The nature of our politically corrupt justice system takes on new clarity today as a jury in New York City decided President Trump did not rape E. Jean Carroll, the crazy moonbat funded by political operatives, but President Trump did defame her in his denial of the accusation. Thus, the jury awards damages to the false accuser, while finding the accused not guilty.
Presumably the position of the jury was that something ‘may have happened‘ because this was not a criminal trial outcome which would be based on “beyond a reasonable doubt” as the standard. Instead, this verdict was based on the possibility that something ‘may have happened,’ albeit not proven, and President Donald Trump was defamatory toward the accuser in his strong denials of the accusation.
The jury awarded $2million in compensatory damages and $20,000 in punitive damages for the battery allegation. The jury awarded $1 million in compensatory damages for the defamation and $1.7million for the repair of her reputation. They awarded another $280,000 in punitive damages for the defamation. (read more)
Keep in mind that New York wrote a new law specifically to provide E Jean Carroll a pathway to file a lawsuit over the allegation that something might have happened sometime in the past, though the accuser could not identify what year President Trump assaulted her. The accuser, a woman of notoriously odd behavior and remarkably unstable mindset, was funded by billionaire LinkedIn founder and very vocal Trump critic, Reid Hoffman.
New York created the new law for Ms. Carroll, Reid Hoffman paid for the legal costs, and Ms. Carroll made her sketchy accusations of something, from sometime, that wasn’t certain to have happened. There were no witnesses to the claimed events, there was no evidence the event took place, there was nothing to indicate Ms. Carroll or Mr. Trump were even in the same place at the same time.
However, the judge in the case permitted the presentation of possibility, then blocked President Trump from speaking about the case, and then instructed the jury to consider that Ms Carroll’s claims may have indeed taken place, at some point – although no evidence exists and no one knows when, not even Ms Carroll.
In any other situation this case would have been thrown out of court for being ridiculous. However, in the modern era where justice is metered by regional public opinion that is based on Lawfare and political motivation, we get this situation. President Trump responded below:
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The hate for these folks runs really deep in this individual
A great place for the first Russian A bomb NYC
It won’t be the Russians doing it.
Nawww….a few (or more) hypersonic conventionally armed or with an inert (either tungsten or the DU that the UK and US warmongers like to use) warhead would send the message just fine, without the mess that a nuke will produce.
Dear New York City Folks,
You really need to get out of New York City and breathe fresh air. It will clear your crazed minds.
Sincerely,
The Rest of the Country
It’s not just NY
No! Not in my quiet little town. CITY of New York! They made their hell. Let them rot there…
Dear New York City Folks
Please stay in place. The rest of the country do not want anymore of you descending on honest and truthful people and spoiling what goodness we have outside of NYC. Just think about it, you will all be eligible to ingest the new and improved scientifically manufactured food that tastes just like the real thing, w/added ground up local roaches and other NYC delicacies you now enjoy. Free food for when there are no more gas/diesel driven delivery trucks from across the heartland due to idiots in your state gubment that ban all deliveries due to climate changes and non woke genderization drivers that only want to make an honest living but can’t. You can all be self sufficient. Escape from NY is just a fantasy. Stay put. your oasis on the Hudson demands it. 3rd world dumps will all be jealous of the free food manufactured locally and flock to your empty high rises for shelter and no utilities.
Just stay out of Florida, please! We’re full!
I keep reading about people that live there complaining. I have a relative there.
I was born here and spent all but 13 of my Forty some odd years in different spots in the State and it’s going off a cliff.
They should stay south of Putnam County. No need to come any further north in NYS.
Their country homes are in Putnam County. That is where they retreat to.
Why would anyone wish that contamination on residents of other cities and States? Build a wall – keep them inside, we can set up a whole new industry called Need to Escape? Just call Snake Pliskin, 1-800 —
I think there was a movie once about escape from NY……Kert Russel?
No….keep them there, and build the wall higher.
Presenting a legal defense in which you assert your innocence now exposes you to defamation charges and punitive damages.
Even if you are found innocent or not liable.
In a court of the United States.
We are but a few steps from dunking the suspected witch to determine if she floats.
In a first in U.S. history, a presidential candidate in an election campaign will be forbidden to defend himself from political accusations pertaining to a criminal trial.
Former President Donald Trump has been restricted from publicly posting about certain evidence in the criminal hush money case against him on social media, according to an order issued by New York State Judge Juan Merchan.
The order largely grants a request from Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg, which limits what Trump can disclose publicly about the new evidence from the prosecution before the case goes to trial.
https://beckernews.com/donald-trump-is-issued-gag-order-over-criminal-trial-at-manhattan-d-a-s-request-50283/
It is with absolute certainty that Bragg will leak evidence so Trump can be blamed for violating the order.
It’s full on war. Anything goes.
I agree! This is so one sided!
Anything goes.
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Ahhhh, but if only…..
Monty Python?
far more evil than spoof…
Thats not a nose, it’s a carrot!
Loons like Carroll are a dime a dozen in Manhattan. The ny public is so use to their own insanity that it all looks normal to them. At this point too many are truly lost and incapable of joining the healthy minded.
Yes. I have a relative that is a commmie in NYC. She is an old hag shacked up with a 35 yr old. Vile.
Jean, you ignorant slut.
President Trump needs to countersue this vile creature until she is homeless and destitute.
This sounds more like a game the elite play.
Pay the legal fees and if you succeed with the damage you get to brag to your friends.
Like the woman at the center of ROE V WADE admitted on her death bed. They paid her and told her what to say—so she said it.
Norma McCorvey (ms jane doe) actually never had an abortion and delivered 2 or 3 offspring.
Yes, she was a paid off puppet of the LEFT.
In my opinion that NY jury is is either extremely biased or delusional.
Maybe both.
Kinda like having a jury of wolves deciding the fate of a lamb that insulted a wolf by refusing the wolfs dinner invitation.
I’m guessing the folks on the jury are now all millionaires.
More like a pack of jackals.
It sounds like Trump needs to take his case to the higher courts due to the law passage formed to target him. Where were his attorneys on this?
As usual Trump’s personnel choices were poor.
His lawyer was rubbish.
Joe Tacopina was not a rubbish lawyer. He’s one of the best defense attorneys in the city. I followed the case,
he did his best. President Trump didn’t have a chance with the standard presented in the case as well as the actions of a very biased judge.
I’m of the belief that it didn’t matter one whit who his lawyer was—Elmer Fudd would have sufficed because the truth was never sought. This was always going to be one big “Gotcha!” (No offense to Elmer Fudd.)
Clarence Darrow couldn’t win this case in NYC.
Or Johnny Cochran…
Change of venue for appeal say… anywhere in flyover.
Every time the Democrats take an unfair lawfare lick at President Trump, I donate again.
2024 must be a complete and total annihilation.
I agree! This is the only way to show PDJT support and watch his town hall on CNN and everywhere he goes!
Every time I believe our nation has reached bottom I am quickly proven wrong.
For some reason “we don’t have time for tone” popped into my head. I haven’t thought about that in awhile.
Trump Lawyer Says Trump Will Appeal Verdict in E. Jean Carroll Civil Lawsuit
https://archive.is/z7Hle#selection-821.10-821.87
Trump’s denial of the incident, Carroll’s attorney alleged during the trial, hurt Carroll’s career prospects as a journalist and a writer.
Carroll is 79 years old
as a urnolist!
Well, she lied about the rape that was what the jury said , the rest are shenanigans!
I sometimes see people on comment boards talking about how to get off of jury duty or joking about how they did something on purpose to get stricken from serving. Please don’t do that. The reason for all the crazy jury awards is because normal people with sense do whatever they can to keep from serving, and juries end up being morons who swallow whatever propaganda the uniparty is pushing. If regular people tried to get on juries instead of off, we wouldn’t see nearly as many terrible verdicts. Would it have made a difference here? I don’t know, but I do know it is very very lucky that Kyle Rittenhouse was prosecuted in the venue chosen with an overall decent jury pool. If that had been New York or DC or even in the midwest and regular people got excused (and bragged about it), the outcome of that trial could have been a whole lot different. Look at what happened in Austin. I bet people aren’t bragging about getting excused from that jury.
I couldn’t agree more. When I was a young, working, single-mom, juggling bills I was forced to request a release based on the financial impact of unpaid time off work. However, that’s back when I was a Democrat. After the kids were grown, life & experience brought me to switch parties to (R). I was in my 60’s, working 2nd shift just a few miles from the courthouse when I got another summons. Although my employer didn’t compensate for Jury Duty, even if I were called I’d only miss a hour or so at most which I could easily make up or afford. I was in a much better financial position, earning a higher salary, with only myself & pets to provide for so I eagerly showed up for my opportunity to serve.
I did get placed on a Jury and it was a great experience all around seeing how we all presented our logic, and ideas, put aside our initial subjective impressions and/or expanding on the State’s evidence. If the State didn’t present it then they failed to do their job, regardless of whether you think there’s a likelihood of guilt. In so doing, sticking to the Jury’s instructions we were actually able to use the State’s own expert testimony to work out the timeline according only to the facts presented, the jury pool was able to find the defendant not guilty on one of the charges.
It was a great experience to be entrusted with an opportunity to be honorable & responsible for the impact (power) I will have in another’s life.
Well, I hope Trump sues her for defamation, too, for accusing him of rape, since it’s now been ‘determined in the court of law’ that he didn’t. What’s good for the goose…..
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Yes it would seem that the “split” verdict that jurors were happy to use as a way to find in her favor is something of a double edged sword – Now that her claim of rape has been denied as happening by a jury , that claim , the one she has been loudly and publicly “defaming” PDJT with in the past has now become a problem for her ? … hmmm
A few thoughts from an old lawyer:
Ex post facto laws apply to criminal statutes, not civil claims. Several states have extended the statutes of limitations in sexual abuse cases for civil damages, usually to allow minors to sue for something that happened years ago. A lot of the claims against churches and the Boy Scouts have been filed under these statutes. Whether these kind of laws violate a defendant’s due process rights is a possible issue, since after years evidence is gone, memories fade, witnesses are unavailable.
As far as an appeal goes, the burden of proof is on the party appealing (Trump). He must prove the judge made an error of law or abused his discretion. An abuse of discretion is often an error of law, although comments in the courtroom might qualify. Evidentiary rulings can be the basis for appeal, although appeals courts usually let trial judges have discretion in evidentiary rulings.
Any reversible errors have be such that the verdict might have gone the other way if the error had not been made.
Trump’s lawyers will likely file post-trial motions, and then appeal. If a judge grants post-trial motions, it is a tacit admission that he made an error, something they rarely want to admit in public. It will end up in the Second Circuit eventually.
The first place to look for error would be the judge’s instructions to the jury. Admission of evidence is more of a discretionary matter. Credibility of witnesses is a matter for the jury to decide. A jury cam believe all, some or none of a witness’ testimony.
People don’t want to serve on a jury because they know the system is hopelessly corrupt and they have more important things to do like get on with their lives.
I think I would start at voir dire, hopefully they made objections to certain jurors that were seated anyway, and appeal on every last thing. The left making a huge mockery of any semblance of a justice system we have left.
Thanks for the explanation. I’ll continue to pray for a return to the balanced and equitable system of justice our founders envisioned and enacted. I won’t live to see it but can still pray for it.
There was no proof of contact by Carroll in her case against Trump, so the battery charge should fail on appeal.
The fact of contact is best proved by evidence like corroborating witnesses not closely associated with the plaintiff, for example store employees or customers who witnessed the event.
Photographs of any results from the contact are also helpful, but these only help establish that the contact happened, not that the plaintiff is giving an accurate description of how the contact happened.
Perhaps the best possible evidence, aside from the defendant admitting contact, is video or photographic evidence of the contact as it occurred. In the likely event that no evidence of this type is available, the plaintiff’s only proof of contact will be her testimony, which the defendant will most likely contradict with his own testimony.
As for the defamation, since when is it defamation to defend oneself in a lawsuit by refuting the allegations?
2 nd amendment
free speech
Here is an old lawyer joke -Lawyer to Witness on the Stand – “Do You know what Perjury is ?” . Witness : “ Yes , It is when you Don’t tell the Truth on the Stand “. Lawyer- “And do you know what happens if you commit Perjury ?” . Witness: “Yes , we win the case !”
But here She “cleverly” avoided perjury by having NOTHING to back up her claims or that could be proven wrong – but that tactic only works in special settings, like where PDJT is the defendant…
Kyle Becker
@kylenabecker
It appears that Donald Trump can be found ‘not guilty’ of rape, but be found guilty of ‘defaming’ the accuser; be criminally indicted on bogus charges during an election campaign, but get a gag order from a judge warning not to defend himself; can tell people to peacefully and patriotically make their voices heard on J6, but be accused of inciting an ‘insurrection’; be impeached over a call with the Ukrainian president seeking legitimate and credible information about Biden corruption in Ukraine that pertains to national security; be falsely accused of Russian collusion by a rival political candidate who committed actual Russian collusion; be raided for ‘classified documents’ he had the right to take as president, while being set up by a president who took classified documents while vice president and stored them in unsecure locations; be accused of ‘disinformation’ over the 2020 election by claiming it was ‘rigged,’ even as we have docs that prove the intel community committed ‘election interference’ by fabricating a letter calling the Hunter Biden laptop ‘disinformation.’
Maybe some MAGA patriots (out of state of course) could parade in front of the judges home. Certainly DOJ wouldn’t object.
… and that’s just for starters….
Hopefully this subhuman freak doesn’t move down to New Florida.
That might be a blessing in disguise…..
🙂 🙂 🙂
Thank you, Sundance! I wait for you to explain the event and calm my stress. I also pray!
I closed my LinkedIn account today. The AB boycott worked. Do the same with LinkedIn.
I kept putting off a LinkedIn account (should from a business perspective but didn’t want to associate with linkedin). Now you couldn’t pay me to have an account and if someone asks me why I don’t have an account, I’ll be blunt. We need to build and support non-progressive businesses.
Some yrs back opened a linkedin account and was promptly showered with spyware attacks. Closed the acct immediately.
It’s very sad when the location of a trial will determine its outcome. And it’s happening with increasing frequency. Restoring our justice system has to be top priority when Trump gets back in.
I was told that life isn’t always fair. I don’t think what happened today is what was it meant.
“ATTORNEY [Joe Tacopina] FOR TRUMP ADDRESSES VERDICT IN E. JEAN CARROLL DEFAMATION AND BATTERY CASE”
https://www.bitchute.com/video/JzjKy1whvCUB/
Such a COMPLETELY unbelievable story! I just…………no words!
I hope Sundance, Admin, & Treepers don’t get mad at for me reposting this. It’s more fitting here.
She said that she was raped 27 times and enjoyed a few of them!
Maybe these were all of her sexual encounters during her lifetime.
They intend to force Trump to literally pay for the abuses they’ll never stop heaping upon him.
This is happening because the injustice system has been allowed to perpetrate this against lowly citizens without the resources to fight, for many decades now. Nobody stood up against it then & the same nobodies are standing against it now.
Except PDJT.
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It gave them the media headlines they were after. Here’s one of YouTube’s recommended video headlines:
“Trump Found Guilty for Sexual Abuse, Defamation” CBS New York with a ticker inside the video thumbnail that read: @CBS NEWS NEW YORK 5:59 PM
BREAKING NEWS: JURY FINDS FMR. PRES. TRUMP LIABLE FOR SEXUALLY ABUSING E. JEAN CARROLL, AWARDS HER $5M
Every time the “Breaking News” container appears in my YT feed, I take advantage of the opportunity to block more MSM channels. Through this method I have blocked the channels of nearly every cable network, local network affiliate, newspaper, and most of the international media organizations.
This afternoon I got only one local affiliate channel in the widget, and even it had to admit Trump was found “not guilty.”
That did not save it from banishment, however.
This two way legal system simply doesn’t cut it. I’m so F’N mad – Damn these F’N morons setting some kind of new law to suit their nefarious purposes. I see no way we get this country back by any reasonably peaceful means anymore. A fight is coming, and I am absolutely certain that the people who think they will win it easily, are in for the surprise shortening of their miserable lives. Peter the Great had it right, displaying his enemy on lamp posts for all to see.
Yes, a fight is coming. It has started with the public boycotting Bud/Anhauser Bush. Also with the Patriots against Tucker Carlson’s firing by boycotting FNC.
“We have just begun.”
MAGA!
Wait, PDT was the one defamed. She accused him of rape and he didn’t do it. I hope that will be in the appeal.
That award should be worth at least $50 million….
The left will never stop until enough people wake up and stop them.
Which in my opinion we could easily stop the left using their own tactics .
But for some reason you can’t get enough people on the right grouped together to make a difference.
It seems conservatives get bound up in the minutiae of describing the righteous and moral high road to victory. The Communists merely point their armies in the direction of victory and head out. The high road doesn’t matter to them. Winning does.
Yes there are no rules in war…..The right is just waking up to that fact.
We must fight with truth. No lies are justified.
The conservatives care. The Elected in the Uniparty do not care. We are fighting the Uniparty at this point.
The boycotts on Bud/Anhauser-Busch and FNC are sending a preliminary message.
“W have just begun.”
Thats because our political leaders have no spine.
Who are THESE political leaders you speak of? WE HAVE NONE!!
This just opens the door for countless other accusers to crawl out of the New York swamp and demand a similar payday for accusations they can’t prove. Not just against Trump but against any other man.
Keep in mind that New York wrote a new law specifically to provide E Jean Carroll a pathway to file a lawsuit over the allegation that something might have happened sometime in the past
Could this mean there is a pathway forward to go after real rapists, the guy who shower with their daughter, and Epstein Island visitors?
EJ Carroll raped my psyche and defamed my evening by making me say a bunch of words I have been trying not to say after reading about her insane exploits. It was a Miracle I was able to pull off a delicious dinner after consuming that sort of news. These jokers are about to get hit with the mother of all class action suits for Mental Anguish..
Here is an example of real justice. When we abandon the Judeo-Christian foundation of the best in the Western legal system, the courts defend what is evil and wicked:
“A single witness shall not suffice against a person for any crime or for any wrong in connection with any offence that he has committed. Only on the evidence of two witnesses or of three witnesses shall a charge be established.
If a malicious witness arises to accuse a person of wrongdoing, then both parties to the dispute shall appear before the Lord, before the priests and the judges who are in office in those days. The judges shall enquire diligently, and if the witness is a false witness and has accused his brother falsely, then you shall do to him as he had meant to do to his brother.
So you shall purge the evil from your midst. And the rest shall hear and fear, and shall never again commit any such evil among you. Your eye shall not pity. It shall be life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.”
Deuteronomy 19:15-21
You know….
We used to just call it Christian. IJS
The hair on fire gang will be gloating and calling POTUS names
then they will say this will hurt him with women voters. But what
they dont; get is that women don;t like it when other women
make silly, riduculous claims such as this because then it make
it harder when woman really are victims of such crimes.. so
this will effect POTUS about the same way the Access Hollywood
tapes did.. and back then they were saying Trump was done after that
and well……
The retribution that is required to put this kind of thing down is going to have to be brutal.
Big surprise.
This is how they plan to run against him. Wait until he’s indicted/convicted for Jan 6th by a kangaroo court in D.C.
Better hold on to that statement, he’ll be needing it again.
E Jean Carroll – the new Blasey Ford.
So the Donald is accused of rape and found not guilty. Seems that could warrant a lawsuit for defamation.
NYC sounding like an Ayn Rand novel…
Donald Trump stepped on my toe 30 years ago. I want $50 million.
BaNanA REpUbliC
Utter foolishness and praying with hope she never sees a penny.
That skanky ho’s case has so many holes, you could drive a fleet of buses through it. Anyone who gives that psycho’s story any credence whatsoever is either functionally retarded or suffering from end-stage Trump Derangement Syndrome – or BOTH!
OUTRAGEOUS!
GET THE HELL OUT OF NEW YORK CITY.
Nahh they made their beds..
This is a travesty! So you are guilty of defamation when you defend yourself of accusations now! I am afraid for my son and daughter in this America now! Gif help us! It upside down world now! He and we must appeal and defend this nonsense!
Very glad this is being appealed.
After all, even if something had happened (which I don’t think it did) it was past the statute of limitations, evidence by the defense was disallowed, and the judge continually berated the defense lawyers throughout the trail. That’s not justice.
As a woman, I’m going to say she’s an embarrassment to women anywhere.
To make up a very poorly put together story and allow herself to be used by a corrupt body of people to try and advance a political narrative is outright repulsive.
I hope she never sees a dollar bill for what she’s done but if she does, I hope she checks herself into a mental institution for treatment.
For company, have her take the entire corrupt jury and legal team with her. They need at least as much psychiatric care as she does.
Far from being simply a miscarriage of justice, this is more like an abortion of justice.
Neither her outfit, nor her have aged well.
Trump was too kind.
she used to write a sex column for a fashion magazine – Elle I think it was.
She has always looked the same.
Yeah….insane!! LOL
IMESHO, change the venue and appeal.
HA! Good one.
I read the headline then laughed, thinking CTH is just Babylon Bee-ing me.
That this ‘could be’ the outcome of the kangaroo court…
I’ve now learned to take Sundance’s posts at face value.