The right-wing of the DC UniPParty played their role very well. With mission accomplished, U.S. Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheatle has resigned her position, following the attempted assassination of President Donald Trump.
(Via NBC) – In her resignation letter, obtained from a senior official who received it, Cheatle wrote that the “scrutiny over the last week has been intense and will continue to remain as our operational tempo increases.” She added she takes “full responsibility for the security lapse.”
“In light of recent events, it is with a heavy heart that I have made the difficult decision to step down as your Director,” wrote Cheatle, who had led the agency since September 2022. It’s unclear when her last day will be. (more)
Dept of Homeland Security, Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas, appoints Ronald Rowe as his replacement. Rowe was one of Obama’s foot soldiers who helped create the domestic surveillance and targeting mechanisms for the weaponized Intelligence Community. Go figure.
[Source]
USSS – Effective July 23, 2024, Ronald L. Rowe, Jr. serves as the Acting Director of the Secret Service. As Acting Director, he is responsible for successfully executing the agency’s integrated mission of protection and investigations by leading a diverse workforce composed of more than 7,800 Special Agents, Uniformed Division Officers, Technical Law Enforcement Officers, and Administrative, Professional, and Technical personnel.
Prior to this appointment, he served as Deputy Director of the Secret Service in April 2023. In this role, Mr. Rowe was responsible for the direct oversight of the agency’s daily investigative and protective operations. Mr. Rowe also guided the agency’s policies and was responsible for introducing state-of-the-art technologies to enhance the agency’s protective countermeasures.
Prior to his appointment as Deputy Director, Mr. Rowe served as the agency’s Assistant Director for the Office of Intergovernmental and Legislative Affairs. He was responsible for leading the Secret Service’s engagement with Congress, the Department of Homeland Security and other government partners.
Mr. Rowe’s previous executive experience within the Secret Service includes serving as the Chief of Staff to the Director (2021), Deputy Assistant Director for the Office of Protective Operations (2018-2021) and as the Deputy Assistant Director for the Office of Intergovernmental and Legislative Affairs (2017-2018).
During his 24-year career with the U.S. Secret Service, Mr. Rowe has also coordinated major security operations, collaborating with other government and law-enforcement agencies. Mr. Rowe managed a National Special Security Event (NSSE) and oversaw the operations of more than 7,000 personnel across federal, state and local jurisdictions (2016). On the cybersecurity front, Mr. Rowe was selected for a joint duty assignment to the National Intelligence Council (2013), where he spearheaded the development of multiple analytic products. Those products were later considered to be among the most authoritative assessment by the U.S. Intelligence Community regarding the challenges and national security threats facing the United States.
Mr. Rowe aided the National Security Council as a National Security and Law Enforcement Policy Advisor (2011), where he developed the President’s strategy to combat state-sponsored economic espionage and the theft of U.S. trade secrets and other intellectual properties. Other accolades in Mr. Rowe’s career at the Secret Service include being selected to the staff of the U.S. Senate’s Committee on the Judiciary (2008-2011) and being assigned to the Presidential Protective Detail (2004-2008). (more)
I just looked-up “ANTIPATHETIC” and saw her photo.
“Apathetic”? Meaning don’t care.
“Are you ignorant, or apathetic?”
“Don’t know, don’t care.”
So both…..ha, love that one.
“Will get back to you on that.”
“The answer is no.”
antipathetic
adjective
Tucker’s interview with Jack Poso is the best account of the assassination attempt you will see today. Two hours long and worth watching every minute. You will not be bored.
https://x.com/JackPosobiec/status/1815540721580990853
Ugh
agree
I will give Tucker this vs some others: He clearly states the government is involved in killing and attempting to kill it’s own citizens and is guilty until they prove otherwise. Good for him. Enough of the “inept” nonsense. We saw what happened. We aren’t stupid.
The Disturbing Story Of The Heart Attack Gun Invented By The CIA During The Cold War
https://allthatsinteresting.com/heart-attack-gun
Heart attacks. And cancer, too.
One of Oswald’s paramours was a researcher for the CIA, working on exactly that, using black prison inmates as guinea pigs. It was very far along by the time of Dallas.
Jack Ruby insisted to his death it was the CIA that killed him, with a cancer weapon.
We have not even touched on MK-Ultra and all the other sick programs the Nazis brought over with them.
The CIA is evil.
Long time no see friend,
They cancer zapped one of our generations greatest researchers just a few years ago. I was devastated when I found out. He was working on the Lincoln Assassination when he was murdered
Frank Church and John Tower both dead cancer and a plane crash exposed so much via the Church Committee of the deep state one of the biggest Operation Mockingbird C_IA control of the media. We were warned.
Always wondered about Breitbart.
Andrew was about to reveal something big.
And then he was gone.
Seems Obama is the protagonist in all things evil. He definitely has a vendetta against Trump, he’s jealous.
“Right before the blogger’s death he claimed to have videos that showed President Obama’s ties to radicals in the 1980s. The videos are going to come out, Breitbart had said. The narrative is going to come out that Barack Obama met a bunch of silver ponytails back in the 1980s like Bill [Ayers] and Bernadine Dorhn who, equally radical, said ‘One day we’re going to have the presidency.’
Many believed that he didn’t die of natural causes, and thought that his claims of video footage of Obama lead him to be assassinated.”
The LA corner was going to issue an opinion the next day, he was poisoned. They found it in his milk.
Was that Hollywood & Vine?
Wheens, no, most here at CTH are not stupid. Most- look around, a lot of new people here in the last few months. Some of them always backing or calling out anything contrary to the Uniparty message.
Those here, who are true Treepers, not plants (people, they are here, they are in every message board), did see what happened and we have been outlining the crazy BS from the mouthpieces since.
I love that they feel they can pass off so many “screw ups” and “lack of conservatives thinking” or “mistakes were made” as just that- incompetence. And do so like it’s no big deal.
If it was incompetence- then the whole senior leadership team, up to and including the department heads need fired, and if found to be negligent, charged- just like the local police would do…but, it’s the Uniparty.
But, we all know it was not gross incompetence or negligence- it was a planned operation with key details covered and suppressed. Easy to do when when the FBI is in charge.
Too bad this wasn’t a garage pull at a NASCAR race- it would be solved…..
I agree with everything you said but one.
Treepers may not always be recognized posters. I have been everyday for nine years but do not often post, I am not in every message board.
I know they can be infuriating. But Don’t attack the ones who haven’t figured everything out yet, educate.
I understand and can appreciate that you may not post a lot but have been a long time treeper. I recognize those people by their comments. The plants- they are different. They are relentless with their push for you to see it their way; so much so that they act as if this is a normal place to speak…..they think we are like the idiots over on Twitter or Disqus, they use the same tactics.
Watch, read, pay attention to the minute details in their language and points of view. You will pick them out 90 percent of the time. No need to call them out, just ignore them.
I am aware of that. They also work in teams, supporting each others comments. Sometimes they are overly aggressive and sometimes they like to instill doubt, yes, they easy to spot. Just alert the Moderators.
I come here for the naked truth, the insight, and to learn, not to waste my time arguing with dingbats.
Same here, I can argue with dingbats on Disqus or Truth….but that has gotten old because it’s the same rehashed talking points from them….over and over.
The insistence that we agree with them is the tell.
That’s a newbie
Yes Paul Reveres Horse. It’s a gas lighting style of circular, manipulative word jujitsu that reeks of the liberal mindset. It makes one feel they are conversing with a 15 yr old whose “dog ate the homework, ” and “you never actually said I couldn’t do that.” An example is what we saw former Director LeCheat try on Lauren Boebert at the Hearing. She didn’t get far. You could see Boebert just snickered with irritation and then drilled her down even harder. That “I don’t know” evasive school girlish horse manure LeCheat tried throughout her testimony is one big reason she is now a former Director. Liberals think that BS flies because they’ve seen the Democrats get away with it constantly in their high profile Kangaroo Court venues like the Impeachment trials, J6 Committee etc. They don’t realize they just make jackasses out of themselves and disgust most reasonable people. One can only wonder if Cheatle went home and laughed at us after making her statement about not putting counter snipers on the roof because the slope was too dangerous for the agents. (Did she actually think that up or did she maybe get coaching from Comey?)
most of us can tell the difference
The daily readers and posters
of the excellent research posted by
Sundance are not stupid. Whether one only reads
and does not comment daily, those
seldom comments can be weeded out
from the trolls
one of the takes is that we don’t ask
stupid questions that have already
been asked and answered multiple times
over many weeks and months
It is so easy these days to parcel out a
MAGA from Rino and liberal whack jobs.
Allow me to give you the verbiage you are looking for.
Hanlon’s Razor is a maxim which states: ”Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by incompetence.”
However, there is a flaw in this maxim, in that it ASSUMES goodwill.
But the US govt lost it’s claim to goodwill LONG ago. More specifically, and in the case of PDJT’s attempted assassination, it lost it when the CIA killed JFK. As for the other three letter agencies, each has lost it’s entitlement to assumed goodwill, and this many times over, for each of them.
“Be as wise as serpents”
Serpents would attempt to trade on Hanlon’s Razor, commit crime, and then attempt to avoid accountability by claiming incompetence.
Given the glaring failures in the case at hand, THIS MUST NOT BE AFFORDED TO THE USSS.
Therefore….
Prudence and logic dictate that any investigation into the attempted murder of PDJT, the murder of one of his supporters, and the shooting of two others must FIRST eliminate any possibility that there were NOT intentional “mistakes” made by the USSS.
And while it may not be possible to find smoking gun evidence of a conspiracy to commit murder (ESPECIALLY FOLLOWING THE CROWDSTRIKE DATA ERASURE COMPUTER OUTAGE), all those in positions of authority in providing protection to PDJT should be criminally charged, indicted, tried, convicted, and sentenced for GROSS NEGLIGENCE, RECKLESS ENDANGERMENT, AND PROFESSIONAL MISCONDUCT.
Ergo, Hanlon’s Razor does NOT apply in the case at hand, but it is exactly what the serpents are counting on.
But the US govt lost it’s claim to goodwill LONG ago. More specifically, and in the case of PDJT’s attempted assassination, it lost it when the CIA killed JFK.
Good will was lost when those withing the military industrial complex decided they could, and should, create within our government an entity capable of successfully, and anonymously, assassinating our president. Fat Man, Little Boy, and the death of Adolf didn’t end a war, it simply changed the targets for those in power who aim the big guns.
If it’s not incompetence, maybe you were meant to know.
“Right now, tea party extremism contaminates the whole Republican brand.”
–David Frum, Oct 14, 2013
From Iraq To Trump, David Frum Has Always Been A Cancer On The Body Politic
“David Frum’s article blaming Trump for his own assassination attempt reminds us that he has always been a petty egotist.”
https://thefederalist.com/2024/07/18/from-iraq-to-trump-david-frum-has-always-been-a-cancer-on-the-body-politic/
David who? Yah, I’ve heard his name but guess what- I don’t give two hoots what David Frum thinks…..he’s a NYT’s guy, right?
And, so? But yet, so many elevate his opinions to those of God status….why? Why do they do that? Who gives a crap what’s some two but leftist who works for a leftist rag thinks? Too much energy has already been spent on Frum by me….
TJ, your point is not lost but I’m not one of those morons….so, Frum who.
I totally agree with you. We give them way too much of time and attention. Whenever someone says “they lied to us”. I say NO. They do not lie to me. They do not talk to me. When their mouths are moving my ears are closed and my mind space is encased in titanium. Therefore they do not/cannot lie to me. I know who/what they are. That’s all I need.
Exactly; they can’t lie to those who know they are lying because it’s not being heard.
Are we still surprised that a 20-year old kid who was 4 years of age when Broc*O*Bomination started the demise of America? The kid has heard since 2015 and forward, that Orange Man Bad, he is a threat to our (the Communist type of) Democracy. Did this kid just think that he was doing something good. I have a grandson the same age, and I know what he heard and saw. Thank God, my daughter talks with her three and sets them has taught them about propaganda.
Not enough blood splatter. No brain, bone, tissue splatter. Face/ head still pretty much intact.
“This Kid ?”
My 🫏.
Your little pony?
A lot of 20-year old kids stormed the beaches at Normandy. And fought their way through the caves of Iwo Jima. Many were trained snipers, killers, stealth, brutally efficient killing machines. 20 years old is plenty old enough to take a shot at another human being. The question is, where did he get his training since he left high school?
It must be almost a daily reminder. We don’t have children but have friends with grown children & grandkids. Even the grandparents ask these kids daily “what did you learn in school today” or “what did you work on in school today.” They’ve gotten F’s for saying there’s only 2 sexes or referring to God & we’re in rural America.
We have another assassination attempt & no answers 10 days into it. This is brutal. And the media is back adoring Kamala & trashing Trump.
Like Vannity with his little CUA pin, proclaiming what good people they are.
If only the GOP would say the same thing, the dems would lie and say they shot at Biden if it happened the other way.
Stand Down.
I agree. I have passed it around.
Former Secret Service Agent Dan Bongino was very good also. Well worth the time.
I love Bongino and have followed him since 2016. But lately he has become kind of arrogant and loose with his language. I only listen to his podcasts now as his radio has a terrible signal to noise ratio. Commercials and intramural banter are a waste of time.
But his information is almost always spot on and his insights are good.
I just wish he’d clean it up a bit and be more humble
I think he can tone down his F word usage. He would make a great SECRET SERVICE DIRECTOR, NO?
Agree……
Today, more information has come out.
Yesterday Oversight Committee …
11 members actually went
to Butler Farms. Walked the scene and
area. Asked questions. Took pictures and
videos. One 70 yr old member even walked
the “sloped roof “😁
PA State Police Commissioner Col Paris
provided a LOT of information.
😉 😉 Which is probably why it was
brought up yesterday during Cheatle
dog and pony show that she had not been
to the scene.
During this hearing the second floor
window, etc. was discussed. A lot
of information from this hearing…
Examining the Assassination Attempt of July 13 – YouTube
☝️ ☝️ ☝️ ☝️
Just a few highlights…..
hours….
Luttrell 3:00
Brecheen 3:40
Green 4:00
Bishop 4:13
The whole hearing is worth listening to.
FYI, this from comments yesterdays article- “The Dog that Didn’t Bite” –
Winston
July 22, 2024 10:02 pm
EXCELLENT Tucker interview from today even beyond the new shooting info I have heard nowhere else:
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2024/07/22/july-22nd-2024-presidential-politics-resistance-day-1281/comment-page-5/#comment-10963785
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Sundance Author
Sundance (@Sundance)
July 22, 2024 10:30 pm
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Some of that is totally wrong analysis.
Oops – Bark, not Bite…. Sorry Sundance! 😬😄
It was an excellent interview.
Great discussion especially the part of Western Government’s hatred and overtly killing White Christians!
Tucker has said what cannot be said more than once. His interview with Col Macgregor a year ago openly discussed the White House hatred of Orthodox Christian Russians as a centuries old religious grudge dating from before the murder of Czar Nicholas and his family by the Bolsheviks! Pointing out that the people running the White House would risk the nuclear destruction of the United States in order to satisfy their Hatfield and McCoy Feud with Orthodox Christian Russia!
The Soviet’s came to America under the guise of “Religious Persecution”. They then worked their way into positions of power & influence.
You ever watch the show “Finding Your Roots”? You should friend CJ. You watch you’ll see. Remember what I told you about one side of Wall St backing the International Socialist Soviets, & the other the National Socialists. When its put like that its easy to see.
Well of course MayPorkAss is doing the Lightbringer’s bidding.
Communist birds of a feather will always flock together.
Especially non-American ones born in foreign lands. At least Mayorkas doesn’t pretend…where BHO had to in order to get elected.
When Trump is in office both Mayorkas and Rowe are out of a job.
More like being served indictments.
Bingo as it should be. I would only add arrested and frog marched in front of the US public daily. There are enough treasonous SOB’s to do a roundup and frog march for each daily WH briefing. J-6er’s doing the announcing.
What America wanted to hear:
“Director Cheater. I’ve been listening to your effing BS for two hours now. If you pull that sh-t on me, I will come down there and slap the effing truth out of your lying, murdering, beyatch mouth. You got that?”
1928A1 is Nancy Mace?
Who knew? 🙂
Its possible. Every member of Congress, or atbleast their staff, are awarevof Sundance and CTH, because they each recieved (probably several but I know at least ONE) copy of Sundances article on regitigers take on J6.
and we have had a # of famous treepers over the years, some as lurkers only, some that have posted.
Shhhhh! Only on weekends on Fire Island!
Waterboard time she knows who gave the order to kill Trump… We need a name by any means necessary
FJB. It is that easy. Just look at the shoot to kill order in the Mar-A-Lago swat raid. They didn’t bring an ambulance when they swat raided Roger Stone, Paul Manaford, Michael Cohen, Giuliani, etc.
I missed that, good girl. Bitch on Bitch.
You need a bitch to handle other bitches. We men could do it but I was taught it’s wrong to hit girls. Now, if they throw a punch like a man….well, then, that bitch should’ve known better. Sorry gals, it’s the way of the hood…..you act like a man, then you better expect to be hit like a man. Seen it many times; the bitch in those situations always seemed to learn to not act like a man in future conflicts.
Could it be someone tapped her on the shoulder and said,
“They now have indisputable proof it was an inside job.” ?
We can all probably write his introduction script: “What happened is inexcusable, but our agents are second to none in the world. We are going to fix this so it never happens again. If I have to, I will put my gigantic block head on a post next to the protectee.”
Human Events reported today that eight shell casings were found with/near Crooks.
So I guess this means that some of the preliminary sound analysis that there were 3 shots and then 5 shots from a different gun were just wrong?
Mysteriously it seems that the evidence is lining up to be a lone gunman.
Maybe he switched guns between shots 1-3 and 4-8.
Impossible. The sounds and echos are different.
Wrong. The shots sound different when you hear them in succession. If you isolate each shot and play the sound one at a time, they will sound much the same. They also have the same acoustic signal and the delay between the sound of the bullet going by and the shot being recorded was consistently 0.22 secs. If there were different guns, that delay would be different between two sets of shots. Moreover, photos in the immediate aftermath show only one rifle near the shooter. You can’t dispose of a second rifle when you are dead.
could have shoot from inside building and placed the casing on the roof these people are quite clever…
The earliest pictures show none. They’re full of it. And the shot sounds are distinctly different, indicating at minimum 2 weapons. He only had one, that is not disputed anywhere.
Further that would imply that nobody ever fired back at him (despite knowing & having eyes on him), & then simply watched & allowed him to continue firing on PDJT & attendees 8 times, doing absolutely nothing!!?
That’d look far worse for the SS, etc. & very complicit were it true.
Did he kill himself?
On the same show I think they said that the kill shot on Crooks came from over 400 yds.
I’m assuming that would be a 9th shot taken.
I have yet to here anyone say where that shot (if taken) came from.
How far is the water tower (platform below it) from Crooks position on the roof?
Regarding the differing sounds of the shots (1-3 vs 4-8/9) I agree with some previous comments.
I don’t see how they try to square that with regard to the audio sounds.
I expect it will be that the microphone recording the sounds were in a different position.
But I don’t think that the stage microphone could be the only sound location analyzed.
I listened again to the Human Events program.
I didn’t pick up where they (Senator Johnson) addressed the 9th shot.
I must have been conflating the 400 yd shot with other reporting I have seen.
If I recall correctly, Dan Bongino’s reporting is that the kill shot on Crooks came from 2nd Counter Sniper team that was on the sides of PDJT. Not the team that is on the video recordings.
But I’m not sure if my recollection is correct on this report either.
The way I heard the audio, the first three shots were clearly from the same weapon. The first one of these shots was the one that hit Trump, then went on to hit someone in the stands and then ricochet off the railing. The 4th, 5th, 7th and 8th shots were clearly from a different weapon, and these were likely the shots Crooks fired.
The sixth shot was also a different weapon, likely the shot by the local police sniper that missed. The 9th shot came almost 10 seconds after the 8th shot, and was the SS sniper shot that killed Crooks. Total of four separate weapons: DS assassin who hit Trump (3 shots), Crooks (4 shots), local sniper (1 shot), SS sniper (1 shot).
There is no viable 490 yard shot to Crooks visible in the satellite imagery. There is a perfect 490 yd shot to the podium from across the road. That location doesn’t seem to have a line of sight to the location of Crooks.
So, a 400 yd plus shot to take out Crooks is doubtful. The water tower is not far enough, and, I can’t remember and am away from my computer, but I believe that the line of sight is questionable. If this is wrong, please someone post a correction. I won’t get to before the thread is stale.
Several people, the first I am aware of was Erik Prince, quoted a 488 yd counter sniper shot that ended the shooting. I don’t know where Prince got that number. Perhaps the gunman was struck from a position 488 yds from the stage, but without a guided bullet, I don’t see how without being there. Ask Josh Hawley. I’d say he was looking at that perspective.
Google maps shows 100% direct LOS 368 yards from roof of M&R Power Eqt across the street. About 400 yards 90% direct LOS from roof of Baglier Mazda next door to M&R.
Paste to browser:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Butler+Farm+Show+Inc./@40.8569938,-79.9743438,504m/data=
!3m1!1e3!4m6!3m5!1s0x88337d9afc83da3f:0x92ffe08b085eb97e!8m2!3d40.855805!4d-79.972949!16s%2Fg%2F1tghdst7?entry=ttu
neither are high enough, Mazda would have been occupied.
The Grassley video shows clear line of sight from St. John’s Reformed Church steeple, a covered, open sided belfry. This has line of sight to Crooks, and to the stage. Long shots, 600 yd to Crooks, and 750 yds to stage. That’s close enough for government work.
I have been more interested in Butler Gymnastics because it lines up perfectly with the 488 yd. shot. I don’t believe it had line of sight to Crooks, however.
My purpose was to find a location where a counter sniper covering Trump’s location could have also acted on Crook’s location. Even if this were a planned hit, there would have been need to cover why the sniper was in his location. SS wouldn’t say they put someone at point X in case a shooter turned up at point Y.
This may not be necessary now. Grassley is after a SS drone operation in the area. He didn’t specifically mention an armed drone. I had wondered about this, but doubted they would have used an armed drone at a rally. Maybe were getting somewhere.
If 9th was kill shot… building behind him, open window seen in earliest aerial footage. So perhaps at close range as he was fleeing.
The claimed shot from that far distance via counter sniper rifle would’ve blown his head apart-
*(see video demonstrating this in other relevant feeds, or Gateway Pundit had a story on it.)
How many seconds would it take for him to have run or slid halfway down the roof- where he was found & blood flow correlates? If we had an accurate time of the final shot, this could be telling in relation to the other shots.
I don’t believe he took those first 3 shots, & he panicked & then tried to flee (whether or not he took any of the 4-8, idk)
I think you are on to something. Possibly Crooks was supposed to shoot after he heard shots from the open window? So, 3 shots from the window, and the others from Crooks?
That room you are talking about had to be “officially” EMPTY. If anyone was up there, they would have had a complete view of the roof. With all the people shouting about the sniper on the roof, it would have taken a second for someone in that room to hear that, spot Crooks, then either shout to verify his identity or to take him out. Additionally, from the SkyNews helicopter footage, the window of that room was OPEN. The window opened outward to the right, so it would not have impeded anyone from law enforcement (local or SS) from taking action.
So, given that the room was EMPTY, who was up there ???
I also wonder if shooting across that hot roof might have made things a bit less easy, for example:
“I think you are on to something. Possibly Crooks was supposed to shoot after he heard shots from the open window? So, 3 shots from the window, and the others from Crooks?”
Exactly. I believe he was told to hold fire until he heard the first shots from below. The first three shots were from the DS assassin, then 4, 5, 7, 8 were from Crooks. 6 was the local sniper shot that missed, and 9 was the SS sniper shot that got Crooks.
It wasn’t. You’re obfuscating evidence. The hypersonic snap and gun discharge time proves distance. Not mic location.
I know what I heard and saw. I was watching this live. Shots 1-3 were from s semi automatic weapon. Light caliber. Shots 4 – 8 were from a different automatic weapon. Shot 9 was a third weapon
1-3 and 4-8 from different weapons is what I understood the audio analysis guy describe.
When someone suggested (not sure if it was the same guy doing the analysis) that Crooks may not have fired the first 3 shots, I thought that made sense.
Yeah it’s whoever counts the shells that counts.
17 Intelligence Agencies and 51 Intelligence Agents. 🙁
Kinda like votes.
His body was on a snow white roof, and if he was killed by a head shop from a countersniper, there should have been a 5′ cone of blood, brain/tissue but there isn’t.
WTF?
Just one of many unexplained and unaccounted for oddities.
That’s what I’m thinking. A head shit from a.300-.308 is going to crater a skull.
At least that’s what I have heard from people who know more than me
Exactly.
Having used a triple two extensively since 1962, then a two two three for the past 10 years, I can confirm that even stranger results have been seen in that time.
Perhaps the projectile merely clipped his skull, the impact of which would cause much blood loss, (depending upon a number of factors)?
It also depends upon the type of projectile used and exactly where it struck – sometimes just a neat little hole with perhaps a broken bone and no exit wound with bullet found under the skin where it ‘should’ have exited, other times including major internal damage, yet other times an exploded mangled mess where much flesh and bone has simply disappeared.
Until we know a few (many) more pertinent details, it is simply an assumption made about what “should” have happened.
Just an observation from practical application.
I would also posit that, with the impact of the round, he could well have thrown his rifle to where it was found – depending upon how it affected his nervous system.
BUT, having said that (and possibly being incorrect in my assumption), what if he was told to leave the rifle and make his way back across the roof to “safety” – hence rifle and body locations.
In his death throes his body should/could naturally move down the roof slope, one would think – and bleeding wouldn’t necessarily be immediate, upon projectile impact (but that depends upon a number of factors, as well).
I think we should ignore everything the government tells us and go by film from cameras and eye witnesses etc.
Think about it. Forensics has been firing the rifle into a water tank to obtain rifling mark evidence on bullets. They probably have dozens of empties.
I think that was how they came up with the third casing in the JFK assassination. As the weekend was almost over, the Powers That Be decided they had to account for bystander James Tague getting wounded from a fragment when a shot struck the curb in front of him. On Friday, the narrative was two shots/two hits with one bullet hitting both JFK and Connelly. By Monday a third casing changed the narrative to three shots/ two hits. The casing that entered the flow of evidence (since Oswald was dead, there would be no trial) had some anomalies, like a deeper impression in the primer and multiple magazine follower and extractor marks compared to the first two. There was also a dent in the area around the lip of the casing, where the bullet inserts.
The physics of sound cannot lie. You are a traitor.
Who is a traitor?
And I’m not obfuscating anything.
I’m trying to contribute to the board as best I can by sharing the information that I believe I heard.
Who the F do you think you are?
No one knows what information we are gleaning has what degree of truth associated with it.
I dont know anything about the physics of the sound analysis.
I don’t know who fired how many shots or where they came from.
If you are a definitive expert just lay it all out for us so we will know.
Agree, smells like disinformation
Mysteriously. Was that before or after the roof was hosed?
There are photos of the body still on the roof, so reasonably well before the hosing, but with no spray.
It’s possible he fired 4-8 rapidly by bump fire while holding it higher than the first three shots. The echo would change with the distance from the roof and whether the muzzle was on one side of the ridge or the other. The brass from shots 1-3 likely landed close together and rolled down the slope. Brass from 4-8 would be more scattered and again roll down the slope.
“It’s possible he fired 4-8 rapidly by bump fire”
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As possible as an elephant pole vaulting 18′. 45 years experience tells me there was NO BUMP FIRE and NO AUTOMATIC WEAPON fire. Only semi-auto fire.
I’ll rephrase to say that 4 thru 8 were fired rapidly and were not well aimed. “Spray and pray” moves the barrel enough to alter the way its reports reflect off nearby surfaces.
If they say that all the shell casings were found near each other they are lying. And it’s just more evidence that this was a setup, because the audio and video evidence indisputably contradicts that statement. When they say things like this, they are following along with their plan for what they thought would be the post-assassination period. Kill Trump and tamper with evidence so they can say: lone gunman.
Unfortunately for them, this little operation was so sloppily planned and executed that there is a vast amount of evidence that proves they are lying. The sloppiness of the whole thing also points right at Zero.
Reset,redistribute, and rebui…………
Harvard’s Shocking Admission: Affirmative Action and Critical Race Theory Killed South Africa
https://revolver.news/2023/11/harvard-report-reluctantly-tells-the-truth-about-what-killed-south-africa/
I bet she wishes she’d gone to Aspen.
In other words, President Trump is still in danger.
That IS the functioning bottom line, isn’t it.
Obviously. And so are we all.
This Government is now the Evil Empire that Reagan spoke of 40 years ago.
He had no idea how right he was. He was just looking in the wrong direction.
Someone finally accepts responsibility but it’s very unsatisfying.
Yes and no. His team are said to now have the tech equipment they were earlier denied, and at the Convention he was NOT being guarded by 5’3″ ponytails.
He has always been in danger, many here have frequently prayed for him, expressing legitimate concerns for his safety.
Its just that now, we have a hightened awareness.
Build a security apparatus, get security apparatchiks.
Crossfire Hurricane 3: In Uniparty We NeverTrust
Former Republican National Security Officials for Biden
https://www.defendingdemocracytogether.org/national-security/
Democrats have given Democracy a bad name.
If there’s one mantra, one bugaboo, one scare tactic that Democrats repeat over and over it’s that President Trump will end or destroy “our Democracy.” Never once will a Democrat define their vision of democracy. However, if you look to their actions you can easily determine that they have no one definition of democracy. Democrats see democracy as an ever changing paradigm, or situational democracy if you please. They rely on a public that is dumb, stupid, apathetic, un-curious, or just don’t give a flying fig. Independent thinking and decision-making are not the hallmarks of followers of the Democrats/socialists/communists.
To them destroying democracy is anytime they don’t win and stay in power.
Another question never asked/answered;
“How, specifically will PDJT be the end of Democracy as we know it?”
That’s a question democrats never answer.
Because he will take away their ability to be tyrants and they don’t like that.
The definition of “democracy” for a democrat is communism. Every time you hear
A democrat bemoan the “threat to democracy” they are referring to their ability to transform America into a communist country with them at the helm.
changing paradigm
Social democracy.
He took a bullet for democracy.
CS Lewis wrote about “democracy” being a weasel word for socialism, and he was correct.
There will be more attempts on Trump’s life.
What, you think Butler was the FIRST?
Theres a reason why we see very little of Melania and Barron, and Ivanka has dropped out of the spotlight, as well.
It was very clear why Baron was not at the Convention. Our Melania is trying to give him the best chance for surviving. Talk about having a bullseye on your back. God, please keep them all safe.
He needs to be behind bullet proof glass going forward and have his own security staff..no more SS agents.
I wonder if people who are invited to share the stage (before, or from now on) sign a waiver against bodily harm from an attempt on Trump?
Yep. Government is at the ” So what are you gonna do about it” stage.
So the DEI hires are basically a cover for the real operators?
Seems that way..
Sure, just like Chris Wray, taking comfort in his ignorance and his pompador,…while 2-3 levels down, but still on the 7th or perhaps 6th floor, are where the real power resides,..
Yep.
Commit a crime, then blame it on incompetence.
Trading on Hanlon’s Razor, which assumes goodwill, in order to conceal their malice.
Very machiavellian.
Well, they do appear to be big enough to provide coverage…….
DEI hires are always the useful idiots.
Trump needs to fire Rowe. The entire federal government needs to go from the SES down to the Frontline staff.
Mike Pompeo lost a lot of weight didn’t he? He thought he might look more attractive when he was nominated Nikki the tick Haley’s VP.
What gall it took for them to show up at the RNC Convention, and so disappointing they didn’t get booed like Turtle did. They are all in the same reptile family.
Rodent.
Pompeo seems to me to be a rodent, a greasy rat.
Sorry, but rats are some of the most intelligent and compassionate animals on earth, unlike many of our ‘brothers & sisters’. A rat will endanger its own safety to assist another rat in trouble, will share its food with a stranger rat if hungry, can and do detect bombs for us humans,… I’ve raised many rats in 60+ years and I’ll take a rat over a democrat human any day. Please don’t continue to disparage the rats! Thank you
Was this Ronald Rowe the case officer or handler for Thomas Crooks?
Subotai Bahadur
ps. I will also note that there was testimony in the House Homeland Security Committee today by the Pennsylvania Police Commissioner that a local counter-sniper team was pulled from a position overlooking where Crooks set up just before he got there. One wonders at whose orders.
Go ahead and impeach that Commie NOW!
President Trump just told Jesse Watters that SS tried to put him on a stretcher and he refused.
I think that move — and standing up, pumping his fist yelling “Fight!” — may have helped save his life. From SS.
TGP has the story.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/07/trump-recounts-little-argument-secret-service-during-pa/
Notice how quickly PDJT got Dr. Ronnie Jackson to come and treat him, basically stiff arming the Military Drs. that normally treat the POTUS?
He got a Dr. he could TRUST, so safe to assume PDJT may not be saying all he suspects or knows.
Yes!!
Trump knows he’s no safer than a paddle boarder, boarding in MV, behind a former President’s residence, while he’s there, about to release a book, and “drowns” in a few feet of water despite being a great swimmer.
Yes!!
Well, figures Mayorkas would appoint Rowe (and no, not the great America First/Trades as a career Rowe)…but according to Bongino and a few others this is a typical government “out of the frying pan and into the fire” appointment. Rowe is the same as Cheatle.
One would need a very fine screen to sift through the SES in DC to find a civil servant who is both 100% loyal to the U.S. Constitution and willing to put political affiliation aside to do the right thing. That’s why they have so few whistle blowers willing to come forward to expose the corruption on their side.
It’s not like there aren’t deadly consequences to whistleblowers, particularly with the stakes as h8gh as they are.
Same old wine, brand new bottle?
New boss, just like the old boss.
Same old sh*t, new day.
So kabuki theater hearings where GOP get to scold her in public. We get no information – ongoing investigation. She resigns with a gold plated retirement package and gets rehired by some other NGO. What’s next a book deal – the good ole money laundering apparatus in DC politics. I am disgusted by no accountability in our government. Obama sure did structure the weaponization of government to a fine tune.
REMINDER…..
As the SCOTUS reminded us in a recent ruling….as POTUS, PDJT will have the authority (and every justifiable reason) to appoint a Special Counsel to investigate the “failures” on the part of the USSS in this matter, while giving the SC a very BROAD mandate to look into who stood to gain from PDJT’s death, both how as well as why.
That SC report would be a thermonuclear bombshell on DC, especially if it carried indictments with it.
Keep in mind, too, that there is now a lengthy list of conservative attorneys who have been targeted by the Deep State and leftist lawfare practitioners…like Rudy Gulliani…who would have personal dogs in the hunt.
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The head Secret Service person at the event should be fired.
….and indicted on charges of criminal negligence, reckless endangerment, and professional misconduct.
Assuming, of course, that no evidence can be found that any of the above was intentional. If such evidence was found, then the charges would be murder in the 2nd, attempted murder, plus a handful of others.
new creep
same as the old creep
I guess I’m temporarily wrong, but I can’t help but think FJB will at least appoint a gay black man or another tranny to replace Cheatle.
P.S. Cheatle was at the RNC Convention to throw a cocktail party for SS elites. I’m glad Republican Senators hounded her.
Big deal she resigned. All part of getting the assassination attempt of the headlines. She should have resigned the next day. She dragged it out as long as she could and will no doubt be rewarded. Disgusting
I’m sure Dan Bongino will give us some info on this new appointment.
Those were the years he was USSS. Stay tuned!
“On the cybersecurity front, Mr. Rowe was selected for a joint duty assignment to the National Intelligence Council (2013), where he spearheaded the development of multiple analytic products.”…
Hmmm….
“The president has put in place an organization that contains a kind of database that no one has ever seen before in life that’s going to be very, very powerful…And that database will have information about everything on every individual in ways that it’s never been done before. He’s been very smart… I mean it’s very powerful what he’s leaving in place.” – Maxine Waters said of Obama
Is there a connection?
If you repeat the lie often enough….
“Mistakes were made…”
Being female and surviving America’s Central Banks to the ranks of VP I can state there are many professional women who are competent, decisive leaders who deliver. It’s govt that continuously puts on display women who are chosen for all the wrong reasons. Most are often under-qualified, many never really achieving accomplishments of note and exhibit mediocre thinking at best. Democrat or Republican few females are outside that box I just described. This week two examples are in the news. Both failed miserably in the performance of their jobs and both support a stereotype that most of us had to overcomer more than I care to remember. One thinks she’ll be President and the other doesn’t understand she almost killed a President. Kamala and Cheatle, and women like them, are the reason the glass ceiling is so thick and after decades of women in the workplace. I doubt America will easily cast aside the mental image of an overweight female USSS agent on Presidential detail struggling to holster her gun.
Its not really about Women; the Govt. has built it into the Institutions to encourage/reward incompetence, and discourage innovation, independent thinking, taking responsibility, etc.
I have actually known many good workers, at the municipal and State level, I think Federal is the worst for rewarding ineptness/incompetence, and punishing competence and initiative.
In the military we called it being promoted to the level of their incompetence. It was always the shit heads and POS sailors who were always skating and avoiding the real work that seemed to get promoted to E-7 and above the fastest.
While everyone else is working they study for their exams and kiss the right asses for their evaluations. Meanwhile the grunts grunt while they place shithead leaders above us.
I guess that’s it then. People will remember that she resigned and will think we got to the bottom of it while forgetting that we never actually got any answers, and it just all quietly goes away.
When will Mayorkas offer his resignation?
Always thought this was another reason for the planned assassination. If they miss, encourage Trump to not do outdoor rallys.
Have a safe perimeter and any potential sniper positions are blocked from LOS with curtains, flags etc. hung from cranes. You can’t hit what you can’t see.
yes, the Trump large rallys have always been a sore spot for THEM, because they have been a very effective campaign tool for him.
The SITE for the Butler rally was all wrong, but it would have been fine if the SS had properly secured the high ground.
PDJT CAN have large rallys, even at outdoor venues.
Sounds like more election interference by the federal government and political opponents of MAGA.
“Prior to this appointment, he served as Deputy Director of the Secret Service in April 2023. In this role, Mr. Rowe was responsible for the direct oversight of the agency’s daily investigative and protective operations.”
I guess that would include chain of command on 7/13.
Kimberly has lots of time to go to Aspen now. Her payout (even if she failed the assignment) will probably be quite profitable.
I am starting to think whomever is behind Kim Cheatle and her rogue USSS assassin group were inspired by the plot used in the Mark Wahlberg movie…Shooter.
Great movie! However, Crooks was no Bob Lee Swager. He was just a kid having the luckiest day of his life until the bullet hit his melon. President Trump also had the luckiest day of his life; divine luck.
She’s not even hot.
Permanent resting bitch face.
And a bad liar.
This was a an easy one.
Now force Wray annd Mayorkas out.
I hope this new guy isn’t on the verge of retirement. He’s been with the Secret Service for 24 years? Is he eligible for retirement now? If so, I’ll bet $$ he retires in January 2025 before Trump takes over.
Was there a second shooter? Watch to the end.
BREAKING: Evidence suggests second gunman involved in Trump assassination attempt (youtube.com)
Notice youtube doesn’t seem to be censoring most of these conspiracy theory videos, about the incident in Butler.
Someone tech savvy should be monitoring to see which videos or story lines Big Tech memory holes, or suppresses, as thats a dead ringer test of truth and accuracy!
Uh oh…
“Additional Three Individuals Identified as ‘Suspicious’ Prior to Trump Assassination Attempt, Says Pennsylvania Police Commissioner”
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/07/additional-three-individuals-identified-as-suspicious-prior-trump/
Are ya sure it wasn’t these same 3 individuals mentioned in the earliest reports?
Were they with SS? Local LE? Who the heck were they?? Where did they go?
Bc they later insisted the SS snipers (or whoever was assigned) were actually in the 2nd building on the 2nd floor… which kinda looks worse, bc they’d have easily seen crooks on the roof the entire time, but did nothing to stop him.
I’ve just been referring to them as Inky Blinky & Clyde, as the original story on their location seems to align with the first 3 shots having rising trajectories.
“The operations plan had them stationed inside the building
lookingshooting out windows toward the Trump rally.”Every time I come to TCH, it is so darn depressing. I’ve given up any and all hope of Trump winning. Why do we even bother? We are being swallowed up in the Liberal Ocean.
I just wish I could read one article that would give me a glimmer of hope. Also, what can we do about this mess? Actually, there is nothing we can do. Why even vote? They’re going to steal it again.
You are projecting. We are a realistic and upbeat crew.
The other side is presently flooding social media and many spaces with “influencers”. To prop up and inflate a candidate that no one voted for and few Democrats even like.
Not that the above poster Elle is one. But she may be falling for those who are. Some of them come here to sow doom and despair and inevitable defeat. So that people become disheartened and give up. That’s what these influencers are hired and sent here to do.
Some are from the Democrat arsenal. Others are from GOPe aligned sources.
There is also a massive astroturfing campaign underway right now to create the completely fake message that “She’s a woman” and “Momentum is shifting”. These are manufactured talking points, not real anecdotes from real people. It is all over social media today. That, and the fake polls are starting up.
Once you see these strings and tactics, they stand out for what they are. Desperate propaganda measures from a scared uniparty cabal.
Yes, they are in full on gaslighting mode regarding Kamala. CNN crew was cringe worthy. As are others….
They literally flipped a switch. They praised Biden for years. Years. So much so that even two weeks before the debate many were gushing over the fundraiser with Jack Black. They knew and they knew before that fundraiser that Joe was gone- hence the “cheap fakes.”
They then go on a full court press to cut Biden down. All at the same time they are now praising Kamala’s intelligence and her years of experience, making her wise too.
But, even this past Sunday they were saying Joe is still the man. He’s all in- until they booted him. I don’t think he even knows it happened. He didn’t call Kamala….I don’t care what they say and how many times they play a “cheap fake” of his voice.
And now, back to my opener, CNN is trying to gaslight that Kamala’s campaign just raised 90 million in one day….the day after Chuck Schumer announced her (no one clapped but Chuck, even after Chuck told people to clap) as anointed…90 million, you know 85 million of which was handed down from the Biden side….CNN conveniently left that part out.
The polls are looking good.
The most important things you can do, IMO, are:
-spread the word in as much as you can about how good things were when Trump was President and how good they can be again if he is re-elected, focus on the economy, border security, wars (or absence of, during Trump’s term), i say keep it all positive and encourage people to think rationally
-try to participate in some way in the November election, like sign up to be a poll watcher or make phone calls or do something else
-VOTE for Trump and all of your other Republican candidates, after 9 years of the Democrat reign of terror it’s time everyone stop voting for them or even not voting which allows them to win
Yes this is depressing. We’ve been battling big stuff for 9 years. Non-stop. Don’t give up now. Take a little break if you need to. Trump took a bullet for us, he’s not giving up. The least we can do is stick with him and help him win again and give him the support he deserves.
Trump is going to win. In many ways Kamala is even better for him to face than Biden. Right now, there is this big push as they try to catch up. But they can’t catch up. Kamala to Trump is like what McGovern was to Nixon. No one likes her, even Dimocrats. Don’t believe any of the lying polls and don’t watch TV. In fact, cut the cord, your mental health will thank you.
Just a quick scan back over these comments before I have to leave for a while gives me a couple of thoughts to pass along:
1. As none of us have definitive answers to any of these situations, let’s be encouraging of conversation and friendly debate regarding this tense subject matter.
2. If there had been any honesty, integrity, and openness form the government, yesterday in particular, we would already know most all of the answers we seek here.
3. Cheatle was most likely the lead patsy. No one would have trusted her with anything. So thebad guys are still there.
I personally think she had nothing to do with the assassination attempt other than to display incompetence after it happened. Someone who did have something to do with it, at least with respect to being able to prevent it, is the person who was in charge at the rally that day. That person needs to be fired.
Is the assassination attempt why Marchan delayed sentencing? Trump still has the sentencing date in September.
He needs to release the CCTV video of the Mar-A-Lago raid ASAP. The documents case has been dismissed. They deserve no courtesies at all, they had shoot to kill orders when they went in. For pieces of paper.
“if such is still necessary…”
Raid was on Cannon’s case, so there is some hope there.
Marchan’s case is DOA.
The cover up continues apace.
Cheatle didn’t take the clue from her boss Mayorkissmyass.
Just act like everything you are screwing us is perfectly fine and acceptable.
Act like you are doing exactly what you are supposed to do while it is a disaster.
Cheatle was nothing more than a glorified HR Queen.
She can say “no” but there is far too much evidence of coordinated “failures” in multiple aspects of the presidential protection regimen that permitted assassins to access a clear shot to the president.
AND the 45th president’s assessed threat level was off the charts for months such that the PDJT staff AND existing USSS agents had repeatedly requested – and were denied – additional assets & personnel.
The Butler PA rally was reportedly some of the worst and most lax security that many repeat rally attendees had ever seen.
Given the massive public outcry and massive amounts of witnesses, IMO the globalist cabal’s plot to have Trump ‘taken out’ will be exposed.
No difference. They still are gonna stall and destroy evidence. i’m sure Ms. Cheatle got a great severence package, and cush new job somewhere in California.
“…Prior to this appointment, he served as Deputy Director of the Secret Service in April 2023. In this role, Mr. Rowe was responsible for the direct oversight of the agency’s daily investigative and protective operations….”
PROTECTIVE OPERATIONS!!?! So was this Rowe character likely that one that was REALLY in charge of the Trump assignment and all its calculated sloppiness and mishandling? And now he’s the new Director. Hmmm…. a reward for a job (almost) well done???