Alex Jones did not warrant the scale of deplatforming and censorship that he received. In the free market, independent people can choose not to engage with, tune out or block anyone they find is not in alignment with their value system.
In the era of defined information (dis, mis and mal), a slippery slope is created where information itself is suppressed, and ultimately this erodes the principle of speech. Just because information, even significantly contrary information, is provided, that does not mean anyone is required to believe it. As I have previously shared, when we allow definitions imposed by others to define and ultimately control information, we become subjects to the censors. The decision to permit Jones to return to Twitter was the correct decision.
All of that said, the action taken by Musk will likely only worsen the revenue side of the X/Twitter financial situation. With staunch opposition groups now using the reinstatement of Alex Jones as a targeting arrow in their quiver, and with approximately $1.5 billion in annual debt service, even 10 million paid subscribers ($8/mo) cannot offset the scale of revenue drop from a lack of advertisers.
It remains to be seen how X/Twitter can remain viable in the longer term with $12.5 billion in debt.
I caution readers to stay unemotional in/around the intentions of Elon Musk as it pertains to the operation of what I believe Twitter to be. As CTH has long documented, Twitter was essentially a DHS controlled/influenced intelligence operation with the intent to control/influence public opinion.
You can make an argument that Twitter is being guided into a controlled crash. If that were the operational intent, nothing currently being done would be done differently.
“The decision to permit Jones to return to Twitter was the correct decision.”
Then insofar as that goes, it’s good news.
I’m constantly surprised by how much you don’t get it when it comes to Twitter and musk. He does not need to make money in any way that you think he does. The training data for the AI loan based on the Twitter fire hose is sufficient value to pay /,000,000,000 dollars a year loss.
You’re so good on all the other stuff but you’re so off-base with this. You just don’t get it..
“Just because information, even significantly contrary information, is provided, that does not mean anyone is required to believe it.”-Sundance
I will confess to tempering my hopes for Elon’s work based on Sundance’s analysis. Precisely because his historical record of accuracy on so many levels, but as much as I find he is one of the best political analysts I have ever read in my life, and I read more than 2 hours a day for 25+ years, and do not watch tv at all, I accept that he can be wrong at times, and have seen it myself. I hope he is wrong on X/Twitter, because we could all use a little hope right now.
I also am too ignorant of all the Elon things to be able to hold a truly informed position. What is the training data for AI loan bit? Do you have a preferred link that explains it.
Lastly I have seen too many ops run against the good people in the last 20 years to trust just about ANYONE these days. RFK, Ballard, everything the Mason’s are up to, all of Hollywood, Sportsball, Ukraine, Israel/Palestine, every war we were ever part of, USS Liberty, 9/11, Afghanistan, Vaccines, etc. That it’s hard to believe anyone is on our side. So I just do the best I can and keep putting a smile on my face for the people next to me. So feel free to infuse some hope here with your Elon financials knowledge. 🙂 Thanks.
I’m living the same life as you it seems, been here since before the Trayvon days. I don’t care if someone is fully on my side or not, just that he aligns more times than not with my ideology. Elon checks those boxes, but yeah you can’t put your faith in anyone. Not Elon, not even trump, not even SD. I’ve got reservations for all 3.
Yes, this is a distraction. Looks good. Feels good.
Still, I have absolutely no faith that Musk is a good guy. It is off-putting to watch people grovel because he allowed Jones back on his platform.
Musk, the good-hearted genius, is an illusion. IMO
I feel the same about Vivek.
Where did these people get their money? Who are they, or have they, been in bed with to achieve their current status?
Vivek got his money from a scam and defrauded investors so I absolutely don’t trust him at all.
Musk? He’s produced nice things like X rockets and Starlink and Tesla’s, but I don’t trust a man who makes the best part of his money from the government and the stock market.
I will listen and evaluate all their sayings and choices, however. I don’t trust Ramaswamy with the VP at all, maybe not even a cabinet job.
What was Vivek’s scam and which investors were defrauded?
you havent looked?
I have – google Vivek’s scam and you go to a porn site
g00gIe – LOL!!!
presenter (IDK who he is, just a messenger; says he’s a professional financial advisor) is a little long-winded, but spells it out in stepwise fashion -paints a plausible picture because this IS how pHARMa operates and Vivek’s mother IS a minion/psychiatrist; his whole family profited massively from this “alleged scam”…
{ Exposing a Multibillion Dollar FRAUD | Ft. Vivek Ramaswamy for President. }
{ ConMed Vivek Ramaswamy Made the Fortune Fueling His Presidential Run – The New York Times } confirming the main points in pHARMa- apologist language ie. “lucky break” and “unfortunate unforeseen”.
“… Mr. Ramaswamy’s enterprise is best known for a spectacular failure. As a 29-year-old with a bold idea and Ivy League connections, he engineered what was at the time the largest initial public offering in the biotechnology industry’s history — only to see the Alzheimer’s drug at its center fail two years later and the company’s value tank.
…”
You decide -” just business SOP” or ConMedpHARMa-insider scam???
Just stop depending on g00gIe, OK? – there’s so much the usurpers don’t want you to knowand none of it is accessible through their corrupted portal.
“Makes nice things” 2 of the 3 nice things you have named are for military applications.
Just remember that most things are not as they appear, the Trojan Horse comes to mind.
Like it or not technology today is driven largely by two things.
Porn and military.
That is where the money is.
Personally I chose to see as Quixotic and entertaining.
Put not your trust in princes…
I’d view AI as more as a TRAINING TOOL to map about ideaologies. for switch ON/OFF (Access) manipulation.
just a few hours of disruption cna provide a good window to dominate Americans without it being communicated wide spread to cause a panic.
Prediction on political, social and economic cycles will only go so far.
We are all getting smarter, stop thinking in cycles of ebb and flow. Time isn’t just circular,. absolute or relative. It isn’t just the western concept of horizontal or the Chinese concept of vertical. It isn’t just the Sanskrit Hindu definition of meaninglessness. It is beyond human understanding. Time knows us; we don’t know time.
Yes, God exists outside of time.
Psalm 90:2
Before the mountains were born, before you gave birth to the earth and the world, from eternity to eternity, You are God.
right, so they X you and us OUT. and in bring less aware toys.
Musk found the US gummint gravy train with his rockets. Rocket Man ! He can use the billions $ for a few years to accomplish some great stuff. Then in a few years jump on the new gummint gravy train, new and improved.
Maybe Musk is rethinking transhumanism. He now seems to have a soft spot for preserving the human soul. Perhaps he is hedging his bets?
And why is the ENEmedia so anxious to serve these people up to us on a silver platter? Real MAGA people aren’t given any favorable exposure. No quarter.
So why are we even permitted to see and hear the likes of Vivek and Musk, if they’re really so MAGA? Since when does the ENEmedia ever cover MAGA favorably?
Oh yes, I remember now. It all began with that meatball. Cue suspicious cat..
Well, unless you….or someone you do trust is running for President and is in real time fighting and saying he will defeat what we are up against…..name someone. Who is building a coalition of WE THE PEOPLE to fight this beast we are up against? Do you have better ideas? Would you see and know what you do if it were not for the Trump years as President? Who first called out the media as lying and fake? Who….are THEY after and afraid of. You don’t have to sell your soul here, but we do need to save the soul of our Republic. And only WE THE PEOPLE can do that. And one man is leading THAT against what we have. You can’t just sit on the fence! Research, dig, get the information you need to be firm in your beliefs and stands….and then get off the fence and get behind what needs to be done! Even to do what Sundance does….bring us some of the most truthful information that we can still get our minds into….he had to get off the fence and decide that he was going to do this, get behind this and stick with this no matter the attacks or controversy against him….and he is firm!
One must understand that we are in a war! And in a war…..there are many little battles, we won’t win them all…..but we do need to win the war. Right now….that war is all about….information. Which is why THEY are trying to control it! Trump and team is building a coalition of WE THE PEOPLE…..and he wants to give us the power WE need to eliminate the system and those who use it against us, and that will be done through our vote….which they fully intend to count and be legitimate! I know….THEY will cheat! We know that too! And so does Trump and Team…..you do not go to war….even go into a smaller battle in the war….without a plan! There is a plan! And they have been preparing for this for a very long time. Look through what is presented for us to see…..thats an illusion. Truth lies behind that!
Thanks. I hope you the best.
I’ve been here since 2014/2015 (maybe even 2013). Sundance gives great, unemotional, synopsis of most things. The one thing I don’t think he’s, or anyone for that matter, narrowed down is the ultimate “who”.
Yes, the “deep state” does this, the Uniparty does that, but who is at the top?
Is it a specific person? A specific group? Or is it just that loony ideology has achieved critical mass – where each person/group is acting on their own premise of what is “perfect” behavior but there is no controlling entity calling the shots?
Identifying the cancer, the core root, is the only way to stop the insanity.
“They” can’t stop MAGA by removing Trump. MAGA is just a catchy, simple phrase that’s easy to identify. MAGA represents the core political belief that is rooted in the Founding.
The difference between MAGA and the Uniparty/deepstate/“them” is that MAGA believes in individual freedom and wouldn’t abuse the power of office to dictate behavior. We know the opposite is true: use of the FBI, CIA, DOJ, IRS, etc. to inflict pain on your opposition in order to gain control.
Given that MAGA won’t abuse its power of office, how do we cut out the cancer??
The one I like to do when people want to play by the book, is strictly adhere to the book (aka rules) knowing that the other person is just cherry picking convenient rules favorable to them and most likely has not read all the rules nor knows what rules can unravel their position. It’s always been my belief that state and local elections, especially off-cycle (lower turnout) ones, are where we can make significant gains in restoring “normal” order. There should be NO fractional vote totals – 1 person 1 vote, not ballots. The voting system must be cleaned up as there is fraud on both sides. Also, not everyone cares to vote and they shouldn’t. The Dems are good at turnout (or at least the appearance of) in off cycle elections. MAGA needs to match that and more in order to restore our nation.
Satan’s dominion exists only in the decaying bodies of human flesh. Soul is one thing. Flesh is another. Satan laid it all on the line for Christ-man Jesus.
Jesus turned him down, flat. The power behind these corrupt earthly dominions is Satan.
LUKE 4:5-8 Again, Satan took him up into an exceeding high mountain and showed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. And Satan said unto him, All this power and glory will I give to you, for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will, I give it. If you therefore will worship me, all shall be thine. And Jesus answered and said, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
That “moment of time” is a spiritual pinnacle inaccessible to ordinary mortals. Don’t be bamboozled by the confusion of man-made theology, philosophy, religion and politics.
Yes and Satan has now been tossed from heaven, if the end of time is near, and roams the earth. Revelation 12:12
But woe to the earth and the sea,
because the devil has gone down to you!
He is filled with fury,
because he knows that his time is short.”
Fortunately Jesus keeps him tethered. All authority has been given to the Son from governments to galaxies! Matthew 28:18. It’s the only thing that comforts me with 18 grandchildren.
Eric C.
Much of what you say has value,…especially about how it is relatively easy to make major inroads with off cycle and local elections.
Some of those leftist loon City Councils won election with only 10% of eligible voters participating!
This is also how MAGA can and have ousted RINOS in control positions within the R party, as they are also elected positions.
Get MAGA organised, and we CAN use superior #’s to win elections.
And yes, getting a copy of the R parties ‘by-laws’ and then making the RINO Bastards play by the rules is also essential.
As to your question, essentially “WHO is the man behind the curtain” the best explanation I have read is in “The Great taking” which you can find by searching it.
I THINK behind WEF, behind the CCP, behind the Muhlahs are a small group of financiers who are “holding the paper” ,….ALL the paper, basically they hold the mortgage on the whole world, and everything thats in it, and they are getting ready to take possesion for non-payment.
A person with a perfect mind is not guaranteed to save his soul. Ever since the macedonian call to Paul, ideas are so sacred in the West. Paul and Barnabas.
WHY IS IT A THOUGHT WORLD/ ALWAYS your intellect prevalent in the Northern Hemisphere, East and West? That’s my opinion on what racism is. Notice Jesus, Buddha and Mohammed came nearer the center of the Earth, but people moved north (Europe, Russia, China, Japan, North America, Iran, Afghanistan) and changed the meaning of God. People associate cold climate with INTELLIGENCE>it’s dumb. Cold climate people think cyclically. political, business, news, flu, historical, washing machine, combustion CYCLES. GOD MANIPULATED their mind by forcing them to live where the sun moves south and north, due to EARTH’S MAGNETISM, ( in the winter, HE casts longer shadows from the Southern Sun on them). If we all lived in the South Pole, or Ecuador, Equatorial Guinea, or Singapore, where the parallel is zero, there are no season
Don’t predict on cycles
Voice of Reason and sanity
Grain of salt for SD. Boulders of salt for everyone else.
Same for before the Trayvon days. Cheers. These days, I can barely have trust in myself. So I get it. I see Trump in that…lets say he is being used as an op by the (insert your preferred evil entity)? Okay. Still is more likely than any other candidate to buy us more time to prepare for what is to come, and maybe…just maybe…he is going to live up to the hopes in the 2nd term(I confess to loving his first term more than ANY other President the last half century). I fear there are deeper controls on our systems than the Deep State…and that is…who controls the Deep State. I am not 100% certain of that answer, the tentacles of true power in the world run deeper than I can fathom, but the intel agencies of the world are compromised. Truly among public figures, Trump is the best hope, best option, but that doesn’t mean I will be surprised if he is also ultimately not good. It is what it is.
there is but one way from our dilemma. hope is a distraction. the tree of liberty must be watered. the sooner we all acknowlege this, the less of us will be wasted in restoring a natural human ecology.
You are right. Our founders did not peddle hope. People like Obama peddle hope. Our founders resigned themselves that they would be hanged for their actions and then prayed to God for victory. They knew what had to be done and then they did it. In doing so, they left to us the greatest lesson. …A template for defeating tyranny.
You are fighting the last war. Always a mistake.
This is an information war, and for your information, we are currently winning.
If you can get some critical mass of the citizenry to understand the depths of the efforts to subjugate them, perhaps a new battle plan will turn this into a bloodless Revolution. But, between the genetic level necessity of the Rothschilds, Rockefellers et al to subjugate humanity and the dulling effects of apathy to ignore the signs, I personally doubt that possibility. I hope I am wrong.
I would say ultimately it is a war for “hearts and minds” as isn’t that what “Public Opinion” IS?
And, are not virtually ALL of our enemies resources expended in efforts to effect PUBLIC OPINION?
For instance, we KNOW these Court cases against PDJT are not to bankrupt him and force capitulation, because unlike other targets of lawfare, he has the resources to fight “as long as it takes”.
And, we know LEGALLY the cases will NOT ultimately prevail, as they have no legal basis, no merit and so WILL be overtuned on appeal.
The ONLY purpose for these indictments is to provide material for the MSM for HEADLINES, i.e. to MANIPULATE PUBLIC OPINION.
That has been their go to tactic since the escalator ride, and they have consistently lost territory, in this WAR of Public Opinion.
DJT’ support bigger after accepting the nomination, than after announcing his candidacy, bigger after inaugeration than after accepting nomination, bigger after leaving office, than after entering, bigger after announcing 2024 run, than after leaving office in 2020, and his support is actually far larger after the indictments, than when he announced.
IF you agree the territory WE are fighting over is Public Opinion, its hard to make the argument that WE aren’t WINNING.
IF you disagree that the WAR we are fighting is for “hearts and minds” i.e. Public Opinion, that propose an alternative view.
i dont think you are winning.
I think you are raising you head up and making you voice louder – and attention is going to be paid to that with domination.
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the chances of the people uniting together is less than 100%; and without that we got lower chances to fight a centralized machine RIGHT HERE ON TOP OF US ALL around us.
– they dont have to send any ships. or worry about logisitics. they already control how you eat (you access to money).
we are fools if we think no effort in organizing is going to end in anything but a loss.
i dont need to negative of positive think. just wanna keep forcing the rallies everywhere every weekend up to the election like a war drum, while asking all sides to join. thats creating MOBS like Alinsky – and having them ready to move, a mob of individuals is a SUPER HERO cause its almost the opposite of both definitions.
The Hope Peddlers…perfect!
Sounds kinda glowy to me.
If we moved the tree of liberty inside a shelter, a big tent, less frequent watering needs to be done. in other words, less words my friend just like your concise post. People do acknowledge your point, they have less assurance of what they believe like me. But they believe. 1 John 5:13-15
No need to die!
Oh I am fully and well aware. Right now its a race of preparations to hopefully get out of the country or if here then ready before AI drones are policing us overhead with the ability to shoot anyone not in compliance. 2A won’t help us then. You won’t be able to leave your home with it. They not need our country. They all have golden parachutes in the NWO or at least so they think.
I don’t think that time is far off at all. Mass immigration is to continue tue service level jobs once the native populace is killed off, imprisoned, or controlled. So if they have turned the spigot up to full force and distributing them across the country, the great replacement finale is upon us shortly I fear.
The problem we have? Lone wolves rot in prison and accomplish nothing. Organized protesters(J6) rot in prison and accomplish nothing. I do not advocate anyone do anything like violence but only to prepare and to pray.
When they have turned the screws enough that the people…not segments of the people…but all of the people in every city simultaneously unite to overthrow those who are so close to full and permanent enslavement of us…then and only then will such a stand work. There are no uncompromised communications networks. So nothing can be organized without being falsely declared a terrorist in the coming camps. So then now is not the time. Now is the time to prepare, hearts, bodies, souls, families for the gathering storm. No idea how that storm plays out. But that tree will have lots of watering then one way or the other. So I live each day to the fullest. Grateful for every moment none of which I deserve.
I think he means that the real value of Twitter is in training (and informing in real time) Musk’s AI. This may eventually dwarf Twitter. Scott Adams recently said some interesting stuff about this on his coffee podcast.
Musk has been developing AI for years via Tesla. He was also one of the original donors to Open AI, back when it was a charitable endeavor. He had a falling out with another AI bigwig (Sam Altman I think, but not sure that’s right) about whether AI should supplant Homo sapiens. (The other guy called him a “speciesist”, and he said, okay, guess I’m a speciesist.) After that, he seems to have accelerated his efforts to perfect his own AI models.
We are in an era of warring AI princes.
AI will never be sentient.
It will always just be an extension of it’s creators.
But Lucifer, the prince of darkness, IS sentient as he prowls the earth seeking the ruin of souls. Both AI and mRNA are tools to this end.
The devil worshippers believe they’ve made a deal with Lucifer that delivers humanity into darkness in exchange for their own immortality. This “deal” is their grand delusion.
What those who worship the beast fail to realize, is that Lucifer hates ALL of us, especially those so easily corruptible. The rest he dismisses as weak and inferior.
Lucifer’s contempt for humanity is the reason why God cast him out of heaven in the first place. I would imagine that Lucifer is anxious to punish those whom he faults with stealing his place in heaven.
God chose humanity over him.
In the end times, as we are tested in the flesh, those who remain *faithful* to God will find our eternal reward in heaven. The greedy and delusional, in their final separation from God, are left to dwell within the realm of Lucifer, where they will suffer his rage for all eternity.
I hope not.
However, it will probably seem so.
We attribute human characteristics to animals and even objects. How much more likely are we to imagine humanity in something we chat with and confide in?
I fully expect some sort of idiotic AI rights movement within my lifetime.
So greenies and all the nature lovers and liberals will fight for AI’s right to live and kill humans in mass. New life form that deserves life or should it be another botched abortion.
We have all these massive giants who are potentially danger lethal possibly, its not normal to not question, “judge” their motives, that’s healthy. It’s when the pitchforks come out for an accused witch that it becomes insane.
So many possibilities, endless and I go back to only one constant, a given outcome proven over time, God and putting all your eggs in his basket.
You take the uneducated mind and introduce God and he flourishes in his principles, looks intently for Gods answers not mans and he is blessed.
I imagine that a man like Elon, or Trump, have a problem with taking a knee to God. Power corrupts. It would be a very strong man who resisted. A man brought up in the environment of Gods guidance would find temptations. AI is being born into a world I don’t recognize anymore, does it have the ability to do “good” to the extent of all involved? For our future? The potential is there but also harm, great harm.
Thank you for this response. I think you are right. Makes sense now.
means – connect an AI to it to run through its programming to add MORE OPTIONS to make the DECISIONS of it broader. then tailor it…
DONT LET them store the DATA then you got NO AI TO TRAIN
So produce the receipts. Musk has already indicated he’ll let X fail before he’ll be blackmailed into taking money from advertisers. I believe he can afford to let X fail and do a start up with new incarnation Y. “The training data for the AI loan based on the Twitter fire hose is sufficient value to pay /000,000 dollars a year loss” is no receipt. It’s a claim or an opinion at best and sound and fury at worst.
Elon isn’t dumb. If he’s willing to let X fail then he has an exit strategy. Not sure what form that will take, it could be declaring bankruptcy or he might be ready to simply take the L and walk away.
OR, perhaps Elon knows the Deep State can’t afford to let X fail, and by allowing it fall he will force them to step in and save it.
I don’t think Elon is in X to make money. Anything he makes there is a bonus. I think he has another plan for it. Most likely the proprietary value .
Think about all the businesses he is in, then think about how they all fit together.
X is just one piece of the overall puzzle. I don’t claim to understand Elon, but to understand, you need to begin to think like him.
On the value of a large data set:
Some digital assets that are not encumbered by copyrights have economic value. Ex: first hand video or photos from 9-11, even if shot from a low quality device. Fleeting value, but value nonetheless.
Other digital assets such as a customer list of buyers have economic value. If you own the list and have products or services for sale, the customer list, a digital asset, helps to facilitate more sales, and thus the customer list of buyers has economic value. Lists of actual spenders have much higher value than lists of potential spenders.
At some level, X represents a zeitgeist of present times, and the mining of historical X / Twitter data will have value to researchers, and the Library of Congress decided long ago to archive Twitter as an asset of their portfolio. Low value, but perhaps a validation of the value of the digital asset.
Fast forward to Machine Learning, the first step in an AI process. When the data set is too localized, Machine Learning will be skewed toward what has been ingested, in this case data of limited usefulness.
Consider polling data as an example. Perform analysis and machine learning on each local election precinct, and you *might* be touching into economically valuable decisions, such as whether President Trump should bother to spend money campaigning in California. Now the value is considerable: someone has accurate California data, and another person does not have accurate California data. Let’s not ascribe motives, merely a distinction of accurate vs not accurate. It’s not difficult to see that someone would pay more for accurate data, maybe a lot more. You see this in the investment industry, where the most recent “hot hand” – a person who has recently delivered significant investment results, is able to gather 10x or more new assets when competing at that point in time.
This accurate vs not accurate decision fulcrum is why Google was able to take away so much advertising from traditional media, especially print media. Print media’s data set was of lower value than Google’s data set. The advertising $ flowed to Google and will never return. Pre-knowledge that this was a plausible scenario might have led print media in less self-destructive directions, *maybe*.
A recent postulation is that what Google actually does well is to locate people who are ready to spend, and then Google is able to insert “relevant” ads, perhaps multiple ads, and that facilitates a sale to the advertiser whose ad viewer was going to buy anyway. Better that the buyer purchase from me, rather than the competition. That’s worth a lot of money for high ticket price items where the buyer has control of who they do business with, such as when signing for a mortgage or buying a new car, because the buyer is primed to buy now, not later. That is huge value to the advertiser, and the value is derived from profiling and sifting, using accurate data.
The more $ that hinges on an economically significant decision, the greater the need for accurate information, and the more willing the buyer of the information is to “pay up.” This continues to extrapolate in various directions, some of which are useful, some not useful. Machine Learning can help to sort out where the data has value and where the data does not have value.
These are entirely new economic concepts that were never taught in colleges until recent times, so the number of people “in the know” about where the economic value exists is inherently fewer than the number of people who are steeped with traditional thinking. Big Data is a great topic for young people to study, and it all begins with a solid understanding of the core math behind the above. Big Tech proved the value of data for me, and though I don’t like tyranny, one must accept that the trillion dollar market caps of Big Tech reflect real-world deployments of capital to own the equity of companies with valuable, proprietary data.
Is he writing it all off ?
https://appen.com/solutions/training-data/
Why is it Important?
Training data is labeled data used to teach AI models or machine learning algorithms to make proper decisions.
For example, if you are trying to build a model for a self-driving car, the training data will include images and videos labeled to identify cars vs street signs vs people. If you are creating a customer service chatbot, the data may be all the different ways to ask “what is my account balance?” both in text and audio, which is then translated to different languages.
Training data is paramount to the success of any AI model or project. Think of it as garbage in, garbage out. If you train a model with poor-quality data, then how can you expect it to perform? You can’t and it won’t.
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Can you translate how this magically creates massive cash flow NOW to pay the bills and debt down to avoid insolvency?
I think you are on track, but think even bigger.
Meh. Even when I was in graduate school, we were constantly trying to value information based upon its predictive value and the timing of having it.
Good google advertisers figured out years and years ago how tire kickers vs buyers shop. Those running the ad campaigns on there do that, rather than google.
Yet, I’m guessing you think Musk actually launched a Tesla into orbit?
“It looks so fake. That’s how we know it’s real.”
~~Elon Musk
If that was the case, there would be sales of data in his quarterly numbers showing a profit. Twitter never made a profit so your theory is false. Now Twitter is loaded with debt making it even more difficult to ever make money.
We don’t see any reports because it’s a private concern. Your data link please?
The data link of Twitter/X not making money is in multiple CTH posts by Sundance.
It does not generate enough revenue to cover its expenses.
In the last reported quarter, social network X/Twitter had a net loss of 270 million U.S. dollars, down from a net income of 513 million U.S. dollars in the first quarter of 2022.Sep 25, 2023 The Deal to take Twitter private added 1.2 Billion of Interest Payments per year and 13 Billion of Debt. It does not and never will make money.
It $513 million of net income in q1 2022 sounds profitable. Maybe you missed that while pasting it.
Elon uses twitter losses as a TAX shelter..It used to be the very rich bought Pro sports franchises for losses…. and still do but the values get inflated and are great investments.. long term**The rich dont sell stocks they borrow against them as tax free loans…Capital losses are 100% deductible from capital gains $ per $ . Just my educated opinion.
Nonsense. The losses are inside the company X. X would have to be a subchapter S corp to pass those losses to him personally.
Elon Musk’s X Is Worth Less Than Half of Price He Paid for …
Yahoo Finance
Hold up. You’re saying the only means of Musk recognizing a loss here is via sub s election?
Link?
Perhaps you don’t get it!
Value does not equal cash flow.
And NO business can continue to take losses and remain solvent.
Elementary business fact!
Yes they can as shelter from other business income… In some respects I see Musk as a patriot for free speech he sees the unjust… Biased politics the division of the voters pick a side MSM is owned by the Leftards .. I find myself despising Leftards but it’s only 25% that are truly nuts ……If 25% of the 75% dont vote or votes Trump we win..
Musk will use twitter in a way we haven’t even thought of will he make a profit who knows but he can afford to wait in my opinion…
If 25% of the 75% don’t vote, the deep state will have to put the cheating pedal to the metal. Let’s hope the numbers for Trump are too overwhelming to overcome. Then again, the evildoers aren’t concerned in the least with hiding what they’re doing, so they may just defeat Trump by fiat.
You cannot comingle funds from a publicly traded company to pay off debts of a private company.
Illegal.
Not what I am saying you can offset cap gains from cap losses though.
Offseting profit with big losses is a ridiculous strategy. Having all your operations make money is a the only goal. Being comfortable with big losses is as practical as Modern Monetary Theory.
Yes. Wealthy just losing to offset taxes is crazy talk. You lose at 100% of loss.
But you can hypothecate those shares or borrow against them to pay bills.
you can match X losses against other gains and eliminate the tax. That is not comingling funds.
Invest much?
It can if the billionaire owner subsidizes the losses.
Unless the stock price goes up and investors will invest. Silly Valley has lived in that for years now.
Elon is cabal- controlled opposition
Your link?
if a link is your evidence – it can be made up, the benefit of the internet. making us eye witnesses to made up data.
I am surprised at how much you don’t know about Musk’s financial situation. His wealth is based on his ownership of shares in Tesla. Tesla is an electric car company that has been financed by American Taxpayers and the Tesla Fan Boi in the Stock Market. Trump gets into office and pulls liberal climate change hoaxes such as green energy incentives, Musk is hosed. 100 percent.
And the same with SpaceX, the Boring Company, Starlink and Neuralink.
All government funded or financed.
He’s a paper tiger.
Exactly.
Always has been.
he raped the GOV. and can pull the carpet out from underneath. thats always been what i thought these Tech guys plans are…
creating Company Countries for local workers to live and prosper. via paid in crypto and living there, eating there, safe there, etc..
Would agree, but he’s stacked. Starlink is a real business, as is Tesla. They are definitely hugely govt subsidized, but many technology plays were.
Musk also has a rocket business.
Tesla has proper products that it sells. Yes, it is supported by government incentives to people who buy electric cars. But no, it is not a fraud like Solyndra getting politicians to guarantee loans and then defaulting. Or some AL Gore indulgence selling fraud, offering credits to permit energy use.
SpaceX is more dependent on government. But private companies do buy their service.
Musk got his wealth through offloading startups. A city directory, some financial startup that became part of Paypal. He keeps starting more and building them up.
And Musk wasn’t hosed by 45, so why should he be hosed when 45 comes back as 47? Musk is at much greater risk of being hosed by 46. They have already started government based lawfare against his companies.
Sorry, but your knowledge of Musk is little to none. Elon Musk has made billions off the backs of American Taxpayers for Tesla. As of today he is still taking incentives and tax breaks from the Biden/Obama Administration and still list the sale of carbon credits on Telsa’s financials.
SpaceX is totally dependent on government contracts and subsidies.
Musk’s wealth from Paypal was all blown on Tesla – all $165 million of it. After Musk forced himself as CEO of Telsa – HE IS NOT A FOUNDER AS HE SO PROCLAIMS TO THE WORLD – he almost bankrupted it in 2008 – LOSING ALL THE MONEY HE GAINED FROM THE SALE OF PAYAL AND OTHER INCOME. He then used the application that Martin Eberhard had files with the US Government to get a load for financing “GREEN CARS” – Obama’s administration gladly gave it to him.
Musk voted for Joe Biden and Barack HUSSEIN Obama. He would not vote for TRUMP because Trump, like sane people like me know that Climate Change, Green Energy and EV’s area all hoaxes of the left. Musk is at no risk of being hosed by Obama/Biden as THEY SUPPORT HIS STOOOOOOOOOPID Green energy EV’s. Trump has said numerous times that if re-elected he will stomp on all Green Energy B S. Musk will never support or vote for Trump.
if he has actual equipment and things built from taking the GOV money,, then none of this matters.
collapse a country start a new smaller one in the old wasteland. live there, eat there, paid in cyrpto like Chucky Cheese.
You should provide a full proof of your position. As is said elsewhere provide the sauce.
He has not proof – it is all based on feelings.
if the country collapses, does he lose ownership value or access to the companies he is with?
if so, absolutely nothing matters. collapse the country and move on, the gov is already dependent on you for everything.
WHO is buying it…
and what part of TOS allows this theft of our effects – 4thamendment.
an anoynmous CLICK OF ACCEPT means shit.
On the surface, Musk’s decision looks to be a financial positive for all parties involved.
I can’t imagine how you could possibly conclude that.
Hopium?
Musk is 10 steps ahead X has huge following he will use X as a stepping stone a future goldmine time will tell ….Until then he can wait he has the $$$$…
I’m not even sure how Jones lost the Sandy Hook trial. Seems like free speech to me. If someone knows, comment below.
How did so many J6 defendants get railroaded, how did PDJT have Grand juries indict him, how did Chauvin get convicted?
There is no Justice coming from the Courts, not even any attempt at fairness.
and were all just still sitting around. . . . . . . by the time we’re ready to use physical force to retaliate as a whole, it will be exactly what they want us to do.
You hit the nail on the head 100000000% They want a civil war…
This.
He was revealing some very uncomfortable truths for some people. They replied by overwhelming him with lawsuits guided by corrupt prosecutors and corrupt judges. Deep State remains heavily invested in false flag ops to continue their 5th Gen warfare on Americans.
But they are dumb as a rock all they did was make TRUMP a Martyr which makes him stronger we see him as the answer to the deep state….
What if Trump is controlled opposition? I’m not saying he is, but wouldn’t that be ingenious?
If he was he would be in WH right now.
This is my biggest fear. I figure he is our best shot. If he turns out to be a traitor I believe the wheels will come off the bus within 30 days.
His entire life not just his presidency is an example of his love for America. I have no fear about where he stands.
A life lived in constant fear, cynicism, and suspicion is a miserable existence indeed.
But take heart, “For God did not give us a spirit of timidity or cowardice or fear, but [He has given us a spirit] of power and of love and of sound judgment and personal discipline [abilities that result in a calm, well-balanced mind and self-control].”
-2 Tim 1:6-7 (AMP)
Just drop that idea. Has zero merit. President Trump is exactly who he appears to be – he is genuine, compassionate about America, and brutally honest (which is what makes many people with “delicate sensitivities” uncomfortable).
Yes he has an ego and is sometimes brash – but HAVE YOU EVER PERSONALLY MET ANYONE RAISED IN QUEENS, NYC WHO ISN’T??? I haven’t, and I came to love those people many decades ago, having met and known several. I came to understand their bravado and sometimes boastful nature when they’re proud of their accomplishments. It’s very competitive up there; kids either learned to stand up for themselves or get squashed.
From my observations and the observations of others whom I’ve read, the “Deep State” and its minions and captured followers are generally not intellectually primed to see Truth nor do they have the character to stand up for Truth and confront corrupt entities who subvert Truth.
They tend to use the same tools and tricks they’ve used for decades if not centuries to undermine honest people and capture an unfair share of other’s wealth for themselves. They are guided by evil and while they can be shrewd and crafty, they are often NOT smart and do not change tactics even when those tactics fail.
Neither the case in Texas or the case in Connecticut were ever decided on the merits. In both cases the presiding judge declared Jones guilty before any evidence was presented in court. Never, ever forget that.
In CT it was for failing to comply with disclosure request, for material Jones didnt even have access to, because it was linked to an internet account that was suspended.
In both cases calling what Jones was subjected to a “trial” is a gross misuse of the word. Viva Frei has a clip of Robert Barnes ranting about these show trials, you should go find it.
Judge declaring the defendant guilty, before the case has even started,…GEE where have I heard THAT before?
PDJT in NY, the Gen Flynn case (essentially) the J6 defendants,…
Why don’t you provide the link?
If you’re so interested, do your own research.
He lost it when he admitted he knew the kids died. End of discussion,
Discussion ends here, when we decide it ends.
Alex Jones did nothing wrong. He was sued for being right.
BINGO!!!!
B.S.
And the MSM took it from there!!!
One reason is that people who should serve on juries look for ways to get out of it, leaving panels full of clueless people and those with ideological agendas.
There’s this thing called jury nullification …we should use it more often.
Next time you are called to jury duty, think, if you were the defense, would you want someone like you on your jury?
Alex Jones and his attorneys were not allowed to mount a defense. The judge did not allow them to object to anything. Jones had video of him discussing that Sandy Hook in fact did happen. He said initially he was questioning some aspects of things that just did not make sense, however, after further investigation he did not believe it was a hoax. He discussed that on two different shows just trying to set the record straight. Neither show was admissible to the courts in the judges opinion.
The judge made a summary judgment of guilt – there was no trail. What we saw as a trial was only the determination of how much money Alex Jones was going to pay the ‘victims’.
Same thing with the NY trial against the Trump Organization – again, the judge declared the Trump Organization without any trial whatsoever; what we are seeing now is simply the phase where the judge will decide who gets the assets of the Trump Organization, because that is what is going on – stripping the entire organization of all of its assets and giving them to whomever the judge deems worthy.
How do people not get that? There has never been a trial to determine guilt or innocence; both these judges, using certain statutes in the laws, have the power to single-handedly declare a party guilty without a trial.
He lost a mockery of a civil trial about hurting feelings with his words. Unfathomably counter to anything our founders believed regarding freedoms.
Everybody has a price. Some more then others…Staged BS
Its Still A Magic Coffee Shop Jack!
^^^^^^
There it is!
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/08/20/the-darndest-thing-alex-jones-endorses-ron-desantis/
☝🏻Here’s the actual link.
That makes so much sense, Sundance.
As we know Elon was never actually a free speech absolutist, this poll bs on the heels of Tucker’s interview with Alex Jones was very suspicious to me.
Alex himself said as much during the interview; that with as many people whom irrationally hate him, the advertisers would flee if Elon reinstated Alex to Twitter/X.
I’m maxed out on speculating as to what Elon is doing, and what color hat he wears, or what the I/C is doing, now that Elon bought their manipulation tool.
I’m not ON “X” never HAVE been on it and have no intention to subscribe.
Nor do I. Never signed up for Twitter.
I do however, read our beloved Sundance’s tweets on Nitter.net.
I am on twitter I like its a way to get CTH GATEWAY PUNDIT REVOLVER and ZERO HEGDE news articles to more people which is a good thing I repost all the time the more that see the truth or the other side is good remember MSM is owned by leftards…..AL GORE we must shut down Alt media websites just yesterday on Zero Hedge…
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/al-gore-warns-people-having-access-non-mainstream-information-threatens-democracy read it scary
Al Gore says that people having access to information outside of mainstream media sources is a threat to “democracy” and that social media algorithms “ought to be banned.” a reason to join X and spread the word about CTH and other sites My opinion FWIW
Elander & the News
@ElanderNews
AL GORE – At COP28.
Listen carefully. He says Democracy is under threat because citizens are no longer all getting the same print news (propaganda)
Algorithms (that governments can’t control) are threatening democracy.
It’s like he thinks we are stupid or insane … oh
Tucker, who just set up a business on X, with help from Musk, just happens to interview Jones, rehabilitating the man on X, which is immediately followed by Musk asking the public to vote on bringing Jones back to X, and Jones is brought back to X.
I can see that all just randomly happening, with Musk swaying in the wind.
But I can also see this as a deliberate response in Musk’s war with media matters and those organizing Boycotts of X.
If the latter, Tucker has just shown that he has obligated himself to Musk, the way he used to be obligated to Murdoch.
Just yesterday on Tucker’s X account, he led with an appeal to go to TuckerCarlson.com and ‘join us’ as his work over the past 7 or 8 months, some in secret, will have found itself there. It will be launching soon.
*Is this a move to separate himself from X censorship or simply a means to make money communicating as he does so well?
Can’t see a comparison between Tucker staying on Twit X and working for Fox. IMO Tucker can go to any platform and succeed at this point in time.
If X is threatened by a money stream coming from deep state involvement, woke advertisers, and by leftist boycotts wouldn’t it make sense for Musk to encourage countervailing revenue streams that also strengthen the viewpoint balance of the X platform? Tucker is not only a great conservative communicator, he enhances Musk’s revenue stream by drawing viewers (and non-woke advertisers). I’m sure the return of Alex Jones will provide the same effect. Woke corporations can only play the Leave In A Huff card once, and ultimately the void will be filled by those who actually love free speech. In the meantime Elon may have decided to weather the financial losses while he recreates a cash flow model that is more resilient and thrives in a true open dialogue model. He still owns the biggest universally recognized and used social interaction platform on the planet.
Every time Musk takes one of his little pols for someone to be on X he is mocking free speech with group control and approval of who may have a voice.
Why can’t X just hawk stuff like jones does?
Put Jones on X like Tucker.
Like Devin Nunes and “Patriot Wine”?🍷
It costs money to travel to St. Petersburg via Istanbul, you know.
Airfare, hotel reservations, etc.
I was in Istanbul late Sept Madrid Athens London.. They love Trump and what he stands for ……
Do you write about your trip elsewhere?
If so please provide link.
Thank you!
Jones goes on X and that increases cash flow how?
Elon’s workaround is his invitation for Community Notes to henpeck Jones. So I’m sure there will Notes on every post. Maybe that’s good for Alex to keep him in the lines a bit… he’s known to make some wild assertions.
The thing with Community Notes is – you can vote them “Helpful” or Not Helpful” each time. So people cannot just post BS lies in a community note and expect it will simply hurt AJ.
They’re only wild if you don’t read the sourced documents.
Musk just sent out two tweets claiming the Community Notes on Jones were
Put there by a state actor, and that the operation was, in effect, a honeypot trap that worked.
Interesting.
he’s known to make some wild assertions.
Considering what I have seen in my mere 71 yrs how does one discern wild from reality?
Something doesn’t smell right about anything right now. Colleges are getting canceled, Carlson and Musk are replatforming the canceled. It seems to me that there’s this weird coordinated shift in the air allowing the censored to have their day, but I smell a rat. Once bitten twice shy as Great White would sing. Meanwhile, our borders are being invaded and Congress is doing nothing on that or any other front.
I agree things are very confusing right now.
Thats whats supposed to happen, during this “5th gen warfare” and I suspect we are also seeing counter efforts TO the 5th gen warfare, as well.
Makes it difficult to discern whats what and who’s who.
Strap in and hold on, its about to get REALLY WILD and hard to predict now, when the ride will be over, or how everything will turn out!
Spot on Dutch.
Same as when I see NBC interviewing a black Trump supporter about how President Trump won that
Last debate. It’s like NBC did wut?
Only computes if their script writers got switched out for white hats.
keeping us as spectators to our own demise. lots of bad, then a little bit of good to keep you from getting up off your lawn chair…..wait it out, “maybe I won’t have to put my life on the line….” sorry. too many paralyzed and immobile. we need to stay spread out, leaderless, yet all strike at once. and strike soon.
I nominate you to try to have a go at Chuckie. You first, and may the odds be ever in your favor.
/sarc
His Roysl Majoresty won’t mind. Very much anyways.
They are wanting to make everything electric why not the BORDER FENCE !!!
Maybe AJ should also join Rumble just in case Twitter doesn’t work out in the long run.
“You can make an argument that Twitter is being guided into a controlled crash. If that were the operational intent, nothing currently being done would be done differently.”
My sentiments, exactly. I can’t help but get this feeling that the controlled crash will happen just in time to deny conservative access to this platform. Timing of the crash will be crucial. Close enough to the 2024 election to have the most impact, but not so soon as to provide time for a massive transition over to a platform like Truth Social. Loosing Twitter/X won’t impact the Dem. party, as they already have multiple backups in the form of the “legacy” alphabet news outlets they control.
on the plus side… what more really needs to be said on “social media” that we don’t all already know?
Musk has been up to his eyeballs in government subsidies in one form or another for decades. The DS would start there if they wanted to hurt him.
I’m more inclined to think Musk bought Twitter to pay off the stockholders before a controlled crash. The DS was exposed and was forced to close shop which meant Twitter was doomed.
I don’t know, but if I had to bet, I would bet BlackRock (WEF), Vanguard, State Street, et al, owned most of the shares.
Also, consider the seemingly poor due diligence by Musk and others in the $42 billion deal. I find it hard to believe sophisticated lenders would joined the deal without some assurances.
He would have saved money by going to court.
It’s always about the money and BlackRock, in positions of power in the criminal Biden regime, and others weren’t taking a haircut.
Bin Talal Al Walid had 40 percent before Blackwater gave him a ride by his feet.
Who owns that 40 percent now?
Social media is neither free-market or free-speech. As designed, financed and implemented they can be neither.
“Free apps” are not free. The likes of Twitter and Facebook are a Deepstate/BigTech monopolistic system for surveillance, propaganda and censorship aligned with the globalist agendas.
Imagine if cellphone companies could monitor, disconnect and censor your phone calls Imagine they could decide what you could say to whom about what topics. Then imagine if your were on AT&T, you could only connect to other AT&T phones. Imagine then if you decided to move to Verizon you could not bring your contacts, voicemail or phone number over, and would never then be able to call anyone on AT&T.
Until the industry decides to build open interchange of messages/notifications across apps, and, allow users to own, control and move their own content, they will always be islands of controlled speech.
Same for search. When I search a political topic, the only results I get are sites that I would never go to for information. It seems more and more that search should be called “presentation of information that you are allowed to view”.
Search “uncensored search engines” and try several.
Beware it is addicting!
IMO this is a perspective that, at least, ought to be considered…
{ David Icke: Elon Musk Is The New ‘Mainstream Alternative Media God’ }
“… “Of course, Alex Jones is back on Twitter/X. As I have been writing here, the ‘poll’ and waiting for God Elon’s pronouncement has all been a GAME to hijack your perception and that of the Mainstream Alternative Media (MAM),” Icke wrote:
…
Where is the question of how someone can be officially the richest man in the world while opposing the Cult without whose support his business empire would collapse in a day?
…
In Sept. 2022, the University of California Davis reportedly(linked) obtained 371 photos related to the animals killed during Neuralink’s experiments to implant brain chips.
… reporter Greg Reese has exposed(linked) Musk’s rise to becoming a multi-billionaire and his plans to put computer chips in human brains “so that we can merge with artificial intelligence.” (video)”
https://redpilluniversity.org/new-establishment-media-will-pretend-to-be-anti-establishment/
We are living in times of great deception, see Matthew chapter 24.
I remembered reading that but I failed to bookmark it – THANK YOU for adding it here! This is absolutely my position also; pervasive deception from every direction.
Thnak you also for the scripture reference – always the most relevant & perfect perspective.
When one looks at the goals Musk is pursuing with his companies, they tend to be well aligned with WEF nonsense, just presented in a way that seems more beneficial to humanity.
That is an alignment of purpose that should not be forgotten when examining Musk’s actions.
Not a complete alignment. Other billionaires are doing their part. It is actually kind of amazing how so many rich people put their money where their mouth is, trying to make even more money by making these horrible things come true.
These poor monkeys are tortured and suffer severe pain by having intrusions into their brains affixed by a glue that makes them vomit until they die. There have been over 1,500 or more that have died of the extreme cruelty that they’ve suffered.
This will be the fate of all who choose this diabolical method of “healing” from their afflictions of parkinsonism and paralysis and the other varied disorders and diseases Neuralink claims the computer chips will heal.
There are severely ill people who are lined up as I write this. Question: Is your doctor prepared to
meet the challenges of the side effects of this insane, torturous experiment?
Don’t be fooled by Elon Musk. In my opinion he is just one of the anti-Christs in our midst.
If you want to know more, seek out Dr. Neal Barnard and the Physicians Committe for Responsible Medicine. Washington, D.C.
I did respite care for an adult autistic, who’s parents gave Mayo Clinic the green light to put a chip in his brain “to control his seizures”.
I did not stay to experience those results – I was appalled & just couldn’t pretend not to be.
Controlled crash? Yes, reading it seemed to be perhaps that Musk bought twitter to bring it down. After all, the richest man in the world losing a liability isn’t so bad.
Twitter can’t be allowed to fail, because it is owned by an African American.
ROFLOL!!!
It’s definitely a controlled crash otherwise his ceo wouldn’t be on board.
As for jones, he’s a self admitted liar, his credibility is nil.
I think his interview with TC shows his credibility is far, far above that of anything or anyone on the left who so despises him for knowing and speaking the truth when he sees it.
It’s absolutely a controlled crash. The Jones thing is part of the plan
yes. but crash meaning eliminated? or crash meaning declared a “public utility” and nationalized?
I just feel like a group of actors are following a script to distract the masses. I hate the manipulation.
I do have faith in Someone in a much higher position.
I am waiting for my cues from Him.
I agree. It’s frustrating to try to discern truth sometimes. I have read we are not to lean on our own understanding. So I rely on my faith and pray for wisdom. Waiting is not passive and it’s hard!
^this
I think it’s a mousetrap and Jones is just a piece of cheese added to the bait box….
The question is, when will the overlords execute Order 66?
If tweeetybird disappeared overnight, America would wake up in the morning and not miss a beat
………just like what is going to happen when President Trump deep – the unconstitutional administrative-state in the executive branch as a result of the “2024 Constitutional Republic Mandate.”
The Power of Tucker Carlson. Trump/Carlson 2024?
Sundance, I think — certainly at this point in his life — the purported richest man in the world at around $250 billion (would have been closer to $300 billion sans the Twitter purchase), Elon Musk, is not primarily concerned with profitability … at least in the short run (which could be both a blessing & a curse).
Anywho, I certainly do believe Twitter was originally part of a Deep State-run PsyOp.
Musk claims that his plan is to eventually turn it into a one-stop (“X”) portal combining all the characteristics, functions, & features of every social media & shopping site/app on the web combined. That’s probably gonna take a long time.
Haven’t read the new Walter Isaacson biography of Musk yet, but read one from 2017 by Ashlee Vance. A key takeaway was that Musk had a pretty unhappy childhood that involved much bullying in South Africa … so you can see by many of his actions that he absolutely hates and deplores bullies.
Elon Musk is a liar, fraud and government welfare queen. His wealth is concentrated in Tesla which makes “GREEN EV’s” yeah right and I am the Dali Lama.
Elon Musk voted for Barack HUSSEIN Obama and for Joe Biden in 2020 (Not that long ago he was a committed Liberal who in his opinion had done more for CLIMATE CHANGE (the hoax of the century) than any one else. He “just became a free speech guy” when he was forced to buy Twatter, because he was stooooooooopid and did no due diligence before signing on the dotted line.
Elon Musk is WEF
Elon Musk will not support Trump because Trump has said he will pull all green energy subsidies if elected President which means Elon Musk could go major broke because 1) no body but “woke liberals” buy electric cars and 2) he would no longer have the US Government and American Taxpayers propping up his source of income.
Elon Musk cannot run a company without the help of American Taxpayers – Twatter is a lost financial cause.
Elon Musk is in bed making love with Xi/CCP – the same bed as Joe and Hunter Biden
Elon Musk is punking people – not me of course. He is a liar, fraud and government welfare queen.
Real question: How do you know it’s not Elon Musk 2.0?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Never_Let_Me_Go_(2010_film)
That film is revelation of the method, btw.
You don’t think Babies R Us was up and operating in the Ukraine just to serve infertile couples do you?
Order your organ replacement that your body won’t reject, 20 years in advance. If you are David Geffen, or one of the Quants, it could be just the thing in which to invest. And they already have the organ harvesting operation down cold there.
Must be cool to live in hollywood film land… Your feelings are not facts pal.
Nice ad hominem attack while deflecting from the reality of the fact that in Ukraine it is legal to hire a surrogate for pay to breed a baby for you.
Wikipedia? Movie? ROTFLOL
Because Elon Musk is a liar, fraud and government welfare queen.
Gore infamously predicted that the north polar ice cap would be “ice free” within 5 to 7 years.
It never happened.
As Thomas Cartenacci documents, Gore has a storied history of making climate change predictions that turn out to be spectacularly wrong.
No wonder he wants to ban dissent.
Al Gore’s Family Trust has millions invested in OIL.
IMO Musk is see-sawing between allegiance to the hand that feeds him and wondering if maybe things have gone to far. Can’t know if that will be helpful to us (MAGA) in the long run but maybe in the short run we can gain a little from his trying to find his lost conscience.
Don’t believe that Musk has a conscience. He need the Climate Change Hoax in order to keep his wealth.
You’ve missed PayPal, SpaceX, Starlink etc. How about some links with that mass of spew?
You’d best have links on your Christmas list because you sure aren’t getting any on CTH, lol.
Please don’t hold back.
Tell us how you really feel.
Elon has other plans for “X” that probably include more “features”…..He helped create PAYPAL, he envisions “X” to be an everything APP, literally eliminating the need for any other APP…..In my humble opinion, if he is able to create an end to end APP that is fully “encrypted” where one could to BANKING, communications, AI, and a host of other things with confidence of not having government interference most everyone on the planet would PAY $8/month…..REVENUE issue solved, advertisers would JUMP on board……Just a thought.
Elon Musk was fired by Peter Thiel at PayPal. Elon Musk was a huge issue at the company and Thiel fired him.
Given Thiel’s proclivities and probable family lineage (Nazi rockets?) that may not be a red flag for Musk’s background.
Given that Musk is a crazy person and is pretty much disliked by his employees at Tesla, I would think that Peter Thiel probably felt the same way…
Frankly, General Flynn highlighting and recommending the Twitter Space with Jones, Musk, and Tate last night is a good enough signal for me between the two of them.
There are very, very few figures I do trust.
General Flynn is one of them.
Flynn Good. Elon Musk: liar, fraud and government welfare queen.
Reconcile
https://truthsocial.com/@01010001/posts/111558984928674185
Elon Musk, Alex Jones, Andrew Tate in HEATED Debate
This is like the ultimate party chat session So good to hear all these freedom of speech and pro humanity voices congregate all together in one format. I need more of this it was great!
The way they all dropped in and out at different times throughout really made me feel like I was playing games on Xbox
Shiny
for me, finding this website years ago was the best thing that could have ever happened in this age of craziness. thank you Sundance for keeping the sanity train on the tracks after the crazy train derailed.
Twitter and Facebook are bad for you. The world would be a noticeably better place without them.
They are a place to repost our thought provoking news..
They exist.
Now what?
I thank Treavor for his courage. Twitter is the battlefield. CTH is more like West Point for info warriors.
So do cigarettes and weed, but I don’t do those either.
The right answer is to build anti fragile alternatives that do not obey government diktats and are not subject to boycotts.
It’s just EASIER to use the Government’s approved tools. Twitter and Fakebook are bad for you, and you shouldn’t use them.
Some people will, just like weed and smokes, because it’s an addiction and they like the hit they get. They rationalize that they’re a brave warrior, but really it’s just electrons on a government run network.
Social media is more addictive than many drugs. It harms society in measurable ways through lost productivity, increased depression/anxiety, and it amplifies everything to unhealthy levels.
There really is a thing called abstinence. People need to give it a try.
Plenty of studies out there showing it is an addiction:
http://irep.ntu.ac.uk/id/eprint/25994/1/221567_PubSub2932_Griffiths.pdf
The very first deplatforming was of the neo-Nazi blog Der Sturmer, which was kicked off their web hosting service. Then they came for Alex Jones. Then they came for President Trump. Then they came for Parler. And on and on.
The progression is clear: Begin by banning the most indefensible, and then creep ever forward until they’re banning anyone they mildly disagree with.
Same as the Maoist struggle sessions in NJ. You start with the obnoxious drunks and work your way in.
ELON MUSK: CARDBOARD CUTOUT FOR THE BRITISH PILGRIMS SOCIETY AND BABYLONIAN RADHANITEShttps://aim4truth.org/2023/02/24/elon-musk-cardboard-cutout-for-the-pilgrims-and-babylonians/
THE MORE YOU KNOW 😻‼️
The mental health problem is believing in the “climate crisis.”
Twitter is 12.5 billion in debt. Musk is worth 250 billion. If he personally paid off Twitter’s debt he would be worth 237.5 billion. Hardly a dent. Musk said he didn’t care about the money.
Viability is Not the intent. Perhaps a controlled crash is the intent.
What is the purpose of a ‘vote’ about Alex Jones and free speech? If a majority can allow free speech, a majority can remove free speech. “…when we allow definitions imposed by others to define and ultimately control information, we become subjects to the censors.”
The majority censors spoke as Musk knew they would speak. Controlled Cattle-call anyone?
“The decision to permit Jones to return to Twitter was the correct decision.” Yes it is, but not because the majority said so.
Imagine the poll was an instrument of 5th gen warfare aimed at the middle 40 percent about WHY free speech matters.
Voting = action = involvement = picks a side = skin in the game.
Just like if you pull the trigger on a house negotiation, you become very invested in not losing that particular house. Psychological principles in play.
Can cut both ways.
30-40-30 rule of marketing/psyops – like it!
Musk is an entrepreneur. Made money lost money,
You get to a stage that you realize it’s not so difficult to stay ahead. Especially when you have a lot of iron in the fire. There is only so many people playing the big game. He will always be a player no matter what. If his sponsers ditch him we know how they operate and it will always be about money. It’s time that someone stand up and face the sh*t head on. I have had enough and the people who is suffering is our children. Enough with the stupid decisions meaning nothing and only add to the agony that we dont need. Can we please return to normality again.
Get your point with only one correction, Musk is not an entrepreneur in the true sense. The government subsidized him into existence so they’d have a substitute for the gasoline engine and further enable the push about Globull Warming. Now it seems even EV’s will not be the answer to the GW scam, since the U.N. is now backing a first ever call to get rid of oil, gas and coal (directions from the NWO?) so there will be no cars, electric or otherwise.
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2023/12/11/u-n-backs-first-ever-call-for-an-end-to-oil-gas-and-coal-use/
The “loss” generated by X could be possibly covered in part, or maybe entirely, as a tax write off. Is X owned by Elon personally? A holding company? A shell company? Or maybe an S corp?
It remains to be seen how long the US Constitution remains viable. Inalienable, inviolable rights. Man didn’t grant them. Man can’t take them away. Treat the cause, not the symptoms.
Saaayyyy . . . ain’t mob rule dandy?
(Eye roll!)
We might all need to do the paid subscription to X (Twitter) to help Elon keep it afloat until at least after the election.
When Chris Wary testifies that he believes white nationalists, code for America First, are the biggest threat it’s because I think they have scraped every platform and modeled the public opinion in a way that polls can’t show. They being the bureaucratic state and the partnered corporations (TBTF). It’s why his testimony post Oct. 7th was that an attack by Muslim terrorists was at it’s highest. I think it’s why they are also acting the way that they are, because simmering under the surface they aren’t seen as a legitimate government.
Twitter was their tool to shape the narrative in a way that outlets reported on it. Now that seems to be an expendable asset. What do they have now that can shape the narrative? I’d argue it has something to do with AI content moderation in very public areas of the internet, and probably threatening advertising and DNS services is only part of it. People are turning away from TV news as the older generations pass, papers are largely dead, so people are looking at social media and independent media. Again, “they” have to control everything from memes to podcasts.
Cisco contributed to the Great Firewall for China, what do they have in store for us? I don’t know that shutting the barn door on foreign sources helps them that much domestically. They’re screwed and they know it. But does it keep US citizens supporting lucrative foreign policy and looking away from the encroaching One World order? Probably.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Firewall
In case anyone has missed it, Musk told advertisers who use their revenue to blackmail the ‘X’ platform to go f— themselves. This is why he has reinstated Alex. He’s reorganizing ‘X’ and purging anyone who doesn’t support free speech of every human being on the planet. That’s why he just asked Zelensky to explain to the American People why he’s imprisoned an American Citizen Gonzalo Lira in a Ukrainian prison for posting commentary on YouTube, an American company, that was in disagreement with Zelensky’s – CIA – US State Dept. propaganda narrative.
People should recognize that it’s the US State Department who’ve done nothing to order Lira’s release from the totalitarian government in Kiev who they totally, and completely fund. BTW nobody knows if Gonzalo is even still alive, or if they’ve already murdered him. But nobody behind the razor wire fences inside of Columbia’s federal enclave will shine any light on their criminal acts against that American Citizen in a prison cell, alive or dead. The secretary of the treasury Janet Yellen told everyone that it is they alone who totally fund the Kiev dictator and that it would fold like a house of cards if their supply of blood money were to be halted.
I STILL think Sandy Hook was a hoax. The facts are very concerning. I believe there was a campaign of RIGGED “convincing law suits” which served to convince people with fear and threat that they were wrong. This happened with Fox, who didn’t fight anything or even bother with discovery when sued by an election machine company.
The laughing father who didn’t know the camera was running or that the video would leak to the internet was identified as a known crisis actor. And while I’m sure all of the histories of various people have been thoroughly generated the fact that this guy was both FBI and father of murdered child seems ridiculous. And as always, no one questions why an army of FBI swarms a scene like this rather than local law enforcement, why no medical helicopters were on scene or anything that looks like normal responses.
I don’t know what to make of Alex Jones. If they didn’t call so much attention to him, I would have continued to discount him as the “WWF” (I refuse to say WWE… that’s a BS law suit to lose) of independent media. And he is the WWF of independent media. His exaggerated emotional reporting is more than I could ever take seriously.
Emotional media == Propaganda and manipulation of audience every single time.
Music in the background? INSTANT DOUBT.
And we DONT need the “Grace” of Elon Musk to grant permission to speak on his shithile platform…. F them. Go to Truth Social
You don’t silence a man because you don’t believe him, You silence him because you fear what he says.
Hear Hear!
Factually speaking, there are still an unknown number of accounts permanently suspended with no hope of release including me. You might say many of which are the “J6” Twitter accounts or now the “X” files.
I too am in that number.
Maybe….in this war…..Elon only needs to keep X going long enough to get through the election cycle. So that that the control THEY have during that time is limited. And truth still gets out there. Once it’s known that TRUMP will be, or is elected as President..thats when the proverbial crap will hit the fan. THEY will not accept this or his victory. They will try to cancel or put off the election, create chaos, civil unrest and riots to divert attention or maybe even take us to war! But make no mistake about it….once THEIR internal polling shows THEM the REAL numbers and that there is no way THEY can steal this time……false flags will prevail. And you can see it already. The writing is on the wall….they know this MAGA movement is growing and THEY can not stop it. And the more THEY try….the larger we grow! It’s going to get ugly no doubt…..but that’s war….and if you don’t think we are in one….you have your head in the sand!
Ditto, Sundance, about unemotional. Musk is richest in the world.
Probably not, actually.
Musk is nowhere near the richest man in the world. You are not supposed to know the names of the richest men in the world. Musk, Bezos, etc. are the shiny objects to deflect attention from the wealthiest who are behind the the current attempt to institute one world communist government (i.e. New World Order, the Great Reset, etc.)
Those who own Blackrock, State Street, Vanguard, the Federal Reserve, etc are the wealthiest on the planet. Think Rothschild, Rockefeller, Payseur … the banking families.
I am in accord with Sundance on all he has written as well as many of the comments here on CTH, so I will not waste folks time just writing another repetitive supporting comment.
Instead, I offer the following observation and comment.
For a long time I have introduced the 30-40-30 notion that there are 30% on either end of the MAGA issue, i.e. those committed 100% for or against …. and there are those 40% in the middle who will at least tip the scales of true public sentiment on the State of the US … some live in oblivious La La Land, while others live under the influence of the Power of “The Status Quo” (i.e. don’t mess with me and all is OK). The battle for the sympathies of the 40% in the focus of Media and the Elites serving the Puppet Master, as the population of the US is still a unique bunch used to living nearly 250 years of Constitutionally guaranteed rights … thus the Puppet Masters know they have spin and tread carefully so as not to alienate too many of the 40%.
Further … the composition of each segment of the 30-40-30 has very little in common with “political party”.
Notice the percentages in Sundance’s article, and think about this for a moment. These types of simple victories serve as a ray of hope as well as a warning to the Puppet Masters.
OK sure … people are not sure of Elon or other semi-MAGA’s but then again they do something out of the ordinary to provide these sudden small victories. Meaning that All is not so black and white.
Prescient
Did Musk recalibrate from C in C to President?
CoG?
Defund Pedowood! They were instrumental in placing Biden in office. Do they get armies of kidnapped children to fill out fake ballots?
As usual, Sundance calls “BINGO” before many have checked their emotional madness that Elon has played in last yr or two-
Has Elon ever done anything on his own? Not financed by Govts , Foreign enemies or other scam?
Not to my knowledge
all good…
An admirable decision by Elon Musk. I say we enjoy this moment of victory for free speech for we have very few friends. Elon seems a genius to me. Like Tucker Carlson.
OTOH people we trust like Devin Nuñez and President Trump do nor allow anything Ukraine in Truth Social, which has been a disappointment precisely because it is not free. Twitter seems to be Elońs gift to the world.
Yes, the worst thing we can do at the moment is look a gift horse in the mouth. There have been too few of them lately. The other thing, as I keep saying, is that the simple existence of X, in its current incarnation, is an indication that Musk has powerful people behind him. We’re all aware of the strings behind the Biden, but I think we know little about who/what is pulling the strings behind the resistance, even though it’s been gathering steam for some time.
The forces we’ve been fighting have been building up the wrecking ball for the US and the globe for decades. Those forces are global and pretty clearly get their orders from the old European banks and what’s left of the colonialist empire that was once run by the Brits. The Fed and many US banks, JP Morgan in particular, have been behaving as sovereigntists for the past few years. Jamie Dimon has said oil will be with us for 50 years and that trying to get off it would be “suicidal” for the US. Meanwhile, Powell’s rate tightening is removing liquidity from the offshore dollar markets, which is where the globalists get their funding. And now, Musk is suing Soros in every country where Media Matters exists.
Can people not see where this is going, Musk or no Musk, Gaetz or no Gaetz, Dr. McCullough or no Dr. McCullough, Trump or no Trump?
Whether you can see that or not, you can certainly see that the globalist plans have failed, one after the other, since the coup of 2020. Meanwhile, awareness of their schemes has been increasing. There is simply no justification for being black pilled into pessimism. Doesn’t matter if Musk is a turncoat or not.
The tide is definitely turning, and what is needed is courage and fight, not trepidation and gloom. This is going to be a long, hard fight, and no one should be expressing or putting up with learned depression style hopelessness.
Elon Musk might be able to keep Twitter afloat even without the advertisers because the DOJ is not going to abandon one of their major domestic spy portals. And we are supposed to be worried about Tiktok and ignore the homegrown threat.
Elon Musk, or at least Elon Musk 1.o, was definitely a cardboard cutout for the WEF.
https://briancates.substack.com/p/how-does-big-brother-take-away-constitutional?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2
For the sheer ability to cut through the noise, I would put Brian Cates up against even Sundance.
This piece is well worth the time to read.
Elon did a hostile takeover – to use the tattle telling of the Gov in Twitter over the APPROVAL OF HIS NEW THING..
to answer that the state took all twitter account info – so they can find insiders to see if they are dropping hints anonymously hoping someone picks it up.
30% want censorship. I’ll bet 99% of those are brain dead democrats who also think stealing elections is the “right thing to do”.
they want to censor us, that their support for it.
That is 100% correct. Their motto is “By Any Means Necessary.” It’s well documented.
These are an emotionally driven, legally blind;short-sighted people who think anyone who is successful must have stolen it from them. Their only intention is to destroy.
I know this => the very few people making the decisions for “the majority of us” currently do not like the spotlight and are not in the spotlight. They have more to lose when visible.
And it is NOT Joe Biden to name for one.
Therefore, since Elon Musk likes to be in the media and talk a lot, one can assume that Elon is not really one to make the decisions, but more one to talk entertain and create a media spectacle.
I would say this discussion about Elon Musk person (whether he’s good or bad, or why he is the way he is?) is exactly what is thrown to the crowd. He has risen to be some mythical proportion figure by now.
One thing I know as well is we got to keep watching what that “other hand” is doing.
Is it robbing the till again? (Currently the till could be robbing Lithium from Argentina, or making sure Exxon gets into Guyana, or annexing a swath of the Gaza strip by bombing out most of the civilians to name but three)