Several people have pointed out this conversation between Joe Rogan and Twitter owner Elon Musk. There are a couple of interesting aspects to the conversation; one of the more interesting is not generally being noticed.
The primary point, raised by many, is how Elon Musk discusses the scale and scope of U.S. government involvement in the operation of Twitter as an information and discussion platform. Almost all of those making this note are unfamiliar with our multi-year research and outlines long before Elon Musk entered the picture.
As affirmed during the conversation, the FBI and various government agencies, under the auspices of the Dept of Homeland Security (DHS), were in a direct relationship with Twitter offices to control information on the platform. This is not a surprise to CTH readers. The instructions on content removal, content moderation, and demands to remove accounts, were part of the DHS broader initiative to control information. This part of the discussion begins at 05:46, prompted. WATCH:
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While the govt involvement in the operation of Twitter is interesting, readers here will not be surprised. However, there is a statement by Joe Rogan, at 11:40, that seems to fly under the radar, even to Elon Musk, that deserves an equal amount of attention.
In response to Musk saying the ratio of censorship on the Twitter platform was a multiple of 10 times greater for “right-wing” or centrist views, Rogan ponders how and why accounts like the Taliban were not removed. Thus, yet again, the issue that brought me to the political sphere many decades ago surfaces.
The Taliban, as a totalitarian ideology, is not on the right side of the political continuum. Totalitarianism, or the presence of big oppressive government, falls on the left side of the political continuum. The far-left is totalitarianism. The furthest right is the absence of government. This is an ideological mistake that happens frequently and needs to be addressed when the mistake is made.
When the Chinese Communist Party cracked down on the student activists in Tiananmen Square, China, most of the political analysis and media pundits got it totally wrong in their discussion. It was not a “hard-right” reaction by the Chinese government, it was an actionable shift to the far-left, toward total government control.
Like the Chinese communist regime, the ideology of Hamas, Hezbollah, al-Qaeda, the Taliban, the Muslim Brotherhood et al, is left-wing extremism. The government – or controlling, totalitarian, oppressive ruling authority – controls the lives of the people subjected to it. This is a far-left big government worldview.
Oppressive government is on the left side of the freedom continuum. That’s why the further left the Democrat Party goes, the more oppressive the government control becomes. Democrats are leftists, and the leftists believe in socialism (big govt), communism (bigger govt), and eventually totalitarianism (total govt). Each shift is a move further to the left, further toward oppressive government.
The absence of government, individual liberty and freedom, is on the right side of the continuum. Federalism (local govt), Republicanism (limited federal govt), Libertarianism (even less govt), and eventually anarchy (no govt or control authority) are on the right side of the freedom continuum.
As noted by the reference point of Joe Rogan, almost every pundit makes this common and fundamental mistake. That’s why Rogan was having difficulty reconciling the Taliban being allowed on Twitter, when the reality is – the Taliban are on Twitter because they are in alignment with big oppressive, controlling government. That is their central alignment.
Understanding this core distinction, this fundamental flaw as espoused by so many, is what brought me into the world of politics a long time ago.
When “Republicans” want bigger government, they are “Democrats.”
MAGA 👊👊🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🙏🏻🙏🏻❤️❤️
“When “Republicans” want bigger government, they are “Democrats.””
And so the “RINO” was born?!
psychopathic power mongers only have two viable choices for the pathway to power. if they dont pick dem, they pick repube.
Seems to me that most “Republicans” in Congress are “Democrats” as more spending = bigger government!!! How else to explain how Biden got his massive wasteful New Green Deal passed? Annual trillion dollar deficits require no opposition party!!!
Under our American system, historically the battle would have been described as between “Federalists” and “Liberals.” Federalists wanting a strong central government while liberals wanted a government as weak as possible while still functioning. The core issues always centered around individual liberties. Somewhere along the line in the last 50 or 60 years the language has been changed as Marxists always do. Since Marxism is a European construct and anathema to the US Constitution and political thought, The Marxists needed to change their image for marketing in the US, so they imported their own European terms that being “left” and “right.”
The European definition were “left” signifies Communism and “right” signifies Fascism. The Marxists used these terms in America to give the leftist equivalency in the minds of the ignorant, i.e “one side of the same coin.” That of course is idiocy. Leftism is Marxism in one form of or another. Media and fools use “right wing” to describe anyone who supports the Constitution. Which of course is even more idiotic. But I digress.
Rush, bless his soul made a mistake by letting dems claim the mantle of “liberal”
Yes, over 100 years ago I would have been a very liberal minded person. Then Franklin Roosevelt came along and changed the whole definition of Liberal to include himself and all of his Democrat followers. Now, smarmy Democrats line up to identify as Liberals and I am likely to be classified as an enemy of the State, because actual liberals are now Conservatives. This is a very confusing shift in the meaning of Liberals makes reading 100 year old political history more difficult. All of this was done according to the Communist playbook.
Keep in mind that the “Progressive” Left’s censorship isn’t as much about silencing conservative voices as it is about keeping their low info base from hearing them.
That old saying:
“Keep ‘em dumb & keep ‘em democrat”
…… didn’t get to be an old saying for nothing.
This is the same motive and mentality exhibited by slaveholders who wouldn’t allow their slaves to read, write or own books.
There’s nothing new under the Sun including the evil inclinations of man.
You too, Sundance. We know what you did last summer…
A simple and clairvoyant explanation (great overview) covering the spectrum of politics and ruling, Sundance…
Yes, it is. Well-put.
Churchill called Nazism and Communism the same thing, spelt differently. Globalists don’t mind either, as long as they can steal equally.
Lack of government does not lead to individual freedom and liberty. It leads to things like mob rule and “might makes right.”
In a lawless society, the vulnerable and marginalized, oppressed by their fellow citizens, end up with no ability to exercise individual liberty and freedom.
Do I want less corruption in government? Yes. Less bloat? Yes. But I still want the good parts of government to remain.
Size and scale of government matters. Counties and townships used to be fine. Then they got gobbled up by cities, then the cities managed the states. Then the Feds created fiat money to bribe the states. Don’t equate lawless society with smaller government. Lawless does not mean small government.
Might makes right, lawless society, mob rule are all hallmarks of today’s USA. A gigantic government. Go ahead, challenge it, here or overseas, to learn the meaning of might makes relight.
I’ve mentioned this often, the only reason our government worked was because God was in the hearts and minds of the majority of citizens and government officials. You put God in front of any government and it will thrive. The principles of God are others are always first. How can anything fail with that effort first? It can’t.
Let’s say a group of people lived in a place of extreme cold. Their habits and bodies adapt to deal with this cold. Take them out of the cold and put them in Florida or California and over time they change habits and body functions, that’s America.
God with us was how and why we survived, he was always in our thoughts, close, and his principles work. As our need for God to guide us in perilous conditions waned or reduced we thought less of him. We knew how important his teachings were and passed them to our children as precious possessions, and it kept them alive and well.
What we are today is “hard ground” the plow Will soon enter and our lives will once again seek out God. Sucks!
We have bags and bags of good seed that goes to rot each day because we lost our way, seed that was intended to save this world instead it sits in the barns of the corrupt, evil men and women of our nations.
That seed is our futures, our child’s future, our worlds future, and it could bring miracles that would resonate for eternity. You may think it’s money but money is seed, as is thoughts, beliefs, actions, intentions are nothing. In my mind, that’s the tragedy. All will be lost on evil men and women who see nothing, know nothing and sit in high places. It doesn’t take a smart man to follow demons or the demonic, it is a weak man. A man with no chest.
We actually have a lawless society right now and anyone who does not embrace “wokethink” is vulnerable to being oppressed by their fellow citizens.
At the same time, taxes have never been higher, utilities have never been as expensive, and “rules” established by unelected bureaucrats have never been more oppressive at the local level.
I was once threatened by the Verizon Communications Human Resources Department and Legal when I expressed support of the NYPD being able to protect themselves during the ‘George Floyd Summer of Love Riots’. How it ended is that I promised that if they did not back off then I would take all of this onto the Mark Levin Radio Show and Fox that evening as well as staying off of Twitter. The left in this country controls the corporations and the media and needs to be brought down!
Elon has fallen far from the Shiny New Thing he was to some when he first bought the Blue Bird Of Fascism.
It’s actually more of a slide, not a fall, I guess. It struck me that he kept repeating there was an “Old Twitter” before him that was somehow different. He also stayed far far away from the gummint angle that Rogan brought up.
To all evidence, only a new layer of pretending has been added.
Yes but Elon is gaining more wisdom every day and if he essentially brings back a middle ground of thinkers who can be on both sides of political spectrum, that’s not a bad thing.
So, instead of CONmunist Twitter, he gives us Socialist “X”, and this is supposed to be an acceptable improvement?
Sounds an awfyl lot like “Vote for the RINO, cause the Dem is WORSE!”
Socialism is just ‘soft’ Conmunism, RINO is DEM policy advancement while protesting it verbally, and “X” is only a facelift on the 70 y.o. hasbeen actress, and then trying to cast her in a movie starlet role written for a 20 y.o.
Much like replacing McCarthy with Johnson,..a distinction without a difference.
Give me a break,…just tear it all down.
Bingo.
“Tell Mr. DeMille that I am ready for my closeup.”
also, fascism and socialism are two sides of the same coin.
socialism + illusion of free market enterprise= fascism.
demmorhoids like to conflate racism and fascism, but racism is just a flavor that can be applied to any kind of governing system.
i.e. the nazis were just racist socialists with the illusion of free market.
then you always get the confused saying, “but the nazis and communists faught each other. they are opposite.” stupid. the history of the worlds wars are not good vs evil. they are evil vs evil. yes. USG sided with evil in WWII.
“The goal of Socialism is Communism.”
Socialism is Communism before the bullets are added.
A socialist is a communist without a gun.
The leftist Political Science crowd pushes the “horseshoe” or “circle” theory nonsense that argues the far right and far left meet or come close to meeting on either temperament or governance ideology. Total nonsense. Similarly, they claim the Republican and Democrat politicians essentially switched places after Reconstruction, which is demonstrably false.
Think of political ideology as a clock. This group of deep thinkers put “the elite” at 12 o’clock, the far left at 8 o’clock and the far right at 5:59. Only “the elite” (the Uniparty) have the temperament, intelligence and judgement to make the big decisions. “Moderation”, “bipartisanship” and being “the adult in the room” are virtues. Honesty, integrity and respect for the voters are not their concern. Nor are the price of lattes in Davos and Beef Wellington at Bilderberg.
Rational people think true conservatives (i.e. not Bush, Ryan, Romney, McConnell, Rove, et al.) are at 12 o/clock and Democrats, Socialists and Communists are at 6 o’clock. Diametrically opposed to one another. The problem is that the GOPe and its donors are wherever they need to be to get more money, and they’re never near 12 o’clock, even on social issues.
Trump exposed a lot of frauds in politics, the media, culture and elsewhere. That’s why they fear him like no other before him.
It is not a circle but more like a loop or a continuum. That is not leftist propaganda. Look at the end result of either dominant ideology when pushed to its limit. Marx and Hegel both envisioned a society that culminates from “the overthrow of all existing social and political order.” Or, everyone does what is right in their own eyes. Same as the far right libertarian. In a similar fashion, modern communists presuppose capitalism will develop technology to the point that work will no longer be necessary. In their view machines will do all the work and AI will do all of the planning and allocation of labor and resources. Likewise, history. History is not a linear line. It is more akin to a coil. Which is why the preacher of Proverbs can confidently proclaim “there is nothing new under the sun.”
God gave us all the power of discernment. “Educationists” goal is to remove that by training kids what to think and not how to think.
SpaceX is another example of Musk’s diversionary role.
Very few agencies have been awarded more money in their history than NASA. Soon to be in the trillions.
Since around 2014 and the upcoming 50th anniversary of the “Moon landing” and blm president obama changing NASA into a public outreach program, the young generation began researching and started asking questions that journalists in the 60’s and 70’s should have had the curiosity to ask.
Does anyone in their logical mind think that Elon Musk actually launched a Tesla into space?
“It’s so fake looking. That’s how we know it’s real.” 👈 Musk’s own smirking quote.
They need to keep us small and insignificant. If we were placed here by a Creator, that means we are here for a purpose and are special.
Sundance has it right when he says “Get right with God.” Ultimately that’s what this battle is about.
FTA: “When the Chinese Communist Party cracked down on the student activists in Tiananmen Square, China, most of the political analysis and media pundits got it totally wrong in their discussion.”
Mister Sundance, I do not believe the analysts & pundits ‘got it wrong.’ I do believe they lied. Communist Democrats in the U.S.A. have been lying about the totalitarian goal of their politics since Karl Marx wrote their Manifesto. Environmental Social Governance and Diversity Inclusion Equity add up to totalitarian communist rule. That is and always has been the Communist Democrat goal. Chuck Schumer is their role model…
Excellent. This comes up all the time when the left tries to paint Nazi’s as far right or vice versa, and most recently calling Israel Nazi’s. They ignore Ukraine’s sympathy with Nazi’s and very interestingly almost never speak the names of the worlds worst demons in the form of communists and totalitarians.
As far as Twitter, I have to wonder where the leftists have gone now to censor. Don’t do any social media but have they moved all in on Fakebook or something else no one is aware of?
A good percentage of the guards working security at the Nazi concentration camps were Ukrainians.
Why is Rogan wearing a wig?
Halloween broadcast.
Halloween?
Halloween.
Of course.
There is NO difference between communism, fascism, marxism, nazisism, progressivism and socialism, they are all rebranded FEUDALISM
There are only two forms of social order….either you have Property Rights, Free Speech and rule by informed consent….or you DO NOT
I think you can add globalism to that list. They want us without any energy or ability to leave our hamlet. Eating whatever minimal scraps we are given and toiling all day waiting for our next death shot.
The Degree to Which Twitter Was an Arm of the Govt
Is or was
Is Elons’ answer doublespeak? He’s saying Twitter “was”. I don’t recall him pronouncing that X “isn’t” an arm of the gubbiment.
Find another hero to worship before it gets embarrassing.
You obviously took my comment the wrong way MP. I was calling Elon out, not you. Hence your edit I assume. That was my point also. BD
I wasnt sure what you were implying. My comments was for anyone who is thinking of dropping their guard on Elon Musk.
I beg your pardon on the edit comment. I must have missed your “Is or Was” under the first line of your post. Apologies on that part. BD
Spot on as usual Sundance. However, please consider that political thought/ideology is not a linear line. It is a loop. Hence, the ultimate end of the International Manifesto (Marxism/communism) is the absence of government. Same as the anarchist. Which is perhaps one of the most interesting dynamics left untouched over the last few years. Antifa (far left on the spectrum) is essentially the same as an ultra-libertarian (far right). Everyone does what is right in their own mind. We witnessed this at the J6 events. The only difference is how the two groups were treated by those with the power to prosecute and persecute. It is always the peak of irony when we witness hard right anarchists (for example, outlaw bikers) square off with Antifa. In the end, they both serve the same master. God created order out of chaos and tasked humanity with maintaining that order. Humanity failed bigly on three distinct occasions. But because God is long suffering (literally “long in the nose” according to Hebrew idiom) He remains faithful, even as far as death on a cross. Now the church is tasked with restoring order from chaos. I’ve read the book. Spoiler alert — God wins in the end.
I still don’t understand how so many people can self conform to this idiotic woke leftist ideology though. All you have to do to resist this madness is to use common sense and think for yourself instead of blindly following the group. It’s not even moderately hard to do if you have a heart and a soul.
Thus, those of who do not bother with twits.
As Glenn Beck pointed out, the left will say something is Untrue, Untrue Untrue…and then when it’s proven absolutely true, the left will then say, Doesn’t Matter.
Many of us fell into this same pattern before we knew the forces at work in our government.
So when the left accurately pointed out that Bush and company were bad guys, we ignored the evidence, because it came from the left.
To follow, now many on the left won’t use Twitter, because Muck is involved, who they used to glorify, but Musk became an enemy of the left when he allowed moderate voices to remain online.
I have heard this criticism of Musk from a Tesla owner and electrical engineer trying to reduce his ‘Carbon Footprint’ by buying the Tesla and composting and keeping his electric stove.
Hitler in his autobiography said he was influenced by the American Left. He is always categorized as “right wing” which is not correct.
Same thing with Fascism. Most people think of fascism as an opposite to communism, with communism being a form of left-wing totalitarianism and fascism being a form of right-wing totalitarianism. Nazis (the most successful fascists) were National SOCIALISTS. Communists, Marxists, and Fascists are ideologies all cut from the same cloth.
If you had to live in either on the spectrum, would it be anarchy or totalitarian?
The argument is that “anarchy =chaos” but thats only true when you have “civilisation” which Archeologists, who STUDY civilisations, define as a group of humans who teject the Hunter/gatherer lifestyle, and instead SETTLE permanently in one location.
This one decision leads inevitably to many others, the cumulative result being what we call “civilisation”.
Point is, hunter/gatherer societies thrive with what we would call ‘anarchy’ or certainly a very minimal system of governance, and one that is totally “local”.
Anarchy is NOT the chaos its portrayed as.
Not certain. These are often socialist or feudal systems as what almost killed the pilgrims.
It is not about “left” and “right”, or “blue” and “red”
Actions are made with a specific outcome in mind
Ask yourself how many lobbyists are in DC and the EU lobbying for actions that improve actions on Freedom and Democracy and uphold and respect civil rights?
I bet I can count them on 1 hand.
Then ask yourself how many there would be peddling actions in favor of their technological tyranny solutions, pharma democide, digital dragnet products, military hardware sales, climate taxes peddling, banking cartel inflation?
You as a citizen have certain wants, and you vote with those wants in mind… normally ONCE in 4 years.
The people selling the above “vote” and “bribes” vote every single day of the year with their lobby cash.
Combine with that generally no political vision or backbone (This is why they hate Trump so much because he has a “business plan”) and highest briber wins — or the one having the most compromising material on someone.
Now you see why the world is in such a mess. Most people vote with an idea of having a good life, least government interference, be able to raise a family in peace. The money however flows to BIG government, sheeple democide, stealing your money and making your life generally a hell.
Elon is a little messed up.
A year ago DeSantis appeared to be the MAGA heir apparent. His image building had not yet crashed into reality and to people outside of Florida Ron’s MAGA bona fides looked solid. Remember how upset everyone got when Trump attacked DeSantis, worried it would split MAGA?
Remember how surprising it was when Sundance revealed that Ron is a phony?
Oh yes I remember…not everyone got upset but the ones who did either found a safe space somewhere or simply found something else to get upset about. Like anyone who points out the true reality of Elon Musk ,RFK Jr, Rand Paul, Jim Jordan, Mike Johnson, Tucker Carlson, etc..etc..
This is how Lucy always gets Charlie Brown btw…
Thanks for the reminder.
DeSantis was never MAGA.
So the transhumanism satanic figure has become a hero for the cuckservatives, lol.
“You and I are told increasingly we have to choose between a left or right. Well I’d like to suggest there is no such thing as a left or right. There’s only an up or down: up to man’s age-old dream, the ultimate in individual freedom consistent with law and order, or down to the ant heap of totalitarianism. And regardless of their sincerity, their humanitarian motives, those who would trade our freedom for security have embarked on this downward course.”–Ronald Reagan – A Time For Choosing | The Patriot Post
I suggest an alternate theory: The IC has different goals in mind for domestic political opposition vs. hostile foreign actors.
Allowing accounts of real threats to remain on the platform is a good way to monitor them, especially if the IC has backdoor access to DM’s and other supposedly “private” communications. A sophisticated actor knows better than to compromise operational security but this is not necessarily true of their followers. Indeed – knowing which users follow these accounts is an easy way to identify potential threats.
Domestic political control takes the opposite view. The IC isn’t trying to identify violent threats to disrupt terror attacks, they’re controlling information that undermines regime propaganda. Squelching dissent and controlling how information is shared outside of official channels entails suspending accounts of effective communicators and softer measures such as shadow banning.
Different threats, different approaches, different outcomes.
I thought the entire conversation was troubling.
It is so clear that Elon has little understanding of our Constitutional protections.
Also, why does Elon believe this whole censorship drive is limited to SF and Berkeley?
And as the UN mangles everything towards totalitarianism, how does he believe THAT is the model for freedom of speech? Save for the Taliban…
Wow, count me out.
Elon did grasp how Soros had bypassed bribing many lawmakers by purchasing individual prosecutors outright–thus unleashing a Crime Wave.
What he didn’t mention: this is also how Soros Rigs Elections. Instead of funding campaigns to convine millions of voters, he simply buys the Election Officials like Jena Griswold, among many others.
This is the Criminal Arc of his career, whether manipulating currencies or helping the Reich steal Nazi Art from the Jews.
Isaiah 1
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Your silver has become dross,
Your drink diluted with water.
23
Your rulers are rebels
And companions of thieves;
Everyone loves a bribe
And chases after rewards.
They do not defend the orphan,
Nor does the widow’s plea come before them.
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Therefore the Lord God of hosts,
The Mighty One of Israel, declares,
“Ah, I will be relieved of My adversaries
And avenge Myself on My foes.
Yes, Lord!
All true!
“Instead of funding campaigns to convine millions of voters, he simply buys the Election Officials………..”
It’s not the votes that count, it’s who counts the votes.
-read that in some history book
That was Stalin quoting Biden.
LOL!
THANK YOU, SUNDANCE!!
You be right Sundance. I have believed these ” social media sites ” were created by the government. The little dweebs that had learned some programming where initiated into the intelligent services (CIA/DARPA) and have been following their orders. Everyone on those sites have been telling the government everything about their lives and the gov stores it all in Utah. They can tell you what you where doing on this day 10 years ago, what you said what you did and you would not even remember any of it.
You can call the Taliban Man a kissa$$ nightgown wearing sellouts. The Taliban Man is the Man, he is no longer a rebel.
…and then ask Elon about his other businesses.
“As affirmed during the conversation, the FBI and various government agencies, under the auspices of the Dept of Homeland Security (DHS), were in a direct relationship with Twitter offices to control information on the platform. “
Textbook merger of state and corporate power, aka corpratism, aka fascism.
Ben’s best cartoon ever. He nails it.
Elon sure skirted the Taliban question in a weird analogy,
Elon is weird.
Thank you for that clarification. I’ve seen way too many conservatives falling for that lie and arguing with Lefties the wrong wrong way.
Here’s info on the alternative to socialism/collectivism (and all the variants, including fascism, communism):
“Capitalism is a social system based on the recognition of individual rights, including property rights, in which all property is privately owned.
The recognition of individual rights entails the banishment of physical force from human relationships: basically, rights can be violated only by means of force. In a capitalist society, no man or group may initiate the use of physical force against others. The only function of the government, in such a society, is the task of protecting man’s rights, i.e., the task of protecting him from physical force; the government acts as the agent of man’s right of self-defense, and may use force only in retaliation and only against those who initiate its use; thus, the government is the means of placing the retaliatory use of force under objective control.”
– “What is Capitalism” from Capitalism, the Unknown Ideal. by Ayn Rand.
And yet, we still don’t know WHO in the FBI, DOJ, DHS or any other agency were the ones meeting with, texting, calling, emailing, etc etc the Twitter nerds.
We only know….the FBI met/spoke with Twitter. Well, the FBI is a thing. A thing doesn’t call, meet with, text, email or message.
It sure would be nice to know who in those agencies are so maybe, one day, they can be asked what they did, why they did it, and who told them to do it.
Nahhhhh….can’t have that, can we.