President Trump attorney John Lauro appears on Face the Nation with Major Garrett to discuss and debate the Biden administration’s criminal prosecution of President Trump for contesting the results of the 2020 election. Toward that latter part of the interview, Garrett needs to enhance his leftist bona fides with a strawman argument about the 2016 election outcome. Lauro handles Garrett’s narrative engineering very well. [Video and Transcript Below] WATCH:
MAJOR GARRETT: We go now to John Lauro, one of former President Trump’s lawyers. He joins us now from New York. John, good morning to you. I want to let you know that we spoke with former Vice President–
JOHN LAURO: –Good morning
MAJOR GARRETT: –Mike Pence and asked him specifically about your assertions made this last week that all the President did was asked him to pause the certification on January 6, 2021. He told me flatly, quote, “That’s not what happened.” Your response?
LAURO: That’s not- that’s not what I said, though, but that’s okay.
MAJOR GARRETT: What- what is it that you believe happened between the President and the Vice President? And do you have any fear of the Vice President being called as a witness in the case?
LAURO: No, in fact, the Vice President will be our best witness. What I said is the ultimate ask of Vice President Pence was to pause the count and allow the states to weigh in. That was my statement, and what- what I’ve said is consistent with what Vice President Pence is saying. The reason why Vice President Pence will be so important to the defense is the following, number one. Number two, he agrees that there were election irregularities, fraud, unlawful actions at the state level, all of that will- will eviscerate any allegation of criminal intent on the part of President Trump. And finally, what Vice President Pence believes and believed is that these issues needed to be debated on January 6. He openly called for all of these issues to be debated and objected to in the January 6 proceeding. President Trump, on the other hand, believed following the advice of John Eastman, who’s the legal scholar, that these issues needed to be debated at the state level, not the federal level. Now, of course, there was a constitutional disagreement between Vice President Pence and President Trump, but the bottom line is never- never in our country’s history has those kinds of disagreements been prosecuted criminally. It’s- It’s unheard of.
MAJOR GARRETT: John, can I ask you a couple of very simple basic yes or no questions? Is there- first, is there any condition under which the former president of the United States, your client, would accept a plea deal on these January 6 charges?
LAURO: No.
MAJOR GARRETT: Will you seek a motion to dismiss?
LAURO: Absolutely, 100 percent.
MAJOR GARRETT: When?
LAURO: Hundred percent. Well, within the time permitted. This is what’s called a Swiss cheese indictment. It has so many holes that we’re going to be identifying and litigating a number of- of motions that we’re going to file on First Amendment grounds, on the fact that President Trump is immune as president from- from being prosecuted in this way.
MAJOR GARRETT: Do you-do you have a ballpark figure of when you’ll be ready for trial?
LAURO: Well, I can tell you that in 40 years of practicing law, on a case of this magnitude, I’ve not known a single case to go to trial before two or three years.
MAJOR GARRETT: Understood. Are you still going to pursue a change of venue?
LAURO: Absolutely, we would like a diverse venue, a diverse jury.
MAJOR GARRETT: Do you have an expectation that will be granted?
LAURO: That reflects the- the- the characteristics of the American people. It’s up to the judge. I think West Virginia would be an excellent venue to try this case–
MAJOR GARRETT: — Speaking of the judge
LAURO: — very close to D.C. and a much more diverse–
MAJOR GARRETT: — Understood. Speaking of the judge’ earlier this week, your client, the former president, on his social media platform, said ‘The judge is unfair’, On what basis did he say that?
LAURO: Well, the problem with bringing a case like this in the middle of a campaign season, is statements are going to be made in the context of a campaign. We expect a fair and just trial in the District of Columbia. And- and my role- my role is simply to ensure that President Trump’s rights, just like every American’s rights, are protected every step of the way, and I’m going to do that.
MAJOR GARRETT: You mentioned discovery. In the protective order back and forth between you and the prosecutors, it says, the prosecution, that discovery will be provided, quote, ‘As soon as possible, including certain discovery to which the defendant is not entitled’. What’s wrong with that?
LAURO: We’re all in favor of protecting sensitive and highly sensitive information. But it’s unprecedented to have all information hidden in a criminal case, including, by the way, information that might be exculpatory and might be exonerative of President Trump. The Biden administration wants to keep that information from the American people.
MAJOR GARRETT: John, in the back and forth on this matter, you also said in the filing to the court that the former president would be willing to come to an agreement on this matter. And what I want to ask you is would that requirement be something where the President would agree not to release any information that was highly sensitive in this matter and would he also refrain from any speech that called for or hinted at retribution about anyone associated with the prosecution of this case?
LAURO: He’s never called for that at all. He’s going to abide by the conditions of his release. But of course, we would agree that any sensitive or highly sensitive information be kept under wraps. In fact, we made that proposition to the Biden administration, but they rejected it. They want every single piece of evidence in this case hidden from the American public.
MAJOR GARRETT: John, before I let you go, do you remember what you were doing the early morning of November 9th, 2016?
LAURO: I have no idea.
MAJOR GARRETT: Well, I remember what I was doing. I was covering President-elect Trump announcing that he had won the presidency, about 3 a.m. that morning after the November 8th election. My question to you, John, is how did he know he won?
LAURO: Well, politicians are convinced in the righteousness of their cause, including President Trump, and he certainly believed that he won and he did win in 2016- (crosstalk)
MAJOR GARRETT: — But on what basis did he know he- But on what basis did he know he won?
LAURO: — Can I finish? Can I finish?
MAJOR GARRETT: — Yeah. Sure.
LAURO: — Can I finish? And he believed in 2020 that he won based on the fact that he had 10 million more votes than in 2016. He had a situation where, somehow, President Biden, or at that time candidate Biden, received 15 million more votes than Hillary Clinton. And he also understood in 2020, that president- that President Trump understood that he had won all- virtually all of the bellwether counties, and 84 percent of all the counties in the country-
MAJOR GARRETT: Right. John- John, let me- let me help you with this–
LAURO: — So on that basis he believed that he was successful.
MAJOR GARRETT: — John, let me help you with this, I wasn’t asking about 2020.
LAURO: — No, let me help you with this, because the issue here- I have to help you with this.
[crosstalk]
MAJOR GARRETT: I wasn’t asking about 2020, John. John, I wasn’t asking about 2020. I was asking about 2016.
(CROSSTALK)
LAURO: The issue. Right. The issue. Right. The issue in a criminal case-
MAJOR GARRETT: Because- because the votes were still being counted in 2016. The votes were still being counted in 2016. There had been no recounts. How did he know in 2016 that he had won? How did he know? On what basis?
LAURO: The issue- the issue- let me just tell you something, the issue in this criminal case is not what happened in 2016 and whether all candidates say they won. The issue now is, in 2020, whether or not the Justice Department can weaponize criminal law to go after a political opponent and prevent that opponent from running for office. That’s the issue, not what happened in 2016.
MAJOR GARRETT: John Lauro, we thank you for your time.
LAURO: Do you think it’s fair- do you think it’s fair that- do you think it’s fair what the- what the Biden administration is doing to a candidate for president?
MAJOR GARRETT: John Lauro, we thank you for your time. We appreciate it.
LAURO: Thank you.
MAJOR GARRETT: And we will be right back.
LAURO: Do you think it’s fair- do you think it’s fair that- do you think it’s fair what the- what the Biden administration is doing to a candidate for president?
I like the way he handled all three interviews. I especially liked how he ended Garrets with the above question to the interviewer.
I think Kari Lake does that quite a bit also, to interviewers.
I agree John Lauro handled all these interviews with calm cool logic. Something the Propagandist struggle with.
He is very good, especially at the end of these interviews of throwing the 🐄💩 right back in their faces and essentially getting the last word on his terms!!! He is a very effective spokesman and I imagine we will see a lot of him in the next year!!! 🤔
I’ve lost all respect for Major Garrett.
I haven’t. But then, you can’t lose something you didn’t have in the first place.
Private Garrett.
The constitution gives no relief to fraudulent vote counts and subsequent certifications. Once any state decides on the win and certifies it, no court is going to change it. It’s a very unfortunate realty and a reality highjacked by Progs and their Republican allies.
Arizona showed it perfectly in 2022. Just getting an audit conducted took Herculean strength, but then the results amounted to nothing. The errors and irregularities were for all to see but to no end. Judges tossed it all, as they’re told to do to any MAGA challenges.
Under current election formalities we will never correct election fraud. The two Parties will not officially challenge the other… leaving fraudulent victories in place is part of their compact. And when it’s Trump related, even more so. Vanilla republicans live to concede as that’s their instruction.
We have no recourse when the supposed opposing party lets those highjackings stay in place. But that’s what your political donations pay for.
Demonic rats always question the elections. And there was at least one instance where a judge did correct an election, but it is very rare especially when the deep state controls the executive branch, legislative branch, the judicial branch and the illegitimate intelligence branch of the federal government. But republicans are weenies and always roll over and show their privates instead of fighting for what is right.
Major is one of Bidens German shepherds that chews on the SS. Major on TV is a lapdog of deep state with no teeth and quite laughable. He is is a legend in his own mind.
and very arrogant.
Sundance, a couple dots to connect. If you watched the entire show when Chris Krebbs was being interviewed he mentioned that Major Garret was a partner with David Becker in this firm https://electioninnovation.org/. This is the same firm Loomer reported on a few months ago where Raskin spoke along with Rafensberger in GA.
Mr. Lauro plans to seek venue in the Northern District of West Virginia at Martinsburg: https://www.wvnd.uscourts.gov/content/martinsburg
The jury pool at Martinsburg is drawn from five West Virginia counties.
Berkeley County and Jefferson County are within the Washington DC Metropolitan Area, with many commuting feds and DC/Northern Virginia daily commuters. The FBI/DOJ regularly draws prospective defendants in drug stings into Jefferson and Berkeley to make arrests to try the criminal cases on the Martinsburg docket. But in the last two federal elections, Republican candidates, including President Trump received the majority of votes in each of the five counties.
That is VERY interesting information!
YOU MUST REMEMBER when listening to all of these talking heads that THEY (AP) call the selections. They have a vested interest in the narrative that Delusional Joe “won” and 7 Nov 2020 was their line in the sand. Once they declared that Delusional Joe “won”, everything thereafter was claimed to be an attempt to overthrow their selections.
EXPLAINER: Why AP called the 2020 election for Joe Biden
By BRIAN SLODYSKO
7 Nov 2020
https://apnews.com/article/why-did-ap-call-election-for-biden-fe79276cd9175fffc7cf4fb58045fcf9
Roundtable Discussion: Election Night Reporting for the 2020 Election
VERBATIM TRANSCRIPT
By United States Election Assistance Commission
20 Oct 2020
https://www.eac.gov/sites/default/files/2020-10/EAC102020VerbatimRoundtable.pdf
Major is very invested in this topic. He wrote a book about it, along with David “The Beak” Becker of Center for Election Innovation & Research (CEIR), who is a majorly interfered in our elections. Becker is the dude who is behind and sells ERIC “solution” of cheating. He’s kinda’ po’ed that were are getting rid of it. Like, very po’ed. David has called publicly for a “reckoning”, meaning a takedown of President Trump.
Major Garrett and David Becker — The Big Truth – with Susan Page
By Politics and Prose
https://www.youtube.com/live/F4I-NbFl15s?feature=share
CEIR Election Denialism Webinar
By The Center for Election Innovation & Research
1 Mar 2023
The Big Truth: Who Can You Trust? National Event
By ASU Walter Cronkite School of Journalism
13 Feb 2023
https://www.youtube.com/live/VVosz671Pq8?feature=share
CBS’s Chief Washington correspondent Major Garrett and David Becker, the nation’s foremost elections expert, provide a fact-driven counter to President Trump’s Big Lie about 2020 election fraud, and examine its potentially dire consequences for the 2024 election and beyond. Self-identifying election-deniers engage in a moderate discussion that explores the media landscape, truth and where it can be found, with the following question serving as a guide: Who can you trust? The moderated program features college students who serve as the audience (in-person and virtual) and who are included in the program during the town hall discussion.
Minor Garrett is under the illusion he’s an alpha male when in reality he’s just a rude prick .
Lauro was PERFECT in taking on BOTH of these toolbags
My impression: MSM finally understanding Trump is literally the spider that has entrapped it’s prey w/subpoena power for discovery, Collyer’s FISC kryptonite, EO#13848/Eisenhower SCIF capture (foreign election interference), and an audience vying to get even a glimpse of the most intriguing trial in US history
We’re not voting our way out of this crap…but a reckoning is coming. Hyperinflation is my guess as to what kicks it off.
Interesting note: This article reminded me that the 2016 was held on November 8…
What is the day that DeFraud & Gruesome is supposed to debate? 11/8 is their “common” date.
Major Garrett is ever so slightly more watchable than Chuck Todd
But, having the transcript is a blessing in disguise!
My God…Garrett cannot even BEGIN to hide his corrupt bias.
Gee…I wonder why Garrett brought up 2016? Hmmm. They…the deepstate commies knew the fix was in for 2016 for the corrupt Hillary….but somehow Trump upended that and they were all shocked to death. In fact…Hillary was out there saying the election was stolen! Why is she not under the Same scrutiny as Trump. Oh yeah…were back to that two tier thing where things apply to us, but not them. Garrett is another Fox degenerate liar and cover up specialist for regime narrative.
https://jonathanturley.org/2023/08/07/the-mind-of-donald-trump-why-proving-a-lie-will-not-necessarily-secure-a-conviction-for-jack-smith/
Captain Seth Keshel analysis of 2020 election indicates that the Biden received on the order of 12 million excess votes… take this out and Trump had won in a landslide…taking all the battleground disputed states and even Minnesota.
That means also that Trump won the popular vote over Biden by 6 million votes despite California.