When CNN announced they were hosting two debates for the GOPe candidates in Iowa and New Hampshire, the supposition was that the RNC had given two debates to the network. The assumption was because the RNC, and the four remaining first-loser candidates, had previously held an agreement that only RNC sanctioned debates would be permitted, and the candidates would only attend RNC sanctioned debates.
However, it turns out that fake news CNN went rogue in organizing the unsanctioned debates.
There are multiple facets worth considering, and considerable ramifications within the entire construct.
First, the RNC didn’t even know about the plans of CNN. “The respective debates, set for Jan. 10 in Des Moines and Jan. 21 just outside Manchester, aren’t sanctioned by the RNC, which has organized the first four debates, including Wednesday night’s broadcast in Alabama,” according to Politico. Additionally, “campaigns have continuously complained about current RNC rules, which say a candidate who participates in an unsanctioned debate is barred from future RNC-approved gatherings. But the RNC’s debate committee is expected to meet Friday to discuss officially removing that rule, according to three people with knowledge of the group’s plans.”
Fake News CNN lived up to their nickname by not even informing the debate venues of their plan prior to yesterday’s announcement. It’s all very weird and curious:
(New York Times) – […] With great fanfare this week, CNN announced it would host the network’s first debate of the 2024 presidential campaign, gathering the Republican candidates for a marquee event on Jan. 21 at Saint Anselm College in New Hampshire.
There was only one problem: Saint Anselm had no idea what CNN was talking about.
“We were surprised to be included on a press release by a network about a debate which we had not planned or booked,” Neil Levesque, executive director of the New Hampshire Institute of Politics at Saint Anselm, said in a statement on Friday.
The chairman of New Hampshire’s Republican Party, Chris Ager, went a little further. “The CNN thing came out and everybody’s like, ‘What the heck?’” Mr. Ager said in an interview. “I’m still scratching my head. And I still haven’t been contacted by CNN at all.” (more)
By midday on Friday, CNN was being battered with questions from Republicans, candidates and other media outlets. It’s all just seemingly bizarre.
The RNC made an official statement today saying the RNC is no longer hosting debates for the 2024 GOP primary. This is a little funny considering that Donald Trump never participated, and the candidates who aligned with the RNC debates have lower support numbers now than before the debate series began.
WASHINGTON – The Republican National Committee is pausing its participation in 2024 GOP primary debates, the organization decided Friday.
The RNC’s decision, made by a 16-member internal body, means that any forthcoming debates will be hosted by networks independently of the committee. Two outlets — ABC and CNN — have announced plans to host future debates in Iowa and New Hampshire ahead of early state voting. Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis already said he will attend CNN’s planned Iowa debate before next month’s caucuses and ABC’s planned New Hampshire debate.
“We have held four successful debates across the country with the most conservative partners in the history of a Republican primary. We have no RNC debates scheduled in January and any debates currently scheduled are not affiliated with the RNC,” the RNC’s Committee on Presidential Debates said in a statement. “It is now time for Republican primary voters to decide who will be our next President and candidates are free to use any forum or format to communicate to voters as they see fit.” (more)
Essentially, it all boils down to this. The RNC initially thought they could stop Trump; however, the RNC debate series intended to generate that narrative has failed miserably. Donald Trump is supported more now than he was when the field of first-loser candidates assembled against him. Having failed, the RNC backs away slowly.
The CNN announcement, and the gleeful almost immediate acceptance by DeSantis et al, reflects a general desperation. The effort to stop Trump now falls on the leftist corporate media, who are aligned with the remaining four GOP candidates: DeSantis, Haley, Ramaswamy and Christie.
The agreement and alignment between the remaining candidates, and the corrupt media apparatus, only highlights the fraudulent reason those candidates were assembled in the first place. The ‘stop Trump’ effort was/is the purpose of their candidacy; actually, winning the GOP nomination was/is irrelevant. This non-pretending reality exposes the strings on the four remaining marionettes.
It is serendipitous the events rolled out the way they did. Fraudulent men had plans, but God has a sense of humor. The implosion of a heavily controlled GOP field is only spotlighted more by the few remaining candidates continuing to compete for first-loser status.
Why would any Republican agree to a CNN debate knowing the nature of the lies and fraud CNN has pushed for the past several years. Any normally minded Republican candidate would never agree or participate, and therein lies the point. These are not normally minded politicians; their agenda is something else entirely.
President Donald Trump is unlikely to participate in any debate. The premise of the debates themselves is silly, and the only reason the candidates are agreeing to more debates is that the corporate and billionaire donors to them are demanding every effort be exhausted. At this point it is pathetic.
Looking forward to debating in Iowa! https://t.co/qeCvrTLwqy
— Ron DeSantis (@RonDeSantis) December 7, 2023
📊 2024 National Republican Primary
• Trump — 64% (+50)
• Haley — 14%
• DeSantis — 7%
• Ramaswamy — 4%
• Christie — 4%
• Hutchinson — 2%
~~
H2H:
• Trump — 76% (+53)
• Haley — 23%Emerson (A-) | 446 RVs | 12/04-06https://t.co/wKjFTYIRvb pic.twitter.com/5DN46bNaxC
— InteractivePolls (@IAPolls2022) December 8, 2023


Fake news, Fake debates, Fake Republicans, Perfect !
Exactly.
My guess is that after the corrupt RNC ended their official debate series, that the Desantis team contacted CNN & asked CNN to create a debate for him to continue campaigning.
Or Vice-Versa.
Expect fake ballot counting
Bull’s eye.
the Trump derangement road tour ! Curious to see what Vivek decides. Any ideas on who has the deep pockets, networks can’t be doing it for the ratings.
Great questions! I’m particularly interested in Vivek’s next move. I don’t lump him in with the other 3. I’m unclear on his precise motives.
The RNC committee said, “It is now time for Republican primary voters to decide who will be our next President and candidates are free to use any forum or format to communicate to voters as they see fit…” So—situational awareness still isn’t a thing with them.
That poor cat is going to have to call in additional faces….
I wonder if the candidates would care to share about the content of their conversations with CNN.
“The end justifies the means”.
Ah, I remember the days when so many said Trump should participate in the debates.
He didn’t and his numbers rose even more.
And Oregon I think, was going to charge him with a felony….it never ends…
TRUMP never has a need to go and flap his lips uselessly like the First Losers’ Debates when he already has four (4) years in office getting things done for USA against the traitors of the (U)ni (democrats and republican) Party Apparatus.
He’s already shown some, only a portion, of what he is capable of.
If we get the criminals out of Congress we can get more done.
And we need Military Tribunals for the military that committed t5reason under TRUMP’s first administration when they refused his orders!!!
The ones who refused his orders, or others like them, would be the ones in charge of any military tribunals.
Going to have to purge that sh*t harder than Stalin. Might as well, Adm Levine and company wont be any use in a real shooting war.
Well, he was supposed to have made a statement that he would only be a dictator for a day, so … whenthe fraudulent government is protecting itself, it is summary removal by the citizens as they are already in the offices illegally and are criminals and enemies of the USA and it’s citizens.
“making war against our constitution(s) and, therefore, we the people. They violate their constitutional oath and, thus, immediately forfeit their office and authority and their proclamations may be disregarded with impunity and that means anyone, even the governor and President.”
Not if he, as CIC, relievea them of command and replaces them with loyalists.
Trump is not going to have military tribunals like some third world crap hole.
So you say.
Time will tell and we will see.
And it would seem we are conducting ourselves as a third world crap hole anyway.
Thank goodness he didn’t “debate” those knuckleheads.
I put debate in quotes bc those performances were not debates. I participated in many real debates and what those idiots did on Television was just embarrassing. That would be just one of the reasons President Trump’s poll numbers rose. And every performance after the first one had significantly less viewers. Sad and pathetic.
Pundits are phenomenal political prognosticators to peruse provided one proceeds to purse the opposite program Pundits proffer.
“The effort to stop Trump now falls on the leftist corporate media, who are aligned with the remaining four GOP candidates: DeSantis, Haley, Ramaswamy and Christie.”
At the risk of going off the reservation, I must say I’m not so sure the leftist corporate media is all that much aligned with Ramaswamy.
“the only reason the candidates are agreeing to more debates is that the corporate and billionaire donors to them are demanding every effort be exhausted. “
So Ramaswamy has been getting corporate and billionaire donors ? I’d be interested in knowing which ones and how much.
Not sure if they are the same people he scammed for his billions … but he is a charismatic flim flam artist.
Viviek is a fly in their ointment. An infiltrator and the Ronna McDonald clown show doesn’t know how to deal with him.
Was the DeSantis vs Newsom debate authorized by the RNC?
Excellent question!
They had better jerk that rule out pretty quick!
speaking of RNC “rules” – didnt they make the others sign a loyalty oath to support the eventual nominee? and then Krispy Kreme said he would not support Trump… so why is he still in the party?
How many states allow cross party voting? Just saying.
15 states have fully open primaries and 22 states run a hybrid primary system.
Answer: For the doughnuts 🍩…
Really, why would any right of center candidate with any ounce of common sense and an IQ above 0 agree to debate on cnn or pmsnbc? If I were a candidate for any office, given my strong conservative views, I would never go on any of the 2 garbage slinging networks mentioned or the other alphabet purveyors of lies.
For a debate with fools wanting to bring you down to their normal moral level of sick and depraved?
Nah.
But if you wanted to get your message, curated by the left as it would be, out to the low information indoctrinated masses waiting for their daily “PROGRAMMING” on tv and social media …
… it could be worth it. Just remember they are going to try their best to discredit everything through fraud and manipulation.
any of the 4 that called this out and refused to do it would probably rise by a couple points.
And yet Desantis immediately jumped on board.
I received a text from Nimrats today it said:
There are two things I want you to know about me:
1) When I pick a fight, the people always win.
2) I’ve been the underdog in every race I’ve run, but I’ve never lost an election
Sorry lady but you will be losing this one. Uggh
Just got an invitation to see Nikki speak in New Hampshire and really want to go, but gotta work.
send a proxy.
with noisemakers, like a fart noise keychain or a flabby trombone.
Hahahaha ~!
Almost spilled the refreshment.
😀
Given the moderators at these debates are candidates even necessary?
I’m convinced now they are just debating so they can accuse PDJT of being scared of debating, or too much of a dictator to debate, or too thin skinned. Whichever one they think might work on any given day.
Dictator?
“Only for one day!”
edit here addendum The Dictator for a day was supposed to be a quote TRUMP recently gave. When I had played the clip I did not see that statement, but another. NOT SURE QUOTE IS REAL AND OR ACCURATE
It’s real. I watched him say it on a town hall with Hannity. Would post link but not IT savy enough. Maybe another treeper can help…
😁
I thought of your first point, and then thought, no one seems to care yet. I’m glad.
Is it me or is Sundance’ kitty getting a little more nervous twitchy? Cheer up kitty, tomorrow is Caturday!
That said…when the big loser boxes all started….the one thing I noticed, immediately, that each of them picked a few areas of Mr. Trump’s Agenda 47 (or was it Agenda 45?)….which coincidentally and combined by all those in a box, were ALL the things that concerned all of us, you know……taunting us as if to say “you can’t have it all”….
The forgotten men and women of the country.
I’m unmoved by all their platitudes and antics. None of those policy positions are wholly genuine, as I have a very good idea what drives and motives them all.
I remember much as many of us all do, being among the forgotten men and women.
Not RNC. Not ‘Repubs’.
3rd party. ?
Don’t these GOPe morons know that CNN and the other leftist media sites will turn on them if (a YUGE “IF”) they become the nominee?
Morons!
“We have held four successful debates across the country with the most conservative partners in the history of a Republican primary.”
lol, a debate featuring staunch conservatives like Chris Christie hosted by LESTER HOLT is “the most conservative partners in history.”
BAHAHAHAHA!
So, in effect the RNC road show is scrambling to remove the road blocks for their poodles to attend their bosses plans.
Sounds like a partial plan B if Trump is found guilty of any of the bogus charges he faces.
kinda what i was thinking… the odds are very high that one of them will be done and guilty, and the RNC or a handful of states will remove him then. and the slimesters can get up in there and claim “i’m all you got!!!”
The cat pic explains my attitude in graphic way.
I agree with the cat.
Sometimes a picture says a thousand words.👀
Speaking of CNN…
I took my 13 year old, eighth grade granddaughter out last night to shop for Christmas and she informed me that every morning at their school they are shown a 10 minute News update from CNN.
Are you kidding me?!?!
😡🤯
It gave me a good opportunity to tell her that they were doing that to propagandize/brain wash the young students. I reminded her that she must follow the Bible and to pray for discernment and that my philosophy about CNN is that anything and everything they say, I believe the opposite because it is all lies.
We are a very small Christian community in Indiana. If it is happening here, I wonder how many others are doing this to brain wash our children?
They put tv into schools decades ago.
Why wouldn’t they use to push their propaganda and ideology.
How else do they get children to think they can change sexes and proclaim they are a cat that needs litter in the restrooms?
Imagine that; more election interference!!
Based on the most recent two national polls, Trump and Haley are the only two who would qualify for the debates, so if Trump opts out again which he most likely will, there will be no debates. But the GOPe/CNN will show their true colors once again and change the rules so DeSantis can qualify, but not the rest of them.
“rules, which say a candidate who participates in an unsanctioned debate is barred from future RNC-approved”
How did Desantis get away with debating Newsom?? Shouldn’t he have been barred from that last debate?
Why did Desantis jump on the CNN (cia) bandwagon immediately?
This inquiring mind would like to know. I understand the guy is not normal but……
I wondered about That
Too , T. Turtle !
Why DID DeSantis jump right on That Bandwagon
for the CNN debates ???
(Debates in Iowa and New Hampshire that No One Knew About Except CNN !)
Looks to me like DeSantis Knew Something !
Suspicious Cat , For Sure !
The CIA needs to better coordinate their “leaks” among their distribution channels.
I have not watched much of any of the debates. I have better things to do. But to me, why should Trump show up if Vivek is there to provide the contrast with the neocons?
The United States of Pretendng – the side curtain is wide open.
Funniest thing that could happen if RNC drops the penalties for unsanctioned debates; Donald Trump attends the 1st one and throw the whole shenanigans and plotting into orbit!
Maybe they should bring back a few zombie candidates to round out the fiasco – maybe Good Odds that Christie trips and falls on top of Vivek as they enter the stage ..
Yah, saw this on Granite Grok earlier today.
Awesome planning 😂
Sundance, you need to go full suspicious cat on this one. I think the RNC is still duplicitous. They still want to replace Trump at the convention.
Megan Kelly stated that the candidates had a valid purpose of running as a replacement.
Well, well, well. That is interesting. My opinion has been, ever since CNN announced their 2 debates, that none of the current candidates should make themselves available for a debate at CNN.
Maybe DeSantis can debate himself.
100% Theater…….
The RNC and the complicit media goons, as we know, will go all out to try and make President Trump fail. So far, they are failing on a scale that I never imagined. So far, that is…..
What do they have left?
Oh boy, lots!
Spent a few hours reading today, catching up on all things Trump.
I found multiple articles about him being a dictator ( Hahahaha! Alinsky Projection 101, without a doubt. Every word on those articles is what is going on right now, and has been since FJB fraudulently took the WH! )
A few about how democracy will end if he is elected! ( ROFL! They already did that before his win in 2016, all the new stuff is just rehashed nonsense! That was a lie then, and its a lie now! )
The WAPO Commies crying about the Electoral College, and the Primary’s haven’t even begun??? Saying how unfair it is, and that the EC does not represent enough people! What they really mean is that they cant use an actual Democracy, which is akin to 2 Wolves debating with a Sheep, what they are eating for lunch! ( Hahaha!! They tried that back in 2015/2016, and failed, as the left always does…. )
A bunch about how is he is going to jail, no question, he will be behind bars. ( That asshat Fanni and her goons forever just lying and trying to gain street cred with the Communists…)
Found the article where these demons are actually gaslighting the left, suggesting that he be assassinated! By any means necessary, all over again. ( These clowns are scared! That is the take away. )
All in all, The full Alinsky doctrine is in a massive swing, and we aren’t even into the Primary’s! The level of control and lying is off the charts. These cretin’s KNOW that WE KNOW, they are lying, but yet, they just keep on lying.
As SD has said many times, Control is a reaction to fear, and man o man, are these leftists and Never Trump arseholes, ever freakin scared!
May God Bless President Trump and his family, and keep them safe, because these demons are working themselves and their empty shallow voters, into a feeding frenzy of lies and deceit! I worry about him and his people. These Communist lowlifes will stop at nothing, to make sure they screw the voters, and him, and anyone around him, by any means necessary!
When people tell you who they are, believe them!
MAGA or bust!!!
Casey DeSantis appeared on Fox News and called on people from OTHER STATES to participate in the Iowa caucus. She told the listeners that you don’t have to be a resident of Iowa to vote in the Iowa caucus.
Desperation, anyone?
Was she wearing her South Georgia deer camp hooker outfit?
Dressed in all BLACK. 🤔🤔🤔
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
When Afghanistan fell and the Taliban tweeted themselves making fun of Joe Biden as they were eating ice cream cones are the same people responsible for this.
Everyone has egg on their face except President Trump. This was epic. They all appear incompetent because they are.
I would like to announce that I too will be holding a Republican debate. It will be in the basement of my house. So far, Ron DeSantis has already committed to attend. In fact, he called me back ten minutes later asking when we will do the debate. I told him whenever he is available. He asked for tonight but I told him I needed to work out a few more details and get the other three horsemen, War, Famine and Conquest to commit. He called back again and asked about tomorrow night. I had to tell him I will call him with the date and he should stop bothering me. Nikki Haley is checking with her handlers and if there is no other place that she can encourage the US to bomb then she will likely attend. Chris Christie said he will attend if there are donuts and if he can have a full ten minutes to just lie nonstop about Trump and then throttle the “obnoxious little bastard”. I confirmed that we will have donuts and this will be a full contact debate. I called Ramaswammy but apparently his phone is forwarded to Klaus Schwab. Mr. Schwab said that Vivek is undergoing some reprogramming and he will let me know when the update is complete. MSNBC has volunteered to broadcast the debate with Chris Hayes as a moderator and her husband Rachel Maddow as the other moderator. Stay tuned for more details.
Sorry to break it to you but Nikki will be a no show for your basement debate. CNN just reported that Nikki convinced the pentagon to bomb Grenada. Well good luck with your basement debate. Make sure to put butter all over your doorways so Chris can get inside.
Yes yes! The Four Horseman!
War is NeoCon Nikki
Famine is Christy — famine for we serfs, not him and the global elite.
Death is DeSaster because that is what he will bring if we elect him.
Conquest is Rama-whatever because, as you rightly point out, that his what his New World Order masters desire.
This is why I CUT THE CORD in 2006!! B.S.
Merry Christmas President Trump!
If you think back to early 2016, there was a moment, I think after New Hampshire when it was as if a switch was thrown. All of the Republicans left started fighting like Democrats. “Show us your taxes!”, the Cory Lewandiwski “battery” thing, the David Duke thing. Sex scandals. All pages torn from the Democrat and Government Party playbook.
That’s what it is happening now. A switch has been thrown. Like when Romney said he’d vote for a Democrat over Trump. It’s the Great Realignment playing out. Those clowns are going on CNN just like Conservative Inc grifters like Jonah Goldberg did. Slinking back to their true allegiances.
If this story plays out like past ones, we’ll learn that Rona McDaniel orchestrated the CNN debates without RNC participation. (Or they participated, but will say Rona went rogue.) I’m not 100% on that, but we’ve seen them do things like this before.
See also: Sundance’s clip of McCarthy. What he’s saying in that clip is “I’m not a Republican. I’m a Democrat. Because they ‘look like America’.”
I fully expect a lot of these traitors to switch parties to the Democrats when Trump wins.
This us one of May reasons I CUT THE CORD in 2005!
Why would those networks- cnn/ abc even want to hold a Republican debate? Their audience won’t watch it either. 🤷🏼♀️
It’s fun to watch and these people are not dumb. What the hell are they thinking. Like they say “Any publicity good or bad”
We’ll just call this the airport debate. God help you if you are traveling that day.
I believe the RNC was in bed with CNN but pretend not to know,
CNN punked DeSantis. We will see if the other three bite. They wld be smart not to.
We are constantly told how deep and wide is the Republican bench. Not true. Just a trio of desperate pols ready to do whatever their puppetmasters say. (Ranaswamy is not a politician).
The other three represent the desperation of the R wing of the uniparty to maintain ante status quo.
They hate Ramaswamy as much as they hate Trump. He is already rich. He can’t be bought.
Ummmm, Vivek is in bed with Herr Schwab.
He is a WEF plant.
Yo, get with the program my friend.
A new Vivid RATaSHITty promoter?
Megan Kelly should’ve asked Christy…” boxers or briefs” 🤣🤣
I feel like Viveke’s strategy at this point is to drop dramatic red pill turds into the debate stage’s punch bowl. He’s doing as much to expose the rot as any media organization, and it’s entertaining in a LOL-Jerry Springer sort of way. Give him a mic as often as he wants it!
It’s worth watching to see slicky Nikki grind her teeth at ramswammy…
They want to rehabilitate Nikki after her disastrous performance.
“We have held four suckcesspool debates across the country with the most cuckcolded partners in the history of a Republican primary”. Fixed it. What a pitiful bunch of grifters. My five year old great nephew can lie better than that. But by all means keep burning through those scumbag globalist’s money. No pride no shame.
Rona is part of the steal to block Trump.
She needs to be ousted ASAP!!!
If NBC cared about ratings, they would schedule a Celebrity Apprentice reunion show at the same time. Let President Trump, John Rich and any other MAGA contestants debate Geraldo, Piers Morgan, and all the other losers who distanced themselves over the last eight years. That would be Must See TV.
This is so pathetic! Good grief, do they think the voters don’t see what is happening? And if the “candidates” are so flippin’ stupid as to continue subjecting themselves to diminishing ratings, then they don’t deserve a venue to speak.
After all, in this country, runner-up still means “loser”
“If you ain’t first, you’re last!” — Ricky Bobby