The Jim Jordan floor vote is going to end up being a public GOP exhibition in who supports unlimited Ukraine funding. Jim Jordan has expressed opposition to more funding for Ukraine, and the professional Republican wing of neocons do not like that.
A great example surfaces today inside the change of position for one of the staunchest Ukraine advocates, Indiana representative Victoria Spartz. However, what I find most interesting about her reversal is Spartz’s unwillingness to admit the reason.
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Despite her political pretending, Representative Spartz primary allegiance is to her home country of Ukraine, not the United States. It is disingenuous in the extreme how the media is reporting on her reversal without mentioning the one key element that drives her decision-making.
She evidently does not care about the 400 000 to 500 000 Ukranian men sacrificed and as many injured in the p0wer play of politicians.
Political warmongers are shameful cowards who will rarely be prepared to go and fight in the front lines.
She’s paid to pretend and be forgetful. Nothing complicated about it.
Biden and the Neocons are killing the Ukrainians not Russia!
Russia gave Ukraine multiple options to avoid the conflict and Ukraine choose to listen to Biden instead.
They chose poorly!:
This is why we need to stop electing people who have no alliance to the USA. She is Ukranian. Her alliance is to Ukraine. Just like Tlaib and Omar have no allegiance to the USA.
VOTE THESE OTHER-COUNTRY NATIONALS OUT OF POWER.
That’s what I came here to say. It shouldn’t be allowed, or pretty soon the whole chamber will be ruled by people who have no allegiance to this country and its citizens.
soon?
Except that there are one hell of a LOT of other country nationals who vho vote for them. Ilhan Omar? Give me a break.
1000 upvotes!
I am from Indiana. I have always been opposed to Ms. Spartz because she has failed to be an American first. She left Ukraine and she has never been able to deal with her divided loyalties.
There are simply too many people from other countries such as this to serve Americans fairly.
This is what happens when immigrants come to this country…they are Not assimilated to our DNA of American born n bred.
It’s like the DACA flying Mexico flags and allegiance to home country, not America first.
Ms Sparks should move back to FUKraine since she wants to represent them and take the Uni party warmongers with here.
A BIG AMEN (!) to all your points.
True. I had a family in the 1990’s from the middle east move next door to me. They hated America. My answer to that situation was… I moved. Never trusted them…
Nobody was holding them here at gunpoint! LOL
You did the right thing. Sad to be the one to say it, but it would have to very hard for any common middle-easterer to have any love at all for the US. Just look at the absolutely criminal conduct that we support…and pay for!…over there. Are you kidding me?
Also a problem with dual citizenship.
Hey! Whoa! Diversity is our STRENGTH! (Said another Nancy (who really does need a doctor) after ripping up the SOTU speech….and the Constitution.)
That would kind of defeat the whole purpose of her being here. Like Omar, AOC, Buttgig, Nikki Haley, etc., etc.
I have a Polish friend, he has been here over 20 years, and he still thinks of Poland as his home country. I like the guy, good person, good family, but it is really hard to refrain from saying “go back to Poland”. Same w/a friend from El Salvador, he came here to escape being a child soldier of the guerrillas. He has been here for decades, served in our military, and still thinks of El Salvador as “home”. He left when he was 9. Quality human being, good friend, but it plucks my nerves sometimes when he starts up w/the El Salvador stuff. We really messed up when we closed Ellis Island.
All first generation Americans feel that way. The Irish. The Italians. The Greeks. etc.
I probably should have said “first generation Americans.” Rather, I meant immigrants to America.
Usually, their children, the first gen born in America, are fiercely American.
Like AOC, Buttgieg, Kamala?
But some really want their children to assimilate. My parents were immigrants, and from the time we were very young, they told us children that the United States is the best country in the world.
Not true that all first generation Americans feel that way. My grandfather came to America from Italy as a twelve year old with .25 cents and a dream. Not once did l or our family hear him say that Italy was home. Instead, he thanked his home, America daily for helping him to fullfill his dream.
Exactly! My grandparents never talked about Italy except to say….Good Riddance!
God bless him!
I can relate to people being loyal to their home country.
Kind of funny…. I was born and raised in a suburb just 8 -10 miles outside of Boston MA. I loved my heritage; that of being where a lot of the Founding Revolutionaries were from. I was so proud of celebrating Paul Revere, John Adams, the Sons of Liberty, and the rest of these great men who fought for the Liberty from the British.
In the mid 70s, I lived in North Carolina for almost 5 years as that was where my military husband (at that time) was stationed. My baby was 10 months old when we got stationed there. 2 years later, I gave birth to my second child.
OMG! I loved where we lived, just a short walk down the road to the Little River where I brought my toddlers, with a couple of other neighbors and their kids, to play daily. They played on the banks in the red clay (yuk, it didn’t wash out of their clothes), they went wading, they watched in awe as the “big kids” jumped into the river off of a rope they fashioned (tarzan style?) and we always had lunches or snacks…. the epitome of blissful days. It was a great neighborhood with many blue collar families and/or military families just starting out.
I still have a very soft spot in my heart for my nearly 5 years ( 4 years and about 9 -10 months) in NC. I had considered moving there permanently after I returned to New England, but as much as I loved and still do treasure my time spent in NC, I felt a stronger allegiance to my NE roots. I am happy to say that I no longer live in hell-hole MA. I also had ties to the coast of Maine, which is where I brought up my 2 children.
Bottom line: Roots and Nationality trumps all. It’s who we are.
Rita: Totally OT, but! as someone who has worked with Red Clay and also loves kids, may I say>>> kudos to you for being a mom who let her kids play in that stuff and just went along/dealt with the fun they were having.
That. Stuff. Is. Brutal!
LOL. I worked closely with people who came to the US who plainly stated that they were here until the SHTF, then they were back to the old country. Very smug and condescending, and exuded contempt for America. Management LOVED them, they could do no wrong.
We really messed up when we ignored George Washington’s advice about foreign entanglements. Who the hell do we think we are anyway?
And this is not directed at you…it is the government, not the people, that are doing us in…and it’s not what we “vote” for either. The people are not represented in our government and have literally NOTHING to say about it.
I moved to America from a foreign land (California). Never think of my old land as home. I don’t even admit to being born there.
Like Omar and Tlaib.
I believe Talib was born here ?
Were her parents legal citizens???
Do you think she has dual citizenship?
Bottom line – she does not belong here. She is an Anti-American spewing hate against our Country.
I totally agree, deborah. It’s bad enough that our own USA citizens are wreaking havoc on the Constitution and the Laws of the Land….
Same here. She is awful.
I thought she wasn’t running again. I hope not, because she isn’t getting my vote.
I haven’t heard anything on who is running against her if she isn’t.
The terrorist Hama is holding Israelis, Americans and others hostage.
Certain American politicians are trying to hold support for Israel hostage to still more vast amounts of money and arms to Zelensky.
People who hold a dual citizenship should NOT be allowed to serve in ANY Federal elected position.
Dual citizenship should not be allowed at all.
Amen.
Did a lot of traveling in business. Met several people with dual passports. Even had one working for me in the UK. I always asked why they felt the need. The overwhelming impression I had was their loyalty was really with the second country, not their “own” country. They seemed to see it as a positive alternative to things they didn’t like there.
🙂
Or any local positions either.
better yet!
Well now. Wait just a minute. How many of the “Americans” said to have been killed in the Hamas attacks do you think were NOT dual citizens? Anybody? Can’t seem to find any references in any of the news reports for some reason.
She’s probably got family receiving the arms shipments & getting a distributor sales ‘commission’.
Let’s be honest here. She’s not the only one who does this. If some issue affected Mexico, we’d get reps of Mexican heritage to advocate for Mexico’s side. No different than rep Serrano of NY(I believe that’s his name) spent more time advocating for Puerto Rico than his own constituents concerning PR. Jewish pols do the same exact thing with Israel with the only difference being instead of criticism here, we’ll get the usual bible verses posted.
All should be treated equally.
Either they assimilate and take an oath of allegiance, seriously, to uphold our US Constitution and our US LAWS…or they are Deported !!!!! Right back to where you came from fren…that’s the way it works.
So, this open-border BS is going to explode and expose wide open the communists, Marxists Globalists who want a total collapse of our Republic…
But it very well COULD Backfire Bigly!
I think the situation is worse than what you think it is. We have foreign terrorists who have invaded our Country – well, actually they were welcomed in at the behest of the Biden handlers and Mayorkas. It’s a tinderbox about to explode.
Woah!
I’m am fully aware of the situation and I expect the Milk will Boil over very soon.
Re-read my comment…
At least PR is America though.
No it is not.
Not really.
PR has no allegiance to the USA other than what they get from us financially to support them. We should have let them go as a free country unto themselves years ago. The “big guys” running PR usurp all the $$$ we send and the Country remains a poor schiffhole for most of their residents.
Yes, I agree. Let’s give them their independence.
Yes that’s right. The part about Serrano that I bring up is that he was OK with PR independence but with economic guarantees. First off, Either you’re independent or not. Second, what was a US congressman doing advocating on behalf of a potential foreign nation.
Practically every election PR votes about independence. I say we cut them loose vote or no vote.
it reminds me of the time my Puerto Rican co- worker and her Cuban husband were complaining that Americans had moved in next door to them.
LOLLOLLOL. Yet they chose not to go back to PR or Cuba, right????!!!!
This is why those who serve in Congress and the military need to be born in the USA.
Or at least not be dual citizens.
Another fake American. She should go back to her homeland.
She has no intention of returning to her so-called homeland. It is a mess and has been a mess for many years with Nazis , like the Azov Battalion. And crooked officials (yes I know we have them, too), and the actor Zelensky who has cancelled all opponent and opposition thought and word, imprisoned orthodox clerics…. NO, the Ukrainian congresswoman is content to wreak havoc here.
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I just left my message for Rep. Victoria Spartz to vote Jordan for Speaker. Blessings.
Thx, Eva.
Your welcome, sunnydaze.
America should NOT HAVE DUAL CITIZENSHIP … you should have to choose if you want to acquire US citizenship, even if you are marrying an American!
Yeppers
Dual nationality can come in handy. The first thing I did when my children were born ( I’m USA and Dad is UK ) was to register their US citizenship which I think is the most wonderful gift.
I have no problem with dual citizenship, per se, but they absolutely should be banned from all government jobs, federal, state and local.
Doe she have dual citizenship?
Is she a dual citizen person? If so, we have further evidence as to why duality needs removed to claim American citizenship. One cannot serve two masters.
If Spartz really cared about Ukraine, she’d be demanding we withdraw from NATO.
They’re the ones who started this mess.
I’m a life long Hoosier. What is an Indiania?
The Swamp gonna swamp.
She made a big to-do about quitting the Congress if they didn’t form a debt commission.
Okay, sounds like she pretends to care about how much Congress spends.
Clearly, however, she wants it spent on Ukraine.
The war has forced a diaspora in which Ukrainians are spread throughout Europe and the world. They expect us not only to finance the war, win the war, but finance the rebuilding of the country AND the eventual resettlement.
All that money for the grifters.
Tell her that. Call her. You don’t have to be her constituent. PRIMARY HER, Indianans.
We are called “Hoosiers” and Spartz is not running for re-election. When I confronted her in a budget spending package, I received a terse note that she didn’t serve my district. Our district lines have been recently redrawn.
I beseech you and your fellow Hoosiers to OUST GREG PENCE as well as this phony baloney SPartz
As far as I can tell, any politician in Indiana is a RINO. It’s disgusting.
You vote someone in. Then they quit, and a bigger POS gets “appointed.
It is unbelivable.
Doesn’t that sound like a response from a jerk like her?
Slowly but surely, the veneer is dropping on a lot of things currently, isn’t it? Whether it’s the politician you thought was honorable and populist, or the Internet personality you thought would never support Hamas. It’s an interesting time.
Yep, you give them enough time, they all pull their own pants down and expose themselves. One of the best gifts President Trump gave us was the eyes to see the phonies.
Honor: That’s an interesting concept that is mostly found in history. Uses the same root that is contained in Honesty. The truth is that in 62 years on this earth it has nearly disappeared in this country.
I voted for Trump because #1 He is a business man and #2 Because he had already made his fortune.
So tell me, of the 435 voting Representatives of the House and 100 Senators, how many do you believe are honorable?
Easy answer: Zero.
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She seems sympatico with Vindmann. Who has committed treason against the American people … and been handsomely rewarded for it. And is still walking around America free, bragging about the offer to be in charge of Ukraine military.
Another one who should be denaturalized…Vindman.
Far far too many Swamp politicians have dual-citizenship, majority with Israel.
That really needs to end….one cannot serve two masters effectively when their loyalties conflict.
We could do with far far fewer people in gov’t….and since many of those are in there to divide us, seems we’d be much better off without them.
She can move back to Ukraine when she gets elected out of office
Sundance, looks like Mike Rogers of Alabama is anti- all of us.
I believe he’s a member of the Armed Services Committee .
He looks like a guy trying to reclaim his hair from his frat party days.
He keeps calling the 8 who voted against McCarthy “traitors,” vows he won’t vote for Jim Jordan on the floor and says he wants a meeting with Hakeem Jeffries to ask what concessions the Repubs will have to make to get them to vote for a GOP person for Speaker.
Sounds like a pretty dull bulb if he things Hakeem will keep any promises made.
HOw likely is it we can tear his district’s voters from him in the fall or how likely a Dem can beat him in that district.
Anyone hear know.
Time to bring him to his knees.
And tear off that God awful rug on his head.
BTW, looks like he’s inching for a fist fight or he’s just a blusterer.
Wish we could accommodate him.
Spartz is but one example of the dual loyalties that plague Congress. As a naturalized citizen that had to renounce all other citizenships, and pledge my allegiance to the United States– which was my honor– I have a hard time stomaching the dual citizenship that many members of Congress brag about.
I won’t hold my breath, but I would love for someone in congress to start telling the truth about this conflict, including the fact that our government spent years deliberately engineering Ukraine into a provocative threat that they knew the Russians would eventually feel compelled to respond to. It would be trivially easy to bring all the evidence that completely explodes the the BS narrative the Biden administration and War Complex have repeated about this conflict ad nauseum. There are plenty of people out there who have already done the hard work of compiling it all.
Once you roll out the truth about this conflict and make it clear that it is a war of aggression being waged from Washington by what are effectively a bunch of pirates, even before you get into opportunity costs, the reason to insist that we cease funding it becomes self-evident.
In the end, I don’t want to spend another dime rebuilding Ukraine. Haven’t they stolen enough from us already? When it is shown how much corruption exists, and where our money was siphoned, the first person that suggests rebuilding should be hung with piano wire.
We’re not rebuilding Ukraine. We’re destroying it!
YES.
Tell that to BlackRock. They are rubbing their hands in anticipation….
I hope they paid Russia for the land they bought otherwise they are screwed!
And that UkraineUS weapons ended up in the middle east.
Blackrock
Is Spartz a dual citizen? If so she shouldn’t even be allowed to run for public office. Dual citizenship should be abolished.
Unfortunately we do not have the opportunity to vote for Speaker of the House.
people from every country on earth have a strong incentive to get elected to a position of power in the us. the usg’s meddling and counterfeiting is so prolific and distorting to a natural human ecology, that it would stupid and naive to think otherwise.
After Victoria Spartz gets her way with the continued funding to the “Big Apple Ukraine” then she’ll definitely get invited to go on a shopping spree with Olena.
Hold on you all , after doing a little reading I am not sure on this one. Her being a rep from Indiana’s 5th district caught my eye so I checked to see if getting rid of her in the primary was an option. Well its not, she is not seeking reelection, not right now anyway. Seems to me she went to DC with good intentions but after getting a few looks behind the curtain and then after traveling to Ukraine in April of 2022 and seeing all the corruption going on there she decided her time in DC was not going to change anything.
Looks like she tried to warn everyone over a year ago that US weapons sent to Ukraine were ending up in Russia and Syria. I wonder if she knew the level of the corruption then . She also wants more budget reforms in DC and is fully aware of the 33 trillion dollar debt we have so I am doubting that not getting more Ukraine funding is an issue with her. Now I maybe way off base here because I am no mind reader , all I am saying is that its not at all as simple as it seems on the surface. …… on a side note plenty of you have doubted Jim Jordan was the man for the job.
” In July 2022, Spartz criticized Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy, accusing him of “playing politics and theater” and not governing seriously.[54] In an interview with Ukrainian press, she accused the country’s leaders of not preparing for war and not understanding the war’s importance. She alleged that weapons sent to Ukraine may have ended up in Syria or Russia. She asserts that there is insufficient monitoring of U.S.-provided weaponry, and that Congress needs to take control in this area.[55][56][57]
Also in July, Spartz enumerated six allegations of misbehavior against Andrii Yermak, a top official in Ukraine’s government. Spartz asked the White House to investigate the allegations and report to a Congressional oversight committee. Among the allegations are that Yermak leaked war information to Russia, in several specific ways delayed or damaged Ukraine’s military war efforts, and through his deputy Oleh Tatarov delayed the appointment of an anti-corruption prosecutor.[58][59][60][61] Tatarov’s qualification to serve for the government has been questioned. [62][59]
The Foreign Ministry of Ukraine responded that Spartz’s allegations were “baseless speculation.”[63] Former U.S. ambassador to Russia Michael McFaul, who has been working with Yermak on sanctions policy, said that Yermak has been strongly anti-Russia and has proposed creative and novel sanctions.[64] Some Republican representatives and senators disagreed with Spartz’s accusations. Senator Lindsey Graham said “I don’t share her criticisms” and “I believe that the Zelenskyy government and the Ukrainian people have risen to the moment. It is in our national security interest to stand with the Ukrainian people and their elected leadership.” Some Republicans also believe the accusations could hurt the war effort and damage U.S. relations with Ukraine, while boosting GOP elements who opposed aid to Ukraine “
Yup. She has a very conservative voting record supporting America First. Highly critical of Little Hitler, Ukraine corruption, and his war. She has stated she wants funding Ukraine for humanitarian reasons not war.
I truly dont understand all the critical remarks. She supports Jordan, and like me, she has her doubts about him. What is wrong about having concerns?
Her comment about Jordan might just ring true.
” Just another Puppet from the swamp with a better bio.”
I wish my congressional rep was more like her. He just goes along with whatever the GOPe tells him to do.
She will be hearing from me!
and get to” her face ” !!!!!
Ukraine’s counteroffensive is over – Moscow — RT Russia & Former Soviet Union
The four-month “counteroffensive” by Ukrainian forces has failed to reach any of its objectives, the Russian ambassador to the United Nations, Vassily Nebenzia, told the Security Council on Friday.
“For several days now, Russian troops have switched to combat operations, practically along the entire front line. Therefore, we can consider the so-called Ukrainian counteroffensive formally over,” Nebenzia said.
According to the Russian envoy, four months of Ukrainian attacks resulted only in “hundreds of units of destroyed Western equipment” and “tens of thousands of lives of those conscripted by the Kiev regime, most of whom did not want to fight.” Some of the lucky ones surrendered and stayed alive, Nebenzia added.
Ukraine’s casualties have amounted to “over 90,000 people,” 557 tanks and 1,900 armored vehicles, Russian President Vladimir Putin revealed last week at the Valdai Discussion Club in Sochi.
https://www.rt.com/russia/584853-ukraine-offensive-failed-nebenzia/
Most Americans live pay check to pay check and the war hawks just pissed away 130 billion dollars , probably more , SMH
Ukraine’s so called “Counter offensive” Was over the day it started
Immigration post-1965 has become the death of this country. Sad.
We must not allow the current regime to continue to make a mockery of this great country. I know there are patriotic Americans everywhere yearning to make a difference. Find a righteous cause and support it.
Here is a great place other then this platform to start. Kindly spread the word.
https://donorbox.org/mplegalfund
Need to know, every single Rino who votes against Jordan. Nothing behind closed doors. Their constituents need to know how they voted
How does one get a password for “proiected” material? Thanks.
It’s not password protected now
Thank you Cal Joe! It asks for pw. You just6 go ahead with next?
“Representative Spartz primary allegiance is to her home country of Ukraine”
Contempt. I have nothing but contempt for politicians with dual-loyalties.
If the only way to get America First policies is to ban politicians with dual-citizenship or immigrants, so be it. And ban all political committees explicitly designed to lobby for foreign nations. Enough is enough.
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Go back to where ya came, Spartz!
We are going to end up with Hakeem Jeffries .
Says YOU?
There’s only one way to settle who should be Speaker…
A wrestling match.
I don’t have any problem with paying Ukraine to destroy Russian tanks as long as they do it in a cost effective manner.
So you call 500 million casualties, over 112 Billion taxpayer dollars. The destruction of 10s of Thousands Ukraine armored vehicles and still loosing the war. To destroy maybe 2000 Russian tanks cost effective?
I hope you do not run a business.
Just fyi: texas does not have a recall provision for the governor in the state constitution.
Expose all them for who and what they are. T hi s party needs a blood letting of epic proportion
Oh Victoria! Another nail in the coffin of a party already so dysfunctional as to be an embarrassment.
By all means, I’m sure the constituents of Indiana can put their faith in your doing what is in THEIR best interests.
Like rats, they run for the dark places to hide.
She and Ilhan Omar are poster children for denaturalization. A process that is not used enough.
Tlaib ex husband Fayez was born in Palestine. They are now divorced. According to reports, the two divorced in 2015 – some have reported that Rashida and Fayez are distant relatives, as her ex-husband is related to her mother.
Ilhan Omar shouldn’t even be in the country in the first place
The conservatives, including Jim Jordan, should not die on the Ukraine funding hill. There are much more important issues they need to prioritize. Realize that the majority of the GOP agrees with funding Ukraine. Let it lay. Tackle border security, energy policy, and defunding and revamping the weaponized FBI and DOJ which is so much more important to most Americans.
“Realize that the majority of the GOP agrees with funding Ukraine”
The voters, or Reps?
Most Reps are for it.
As for the voters, different story…
The Ukraine slush fund. MONEY< MONEY, money.
Politicians gotta politician. $275,000 just isn’t enough to live on in DC.
Leaving one to conclude they are benefitting in one way or another from Ukraine money laundering.
Just read that Ukraines Finance Minister stated that Ukraine will need $42,000,000,000.00 to keep its budget afloat…untill 2024…
Enough already
Too bad.
Let it sink. Uncle Sugar is broke.
And even if he (Sam is the feds and not MAGA, look it up, he’s their mascot) it woul;d be treasonous for his employees to be giving away stolen citizen money.
You’re joking right?
Especially after Bush years?
Do you really want the republican corporation to be pigeonholed as the chickenhawk party? Absolute insanity. Battered wife syndrome right here.
Let it lay? No American left or right that I know supports ukraine proxy war. Let it lay!? Clownish
shoot me for giving in
Where do you get your information. The corruption of our federal government is epitomized by what is going on in Ukraine which is a deep state money pit. Secure our on borders first and then clean out all the thugs that have entered under the globalist regime now in power.
Which also needs to be removed if we are to restore the Constitution.
So you would like to see the corruption continue?
Learn to be sneaky. There are other ways to get your agenda through. Use the RINOs. Their Dem comrades do. Wave some greenbacks at them.