This is so stunningly incredulous, and transparently politically orchestrated, it’s laughable.
The U.S. Intelligence Community (IC) defended the actions of the Biden administration last Saturday by saying three Chinese spy balloons had previously been deployed during the Trump administration. However, President Trump and all national security heads including Mike Pompeo (CIA), Richard Grenell and John Ratcliffe (DNI) denied ever hearing about these balloons.
To reconcile the claim of historic Chinese spy balloon operations, against the denials and absence of briefings for the Trump IC officials, the current Intel Community (and Biden Administration) are now claiming they only discovered the prior balloon flights *AFTER* President Trump left office.
Oh, and due to national security issues, the IC cannot explain how they found out after the fact.
Yes Alice, that’s their story, and they’re sticking to it.
WASHINGTON DC – The Biden administration is willing to brief former Trump officials on newly discovered intelligence that China sent spy balloons into U.S. airspace during their time in charge.
The offer, described by senior Biden administration officials on Sunday night, comes as former President Donald Trump and senior members of his national security team say they were never briefed on such an incursion by a Beijing-sent aircraft.
“This information was discovered after the prior administration left. The intelligence community is prepared to offer key officials from the Trump administration briefings on [China’s] surveillance program,” one of the officials said. The official, along with several others, asked not to be named in order to discuss sensitive information.
Briefers would also be willing to discuss Beijing’s similar operations in East Asia, South Asia and Europe over the last several years, the official said.
The proposal to brief the Trump officials is the latest development following the military’s shootdown of a Chinese spy balloon on Saturday, seven days after it entered U.S. airspace. Republicans and former Trump officials said this week that they would have downed the airship as soon as it appeared, and criticized President Joe Biden for waiting until the balloon was over water before bringing it down.
Yet on Saturday, a senior Defense Department official said that Chinese spy balloons entered American airspace three times during Trump’s tenure and once before during the current administration. The administration officials didn’t detail how they learned of those events long after they happened.
Still, it helps explain why five senior Trump administration officials POLITICO spoke with on Sunday said they were never told of such incidents occurring when they were in office. “This never happened. It would have never happened,” Trump told Fox News on Sunday. (read more)
He can sink the economy and divide and vacation a great deal
But taking any responsibly to him just does not appeal
He has less class than the back of a hack
When he morns for anyone but himself the tears run down his back
He will never be an enlightened man
‘Cause he gets his philosophy from a old fascist garbage can
He has so many pathologies it would make Freud’s knees knock
And his empty eyes stare could stop a cuckoo clock
If he would just take responsibility sometime somewhere
The MSM frogs would probably give him the Croix-de-Guerre
His cronies and moneymen get the pie and cake
And all We the People get we get is another bellyache
You might forget his smears and class and race warfare yell
But you’ll never forget the President from hell
This is very eery and very true….
The ’empty eyes’ line….is perfect….!
Empty dark eyes.
empty eyes are the windows to an empty soul
Desperation drives cowards to do unmanly things.
Beautifully said, Uncle!
Let’s just ask chy na if they sent any “weather balloons” our way during the President Trump administration.
That’ll tell us who’s lying.
I should shoot myself.
Charlotte, please don’t do it. We need all the functioning brain people we can get.
As I tell everyone I know who GETS IT…..there are way more of us than there are of them.
We need to organize, fight, defeat and destroy these heathen bastards who are destroying our country!
Quoting from Moon Of Alabama:
As the Global Times writes:
The Chinese foreign ministry asserts similar:
So China in fact had communicated with the U.S. and discussed the issue.
Its claim that the ballon went unexpectedly off course is by the way completely correct. The U.S. had long tracked the ballon over Alaska and Canada and was equally surprised when it suddenly turned south:
The cause of the surprising turn last week was a polar vortex over Canada that also brought a cold snap to the north-east:
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Such unusual weather patterns happen every once a while but are difficult to predict:
The balloon was on an easterly course over northwest Canada when it was hit by exceptional winds blowing south.
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It was a weather ballon that was pushed south by the polar vortex that just hit the NE of the US. The administration was told about it by the Chinese and then made up the spy balloon story and the subsequent story about three other ballons that flew over under Trump.
If that is the case, the administration could have explained the situation even prior to the balloon’s arrival. That they did not do so betrays a lack of faith in someone or casts doubt on the veracity of the Global Times story. Then, of course, there’s the question of whether China can be believed. Luckily, I have developed a lot of tolerance for uncertainty.
This what the Chinese were saying publicly:
Foreign Ministry Spokesperson’s Remarks on the Unintended Entry of a Chinese Unmanned Airship into US Airspace Due to Force Majeure
2023-02-03 21:32
Q: According to media reports, a Chinese unmanned airship has been spotted in US airspace. Do you have any comment?
A: The airship is from China. It is a civilian airship used for research, mainly meteorological, purposes. Affected by the Westerlies and with limited self-steering capability, the airship deviated far from its planned course. The Chinese side regrets the unintended entry of the airship into US airspace due to force majeure. The Chinese side will continue communicating with the US side and properly handle this unexpected situation caused by force majeure.
And later:
Wang Yi Has a Phone Call with US Secretary of State Antony Blinken at Request
2023-02-04 11:14
On the evening of February 3, 2023, Member of the Political Bureau of the CPC Central Committee and Director of the Office of the Central Commission for Foreign Affairs Wang Yi had a phone call with US Secretary of State Antony Blinken at request. The two sides communicated on how to handle isolated cases in a calm and professional manner.
Wang Yi stressed that China, as a responsible country, has always strictly abided by international law, and will not accept any groundless conjecture or hype. In the face of unexpected situations, what both sides should do is to maintain steadiness, communicate in time, avoid misjudgment and manage differences.
Global Times is a Chicom mouthpiece. Whatever the truth actually is in this case, you won’t find it in GT.
Ok, then let’s send the bill for the jets, and the missile to Justin.
In any scenario the junta comes out looking like the complete incompetent, inept a&&es they are:
Let’s say the above is true. It was an accident. The Chinese were in communication with Washington. Were they not malicious incompetents they could have simply disclosed that. But since they are children of the father of lies, they cannot speak the truth. So they overreact then try to save face.
Or perhaps the Chinese are the ones lying and it was not an accident. Again, the pernicious trolls in DC could have reacted differently. They did not have to let it remain in US airspace for nearly a week while they sat around debating the “safety” of bringing it down. But that would mean a smidgen of honesty. That is a concept with which they are unfamiliar. Therefore, they do what is natural – they lie.
Then as if to solidify their malignancy they blamed the exiled President for their perfidy “it happened under Trump but we did not tell him because he would have reacted irrationally. Nevertheless, it is still his fault for not responding to a threat he was not aware existed”. In other words, it is ALWAYS “Trump’s” fault.
They are fully aware that they are illegitimate, so they always have to cast aspersions on the “Trump” presidency. And of course, they knew they could count on their lapdog press to amplify the ridiculous assertion – for a time. Enough time to “damage” Trump. For all their “knowledge” and “expertise” they really did not think President Trump or his officials would not have responded to their extremely obvious lie?
Never to be outdone by their own lack of self-awareness, they now “come clean”. Wellll!!! It DID happen under “Trump”, but we did not know until now. You are tasked with the job of catching and eliminating national security threats and this threat happened not once but at least four times AND YOU DID NOT KNOW IT? YOU DID NOT SEE IT? That really is your story? You are really going to stick with it?
Well bless your hearts.
…and cue mike pence. His rescue mission may very well be forthcoming…
And Santa Claus got through every year also.
why didn’t the chinese come out immediately with their apologies for their balloon’s mistake?
My point is not about the chynese or their actions. “in any scenario the junta comes out looking like the complete incompetent, inept a&&es they are…”
They did.
But our media was not reporting it.
Probably got a bump in ratings from it.
Because like all their other clean up jobs they did not expect this to become public so soon.
From one to another, does this even remotely sound plausible? How cold is it at 60,000 ft?
-50 FILTHY LIBERALS would cry.
I am totally offended at all the idiots who don’t think Alaska is part of the U.S. The damn thing was in US airspace before it was in Canadian airspace.
“That it was only last week’s freak weather event that pushed the balloon across the U.S. makes it unlikely that it was intended to spy on U.S. proper.”
Meterologists in the U.S. and Europe collaborate to forecast atmospheric circulation at various levels of the atmosphere out to 240 hours (ten days) and make results available on the internets
Other nations may have similar forecasting capabilities, or at least the capability to download and use the collaborative forecasts
I’m sure China has the capability of using those data to project the likely path of a balloon released in China
“Freak” weather events may be “freak” but they are not unknown in advance
One can quibble about how accurate the forecasts may be, but there ARE forecasts
too many excuses
That BS. That route is exactly the Jet Stream that’s been on that course since Jesus was a Carpenter. This isn’t Reddit, we are critical thinkers.
Why didn’t KING XI call his FILTHY Crime Partner Hunter or Joe to ask about the weather?
ITS A hubris Balloon.
Shucks.
My BS meter just blew up.
NORAD enlisted Marty McFly and the flux capacitor to travel back in time to gather information on the balloons that went undetected years ago.
Ten THOUSAND jiggawatts !!!!
There is No. Way. that one of those Balloons could’ve flown over the U.S. and not been reported by *many* people on the ground.
Just like the one this past week was reported by people on the ground for days before the MSM ever mentioned it.
ummm … sometimes it’s overcast
not everywhere, but over large swaths of the country as weather systems generate high- and low-level cloud cover
U.S. FEDGOV bureaucracy is the enemy of liberty, prosperity and common decency. FEDGOV bureaucrats are non-uniformed combatants. Anyone not in the bureaucracy is an enemy. Remember how DJT was so proud to have General Mattis on his team? https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/02/treason-rep-waltz-says-dod-told-china-spy-balloons-crossed-us-trump-years-gen-mattis-not-tell-trump-thought/
And then comes the man who just wanted to be left alone.
When that man finally decides to ride, hell will follow.
When they get caught with their hand in the cookie jar so to speak….they lie like 4 yr olds every time!!!!
with chocolate all over their face – “I didn’t do it”
Not to worry, Gen. Milley is working on an approved target list of China aid workers and their families he can bomb and turn into shadows.
They were to busy undermining/spying on Trump and his team, they did not have time to do the job they were created to do.
the only 2 i believe r ratcliffe and grennell, and they both said beijing biden and his neutered idiots r lying… could we expect any other outcome… cya 24/7 for these clowns and their commie masters.
to prove they r lying, all one has to do is review the previous registered flight plans, if the claim is 3 balloons flew over US airspace during trump presidency, demand beijing biden state specifically the flight plan of the previous 3…
They’re all liars, I don’t believe anyone in our government.
https://thesakeris.global/2023/02/06/extraordinary-exceptionalism/
This is absolute bull crap.
Heads should roll.
All these changing stories about China spy balloons during Trump years sounds like those 50 prior intel experts who said Hunter Biden’s laptop was Russian disinformation.
Anyone at the Dept of Defense making up stories over a matter of national security at this level….or anyone in the government who lied or withheld this type of info from the prior administration needs to be called out and held accountable.
Treason
This must be the Lawfare division for National Intelligence talking – they better stick to digging up bogus legal claims against PDJT – this one doesn’t even pass the smell test – but nice try about willingness to brief all these unknowing top Trump people Now – and perhaps info was discovered in Joe’s Garage ?
“the IC cannot explain how they found out after the fact.”
Someone should be asking them if they found out about these prior flights, why were they so unprepared this time?
if it was true the media would have been all over President Trump
probably indict him for treason
I would be very wary of talking to any of those bastards. I would decline the briefing rather than risk being set up like a bowling pin.
the internet is your tonight, Joe “brass” knuckles.
you’ve earned it.
God Bless America
They will say anything and the media will say anything to cover for them. We have a big, big problem that must be addressed.
I can believe that PDJT was never told,
however,
“anonymous senior officials” isn’t something I’ve been trained to trust.
We can’t have it both ways, folks.
And I’m not saying that PDJT,Ratcliff and Grenell are lying.
What I’m saying is that anonymous sources should never be believed.
Without attaching a name to a quote, the quote is questionable.
You can’t question an anonymous quote. The trail of reference, of fact, stops right there.
We should know that by now
Yet, we are willing to use those anonymous sources as proof when it suits us.
And wave anonymous reports away when it doesn’t suit us.
Thats all.
does the federal government even realize the extent to which they have ruined any credibility they once may have had a smidgeon of?
the govt doesn’t care if we believe what it officially spews.
James R
@Realpersonpltcs
In other words, there is no out now. They’ve trapped themselves into either being a traitor or a liar. Trust me, being a liar is far better for them. 🤣🤣🤣
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Eric Matheny 🎙
@EricMMatheny
If there were Chinese spy balloons during Trump’s Administration and he did nothing about it, the Dems would’ve impeached him. Had he done something, the media would say he’s starting WW3. If Trump’s military advisors knew China was spying and didn’t tell him, that’s treason.
8:00 PM · Feb 6, 2023
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You can’t fly a Frisbee into US airspace without military radar spotting it’s signature. These people are effing evil and incredibly incompetent.
So NORAD refused to pass the detection on up the chain? Because they must have been detected in real time, that’
s NORAD’s reason for existing.
Balloons are big and slow, easily detected and tracked.
Someone’s bullsh*ting….they know you know they are lying, and they don’t care.
Apparently, NORAD can’t track a balloon with the payload the size of an airliner with their radar?
Hmmmm, sure I believe that.
Either the top echelons of the US Military lacked the honor to inform President Trump about a Chinese missile when Trump is actively negotiating with the Chinese President then, or they lack the honor to tell the truth now. Either way, they now have no honor and need to go.
Well, yeah.
Neither event that you outline is something to hang your hat on.
We know these people lie,lie,lie as a habit.
So, the mission is complete!
We have no idea why this happened. And the only info we can get that offers solutions
is compromised because we can’t believe the sources.
Its perfect. We, the public, don’t know what to think.
What a country!
Did not watch Brett baeir ,but FOX news clip:
I like this guy’s assessment of what happened with the balloon.
The Democrat administration is caught in a big lie . worrying about where the debris will hit is silly .
We put a man on the moon , we can triangulate where the debris will fall.
Fox news called out the general who was a guest and said China is lying then said if fox should ask china about the balloon!
.China would have shot down our balloon in a heartbeat if we were over their airspace.
We look weak to China and Russia and the whole world thinks we are incompetent.
Democrats need a better excuse for not shooting down .
Once again, it’s “The Idiot’s Defense.”
“We are not responsible. We do not know what is going on at the office. We just show up and park in the employee parking lot and sit in our cubicle all day waiting for memos from the supervisor.
This surveillance mumbo jumbo is something most of us don’t know anything about. Spying is complicated and most of us have never gotten sufficient training to understand what we are supposed to be looking for. I work in an inside office so I don’t even have any windows to look out of to see any large balloons that might be crossing in the sky above.
The only balloons discussed in our section were birthday and anniversary balloons delivered on special occasions.”
All to cover for the demented loser in the WH (and Obama in the basement).
So many in basements.
I guess that’s why they can claim not to know what is going on right over their heads.
The last opportunity we had to deal with the deep state traitors was when Trump appointed Bill Barr to be AG. Unfortunately, unbeknownst to Trump, Barr was one of the traitors.
The carrier of the “rumor”/lie was michael waltz r/FL. Weasel repuke who hates Trump. Made ads with few other vets trashing Trump. The ad maker is America Future Fund, which is funded by the Koch brothers. Anti Trump miserable POS.
However, today, mattis can out in a recorded video interview in FL and denies the lies that waltz is yammering about!
Long knife of michael waltz…he needs a power slap.
Are you forgetting that on January 6, 2021, General Mattis supported the UNIPARTY coup by publicly denouncing Trump for something he didn’t do? Remember? He said “Today’s violent assault on our Capitol, an effort to subjugate American democracy by mob rule, was fomented by Mr. Trump.” Remember? He said “His use of the Presidency to destroy trust in our election and to poison our respect for fellow citizens has been enabled by pseudo political leaders whose names will live in infamy as profiles in cowardice.” Remember? He said “Our Constitution and our Republic will overcome this stain and We the People will come together again in our never-ending effort to form a more perfect Union, while Mr. Trump will deservedly be left a man without a country.” Maybe he’s the one who is now lying to save himself from what would be a charge of TREASON?
Lying sacks of political crap. Do the Dem think we cannot see thru the B/S.
At this point they don’t care. They know they will not be held accountable.
Where’s the mouse middle finger?
Must be why they’re erecting fences around the capital again….
Cough, cough…BS…cough…BS, BS…cough…cough – Delta House Patriots
Apparently in 2018 the Chinese launched a balloon with 3 Hypersonic missiles attached.
The Epoch Times has the story and pictures for anyone interested.
The U.S. military is compromised. Gagillions to Ukraine, and the Chinese float a balloon 😂😖😖 a balloon apparently that may have Hypersonic missile capabilities over Alaska and all across the U.S.A.
😟😟
I think Milley is a Chinese agent. The entire military command class is just a bunch of cultural Marxists and any that aren’t are being weeded out. Very sad state of affairs and why I said it would take an uncompromising ruthless cut throat to clean it up.
Highly likely, here in Vancouver British Columbia. A H.K. ( Chinese ) investment outfit purchased our Expo 1986 lands for peanuts.
The land was on prime downtown Vancouver Real Estate.
City, Provincial and Federal politicians ensured that no Canadian or U.S. consortium could make the purchase.
The three hundred or so million dollar purchase, is now worth countless billions.
As I have mentioned before even in previously working class “ hoods” like ours.
Insane money is dumped in..
The Chinese couple in their later thirties paid something like $2.5 million for a 14 year old house.
Prior to moving in the almost gutted the place and put something like $600,000 to $700,000 in the renovation.
They are fine neighbours, the apparent wealth though is staggering.
Cheers!
That is standard practice for CCP members resettling in Western lands. They overpay for homes, leave them vacant for over a year, while a complete remodel is performed. There are hundreds if not thousands of instances of this happening over the past 10 years or so in my part of the Los Angeles County.
They are very superstitious. They believe it takes the spirits of the previous owners about a year to be cleared from the property, hence the year long, plus remodel periods. The doors must be oriented towards the street in a certain way. Address numbers cannot have certain digits in them.
They drive high end Mercedes, Lamborghinis, etc. Do not go to work. Have no visible means of support.
This do not go to work thing started long before the work from home covid nonsense.
A Chinese balloon entering US airspace for all to see is not the same level of national security threat as explaining how an unseen one was discovered???
This crap is so rabbit holey,
its a perfect way to deliver propaganda.
Im done with it.
Id rather focus on anything else.
Or, is this something else they kept from him?
We know they had no problem keeping secrets from President TRUMP. Or planning covert actions behind his back. Or blatantly ignoring orders. Or telling other foreign leaders he didn’t mean what he said or didn’t say behind his back.
Neither are good scenarios.
1600 PENN: When JFK Was Trump
In the rush to criticize the current president, we risk forgetting the lesson of the Kennedy years: There is danger in relying too heavily on the “wisdom” of the elders.
By JEFF GREENFIELD
30 Oct 2019
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/10/30/when-jfk-was-trump-229888/
They just cannot let go of Trump.
He is a whipping boy that keeps the idiots who support them engaged.
to lose to Trump, means they lose to the WILL OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
understand this clearly.
they KNOW they have to continue down this path of deceit and deception.
the alternative is that they will be held to treasonous criminal convictions.
Challenge accepted.
God Bless America
Big article by CNN on Dec 3 2020 about China using it’s new HAARP facility to change weather patterns and steal rain from other regions mainly India. Its possible that the balloon with the antenna was floating on our jet stream with inputs from the CCP’s HAARP array to see if they can change our weather to cause drought or massive rain at the wrong time of the year say during harvest or spring planting time. If I were a mad scientist or a commie that’s how I would pay the USA back.
Don’t allow them to change the narrative. The dang thing should have been shot down before it reached the US.
Exactly!
That is my thought also.
I’m sure 51 Intel officials will pinky swear to these new facts.
I don’t know which would be the most ridiculous, getting into WWIII over Ukraine or over a balloon.
so the question:
ahem…out of these so called “spy balloons” in the Trump Presidency, how many of them were geared with ADBS and actively transponding:
answer: ALL OF THEM!
It’s the one not so trivial data point of FACT that the so called intelligence agency has OMITTED TO MENTION ON PURPOSE.
why it matters: a spy balloon would NOT be actively transponding…exhibit: the recent balloon was NOT transponding!
There are two possibilities:
1. The election was a fraud. There was a coup and a conspiracy to install the senile navel gazing ambulatory basement dwelling imbecile, aka, Joe Malarkey because President Trump was too much of a threat to the globalists and their private agenda.
OR
2. Millions of Americans actually did roll out in record numbers setting every single record ever for a presidential election and chose Joe Malarkey as THEIR LEADER!
BOTH POSSIBILITIES ARE EQUALLY TERRIFYING !
God Bless America
Option 1 is terrifying.
Option 2 is TERRIFYING !!!
They like Christmas turkeys.. stuffed full of all kinds of shyt
joebama: “President Trump let it happen when he was in office, so it’s okay for me to do the same.”
Reporter: So it’s okay for you to do the same thing President Trump did? Spying on us is no big deal?
joebama: (deer in the headlights look)
and never will..
this is one of their achilles weakness.
lies are like balloons…you can try all your want to keep them afloat…but eventually the gravity of truth wins the day.
God Bless America
As an analyst, took this clip: “Wang Yi stressed that China, as a responsible country, has always strictly abided by international law, and will not accept any groundless conjecture or hype. In the face of unexpected situations, what both sides should do is to maintain steadiness, communicate in time, avoid misjudgment and manage differences.”
this statement is laughable. “red author Freda Utley’s worK: The China Story. in truth, whenever it pleased the Chinese they reneged on agreement after agreement during the lead to WW2, and beyond. XI, is an Atheistic and arrogant believer in Chinese Superiority. Well, and for those who perceive that our Government, in that time, was in support of Chang Ki Sheik, read Anthony Kubek’s Book – How the far East was lost. The malefactors, different names still exist.
My uncle was in Asia for 12 years…Japan, Hong Kong, & S. Korea, w/Dow Chemical.
Said he despised doing business with the Chinese…Said the ink would not be dry on a contract before they would be doing some sabotage to screw you. Absolutely hated them.
Former SECDEF General (Ret.) James Mattis Denies Any Knowledge Of Chinese Spy Balloons, During His Watch As SECDEF, Under President Trump!!!
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/02/breaking-general-mattis-says-no-knowledge-ccp-balloon-flying-us-watch-secretary-defense-trump-video/
FJB/LGB
Just another day in post-sovereign, post-constitutional, post-competent America.
I wasn’t your typical teenager.
I remember distinctly thinking, probably around my sophomore high school year, after some learning about the fall of the Roman and other empires, that the USA would not last forever. That it was a question of when, not if.
I also remember thinking that I would be long dead before the fall of the USA would transpire, so I didn’t need to worry about it.
I hate it when I am wrong.
We only know about this because a citizen reported on it. Funny no one saw the other balloons. Hmmm. These are truly traitors in our government.
I can’t fathom even leftists buying this garbage now…
Don’t underestimate the fecklessness and incompetence of people who think that truth is relative and that feelings trump reality.
There was not one person in the prevuiys organization who would do a thing to help even part of the Trump organization. What I want to know is why or should I say since they were so perfect,and they never did anything wrong, why were/are they so afraid of Trump . Why are they still afraid of him. Is it because he threatened to separate all the Alphabet agencies or was it just his threat to take care of the total agencies and see that they did no more harm? Ir is it just because they are all afraid of losing their cushy appointed (not elected)jobs if he is back in office?
“Perhaps I have made a fool of myself, but that can always be remedied with a little bit of dialectics.”
— Karl Marx
But a lie is still a lie, especially when it is so obvious.
Leftists believe anything a hard wired deep state government official says. They think Fauci is infallible for instance. Obama walks on water. Bubba Clinton is an elder statesman.
Oh yes there are a few. I have two left wing relatives that are buying it hook line and sinker!
Only in public.
because they’re not ‘buying’ anything, they’re taking one for the team. no matter how stupid it may seem but you and I they will take the hit.
If it makes Trump look bad, they’ll eat it up with a spoon and ask for more.