Again, something not feeling right about this story from The Daily Mail relay. Apparently, at some recent moment before the October 7, 2023 Hamas terrorist attack, a reporter from Russia Today was given a tour of Hamas tunnels below Gaza. According to the article, there are approximately 300 miles of the tunnels, with some reaching 200 ft below the surface.
The engineering to build tunnels at a depth of 200 ft (60 meters) below the surface is a remarkable claim (think proximity to sea level). The scale of the tunnels at 300 miles under such a small geographic region is another element that seems quite remarkable. The report, originating from Russia Today, coming on the heels of western intelligence trying to frame Russia in connection to an alignment with Hamas, puts another element into the Suspicious Cat review. The report almost seems too defensive and conveniently timed. That said, it’s not impossible, just remarkable if true.
(Via Daily Mail) – […] A Russia Today (RT) reporter was allowed a rare visit inside the so-called ‘Gaza Metro’ which snakes for up to 300 miles under the war-torn enclave.
As the clip emerged, senior Hamas official Mousa Abu Marzouk was asked by another RT interviewer why they didn’t allow the beleaguered civilian population to shelter from the bombing in the tunnels.
His reply spoke volumes: ‘Protecting Gaza civilians is the responsibility of the UN and Israel…We have built the tunnels to protect ourselves from getting targeted and killed. These are meant to protect us from the airplanes.’
The RT journalist entered the network by being lowered by an electric hoist 200ft (60m) below the ground.
[…] Hamas’s military engineers have become skilled at rigging up the concrete-lined tunnels and installing ventilation, electric lighting and telephone lines, all of which can be seen as the reporter makes his way among the terrorists.
Terrorists can also be seen running along the tunnels in the film carrying weapons and meanwhile others are digging by hand to extend the network still further. (read more)
If Hamas is indeed this dug in, (a) that means they have spent an incredible amount of time and money building this labyrinth; and (b) that would also explain the extreme dangers of this kind of warfare. Even bunker busting bombs would have difficulty with this claimed scale of depth.
Quite remarkable if true.
For that reason, in combination with the accepted psychological warfare that surrounds both the Ukraine war narrative and the Israeli war Gaza narrative, Engineering Suspicious Cat remains, well, suspicious…
The Israeli unit that specializes in tunnel warfare is known in Hebrew as the weasels.
Wow. How many suspicious cats are there now? Highly suspicious.
I count 4. Four felines. Fabulous!
Lots of little cats and kittens. 😉
And Hamas are known as moles.
There is a very easy way to deal with this sort of thing. Throw a large hose in there and turn on the spigot.
That would be a fuel hose, wouldn’t it?
“No Para Fumar”
Peter Navarro said Egypt tried flooding the tunnel entrances into Egypt and failed, some years ago.
Should have used VX, not water.
Apparently they have been considering it.
If caught doing it, in violation of every chemical weapons treaty and human rights treaty that exists, they instantly Saddam Hussein level themselves, there will be pictures of dead children and babies, same as the attack in the Kurds (assuming that actually happened, these days who knows).
Not a cost free choice.
There’s a reason the Russians didn’t use nerve gas or other chemical weapons on Azovstal.
I read somewhere that Russia used aerosolized fentanyl at the Beslan school massacre to free the hostages and kill the terrorists.
They had Narcan on hand to savethe children and teachers
I think you are thinking of the Moscow theater attack? They pumped in a chemical mist designed to put people out, but not kill. Then when everyone was unconscious they sent in their forces.
It didn’t work well because you can’t calibrate it that finely. A good number of the hostages died from what they pumped in.
I’m not sure they would make the same choice again.
That was aerosolised valium, and no it didn’t work “very well” for just the reason you say…
They did once on a theater full of kidnappers and hostages. Killed everyone, and took some heat.
My friend spoke about robbers going through sleeping cars in trains in Europe and knocking out the passengers with chloroform to rob them. They did this routinely.
Maybe would-be rescuers need to adjust the materials they use, as well as the dosage, if they want to put people to sleep so they can rescue the hostages.
Use sea water pumped in from the Mediterranean sea
Or poison gas
I think Egypt did manage to flood some tunnels and bombed the others
I think I read some reporting recently – DailyMail? where the infographic showed expandable foam being pumped in to tunnels and sealing them up. Who knows what kind of gasses that gives off in its chemical reactions. One never knows.
Israel could dig a canal a few miles inland claiming it is to help the Hamastinians with a new Mediterranean port. If they should happen to accidentally break in to a tunnel then it could lower the sea level making the climate alarmists happy.
Yessir! Flood it!
And Hamas got the money for building this subterranean Mecca from who? Would the Palestinians be better off if Hamas hadn’t stolen their welfare checks given by working people?
America Deep State.
Clowns In America
remember the quip:
Q: whats the best way to contribute to terrorist causes?
A: pay your income taxes.
” Since April 2021, the United States has provided over half a billion dollars in assistance for the Palestinians, including more than $417 million in humanitarian assistance for Palestinian refugees through UNRWA, $75 million in support through USAID, and $20.5 million in COVID and Gaza recovery assistance.
The U.S. government plans to provide an additional $75 million in economic assistance to the Palestinian people this year. Additionally, the United States is also providing $45 million for programs to support the security sector including important improvements to the rule of law. ”
https://www.state.gov/u-s-support-for-the-palestinian-people/
All the terrorist loving business owners in the United States. We do business with them, give them our hard earned money, and they send it back to support the cause of killing the infidel.
If true, it also shows that war is the only aim of Hamas.
They are terrorists, let’s call them what they are.
Probably exaggerated but still a remarkable accomplishment. Too bad though that Hamas has locked themselves underground. It’d be a shame if the IDF bunged up the exit shafts.
Cutting off electricity, and denying entry of fuel for generators, would substantially degrade their ability to survive deep underground, if they can’t ventilate, they can’t count on a Mediterranean breeze to provide them oxygen.
Maybe Isreal should get those ultra high frequency weapons used against US personnel in both Cuba and China. Guessing those types of waves would travel pretty well in concrete lined tunnels
Good idea! I wonder about the sound waves bouncing off the narrow tunnel walls…might be very effective….?
Soliciting comments from the engineer types out there?
Yeah, I Nowat Yameen. Sundance mentioned how difficult it would be to blow up all those tunnels, even with bunker busters.
You make a good point. The tunnels don’t have to be blown up. Just the entrances, exits, and air shafts.
Bonus! A two-state solution! Israel gets all the land above ground in Gaza. The ‘Palestinians’ get everything 20 feet and lower below Gaza. Oxygen to the tunnels is negotiable. I suspect the Israelis would stretch out negotiations for… as long as it takes.
Theyr’e doing that with sponge bombs–a substance that hardens and blocks off the tunnels
The Gaza Strip is about 25 miles from north to south boundary. That would mean twelve tunnel’s from north to south… hmmmmmmm? Wonder what a tunnel engineer would have to say about digging in that environment on the Negev desert… I wonder where the water table is at that close to the coast? Just curious…
Read up on the Ch Chi tunnels in Viet Nam, and Operation Crimp. This may put what we are seeing in Gaza in some perspective.
Incredible tunneling machines now; see CERN.
Hidden/unpublicized tech.
From 2018:
“Army Is Spending Half a Billion to Train Soldiers to Fight Underground”
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2018/06/24/army-spending-half-billion-train-troops-fight-underground.html
Interesting.
Exactly. I’m by a huge base and training for years now.
Sounds like 81 million votes talk to me
Not sure what you mean, MP.
Sorry, I meant its almost as unbelievable as the story about Joey getting 81 million votes. a.k.a. fake news…
Install a Clown – Expect a Circus
Sundance, this accords with the Peter Navarro and Steve Bannon discussion last week.
My belief is that this information is correct.
Do you remember the question President Trump asked Biden at the second debate?
“Who built the cages, Joe?”
Maybe the best question is not WHETHER the tunnels exist, but
“Who built the tunnels, Bibi?”
If anyone thinks a bunch of poor Palestinians built those tunnels that deep and that extensive, and kept it all a secret from Israel until now, I’ve got a bridge to sell you.
Odds those same kinds of tunnels exist under the West Bank and have guarded ingress and egress underground into Israel, guarded by a select few?
Pretty damned good.
Israel has its own DS, working for its own globalist purposes.
And I suspect the West Bank is a WEF dream come true, in EVERY way.
In every way. Including the uses of children.
Maybe tin foil hat time, but we will see.
I agree. This is a turtle on a fencepost, and some NETWORK of rich and powerful people enabled the development of these tunnels.
Just like Sundance previous [now bookmarked article] pointing how deeply against us the FBI clearly and undeniably is against everything the U.S. stands for, the existence of these tunnels undeniably screams the existence of enemies throughout the world involved in supporting and covering it up.
That newtork must become known, understood, busted up, and neutralized.
Innocent Israeli warriors will die being ambushed by an enemy more vast and also part of their homeland than they ever realized.
Innocent American and freeworld warriors were ambushed by enemies hiding among not just their own country, but part of their leaders. Just like our SEAL team six was ambushed by the Muslim Commander in Chief, while he pretended to be leading and protecting our country and Constitution.
Whether Trump wins or not, we must now be organizing with the same humbly divinely led wisdom as Trumps wolverines suppressed our enemies without and withing with his economic warfare.
Every citizen must in every way possible quit supporting the larger Treasonous portion of our government and economy, and investing at warp speed with everything we have, networks to uncover the truth and take down our enemy within.
The best defensive protection of the body against infection and cancer is the immune system before it is present. The best offensive protection against infection and cancer when it is present is the immune system.
Trump cannot do it by himself. It is going to take the majority of the ~ 81 million.
Amen brother.
A little motivation.
And no one for years have seen the specialized equipment coming into Gaza to perform this work, nor anyone noticed the excavated dirt mounds all over a crowded area, nor the amount of excess concrete, rebar, etc above and beyond being used on construction above ground.
It took years with the most talented specialized construction teams in America to build the tunnel in Boston that only went a few miles.
Ain’t buying it.
Israel knows where some of the entrances are because it has tracked cement trucks by aerial surveillance.
^^^ Yes its true.
Gaza tunnels, terrorist infrastructure uncovered by Israeli geologist
The tunnels in Gaza initially had some basic characteristics in common with other excavation sites in Israel and elsewhere in the world, such as burial caves, mines, and hiding systems.
https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-770123
Over 500 km
It is your money that paid for the terrorists to build these
https://multitools.newscdn.com.au/multitools/slider/content/1697697761684/NED-10555-Hamas-Tunnels-Map_cGtwe-nNu.svg
Just as bad as our tax dollars paying for Planned Parenthood.
Well, maybe they can just use some more cement trucks to fill in those entrances/exits!
Are you sure?
How much don’t we know?
I can think of three uses of directed energy weapons in the US in the last six years (Maui, Nashville, George Floyd mural), but no one is about to admit they are in use.
What if the tunnels don’t begin and end in Gaza?
Three years ago almost none of us understood that decades of activity under the radar put an infrastructure in place that stole our elections out from under us for multiple cycles, because we were asleep.
What else have we missed?
Good points, but where is the excavated dirt?
Good question.
Lucky we probably have some civil engineers who could weigh in.
Funny you said that.
Scroll down thread. There’s a Treeper named Joetimestwo that says he is a professional certified civil engineer and is calling BS on this.
Many of the tunnels are built over hospitals, schools, apartments. Think the Great Escape. Where there is a will there is a way.
Tunnels are more likely “under” those structures instead of “over” them……. 😎
Living in west Kentucky I drive past mining infrastructure that delivers coal by underground belt conveyors from Illinois, under the Ohio River, to load-out ports on the Green River. Loaded in barges for delivery anywhere. Rip-rap, grains loaded onto barges tied together in the same way.
Deliver the dirt to a port on the sea and load a cargo freighter as per any other commodity-who would have watched?
Dump or unload, repeat as needed.
Where is dirt from the Mexican tunnels? CERN? I think the tunnel machine melts it.
We have missed more than we want to know.
Paradise, CA
Have not forgotten Paradise. What a cluster, anf all those people driven from their homes
I don’t think the locals here look at that Boston tunnel project, with its insane overruns, delays, and later glitches (concrete chunks landing on cars) as the result of “talented” constructed crews.
The talent among them – had to be some – seemed to be far exceeded and undone by the mountain of grift and corruption involved.
If the 300 miles of tunnels do not exist, then it is a paper tiger — easier to tear down. But tear it down we must.
BK don’t forget the spy satellites that can read your license plate or the house number on your mailbox. Building those tunnels I would think, would not have gone unnoticed?
Construction engineers, what do you say?
Stop being naive, the Vietcong did it all by hand, and no plane loads of money. Never underestimate the determination of those fighting for their beliefs.
Sorry, I forgot about all those VC tunnels 200m underground with 12’ wide x 8’ tall concrete reinforced walls and ceilings with electric hoists running up and down to them.
Retired Engineering Geologist/Geotechnical Engineer with tunnel experience. Based on the picture I estimate an excavated cross section of about 6×8 feet (to allow room for the observed lining). Thus about 2 cubic yards of spoil (loose measure) would be generated per foot of tunnel. That’s over 10000 cubic yards per mile.
Three hundred miles of tunnel would create about 30 million cubic yards of excavated dirt and rock. Some parts of the alleged system are probably smaller; some are surely bigger, but you get the point.
There are other issues, as others have noted (drainage and ventilation) but based on the quantity of excavated material alone I seriously doubt both the mileage and depth of the tunnel system. Not saying it’s impossible, just highly unlikely.
If Gtech is accurate, to put that in perspective, it’s almost 10 times bigger than the great pyramid of Giza.
https://www.themeasureofthings.com/results.php?search=30000000+cubic+yards&unit=cy&comp=volume&amt=30000000&searchTerm=30000000+cubic+yards
Flood the tunnels with salt water from the Mediterranean Sea nearby. It then destroys all fuel and weapons and drowns the “rats” trapped in the tunnels. If pumped under strong pressure, every place the salt water exits to the surface reveals all surface access locations.
And kills all the captured.
Sparing them decades of misery and abominable abuse.
Were I captured by Hamas I’d wish my location to be nuked as expeditiously as possible.
I suspect that with how the captured are treated
when alive, many would welcome death
They are pumping in purple smoke and seeing where it exits. Maybe the smoke has a radioactive tracer in it
Makes me wonder if Wray and Mayorkas are utilizing Hamas engineers to assist in building tunnels under that new FBI building they are planning. They want to live through whatever special events they are arranging for the rest of us.
There are more tunnels under DC and Virginia than 99% of the population knows about. Where do people think those “missing” billions went? Part went to Black projects under federal installations in several states. It’s hideous.
Civil War tunnels for the president to evacuate the White House
Water to sand field filtration from the 1800’s – next to Children’s Hospital in North East – for one large underground area. They used to allow tours one day a year.
And when they built the Metro system in the 1970’s – does anyone imagine there wasn’t a very large black budget component to all that excavating and tunnel construction?
Eloys and Morlocks,…nuff said?
Gas grenades?
Remember that the Viet Cong did something like that essentially using spoons.
Sea water works wonders in tunnels! Dirty up the ventilator shafts! Lots of possibilities here.
We’re gonna need a lot more Suspicious Cats ….
Looks like we’re going to have a whole colony of Suspicious Cats. Wondering what it will take for Dude Dog to show up!
If Hamas is indeed this dug in, (a) that means they have spent an incredible amount of time and money building this labyrinth; and (b) that would also explain the extreme dangers of this kind of warfare;
and (c) they sure as shootin’ didn’t build that thing by hiring the same bureaucrats that are responsible for the Boston “Big Dig”(although that would account for the incredible amounts of money spent………….)
It’s billionaire money from Switzerland or Sweden, I cannot recall the name but one brother makes the tunneling equipment and one makes pumping equipment. Involved with ghost ships off west Africa.
Hamas actually built Specter’s lair?
Thise tunnels are not built by hand. For one thing water seepage will compromise the effort. A lot of high tech engineering equipment and an army of pumps are required. 50 feet would be more like it, unless the tunnels are east of gaza in the Negav.
And when Israel shuts off all power to Gaza where do they get the power for those pumps ? I had a neighbor who had this great finished basement … until the power went out in a heavy rain and the sump pumps didn’t function. Talked me out of ever wanting a finished basement …
Only 11% of their electricity comes from Israel.
The rest comes from diesel generators, so they really should cut off all fuel as well.
That, and target generators, and fuel storage if possible.
During WWII the Japanese used Korean slave labor to dig miles of tunnels on islands such as Iwo Jima. The US marines and soldiers had their hands full. At that time flame throwers were eventually effective in sucking the oxygen from the tunnel systems. Explosives were used to seal them also. That may not work today, but being in tunnels underground might NOT be the most effective strategy. Attacking armies usually come up with effective counter measures to root out and eradicate the moles.
We’ll see, but I wouldn’t sell the Israelis short when it comes to innovation.
Likely about twenty feet at most. Big lie .
Get some big diesel pumps and fill them up with sea water. Keep them topped off for the next few years. See how they like those tunnels then. But what about the hostages you say? They aren’t going to get most of them back anyway and the price they will pay to rescue them will be more deal soldiers than live hostages. Just flood the tunnels and keep the pumps going day and night.
As far as hostages, I agree. Kaiser Soze is the way I think hostages should be dealt with.
And, getting in depth into the challenge of how to deal with an enemy in tunnels,…? fine.
But really, NOT OUR PROBLEM is the primary position I would stake out,…this attempt to tie Hamas with Russia, and israel funding to Ukraine funding just affirms this is a manipulation.
Our enemy is burrowed in in DC, Davos, Geneva, Brussels, and City of London, and the challenge of how to drive them out, is far greater than Israels challenge of Hamas in Gaza.
And THAT should be our focus…
“Burrowed in.”
Choice phrase.
Why do they appear to want (or at least not be appropriately afraid of) nuclear war?
I never saw a piece of government paper that gave me as much delight as that Executive order President Trump signed changing the COG plan from “evacuate the DS to shelter” to “shelter in place.”
I’m sure the blood froze in certain veins reading that.
No copters coming to Sidwell Friends (or whichever private school) to evac your kids Anthony Blinken?
BTW, isn’t it strange a man his age has two kids under 8?
The one thing that sticks out to me? These clowns always claim to need food and money yet they have enough to build sophisticated tunnels. Is concrete cheaper there than anywhere else in the world? I don’t think so. I wouldn’t send them another penny!
Maybe the sand for the concrete came from the same holes/tunnels they’ve built? Their in the desert — no limit to sand!
Not all sand is suitable for construction.
Saudi Arabia imports sand.
It doesn’t have sand storms, it has dust storms.
I have walked the desert in Egypt, its mostly sharp stone with dirt.
Still need a crapload of cement. And what about rebar? Concrete is brittle which is why it’s always reinforced with steel bar or heavy wire mesh, depending on structural requirements.
IDK anything about the geological conditions under Gaza, but I’d be surprised if there was still plain sand 60m below the surface. Also, since no one has mentioned seeing rock drilling machinery being moved in or out of the area, one would have to assume it’s all been dug through soil of one or more types. That can shift and exert uneven pressure on the tunnel lining.
The entire claim raises a lot of questions and red flags. There may be some tunnels, but 300 miles of them? And as far as 60 meters down? All the massive effort required to build that network but they’re still crying poor and need financial help? Talk about misplaced priorities……
Not buying it as given. There’s a distinct odor of bovine manure around the story.
Yup, smells like crock o’shit, fer sure.
And feels manipulative.
thats why its propaganda.
There is a patent for human blood mixed with concrete. Cemex, Inc.
“The report, originating from Russia Today, coming on the heels of western intelligence trying to frame Russia in connection to an alignment with Hamas”
If I were Suspicious Cat, I would be thinking money for Ukraine will not happen.
Unless Putin can be tied to Hamas.
Aid to Israel to kill Hamas terrorists is the same as aiding Ukraine to kill Hamas terrorist allies…or something.
New Yorker article on the Gaza tunnels written in 2016:
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-tunnels-under-gaza
All of South Vietnam with the VC squeezed into Gaza. VC had tunnels, hostages, and massacres too.
Years ago I had friend, long since past, that was a tunnel rat. He was of small stature so he was always sent down. Not a job I would want.
No, a nightmare task.
Two Suspicious Cats!
Can never have too many…
Just checked, and the marines had to deal with 11 miles of tunnels under Iwo Jima. Up to 90 ft deep. Iwo is about 21 sq km in area. From June 1944 to Feb 1945 they dug those tunnels, but didn’t have time to finish the planned 17 miles.
Gaza is 363 sq km, about 17 times larger.
Hamas has been tunneling for a very long time. And Egypt and Israel have been saying they have destroyed tunnels almost as long.
They say 500 km of tunnels
^^^^
From the WSJ:
https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/israel-hamas-war-gaza-strip-conflict/card/map-tunnels-under-gaza-made-by-hamas-identified-by-israel-YY9IenGS27zQ0mIQvS5n
Destroying Hamas means destroying this tunnel network.
Destroying this tunnel network means destroying Gaza.
Gotta do what you gotta do.
Bingo. Exactly what I thought when I viewed that.
They admit it themselves. The tunnels are built to protect Hamas, not its civilians, they are the UN and Israel’s problem.
The tunnels have been around for a very long time, kinda scary to think of the improvements they have made over the years.
https://www.wnd.com/2023/10/hamas-u-n-must-protect-gaza-civilians-deadly-war-dangers/
Hamas’s military engineers have become skilled at rigging up the concrete-lined tunnels and installing ventilation, electric lighting and telephone lines
If they’d used those abilities to improve the living conditions in Gaza maybe we wouldn’t be where we are now.
they promote culture of death. That’s all they are good at.
I am registered Professional Civil Engineer and I call alot of these claims 🐄 💩! A lot of exaggeration in this article so I am with Sundance on this! The tunels are more akin to what the Vietcong and Mexican Cartels utilize!🤔
Joe x 2,
I work in the same field as you. Where did all that spoil from excavation go?
The concrete tunnel sections look like they were cast in home made forms. What is the soil like? What would the pressure on the floors and walls at the depths they operate at, and how were those panels reinforced?Maybe even the concrete was hand mixed? Others have mentioned at what depth is the water table there. How do they handle the water. How do they handle everything else?
I have to admit, I have a lot more questions now.
They’ve had a lot of time to do this. I’m really curious as to what happened with all of the spoil.
Israel tapping into tunnel telephone communication lines is probably the key to taking over the tunnels. Same as US subs tapped Russia undersea military communication cables for many years.
Its called the Hamas metro. All the aid given to these monsters to rebuild Gaza was used to build these tunnels
The only answer is to smoke them outand flatten Gaza
Turn it into a parking lot.
ALL those in Gaza support Hamas according to Bridget Gabriel.
The hostages are as good as dead.
I honestly don’t care how many “palestinians” die anymore
All my Jewish friends now say the same after the extent of Hamas’s brutality was revealed.
And remember many so called Palestinian civilians joined in the atrocity, not just Hamas foot soldiers
Gaza’s Vital Tunnels
Israel has dropped special bombs that don’t explode until after they have burrowed into the ground.
Another type of weapon, called “sponge bombs,” creates an explosion of hardening foam to seal off tunnels. If tunnel entrances are sealed, fighters can’t pop out of them in surprise attacks.
The ground operation allows Israel to take additional steps to demolish tunnels. An Israeli reservist soldier described one technique, called “purple hair,” to our colleagues:
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/30/briefing/gaza-tunnels.html
Islamic Atrocities: Baby Was Found in an Oven, Baked to Death by Hamas Terrorists
https://gellerreport.com/2023/10/islamic-atrocities-baby-was-found-in-an-oven-baked-to-death-by-hamas-terrorists.html/
Look at the tweets in the article
Check the source. I outed him earlier as the Leana Wen of Israel.
Had Covid in the US that had him intubated TWICE doncha know. Right about the time the fear porn to support the lock downs and jabs coercion was in full throated scream mode.
I don’t believe in coincidences.
Someone has been watching too many episodes of C.H.U.D.
Peter Navarro was talking about this early last week on Bannon’s show.
Years ago I had voles eating our flower garden. I was sitting on the porch one Saturday morning
, and noticed one of the marigolds was thrashing around. Then VOOP! it disappeared. I walked over and watched as the vole dragged it into a hole.
The garden was a triangle surrounded by concrete (street corner). So I got the garden hose out and turned it in. About 10 minutes later the colony emerged and congregated, shivering, around a chive plant. As they munched on the chives, I scooped them into a bucket and released them in a nearby wilderness area.
Much more effective than the smoke/gas bombs I had tried previously.
“Ventilation, electric lighting, telephone lines” – no mention of pumping or drainage. All along a sea coast.
👆BINGO, BINGO, BINGO!!!
Pull up gas tankers, let thousands of fuel or Napalm flow, and light her up!
JUST CONSIDER
In 1994, the Channel Tunnel cost was £4.65 billion, which is equivalent to around £12 billion in today’s currency, and 31.35 miles long, with its lowest point being 246 feet below sea level.
The Big Dig was a mega project in Boston that aimed to replace the elevated Central Artery with an underground tunnel to alleviate traffic congestion. It started in 1991 and ended in 2006, going way over budget and time, costing about $15 billion.
On the other hand, the tunnels reportedly built by Hamas are said to be 300 miles in total length and reach depths of up to 200 feet.
The Channel Tunnel equates to $383 million per mile (based on £12 billion total cost and 31.35 miles length).
The Big Dig cost equates to $1.92 billion per mile (based on $15 billion total cost and 7.8 miles length).
If we take the cost per mile of the Channel Tunnel (the lesser of the two projects) which is $383 million and multiply it by the Hamas tunnel distance of 300 miles, if the Hamas tunnels were to have the same cost per mile as the Channel Tunnel, the total cost would be $114.9 billion.
THAT IS A BUTT LOAD OF AID DOLLARS.
And dont forget:
The Channel Tunnel was built to facilitate transportation and trade between the UK and mainland Europe.
The Big Dig was to Aimed alleviate traffic congestion in Boston by replacing an elevated roadway with underground tunnels.
The Hamas Tunnels are solely used for terrorist purposes including smuggling and conducting cross-border raids.
I wonder if I will see that project highlighted on Modern Marvels.
Are you very sure that only thing the tunnels system(s) was used only for was smuggling and cross border raids?
Not something like Azovstal, which reportedly had laboratories 8 levels down? And which, if you think about it too being right next to the water (just like Gaza) where it had convenient, possibly underground, access to water routes to allow human (and child?) smuggling to and from water transport (ships, submarines). Remember how Ghislaine Maxwell had a submarine license?
Expand your thinking.
Key word in the statement you are referring:
INCLUDING
Come on, expand your reading
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Fair point, if we all consider the Epstein/Maxwell gang terrorists. Which, if you think about it, they definitely are.
Makes me think of CERN…..
Makes me think of this book:
People start disappearing from the poorer quarters all over an ancient city, as demons in an even more ancient underground city sacrifice them, screaming, to build a portal to allow the dark God to walk the earth in the flesh.
Good series.
Lots of reflections in her writing on the pain of remembering.
May seem quite a feat until you consider the cartel tunnels under our southern border. They say they can drive trucks in them.
Propaganda, plain & simple.
Having worked in an underground mine, the question I would have would be:
How did Hamas create a network of hundreds of miles of underground tunnels with no one taking notice of that?
The photo shows a tunnel at least 8′ high and 12′ wide. One mile at those dimensions would produce almost 19,000 cubic yards of soil to create a tunnel that size. Even if you narrowed the tunnel to 7′ high by 4′ wide (minimum for just walking through, without consideration of moving cargo), a mile of tunnel would still produce almost 5500 cubic yards of soil.
If you piled an entire football field end zone to end zone with soil 7 feet high, it would be around 14,000 cubic yards. 120 or so football fields of soil 7 feet deep would be pretty hard to hide near sea level and would take up about 150 acres. Andy Dufresne couldn’t hide that much soil with a fleet of earth movers, but somehow Hamas did it by hand, with wheel barrows? Not to mention the steel and/or concrete and/or timber required to shore up the tunnel. How would those materials be transported to a surface location and then be moved underground without being noticed by the world’s greatest intelligence agents?
An electric hoist might move a limited number of people underground, but the process of moving at least 1.6 million cubic yards of soil out and an enormous tonnage of material in to shore up the tunnels would require hoists (of whatever type) all of which require a massive housing for the equipment which enables the hoist to lift heavy loads and which would be very noticeable from the surface. Forget about electricity or lighting or rails to move through hundreds of miles of tunnels.
I worked in one of the largest underground mines of its type in the World, at depths between 1800 and 2100 feet (with corresponding tunnels 90 feet below for ore trains.). The mine was around 30 years old at the time, and had previously operated at approximately seven progressively lower depths over the years. The sum total of mileage for all tunnels constructed at all levels in that mine was considerably less than 100 miles.
This claim seems impossible to be true. Is it even remotely possible that Hamas could be lying? Or has someone at the State Department been watching a little too much Hogan’s Heroes? The one plausible explanation is that it had to be the Russians. Well, because. Russia, Russia, Russia!!!
Your observations are a more professional detailed analysis of what I commented above.
Central themes: where is the excavated dirt, no notice of equipment, and the amount of construction materials required.
Thanks much for validating my suspicions.
Thank you; was hoping someone with underground experience could add some real-life input.
I am just going to have to call out to you to be sure and find the gorilla in the article that most are not seeing.
I just found a headline that is unbelievable but it is truly stated by :
Senior Hamas official: ‘Tunnels were meant to protect us and not the residents of Gaza’
Mousa Abu Marzook: “The tunnels were meant to protect us. The UN is supposed to provide protection to the residents of Gaza“.
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/379469
I dont speak the language in the video so I dont know what Hamas is saying, but…
He also said: “Everyone knows that 75% of the residents of the Gaza Strip are refugees – and it is the responsibility of the UN to protect them. The responsibility of the occupation is to provide them with all services as long as they are under occupation – in accordance with the Geneva Convention.”
If this is true, why doesnt the UN go into Gaza and evacuate the resident refugees Eh?
Just what kinda fool does the UN think ‘we’ are 😛
So Hamas built the tunnels to protect HAMAS TERRORISTS and NOT the “Palestinians”
The UN hasn’t been running a refugee operation there.
It’s more like a breeding program.
You may be more correct than you think Maquis.
Like cattle.
Or lab mice.
Yes and Engineer Al is also suspicious, but as Sundance said a day or two ago, this info is out there and some Engineering firm, some construction Firm, some Engineering supply company, has the drawings, maps design etc for a price, or the proper coersion.
I believe it is exaggerated. But would prepare pumps with the capacity to flood it just in case, and would arm my bunker buster with high enough explosive to shatter the first 30 meters, and bury the second 30 meters..
As I told people during the Iraq war, which do you think Sadam would rather hear in his bunker, a Seal Team banging on the door, or the ee,Ee, EE,EE of a concrete truck backing up?
Iran has built its nuke facilites underground. I am sure there are tunnels too. Iranian engineers helped them. Iran has 22/23 nuclear sites..
Wouldn’t it make sense that the terrorists weren’t the only reason for these tunnels, that they might be used for trafficking as well, and not necessarily just by Hamas?
Engineer here.
Bunker busters will drop the tunnels.
Have seen some other pictures, the concrete arches look very thin, along with the walls. These are not bunker bomb proof. They would not withstand a direct or immediate hit. Now at 200 ft depth, they could rupture, crack and collapse from the shock wave. Ground water has to be running into them, or the pressure is building up on them. The ground there I believe is a limestone that is porous, good and bad. Easy to dig, probably full of water, not totally blast proof.
That said, the bunker busters have to be penetrating bombs. Expensive and targeted.
Think of all the money Hamas could have used on the Palestinian People. How many Schools, Hospital, investments in Business created by the Palestinian people could have been created. And look at the reality.
The Palestinian people KNOW where the money is being spent, and they don’t care. And we should NOT act as a refuge to people who at the very least are tacitly enabling war without end and unending hatred. The only way to stop this is cycle is in the hand of the Palestinian people – they can either continue the cycle or end it. But America should NOT take in Refuges who not only will be a drag to the Nation but bring this hate to our shores.
Shucks – invade America. No tunnels necessary. Report any obstacles or other inconveniences to 1-800-MAYORKAS and US agents will be dispatched to clear the way.
Seems to me if access to tunnels has a surface level entrance ….then all you have to do is bomb those.
Yes they are identifying them by dropping purple smoke into known tunnel entrances and seeing where the wisps of purple smoke emerge. Usually in some house/hospital/school