For those confused. There are two bills to modify the FISA702 reauthorization in the House. (1) HR 6611 from the House Intel Committee and (2) HR 6570 from the House Judiciary Committee. The intel committee bill expands domestic surveillance authority under the modifications; the judiciary committee bill requires the DOJ to get a search warrant before they can look at the incidental collection of American citizens.
Both bills came out of committee and were scheduled for a floor vote tomorrow, which has been cancelled due to public outcry (good job). Speaker Mike Johnson initially planned to let both bills get voted tomorrow and the bill with the most votes advances to the Senate. 😬That’s a hot mess.
The House Intel Committee bill organized by Chairman Mike Turner is absolutely horrible. It expands FISA702 surveillance and makes things much worse. The House Judiciary Bill organized by Chairman Jim Jordan is not structurally that much better, but it does put strong curtailments on the 702 surveillance authority by forcing the DOJ to get actual court approved search warrants on American citizens.
It should not come as a surprise to see a panel of 46 experts in Deep State weaponization come out in support of the Intelligence Committee bill, and then decry the insufferable 702 limitations put into place in the Judiciary Committee bill. The bad guys want the House Intel version.
That’s a who’s-who list of 46 Deep State weaponization operatives, all supporting the Mike Turner version.
Turner lied when he said his HR 6611 bill was supported by John Ratcliffe and Devin Nunes. It’s not, and they don’t. Both Nunes and Ratcliffe support a panel within the process who have eyes on everything that is being done and can conduct immediate oversight. Chairman Mike Turner is a big fibber, and y’all can tell him I said that.
The Deep State folks love the Turner bill (6611) because it makes the surveillance even easier by granting even more authority in their warrantless searches. The Deep State folks do not like the Jordan bill (6570) because it requires a search warrant to look at the material, which means a predicate justification must exist.
Both bills suck, but the Jordan bill sucks less.
Speaker Johnson abandoned the competing same-day floor vote effort, and no one is sure where it goes from here; but that’s probably why the Deep State guys are writing a letter trying to influence Johnson on what bill to permit a vote.
In the meantime, the current FISA-702 authorization will likely be “short-term” renewed through April 19, 2024, as part of the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), while congress figures out which long-term reform bill to send to the Senate.
It’s all a hot mess.
We The People just don’t want to be under surveillance, but we have no representation.
Thanks for the clear reporting. Always, MAGA 👊👊🙏🏻🙏🏻❤️❤️🇺🇸🇺🇸
Is this all part of the same effort to subpoena 1000s in the spring for wrongthink?
‘702’ signers (Intel officials) who also signed Hunter Biden laptop disinformation letter
Jeremy Bash
James Clapper
Glenn S. Gerstell
Richard H. Ledgett, Jr.
Michael Morell
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/12/west-virginia-secretary-state-gubernatorial-candidate-says-2020/
CIA Hammer&Scorecard election theft computer program.
Good catch!
Regardless of the others, anything with Clapper’s name attached should an automatic disqualified.
Clapper’s a deep state shill, but he’s a piler beside Brennan
The DUFUS!
Jimmy is the second in line to swing from the gibbet after John Brennan.
Jeremy Bash is the ex-husband of CNN talking head, Dana Bash.
He’s a real ” beaut’.”
No unlawful searches and seizures!. What part of the Bill of Rights do these idiots not understand? I think we know the answer at this point. All of it!
Obviously, their oath of office did not include “to protect and defend the Constitution.”
Actually, as soon as they broke their Oath of Office the committed treason and a made a declaration off WAR against the USA, it’s constitutions, and the citizenry.
Ex parte Milligan 71 US 2
They violate their constitutional oath and, thus, immediately forfeit their office and authority and their proclamations may be disregarded with impunity and that means anyone, even the governor and President.
We all so know they will do whatever they want. With these ds guys the means always justify the end., Bill of Rights has never hindered them.
A thing I learned working in and around big gov people is constitutional limits are out of their lane.
Military, state, intelligence folks all swim in the “outside the continental United States (OCONUS) ocean. Their day to day is foreign soil and does not concern itself with constitutional limits.
Many have entered the trade as a legacy via parentage and have been raised OCONUS. Their personal associations to the people in the larger US is limited. The only connection they have is through others in the big guv family. This colors their world view.
If the Deep State wants this, we the people certainly DO NOT!
As a rule I oppose anything that James Clapper is supporting.
One would think it would be a disqualifier to have signers who lie to Congress.
Good rule!
good rule of thumb
They are obviously terrified of Freedom. Because they know nothing of it, and care less.
A very small part of me pities them. They will never be Free.
Mike: No pity from me.
No pity, no mercy, no quarter…hangings with piano wire in front of their families
How many of these people were on the letter signed by the infamous open letter to America from 489 deepstaters on the eve of the 2020 election?
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/12/west-virginia-secretary-state-gubernatorial-candidate-says-2020/
Anything signed by Clapper, Morell and Rosenstein should be questioned … several others of this who’s who in the IC signed the ‘Russian disinformation’ letter about Hunter’s laptop. There is no credibility here.
All the same Clowns who signed a piece of paper claiming Russia interfered and PDJT was a Russian stooge.
We can surely trust these fools /s
46 Deep State Officials Including Rosenstein, Clapper and Morell Urge Congress to Pass HPSCI Version of FISA-702 Renewal to Expand Domestic Surveillance
That alone is enough for me to tell them to take section 702 and ram it where the sun don’t shine.
Another letter of marching orders, nothing more. Nice to see when it comes to breaking the constitution and bill of rights, there is no split of parties. But then again, they are uni party.
Patriots just keep adding to the list and checking it twice …we know who is naughty and nice.
Pallas Cat don’t play!
Excellent summary, Sundance. Thank you. Hot mess for sure.
IMO, there is no doubt that intel has, well, intel on everyone in Congress. So, blackmail is rampant and until we find representatives with either nothing to hide (e.g., PDJT) or confident to have all skeletons exposed, we are likely to never get “the people’s Congress”.
J Edgar Hoover would be proud.
Once they get campaign donations, they are owned!
I just called Mike Turners office here in Ohio. His Conservative Lifetime Voting Record is 43%! Mike ‘702 Turner’ You’re Through. Primary Him Out NOW!
He’s not maga. Get him out.
primary them all
Utah Senator Mike Lee said his congressional colleagues should bring the program into alignment with the Constitution.
Intelligence insiders say the far-reaching statute should be preserved in its current state to adequately prevent terrorist threats.
But Lee says as it stands, Section 702 violates U.S. citizens’ rights
https://www.deseret.com/2023/12/11/23997074/sen-mike-lee-jim-jordan-fisa-reform
Storm the phone lines, start with the liar Turner and end with Mike Johnson. They want surveillance on American citizens, not on felon invaders.
In a sane world, that rogue’s gallery endorsing legislation would be the kiss of death.
So you know it’s bad for American’s if those criminals are supporting it!!
This post was a welcome read that gives some clarification on a fluid, legislative subject.
Much appreciated.
It is not clear to me that we will not be under surveillance no matter how this FISA goes down. If I was in Congress I would worry about being spied on and would not want to enable the Intelligence agencies further.
There has been no pushback against the FBI for their lawless behavior toward Trump and his campaign to this date or their targeting of school board meetings and Catholic latin mass churches.
By the way, the Catholic churches are just the first to be targeted.
The Government no longer seems constrained by the law because DOJ is corrupt and was corrupt under Bill Barr as well.
You ever ask why the Catholic churches were/are targeted? If not who knows how many other church denominations? Just going out on a speculative limb, but I wonder if it is because churches are gathering places where group communications can take place which are more difficult to surveil? Just a guess…
plus they are not happy about the rise of satanism
The only domestic surveillance we need is on these clowns, communists and traitors. Nothing less than jail time is suitable for what they have done to America.
Most people who possess the requisite critical reasoning skills do NOT WANT governments to be spying on them in any form. If law enforcement wish to surveil a criminal, then they need to apply to the court for a search warrant in order to do so. If Homeland Security is fearful of terrorist entities getting into or already inside the nation, then use FISA-702 surveillance, BUT WITH RESTRICTIONS SUCH AS A SEARCH WARRANT.
The incidental surveillance of ordinary citizens in any form is reprehensible and denies each of us our constitutional freedom from government interference in our pursuit of ”happiness.”
I’m not sure they are fearful of anyone, given what they have at their disposal. If they were fearful, it would be of legal citizens who know and love the Constitution, who’ve been awakened to the developing totalitarian police state they are living under and the corruptive $ystemic problems that create and perpetuate the Uniparty. This bill is not about combating terrorists, illegal aliens, etc. It is about further controlling legal citizens, removing more liberty (e.g., privacy) under the guise of combating terrorism in the name of “security”. They create the problem (opening the borders), then warn of potential terrorist threats, and then demand more surveillance power. They 9/11 you, then usher in the Patriot Act. It’s the same old play…
Does Trump support Jordan’s bill? Or should I even ask that, Sundance? You said we have no one representing us. We should start a new party and get out of the Republican Party. Call it MAGA or America First. Our options are growing smaller and smaller everyday.
Lord Jesus, what more do you need to know NOT to do something?
Sundance…how would we get you in touch with Speaker Johnson. We have channels to him but we don’t have channels to you. I think the two of you need to be in touch…
They are direct channels
Typical political strategy: Now we are not talking about how FISA needs to be abolished altogether BUT instead we are talking about what version we want, the “worse “versus “terrible” version. Great.
That is like deciding between being kicked in the cajones or kicked in the face. Wonderful job America.
Much like those who believe we must vote for the worst of two evils. If they’re evil, they will not be what we want so why vote for them. My vote is a stamp of approval. I’ll not approve evil if I know it exists.
Yes, yes.
SD has been educating us on this for so long.. I have a bad memory, but the interwebs don’t forget.. . I did a search of Fisa here at the Treehouse.. It would take days to review what he has written,, but this video helped me.. Especially at 1:09
Anytime you can get a significant number of former government officials to agree and broadcast regarding any issue, you can bet Joe’s next Chinese bribe payment that it’s against the interests of the American people. They really aren’t nuanced enough to play the game better than this.
So if so many deep state actors will actually work up the effort to broadcast their support for THIS, whatever THIS is, then the least we can do is to take them at their word and oppose it. Can’t allow all that effort to go to waste, after all. 😉
They got the endorsements knowing we the people would abhor the policy and them for proffering it.
Jeepers Creepers Government Peepers everywhere!!!
There is no statute of limitations on murder or treason!
Why are the White Hats allowing all these horrors to happen, year after year after year?
Birds of a feather…
there is no aspect of the federal government that can be trusted with anything …burn it all to the ground …
Agree. They all crooked as heck.
Have you guys heard of the Corporate Transparency Act that Biden signed in 2021? This law goes into effect January 1, 2024. It
requires all C-Corps, S-Corps, Partnerships, Trusts, Estates, and LLC’s taxed as these to register their businesses including ownership information and addresses with the Financial Crimes Division of the United States Treasury! The penalty for not complying is $500 a day to a maximum of $10,000 per business and up to 2 years in jail! They are coming after the middle class! This is Orwellian! Apparently their website is not open to take the registrations, but it is coming. We need to be calling our Representatives and Senators and ask them how in the world they could have passed a law like this. This needs to be stopped!
So much for Mike Johnson being an upgrade to McCarthy!!!
If those people are for it, I’m against it!!!!!
OUR enemies are showing themselves as such. Trump should have called all veterans to arms before they could complete the steal. Even if it is true that he did not, because he was afraid we would descend into a civil war, he has delayed the pain that we will have to suffer to correct this. It will be so much worse than it had to be, but it is obvious that nobody in authority gives a flying rat’s butt what I think.
While celebrating Christ’s birth, I’m also mindful this month of the very dark days of December 1944 and what my family members faced on the fields of battle in the last war we decisively won.
Gentle readers can review historical documents of the Battle of the Bulge, and other battles, for the realities of war and that tug of death each brave soul involved felt at their elbow in an otherwise normally joyful time. Freedom isn’t free.
God bless.
The HBLC
(no, that’s not a bank in Singapore or somewhere – that’s the Hunter Biden Laptop Crew)
they have already been exposed for chicanery
where’s that Swedish girl meme – “how dare you!”
grubby evil little men like these always get their come-uppance. ALWAYS!!!! God will not be mocked. Always wondered how they look at themselves in the morning……..i guess there is no reflection……
How does one fix a banana republic surveillance state that took so many decades to create once one is in one, but so many don’t realize they are?
“None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.” – Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
It seems as if a day doesn’t go by without the new House Speaker disappointing us yet again. The Demoncrat party is an existential threat to our liberty and prosperity and all we have to defend us is a pack of mealy mouthed Retardpublican surrender monkeys. Politics ruins everything!
As soft as he looks.
Why would a bunch of Bureaucrats be able to tell our elected Representatives to do anything? Could it be that our elected Representatives are blissfully ignorant? The Patriot Act has to be repealed or this is “1984”. No in between stuff can work on this.
Rep Luna just announced on Cris Salcedo they managed to kill one of the bills. Sounds like the worse of the two. Hopefully that was correct reporting.
The bill of rights were ripped up and thrown away during the Covid bs.
Hasn’t been right ever since
Rep Clay Higgins was on the radio this morning to talk about the differences between the two bills brought to the floor. He said the RINOs on the Intel committee want the FISA rules relaxed (so they can get cushy jobs beyond Congress) while the other bill, submitted by House Judiciary, wants more oversight.
Turner is COMPROMISED and beholden to the Elite and Moneyed Donors who are up to their necks in business dealings with the Chinese Communists!!!🤨
Just read over on tgwp that speaker Johnson has pulled both bills. Will not reconsider either until after the 1st of the year. It is set to expire on the 31st. So the fbi and Intel guys are politicking for an extension of the current bill until April. Let’s see what happens.
First hint of America Forst from the man. He’s been hiding behind Ukraine on the topic.
The House Republicans should deal with President Biden on terms he would appreciate.
Just tell him that should he want a billion dollars for Ukraine, he has to fire Jack Smith by 6 o’clock.