Abandoned by his father to a troubled single mother; eventually raised by grandparents. He is then recruited from an Ivy league law school by shadow figures, a specific billionaire and a network of interests. He changes his name, writes a book about his life story, and with the support of the aforementioned – who eventually pays for the assembly of a strategic campaign influence network, becomes a Senator for 2 years before being quickly elevated into position in the White House.
Many people reading that paragraph would be familiar with the life story of Barack Hussien Obama. However, that paragraph also explains the right-side version of the exact same storyline, James David Vance. It’s a mirror.
On one side of the UniParty mirror we have an emotionally constructed political figure for the left. On the other side of the UniParty mirror we have an emotionally constructed political figure for the right. Each person, each emotional narrative, carrying the specific nuances to appeal to their wing of the UniParty audience. However, both are following the same playbook.
It started with a conversation several weeks ago. Who is JD Vance and where did he come from?
How does a person without any baseline in politics, not a council member, not a mayor, not a state rep – or state senate, governor etc., become a U.S. Senator and then quickly get into the White House?
What I was told sounded eerily familiar.
JD Vance was born James Donald Bowman in Middletown, Ohio (August 2, 1984). He then changed his name to James David Bowman. He then changed his name to James David Hamel. Eventually, in 2014, notably after Yale Law School (class of 2013) and after marrying his wife Usha, now age 30, he changed his name to write a book.
It was 2014, that’s when JD Vance was born.
Vance’s book, Hillbilly Elegy was published by Rupert Murdoch’s publishing house, Harper Collins in 2016. The book was made into a Netflix movie, [Reed Hastings] created by Imagine Entertainment and directed by Ron Howard (2020). However, the interesting background on JD Vance goes back to Yale, and the Obamaesque tap on the shoulder that comes from a billionaire most are familiar with, Peter Thiel.
Thiel first recruited Vance into his circle while Vance was still a student at Yale Law School. Shortly thereafter, Vance joined Thiel’s investment firm Mithril Capital, where he worked for two years before joining Revolution Ventures. Vance played a major role in Revolution’s “Rise of the Rest” seed fund whose major investors included Amazon’s Jeff Bezos. {Citation}
JD Vance then launched his own venture capital firm Narya Capital in 2020, using startup money from both Peter Thiel and former Google CEO Eric Schmidt.
From this timeline we can see how JD Vance went from no money (student loans) in 2013, to big money in 2020. Everything came via Peter Thiel and Eric Schmidt, but mostly Thiel.
To understand JD Vance as an Ohio senator, the inflection points in 2013 and the subsequent relationship with billionaire Peter Thiel (Palantir Technologies) from 2013 to now, becomes important.
Billionaires Eric Schmidt and Peter Thiel are key members of the steering committee of the controversial, closed-door and overtly globalist Bilderberg conference. Newsweek once called Schmidt and Thiel the two most influential figures at Bilderberg.
Peter Thiel’s company Palantir Tech is the driving force of a global surveillance system using artificial intelligence (AI). Palantir has massive contract interests in US military and intelligence communities.
Keep in mind, Palantir is the current company creating the tech mechanisms for the U.S government to conduct foreign and domestic surveillance. The actual technology needed by the Deep State to advance their interests, is provided by Peter Thiel. {Citation}
According to the popular narrative, JD Vance opposes the Intelligence Community deep surveillance state, while simultaneously being the political front for the interests of Peter Thiel and Palantir Technology? This doesn’t reconcile.
Peter Thiel was the money and network behind the 2022 Ohio senate race between JD Vance and Tim Ryan. It was Peter Thiel who took JD Vance to meet President Trump in Mar-a-Lago to get the needed endorsement to launch Vance into the U.S. Senate. Without Thiel there is no Senator JD Vance.
It is also important to remember that prior to 2018; prior to Peter Thiel becoming aligned with the FBI as a confidential human source, and prior to Vance needing the Trump endorsement; JD Vance was a staunch never-Trumper.
JD Vance went from calling President Trump “a literal Hitler,” to appreciating Trump’s incredible leadership, a remarkable shift in opinion. To his strategic credit, Peter Thiel was successful in gaining both the endorsement and the outcome of the 2022 Ohio senate race.
Within the Thiel network you will note the aligned interests of another key financial friend and big federal contractor, Elon Musk. Together, Musk and Thiel form the core of a very wealthy group of modern tech political influence agents, including another Yale Law School graduate and JD Vance supporter, Vivek Ramaswamy.
JD Vance even named one of his three children Vivek; suffice to say, they are close.
What you have read so far is the background of how one billionaire, Thiel, deeply enmeshed in the surveillance state creates the process to construct a political tool useful for the retention of his interests. A few dozen millions are a worthy investment if the investment creates and supports the objectives of the billionaire (Palantir Technology).
Unfortunately, this approach also diminishes the Trump policy objective intended to eliminate the IC deep state.
As an outcome of a control network in 2006 Senator Barack Obama was successfully installed. As an outcome of a control network in 2022 Senator JD Vance was successfully installed. Both Barry Sotero (Obama) and James Bowman (Vance) are mirror images of each other; the playbooks used to create both are identical.
We have exhaustively outlined the UniParty operation in Washington DC. What was once a radical concept and controversial, is now accepted as factual. Additionally, we have outlined the how the Fourth Branch of Government was created under Obama. What was once conspiracy theory is now accepted as the truth.
Once you understand how both wings of the UniParty operate you can then see how the system of silo creation, retention and protection works.
The Obama network ultimately led to the modern IC surveillance state. The Vance network now appears to be positioned to retain it.
Like an abuser toward the abused, our ideological enemy uses our virtues of love and trust as weapons. We are in an abusive relationship with government.
♦ ALL IS NOT LOST – In everything that happens, the geopolitical power players -including the Intelligence Community- have what are called “strategic interests.” Meaning, they plan out their future position based on current events (data), pathways and predictions.
Some of these power structures are, putting it mildly, not good. In fact, they are eroding liberty, freedom and making us serfs. We feel it daily.
In order to best weaken them and/or make them more vulnerable, you put them into a position where they cannot strategize the future because they cannot confirm a data point in their pathway.
Having a known 2028 U.S. presidential nominee gives them the ability to plan for it. They are able to make moves to get beyond the 2024 to 2028 challenges they face; they look toward who they will be faced with as an opponent in ’28.
From that position, they conduct enemy operations against Trump’s strategy…. they essentially plan to outlast him, ignore him, put on a mask when they talk to him etc.
President Trump, making it known who will be the ’28 nominee actually gives his opposition power. Essentially makes Trump’s position less strong.
Had Trump selected a “one-term” running mate (I don’t care who it would have been), the opposition would not know what to expect in 2028. They are then forced to focus every day on what Trump is doing now. That opposition cannot look forward (proactive), they are forced to react. They are kept vulnerable.
Do you want your enemies planning, or do you want them reacting to the unknown variables?
Do you want them focused on your attack, or do you want them brushing you off as irrelevant in the longer term?
Do you want them on their heels each day/week as they try to figure out what you are doing…. or do you want them to know the destination ahead, regardless of the daily or weekly policy moves?
By selecting a VP nominee that will be the 2028 presidential nominee (what 90% of short-sighted people wanted), Trump can give greater power to the ideological enemy.
For the next four years, the deep state at home and geopolitical enemy abroad, must not know what they will face in the future.
From that position of potential vulnerability, they are forced to focus on daily events and counterstrategies, while unable -by design- to compromise the future opponent.
I never resign Trump to a failed position, as long as there is a way to turn a necessary decision into a winning and more powerful position.
The problem of Peter Thiel, his network and the potential problem JD Vance represents can be dealt with.
President Donald J Trump makes it very well known, and constantly reminds people for 3 years, that if JD Vance sucks, flinches, is inept or doesn’t follow orders, then JD Vance doesn’t get the 2028 endorsement. Thankfully, I saw the first indications of this last night during President Trump’s acceptance speech at the RNC Convention.
For Trump supporters and all supporters of the goal to deconstruct the worst and most toxic elements of the Deep State, we must support that tenuous 2028 endorsement message. After all, we are expecting Vance to uphold actionable policies against the interests of his benefactors.
Those benefactors and the aligned Vance influence network includes Charlie Kirk, Tucker Carlson, Elon Musk, Peter Thiel, Bill Ackman, David Sacks, Chamath Palihapitiya, Jacob Helberg, Vivek Ramaswamy and of course, many more.
I don’t care about anything that happened prior to that 2013 inflection point, the tap on the shoulder at Yale. James Donald Bowman, aka JD Vance’s background construct as lived or as sold is irrelevant to me. We do not have the time to be emotionally attached to any individual. We need actionable results.
We are not going to be battered conservatives, pushed yet again into the position of Charlie Brown to Lucy’s deep state, ‘trust the plan‘ football. The trust account of the American electorate is bankrupt. Corruption is running amok.
The threat to JD Vance’s political career must be actual, loud and repeated often to keep the toxic IC and domestic Silo operators guessing. While simultaneously, every righteous attack takes down a small IC silo segment like a bite out of an elephant.
We accept that this approach is going to make Peter Thiel, JD Vance and the entire Thiel/Musk network quite unhappy.
Tough!
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Preemptive damage control / preemptive crisis management. Please, please, MR. 45 & 47…SEE IT COMING. 🦅
by choosing Vance he has shown that he has lost crisis management
Seriously at this point I am beginning to believe he just want the name of being POTUS again.
Yes he has grandchildren who will grow up awful, but they have money, they can survive and live well
I no longer believe the 2o24 Trump is the 2016 Trump or even the 2020 Trump. I’ve lost all faith in him, I’m sorry to say that.
Who sent you?
She’s here almost everyday. She’s just upset like many of us.
I didn’t like Trump’s choice. Gut feeling like I had for Obama. But Vance ain’t president thank God. At least not yet. I hope Trump will watch the hen house like a hawk.
He can’t if he’s dead. That’s the biggest problem, there is literally NO ONE to carry his legacy. Even if we get four more years, everything he does goes up in smoke like last time.
Relax, everybody!
God is in control.
God helps those who help themselves.
I will not relax and let someone else do my job as a US citizen. I will continue to work my ass off for my family and not expect some person in DC to ensure their future for me.
Which is not actually in the Bible.
What is in the Bible is that we should approach Jesus as a little child would.
God is in charge.
Worrying is an insult to Him and won’t change a thing.
I pray, read my Bible, apply its principles, do my best and wait upon the Lord.
He’s got this.
Amen!
God sets kings in place for His purposes.
Psalm 2
true.
I have said this over and over—the party-not Trump—chooses VP to report to party what the president is doing contrary to the party’s agenda! I have many questions about Vance.
I agree with WV gal. Probably because I’m a “collectivist, utopian, statist,” right? (After I posted here under my real name about my grandfather fighting at Saipan and my dad’s American Dream life story?)
The pretending is over.
Concern troll. This account has been trolling lately.
Enough with the “troll” immaturity. Menagerie posted this week to stop that. If you don’t know who that is, you either need to educate yourself or go back to Camelot.
Funny you did not remember Menagerie’s advice when you called me a troll last night.
Did she really?
Well ok then. Go your own way and line up with the democrats and their evil handlers. You don’t even give him the chance to see what he can do. This is your choice but not mine. God rules and God chose him for a reason. Good enough for me.
Exactly, there is no other alternative. And there is zero hope without Trump winning.
Get Trump in office and then deal with Vance etc.
See what he can do? Have you read Trump’s accomplishments?
What is your basis for your comment? Now, you totally give up on Trump?
She posted numerous times that First Lady Melania failed to be at “her man’s side.” I gave up reading her posts after that.
Fellow mountaineer,
go to page 2 and watch the Andrew Breitbart video that was posted.
That’s a rather dramatic reaction to, being upset..
I’m upset, but I have faith in Donald Trump as our President,
because I have faith in God.
And I am certain the hand of God is guiding and protecting President Trump.
Even if he makes decisions we don’t like or understand, God is going to work it out.
All is not lost, as Sundance reminds us above.
I do hope you aren’t trying to convince others to give up on President Trump as you say you have done.
Interesting that she was giving up on President Trump at the beginning of this thread, isn’t it!! Hmmmmm.
vance ain’t getting 270, though. Not even with DJT’s endorsement. Demographics ARE destiny. He ain’t have those.
Writes Sundabce: “Like an abuser toward the abused, our ideological enemy uses our virtues of love and trust as weapons. We are in an abusive relationship with government.:
Could it be that Trump’s virtues of love and trust are the overriding attitude he has toward his grown children, in this case Mrs. Kushner and Don Jr., and that he is being manipulated by sinister sources through them?
For Don Jr., especially, I have this foreboding thought: his current gal-pal is the former wife of Gavin Newsom. So, I watched her face closely at the RNC. You should try it — and you might see it too.
But the lense through which I interpret what I see in her is colored by my strong disapproval of their openly sinful lifestyle — and why? Because people who live in open opposition to God’s “will for mankind” are courting the Evil One — which like drug addiction is a portal for the machinations of the devil.
It’s also a downward spiral when one accepts as OK what your conscience tells you is wrong: it affects your discernment and judgment about other moral issues.
Pray for President Trump and his family. (Intuitively I think Melania is the spiritual rock in that family)..
I believe he does see it coming, and is why he took Vance off the senate chessboard.
Except now Gov DeRINO of Ohio will appoint another RINO to take the seat. So nothing is gained. It would have been better to leave JD Vance-Obama in the Senate and force him to support MAGA as a contingency for 2028.
nope.
Mr Mata Hari, AKA: Donald John Trump, the ultimate Insider, bar none, is way way way ahead of us lowly pawns, and he is not taken in by anything lower than 7th Dimension Chess.
Onward!
Fight, fight, fight!!!
nope. but, thanks for playing though.
As I said later on in this post I saw this several days ago. I also been
Not sure what is up but something about Vance just has not and does not seem right.
The below was not the first time I said that Vance’s history was like someone else.
I rarely comment but I always read here every single day. This war against Vance is an attack on President Trump as well. I just wish we could unite behind President Trump’s choice and get past the disappointment that the person you wanted didn’t get chosen.
This is why the Right will never get totally united. The naysayers seem to come out of the woodwork. We NEED to get behind Trump, period end of story.
We don’t have to place blind trust in JD Vance to be solidly behind PDJT.
Perzactly!
Exactly. His future is NOT written in stone and we the people have some say in it. We are much more aware and can spot issues we never noticed before so he will be under much scrutiny. More people need to come on board but we at least have learned to trust but verify. We have learned who hates us. We have learned much. Don’t discount us going forward. And Vance can be taken out of his job and his political career put into limbo if he does some underhanded things while in office. God has a plan and we are his soldiers on earth. We have our own IC department manned by us.
Why not? We place blind trust in Sundance without knowing anything about him.
Not true. We place trust in Sundance because of his track record, just like we place trust in Trump because of his track record. Neither have received “blind trust.”
Sundance is an insightful and brilliant analyst whose observations I love to read. But he doesn’t do my thinking for me. And I don’t think Sundance would want that either.
Yes. There are days I don’t agree with everything that is written here, but I trust none of it is made up out of thin air (and that is rare these days). That trust is based on years of track record, and the in depth “proof” that is posted many times, with an article/opinion.
We thought you were leaving?????
That’s funny. I personally dislike when someone is debating another or just making a point and they say, “Sundance always says xyz.” Like this makes their comment unimpeachable. No disrespect to SD.
Well that’s good to know! Now that I’m reassured that I can go ahead and cast a vote for Trump, rather than all the baggage he might bring with him, that makes things a bit easier.
Exactly. These are false equivalencies. Because we don’t trust x; therefore it has to be y. No it doesn’t. I trust President Trump to pull this off.
He is wheeling and dealing inside the swamp that WE allowed to happen over probably a century now. That swamp is thick and deep and he is wading his way through it.
The swamp is not of his making. They tried to assassinate him, but still he has *chosen* to deal with it on our behalf.
I trust him to do so and WIN. And when we see swamp creatures circling we must absolutely call them out. It’s what we do because truth has no agenda. It just is.
I really want to agree with this. And the constant sniping within this group at *every other republican not named Donald Trump (or Ben Carson)* frustrates me to no end. But I have to say, reading Sundance’s layout of Vance – er, Bowman’s – background, I’m pretty disheartened. And when I think about 8 years worth of serial bad personnel choices by Donald Trump I get frustrated. Scaramucci, Barrett, Kavanaugh, Sessions, Pence, the list goes on. Inexperience could explain it the first time. But after 8 years he should know better.
If you believe the Bible, this all make sense. We cannot win, but with Him. And every failure, every defeat, every life lost, and all the suffering we endure is part of HIS redemptive plan. But it’s hard sometimes to see hope when you’re in the foxhole.
I am behind Trump. But to say I’m wary of his Veep is a monumental understatement.
He wasn’t my choice either but what good does getting agitated about it do now? To what extent is any of it in our control anyway ? I don’t know about you, but I didn’t get a call from President Trump asking for my input, and I won’t lose sleep over something I can’t control.
I did get a text message from President Trump asking who my choice for VP would be. I was a supporter and donated in 2015. Sent money and a letter to him at his NY office. I’m sure many supporters got that same text message.
I replied Ben Carson for all the good it did.
I will continue to support PDJT and will vote for him again….for the third time. Maybe he will be able to control Vance. and prevent Thiel from having too much influence. It is Thiel whom I do not like at all.
Exactly how I feel. Perfectly stated.
We probably all feel much the same, but it is done. All we can do is be aware of what Vance does and keep him under the light of public oversight. All is not lost although he was far from my choice as VP.
Now is the time to focus on the races for the House and Senate. The left is going to double their efforts at stealing those races to maintain control of PTrump and the country. As SD says, they play the long game. Our job is to interrupt their plans, hold them up, defeat them.
I am not fully convinced they are not pushing PTrump forward, that they are ok with him winning, causing drama for the people to watch and focus on while the real game is going on at a furious pace behind the scenes to gain control over every other part of the govt. Same at the state levels. Billionaire money is pouring into these down ticket races especially in strategic states. We must pay extreme attention to that and work hard against the steal of these seats in the House and Senate. No red wave comments, no Trump sweep talk. No losing the skepticism over what they are trying to pull off. They may have the money but we have the numbers of people if we use them. The media will misdirect us and lie more than ever now.
DO NOT be fooled. We still have a major job to do and it will never end. We cannot stop. Our future generations are at stake. America is at stake. We cannot fail. Be ever vigilant.
True.
All we can do is be aware of what Vance does and keep him under the light of public oversight.
This is the point!! It is our JOB as citizens to hold our officials accountable. That CANNOT be done if we blindly accept their decisions and actions.
Sundance has waved the red flags. It is our responsibility as Americans to keep the shapeshifter and his benefactors from destroying our country, loudly and emphatically.
Because, there isn’t another Trump. No matter who Trump picked that person wouldn’t be good enough.
Trump may be too trusting.
Brilliantly stated, I agree 100%. I am unconditionally loyal to President Trump, but the Vance pick is a huge mistake and makes me think that Trump learned nothing from his first term appointments of ENEMIES OF MAGA to his government. I really hope I am wrong, and that he finds good MAGA people, but Jamie Dimon? This stuff is really concerning.
It goes to show how billionaire donor money in politics nullifies your influence and vote. There’s no attack here, just the naked, unfortunate truth that America is not a Representative Republic.
You’re right, it’s not a Representative Republic, it’s a Constitutional Republic.
And before the semantics game gets started ask yourself this…
From whence does said representation come?
If you say the Constitution then you’ve placed the horse correctly with the cart and the picture of our TRUE form of government comes into focus.
Without the Constitution there would be no representation as it is established therein.
Wait until Elon takes away your gas stove and puts a governor on your thermostat.
Words matter. If you truly love our Flag and Constitution, you comprehend clearly that our form of government was designed to be republican (a republic) and not to be democratic (a democracy). For the last hundred years or so, we have had DEMOCRACY rammed down our throats as a mantra of nearly holy proportions.
Our Founding Fathers were well educated in the various forms of government that had been tried in the centuries leading up to their era, and they rejected pure democracy as being dangerous, as it is today. Yet Trump still tosses the word around. Tucker highlighted “our Democracy” several times in his convention speech.
My ears have become finely tuned over many decades to recognize the language of the left. Phrases like social justice and equity jump out at me like lighthouses warning of dangers ahead.
Beware, America! Placing all trust in one man is foolish. We must look out for each other, first and foremost.
Tucker and even DJT threw out that democratic word last night several times. Apparently they are both susceptible to the change in definitions by the LEFT.
Context of them saying the word matters. It’s a proper descriptor but isn’t our governance model.
Everybody is in on it because the public is so ignorant.
Politicians dumb themselves down FOR the public because they KNOW the general public is ignorant.
Read and weep over the very first words here…
https://www.congress.gov/118/meeting/house/116010/witnesses/HHRG-118-HA08-Wstate-TurnerS-20230524.pdf
The greatest threat to our Constitutional Republic is misinformation and disinformation.
Look at that address!!! Congress.gov
The 118th Congress.
Our democracy my ass!
As you say, words matter.
“Majority rule” has come to be associated with our form of government, “our democracy”, as so many politicians say, yet a sinister slight of hand has been used with that expression.
Majority rule is when a majority of CONGRESS, not We The People who send their Representatives TO office, vote on something, in either the House or Senate.
That >>democratic<>majority rule<<, which gives them majorities in passing legislation, IS in danger if they become the minority. Understanding that one point is critical to understanding the antics of the Democratic Party.
JMO, YMMV
Is it a “war” though? Or is it just recognizing that things are rarely as they seem? The parallels here between the BHO and JDV stories are just a bit too coincidental to overlook. And I don’t believe in coincidences.
The difference being that Vance doesn’t seem to be nearly as much of an arrogant hater as obie is.
you are not looking at WHO Vance is. Gosh, do you have to be hit over the head with a broad axe? He is a Pence 2.0 WORSE really, he is a stalking Obama 2.0
We thought WE took over the party
Its ass backwards. Theil and the corporate raiders now OWN the party
Forget everything said during this week …………..we are effed and Sundance warned this. I knew it. Don Jr was right in on it.
Trump won’t win anyways and I really think it best he doesn’t. They will kill him to get Vance
this^^ I have spent the entire week with a feeling of dread…even after the wonderful DJT speech last night…looking up and seeing the potential judas sitting in the box with him I knew not much is going to get done in his administration…however long that may be…JD Pence and his vegetarian liberal wife are already measuring the drapes for the WH as we speak…I don’t know why DJT did this but sure took the wind out of my sails this week…
Yes, some people do have to be hit over the head. 🔨
My gut level response to the horror expressed by the likes of Rove is, “He doth protest too much!”
If all the “right” people on the globalist right keep screaming in abject horror — maybe the rest of us will not peer through the smoke and mirrors.
They poured it on a little too thick with the,”JD Vance is worse than Hitler. He is much worse than Trump!”
Too many people laying in on a little too thick. IMO
Rove is protesting because he’s not the one controlling Vance. That’s all
With Trump there is hope. With the democrats there is death. I choose the only hope we have. Thanks for your “concern”
Pray, hon. Then make yourself and your family ready.
There is no one coming to save us. It’s going to be up to the people, because nothing in or around DC will ever do the job.
Jesus Christ is coming to save us. Read Revelation. All events are part of the end game in Revelation.
Horrified that you might be right.
I would calm down. Jeez.
Then I guess I should just cancel my surgery next week and donate all my prepper supplies, curl up under my blankets and let the cancer take me.
No ‘effing way! Where were you when the President rose from that podium and held a clenched fist in the air, exhorting us to FIGHT??
That WVgal should take her rant somewhere else, like into her closet and secretly pray about it. Unless she is having a rant against President Trump which to me is what she is doing here ON PURPOSE. Just when we need to pull together here they come….!
We need to have a breather!!
Enemy action can come from people who have been here for a while just waiting like snakes to strike with their negative venom after we have been thinking they are with us. Do you think that couldn’t happen at our CTH? Think again.
Lead, follow or get out of the way. God Bless President Trump! I don’t think Sundance meant that we shouldn’t vote for President Trump, so why the extreme reaction?~!!
Praying your surgery will go well with a rapid recovery and optimal healing.
We shouldn’t unite over any person or people that’s the mistake the Germans made. We must unite behind certain policies and actions and put forward the people that will perform them. Trump kept his promises so we’re putting him back in. I’ve Vance doesn’t preform…… Adios
You skimmed over the whole article……
And it’s no surprise that the 2nd comment started by saying, I rarely comment, but leave Vance alone….Trump picked him.
NO, heed the darn words written above; I’m sick and tired of fellow Americans ignoring what’s right in front of their damn faces so that they can feel good as they watch their Netflix and drink their damn lattes.
Oh, and if you want to see what’s coming between now and the inauguration in Janaury (they didn’t import about 20 million people just for the votes). Muslims rioting in Leeds, England, over a “family” incident…..
On Thursday, July 18, 2024, a night of violence and disorder erupted in the Harehills area of Leeds, West Yorkshire, England. The riots began after a disturbance involving social services and children, reportedly sparked by a “family incident” that police attended earlier in the day. The incident escalated into a full-blown riot, with hundreds of people taking to the streets, overturning a police car, setting a double-decker bus on fire, and attacking police vehicles.
Key Events
Initial disturbance: Police responded to a “family incident” involving agency workers and children around 5 pm on Thursday.Rioting begins: A large crowd gathered, and rioters started smashing windows, overturning a police car, and setting fires in the streets.Police retreat: Rioters drove police back, forcing them to abandon the area, leaving residents to defend their homes.Fires rage: A double-decker bus was torched, and multiple fires burned throughout the night, with authorities unable to respond effectively due to the intensity of the violence.Community leaders condemn: Home Secretary Yvette Cooper and local community leaders condemned the violence, urging people to stay at home and cooperate with authorities.Aftermath
Cleanup efforts: Council trucks arrived on Friday morning to clear debris and extinguish remaining fires.Damage estimates: Over £1 million in criminal damage and arson was caused to public property, including the destroyed bus.Arrests and investigations: Authorities are working to identify and apprehend those responsible for the violence, with investigations ongoing.Reactions
Home Secretary Yvette Cooper: “I am appalled at the shocking scenes and attacks on police vehicles & public transport in Leeds tonight. Disorder of this nature has no place in our society.”Nigel Farage: “The politics of the subcontinent are currently playing out on the streets of Leeds. Don’t say I didn’t warn you.”Local community leaders: Condemned the violence, urging residents to cooperate with authorities and stay at home.
Muslims don’t wish to assimilate. They brought their baggage with them and want to force it on us. That is their purpose in life.
That’s not the point. It’s about a potential snake in the grass like Pence was.
Bullet Proof Trump 2024.
It is not a war anymore than it should have been a war against Pence.
Say, when Cheney poked his finger in Pence’s chest and told him he “better get control of his boss.”
It is not an attack against Trump. It is a snap shot of the reality we face. You can either turn away and pretend not to know or you can look squarely at it and move forward. We live in a time of choosing.
Exactly. I agree with you.
How long have you been here and how often is Sundance incorrect?
IF JDV is a creature of deep state how does that effect DJT life span?
IKR….
BTW my comment wasn’t intended to be critical just information.
Ann, you’re not asking for unity, you’re asking for blind faith. Trump isn’t God. He sold us Pence last time and look what happened. Never again.
I have absolute faith in no man. That’s reserved for God alone, and even then there are days I ask what the hell He’s planning.
Read the Bible book Revelation. It spells out what He’s planning.
AGREED!
Fellow treepers and concerned folks suffer from news PSTD so it’s understandable.
How is Sundance’s and others providing data points, citations, and timelines, a war?
Where I grew up it was called research.
You want us to Unite for this Ticket.
Have you forgotten who becomes president if something happens to Trump
Vance has way way too many red flags on him. Crazy as it sounds the more you look into his history the more it reeks of Swarm Slime.
Well, I will vote for President Trump.
Too late to change his VP pick and I don’t have the power to do so.
No way will I vote for whomever the Democrats put up, and there is no one I want to write in.
I will trust the Lord Who raises up kings and pulls them down.
He is never taken by surprise.
Witness Saturday in Butler PA.
nope. occam’s razor. Wrong, wrong political move.
Yeah his past is way too scripted. Too perfect. The tech billionaires do this on both sides of the aisle. They simply pick candidates on both sides of the political spectrum and start supporting them financially and get them into office, to hopefully hold positions of power one day. Hell, you could even put it in the books as “Advertising Expenses”.
Same reason I dont trust Vivek. He comes out of nowhere and starts saying all the right things? Nah.
Vivek was funded long ago by Soros… when he didn’t need the money. He never apologizes for taking the money saying “everybody” takes the money.
Then, there are his “businesses” and their alliances… Pfizer one of them.
Charlie Kirk isn’t our friend… he’s the marketing agency pushing the youth emotion. His cronies installed the Lt Governor on our ticket in Indiana bumping the Trump pick using the delegates. That shifty POS, Beckwith, I’m on first name basis with… and he is “power at any price”… not the mild mannered Patriot preacher.
He’s a user and a poser.
The #2s are a real problem. It’s always been the #2’s running the Biden government.
When Obama said “you don’t have to do this, Joe “… it’s because they could have worked behind any figure head.
This is trouble and I’m not going to be forced on a cattle car by cohorts to accept and root for it.
The Party picks the Veep.
In essence, the “Party” picked Trump’s last vp (emphasis on small letters) and look at what and where it got us. Obama’s 3rd term! No thank you.
Oh no, oh no.
Not one of THOSE guys!! “Everybody takes the money.”
Everybody does it. The words of any and all crooks.
Moral compass = ZERO.
That’s an oligarchy masquerading as a representative democracy.
All democracies are oligarchies. Democracy is not a good political system. Says Christophe Buffin de Chosal in his The End of Democracy, it is a political system which is unrealistic, artificial, and directly at odds with human nature. I think he means the strong will always dominate the weak and the wealthy will always control the less well off.
It is delusional to think we can elect people to office who are their own men or women. People who work only in the people’s best interest. Hopefully, we can elect Republicans who presumably will not work against the interests of the people. Hopefully, we still have enough power to prevent that.
Sometimes I think we are too big & varied a country ( and not sufficiently moral ) to be managed except by the powerful. Small villages, townships can be because we know the people running for office & we can attend meetings to hold them to account. Beyond that money dominates.
But they had to hide all of Obama’s history, or fictionalize it. All his school records kept top secret.
I think they got wise. But there still has to be something they are holding over his head.
Yep dawg…waaaaay too scripted.
And Usha’s facial expressions remind me of Karen Pence, who did NOT want to be there.
Vivek says all the right things but he is NOT America First and Thiel should NEVER be trusted but what does anyone do about it now?
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The Party picks the Veep. This tells us all we need to know about the Party. It doesn’t represent us.
They’ll package it as a “hillbilly” to please constituents…. emotionally driven constituents.
Don’t give Ramaswampy Ohio.
I’ve heard people say that Vance spelling too close to Pence spelling.
Trump + Vance = Trance
Nope! We see you crystal clear for who you are & what you really represent, Mr. Bowman-Hamal-Vance! 🤨
On a positive note, someone picked up on PDJT’s body language when shaking hands with him after announcement. When he likes someone, he does the simultaneous arm squeeze, or shoulder pat thing. It was absent. Hopefully it’s a good sign– he knows JD is Mr. Shady.
he’s no Hillbilly either. That story is fake as sh**. I’m a hillbilly. I’d venture to guess NONE of it is true.
I once worked with a guy who was brought up in a cave with a 8 ft x 8 ft mud cabin providing access. The nearest road was 3 miles away. The first vehicle he rode in was the bus taking him to boot camp. He was a really nice guy.
LOL. You people are funny.
Yes, package it as a hillbilly….I was born and raised in Youngstown, Ohio, and then outside Cbus until I graduated. Section 8, city life….anyone from those areas, especially Ytown, knows it’s not for the meek and weak. I learned a lot growing up on the streets.
Now, let’s get to where J.D is from “Middletown, OH.” It’s not as a country boy as they sell it (20 miles to Dayton and 30 miles to Cbus…..). But it sure does package nicely since there are corn fields and such right on the outskirts of town. But this connection to Appalachia, etc, doesn’t exist. And too SD’s point- nice that he has a book and a movie that suggests as such (although to be fair I believe Vance has said, it’s not Appalachia).
Middletown, Ohio is not considered part of Appalachia according to the Appalachian Regional Commission (ARC) maps. The ARC defines Appalachia as a bioregion and political unit in southeastern Ohio, characterized by the western foothills of the Appalachian Mountains and the Appalachian Plateau.
So, ask yourself, even though Vance has said, he’s not from Appalachia, why are those all around him selling him as being so? And painting that picture?
SD layed it all out.
I thought he spent his formative teen years in Kentucky with his grandmother …….
Scotch Irish country……
Don’t know…just know he’s not Appalachia. And he has said as much himself. For me, it’s the intent behind the others pushing that angle.
He was raised by Mam-Maw who WAS an Appalachian.
Scots – Irish. Vance is claiming 7 generations of his clan which settled in Kentucky. Kentucky definitely qualifies as Appalachia.
My Scots- Irish goes all the way back to Oglethorpe in GA… and Georgia was never a debtors’ colony. Just middle class people,
who paid their own way, looking for a better life.
I grew up in Rossville GA right across the ridge, through McFarland gap, going toward Lookout Mountain, from Ft. Oglethorpe. My mom was from Scots Irish lineage from Dunlap and Jasper TN area in Sequatchie valley. Vance did mention in his speech of his home in Eastern Kentucky and a cemetery where his ancestors are buried and where he wants to be buried! You can’t get much deeper into Appalachia than Eastern Kentucky which is mostly mountains and where my husband and I was told when we lived in that area for 4 years, that the Scottish settled there because of the mountains they came from!
Trump had the party by the BALLS … he let Don Jr do this. Vance’s smug look and lack of a simple flag pin, yes it might be petty, but that tells me a whole big lot. I already hate his guts. He is a fake as a 2 dollar bill.
Before he was “annointed” I had a gutteral dislike of him as well…I have a very good judge of character instinct and never liked him from first glance..
If you don’t like Trump, then why be on a pro-Trump site?
not trump, JD sorry for that confusion!! LOL
10-4. You had me going “what?”
😃 😀 😄
Pre 2nd cup of joe…:)
Antecedents for pronouns are very important.
2 dollar bills are not fake. My Austrian immigrant grandmother gave one to me and the rest of her grandchildren for Christmas 70 years ago, oh how we all loved her German pastries laid out on the table on Christmas Eve. It’s.3 dollar bills that are fake, as the saying goes. She is rolling in her grave at the condition of the country she immigrated to from the pre world war 1 country she and my Grandfather left to come to the Land of the Free and Home of the Brave.
The Party is a big force, wvgal. I’m just telling you what I know and have seen at the micro level here in Indiana.
Same “play book” though.
For the RNC to back the candidate.. that candidate must agree to some concessions.
I personally wish Trump would have abandoned the cancerous RNC and run third party. THAT would have been a necessary message.
Too late now. We must PRAY for Trump’s continued, long and healthy life.
Heard Biden’s dropping out without greenlighting Kamala. A lot can happen in 4 years as we all have seen…
I pray GOD COMES QUICKLY
Vance served in the Marines.
Oh, BTW, there DID used to be $2 bills around. You probably meant a $3 bill.
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Mithril? Palantir? chuckling, no lord of the rings influence there, right?? I’ve noticed a lot of online discussion between his name changes and the people that are “gender changers” choosing new names, that if he can do this, everyone else can also do this, and that is a false argument.
Scary to the max that he started changing his name as a 2-3 year old toddler.
Plus – No Flag pin.
Clear signs that should worry us all.
I wonder how many gender changes he’s gone through. Any man who wears gayliner always raises my antennae.
I’m tired. I’m tired of fighting the machine. We should not have to go through this AGAIN.
“Gayliner?” ❤️ it.
Gonna have to remember that.
😃 😀 😄 😁 🤣
Good luck getting his “Real ID!”
I bet he doesn’t have the Social Security number of a 90 year old from Connecticut.
Lol. I forgot about that one.
Let’s hope that President Trump is following the wise and proven strategy of keeping his friends close and his enemies closer. Thank you for your research and insights, Sundance.
It does give Trump a deep rooted link, Masuda. My concern is Trump’s vulnerability.
They won’t stop to eliminate Trump… leaving his #2 to assume the helm.
ding ding ding ………………
That’s my concern, a successful attempt.
My biggest fear. If they take the House and Senste they can achieve the same thing through impeachment and conviction. Trump out. Vance in. My warnings before the VP pick was revealed said this many times— that the story will be in the VP pick and who his connections are. My worst fears came true.
Now, we have to stop ranting over this pick. It’s done. Time for action, awareness and oversight of this guy and his owners. Throw sand in their plans every chance we get. Win the House and the Senate for Trump. We didn’t want it but we got it and we have to understand our job of protecting and fighting for America against these enemies we know so well now, won’t ever be over.
Every generation has its challenges. Either they rise up to meet them. like the national debt, shirk them to fall on their children & grandchildren.
You mean the same GOP Senate and House in PDJT first term?
Someone please explain to me why Pompeo is still in Trump’s inner circle after everything I heard from Tucker about Pompeo wanting to kill Assange. I don’t get it.
Keep your enemies closer?
I was shocked by this, too. Pompous has been all over the news lately, smiling like the Cheshire cat
Pompeo the Snake shouldn’t be within 1000 miles of President Trump or his cabinet. Pompeo gave us Gina Haspel, one of the biggest traitors around.
Keep your enemies close
The only people who employ that ridiculous statement are people who have already been bamboozled
Bamboozled by whom, and what?
By your enemies as they encircle you.
Yeah, nothing screams DS IC (DHS, FBI, CIA) and globalists (backed by Banksters) than this assortment of Thiel, Bezos, Schmidt, Musk, TC, etc etc.
And another little tidbit that doesn’t add up: Usha attended Yale Law from 2010-13 and supposedly took a 2 year history teaching history in China, but supposedly was clerking for Kavanagh starting in 2014.
How does that happen? Going to law school and teaching in China at the same time for at least 1 year?
This POS is a DS product with IC fingerprints all over it just like Ozero, including the changing names.
Ain’t no spy novel could make this BS up.
Even the marriage was constructed, just like Hussein and Big Mike.
Usha and JD were “encouraged” by Chinese American Yale professor, Amy Chua, who once clerked for former Chief of DC Court of Appeals Circuit, Patricia Wald.
Wald has also served on the Yugoslavia war crimes stuff, was involved in BAR stuff for Eastern Europe after the fall of the Soviet Union, and has served as the board chairman of Soros backed Open Society Justice Foundation.
The hole just keeps getting deeper and deeper.
I want to make a comment that is along the Spiritual lines… something I’m compelled to say.
It was a woman riding the back of the beast in the apocalypse of Revelation.
Woman who created the original fall in the Garden of Eden.
Woman who was taught NOT to lead men in Timothy.
Now look at what society has become:
Effeminate, emasculated men
Cheast feeders
Transsexuals
Chemicals causing frogs to flip from male to female and some of those reproducing
Huma behind Weiner now Huma behind Soros
And the myriad of WOMEN who are critical threats to leadership
Look at the SIKH prayer from a woman Harmeet Dhillon who helped tank Kari Lake in AZ then moved on to contested Georgia – they are showing you who and what they worship – and it isn’t the Christian God
Vance said Usha was his “Spiritual Guide”… look at how men are “molded” by good (controlling) women… DeSantis, Clinton, Biden
Beware the #2s especially when they get to be #1s
Clinton, Pelosi, Rice (plural), Cheatle, Harris, and all the B players like the Lewinski, Guilfoyle, DeSantis, Oprah, Biden, and Ushas of the world.
Watch them flip their solidarity from liberal to suddenly conservative… happening all over the place at the local level too… if you haven’t seen it… start watching. I’ve been seeing it in Indiana going back the last 10 to 12 years is when I started catching on. Our IN DOE heads were elected conservative and flipped to liberals midterm… happened twice. It’s like Indiana is a beta test. It’s UNIPARTY and the liberals and faux conservatives are one and the same.
I got up close and personal to this ground campaign to hamstring Braun using bright shiny, Facebook live! objects. Saw the trampling and dismissal of our Constitution.
There’s a reason women can destroy powerful men a la the #metoo movement.
I’ve never cared to be popular, but if you don’t like the Word of God… take it up with God. Women are not to be the leaders of men.
We should NEVER have been led in a SIKH prayer.
We will know them by their imagery and symbols… and yes it matters that JD didn’t wear a flag and wore a blue tie. It matters, because ties were used as codes for sure.
evil’s symbolism is getting bigger, bolder, and in your face. You can’t let it capture ground.
Get right with God for only HE Will save you and us.
But women can certainly be the underminers of powerful men… hence why a whole clandestine industry is built on the premise. To create conflicts of interest and to create leverage.
Breakdown of the family was their Number One goal.
The EVIL ELITISTS have worked assiduously to destroy the sacred sanctity of the healthy sane family.
I agree whole heartedly. Women have a place in life and need to stay in it.
I’ve been saying this here at CTH since forever (14 years?). But oh did I get jumped on the first time I put that in a comment. They threw Golda Mier and Margaret Thatcher in my face. Maybe there are exceptions to that but they are slim and none.
And now I feel the same way about GAY billionaires. SMDH
I’m a woman and I am in complete agreement with you. God established the roles of men and women.
Agree with everything in your post…we all WANT to believe that people will do the right things but we should have learned that when “trillions are at stake”, nothing is off the table to maintain power and control.
You make some good points, Woo. I like your dot connections on that theme.
Having thought about it, I think Usha is Hindu. And IIRC, a lot of there gods are female or Trans, like baphomet.
You forgot Samson and Delilah. Joseph and Potiphar’s wife. Lot’s wife. Sarah’s suggestion to Abraham on having offspring.
The list is way too long…
The use of sex for gain is the fuel for human trafficking
Power and money
It just depends if you’re the bait or you’re seeking the power role… sex can be used one and the same
WOMAN did not do this.
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The hidden perverted powerful trillionaire elitist bloodlines did the evils.
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WOMAN was not created in the image of Lucifer
Woman is a vehicle being used in the destruction… hence the destruction of families. Now women are more and more moving forward into power roles and the men are emasculated and falling in line behind them. We have a country full of mommies’ boys and men who want to be women.
It’s a problem.
Even the transgender phenomenon is primary the goal to move to being a woman, rather than woman to man. Men are being vilified for “toxic masculinity” thereby toughness is ridiculed.
Each has our own Purpose given to us by our Creator. When we fail to stay in our lines, encourage and uplift the wrong people… we as a race move out of alignment and calibration.
Get right with God.
You describe the results well.
But the cause was the vile elites.
Women are the victim, along with everybody else
There are lots of “victims” here – but of all… the victims are our children… which suits demoniacs just fine.
Yale law.
BK- I’ll get attacked for this-but have you noticed who has oddly gone out of his way several times to emphasize how great their marriage is?
I read that she started clerking for kavanaugh and then Roberts after their marriage and her graduation and nothing about China. What is your source for that?
Online. See her bio.
TRUMP was warned. He has hoisted another petard on the people who loved him the most
I’m seriously just about done with it all
Nothing he said will get done ….NOTHING
Vance already refused a call from Zelensky………..WHY??? He could be advocating peace through strength.
I would not take a call from Zelensky the mobster, either.
Bullet Proof Trump 2024.
To hell with zelensky
Zelensky talks like a mobster. He acts like a mobster. He lets people get killed like a mobster.
He’s a mobster.
Bullet Proof Trump 2024
The Party picks the Veep
You really think Zelensky wants peace?
That snake in the grass Z? Everyone should refuse to take his calls.
Trump’s call with Zelensky led to his failed impeachment. The Dems tried.
Can’t imagine anybody wanting to take a call from that little runt with a napoleonic complex.
I felt imminently better last night after President Trump’s speech. But that feeling has disappeared.
I understand your point and it is something to consider but there are counter points. For instance Musk seem to walk the walk on freedom of speech and anti- wokeness.
Now Musk wants a national carbon tax?
And yet Musk has been the IC bed for years.
And just recently shined the light in CTH and Sundance for his regime masters for DHS that was covered in a post here.
Not 1 single business he owns could have started nor survived and thrived without government subsidies, grants, contracts, tax breaks or favors. Not a single one.
But he’s gonna buck the very people who supports him????
Thank you, I have said the same about the secret of all his business success is taxpayer moneys.
Furthermore, the perceived success of Tesla helped ignite this green energy scam and Electric vehicle production mandates.
And he called the westerner expat who was in charge of rescuing the Thai soccer team trapped in a cave a pedophile because he tuned down his offer of a miniature submarine. Expat said it wasn’t feasible to use. Musk slandered him.
BK, see my post above about how they keep trying to sell Vance as some Appalachian country boy…..he’s not even from Appalachia, he’s from Middletown Ohio……20 miles outside Dayton (right up there with Youngstown, I would occasionally do business with dudes from Dayton when I was running the streets of Cbus and Ytown- bad dudes, organized out of Flint Michigan).
I won’t repeat my post….but it sure is a great story…..country boy with Appalachian values…..you know, despite being from the wrong side of the state for that….
Appalachia starts where that train derailed and works down that eastern side of Ohio into Southwest PA and WV.
I saw it and agree.
MamMaw was from Appalachia and he was raised on her values.
Well Usha is a better actor than Karen Pence. At least from the few times we have seen
them together Usha doesn;t look like she sucked lemons whenever she is around either
POTUS or FLOTUS. Karen didn;t even try to hide it.
The alphabets and names you mention contain no banksters.
He didn’t say that….”Yeah, nothing screams DS IC (DHS, FBI, CIA) and globalists (backed by Banksters) than this assortment of Thiel, Bezos, Schmidt, Musk, TC, etc etc.”
Parenthsesis, with the words backed by Banksters after the word globalists, means that the referenced in the parenthesis refers back to globalists. He then lists the people backing Vance, who also have connections to IC and Deep state people.
I guess you will say you understand English and writing. So, why say what you said if you understand the above grammatical operations?
Keep trying to deflect on them like always.
Why the persistently adamant defense against them?
It shows!
It will NEVER work on me.
And, again, all globalist and multinationals are financed by BANKSTERS.
All nonglobalists and nationals are financed by banksters.
All the names mentioned are dependent on banks to keep the game running. All are downstream.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The Bezos connection is interesting, because Bezos is launching a TEMU style Amazon with goods shipped straight from China.
I take a wait and see attitude.
As do many because we have been burned before
Sessions and Pence for instance.
It is important to know them for their actions.
And we all will be watching and dissecting every
word and deed. Because that is what internet
warriors LOL do.
However, up to this point I do not see any nefarious actions
from this man and refuse to denigrate him or push his
accomplishments aside.
However, thanks for the warning!
Agree. I am trusting Trump and the many people around him who are protecting him. They all learned a good lesson from the first time in the WH.
Frankly, I don’t care for Vance. Can’t explain it.
If you expect anything but a duplicitous backstabbing America-last creature in the GOP, then you’re fooling yourself. America will continue to fall unless this political party is reduced to ashes.
we were I thought reducing it to ashes …. we had the lead
then Don Jr pops up with his bright ass idea of who HE picked
Notice how ODD it was that Don Jr wasn’t at the rally….NONE of the kids were. How often has that happened????????????
Very often.. Pay attention 🥱
“How does a person without any baseline in politics, not a council member, not a mayor, not a state rep – or state senate, governor etc., become a U.S. Senator and then quickly get into the White House?”
The same question could be applied to President Trump could it not?
You gotta be kidding right???? Donald Trump was a made billionaire not 38 years old. So NO the same question cannot be applied to President Trump
I do think Trump has shot his wad here. The hopes, the dreams we had of a new better America are now going to be controlled by another Obummer.
I know you’re upset as am I.
But I’m trying to put perspective on it.
Maybe Trump’s just using Vance to ensure he gets elected and that’s all.
We got to get him in office.
If Vance starts BS, Trump can always out him on some scandal possibly forcing his resignation at the most. At the least, he doesn’t have to necessarily endorse him in 28.
Yep, and Vance has already started BS with the carbon tax nonsense…
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2024/07/18/team-jd-vance-begin-announcing-policy-proposals-starting-with-elon-inspired-carbon-taxes/
Let’s see how that goes over with the working class. Maybe that’s the strategy from the Uniparty: have Vance start bringing in and talking about these policies- policies that have been liberal globalist ideas for the past decade.
All to set up some carbon credit trading scheme that Al Gore brought to the forefront.
And if he doesn’t endorse him; Vance’s chances at Presdient die before they even start. Especially, let’s say, Trump endorsed a fiery MAGA Senator from Arizona, who we all know will put her money where her mouth is.
The last time I heard someone say “shot his wad” it was NOT a woman. Just saying…
Your drama is getting absurd.
No one says, “I want to grow up to be Vice President.”
Yes, but one very important difference Donald Trump didn’t need their money.
Bingo.
Donald Trump’s dad, Fred used to give Donald the back of his hand often. Fred was one tough nut. I know this from someone, who worked for Fred Trump at the Port Authority.
Donald did not have it easy while growing up.
Fred Trump did stake Donald in Manhattan, but Fred wouldn’t touch Manhattan. The rest is history.
Bullet Proof Trump 2024
“As an outcome of a control network in 2006 Senator Barack Obama was successfully installed. As an outcome of a control network in 2022 Senator JD Vance was successfully installed. Both Barry Sotero (Obama) and James Bowman (Vance) are mirror images of each other; the playbooks used to create both are identical.”
My knee jerk response would be , it figures if true.
I can believe this could happen because Trump had to pick someone that he though would appease others.
If Vance IS a trojan horse vp, he has picked another pence.
I didn’t know the Vance background you have exposed.
If true Vance is a mirror of Obama.
Obama has tried to destroy America and is responsible for most of todays corruption in government and society.
May God help us all!
Yes, I obie hates America with a murderous passion, but let’s be real, our government has been shot through with corruption since long before I was born, and probably you too (I say that because I don’t know your age, and don’t want to assume ).
The founders were a collection of righteous men. Corruption started with Adam & Eve. It never ceases needing push back.
I think that need to never ever stop pushing back is not emphasized enough. The dangers of not pushing back are not drummed into most of us. We (some of us) come to realize/understand it later in life while evil has gained a stonger hold during our ignorance.
“The powers of financial capitalism had [a] far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent private meetings and conferences. The apex of the system was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world’s central banks which were themselves private corporations.”
Carroll Quigley
One difference between Barry and JD – no classmates remembered Obama at Columbia. He was a ghost. Many people remember interacting with JD as a student at OSU and Yale.
I appreciate Sundance posting this. Vance is on notice, we are watching you.
Nothing wrong with that, we should always be doing that anyway. With everyone. Not paying close attention is what got us into this mess we’re in now.
This background of Vance that Sundance writes about surprised me and then again it did not-given the strange bedfellows politics makes. I guess I drop my naiveness again
I was chagrined to see Vance’s unequally-yoked marriage since core fundamental and shared and solid beliefs unify and are the bedrock of communication between a man and his wife going forward
Something bothers me about the sincerity of Vance. I never heard of his book (nor have I read it) but when I looked it up it had the hallmarks (to me) of a narrative that emanated from design instead of sincerity
A couple of times the stage lights made Vance’s eyes look menacing to me
IMO Trump. chose Vance because if he is killed before the election, there will be no break in his message of America First. Trump wasn’t thinking of his legacy or anointing Vance.
Disheartening to say the least. As an 82 yo however, I probably won’t be around to see the story play out.
Hey Bob, my pop is gonna be 90 this year. He looks forward to watching the whole show to its finale! Hang in there! We are so close! So says my dad. >”) Sent with Love
I only saw one viable choice among the contenders. It was not Vance. I stopped yammering when he was selected. It still did not alter my initial perception.
If it once walked like a duck, quacked, and had feathers….well?
I also don’t believe the current”born again” kumbaya from the tech moguls bs. That includes anyone with that connection.
I agree that we will see how this plays out. There are plenty of us that remain on high alert.
Some people keep falling for the Hollywood la-la act that is presented. They are distracted by the current persona– forgetting what came before.
“Oh, I wasn’t sure, but looky at how nice he sounds now! People need to stop being so mean! Oh, just because he has all those connections with people who are in the spy business doesn’t mean he isn’t really a good guy. Isn’t it cute that he changed his name three times? It’s kinda like he is just searching for the real him.
Maybe our president is going along to get along. He was saved from a bullet when a literal angel turned his head. May DJT remained blessed. America needs him.
SD articulates and researches and enlightens for which I am thankful…..one question remains, WHY WHY did DJT pick HIM of all people?? I have yet to see any upside am I missing something???
That was my first question when reading Sundance’s words. Why did President Trump pick this man? How can President Trump not know all of this ? Does anyone have DJT’s ear? Doesn’t DJT have people that can research all of these things? Why does DJT JR. not know any of this? I am confused. And worried! Somebody make it make sense!
I think, pure speculation as I have no real info on it, just observation in public appearances by Don jr, that he is easily influenced by flattery and excitement of being in the public eye. That’s why he has the girlfriend he has. Kimberly is a power seeker by association. She was Gavin Newsome’s wife, First Lady of SF. She wants to be at the top of the food chain of important political people. She too loves the limelight. She made sure at Fox that she worked her way up to a top rated show—The Five—so she got as much on air time as possible in front of a huge audience and became well known. She is not a Trump-like personality but there she is. She picked the guy she could easily influence and plays the game. All imo. . He is not nearly as smart as his brother Eric, nor as able to manage things.
I think PTrump knows his kids well, he loves them and he does listen to them. They are smart,intelligent and confident people. They are good people. Djr just seems to have some weaknesses that can be exploited a bit. Whether that’s how TPTB got Vance insinuated into the Trump circle, I don’t know. He is there now unfortunately, so we need to watch him and call him out every time we see him do something we don’t like.
Your comment about Don Jr. is right on point as far as I am concerned. His judgement is not the best and neither is his influence on DJT.
That said, it sure was nice to see a clean cut impressive family on that stage last night. No skeletons as far as we know sans Vance. No Hunter or the other corrupt biteme family members either hallelujah!
Influencers.
Agreed. After Saturday’s events, I thought we could win this. Fire, passion, righteous anger, etc. After Monday, though? I’m getting two general feelings here. 1. Yes, the RNC had Christians praying at the convention, but, I can’t shake this feeling that the RNC is leading a drift away from Faith in God. 2 As to Vance? Yikes. I just feel like he’s a younger Pence. People jumped on his train far too soon. Now, they’re shouting down the ones who are saying that something doesn’t seem right by saying that they hate DJT and are anti MAGA. If I had to get one takeaway from this week, it feels like a drift away from MAGA in addition to a drift away from Christianity.
Both here at the TreeHouse and on X the group of trolls amazes me…you are 100% correct…if you say BOO about JD Pence you get shouted down and screamed that you are anti DJT and a naysayer and want to destroy MAGA. I have never been more shouted down ever…it is like there is a literal JD Vance troll/popularity train that has was released on Monday…
Regardless of who the Dems nominate, Trump will win.
If he carries enough Senate and House seats down ticket, he will have a chance to implement his policies.
And they can’t allow that.
Regardless of what Trump does, the globalists/deep state/uniparty will crash the American and world economy ..great depression level crash …it’s as certain as the sun rising in the east tomorrow morning.
The next election that matters isn’t ’28 …it’s the Senate Majority Leader election in Jan 25 …before Trump takes office.
The road ahead is unimaginably difficult.
I trust Trump to bring us through. But the Vance pick shook me.
Robert Barnes related that he witnessed Karl Rove shaking with unbridled rage when Vance’s name was announced as PDJT’s Vice Presidential choice. Reconcile?
Karl Rove is a neocon.
Neocons are not the same as the elements of the Deeper State.
Many silo’s
No. Neoconservatism is a philosophy and an ideology. It tends to service and benefit some elements of the ruling structure (the MIC in particular). Its core belief is the forcible exportation of the American empire doctrine throughout the world, particularly into areas that it views hostile to those interests and beliefs.
The deeper permanent state is a structure, a system, and a process of domestic power accumulation and administration. Its primary focus is on retaining that power, control and self-preservation, and to expand that domestic governmental power whenever the opportunity arises. It is a domestic-centric power system. That the system it controls happens to engage in international matters is secondary to those larger objectives of self-preservation and control over domestic power.
One looks inward, the other outward, to expand its influence. But there are some overlaps where the two intersect and align.
The present example of Ukraine is one where those interests of the two intersect. 9/11 and the resulting wars that followed were another better understood in retrospect. The permanent state enjoyed the enhanced power taken under the Patriot Act and resulting domestic security apparatus installation, while the neocons enjoyed the ‘nation building’ campaign against ‘enemies’ brought about by two decades of foreign military adventure. There are other examples of the two exercising their influence over the many decades going back into the last Century.
Good clarification if the two interests.
They are all actors playing a role.
Barnes is a Vance supporter!
Ha ha ha. If Rove hates him, to me he can’t be all bad.
but why should WE the people who have literally been attacked, called savages, etc etc etc have to bear yet another burden of FAILED leadership.
President Trump for me … anyways…..has failed the test of leadership before he takes office.
God forgive me for saying this……….at least with the Democrats you know what you are getting
How easy would it be for Vance to SUDDENLY become the president……………….look at Saturday night
Trump should have took that as a stark warning about who to choose
He chose Pence 2.0 rather than someone like Carson who would have had his back
Vance brings NOBODY….I kept watching him, he acts stupidly, laughing at the most insane moments, yellow teeth, constantly needing the support of his wife who he couldn’t keep his hands off of.
GOD HELP US
I’m tired of fighting I think I’m buying that spot on the lake in Tn I’ve been wanting and putting a camper on it and I’m going to just try to survive now. I don’t see a brighter future.
Obama2.0 in Vance
I have felt this as well..the very best we can hope for is that DJT relegates JD to “ribbon cutting” type activities until he proves he can be trusted..I doubt it but hope…I have resigned myself to the next 10 years will be wonderfully economically positive….the IC and deep state will stay…forever…picking JD is their insurance policy
Everyone should be buying that piece of land and getting out. Take Trump’s 4 more years as a blessing, and use it wisely. My 401k has been in the ground for 10 years. I rarely buy anything. While the idiots rely on the supermarkets for food and medicine, I go onto my land and pick it for just the price of my own labor. God is good
{{look at Saturday night….Trump should have took that as a stark warning about who to choose}}
Unfortunately that’s EXACTLY what transpired…
WVgal—Flagged!!!~!This is at least your third or fourth rant about not voting for president Trump on the 1st page of this thread.. Once was too much. I call foul!!
Admin, please do your job. Thanks.
No. You can disagree with someone but calling for their censoring /banishment is bush league.
Good enough. Pack your stuff and move on. The sky has fallen.
“Failed leadership”. You referring to Donald Trump? Wow… some people here have gone completely off the deep end. I understand the caution, and I trust and love Sundance, so of course I’m with him 100%. But some of the commenters here are… it almost seems like they WANT an excuse to slam Trump… wow…
Forget the spot by the lake and the camper. Put a rope around your neck and jump from the tallest tree. Save us all your BS.
Nice hit piece. I just unsubscribed from your newsletters.
Alrighty then!
It’s so weird here now.
It’s like the site has been hacked.
“Another one bites the dust! And another one gone, and another one gone, another one bites the dust!“
Interesting info.
Why does someone change their name… multiple times?
Succession of stepfathers?
I was adopted by my stepfather. Then changed upon marriage ( not done by Vance) so three surnames. Some people just dont like their given names or reverse them. Many reasons.
Couldn’t he at least add a hyphen in one of the next iterations?
Vance converted to Catholicism in 2019. That picture must be his earlier wedding picture.
Bet his wife ain’t Catholic?????
Not yet.
Many marriages are mixed religion. Mine, for instance.
Read that they had two weddings to honor both faiths.
That picture was photoshopped which someone noted. I went back and looked at it critically. Head too big. It ain’t Vance.
Yesterday received a campaign solicitation from “Team Vance”. Not Trump/Vance, team Vance.
Screw that!
Yup. No money for ‘Team Vance’.
That speaks volumes. They still don’t get that we may love Trump but that doesn’t automatically transfer to any Republican, Vance included.
Was it sent from Americans For Prosperity/sarc
Koch Brothers
So some of us have a bad sense of Trusting people? Is this the drift I’m getting? We are being bamboozled again by the nice guy? Geez. I’ll just be sitting on the cautious side. Politicians in general are scam artists.
rust belt pick,who else might bring Pa on board? As said before get elected first,then take stock.
The Wisconsin Representative that quit in the Spring went to Palantir…
Once again, sadly, Trump indicates that he is susceptible to choosing the wrong people to surround him. We had hoped that perhaps he had learned the lesson in 2016. But it appears that this may not be the case.
By the way, I have always questioned ‘free speech advocates’ racing over to Rumble, the ‘free speech platform’. Thiel is a major figure in Rumble. ????
Or…the ocean of politicos full of nothing but sharks. There are many species of sharks and they differ widely. They are all dangerous, but some are more dangerous than others.
Political chess has always been a deal with the devil. Let’s pray to the God that spared him that for President Trump it results in “The Devil and Daniel Webster”.
Unless they fudged his grades for him in college, at least JD is very intelligent. That is unlike Barry.
Could you see Obama making it past the first day in the Marines, too?
Nope. I’m sure he gets the vapors just looking at recruiting posters.
Well articulated argument vis a vis the etymology of “J. D. Vance”.
Unless you are in witness protection or running from an abusive spouse, why would you change your name? Why would you do it four times?
You would think that by the time you were in Yale Law School, you would be quite pleased with yourself. Or maybe not. I have seen first hand where a Yale Law School student was so unhappy with himself, that he committed suicide.
You don’t change your name four times, unless you are really unhappy with yourself. My bad vibe about J. D. Vance now has more factual support based upon this article.
Dump him, Donald.
Bullet Proof Trump 2024.
Sundance’s update, and today’s comments are most illuminating and thought provoking.
As a foreigner ( Canadian) my perspective is different
and being born and raised in the U.K. adds yet another layer.
Young boys that grew up in an environment such as Vance ( Alcoholic and dysfunctional homes) are easy prey for emotional predators.
Although different…Bill Clinton, B.O. and Vance are “ cut from the same cloth”
Fathers? Borderline mothers or alcoholic/addict parents.
Siblings?
None had any money of their own.
It is difficult for folks that grow up like that to not develop a narcissistic personality of one type or another.
IMO President knows this, he has dealt with any and all personalities over the many decades.
As he once
“ it’s a complicated business”
Cheers to all!
My mother taught learning disabled elementary and middle school students for 28 years. She came home, and talked about it. We had the children over every Christmas.
One half of the learning disabled children were in the program, because they had problems at home and were not technically learning disabled. Many had high I. Q.’s.
With “J. D.” I see a driven, smart guy, who has an atrocious background, and I don’t know what he is really all about. It appears that he may be a construct.
I love Canada, but Trudeau, not so much. I was at two games in Montreal, during the 1976 summer Olympics. That was a blast.
Bullet Proof Trump 2024
A guy I know spoke highly of JD one time this past winter because of hearing good things about him on Mark Levin’s radio show.
That gave me not just one problem to solve but TWO.
Noticeably absent last night was Barron. Could someone please point him out for me? I searched every shot and did not see him. Makes me wonder if there is a security threat or something else going on with PDJT’s youngest son.
He was traumatized by the event on Saturday. He does not need to be part of the political arena yet.
I agree. Though rightfully proud of his family, I wonder if maybe those kids and grandkids are not being needlessly put in danger on that stage.
Barron belongs to Melania. She is a lioness. He will be protected at all costs by her.
I recognize it because I am the same with my kids.
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Maybe he has an inkling for surveillance type activities, and not being spotlighted all the time . . .
I tend to believe he has his father’s back.
Great analysis. Just when I think I have a handle on what is happening, Sundance peels another layer of the onion.
The Swamp must be drained. The money flow that keeps it full must be drained. Everything in the country now is too big to fail. The federal government must be reduced to a few basic departments and they must be cut back too. Big business must be reduced to middle sized business. The cure for Blackrock is to make it Several Black Pebbles.
In the old days the King looked out from his massive castle at his serfs and their hovels. The eye of Sauron in DC is doing the same now. We do not need this massive data spying any longer with its FISA abuses. Close it down. It prevents nothing and enhances evil doing.
When you talk about Vance being installed, he was installed by Trump most of all. Without Trump’s endorsement he would not have won the Senate seat.
If Vance is a mistake it’s trump’s mistake.
Vance probably helps Trump win in PA and Wisconsin. That’s enough for now. If the DEEP STATE/ IC candidates and the TECH/Crypto candidates want to duke it out for the republican nomination in 2028, let them have at it. God willing we will have a new MAGA party to vote for by then.
Joshua 24:15. Amen
According to an article in Expresso (Portugal) on 8 June 2017, JD Vance was invited to the 2017 Bilderberg Meeting, which took place in Chantilly (France), but didn’t attend due to the birth of his son Ewan on 4 June 2017.
Source: @GFBombassei
Thanks.
>>>> It’s a mirror
Difference between JD Vance and F’Obama is that Vance served in the Marine Corp.
However, if he’s like DeSantis, in the JAG capacity not as a combat marine, it doesn’t signify much. ===> Please note, I am not discounting his military service, I won’t ever do that to any who served.
I am saying those Globalists who pull strings might have a backup DeSantis clone/puppet, probably many in the making process still. IOW, Vance needs watching closely, esp. these next few weeks/months, and see what he will do now that he’s the second name on Trump’s ticket.
I believe he was a correspondent.
Unlike the other services, all Marines, even in JAG have to do full basic training. i looked at Marine Corps JAG, when I was in law school, and kicked myself since then for not doing it.
Bullet Proof Trump 2024.
So far the billionaire club hasn’t put Vance in a flight suit yet, which looked ridiculous on DeSantis. Maybe they’ve learned their lesson.
SMH, don’t know why DeSantis had been persuaded to do that stunt, must be his wife’s big influence.
As you say, move and countermove.
Head always on a swivel.
An old Bing Crosby song…Don’t Fence Me In
In other words, Give Me Freedom and Liberty, I’ll work everything else out on my own.
JMO, YMMV
“Memento mori,” whispered the slave in my ear.
I Love that song by Bing! My Sister-in law taught school for 36 years and that was the song she played at her retirement party. It’s an American classic.
The only thing I notice at this point is that the Vance apologists under SD’s TwiXter posts are very similar to the RDS apologists. VERY similar. Without the vulgarity and impulsivity, generally speaking. Maybe that’s something derived from AI output about the right’s semantics and behavior on social media that’s been adopted.
I don’t know what the statistical concordance is in these apparent RDS conscript apologists, but it is good enough for my pattern recognition to drag out the suspicious Jack Russell terrier.
Maybe it’s planned to draw in the RDS tribe to the ballot box (thinking of ’28), maybe it is something else. Maybe it’s uniparty, as SD mentions. But, what SD notes is factually deeper than my spidey sense, which is good enough warning for me.
“Once bitten, twice shy.”
–Older farts everywhere
Yes, the alligator crowd are now solidly behind JD…the approach was changed and switched up when they realized Meatball had no personality…they had to go to their back up plan in JD
All hope is lost. ???
No, because in 2028 Vance only becomes president if WE elect him, and WE won’t!
You would think so reading this thread today. That’s not what Sundance said though. They forgot the last part of the post.
Thanks for the illuminating commentary, Sundance. I know better, now, what to look out for.
One way to win is to never, ever purchase a battery powered car. Sorry, Elon, you can take your Tesla and “shovel it”. – Demolition Man, the movie.
Bullet Proof Trump 2024
They nearly pushed Vance off the stage. The whole balloon drop display was so awkward, like Trump was saying “I’m the boss, you best remember that”. He was forced into picking Vance, maybe.
The Trump organization knows most or not all of this. Is it possible they sense a vulnerability there and believe they can flip this man?
Wow, this is worse than I thought. And I thought it was bad.
As they like to say at AA meetings, more will be revealed!
Thank you, Sundance, for the prompted portion of the video. I looked up the translation of the words to Nessun Dorma, (President Trump’s choice of song) and it ends with “I will win! I will win! I will win!” President Trump looks up at the singer and gives a very satisfied expression. Not to mention the gold balloons among the red, white, and blue ones…..very stable genius indeed. 👍🏻🇺🇸🙏🏼
‘Nessun Dorma’ opera played in movie ‘Sum of All Fears’ retribution scene when deep state criminals trying to start WWIII are eliminated. Neesun Dorma means ‘None Shall Sleep’ in English.
Loved that movie. Loved those scenes. Thank you for the explanation. Cheered me up immensely.
This hauntingly beautiful piece is actually an aria from Puccini’s opera, “Turandot.” Puccini died before he finished it, and it was completed by another man.
Vance is his mother’s maiden name. She married several times, and his various last names probably were his stepfathers’. He may have decided to leave those men behind.
Very plausible, but we are guessing at most of this based on bits of what we think is true information from sources like the media who we know lie all the time. He should explain it all to people, upfront and honestly. This name change thing will be used by the left to haunt him probably through the whole campaign. Just come out and explain his own history in some interview that people can hear and watch. Simple solutions.
If the media doesn’t attack him, bring up his discrepancies and connections, imo it would be a big tell that the left is onboard with him being VP. I said that from day one. Watch the VP pick and who is ok with it to see which way the wind is blowing and who is riding it in.
So basically Vance took the name of the grandparents who raised him. Maybe that was a good stable choice.
It was a salute to his precious grandparents after dealing with all the various name changes via his Mother. God bless him and his MamMaw. His childhood was indeed tough and I think it was a wise pick by Trump as his story WILL bring in voters where two old men will turn away the young vote IF the Demwits choose another candidate than Bidumb or Cameltoe. We have lost everything if Trump is not elected and all the harping on here about Trump’s VP choice is ridiculous imo, but my wits are on end and I’m tired of it all. If Vance turns out to be bad, he can be given the boot. If he does well, then we’ll be happy. We can be watchful, but still have optimism. I hope my favorite site has calmed to sanity level soon.
Holy smokes. I knew nothing of the name changes. Wow!