrounding him, don’t see why Rogers can’t be controlled. Besides, one step and it firing time.
Uh, no and F the F off. Get to the floor and do your DFJ.
If this is how it is going to be, no one learned anything holding an office from the last 4 years or this presidential campaign.
Do not deserve, even a last cigarette.
So if the Senate Republicans are really as supportive of PDJT as they say , why even offer a deal like this? Just go into recess and let him appoint who he wants. They can support the President that way.
Oh yeah, I forgot, it’s because they don’t really support him.
The only good thing is PDJT knows a lot more about DC than he did in his first term. He can stop this nonsense.
Sure.
First order as Chief Executive: Mike, you have 90 days for your organization to find and deport this list of known criminal illegal immigrants. Fail and you’re fired. Seems that with say, 12M illegals you can keep him very busy for 4 years.
Now I wonder who floated Roger’s for FBI. I now doubt that it came from the Trump side.
That’s bait, that is.
Plus how can POTUS trust them they would likely confirm Rogers first then say
opps not enough support for the others they get thier man and POTUS is played
again by them when they don;t out his people in…
This is the sausage being made — we no longer eat sausage dirt bags!!! DJT has turned us on to steak!
NO DEAL! We need the FBI gutted & reformed, too! They created & executed the Russia Collusion Hoax! Dammit to Hell! The corrupt GOP Establishment is NOT going to get in our way! The Washington DC Kleptocracy is coming down!
Make the call, Kash to FBI. Transparency is not disruptive.
No, Gaetz would be his boss. Its perfect, the AG holds ALL THE POWER. The FBI is just an investigative body, and Gaetz will deliver the PROFF to Rogers who will then be pissed that Obama came in and politicized the FBI with the lies of Comey and all his minions, meanwhile Wray took over and he just went along with the 7th floor hoods. However, when Rogers finds this out he will have to fire them because Gaetz is going to Prosecute them, LOL.
Technically, the deputy AG is their boss, which would be Blanche in this case.