I’m just going to throw out a bunch of factual datapoints that seemingly mean something, but the larger ‘intent’ picture is still opaque. Many readers may not be familiar with the connective tissue between the names, so I’ll just cut to the chase.
According to media reports, Pershing Square Capital Management founder Bill Ackman is preparing to back Donald Trump in the 2024 election {LINK}. Bill Ackman is the Wall Street money guy backstopping Elon Musk, and Ackman created the financial vehicle to take the X-Platform back to the public market (unused mechanism).
To wit, Elon Musk is reportedly in frequent communication with President Trump {LINK} potentially now as an advisor to the campaign:
“As recently as two years ago, Trump and Musk were publicly trading insults. But in recent months, the two men are developing a friendly rapport and talk on the phone several times a month as the election nears, the people familiar with their talks said. The pair have held discussions on immigration, technology and science, including the U.S. Space Force. Their views and interests have grown more aligned, the people said, with Musk calling Trump directly on his cellphone.” (more)
Elon Musk (Tesla) does not want tariffs against Chinese electric vehicles. Axios is reporting that Musk plans to host an X-Platform townhall event with President Trump {LINK}. As the billionaire classes choose sides, Mark Cuban is aligned with the multinationals and Biden; meanwhile, Musk and Ackman now appear to be aligning with Trump.
JD Vance and Vivek Ramaswamy were college roommates. Both Vance and Ramaswamy were financially backed by Peter Thiel. Thiel and Musk (now with Ackman, Vance and Ramaswamy) seemingly run in the same tribal circles.
Curiously, this grouping who seemingly support cryptocurrency, along with a few others who do not openly support the Hamas faction of U.S financial interests, are moving deeper into the America-First Trump orbit. The question of their motive remains. Do they support the MAGA agenda, or are they worming their way into position in order to undermine it?
You decide.
Hard to view this as anything other than abuse of the law for political purposes https://t.co/c8Ub8g62qq
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) June 1, 2024
The FBI conducted surveillance on Donald Trump using the NSA database. The CIA, DNI and FBI launched a counterintelligence operation against Trump. The DOJ and FBI fabricated the Trump-Russia collusion narrative. They tried to impeach Donald Trump twice. They arrested Donald Trump four times. They charged him 91 times with manufactured crimes. They indicted Donald J Trump four times, while the Biden DOJ/FBI arrested his lawyers and legal advisors. The Joe Biden Dept of Justice then jailed his supporters and put a gag order on Donald Trump. They censored him. Working with the National Archives to manufacturer a case against him, they raided Donald Trump’s home using a sketchy search warrant. They tried to remove him from ballots within several states and used a Biden appointed judge to frame support for their legal arguments. A Biden donor judge then convicted him through a Biden prosecutor, using testimony from a convicted felon, serial perjurer, and porn star…. Yet, with all of that pressure against him, Donald John Trump is still leading Joe Biden in every national and key swing state poll.
Why?
Because the American people are wide awake now.
Patrick wood has all the info I need on Musk. I don’t need to know any more about him Family history of technocracy/transhumanist planning.
Good Gravy!
Still stuck on Q?
Truth has predictive powers. Q was wrong far too often to be anywhere near truth.
We’ve been burned so many times I trust no one. When someone does do the right thing it always surprises me.
I’m not shocked anymore by the communists running our country or their cheerleading media propagandists. They talk a good game, but all it is is verbal diarrhea. BS.
I’d love to be surprised, please one big one.
I follow Musk on X, initially asking the same questions Sundance put in the article. For the past several months Musk has been more supportive of freedoms that biden and crew seem to be taking away. Musk frequently mentions the blessings of his children and encourages people to consider larger families. Musk also has pulled time restrictions on Spaces and other streaming by Alex Jones, Joe Rogan and many more Patriot vices. Must has spoken out on Trump’s various trials, commenting on NY trial by frequently forwards posts by those criticizing Merchan – gag orders/forcing trump to sit in the courtroom and obvious bias toward Trump defense, Bragg, Colangelo. It seems he woke up when the Feds forces, covert and overt, had relentlessly attacked Trump punishing him for opening the platform and killing censoring bots and algorithms. So while it certainly prudent to keep eyes on a number of people, I’m not sensing Musk doing much more than other corporate leaders influencing on behalf of his companies. But he sure seems like he’s moved closer to populism. It’s also noteworthy Tucker and Musk are also close and Tucker’s trip to Russia, Putin interview and now ongoing communications between Tucker and people he met. There seems to be a gathering of notable people switching horses especially when it comes to financial matters. I know it sounds Pollyannaish but there are dots between odd bedfellows, BRiCS and Cryptos. I wonder sometimes if Trump may be cultivating possible alliances after the whole shebang blows up…I’m still watching. I think in the coming months/years we may see a fair amount of realignments.
Wow! This reads like a season from Mr Robot.
We arent trusting the sham. Just stop it.
I have been saying that this will be the biggest sting operation in history. These past four years have been a bonanza for our side, the communists so drunk with power and hubris have outted themselves.
The mockingbird media makes it seems as though their core group is larger than it is, it is not, otherwise they would have never brought in a third world army of illegals.
A whole lot of wishful thinking.
I decided a long time ago and all that happens confirms it. Unlike Trump, Musk never built anything. He is yet another groomed Wunderkind propped atop multinational monopiles designed to bleed us to death and gut America from within.
I always make an extra effort to read your comments.
You don’t know it, but you brought me here in 2015, soon after the Trumps descended the escalator.
Tell you later how we met (it wasn’t in person).
I follow Ackman on X… not sure he’ll vote for Trump. But maybe that has changed AFTER this Kabuki trial. He’s been leaning Kennedy lately… since Biden is not a choice anymore due to how he has complained about Israel.
(Moved reply. Dont know why it ended up here.)
Psalms 37:1 (KJV) Fret not thyself because of evildoers, neither be thou envious against the workers of iniquity.
Psalms 37:2 (KJV) For they shall soon be cut down like the grass, and wither as the green herb.
Psalms 37:3 (KJV) Trust in the LORD, and do good; so shalt thou dwell in the land, and verily thou shalt be fed.
Psalms 37:4 (KJV) Delight thyself also in the LORD; and he shall give thee the desires of thine heart.
Psalms 37:5 (KJV) Commit thy way unto the LORD; trust also in him; and he shall bring it to pass.
Psalms 37:6 (KJV) And he shall bring forth thy righteousness as the light, and thy judgment as the noonday.
Psalms 37:7 (KJV) Rest in the LORD, and wait patiently for him: fret not thyself because of him who prospereth in his way, because of the man who bringeth wicked devices to pass.
Psalms 37:8 (KJV) Cease from anger, and forsake wrath: fret not thyself in any wise to do evil.
Psalms 37:9 (KJV) For evildoers shall be cut off: but those that wait upon the LORD, they shall inherit the earth.
Psalms 37:10 (KJV) For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be.
Psalms 37:11 (KJV) But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.
Psalms 37:12 (KJV) The wicked plotteth against the just, and gnasheth upon him with his teeth.
Psalms 37:13 (KJV) The Lord shall laugh at him: for he seeth that his day is coming.
Psalms 37:14 (KJV) The wicked have drawn out the sword, and have bent their bow, to cast down the poor and needy, and to slay such as be of upright conversation.
Psalms 37:15 (KJV) Their sword shall enter into their own heart, and their bows shall be broken.
Psalms 37:16 (KJV) A little that a righteous man hath is better than the riches of many wicked.
Psalms 37:17 (KJV) For the arms of the wicked shall be broken: but the LORD upholdeth the righteous.
Psalms 37:18 (KJV) The LORD knoweth the days of the upright: and their inheritance shall be for ever.
Psalms 37:19 (KJV) They shall not be ashamed in the evil time: and in the days of famine they shall be satisfied.
Psalms 37:20 (KJV) But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the LORD shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away.
Psalms 37:21 (KJV) The wicked borroweth, and payeth not again: but the righteous sheweth mercy, and giveth.
Psalms 37:22 (KJV) For such as be blessed of him shall inherit the earth; and they that be cursed of him shall be cut off.
Psalms 37:23 (KJV) The steps of a good man are ordered by the LORD: and he delighteth in his way.
Psalms 37:24 (KJV) Though he fall, he shall not be utterly cast down: for the LORD upholdeth him with his hand.
Psalms 37:25 (KJV) I have been young, and now am old; yet have I not seen the righteous forsaken, nor his seed begging bread.
Psalms 37:26 (KJV) He is ever merciful, and lendeth; and his seed is blessed.
Psalms 37:27 (KJV) Depart from evil, and do good; and dwell for evermore.
Psalms 37:28 (KJV) For the LORD loveth judgment, and forsaketh not his saints; they are preserved for ever: but the seed of the wicked shall be cut off.
Psalms 37:29 (KJV) The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein for ever.
Psalms 37:30 (KJV) The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment.
Psalms 37:31 (KJV) The law of his God is in his heart; none of his steps shall slide.
Psalms 37:32 (KJV) The wicked watcheth the righteous, and seeketh to slay him.
Psalms 37:33 (KJV) The LORD will not leave him in his hand, nor condemn him when he is judged.
Psalms 37:34 (KJV) Wait on the LORD, and keep his way, and he shall exalt thee to inherit the land: when the wicked are cut off, thou shalt see it.
Psalms 37:35 (KJV) I have seen the wicked in great power, and spreading himself like a green bay tree.
Psalms 37:36 (KJV) Yet he passed away, and, lo, he was not: yea, I sought him, but he could not be found.
Psalms 37:37 (KJV) Mark the perfect man, and behold the upright: for the end of that man is peace.
Psalms 37:38 (KJV) But the transgressors shall be destroyed together: the end of the wicked shall be cut off.
Psalms 37:39 (KJV) But the salvation of the righteous is of the LORD: he is their strength in the time of trouble.
Psalms 37:40 (KJV) And the LORD shall help them, and deliver them: he shall deliver them from the wicked, and save them, because they trust in him.
Get this word right in your heart. It’s The Lord God Almighty. Pray, Trust and Believe That He Is Our refuge, shelter, protector and the way maker. I can do all thing though Christ who strengthens me.
I felt compelled to give us Treepers this Psalm from David. It’s true for yesterday,today and forever.
Love and prayers to all. And Praise The Lord. This to shall pass. God is already moving and his Glory will shine. It’s already started. Why do you think everything is being exposed now. It’s to awaken us from our sleep.
And he tells us what He is going to do.
That’s a terrifically comforting Psalm, and your comment most timely.
Thank you for posting it.
I have some few (mostly verses) I recite to myself daily.: eg — “My God will supply all your need according to His glorious riches in Christ Jesus.”
While I don’t think Musk’s neurolink stuff is a good Idea Elon does come across as an honest guy who thinks way out of the box.
President Trump has made some mistakes along the way yet thinks creatively also and will not surrender his desire to protect us from the dangers we are facing.
These new alignments seem to me to reflect the understanding by wealthy and intelligent people that unless something is done we are all going down.
It is the LOVE of money that is the root of all evil.
But in the hands of people who love it is a useful tool to affect great good.
I think the Silicon Valley VC who donated 300k to Trump summed it up correctly- he may not agree with Trump on everything but the other side is committing unconscionable wrongdoing and he is forced to take the side of American interests, law and order, and fairness. That’s good enough right now. We have to win first before any of the agenda can be enacted. And losing means further fall into the abyss.
these guys all pay 20% on their cap gains thanx to PDJT… That expires in 25.
joe and senate inc would more than double it.
blue states would make it Sweden.
thats why.
They see the opportunity of going along the ride. What happens in history to the winners who were there from the beginning?
They see the risk of the other side winning. What happened in history to the rich and powerful when the envious and the insane win?
It’s a calculated move. Win-Lose vs. Lose-Lose..
MAGA offers a smaller slice of a growing pie, but still a significant and increasing slice.
BBB offers a bigger slice of a decreasing pie that ends in an all-eating-all for the little that’s left, with a very few owing the last little pie that’s left.
It’s the logical conclusion what to chose.
And you really can’t put a price on peace and order, safety and decency (moral decay tops the charts as a civilizational destroyer), says I.
Why? Because JB is a rotting carcass and the stench is reaching even Denmark.
One of his best. Very enjoyable to watch – Outlaw Trump speaks
https://x.com/Shawn_Farash/status/1796608352002154859
Shawn is amazing and MAGA too!
I still say, trust Elon Musk. He is more about saving America and doing the right thing. He is realizing that he only can do it through Trump. Who in his right mind pays 44 billion for freedom of speech. Apparently Musk.
Friends, come out of the weeds. The issue is now light vs. darkness. Musk is proving to be a light seeker. Let’s run with that until we have the luxury to nitpick each other to death again.
I don’t know what the future holds but I know who holds the future. If the Good Lord blesses me with life to still be here on this earth I am voting for Trump.
Elon Musk has a lot of young followers. We need the young people to know it is okay to support Trump. Elon Musk does this for them.
Young people are also being killed financially. They are turning to MAGA. We need as many influencers as possible to get them there.
Money talks and bullshit walks. I would not trust these men carrying the MAGA banner. First, they planted their flags with Biden and are in business with the Chinese. Really? Remember the parable of the snake.
Why would people, mostly weii off people, risk their neck signing the Declaration of Independence?
Precedents have been set : Biden You can only hope the grim reaper comes soon…When Trump wins in 2025 the targets for LawFare are #1 Obama spying on Trump #2 Hillary Russia hoax #3 Biden and 51 former intel heads who signed the Hunter Biden Laptop Russia disinformation letter …They better lawyer up and prepare to go bankrupt….Trumps revenge…
As mentioned regarding the supposed “alignment” of a few billionaires, suffice it to say, they certainly have made their leanings clear as to who they will support in the next presidential election (if there even is one, but I am nearly 💯 % sure a facsimile of Marshall law will deny that right); however, while they are apparently choosing sides, they each will have their own agenda, and will use their wealth toward that goal or set of goals, make no mistake. The presidential outcome is only one means toward that end.
You are right but Musk goes in the right direction. South Africans did not grow up with your Constitution. We were free always. Musk’s bloodline goes 1 generation. Not part of the deep state. Off coarse he will protect his business, he will do it with Trump.
And the BIG PICTURE before all that to me is, the upcoming election. Has the STOLEN election of 2020 been corrected? The answer of course is NO. Has there been headway made against the system that allowed and participated in that STOLEN election? SOME. Do I believe that there was enough of that headway done to stop another STOLEN election? NO, I absolutely DO NOT. THAT is my fear, and it is because we have a bunch of COWARDS that we call Republicans that have basically done NOTHING to stop it in November…..
For another angle to this topic, see The New Yorker [magazine article] called “Elon Musk’s Shadow Rule,” (How the US government came to rely on the tech billionaire–and is now struggling to rein him in.” Ronan Farr ow, August 21, 2023.
I don’t trust Musk. Have never fully trusted Musk. And probably will never trust Musk. I always get nervous when a cult of personality grows up around a person like Musk (and yes, I was suspicious of the same in 2015 when Trump announced). I watched one grow around DeSantis, and DeSantis has shown me he is nothing but a Trojan Horse. Usually, later events have proven me right in my initial suspicions – Trump being the most notable exception. I have also seen several grassroots attempts to topple the political class be infiltrated, corrupted, and finally dismantled. Problem is, Trump has few places he can go for financial allies. The sharks are circling the boat. Vance, of late, has been one of the more disciplined and on message surrogates Trump has following the “verdict”. The thing to remember here is, Trump is only going to be able to do one more term. Unusual in that, any big money donors could be … well … ignored … after winning the office because he won’t need them for a second term. Time will tell, I guess.
Steve Bannon talked about this. A lot of people are going to circle to try to co-op the agenda. The problem for Trump is there is no one to fill an administration that has his policies. They can talk a good game, but at the end of the day they have their own agendas and they hope to influence Trump. I don’t trust any of them. They all have had far different public opinions not long ago.
Aren’t we all also trying to influence Trump?
Not me. He is on the wavelength I acquired in 2007.
He’s already tuned in and mostly aligned with MAGA patriots. Certainly not 100% but we’ve never had more than 20% commonality with any Republican (and far less with most), so if most of us can say we agree with 75+% of his agenda and all of his top few priorities I’d say we are spectacularly better off than ever before.
Exactly. Bannon is chief among them.
I do not quite understand why people do not want me to share raw information about networks, even without opinion therein.
I thought you provided some excellent information today that I did not know before with the revelation of JD & Vivek being roommates along with Musk & Ackman financial genesis.
Businessman like Musk and Ackman are simply hedging their bets as both have billions at stake with a renewed Trump Presidency that will impose tariffs on China. On the other hand Musk hates injustice and what is going on with the persecution of Trump and MAGA.
If I were to choose which side Musk favors more, “markets in China” vs “injustice in America”, I would bet he goes all in with Injustice in America because the prevailing corruption in America with someday eat his enterprise and freedom whole.
Agreed.
Well said
‘now’ or ‘not’.
I come here explicitly for the ‘raw information’ you publish …which over many years now, has an unusual record of insight and being correct.
Don’t always agree with your position but I have learned to respect them.
I deeply appreciate the information shared and the fact that you allow us to form our own opinions conveys a deep respect for all here. Thank you for that.
Just a guess, but think those people who do not want the raw information still like to pretend to not know things?
Please keep doing what you’re doing, and staying safe and ten steps (or years) ahead of those who would keep us in the dark.
I’ve been following you since 2014. I do so because of the raw data you post.
I’ve shared articles you’ve posted with people I thought were searching for answers, only to have them turn on me and tell me to take off my tinfoil hat.
There are people waking up, but there are also people who are becoming complacent and shutting their eyes and ears to the truth.
I appreciate you Sundance…don’t listen to the haters. The truth is more important than those who are offended because they are afraid to accept reality.
Sundance, the information, raw or otherwise, that you provide is valuable to us, your readers. Please continue without reservation. I come here to read your opinion on any topic important to you.
They can’t handle the truth.
Keep givin’ it to us straight-up and full strength, SD!
To paraphrase the movie Barbershop, “if we can’t be truthful in TCTH, where can we be truthful?”
I’m wary of anything that doesn’t thrive in the sunlight. I can’t speak for others, but I definitely appreciate the intel.
Possible that those who do ask, have ulterior motives – just seeing how much you know / have unearthed of info that they have been trying to obscure or thought was obscure….
I personally don’t want raw data without your studied analysis and opinions. 👍 👍
Don’t ever stop. We need relevant information. Whether it suits everyone or not makes no difference.
Even McConnell says that prosecution was wrong, and he’s basically a disciple of Satan. Such statements are worthless, other than in their absence, which indicates a person is a complete lost cause but is at least honest about it. But many, many of our enemies will say what McConnell has said, and we know this, and must act accordingly.
Musk is likely one of those. His cash flow is beholden to the Uniparty. ’nuff said.
Perhaps Elon is smart enough to realize his cash flow really depends upon how many people are even able to buy one of his cars.
Trump joined TikTok
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/06/02/trump-joins-tiktok-the-app-he-once-tried-to-ban-00161155
“Voice of America” broadcast into communist countries.
Suspicious Cat
We need a Subversive Cat.
Ungovernable, Unpredictable, relentlessly freedom focused.
That would be every cat, anywhere, at any time.
In DJT’s presser the other day he mentioned electric cars and them being manufactured in Chyna -not in a good way.
DJT’s electric car focus is the new factories China is building in Mexico to by-pass the type of import tariffs he imposed on them last time. Musk is every bit as concerned as Trump. China could sell them for 10K in the US and Musk can’t compete with that. Neither can anyone else.
Sundance, I tend to think the Musk/Trump/Ackman/Theil/Vance/Ramaswamy/et al connection, whether or not planned a couple years ago, is certainly being orchestrated to a high degree right now. It is very hard for people, including myself, to wrap their minds around people like Ackman and Theil being good guys. And after reading much from Whitney Webb, the deep state connections to the people that run our government and those around the world, are intertwined like a hundred spider webs. I personally believe that patiots, beginning with Trump and a select few in the military, have a firm grasp on where we’re going. With that said, prepare, because not everything will be clean. And IMO, things are going to get downright ugly for a period of time.
I for one have a very difficult time slotting Thiel into a “good guy” category, and I’m agnostic on Ackman (not enough information), but 1000 percent on the rest of what you wrote, Patriot.
All their libertarian crap might work in an orderly, polite society. But with mental cases galore it will not work to have legal heroin mainlining. Only a mental case would mainline heroin.
…precisely why I’ve always been a small “L” libertarian. The druggies captured the party long ago. The Mises component has fought back but lost to an outright gay Marxist. Can’t reconcile that. They won’t get 1% in Nov and that’s going to hurt their state ballot access badly.
” Elon Musk (Tesla) does not want tariffs against Chinese electric vehicles.”
With Tesla being the most made in America car for the last 3 years running I doubt Musk is against tariffs on made in China EV’s.
Does Tesla make EV’s in China ? Yes but those cars are sold in China. Very much like the Tesla’s made in the USA and those that are made in Germany are sold in Europe.
Truth has no agenda~ No trust for ANY of them~ ‘ You knew I was a snake’…Thank You Sundance for All of your research and raw truth telling~ Going deep is well worth the time and energy, especially when finding that truth becomes knowledge for fighting the battle of our lives! Keep on keepin’ on!
Musk calling DJT’s cell phone (raw data WSJ) strikes me as odd; many years ago DJT said he didn’t have a cell phone. I have never seen him with one either. Please post if you know different; little things help me figure out truth, thank you!
How do you think he did all the mean tweets?
I really like Ramaswamy and JD Vance. It was totally news to me that they were room-mates, but makes sense knowing that Vance’s wife is American second generation East Indian and they all attended Yale together.
Of all the names mentioned above, I only trust these two.
And yes, we are all trying to influence Trump.
Please listen to ~48:30 to 51:30. W.W. discusses Musk, Space X, Space Force, Thiel, Palantir, TIA, Bill Barr, pre-crime, borders, etc. Would sincerely love to hear what Treepers similarly suspicious to myself think about Trump’s involvement:
https://unlimitedhangout.com/2024/04/resources/show-notes/the-carbon-credit-coup-with-mark-goodwin/
There’s a third choice, isn’t there, besides supporting the MAGA agenda and seeking to undermine it from within? Perhaps they are simply betting on Trump to win and then being in a position to profit by their proximity to power
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Let’s hope the “Great awakening” continues and doesn’t end up being a “Roll over and go back to sleep”, which usually happens.