I am bumping this post to the top of the page and updating because, well, I’ll explain.
First, thank you. Sincere and genuine thankfulness for your fellowship. Visitors to this site continue to prove that our nation is created by, and an assembly of, the most decent, honest, generous and kind-hearted people in the world. The responses to the question of ‘why didn’t you take the covid-19 shot?’ are nothing short of remarkable.
In the bigger picture if you want to fill up your faith cup and recognize the scale of commonsense assembly in our nation, take the time to read through the 2,000+ responses.
The feedback you are providing is exceptional and trust me when I say that far more people are reading these responses than you could fathom. Additionally, the responses have reasserted my belief in the scale of our national assembly. There are far more of us, ordinary, hardworking, commonsense, pragmatic and smart people, than the self-described intellectual elites would ever admit.
In addition to the responses below, there have been hundreds of emails answering the question, which suddenly made me realize that no one has really ever asked this question before in a format that provides ordinary people with the ability to respond.
There is also a yearning to talk about this issue, publicly and with deliberation; massively so. And I am hopeful (insert grin here) this small corner of the internet is about to push this conversation into a much larger national forum. Our nation needs a big conversation about this.
If I had to pick a single phrase to encapsulate the myriad of phenomenal responses to the question I would use the phrase, “intellectual discernment”; which again provides buckets of faith that a large number of people are wide awake, albeit part of what I call a potato revolution growing safely underground.
Also, unbeknownst to front page readers I am stunned at the people in/around operation warp-speed, these are people in government directly attached to the issue, who have contacted CTH on the backside, stepped forward and said they also didn’t take the shot because, well, despite their belief in the purpose and principle at the time, things were just not adding up and ultimately seemed sketchy. They couldn’t talk (so they felt), couldn’t even hint at their concern; but when it came to making the personal decision, they waited.
I also owe it to you to answer the question of my own status, which is a big heck no – I did not take the jab.
Why? Because in the preceding years of all my research into the rapidly exposed corruption of our government, there was just no way in hell I was going to trust that same system. A system that literally was working outside the constitution and legal framework of our nation to destroy a sitting U.S. President is going to suddenly care about my health. Nope, it did not align. I also looked at the datapoint of the U.S.S. Comfort delivered to New York City under the grandest of media proclamations about impending medical doom, only to see the ship sit empty and completely unused despite the scale of the narrative that surround its purpose.
Lastly, and more obliquely, the datapoint of one of my heroes Franklin Graham assembling a NY field hospital to serve over 20,000 patients; another massive endeavor that sat empty and without use. However, prior to the hindsight, it was the in-real-time fight from officials in/around the area who tried to block Samaritans Purse from setting up the facility. If the SARS-CoV-2 issue was as great a threat as declared, then why would anyone fight to keep out a field hospital that could provide such relief. It just didn’t make sense.
Those issues, and others, formed the baseline of my inability to reconcile the key issue of ‘trust’ needed to believe in the vaccine. Additionally, I am healthy and not within any of the risk factors. However, I also feel strongly that each health decision is unique to the individual person, and everyone was making the best decisions for them based on the available information at the time; so, I carry no judgement for those who made a different choice.
As noted, I am bumping this to the top of the site so that our conversation can continue. Normally I would start a new thread, but this one is different. I don’t want to break the continuity and I want to provide everyone the ability to see they are not alone.
Love to all,
Sundance
Reader feedback request.
I was quite shocked to review a poll I took on the Twitter last month showing that 85% of the people who follow the CTH Twitter account [TLR2] did not take the COVID-19 jab.
Without any judgement implied or inferred I am genuinely curious, why not?
With the situation clearly in hindsight, and/or given all the pressure that may have been applied to each individual situation, I am genuinely curious what was it that made you choose not to take the COVID-19 vaccination.
If you are comfortable, and please understand that no pressure is intended in any way whatsoever, could you share why you didn’t take the vaccine and how do you feel about that decision in hindsight?
If you did take the vaccination, there is also no judgement in this question. As I said back in 2021 each individual is unique, each situation is unique, and each person has to make the best decision about what is in their individual best interests. So please, don’t let this issue divide our conversation.
I am genuinely curious as to the reason so many people would withstand the public and perhaps peer pressure to follow the ‘vaccination’ advice. Also, how has that decision impacted your life? Did you lose friends and family over your personal health decision? Did those relationships heal over time? Or anything else you might find pertinent to the general question.

I did not take the jab. I have never had a flu shot and never will. Viruses change with each contact with a host and guessing what will be effective against next years strain is just that. The fact this shot was never put thru pre clinical trials and proper approval by the medical industry and the FDA and is still being used under emergency authorization should tell you a lot. The manufacturers are absolved of any responsibility while the shot is being used under the emergency umbrella. I work for one of the facilities that produced the Moderna drug. And I do not do as I am told, just don’t like it. My company knows my status and chose not to force the shot on their employees knowing, I , and many others, would take our leave of them first.
Full court pressers about topics which scientifically didn’t make sense. Noticed the hostility to hydroxychloroquine. Tracked down the original chinese study and discovered that end-stage patients were given fatal doses, far above the decades old safe recommended dosages and Fauci misrepresenting the study results – claiming heart damage. Vaccine efficacy over immunity, virology 101 on spread/impact, mask requirements (despite virus being VERY small compared to mask weave and disclaimers on the packaging that it would not stop viruses, Oct 22, 2020 FDA presentation showing known side effects BEFORE vaccine distribution but they tried to hide the slide (shown for 1/4 second), the silence around ivermectin and Dr. Kory’s pleading before the senate subcommittee and subsequent censorship, my being censored on a social media platform despite having source material about Covid, treatments, interference in pharmaceutical prescriptions by doctors, censorship and threat of loss of license to practice medicine for talking about certain topics, questioning shot down, coordinated response and restrictions around the world, discovery in March 2019 by Barcelona of covid found in sewer samples, etc.
All that and realizing this “emergency” was built up on lie after lie, and the effort to inflict maximum damage.
The mask weave! I’d almost forgotten about that, how we were madly making our own masks. I downloaded a pattern even and used the wide metal closure tab from a bag of coffee beans for the nose clip. (Aside: During COVID-19 they stopped putting those metal closure tabs on bags of coffee. Now they put a reusable adhesive strip.) My cotton facemasks were “stylish”, but sadly ineffective, lip service to the mandates.
You hit a big nerve!
Am RN (ret) who worked in hemodialysis & ICUs for years. In dialysis, possibly 35% of staff contracted hepatitis B.
The high rate was an on-going hazard as the work constantly required handling contaminated needles (no guards on needles & they had to be cut off tubing & put in coffee can,) blood, blood products, caring for patients who were hepB positive; there was no vaccine until later in the ‘80’s.
We wore surgeons’ gloves & gowned, but it takes a mere flick of a needle to puncture the glove & skin.
On the plus side, we were constantly trained & educated on viral activity, & part of a study at UCLA involved in the development of the vaccine.
When the masking & lockdown started over Covid 19 & an experimental vaccine mandated, it flew in the face of thirty plus years of experience.
Along with others in ICU, I cared for a fellow RN who died of fulminating hepB in 3 days.
A personal observation to healthcare workers today:
The job you chose has its hazards. Take precautions, but think like a fireman if you want to stay in this profession. Your pledge is to go into that burning building; try to save lives entrusted to your care, or find a new career.
How true. Still get one journal, but will let expire. Info now is “how to get along with different races, cultures… .”
If we needed help with anything, that wasn’t on anyone’s list of things. We wanted, “Right heart cath readings & interpretations…” type information.
Contrary to current thinking, people were racially different years ago. Imagine that!
I started out suspicious due to the rushed implementation and took a “wait & see” approach, especially since the shots were only being given to the elderly at first. The longer things went on and the more I saw and learned, the stronger my resistance grew until it became a flat “No. Over
myyour dead body.”My one living (at the time) immediate family member felt the same way, even though old enough to qualify for the shot early on. We both had Delta together and both survived it, her with the help of monoclonal antibodies.
Our family has long been suspicious of doctors/”modern” medicine to a significant degree. My folks were into health food and natural medicine from way back in the 60’s and that never changed.
Self employed so no forcing behavior there, and didn’t receive any hardcore pushback from other fairly immediate family that I recall, and were basically ready to drop anyone that did so like a piece of used toilet paper if neccessary.
The initial lies,lies, more lies, bad politics, & lockstep “roll-out” of the pandemic made me very skeptical of the “vaccines” by the time the V roll-out came around.
Had already been doing a lot (lots!) of research on Covid and the politics of it myself, and the inconsistencies were huge and across many different aspects, not to mention the “science” was no longer following basic biology/science. Lies abounded. News would say about overflow hospitals yet; our the hospital was empty… ambulances parked in their lot…. Seen the outright LIES in the media and the twisting of information. Too much to go into here now. & Thank you! SD & the everyone at the Treehouse!
Most everyone was reacting in fear and panic. This was the most concerning to me. Logical thought, common sense and “science” left the general public. God would be looking at us in dismay; for where is the man with faith ?? I don’t mean fool hearted actions, but simple common sense left many…. When the govt has working family men/women convinced that it is wrong to see their grandchilden / families something is wrong.
The original pandemic seemed political driven, so why get a gene altering experimental “vaccine? (How many lies and wrong science which was does that simple sentence bring back?)
Remember Trumps State of the Union address? Yes – you do!
The one where Pelosi ripped the agenda apart at the end…. Trump brought up the china flu in that speech in the late fall… First i had heard of it and then wham! How many months LATER did it suddenly become a pandemic (yet the pandemic definition was changed so that this could be a “pandemic” and cause fear, and economy shut-down. Oh, and it was novel and just “discovered” in feb/mar. Lies. Hmm.. why was Pelosi so mad as to rip that paper..
The dems had been too quiet for awhile before in 2019…. This was the best way to ruin Trump, and his economy. I believe Trump called the globalist/deep state out on it by telling him he knew of their secret plan and made them move up the schedule… then Operation Warp Speed further buffered the bs.
Remember how quick and good Trumps other actions were ? Trump had to control the general fear in the people first and foremost, which as a good leader he did. And which generally saved his presidency term from being destroyed.
Fear destroyed many people and has torn many families / businesses apart. Some forever. Isolation, livelihoods lost, suicides, drug od’s, and vaccine reactions have killed many, and most families have not escaped without some damage. Some real stories from med staff that worked (or didn’t work) the pandemic and also during the time of vaccine rollout are interesting. Real people, real perspectives, yet most folks don’t believe it if you share them. But now, with the censorship and propaganda controls coming out regarding social media’s; it is interesting to consider why was it encouraged so much that we do not gather in person. (Down the road from us a fellow was fined $10,000 for having a child’s birthday party – about 10 family members of the child in total attended).
Further, the general dysfunction and encouraged ‘upside down” values and rewards have further warped our society and working generations.
Covid pay here was better than a lot of minimum wage jobs. People were happy now to be touting the COVID fear in anticipation of more free money. Oh, and how about the professionals who could now be on paid govt dole during the pandemic. Lots of backward money greasing the whole COVID narrative. After all these LIES and constructed destruction i could not trust the (undeclared) experimental “vaccine”was actually for good.
So more research, and i enquired of other peoples thoughts…. found families divided… up was down… and the mRNA vaccines had/have the potential for serious harm to the individual and the human race.
Folks were very black or white on the vax issue. Now folks seems to have alot more shades between which is good, however often seems to come from personal bad experience(s) of the vax which has them starting to try and reconcile some of the information.
I personally know of way too many people who have been vaccine injured, and i do not regret my decision not to be vax. Most of my family is not vax; we have walked away from very well paying jobs and were willing to do what it took for our personal freedoms of choice for ourselves, and for others even when they did not realize. As a corporation, we did not mandate the vax for our workers, yet sadly most ran out and voluntarily did it; and many are suffering.
My teen daughter got the vax (x2) (rebellious brat:), and after about six-eight months came to me asking for help. From my research put her on a full sweep of supplements, and god-willing, so far she has improved and seems back to normal. Been off the supplements for a couple months now and her immune is still good again, no lumps/swellings and her energy is back to normal.
God Bless everyone, with love and faith.
jm
When the shutdowns and lockdowns started, and especially when they crashed the DOW in March 2020, I felt in my bones that something was seriously sinister about the whole “corona virus” narrative. No, I’ll put it bluntly- I knew it (the false Covid1984 narrative, not the actual bioweapon) was actually a devious attack on the Trump economy (which at the time had been roaring, and stood in the way of a Leftist takeover in November). 3 years later, I am more convinced of this than ever. No “pandemic” in history had ever been surrounded (protected?) by so many lies, censorship, propaganda and political manipulation. It stunk to high heaven and there was no way in hell I was going to participate in the manufactured hysteria by submitting to the jab, which AS EVERYONE KNEW could never have been sufficiently tested for safety. 3 doctors “encouraged” me strongly to submit, even though I was not in a “risk group” and could well have had antibody protection, which only raised my suspicions, in that the medical profession for the first time ever was throwing antibodies right out the window. Who was orchestrating this murderous sham, was the big question remaining at that point.
I am very proud of myself that I saw things clearly in spite of enormous family and peer pressure. But I live in a kind of suspended horror in that I was unable to convince close family members, who’ve continued to take the fake “boosters” and will not talk to me about any of it. And I greatly fear President Trump’s heretofore silence on the deadly consequences of the fake “vaccines” will not serve him, or MAGA, well in 2024. Covid1984 was an intentional attack – as was Burn-Loot-Murder summer and the Crime of the Century Nov.3 2020) by a desperately wounded Leftist beast, and much of this horrid Great Pretending we are enduring (barely) is rooted in the pretense that it was not.
First of all I’m retired, so I haven’t had near as much pressure to get jabbed as those working or attending a school. When the Covid vaccine first became available, I wasn’t comfortable with it’s short test time and thought I might get it later after it had been safely in use for awhile. As time went on, I became less and less sold on getting jabbed because of all the adverse effects and failed protection that I had been hearing about.
I had been hospitalized in 1986 for over a week and nearly died with a pulmonary embolism following varicose vein surgery. I surely don’t want to develop any more blood clots and knowing there’s a real reason why the Covid jab is called the “clot shot”, I’m not going there. In addition in 2012, I was diagnosed with prostate cancer. Rather than have surgery, I have been participating in an active surveillance program with my doctor. The jab is known to inflame dormant cancers by suppressing the immune system, so me getting the jab doesn’t sound like a good plan to me.
And then after considering that, it seems to me that the largest majority of those contracting Covid by far have been vaxed. If there is still a Pandemic, it’s now a Pandemic of the vaxed. I’m much more afraid of adverse effects from getting the jab than I am of getting Covid so I’m gonna continue to decline the jab.
This 75 yo male, retired did not take any of the clot shots. I am not sure that I would have held out if my job forced me to it and I couldn’t finagle an exemption.
Firstly I have been skeptical of medical doctors for some time and go only for emergencies or serious problems. No checkups and no annual flu shots. I am in relatively good health and take no prescribed medications. Eat well and sleep well.
I caught Covid early on and relied on supplements Vit C, zinc, cod liver oil, oil of oregano, and multivitamin. all of which I was taking daily anyway. Covid gave me a bad cough, mild fever, aches, chills, and tiredness. After 5 days all better after lots of resting and sleeping.
I also got I think the Omicron bug when it first came out. Similar symptoms but not nearly as severe. Kicked that in 3 days using the same protocol except for 1 tablet of Ivermectin. I bought some Ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine online for emergencies and take quercetin daily as well.
Early on I heard stories about these effective treatments that were being suppressed and difficult to secure. The lockdowns, distancing and face masks didn’t make sense to me. My distrust of the medical community grew even more.
No cable TV for me, air antennae and Roku for entertainment, and OAN was my TV news source. I get most of my news from the internet and long-time Treehouse reader.
I have grown to have a serious case of despising liberals. I can’t help it. Anyone that is so stupid and sanctimonious about their beliefs just bugs the hell out of me. I avoid them at all costs. No arguing or engagement with them. I view most liberals as Communists or willing dupes and stay away from them.
+1 on your final paragraph, Money
Ditto
It’s so sad that we choose to politically divide ourselves from our family and neighbors. It only exacerbates the problem and creates the culture that the global elites are aiming for. Divide and Conquer. That’s their goal. Please reconsider and have the discussion with whoever is willing and open. Open discourse and free speech is the only way to discover truth.
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Critical thinking, common sense and research. The propaganda used to push the jab was so ridiculous that it gave itself away. The fact that the seasonal flu is more harmful than Covid, but yet the world was locked down because of it didn’t make any sense. On that note, tuberculosis alone kills millions every year, but somehow the world wasn’t ever locked down for that. Researched the FDA standards on trials of vaccines prior to the covid jab and found it to be very different. Found websites like Clinicaltrials.org, which shows that people were part of a clinical trial. When hospital protocols changed how they began to treat people with respiratory infections by removing proven treatments such as Ivermectin and intravenous vitamin c and replaced it with breathing tubes and Remdisiver. Learning that hospitals are getting mass amounts of money for each covid test, diagnosis, and death that they report. That the government opened the southern border to millions of illegal immigrants during the supposed “pandemic” and that they were transported and dropped off throughout the entire country. Learning that Polymerase Chain Reaction tests are a farce. And I could go on and on. Nobody in my immediate family has been tested nor jabbed and we are all still here and healthy. We don’t do flu shots either.
Yes, I did lose my job because I refused to be tested. My choice to not be jabbed hasn’t ruined my friendships much, but I do feel differently about the people who so easily went along with the nonsense. Their obedience has made life very difficult for others. It also upsets me that they could very well be shedding on us.
My very good friend is a biologist. He worked for a testing lab that did testing of the mRNA vaccines when the new technology came out. He worked with Dr. Malone. He worked with Bill Gates who he says is pure evil. After 10 years of testing the vaccine on ferrets, which have a respiratory system similar to humans, his team shut down the testing because 100% of the test animals died. My friend explained to me in great detail, how this new mRNA technology works, or rather doesn’t. He refused to get the COVID vaccine and that is why I also refuse to get the jab.
Easy to recognize governments pushing a lie.
Easy in part from my tree house fellowship and from reading the founders.
Educate others every opportunity; use history to illuminate.
….and you thought the holocaust was the pinnacle of evil in modern times.
Where to start? When the Covid first appeared and the MSM started shouting their government propaganda I made the decision to wait and see. The more I waited the more I saw and then heard, with nothing I heard was to the good I realized that I made the right decision to not get vaxxed. Must say that Fauci flip-flops made me lean back and say “really?”
Now we hear that those over 65 with the vax are having heart attacks. Me, being the ripe old age of 80 would have been right there with the 65-year-olds. I decided to say “NO!” to my Docs when they said I should take the vax (one of them wished me luck as he left) and took the supplements direction, which have worked very well to keep the Covid away.
To this day folks have been dropping right and left never to be seen or heard again. Thankfully I am not one of them and will be around to watch all my grandchildren grow to adulthood. I must also thank the Lord for giving me direction to do the right thing and turn my back on this death jab.
I knew a biologist retired from Pfizer that would not take it because he said you need to test such for 5-10 years and he knew others working for Pfizer who were retiring rather than take mRNA. To travel he took j and j which he explained was the adenovirus flu vaccine type and not of the same risks.
Also mentioned something about internal Pfizer emails throwing the doctors offices and carriers under the bus for not keeping the temperature and thawing requirements prior to injection causing the particles to break apart prior to injection.
When they rolled this out claiming 97 percent success rate, I looked at the population and was thinking that many would have had covidbor natural immunity by the time of the study, so Pfizer was taking credit for what nature had already provided.
I get they were possibly setting up trump. And the. The way they marketed it….emotional rather than real verifiable data…looked scammy…
I did not get a jab; no way! I never get a flu shot either. The flu shot is for the strain of the past year and so outdated. The jab for Covid is a hoax just like Covid is. In fact, I would not be surprised that the same entities who created the vaccine also created Covid. Bottom line the gov’t and CDC are not to be trusted.
Basic info at the time. #1 watched the development in Jan 2020 in China & was concerned it may be a bioweapon accident
due to the seeming over reaction by China. I work with Chinese scientists so it was discussed and so I was concerned & aware before the media generally.
But then came the data from the Princess ship, it showed in March that the maximum IFR for age adjusted U.S.
population was 0.3%, basically a bad flu. Also there has never been a successful corona virus vax, and IMO still unsuccessful. Of course the real IFR is much lower (worldwide) and almost zero for under 50.
I warned associates not to get it & especially not their children. After my warnings some said I might end up like
C. Heston in Omega. My response was basically it could go that way especially when you give this to a large % of the pop.
I was 63 @ the start in in excellent health and never got sick. In our work group only 1 out of eight got sick
in the orig. wave. This was probably due to T Cell immunity from OC43 (a corona virus cold) that we probably got years before. In my case the mid-90s. (see the scientific papers on OC 43) .
The one who did get sick was almost killed by the hospital as they offered no treatment in the first 6 days of infection
to stop viral replication, no Ivermectin, no HCQ w Zn, or what I took when I felt I may be getting something quercetin w Zn.
After the corona infected coworker got sicker they gave the disaster treatment of remdes. Due due pneumonia (probably caused or made worse by remdes) that person’s sickness scared others into getting the vax including the infected & recovered coworker when it became available. All the vaxed except the the recovered one & another got omnicron (5 out of 8 sick). I was surely infected with omnicron but did not get sick.
Good friend who I warned as did his brother, got the vax, after he got the booster he had problems the next day.
He has aortic dissection due to the spike protein going into his aorta walls. He will need surgery in the next 1-2 years &
if he survives (in his 50s) the surgery for his aneurysm he will take 6 mon. to recover.
One coworker had his mother in law die after the vax, he now assumes it was the vax.
Associates are now happy that their children did not get vaxed.
We received pressure from the company (large) to get vaxed and later it wanted info on if we were vaxed.
4 out of 8 refused to respond to the request for info even though it was mandatory.
Others in the company also refused. When the company along with other large comp. implemented renewed mask requirements in July highly paid peop. simply called up and said no, & the response was they would not be fired.
Masking died then & since I never wore one and never will I did not bother to ask.
I have convinced associates (prob. not really needed) to not get anymore boosters as the more you boost the more danger to one’s life.
Also I have never had a flu vax, which always seemed stupid but now we know they really are useless and are somewhat harmful also.
In fact after learning more during this time I have become opposed to most vaccines.
We need to exact punishment on those who implemented this & their little helpers.
Oh and I bought a lot of stocks at the bottom ~SP500@ 2400 or so in March of 2020 when the FED said they would support the markets & did very well, so I guess I should look to trade the next attempted genocide from DC.
ain’t takin nothin the gov says til they fix my neurological damage the 76′ swine flu shot caused-
they are liars – fkn bald face liars !
Early research of all aspects of the COVID so called pandemic.
It was worrying that all the old Pandemic rules and protocols, established over 100 years of medicine had been thrown out of the window it was obvious that something was wrong.
When they insisted on usingthe PCR tests at up to 45 cycles, which studies showed did not find any viable virus particles and so many asymptomatic “cases” were being counted I had trouble believing the Governments.
When they started suppressing the very medical protocols and medicines that the front line doctors were using to save lives it became even more obvious that something was very wrong indeed.
When they instead prescribed Remdesivir, with it’s prior failed clinical studies my alarm bells were really ringing.
Then when they suggested mRNA vaccines with only a few months of testing, compared to 6-10 years of testing for normal vaccines I new what all the changes were about, especially when the Governments of the world made their populations members of the phase 3 trials.
Just follow the money.
When I then read up on mRNA research there was no way that I would even consider having the vaccine.
I consider myself lucky that I have been a CAGW sceptic for the last 20 odd years and the web sites I used quickly identified all the issues that I have written about above.
Being a UK Trump supporter I of course also used this web site and GWP who also had like minded posters doing the same kind of research.
So thanks to all you deep divers.
ps. I also did a cost analysis prior to the rollout of the vaccines. during a discussion with a pro vaxxer in the vaccine industry.
Compare the cost of a week’s worth of cheap drugs costing pennies prescribed to the approximately 5% of the world that became ill enough to need them and double Vaccinating 5 billion people with vaccines costing $10-$30 each shot.
The logistics of actually vaccinating those 5 billion people with a new drug with no previous stocks was also a nightmare compared to handing out a few pills on demand. It would take so long that the Virus and it’s variants would continue to circulate.
The whole thing was an exercise it making billions of dollars/pounds etc for the Pharma companies and their shareholders.
I am in my mid 70s. I don’t like to take medication unless it is necessary. I especially don’t like take medication that hasn’t been tested or have been in the market for a while. Consequently, my wife and I did not take the job. Both of us did get Covid and we’re tested positive for me I felt poorly for two days. My wife felt sick for a couple more days. Both of us are fine and now have natural immunity.
I’m retired so there was no pressure, plus I had what I’m pretty sure was covid in May of 2020, so feel I have natural immunity now. I saw the whole covid thing as a scam from the very beginning
My wife and I refused because the “vaccine”is not a vaccine at all. It is a gene therapy experiment. Family relationships have suffered because of this. I didn’t get to see my elderly mother the last two years of her life because of this. My brother and I rarely talk anymore. My wife and her sister don’t speak at all anymore. We sold our house and fled to Florida at the height of the “covid” insanity.
We studied everything we could about how mRNA works and found that it invakes your cells and forces your own body to make what we now call the bioweapon 2.
And then the self-same body is expected to fight the weapon it is producing. Instructions are sent to produce this, but we were not assured of when ‘the instructions’ would stop.
Most importantly, Jesus said a house divided against itself will not stand, so we went with that truth.
Therefore, we thought it would be better for our bodies to fight the wild bioweapon 1, always seeing it as an invader, rather than being tricked into both manufacturing it and then fighting it.
Our decision to trust God’s Word did not fail us. We did not / could not know all the details and consequences of injecting this product, but we knew enough.
We are creationist home educators. We filter everything through the Word of God and we are quite used to recognizing conflicting narratives and worldviews and poor logic … and being in a minority.
Lastly, both my daughters at home have experienced adverse effects from the childhood vaccination schedule. Not as bad as others but enough to alert us that ‘maybe’ the powers that be do not have our best interests in mind.
I just kept scanning independent news sources for signals of what this is. As we went along and caught wind of the hot mess this actually was, we dug in our heels. The tyrrany was/is petrifying to see. I will never forget. Our lives will never be the same.
It was pretty much a no brainer from the get-go.
– there has never been a successful vaccine vs. a human coronavirus (and this is true as of 1/13/2023)
– those that had been attempted failed at the animal study stage
– no clinical trials on mRNA technology (and, in fact, many of those…including the early nanoparticle technology……failed well before clinical trials ever took place….see ‘Moderna’)
– rushed ‘vaccine’ (that is gene therapy) with zero liability for big pharma
– lipid composition of ‘nanoparticles’ using compounds never tested before and/or ‘proprietary’ (so little or no clues as to composition)
– gov re-defining basic scientific principles (definitions of ‘vaccine’, ‘herd immunity’, ‘gain-of-function’, etc)
– the coronavirus spike protein, though an obvious candidate for an immunogen, was known to be pathogenic in other coronaviruses
– having been at NIH back in the 80’s, I already had zero respect for Fauci and his ilk.
….and that’s just a start. I’m a (retired) Prof of Genetics and Microbiology…..and the obvious way to stop a human coronavirus (with zero likelihood of developing an effective vaccine) like this is to kill it (i.e., treat it) before it spreads to epidemic/pandemic proportions. We had/have the means to kill it….HCQ and, a bit later, ivermectin. That these were purposely attacked by big pharma, CDC, FDA, etc. told you ll you need to know. This could/should have been over by the Spring of 2021 at the latest.
I was also suspicious that the mRNA technology plus the inflammation that ‘vaccines’ typically induce (due to the adjuvants included) had the potential to activate the reverse transcriptase of endogenous retroelements in the human genome and potentially lead to insertion of DNA copies of the mRNA into the human genome. That this can occur was shown experimentally and published in preprint form in Dec. 2020 (principle investigator is a long-time and well-respected virologist). Whether this does occur ‘in the wild’ (i.e., in humans, etc) is not clear (as far as I’m aware)
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33330870/
Fortunately I was able to convince some family members and a few neighbors to avoid the ‘vaccine’ like the plague.
My husband and I got the first round of 2 doses, March/April 2021. I had questions, talked to my doctor who assured me the technology was not new. She had always provided reasonable advice; at that point I had no idea the level to which the medical – healthcare – profession had been corrupted. To this day I am haunted by my husband expressing doubts as we arrived at the county injection facility. He has more reasons to be concerned than I do. And yet we went ahead. Fortunately neither of us seem to be adversely affected, at least not much, a couple of questionable changes that are not debilitating. We both weathered mild omicron a year after those 2 doses.
By the time the boosters came out we had become well-informed of the dangers, prevarication, corruption. At that point we became a hard “no”.
Drs Malone, McCullough, and van der Bossche (sp?) were my initial sources. Then reading RFK’s e-book – cannot finish it, too stomach-turning – and Tracy Beanz interview with Celia Farber have led me to complete mistrust of the medical profession. Seeing this scam as part of a larger picture (nightmare of evil) is a significant aspect of my point of view.
I keep my distance from all of my family and many of my longest-term friends, expressing love for them while keeping my interactions with them to a minimum. Our tiny community is divided in ways that are unlikely to change. I no longer wish to cultivate close relationships beyond my husband. Turning inward to strengthen my love for God is a much higher priority. This is all fine with me, as the years ahead of are far fewer than those behind.
Sure do appreciate your work here, Sundance.
We chose not to be vaccinated. My first gut reaction was, “I’m not taking a new vaccine, especially one that has been rushed to market.” None of my children or grandchildren have been vaccinated as we were all on the same page with precautions toward medicines.
Four of my sisters did get jabbed and two are now having health issues, one with cancer and one with serious thyroid issues. Four brothers-in-law who have been jabbed were all negatively affected. Two have passed away and two are dealing with heart issues.
At one point during the raging Delta wave my husband was considering getting “protected”. I told him I would support him but I was NOT taking the shot because info was trickling out about side effects and I didn’t want to risk it. He wound up not getting the shot and has since thanked me for holding firm. We survived Covid with Ivermectin that we were able to get before our medical group banned their doctors from prescribing it.
Didn’t get vaxed, it just felt like bullcrap from day one and I have learnt to trust my instincts. When you have one of the most corrupt governments in the world, the US, pushing something, it behooves one to be cautious in the extreme. In hindsight I am relived I did not do it and I have very little to no empathy for those that are being taken out by the vax now, not the most neighborly position to take I realize, but it is what it is.
No one really tried to pressure me, they knew they would get nowhere, my mother however was constantly harassed by her silly friends and my equally silly father, my one aunt even had the audacity to say they should hold her down and jab her. The fact that she didn’t bow to peer pressure is quite impressive as she generally gives in to group think quite easily.
Like the “bullcrap from day one”. Hahah. Spot on, Patriot.
I did not take any vaccine shots. From the very start, the vaccine was questionable at best and very bad at worse. Unfortunately, it was even worse than anyone could have imagined. I am now 70 years old, and one of the “most vulnerable” in society or so they say. I do not like the government telling me what I have to do. I got a taste of it back when you had to have health insurance (Obama Care) or be penalized with a fine. That just crawled all over me. This force vaccination was another attempt at government overreach and sticking their nose in where it does NOT belong. My current view of this government is that 90% of them should either be in prison for life, or hung by the neck till dead, for treason against the United States of America. Even though the list of scum is very long, I for one, would much prefer the latter punishment being as the American People have supported these dregs of Mankind too long already and would not be fair or just, to make them continue to support their worthless, useless existence any long than need be. Sorry about being a little long winded on this comment, but there is so much to unpack.
I’m not vaccinated, never took a PCR test, nor wore a mask. I am in the ‘most risk’ category, by age. In Nov 2019, I had an unusually bad flu, and when covid was first publicized, assumed I had had it. Coming from the generation where natural immunity was lauded (measles, mumps, etc, in my childhood), I figured I was already protected. When the shots came out, I had already listened to a video discussing relative vs absolute risk, and realized, if I was not naturally immune, my risk was still minimal. I was also listening to videos about mRNA (never successful in the lab) and from Peter McCullough and Ryan Cole, very early on. I am an American expat, living in a small EU rural community, where just about everyone is vaxxed. I upped my vitamin intake (C, D3, zinc and. NAC). My issue now is not whether I will get covid (particularly as the variants became less and less dangerous, although more transmissible), but rather whether I will be contaminated by spike proteins being spread by the vaxxed.
In Dec 2019 in Va a close friend of the family died of symptoms closely associated with Covid 19. Followed within a few weeks by my 85 yr old mother having the same symptoms and needing hospitalization for pneumonia. She survived thank God. By March 2020 my 86 yr old Dad definitely had Covid and was bad off but never went to the hospital.
I was never an antivaxxer though I never received the flu vaccine due to lack of interest. My wife and kids took the flu vaccine yearly.
Early in the pandemic I lost trust in what the government was telling us when they said ivermectin and hydroxychoriquin didn’t work, that there was no treatment protocol except to go to the hospital when you were bad off, and then they started censoring/canceling those doctors on the front lines who were successfully treating Covid (Kory, Merrick, Zelenko,etc.). Not even a PSA re Vitamin D.
With Warp Speed there was no way they could describe the new “vaccine” as safe. Normally it takes 5-10 yrs to have enough data to make that kind of determination. At this point I did a lot of reading (and still do!). Most influential are the anonymous writings of A Midwestern Doctor, Dr Peter McCullough, Dr Robert Malone, Steve Kirsh, Dr Geert Vanden Bossche, Brett Weinstein, Joe Rogan, Igor Chudov, and many more).
I convinced my wife and college age kids not to get the jab. We live in Ga and the colleges did not require the kids to be vaccinated and life in Ga did not require one to be vaxxed. Not sure how we would have handled the situation in the locales that went overboard with the vax mandates.
It was definitely hard to be the only family members not vaxxed. Led to a confrontation at a family beach get together in May 2021. Even though I had invited the family to share my family’s vacation I was accused of putting the vaxxed family members in danger due to not doing the socially responsible thing and get the vaccine.
In Oct we had to do daily Covid test to go to my nephews wedding. Funny thing was members of both wedding parties caught Covid before and after the wedding even though fully vaxxed. We were definitely aware that we were one of the few not vaxxed at the wedding. We were not ostracized but there was an underlying tenseness especially as we took extra measures to prove we didn’t have Covid.
In Dec 2021 my wife and I came down with Covid. We followed the FLCCC protocol and recovered relatively quickly. At the same time other family members who were fully vaxxed caught it as well.
Now I fully believe the shots are not safe. The book Turtles All The Way Down has also convinced me that all of the vaccines have not been tested properly for safety. I have no regrets being the outcasts. My wife and kids thank me often. Only my parents have taken the booster. I believe my mother is the only one exhibiting health issues that I would subscribe as due to the vaccine though she would deny it.
Keep up the good work. I go to your site a number of times a day. I really value your perspective and think you are spot on with the weaponization of govt. Hopefully Jim Jordan reads your posts.
Thank you for asking for our perspective. All the best.
I was in Vegas in early February 2020. Attended a hockey game in a packed 18K seat arena. Went to buffets, was in a packed hotel, etc. Very close contact with a slew of people.
When I returned home to SW VA for around 10 days my energy was zapped. For the first day or so I thought it was jet lag but I have traveled west before and never experienced what I had. As COVID became a ‘thing’ my wife and I figured out we had COVID, and most likely a pretty strong strain of it. FYI, we experienced no other symptoms but fatigue.
As for not taking the jab:
1) I was strongly convinced I wouldn’t get it again
2) If I did, the death rate was extremely low
3) Not to brag but my immune system has been bullet proof. I rarely get sick. I trusted my body would throw COVID off
4) This vaccine was either sitting ready to go (a scary thought) or it was rushed out and not rigorously tested. I didn’t want to be a guinea pig.
As with many of you, my wife and I have lost relationships because of this issue but we praise God that we have maintained our good health since the 2020 trip to Vegas. And above all are so thankful to not worry about what the jab might due to us in the future.
I took the J & J dose because they said it was one and done with no need for the booster, and I only did that because the airlines wouldn’t let you fly without it. But I have strictly refused any booster whatsoever.
Btw, that is a beautiful picture. By any chance is it hwy 70 in Colorado?
Hubby, daughter, son in law, 15 year old grandson and myself did not get the jab, had no intention to get it. First it was our Faith, secondly and perhaps lastly it was the pushing hard here in Canada. As with all medication there always is a print out of all sorts of counter indications to a medicine. The last was having to sign, I heard from a friend that sat for 25 minutes, they took all his information, the person that gave the jab told him it was his choice to get it, then made him sign a few pages I was told. Constant jab commercials 24/7 pushing was abnormal. We chose to forego it, let God be our strength and healer, whatever would happen, it was our choice. My husband did get ill, he was with his brother trying to help him with some chores, as he was limited in what he could do. Sure as anything, my hubby had a temperature of 40 C could not swallow, did not eat or drink for 5 days, then during the night got up to go to the bathroom and fell down 13 stairs top to bottom. Ambulance came took him to the hospital, where he was diagnosed with C19 pneumonia, lung infection etc. Glory be to God he did not break one bone, no bruise, they did follow up and all else was good. The next day the doctor from the emergency room called me to ask what my husband had against Remdesivir as he declined taking it and would I OK it, No way I said. A few hours later same doctor called to say he did not need the R, was was getting other antibiotics and being pumped with fluids. On the 7th day he was discharged. Truth be told they said he needed oxygen at home, he was weak, but after 7 days his oxygen levels were back to normal. It took him a good 5 weeks to regain his strength back to his old self, to exercise, gain back the weight he lost, we are praising God each and every day for this positive outcome. I made this lengthy my apologies. Friends, I have not lost any, there are many in our church community that did take it, they were saying that we should as well, however I told them it was our choice, no one said more. A close friend jabbed and boosted twice told me she was sick for 3 months, her doctor took all kinds of so-called tests, and finally concluded it was C19. I just mentioned I am glad you are fine, but you followed all the guidelines with jabs, so strange you got sick, her reply was, I would have been so much worse had I not taken the jabs. ( I call them that, she did not) Again, sorry with my long story Sundance and my loving Treepers. God Bless. Slava Bogu. Amin Amen. The last thing, I want to say know of 4 people that died, were perfectly healthy, after their jabs they passed away, fairly young at that.
Well, in my other life I did immunohistochemistry in the brain.
I made experimental antibodies to a particular neurotransmitter that a lot of people have heard of. I also did work with novel growth proteins (labeled protein synthesis with gels) in axonal target finding during early development.
So, knowing that…I can tell you all of the methods they used are complete bullshit. You don’t shove a mRNA in something to generate a protein antigen. That’s just stupid as pocket lint (common for all Ph.D.s since 1990). If you want to recognize the spike protein and precipitate it with polyclonal antibodies you build a very large conjugate with the targeted protein and then go from there. (You bind the spike protein to multiple sites on a novel protein carrier with an aldehyde)
#purebloods baby. You won that coin toss.
Wow you use words I’ve never heard of, you sound very intelligent. Glad you didn’t get the vax
99.999999999% survival rate
Yet the govt pushed the jab SO HARD, made our neighbors and associates SHAME US into trying to make us get it, ran tv commercials that said something like “Get it to protect your neighbors”. Bullcrap. The more they pushed, the more suspicious I became.
I refused for a few reasons. One, the shot was new; you never buy a new model car the first year, do you? Two, it used new technology, the mRNA. Three, TPTB wanted me to; if they want me to do something, it’s probably not in my best interest! Finally, I had COVID and recovered from it; I have natural immunity, which trumps everything else.
Thank you Sundance for asking this question! If you would have listened to, I believe it was the first 2 weeks of the information Dr De@th and Dr Scarf were putting out, one of them said “if you walk in a supermarket isle and you cough, your germs will go up and over into the next isle”.
Well, I guess they never heard of gravity! The next day I went to the supermarket because I needed to see how high the isle were and I just started laughing! That’s when they lost me!
My husband and I are raising our granddaughter so I listened extremely closely the first 2 weeks. Our granddaughter I believe had it in February before the March lock down. She had a high fever. The doctor said it was a sinus infection. Put her on amoxicillin and in 2 days she was fine!
My granddaughter’s friend, whom was over the the night before never got anything! They were on my granddaughter’s bed side by side on their phones!
Anyway, my brother-in-law got ear cancer. My sister now has rheumatoid arthritis really bad and needs knee surgery which is this March. Him and my sister took the shots and boosters because their daughter said they couldn’t see their grandkids if they didn’t!!!!!
Please forgive me if this gets too long. I thank God everyday for my granddaughter’s volleyball coach! From April of that year to November when it got too cold to play anymore outside! He had the girls play outside volleyball. They went to 3 different nearby cities that had volleyball courts set up! I believe he saved their mental health! The girls were all in their teens and if you’ve ever raised a teenage girl, this was God sent!
I know too many relatives and friends that are having multiple health problems and serious ones! My neighbor next door is having heart problems along with now his red blood count is dangerously high. Sister-in-laws sister has woman issues and needs surgery and she already went through menopause years ago. Her husband has heart problems now! My nephews sister-in-law had miscarriages! I could go on and on. There isn’t a person I know that got the jab that is not effected in a bad way! It breaks my heart.
What really bothers me are these parents that got their child a jab just to go to certain colleges like my granddaughter’s boyfriend. My granddaughter’s list of colleges were short because there was no way in hell she is getting the jab!
During the lockdown I had to talk so many family members off the ledge. They were wiping down their mailboxes, airing out their food deliveries before bringing them in the house, etc! It was so sad for me to watch my loved ones so terrified.
They couldn’t believe I was so relaxed about all of it. I watched all and any seminars about the virus and jab. I love research so this came very easy for me to do. KNOWLEDGE IS POWER!
I remember my granddaughter’s friends moms would call me, because I’m the “old” woman of the group, (I’m in my middle 60s) when do you think the girls could play together? I said now but they (they are in their 40s) settled for April 1st!
Last comment. The volleyball girls coming up now are extremely quiet. No talking or yelling on the court and you need that in any sport. The coach has never seen that before in his 20 years of coaching and it saddens him. He is trying so hard to get them to open up. He blames it on the lockdown and parents terrifying their kids.
We need to pray that God blesses our children, their parents and America.
When I finally got COVID, I initially a fever and very tired, my company insisted on a test. The doctor instructions were for no medications,just go to the hospital if I wasn’t able to breath.
After 5 days my heart rate started going up and I felt lousy. I contacted frontline doctors and got ivermectin, an antibiotic and predisone or similar drug and I was feeling just fine in less than a week.
I will never trust a doctor again.
Wow, this thread quickly jumped to 24 pages, has to be some kind of record
When we the people are their clinical trial kind of makes sense 😉 outrageous that this unstudied poison was mandated!!! Glad 50% of my family is vax free and saddend that the other half was “mandated” to continue either school or employment. Not easy decisions and I continue to pray for all those who had to struggled with that choice 🙏💙
Reasons? There are many. Reports that the mRNA vaccine altered the immune system such that it would not function correctly in the future was probably the leading reason. Lack of testing. Lack of transparency regarding side effects. Those were the early reasons – before the lies had time to reveal themselves. “The vaccine will keep you from getting COVID!” “The vaccine will prevent you from transmitting COVID!” “If you take the vaccine the symptoms will be mild!” The unprecedented advertising campaign by government and big pharma. I’m 73. Recently recovered from COVID. Took ~6 days. Fatigue and extremely sore throat were leading symptoms. No congestion. Vitamin C, D3, Zinc, Quercetin and Ivermectin. Was prescribed Paxlovid did not take.
Started reading about what the virus was made of in January of 2020. When there was very little info on that. I came down with covid in March of 2020. I trusted that my immune system had been through the worst it was going to go through and I didn’t need the so-called vaccine.
People I know and love took the vaccine and have since died either from covid and other pre-existing conditions, or new and rapidly progressing cancers such as my sister’s uterine cancer and my brother in law’s glioblastoma. Then I again came down with a mild case of covid or omicron in December. A lot of persons I know took the vaccine and got covid anyway!!
I did not take the jab. Reasons:
Respiratory virus, aerosol borne, same as influenza. I have never taken Flu shot.Compulsory business, school and church closures… “stop the spread” for a respiratory aerosol borne virus… sounds odd because any human interaction with a symptomatic individual has potential to spread the virus, so “lock=downs” would need to be total to ensure this did not occur, but they were done selectively, in many cases with no rationale other than pure power grab.Compulsory facemask use… for an aerosol borne virus… really sounds odd because surgical masks don’t work for this, even if two or three are layered up.May 2020 George Floyd… the moment I knew this was much bigger and wasn’t about a virus.Compulsory injections of an experimental drug. This is super odd because it’s a well known violation of the Nuremberg code. Remember that the companies and federal government threatened this even before the jabs were available. The company I work for put out plenty of scary coercive threats but thankfully never got to the point of defining a compliance date or enforcing disciplinary actions. So a passive aggressive attitude coupled with some white lies and I was able to get by.So yeah by the time we get to #5 there was no way in hell I was having anyone inject me with that worthless garbage.
How do I feel about it now? Well, myocarditis in teens and young adults, that’s new; “died suddenly” becoming normal, excess deaths are up in all countries heavily jabbed. Yeah, I would do it all the same again God forbid.
What on earth do I pretend to possess to conclude, but a genuine wallow in ‘vast right-wing conspiracies”. For this, I and others are indebted to the info babes and buds. Thank you!
I got the first two shots in February of 2020, then stopped after that when it because it became abundantly clear the pharmaceutical companies did not know what they were doing and were in it for the money.
Retired Nurse who DID NOT take the VAC. I did my own research and read everything I could find. The Virus I believe originated in Fort Dietrich and made in China.Under Dr Fauci and the Gain of Function and funding. The Military Games Oct 18-27 in China 2019, is where this was released. Several cases in November 2019. January 2020 Super Bowl weekend I was very sick with chills for 3 day, no fever, joint aches, the worst red sore throat I ever had with cough& headache. Started taking Zinc.& 1 week later I started feeling better. Was this the Virus ??
I started reading articles about Physicians treating the Virus with Ivermcctin Who were told to stop treating by Hospital Administration and were eventually fired. The one thing the American People do not know is that when there is a new Virus YOU CANNOT developed a Vaccine if there is a therapeutic for treatmenthat is what started THE AMERICAN FRONT LINE DOCTORS. Jan 2021 I tested positive for the virus and contacted AFLDS AND RECEIVED MY MEDICATIONS Z PACK AND IVERMECTIN DELIVERED IN 48 HRS. After the first dose I could feel that I was getting better. To this day I still feel that this was developed for Population control
The Pharmaceutical companies are at fault for alot of meds that never should have been released to the public. I am 70 years old I eat healthy and I do like my red meat, exercise 3 x a week at the gym, NO fast or processed foods. LOVE TO COOK and NO MEDICATIONS take alot of Vitamins
I WILL NEVER TAKE THE VACCINE OF ANY KIND OR THE FLU SHOT
First of all I never had a flu shot. The second reason is I caught Covid at a Christmas Eve dinner along with seven other people. We all had different symptoms, mostly mild, and went on with our daily lives. I gave blood three months later and I had the anti-bodies in my system . No way did I want a Jab. Out of our group of 8, two people got the Jab. One because he was forced or he would loose his job. The other was a women who decided she should get it. She was nor pressured. My age at the time was 72. The ages ranged from 33,35, 55, 56, 65 , 75 and 78. I’m a firm believer of your life your choice. God Bless America.
Only a fool trusts the federal government.
Your request along with my admiration of your logical way of addressing issues led me to provide you with my position on Covid and the related vaccines.
I have read many of the responses so far and agree and align with most everything that has been shared. As such I too could write a very lengthy reply supported by lots of examples and opinions, but have decided to keep it short and simple.
When Covid became a pressing issue, common sense took over for me. The more the virus was hyped, the less I believed what was being said. The more they HYPED it, the Government, the Media, and eventually Big Pharma, the less I believed any of it.
I saw the lies early on and that made my Common Sense kick more into gear. I soon realized there was an end game to everything going on and I chose NOT to go along. I was not being a rebel, I just felt the population was being led and not being informed.
A big trigger for me was the demonization of common low cost drugs found to have positive effects for treatment. Why would the medical profession not want to EXPLORE all options to help the public gave rise to me to understand this was a scam and MONEY and POWER were elements pushing the Pandemic.
With my skepticism which became stronger and stronger, why in the hell would I ever consider injecting a rushed, new unknown medical technology into my body to treat something, which in 99% of the population could have symptoms of nothing less than a common cold or flu. Yes the facts that were proven how the cases of flu dropped dramatically solidified my fears that the HYPE was all they were after.
One of my first reasons is that I do not TRUST the Dems. Knew something was off when China was getting the blame and Gates and Fauchi were involved. Listened to Dr. Malone and several others and decided it was not for me. Tried to talk my sons into refusing it but their wives insisted they get it. One had spikes on both his legs for weeks and one had to have stint put in to keep a clot from getting near his heart. When they refused to let Doctors use the 2 drugs that have worked on viruses for years my decision was made. Knowing how long vaccines usually take to get to the market also made me wonder what was going on. My Grandson also refused it. I did lose several friends that were forced to get it by employers. I hope some day their families get justice for their loved ones. A whistleblower nurse recently came out and and said that there were 3 number assigned to the Clot shot. Each # had a 1,2 or 3 after the main #. #1 was saline, #2 had a different ingredient and #3 was MRNA. Never trust any of them ever again.
I have a question – when have the dems __ever__ been honest? Just rhetorical .. we all know the answer. (Maybe Harry Truman “The buck stops here.”)
It just made sense not to take it. Every fiber in my body resisted. I cursed at people, I warned people, even my own children. Fell on deaf ears. I don’t know if it is common sense or just a simple no from the only God, Jesus Christ. They showed Italy with the death numbers sky high but it did not move me. Psycopath maybe, or just learning from an early age to study a gifted horse. Trojan horse. If I can answer the question I did follow CTH and GWP and more conservative sites before covid(flu with benefits) and that made me more aware about what the true agenda was for the future of mankind. I saw the signs from an early age, thanks to my father and older brother. So, I think we are a breed apart.
I watched the experts lie to my face. Day after day. Trump put Fauci and that scarf lady out there every day to lie to us.
Umm, Fauci and scarf lady Birx were Pence’s expert choices…
Although DJT still has responsibility as C-in–C and did choose man tan Pence.
He was still thinking Pence was loyal. I disliked Pence from the get-go, but my brother, a die-hard GOP and Trump supporter, was all-in for Pence. Go figure.
Trump thought he was doing the right thing … those liars were the only ones he had to depend on. He didn’t know they were liars at the time. How was he to know not to panic? I do not fault him for his actions then. However, today he could do himself a lot of good disowning Fauci and Birx and admitting he was duped.