Coast Guard Rear Admiral John Mauger announced today that a remote operated underwater vehicle was able to locate the wreckage of the OceanGate tourist sub approximately 1,600 feet from the hull of the titanic. The mini submarine had been missing for four days.
The passengers on the 21-foot sub were British businessman Hamish Harding, Pakistani businessman Shahzada Dawood and his teenage son, Suleman, French explorer Paul-Henri Nargeolet, and Stockton Rush, CEO of OceanGate, the company that operates the vessel. VIDEO:
CBS NEWS – Five people who were on a sub that went missing during a voyage to the wreckage of the Titanic did not survive, OceanGate, the company that planned the trip, said Thursday as the U.S. Coast Guard said the vessel experienced a “catastrophic loss of the pressure chamber,” and confirmed that the debris found on the sea floor were pieces of the missing sub.
“This is a incredibly unforgiving environment down there on the sea floor and the debris is consistent with a catastrophic implosion of the vessel,” Coast Guard Rear Adm. John Mauger told reporters.
An ROV, or remotely operated vehicle, from a Canadian vessel found the tail cone of the sub about 1,600 feet from the bow of the Titanic on Thursday morning, Mauger said during a briefing in Boston on Thursday afternoon. He said more debris was found and authorities consulted with experts who determined the debris was consistent with the sub.
“On behalf of the United States Coast Guard and the entire unified command, I offer my deepest condolences to the families,” Mauger said. “I can only imagine what this has been like for them, and I hope that this discovery provides some solace during this difficult time.” (read more)
excuse me, but we have a proxy war in Ukraine, China advancing on Taiwan, J6ers in jail, President Trump under
indictment(s), the dollar being hazed, crime escalating in cities, the Biden family criminals not prosecuted
for their crimes along with the rest of the criminal cabal, republicans acting all self righteous while not
doing a thing to eleviate the criminnal activities in our government, covid vaccine deaths and health issues
every ding dong criminal from across the world crossing in to our country illegally and the
boondoggle climate change hoax taking a wrecking ball to the US economy…..and I am supposed to care
about this? Sorry, I can’t be phony. I don’t give a rat’s ass.
Yet, you took the time to come here and took more time out to post? Life goes on ….
yes it does
back to business?
Or are in mourning now?
I think you have a lot of company.
I kinda cling to such events, particularly the efforts of the SAR and support people, like one of those life preservers on a Coast Guard ship thrown to a drowning man, lest the other things you mention tip me over into war mode. Those rescuers may not have saved the crew and passengers on the Titan but they unwittingly saved me, a little, and I thank them.
This loss of life is sad. Any death is sad and especially a death that can be prevented. I prayed for these people.
This is the But~ But why did our Coast Guard spend incredible amounts of money and personnel safety in attempt to save these people? I am having a hard time with this. We have an open border that is a magnet to using and abusing children, not to mention the drugs etc. We have gun fights in our cities, a child was murdered by another child in my area, just yesterday, and the US Coast Guard rushes to the scene of a private sub that lost contact?
I am in no way criticizing the US Coast Guard. I am questioning our priorities and our morals. If these folks were so rich, then they can afford some 50 year old white guys to be on call to save them. This is not the government’s duty
Lord have mercy!
Turns out our gov now only works for billionaires.
…our gov now is owned and controlled by billionaires.
Don’t forget Joes’ boss in China.
Led by the three Donilons in the White House for Blackrock.
I think you may have it backwards….
$250,000 for a sub ticket.
$50 million to rescue.
I agree. The US government and state governments, too, have an unquenchable desire to be near adventurous “celebrities” and wealthy fools. So, they don’t care about Chicago gun fights (unless Jussie Smollet in involved) or the border. Maybe getting a few celebrity billionaires to tour the Mexico border would draw the attention of the feds.
Border tourism for the billionaire class won’t do it. Unfortunately it would take a billionaire being kidnapped or killed by an illegal. And even that would likely be covered up.
I wish I understood the end game of an open southern border. Do the old white guys in DC that run things not know that they are devaluing themselves and their ancestors? Stupid me. Look at the deficit. Of course not. They only value their own power and money.
But I still wish I knew why bringing in millions of poor men from all over the world is so important.
It’s important to George Soros who believes in Open Borders and he gives the DNC and Kongress a LOT of money to continue the massive immigration experiment he started in Europe to continue in the United States. Judging from all the damage done by his “foundations” worldwide, you would think that a few more leaders than Putin, Xinping and Orban would ban them from their country, but of course; MONEY TALKS and our politicians love to listen! Seems that “law enforcement” is a bit lacking in our great Western Democracies because of greed for money.
Unfortunately for George sorts, heaven doesn’t have open borders, so he will go in the opposite direction.
But, all his friends will be there!
And will he fit thru the narrow gate?
Experiment? That is like calling someone’s practice of putting a few large spoons of Strychnine in 9 out of 10 glasses of whatever they drink, “Just an Experiment”.
The majority of our so-called lawmakers are being blackmailed. They do what they are told. Think Pizza gate. Those in the deep state who are in control of these scumbags are purposely crushing the US to implement the tyranny of the planned new world order.
It is sickening that none of these people have any love for America and the citizens of this country. It is even more sickening that these people have no fear of God.
Sociopaths rule the world.
This is why Christianity works well as a cultural force, people have to at least pretend to care about their fellow men. As we de-Christianize, the rise of anti-human authoritarianism will take its place.
And think Ukraine. You know the money flows this direction also.
If only you knew.
Dr. Dave Janda said that when he was elected, a wise mentor told to NEVER attend a party at a private residence, only public venues, and always stay highly visible and with your spouse.
He said that one of the 1st things the blackmailed do is spike your drink and get you in a room with cameras and underage girls.
Sure enough, those invites came in quickly after swearing in.
I think this is why Trump doesn’t drink. When you refuse alcohol, you can’t be drugged and told you did something in a drunken stupor.
Because they are all future dimocRAT voters, according to Zero.
Here’s something else to scratch your head over: If covid vaxx was/is so important, why didn’t they have hundreds of healthcare workers at the border vaxxing these people?
Perhaps, if you so believe, that they may not have a desire to minecraft the replacement plebs, just the one group that ended their slave trade and are still a threat to their child sex trafficking..
They want us to get drug-resistant TB, which is carried by lots of invaders.
For an excellent answer to all going on here read Mitchener’s “ Bridge at Andeau” it’s relating the communists take over of Hungary. These poor young illegals can be used to control us. Illinois just passed a new law allowing non citizens ( think illegals) to become police officers. And I imagine soon military. They have no allegiance to America.
Nothing like importing an army and weaponizing them inside the country. Wonder where the weapons purchased by the IRS will go?
Someone commented the illegals entering our southern border from China were all military age. Just one country out of 140.
The old white guys can only think in the here and now dollar signs.
The end game is the elimination of White nations and White people. Notice that it is all White nations this is happening to. The old White guys in D.C. are traitors. Most of them are not even White, they are jewish. These people control all western nations with their central banking mafia, media/tech monopolies, pharma, education, you name it. When you control the countries money and help your tribe with having the money first and at favorable to no cost loans it is easy to control everything. They have rigged the game and censor as much as they can to keep us from noticing. I wish more people would wake up to this. It is obvious if people would only have the courage to look.
when i mention this connection, my comments are rapidly deleted…
There are cracks in the dam, keep telling the truth and it will turn into a flood. We are on the verge of a major awakening. There are millions who know now because of the internet.
I’m looking. And I’m asking. Jews aren’t white? News to me. And they control everything? Where have we heard this before?
Oh please.
Russia and China aren’t playing ball which is why they are in the U.S. crosshairs.
The U.S. is the tool of the global elites to force the NWO on the rest of the world. NATO is designed to be the globalist military arm.
Because their real boss, Satan, wants to destroy all of humanity and destroying the US is part of that plan.
Visiting the border could be exciting too! Especially if you advertised the visitors were billionaires.
The Titanic isn’t off the coast of the U.S.
It’s a common view….And I will try to defend it.
imagine a Coast Guard…a police officer…a fireman…a doctor…who makes the decision who’s life is worth saving…and who not?
it’s a moral duty. It’s not just “the job”.
what you might not realize is that on a daily basis, the Coast Guard responds to every single call for help. every single one. And if it does not have the resources, it will call on volunteers, the CG Auxiliary, and nearby ships…and even the Navy, air forces, and marines. As well as coordinating long distance SAR operations with foreign countries.
and you know what the one question that never comes up?
who is the person and what is their net worth, and who are they connected to.
that never enters the discussion..period.
and you would never want that to happen.
because once you cross that line…once you start deciding who gets to die and who gets to live. it’s not the US Coast Guard anymore. It’s just a crew of assholes who don’t deserve to have that responsibility.
the moral aspect of rescue goes way way way back. before it was formalized…this was done ship to ship…crew to crew…navy to other navy. It’s an ancient practice….it’s the one thing that all sailors know to be true. When in distress, someone will come and save you. The Coast Guard takes that tradition and made it the most professional and successful mission.
I understand your frustrations. I do get it. But I’m not going to complain with the local fire department rushes into danger and saves some 4 million dollar networth doctor in his burning home, because the fbi is screwed up. It’s a life….it matters…
also this: in cases involving massive logistical and resource consuming missions, there is often a repayment of these services..for instance…many years ago, the billionaire who owns virgin, decided he would attempt to break the world record for around the world in a balloon adventure. (sound familiar?). Had problems between midway and Hawai’i. The mission to help him and his pilot navigate through the weather, and make a descent to a reasonable close and safe proximity to Hawai’i took about 2 days and 12 million dollars (one ship, one c130, one helicopter…and experts private and noaa who analyzed the weather to make sure his tiny little balloon would not be bobbing so far away that surface ships would have a hard time finding him. Saved both lives.
CG charged him for the entire mission costs. And he paid it..reluctantly…but he did.
in big cases, this does happen.
in smaller cases, which make up the bulk of SAR…nope…and the same goes for pollution responses…most do not pay…fines..but not cost of mission.
its’ a difficult subject …saving someone’s life…and yes, there are lots of idiots.
But the mission is to save the life. There is a moral responsibility to do so…even if the people happen to be very rich…
don’t let this event and the frenzy of the media convince you otherwise.
the CG would have responded and do respond to many calls for help…no matter who they are…where they are…and it never enters the decision point how they got in trouble.
God Bless America
Thanks for your well spoken comment.
Semper Paratus brother
Maybe the cg should be tasked with policing the cities.
Or at least the Rio Grande.
Emergency doctors do have to make that decision, sadly, at times; to triage who’s getting care first. In the old days, the sickest ones got seen first, particularly if they were in greater danger of death. Thus, if there were two cpr sessions going on, the younger person got care first if there was a tie and you couldn’t man two full crews at once and the doctor had to split time until more help arrived.
They certainly made it duringCovid, and some still do.
What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?
Expressed beautifully. If this ever ceases to be the case, we will no longer be the America our forefathers founded.
the legacy of authentic moral goodness lives in the lives over everyday human beings…who do things we will never notice..and the main stream maniacs will never publish.
everywhere I look..in my small close circle…is goodness…there is this weird and deceptive virtual wall of horror the manipulated “internet” presents. Place zero trust in it.
look closely to you and yours…that is truth…there is reality.
we will revisit this subject many times as the approaching advent of the dark AI progresssion.
God Bless
stay true to self and God.
Truly insightful and accurate. Well done sir.
In case you hadn’t noticed, the U.S. hasn’t been the nation our forefathers founded for quite some time now.
Thank You regitiger. I was a Quartermaster on a Coast Guard Cutter stationed in Mobile in 1965 when Hurricane Betsy paid the Gulf of Mexico a call. We had moved deeper into the Mobile harbor and chained the cutter to the state docks because the Coast Guard base was near the mouth of the bay. While chained to the docks we received an operational immediate message to get underway to help a vessel in the Gulf that had lost steerage. Mobile Bay channel was 30 miles long and a hurricane was raging with gusts of 100+ MPH once we hit the Gulf. We were 45 scared sailors but we were did our job without asking who was on the disabled ship in distress.
and THIS is why I joined…without hesitation and with zero regrets.
those that served before me. good men and women who had the RIGHT STUFF.
God Bless America !
God Bless the United States Coast Guard !
My ex was in the CG, and man, did he have some scary stories, especially when they were doing staffing personnel changes for lighthouse crews in a storm. I had no idea.
Thank you for writing that. It needed to be said.
Typically, in triage in big disasters, ‘do the least for the most’…the Utilitarian Theory. I would not want to be the one making decisions.
I wonder what kind of insurance, if any, this company has/had? And if it will pay the claim.
They all had to sign extensive waivers.
My brother in law is a retired ex-Coastie (USCG Academy Class of 1977). He will applaud you enthusiastically once I send to him a link to your excellent comment.
Spot on.
I’m the wife of that brother in law (GB’s sister 😆) My husband spent his life wearing that uniform, then went back and is just getting ready to retire as a CG civilian. He loves the job, loves the mission. He spent 46 years in port security, boarding foreign vessels with his .45 on; inspecting boats of all types; and most of all, in chemical and oil spill response. Our fellow coasties were pilots, rescue swimmers, small boat crew, to name a few others. The entire Coast Guard could fit on a naval aircraft carrier, but that relatively small number carries a large mission, in a very wide variety of jobs, not just the well know SAR and drug interdiction missions. Their missions are constant, ongoing, and 24/7. I don’t know how much those missions might be compromised by politics, but I do know the men carrying them out are dedicated. Thank you regitiger and all others who recognize those who serve. The Coast Guard’s motto is Semper Paratus, always ready. And they are.
I have flown with some Coast Guard pilots in civilian life. Incredibly good airmen and men. Exactly the guy you want next to you in the middle of bad weather on a dark and stormy night in a remote location. Firstrate !
In a former upstanding world you would be right.
In today’s world don’t kid yourself. The Coast Guard hasn’t been overlooked by those that would capture and compromise every single apparatus of control in every single well meaning agency we used to be able to trust.
At this point we’re well past trust but verify.
Fair reply and I agree the Coast Guard should not discriminate, nor should any first responder.
It was a big positive for the Biden’s image especially if rescued. This was a big diversion for all of bidens negatives as well. But you are right…my question is why did it take so long to find debris that was so close.
Thrill seekers climbing Mount Rainier (Washington State) often face a similar situation. Someone twists an ankle or suffers some other crisis and the Coast Guard or other emergency services are called in to rescue.
WHO PAYS FOR THE RESCUE ?
It of course ought to be the obligation of the person(s) rescued.
BUT NOOOOO, let’s just wrap up the cost and toss it into the general budget…..and ultimately have the little unimportant tax payers pay for it.
Stupid games earn stupid prizes, again.
Thrill seekers ought to pony up a “bail bond” to guarantee a payment in the rare event of a needed rescue.
Just a thought.
Like when John Kennedy and his wife were recovered….lots or resources and assets involved….
Therefore the quarrel between the US and UK?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/oceangate-titanic-submarine-paperwork-rescue-b2360755.html
It’s easy to overestimate the lack of difficulty in someone else’s job
Not understanding the physics of water and water pressure….my question is this….if the psi was so great would that stuff have floated to the surface or sunk? Well I guess it went to the surface…but I would have expected it to sink…
Anyone with knowledge, have the answer?
The short answer is, once squished it would sink.
there are fewer than 10 operational ROV in the entire world that can do 2 plus miles deep surveillance.
none of them were even close to on scene.
ignore the internet and media crap. This was a logistical race to save lives. Unfortunately, all that mission would appear to be all for not as this vessel most likely impoded in the areas described at mid mission water column. (about 50 percent of the way down. 1 hour and 40 minutes…the time when all communications were lost…possibly slightly longer.)
and YET NOT KNOWING THESE FACTS (who could have known), the machines that could do this work were assembled..tested and transported to one of the most remote areas of the ocean and within a short period of time detecting a debris field also quickly determined to the be the wreckage.
if this does not strike anyone as incredibly expert level logistics and planning…Well, I think that deserves another full view to recognize what just happened.
SEMPER PARATUS.
God Bless America
This all happened pretty quickly. I wonder if someone is curious enough to inquire about how they were found so quickly?
there will be more details over time to resolve that answer. But it is my understanding that that there was at least one towable drone with side scanning capability in the 20 hours preceding this deep diving ROV. The location of the debris field or at least some anomalous features were detected and subsequently the deep diver ROV with close up imagery confirmed.
(noting: there ARE some very highly classified sensing technologies deployed in all of the oceans to detect and make possible tracking of submarines….It would be unsurprising to me if the implosion noise was picked up by ALL OF THEM. even at 1 mile depth….a pressure vessel implosion is going to produce one hell of a signature….also not so fun fact: the implosion force + speed of collapse is so powerful, the inner pressure vessel would experience a temperature of about 1500-2000 F in about 1 microsecond! (there would be two very closely connected sound signature..the implosion-crumble, followed immediately by a rebound signature…this rules out any other type of natural occurring sounds…but does require some very sophisticated equipment to analyse…the sensors used by the military and in some cases the commercial equipment for drilling and pipeline and seismic sensors would likely pick up on this event many thousands of miles away…the analysis of it being an implosion and locality to 100 meters of accuracy is found in the classified stuff…I doubt anyone beyond the USCG Incident Commander was informed of this (if it was provided at all to the team…it would have allowed the IC to make a judgement about where to look and what to expect moving forward IF this data was provided to them…but this is my pure speculation, as I have no inside knowledge…only some experience from some classified work performed in liaison with US Navy Types when operating a bouy tender that was temporarily assigned some salvage work..a long time ago…in another life…back in the days when presidents and the FBI did not casually imply russia russia russia hoaxes at the expense of national security…arggh)
God Bless America
They heard the implosion and it narrowed down the search area.
Ever been to the bottom of the ocean?
It is a very stupid notion that whatever you do, you will be found and rescued.. just dial Nanny911.
Safety and security on the high seas, including maritime rescues, are the Coast Guard’s mission. We could disband them, sure, or direct them to only help out poor people or any other class of human we decide is worthy, but for now when the call comes, they go. It’s what they do.
This tragedy had me down a number of rabbit holes and I found an inspiring one regarding the last WW2 veteran still on active duty when he retired in 1999 after over 50 years in the service, the last of it largely working with the Coast Guard doing, yup, rescues. His name? Dr. Earl Fox. The irony? As an newborn in a military hospital in 1919, he was thought to be stillborn and was left for dead.
See JFK Jr…
Navy ships were used to find the plane, recover the plane and provide burial services for a Kennedy
https://nypost.com/1999/08/04/taxpayers-shelled-out-500g-to-retrieve-jfk-plane/
You’ll probably appreciate Bill Whittle’s comments here: https://rumble.com/v2vo2yg-a-forlorn-hope.html
We rescue out of a moral obligation to man and hope. Many good/similar comments.
What Humpty Dumpty couldn’t say was there was multiple things wrong with Oceangate before this happened, as the ironic thing is the the guys involved in the rescue, were just the sort of super competent sub guys that Rush refused to hire. He used cheap plastic game controller parts in his Sub.
Oceangate’s Rush was trying to prove that anyone could do the job is intelligent, but deep sub work takes long-term competence, as too much can go wrong,
The owner of Oceangate said, “I wanted our team to be younger, to be inspirational and I’m not going to inspire a 16-year-old to go pursue marine technology but a 25-year-old you know who’s a subpilot or a platform operator or one of our techs can be inspirational,” Rush continued. “So we’ve really tried to to get very intelligent, motivated, younger individuals involved because we’re doing things that are completely new.”
He hired a number of young, non-White people to do the job using game controllers to steer the sub, or DS attitude got DS results.
He fired a 50 year old former sub guy for whistle blowing on him some weeks before.
Very likely they put no humans in the water at all. Deep-sea robotic probes are operated entirely from the ship and no one is aboard.
THAT is what I SAY, and now,no IRS dudes – or anyone ELSE will EVER be searching anywhere ELSE for those 5
Rush was an aerospace engineer & wanted to go into space. He said he had to give up that dream. Maybe he didn’t go but he could have helped others go. Read the backgrounds of all these men. Bored billionaires in “private” enterprise my foot. —My heart goes out to all their families. RIP to the Titan travelers. 🙏🏼
I agree. Such hatred…no empathy for the dead or their families.
The coast guard and other military groups perform rescues daily. From sailing vessels, boats, divers, etc. to downed planes, mountaineering, and so on. Countless rescue missions. The cost and wealth of the individuals being rescued is irrelevant.
I could say if any of them went on a cruise, money spent to experience an ocean voyage and the vessel sank, because I don’t have money to do that the coast guard shouldn’t conduct a rescue mission.
I hope none of these people or their family members
ever need rescuing
So people won’t be looking for them in Brazil?🤔
EXACTLY!!!
It seems the Navy knew of this outcome a couple of days ago. They heard the crush on their sub listening outposts in the region.
The Navy knew it had imploded last Sunday!
https://americanmilitarynews.com/2023/06/missing-titanic-sub-likely-out-of-oxygen-as-search-continues-officials-say/
Maybe Coast Guard Cutters aren’t allowed on city streets?
It should be obvious that the Coast Guard had the time and the resources and the exercise might have been considered training. The Coast Guard is always and has always retrieved knuckleheaded sailor wannabes from death’s door.
It’s hard to even watch a movie where people are trapped and time is running out before they will die if not rescued.
If it is all as it appears –
My prayer has been since the beginning of the story that the passengers would turn to God.
Not only for eternal salvation if they didn’t already know God –
But also that they might have peace under the most frightening circumstances
They died instantly! Probably didn’t know at thing. Wham it was over.
5 more Covid deaths.
Spook? How was Lawrenceville, Brown, and Georgetown? Your regular anti-semitic comments are a dead giveaway.
It’s hard to believe, for me anyways, how ingrained anti-Semitism is among many people even in this day and age in the United States. I grew up among Jews and I’m so much richer for it.
It’s worse than you think. There are alot of posts that make sense, but he intersperses things that are intended to discredit the entire site.
I think William is a rollCon troll.
Thanks for calling WG out.
I must have missed a detail.
Did they not die from a slow oxygen loss?
No. The sub imploded. They went squish. Too fast for them to notice.
Wow. Thanks for letting me know.
They died instantly when their submersible imploded.
So glad to know they didn’t suffer as I thought they had.
Thanks for the clarification.
that is always my prayer, too.
This guy hated white military men age 50 . KARMA
I don’t wish death on anyone
Nobody does.
Not true
Idk about that Bat…..I can think of a few!
The 50 year old whistle blower that was good with sub tech, turned Rush in for having a viewing window rated at 1300 meters for a dive to 4000 meters. Rush had a “Death Wish,” and he didn’t need anyone else.
OR a Hollywood STUNT production with Ulterior Motives of Deep PRIVACY, rather than DEEP DIVING.
We were just talking about this subject. Stockton is now unable to acknowledge that 50 year old white guys were spending effort to try and find him and his passengers. How about a father subjecting his teen age son to this uncertain venture? That is something that really bothers me. Karma indeed!
This so called rescue attempt was a colossal waste of resources. US Navy sensors probably picked up the explosion/implosion the second it happened. But of course protection sources and methods meant they couldn’t share that info. Just like the NRO probably detected an IR flash on that Malaysian flight but had to keep that knowledge to themselves.
That’s why the idiot used a thirty dollar game controller to steer the submarine. Had he employed a few fifty year old ex navy white men he might still be alive. As a submarine or submersible descends the temperature drops causing the air inside to reach 100% condensing humidity.
Only electronics built and housed to military specifications are ever used in such an environment. That sub was obviously a Jerry rigged piece of crap that was built by an incompetent, big headed, non engineer who did not know what the hell was doing.
While it is unlikely an electronics problem was the cause of the catastrophic failure, using toy electronics shows the highest level of incompetence.
My guess is the plexiglass window shattered causing an implosion. It would have been like sitting on an exploding 500 pound bomb. The crew would never have known what hit them. They would have been blown to pieces in a blast of super heated air.
Such deep water craft should require a black box to record all the sensors so the cause of such a loss can be determined. None should carry tourists.
OR created as a Hollywood Stunt VISUAL, merely for EFFECTS piece of SCENERY!
Yepper and one of them even warned his dumb elitist ass. Karma is a bitch indeed. There’s plenty of others to weep and pray over.
think different
~steve jobs
“Deepest condolences” is a rather poor choice of words here.
Reading about previous lawsuits point to an organization that should not have attempted this. They didn’t have the expertise or rigor for something that needs to be virtually full proof.
However, in international waters, who is the jurisdiction? Maybe God.
You mean they were so bad that it was NOT even good enough for government.
So much for those banging sounds! There are all kinds of life forms in the ocean making all kinds of noises.
It was likely Poseidon putting out his catfish for the night.
The main thing is a good time was had by all.
I’m glad there were no retired Navy guys on that death trap.
Actually there was one, though I presume you mean U.S. Navy.
The pilot was in the French Navy for decades and was an expert submariner
CEO Rush’s death mocked his words and views … Sad that he held bigotry as a virtue, and that will be his legacy.
Death by DEI.
DIE
Titanic and Fed Reserve claim 5 more souls.
Wonder if any of the pagans found Jesus before their demise.
Such incredible foolishness by those with more $$$ than common sense.
Especially to the mother of the young man: my condolences.
It has been a hopeful three days with prayers for all.
Adventurers looking for adventures. Same to the Mount Everest climbers:
Your loved ones need to know you might not come back.
I think this will end the want to see the old sunken bones of another sea disaster.
For the better.
I think this will end the want to see the old sunken bones of another sea disaster.
For the better.
Not in a poorly designed carbon fiber cigar, that’s for sure?
In which ever design…..Leave the shipwrecked souls at the sea bottom alone I would say.
There are documentaries enough about the Titanic.
For a few dollars more, OceanGate will soon be offering tours Titanic with a short side trip to their own wreckage.
God loved these people also so maybe some of the comments here could be more reflective. CEO had a lot to learn but he is answering to God now. The others on board had families and the comments here and all over are horrible. God is not happy with these frenzied comments. Some of these are worse than the CEO’s.
Wow, yeah, God loves us all, just as he loved both Cain and Abel. That doesn’t give a free ride.
CEO was a fool and killed people for profit by cutting corners and hiring inept people because they were special DIEverse virtue signaling business strategy to cut more corners for more profit at the risks of the customers.
Everyone has family, as stated even Caine and Abel had family.
Please do not tell me what God is “frenzied” about, as I am sure you have no part or concept of the relationship between God and myself. Otherwise I would mention Matthew 7 1-7 for fun, but then there I go throwing pearls to pigs.
Some of these people’s comments are worse than the CEO’s? He MURDERED PEIOPLE! Words, mean or not, do not murder people.
Ignoring the facts that caused the problem NEEDLESSLY is a worse crime than venting the frustrations we have been forced at gunpoint (government either has law or force) to accept as “THE NEW NORMAL” when we know it’s insanity and in the USA treason.
Have a nice day, please try some quiet time and genuflection for His guidance in YOUR life.
“Please do not tell me what God is ‘frenzied’ about…”
Looks like someone missed the point entirely. Read the post again then downshift your own frenzy.
I agree. I’m sickened by the majority of responses.
Left and Right are condemning those aboard.
Many prayers and love to those who perished and their families and friends. 😢💔🙏
So nobody should point out how foolish these people were in case anybody thinks about doing a dumb thing like that again?
EXACTLY. I see NO PRAISE from GOD anywhere in the Bible for the Willfully Blind who follow the Blind to fall into the Ditch.
Father Abraham had no sympathy for the cold-blooded rich man who wanted him to send Lazzarus to hell to bring him a Drop of Water on his fingertip. And Jesus had NO SCOLDING message for Father Abraham, either.
All the scolding was reserved entirely for the cold-blooded Rich Man who was without Mercy for anyone ELSE at all, either on the earth or from Hell.
Jesus said, Ignore them and let them fall into the ditch – as they were willfully closing their own eyes.
Weak sauce. God’s love is not a dilution of God’s justice. Wickedness, rebellion and sin will indeed be judged. Your moral grandstanding is a poor disguise for your desire for moral relevance. Evil will be judged. For eternity. Your need to dilute righteous judgment is evidence of where you will stand on the day of accounting.
Aeonian does not mean eternity.
https://argus-rs.no/argus-rovs/5/argus-worker-xl
Maybe there’s something to learn from this, as this is not the first time that a submersible has ran into trouble on a voyage to the Titanic. It’s sacred ground, maybe it’s time to leave it be.
It’s a grave site. Should leave it alone.
I wholeheartedly agree!
it’s two miles deep. why anyone would believe this could be a commercial passenger adventure is galactically stupid. But then we also see this happens quite often…why would a normal human being think that climbing everest is a good idea.
If I’m stage 15 cancer I might think about it. “might”.
The Man who built the Titanic shook his fist in God’s Face at the ship’s Christening, and continued doing so at various points in the Voyage.
The wreck of the Titanic is a Monument to Both Rich Men’s Self-Importance and Refusal to consider Common Sense on such Dangerous grounds.
Could there have been any passengers who didn’t KNOW about his Fist-Shaking at the Lord God???
“Fools Rush in Where Angels Fear to Go.”
How much worse is ARROGANCE of THIS proportion!!!
Tell me that “Stockton Rush” isn’t a made up name.
It’s not a made-up name.
It is the last name of 2 of his ancestors, that signed The Declaration of Independence–Richard Stockton Rush III was the scion of one of San Francisco’s most famous families. He was descended on his father’s side from two signers of the Declaration of Independence, Benjamin Rush and Richard Stockton. Also his wife, Wendy , is a descendent of a couple that perished on the Titanic, he was co-founder of Macy’s . Very sad really. https://www.npr.org/2023/06/22/1183704775/oceangate-stockton-rush-wife-titanic-movie-couple
And now, WSJ is reporting Navy heard the implosion Sunday and were not given permission to share until today…ironically at same time IRS WBs were presenting evidence that DOJ did interfere in the IRS Hunter Biden investigation.
The most corrupt…and based on the WhatsApp transcripts shared….
And McCarthy chickens out on impeachment…
One big club and we’re not in it.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-navy-detected-titan-sub-implosion-days-ago-6844cb12
Not surprising. The media coverage had the stench of panem et circenses from the beginning.
More people need to understand the facts of a story can be true while the coverage of it can be conspiratorial. It can be politicized (school shootings fall into this category) and/or inflated well beyond proportion to its actual significance to act as distraction (as in this case).
When it comes to the latter, I call it the Chandra Levy Effect. The Levy murder was the most important news story, was in fact the “only” news story, during the summer of 2001. Until about 9AM on the second Tuesday in September.
Interesting. Media wants the clickbait.
chaff and countermeasure from mac the hack
When the Navy detected the implosion, what was the chain of events that resulted in the information being quashed? Who made the decision to sit on the information and who decided to release it, and when?
How many of the devout Wokesters would have listened if it HAD been told, at once.
They would hav e accused the Navy of bald murder, for ignoring the “survivors” of the Explosions.
‘New Republic’ Politicized Titanic Sub Disappearance By Hyping That CEO Donations ‘Leaned Heavily Towards Republican Candidates’
https://legalinsurrection.com/2023/06/new-republic-politicized-titanic-sub-disappearance-by-hyping-that-ceo-donations-leaned-heavily-towards-republican-candidates/
I’m still wondering on the timing… if the sub imploded due to the pressure… what is this claim of banging noises..?
They said they could have come from anywhere. Sound travels for miles under water.
It’s now coming out that the U.S. Navy heard the implosion days ago and were not given permission to disclose until today. WSJ is reporting. I posted a link above but there is a pay wall.
It’s also here:
https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/22/us/submersible-titanic-oceangate-search-thursday/index.html
Dwayne Diesel: Surely, the Atlantic is blanketed with sonar buoys and others sorts of listening devices.
The parameters of that technology is why I bet the military knew far more than they were letting on. They let it play out and appear the SAR folks got it right.
It is probably Hunter Biden with another hooker. Sound travels far in water. Crack and meth makes one overly energetic, I suppose.
I regret that this disaster is being politicized. It’s shameful.
Just maybe a skipper with 25 years of experience would have recognized there was a glitch early enough to have been able to make the command decision to scrubbed the dive.
When you are issued a Logitech game pad to maneuver a sub, what is the first thing you do?
end game. ctrl-alt-delete.
oh wait..the deep vessel had no positive buoyancy and ballast.
never mind.
Pride goeth before a fall, and a haughty spirit before destruction.
They are well on the way to be in full flower, IMO.
Humility is a precursor to wisdom.
The Guy who blw the whistle on the Viewing Window did that. It didn’t change a thing, least of all the window. Which was still prolly stronger than the WALLS.
It was bound to happen because the ceo ignored proper testimg and construction of the thing.
Yup, Morton Thiokol comes to mind. Seven went to God that day. Everything has firsts and nothing human is perfect, much as we endevor to make it so. Titan brought all its pax back unharmed on its prior dives over the last few years, until it didn’t.
So did the Hindenburg.
Exactly. And learning occurred. Rinse and repeat throughout time. This is nothing new or remarkable. Science evolves and sometimes unfortunately people die.
an astute opinion I head today on TV was from someone with first-hand experience with submersible vehicles
he brought up the point that decades ago we had a bathysphere / bathyscape that descended safely to the depths of the Mariannas Trench, some 32,000 feet and THREE TIMES the depth of the Titanic
ended with “it seems someone has taken a step backward”
I think, other than Graham Hawke’s project which apparently died with him in his plane crash, this was the first cylindrical composite submersible designed for such depths. Prior, the classic ball shape was the standard. The same company built both cylinders and apparently largely because Stockton Rush was enamored of Hawke’s project, along with a cylinder providing more interior space.
thx, Dunes
yes, have a look at the Cameron video I posted
he tried to wave them off of the Hawkes project because it used carbon fiber composites, if I ascertained correctly from the video
and I appreciate your point about ball vs sphere in terms of stress distribution
I thought James presented reasoned, grounded arguments about safety and respecting historical norms and as an old guy myself I’m in that camp; that said, science and the risks that come with its evolution are constantly a compromise between safety and risk and it’s youth, like we were in the 60’s pushing through death to get to the moon, that drive it.
Ideally there should be balance and, IMO, most of the time there is, a balance between risk and safety. History records most poignantly when there isn’t. This is one of those times.
Turns out James Cameron has gone to the Challenger Deep in the Mariannas Trench, three times deeper than the Titanic, multiple dives
also mentions that carbon fiber construction is inappropriate for vessels subject to excess positive external pressure … ok for scuba tanks and such subject to internal pressure
mentions that model simulation works fine for metal hulls
but not for 2-component composite materials (carbon fiber and the epoxy matrix)
— repeated pressure cycles can start to cause separation/delamination failures in the material
— may withstand many cycles but eventually fail
Cameron is pretty emphatic in stating that carbon-fiber laminate construction is not an appropriate material for submersibles
Says that at the time of his Challenger Deep dives he waved off another competitor team that had built one out of carbon fiber, telling them “You’re gonna die in that thing”
that video above is really worth a watch
I think he’s right, much as many aerodynamicysts once maintained the sound barrier was a wall in the sky and any who approached it would face certain death. They were right for a long time. Until they weren’t.
Materials science and the understanding of physics is always improving. A hundred years ago horses and buggies still populated many cities along with the then new automobile. Now it’s been over 50 years since men first walked on the moon and your cell phone contains more computing power than what got them there.
They’ll figure it out. Every event is an opportunity for learning and growth. Look what we learned from Apollo One. Challenger. Pisces 3 (what’s that? Read)
I can identify with Cameron as an old white guy who’s very conservative on safety. That’s why young guys like Chuck Yeager broke the sound and space barriers. They pushed the limits even if sometimes it cost lives. That’s the game. Titan wasn’t sold as anything but experimental. No ambiguity. If people wanted to roll the dice, well God gave us free will.
thx Dunes, for your perspectives
one of the main points I take from Cameron’s statements is “why use carbon composite material when you can build submersibles out of metal”, which can be simulated thru many pressurization-depressurization cycles validly, whereas the composite can’t
2nd thing is he put a fine point on failure mode for the carbon composite: separation or delamination of layers or of the fibers from the epoxy matrix
3rd thing is his point about layered composites not being appropriate for positive compressive stress situations
at a layman’s level, I’ve experienced compressive failure of fiberglass when surfboards break in half
fiberglass is known to have high tensile strength but lesser compressive strength
a foam core is coated with a shell of fiberglass
when boards break in half, the first thing to initiate is a compressive failure on one side … the shell buckles inward, leaving an obvious “V” of a trench on the side under compression …. the same geometry as between pavement and the foot of a drawbridge that’s’ raising
that failure allows the tensile side of the board to stretch to the point it’s tensile strength can be exceeded also and it lets go secondly
we see boards at all stages of breaking, from 2 separate halves to only partly buckled but still hanging together, that’s how this sequence of events can be inferred
so the takeaway lesson to me is don’t use these composites for submersibles … there’s no reason to … one can just as readily make them from metal, as has been done for about a century, mostly successfully
I believe Rush went with, and had Spencer build, a cylinder because it would more simply provide more interior space since the focus was on increasing passenger accommodation, and reduce the weight and increase the buoyancy of the sub. Carbon fiber is used in aerospace, as well as motorsports and other industries because of its strength to weight ratio.
Bright minds in the material science industry will learn from this and other events, some of which we’ve seen in the airline industry since it uses a lot of composites. They’ll get it right. Humans are pretty good at that even with our propensity to destroy ourselves. Such is life.
“Carbon fiber is used in aerospace, as well as motorsports and other industries because of its strength to weight ratio”
Yes, but in a buoyant vessel, weight is not really a consideration so that’s an imagined benefit in that case … pursue the issue to its logical end and that imagined benefit evaporates
And Cameron makes an important point that carbon fiber isn’t appropriate in a compressive stress regime … maybe flexural or tensile, but not compressional
End result: just stick to metal for submersibles
Now, I’m not a materials engineer so if anyone here is, pls listen to the Cameron video and weigh in
I’m just going to say I’m sorry.
I have honestly never understood why anyone would want to attempt a manned visit to the Titanic, given the extreme depth of water where she lies. But also given the fact that the wreck has now been very thoroughly mapped and recorded by robotic vessels.
Long ago, a very improbable, blimp-like vessel called the Bathyscaphe actually took human explorers to the deepest place on earth: the Marianas Trench. Once! But since that time the region has been robotically explored many times.
James Cameron has been to the bottom of the Marianas Trench. It has been explored in person many times since the antique bathyscaphe.
Good for James Cameron. Glad he made back alive. Exploring the trench is a little bit different than trying to view a shipwreck just because.
thx, Malatrope – yes, he described his Marianas Trench dives in the video above
$250,000 to get into a homemade sub created by a woke virtue signaler who shuns competence is God’s way of telling you you have too much money.
Bud light hull was crushed.
oooohhhhh … snark registered and appreciated
I wish I had 100 million $$. I’d hire the best attorneys possible for all the J6 prisoners.
A simple transponder would of been helpful in recovery efforts.
it really is hard to imagine what happens when a catastrophic pressure vessel implodes at great depth.
think about what happens when a tank in Ukraine gets hit by a missile….multiply that by A LOT.
nothing would work.
noting: this is one of the reasons why the USCG Incident Commander would not comment about recovery of bodies. It was not lost on me why he would not talk about it.
the crushing force of an implosion at this great depth…even at mid water column of just one mile…is just an incredible amount of force…it really is unimaginable…it’s one of those things we land lubbers cannot even contemplate possible…there isn’t anything close to it in our lives to draw an inference.
something like 500-1000 g’s….along those lines…before you brain can even trigger a single neuron signal…it happens that fast…no equipment is going to survive that. All that is left is large exterior panels and shroud that are ejected…and that is what the debris field is going to look like.
to get an idea of this amount of pressure acting on a pressure vessel…I think there was a deep diver venture many years ago, where they put a globe sized foam ball in an out cage and then descended to a mile..maybe it was less..I don’t remember the specifics. So at the surface, this globe is about 12 inch in diameter. They go to depth and then come back up, and the ball is about the size of a grain of sand.
If a catastrophic implosion did occur, the compression of the air at one atmosphere inside the sub by some 300-400 atmospheres of outside pressure would also heat it markedly, something we see used daily in Otto cycle diesel engines that rely on compression of air to a high temperature to initiate combustion.
We think of the deep ocean as cold and wet but in the microcosm of a catastrophic event things can be anything but.
Back when I first read about the events late Sunday night I did a quick calc and figured it was around 5000-5500 pound per square inch pressure on the hull. Sobering for those of us who work in hydraulics and understand fluid dynamics at some level. I built stuff in the shop pretty much daily for decades to take those kinds of pressures, but in the other direction; expansion. Not for the faint of heart when things catastrophically fail.
May God bless their souls and comfort their families.
Hamish had some pretty powerful friends…Bezos and Branson.
https://observer.com/2023/06/who-is-hamish-harding-the-billionaire-philanthropist-aboard-the-missing-submarine/
Dawood did too—King Charles. Dawood was involved with the Prince’s Trust, all kinds of foundations in the king’s name. What did we decide they did with all those foundations? What could they DO with all that money?
Now that is interesting…..
WSJ reporting the news announcement today of the Titan implosion was known since the weekend, but the Biden WH held it for today to distract from the whistleblower testimony on the Biden corruption. Whole announcement was an op.
I currently have four (distant) relatives at the bottom of the ocean.
I’m not sure what to think about a tourism industry that could someday visit their tomb.
Confession: I still remember the adventurous desires of youth, so I do not condemn those that seek the same.
I just don’t think I could do this comfortably. It all just seems a bit sacrilegious.
It will be extra-sacriligious when the next mini-sub outfit offers a two-for-one dive to the site to see both wrecks.
There are a lot of shipwrecks around the globe, many with souls which perished, though not with the notoriety of the Titanic. People have been diving on them as long as diving has been a thing, some for profiteering and some for science and some for pleasure.
Most recently the Chinese have apparently been pillaging WW2 warships, there’s a helluva way to die, for the steel.
It’s not my cuppa but there’s a world of people out there for whom it is, and God gave us all free will. I get what you’re pointing out though; I kinda get the same feeling wandering a cemetery looking at headstones of the dead.
Just read the navy heard the implosion 4 days ago. And several naval experts said it was a suicide mission. Doomed from the start.
Same thing happened with the FBI, but they all came out alive!
Given the philosophy and operational practices of this outfit, it was never a question of if, but always one of when this would happen.
There’s no excuse.
The reliable technologies and protocols have existed for decades to do dives like this. My naui days included working and playing with professionals in that field.
This latest titanic tourism tragedy, like the original, was completely avoidable and hubris-driven.
From a CNN article on lucianne.com: “The US Navy detected an acoustic signature consistent with an implosion on Sunday in the general area where the Titanic-bound submersible was diving when it lost communication with its mother ship, a senior Navy official told CNN. The Navy then immediately relayed that information to the on-scene commanders leading the search effort, and it was used to narrow down the area of the search, the official said.”
I have conflicted emotions about this situation.
It’s been interesting to see the publics response on social media to this. It appears a lot of people are fed up with the billionaire class and their shenanigans.
I am involved with a search and reacue group that covers a 190,000 acre wilderness area and one of the biggest counties in the country.
The vast majority of the calls are for people who were negligent in their own preparation or are the dregs of society. I’ve lost count how many times I bailed out on a family function to go search for some tweeker who got lost in the woods. My involvement has cost me more than I can calculate; including a job and a marriage.
I said ‘no more’. I triage what calls I respond to now. If they don’t give a shit about their own life, I’m now ruining mine to save theirs. It’s not worth it.
IMO, it takes a special person to get into the SAR game. I salute those who answer the call when it comes, no matter where the road takes them. Hard row to hoe sometimes. I try to remember the ‘leave no man behind’ mantra of my dad’s generation, though it’s sometimes hard these days with the direction society is going, as you point out.
Perhaps we can say when we’ve seen one billionaire, we’ve seen one billionaire. After all, PDJT is one of that class and flies around in a commercial airliner.
There goes my megaladon theory.
Megalodon vs modern Great White shark tooth size
May those who perished rest in peace. Love, support and prayers to the families and friends of the men aboard. 😢💔🙏
Blessings to those who participated in the search effort.
I heard on 6B that they knew the submarine imploded on Sunday and covered it up to draw away from the Hunter Biden scam. I don’t know if that is accurate but thought I’d throw it out there.
Anything is possible. All we can do is mark the map and see if a picture forms. Time will tell.
I’d trust the political intelligence of CTH in that regard but will opine that patriots can walk and chew gum at the same time, IOW research and focus on more than one thing at a time, plus the physical stuff, if needed. Our founders did it, in spades. Excellent role models 🙂
According to Fox News ………..
“US Navy detected Titan sub implosion with top secret acoustic system day vessel went missing”Link: https://www.foxnews.com/world/us-navy-detected-titan-sub-implosion-top-secret-acoustic-system-day-vessel-went-missing#&_intcmp=fnhpbt1,hp1bt
So why all the hype about a rescue mission? Was the public being distracted from Biden related news?
I don’t doubt it a bit.
If they could locate a Soviet sub implosion in ’68 .. They should be able to hear which dolphin passed gas today.
one can attribute the delay in public disclosure to nefarious behavior
but I’d balance that with the long-standing protocols in search-rescue-recovery operations and institutions
operators in that field are loathe to make the call that someone’s loved ones are surely dead and recovery is the only remaining step without confirmatory physical evidence often up to the point of a body being found
they delay as long as possible so as not to dash the hopes of the victims survivors
so, as news outfits had no trouble finding specialists to drone on and on about remaining hours of oxygen and make that the primary focus
they’d have a much tougher time finding someone to step to the mic and say “sorry, folks, they’re gone”
now, that’s just a generalized description of the search and rescue dynamics
if we ask what was there to prevent the US Navy from disclosing the acoustic event they disclosed, the link above says “top secret acoustic system”, which means “classified” which means some Navy Commander couldn’t just step up to a mic and speak freely
he’d have to go up the chain and thru classification elements, which ultimately means the White House
so yeah, quite possible the White House sat on it for nefarious reasons
but I just wanted to point out the traditional tendency among search-and-rescue professionals as far as what they disclose and don’t disclose
The military loves to make itself useful when these rescue type missions pop up. Every one of these agencies are hamming it up trying to get optics up. I suppose it’s great training for them as well, not to mention they must be chomping at the bit to try out all their new toys.
And who really cares how much they spend right? They got a blank check to do whatever they want – including sack our elected officials – so why not blow a billion on public relations? SMH, humanity has everything backwards.
While I truly wanted them to be found and rescued in time, I believe they didn’t suffer so let that be a comfort to their loved ones.
I’m guessing the SOSUS net picked up the sound of the implosion about an hour and a half after the beginning of the dive.
That means the occupants never saw the Titanic. They would have been dead in a millisecond when the hull imploded.
The Navy probably suspected they were dead, but kept the rescue going out of an abundance of caution. I heard they did inform the incident commander on the scene. I know the hull was never certified and that was a mistake. It would have taken years to certify such a radical new design. Of course, the Wright brothers didn’t certify their airplane before it flew either. When pushing the envelope of design, there is always a higher risk of death. Edwards air force base is named for a captain who died testing the first real flying wing aircraft. Three astronauts died in the Apollo 1 fire. I guess what I’m saying is the cutting edge sometimes really cuts and people bleed for real.
The White House knew they were dead on Sunday and kept the charade going until the day they knew the latest whistleblower come forward today with the latest bombshell audio tapes showing the Bidens sold out our country.
It takes some pieces of S*%t to play games like that.
Treason is too less a charge.
small point, but I think I’ve heard that they were 2-1/2 hours into the descent when they lost communication
retracted — the article says “around one hour and 45 minutes into its dive Sunday morning”
I want to see the bodies, otherwise I’m still leaning toward the “great escape”. Doesn’t the FBI fake deaths to put people in witness protection?
EYES WIDE OPEN, FOLKS.
If a catastrophic implosion, those of us who’ve seen the plethora of razor sharp shards that carbon fiber composites explode into when they fail would likely opine there wouldn’t be much left of the bodies to see. That and the high temperature of the instantly compressed air would likely cook and dissect them into little pieces. Sadly.
We can however examine the listed passengers and form up other scenarios for why they’d be named and disappeared in this manner. Unfortunately, current events over the decades I’ve been alive have left a taste of cynicism in the mouths of many. Sad.
there were two forces acting simulataneously.
an implosion that would subject the pressure vessel to about 500-1000 g’s of force of acceleration – the acceleration of “squeeze”…this would literally compress a human body so suddenly, there would be nothing recognizable.
the heat flash…as the inner pressure vessel of air is compressed so rapidly, the temperatures would soar so quickly there would actually be a incredibly fast fire flash…which would also act to destroy human body/tissue…and anything else beyond the strongest heat and pressure resistance allows and composites.
then all of that material is degasses rapidly at these depths after the implosion and would literally dilute into the water column and drift.
a search and RECOVERY mission may get lucky and find personal affects…jewelry, rings, maybe…but they are not going to find any human remains…it’s just not possible. At 1 hour 45 on a typical 6 hour dive cycle for this venture places the diving vessel at about the mid point to titanic in the water column…just over 1 mile down. maybe a little lower than that. Once the implosion happens at the depth, the MANY effects of various currents and thermocline layers scatter any demains, likely very tiny in size, across a very large area. The large metal structures and end caps were located in one general location and retained a sufficiently original dimension most likely because they were not subject to direct implosion forces..were only attached outside of the pressure vessel. Anything within it, human bodies, gear, equipment, plumbing, computers, cameras, heating equipment, etc…none of that is going to be located. a combination of incredible destructive forces and then dropping all that debris atop many layers of current and thermocline layers. the scattering of it would be vast…I doubt anyone will find much of anything they have not already located with the ROV…big solid outer structures only.
For the families, the consolation is that no one in that vessel felt any pain…it was over far faster than even the human neuron can make a connection in response…probably, all things considered, relative to others ways to experience death..immediate.
In an implosion at that depth, there wouldn’t be anything left anyway. Not likely even their bones.
Exactly – because the “Accepted Truth” of this account is just way too bloody Stupid.
And Predictable.
5 People crawling into a cardboard Sub – for a Fun Trip to the Bottom of the Sea.
They have spent MORE on some Hollywood SETS for a 2 hr movie.
From a poster on GAB: A few points about the OceanGate sub passengers:
– Dawood is a member of the WEF and connected to Prince Charles directly through the Prince’s Trust
– Dawood is also connected to the Belinda and Mel Gates Foundation
– Harding had a company flying people to Antarctica
– David de Rothschild was on the board of OceanGate
– there are connections to TerraMar and Ghislaine
The Russian military is criticizing the US and UK for sending arms to the Ukraine/NATO. They have repeatedly said, and I paraphrase, payback is a b*tch. Who is doing the funding against Russia? How many top Russians have been “suicided”? Russians can do covert ops too. Just saying.
Any conjecture on the end game? What’s the game value of offing any of the passengers and/or crew in this scenario? American founder of the company operating the sub, French submariner, English billionaire adventurer and Pakistani businessman/son.
Was OceanGate a front for something? How many here had ever heard of it, or its trips to Titanic, before Sunday? Did David Pogue give it cover?
I posted something about it in the open thread on Monday and noted zero interest so figured it was outside the realm of discussion or prayers and moved on. Apparently that changed. Was it all an elaborate op? IDK, my gut tells me no. I’m rarely surprised so….
It’s about time we had a couple of Conspiracy Theories….
https://jdrucker.substack.com/p/is-a-titanic-conspiracy-theory-tied?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=682517&post_id=130329059&isFreemail=true&utm_medium=email
Wow did not know the angle about the men on board that opposed the Federal Reserve creation.
It seems the US Navy detected this implosion almost immediately, hours after the submarine began its journey, but chose to reveal it today prompting several people to infer that it was timed to mitigate some of the stink from the IRS whistleblower testimony, covered here in another article.
yeah, maybe
but that also could be just a heaping helping of confirmation bias
remember Q?
Q: something big is coming this week
Q: really big
Q: Boom
Q: Boom Boom Boom
Then something big would happen and Q fans would say “see? Q predicted yada yada yada”
Truth be told, something “big” happens most every week
Gnomesayin’?
One thing I like about CTH is all the ‘what if’ and examining the various rabbit holes. Some bear fruit, others are, as we say in the oil business, dry holes. Learning occurs.
A wise guy once told me ‘son, the more you know the more you know how little you know‘. The honor guard laid him to rest decades ago but I still remember that. Thanks dad.
Diversity Inclusion Equity (DIE) claims another raft of souls to eternal suffering.