After two days of testimony in Maricopa County, Arizona, Superior Court Judge Peter Thompson is preparing to deliver his ruling on the two legal challenges. A decision could be announced as early as today. Kari Lake is asking for the judge to declare her the winner or establish a new election.
The trial circled on two specific points of Kari Lake’s legal claims. One point alleges intentional misconduct with ballot printers, paper stock and tabulators. The second point on intentional subversion of required chain of custody processes for ballots.
On the merits of the two points, Kari Lake’s legal team did seem to prove that election officials intentionally and purposefully created a problem by generating a ballot that required 20-inch paper stock, then electronically modifying the ballot image (shrink to print) to a 19-inch standard. This caused tabulators to reject the ballots. There was also convincing testimony the chain of custody was intentionally violated.
A good rundown of Day-Two is HERE– Ms. Kari Lake then talked to media {Direct Rumble Link}
My own review of two days of testimony and court action is not optimistic toward Kari Lake’s challenge.
Yes, there is no doubt the election was intentionally screwed up by officials in Maricopa County who are transparently averse to the interests of Kari Lake. The bias and opposition expressed by the election officials is visible, palpable and substantive. These are activists within the county election system.
As a result, it’s clear the election officials did everything to influence or tilt the election outcome. Very clear. However, short of them taking the stand, taking an oath, and stating they cheated and broke the law, the value of plausible deniability protects them. It’s almost impossible to prove election fraud and tampering without an admission by those who did the fraud and tampering.
Lake had a steep uphill climb, and unfortunately one of the larger weaknesses carried by all MAGA candidates (in a general sense) is the low quality of their lawyers. I know each candidate cannot say it themselves, and I am aware it is not the popular thing to say out loud, but the quality of the lawyer is critical when the election challenge issues finally reach the courtroom.
There is a big difference between filing motions, writing legal opinions, and being able to structure questions in real time with witnesses under oath. Lakes legal team is very competent on the written legal analysis, but inside the court, where telling your story and winning your arguments through the testimony of the witnesses becomes important, Lakes legal team was weak. The questions were worded with unnecessary complexity and often missed the core truths.
The biggest example of the weak courtroom skill came when co-Elections Director for Maricopa County Robert Scott Jarrett perjured himself on the witness stand. The Lake team completely missed the moment, fumbled, spoke in circles and did a terrible job pointing out the brutal nature of the falsehoods Jarrett delivered. The defense lawyers breathed a sigh of relief.
Court cases are about telling the story of the truth, and getting the truthful story told through the testimony of others is a skill. There is a reason why top-notch courtroom lawyers are paid a great deal of money; the client is purchasing a skillset only held by a small segment of lawyers. Mrs. Lake had adequate representation, but the legal team was not up to the challenge of telling a compelling story in court in a manner that could climb the legal mountain they faced.
You can watch more about this issue via Bannon War Room {Direct Rumble Link at 03:45} Forward the video to 3:45.
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Chain of Custody
The minute, I knew the trial was a fix. No-one wanted to see or know who the two Maricopa County OBSERVERS are.
Two Maricopa County Arizona people were sent to Runbeck as OBSERVERS. Reportedly to watch Runbeck count the 295,000 ballots per Director Scott Jarrett. In short, the ballots were counted by Runbeck with unidentified and unquestioned Maricopa County people selected by Scott Jarrett. Who were these Maricopa County OBSERVERS and why were they not called by someone to testify since their existence was not revealed until late in the second day of the trial Apparently behind closed doors at Runbeck with security provided by government CICS contractors.
The Judge, the prosecutors and defendant attorneys at trial could have called these mystery people in to validate Scott Jarrett account. Were these Maricopa OBSERVERS FBI people?
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HEATHER HONEY: “I understand your question, and I would say that Somebody, a person, it’s my understanding the recorder is responsible for maintaining the Chain of custody, somebody made the decision NOT to do it and I would say that they made that decision knowing what the law was in Arizona.”
Heather Honey, Chain of custody expert on BOTH Runbeck and Maricopa County: “They weren’t following the legal requirements for chain of custody”. This would have included the two Maricopa County OBSERVERS.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/12/werent-following-legal-requirements-chain-custody-expert-kari-lake-trial-heather-honey-destroys-maricopas-defense/
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Jan Bryant: No, all the high speed scanning happens at Runbeck. So, those ballots go to Runbeck. As far as I know there were no observers there. I don’t know. I never got called to work at Runbeck. That’s all I can tell you.
https://cleverjourneys.com/2021/06/13/why-did-ballots-scanned-offsite-continue-to-be-delivered-to-maricopa-elections-center-after-voting-ended/
Correction
CICS contractorsshould be CICA contractorsWhat do the initials CICA stand for?
Cyber security and Infrastructure Security Agency’s (CISA)
CISA is a political hack joke of an entity. I am ~38½ years IT, all networking, worldwide, including security. The original head honcho joker who was run out on a rail during TRUMP’s years couldn’t spell IT and CISA is staffed by hacks (NOT hackers) whose charter it is to, again, spy on Americans. CISA is about as legitimate as a $7 bill.
I know who CISA is. Crooks.
I think it’s Central intelligence covers ass..
I would like to know if the court was told, they could not release the names of the OBSERVERS or who they worked for, if they exist.
Someone misspelling CACA.
t i h s
Do you care to know how I knew the election was fraudulent?
1. The same people who run state elections can run for office in those elections and people who administrate elections are allowed to participate in political activities (run PACs) against one of the candidates.
2. The courts intentionally set an unreasonable and unrealistically high standard of proof to make it utterly impossible for the plaintiff to prove voter fraud unless the person or a group of persons accused of fraud admit it and testify against themselves.
I honestly only wish the same standard would apply to every IRS audit. Let’s the U.S. Department of Treasury prove that my allegedly “underreported taxable income” affected a particular government program and that it “identifiably affected” the intended outcome of that government program.”
On top of that, the courts have been intentionally limiting discovery manipulating cases in front of them.
3. McConnell’s rumblings about “inappropriate candidates” and not being able to “better control the outcome of the Republican primaries because of the former president (Trump)” and now RNC’s Ronna Romney-McDaniel calling Kari Lake “a failed candidate” are big tells, very revealing.
ORGANIZED CRIMINAL ELECTION FRAUD is aggressively protected by the D.C. establishment and the judiciary. The issue is entirely bipartisan. Both the DNC and RNC are in on the scam. Voter fraud is how they remain in power so they can appoint and confirm more judges who would protect them and let them run the pelf and plundering.
Just how do you think the so called elites were able to work against us for decades and get away with it? And why did people ostensibly vote every time against their own best interest? It’s simple— control the elections to get control of law enforcement and judiciary so prosecution is waived, laws are intentionally misapplied to legalize their criminal activity and stifle any dissent.
But instead of recognizing that we are unable to vote or litigate our way out of this, we seem to be mesmerized and distracted by yet another in a series of futile attempts to litigate one of these fake elections in a system financed and fully controlled by the enemy.
This just came out. Now add this to the court case.
Arguably the worst part of the package is the money for so-called red flag laws. These allow the government to “legally” steal your firearms and strip your due-process rights even in the absence of a crime. Credit to MAGA patriot Lauren Boebert for discovering this blatantly unconstitutional scheme.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/12/another-nasty-surprise-gop-sellouts-gave-biden-regime-11-million-target-gun-owners-repulsive-omnibus-bill/
Yep. Need:
Third Party Populists led by Pres. Trump
In 2020, the WI supreme court ruled that over 200K illegal ballots were counted in the 2020 cycle. They also refused to overturn any of the races these ballots impacted in spite of the presidential race being decided by under 20K votes. They basically codified the fraud and emboldened the fraudsters. I doubt WI will ever see another GOP governor despite being a completely red state top to bottom except for two completely corrupt counties.
I say that to say these lawsuits do nothing but ensure more fraud. They have to be filed, I get that, but they have the opposite effect on future elections. They actually create more cheating and expand the cheating to other places in the state. There are people on the right that still claim “we are winning”. If this is what winning looks like I don’t want to see us really start losing.
By January 2025, this country will be unsalvageable outside of a civil war of some type and that would get crushed by the deep-state very quickly. I am not optimistic about this country at all. We are reaping what we have sown over the past 60+ years. As the great intellectual Jeremiah Wright famously said: “America’s Chickens are Coming Home to Roost”.
I basically agree with your observations. I would like to add Senator Ron Johnson will be the last R senator from Wisconsin. I disagree about the Reverend Wrong. He was saying what would happen was because you and all good patriots are the problem instead of himself and his hero Obamboozler.
It’s unsalvageable today.
To quote late George Carlin, “If you have selfish ignorant citizens, you’re going to get selfish ignorant leaders” and “Because if it’s really just the fault of these politicians, then where are all the other bright people of conscience? Where are all the bright, honest, intelligent Americans ready to step in and save the nation and lead the way? We don’t have people like that in this country. Everybody’s at the mall scratching his a…, picking his nose, taking his credit card out of a fannie-pack, and buying a pair of sneakers with lights in them.”
That was a broad brush.
Consider the Cavanaugh experience. Would you want to put your family and yourself through that? And that was with no skeletons in the closet.
You mean, one of the crafters of the Patriot Act? Please.
I would do it in a nanosecond except if I got that far I would get hit six ways to Sunday with a life destroying scandal and a follow-up “wrap-up smear” just to make sure.
The current framework for political elections is such, that any decent, honest and capable leader will be either discouraged or blocked from wining any of them.
What is with the plethora of George Carlin quotes?! Who cares what a dead liberal Comedian said. I grew up during the heydey of Carlin. Although funny AT TIMES, he was simply a liberal Catholic apostate hippie turned Entertainer turning his back on God.
Why don’t you doth quoth, study, and follow, a TRUE WARRIOR, like WILLIAM WALLACE?! Or FRANK ZAPPA, TED NUGENT, 10CommHESTON, or even JON VOIGHT if you want a real fighter from the Entertainment industry?!
You are an absolute fool if you think a Revolution would be crushed. The American Revolution was fought by ~3% of the then American population. We have, today, a massive seething angry extremely well-armed Silent Majority just under the surface lacking only one thing: solidarity of leadership. TRUMP is controlled opposition, and is NOT that leadership, but, when that leader emerges, it will be instantaneous and devastating to The Deep State. All the technology and prayers to satan in the world won’t save them. They truly are poking a sleeping bear and these treasonous traitorous “elites” just will not quit their treason. No enemy-of-the-State “elite” will EVER give up power or money voluntatily. History is replete. You have NO idea if you’ve never fought. You are wrong.
The CTH comment section could crowdsource a better case than the lawyers I’ve seen. It’s so upsetting.
Spot on–100 percent accurate!
That one lawyer with the bad hair…..GEEZ…..Does he think that gives him some sort of advantage??? On top of that , the annoying pacing while talking.It was hard to pay attention to his questions with his nervous constant pacing. He would constantly lose his train of thought. When the witnesses for the defendants would contradict themselves or lie the lawyers would not see to capitalize on it. On the other hand KL’s witnesses were good especially Ms. Honey. Hopefully the Judge paid close attention and took good notes. If he did he would connect the dots and evidence demands he grant KL another shot with another election.
There is a new war going on – led by that nasty Perkins Coie guy (Elias)- to attack, villify and eventually totally cancel any lawyer who DARES to take a case regarding an election challenge by an R. This is why the quality of lawyers is not so good…
He recently boasted to having large team of lawyers who will go after the lawyers for our side.
If only we had the same bloodthirsty army as the D’s have…
This is a great point, “If only we had the same bloodthirsty army as the D’s have…”. We can add this statement the tombstone of our now dead Republic.
Elias and his ilk are the face of the enemy.
Hard not to become nihilistic in today’s world.
IF New, you mean since 2020…
Well, yeah… it started with the Trump Team lawyers – they had such fun doing it they decided to make it a permanent feature.
Actually, since November 1963 in Dallas. We were really naive then and they still keep their comms secret, even today.
The question is why nobody goes after him? To paraphrase Carlin again, where are all the bright, honest, intelligent Americans ready to step in and save the nation and lead the way?
I dunno. Where was CARLIN? Stop the CARLIN already.
Bright intelligent people tend to stay away from government and politics.
That’s Obama’s team
It is NOT a new technique. It is monikered LAWFARE. Look it up. Educate yourself. Start here with this liberal-bent but quick read:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawfare
and
https://metager.org/meta/meta.ger3?eingabe=lawfare&focus=web&s=&f=&ff=&ft=&m= .
DO NOT USE GOOGLE PRODUCTS.
LAWFARE needs to be outlawed.
I agree with you over all. But, there is no jury present. If a witness takes the stand and commits perjury, the attorney needs to point it out. The judge will be the one to determine if it happened. Also I’m a little confused with the burden of proof. According to the defense, “Yes we broke the law but we didn’t break it enough to alter the results” so thanks for pointing it out Judge, we’ll do better ext time. This is insanity.
Me too. It’s a very sad day when state elections laws are purposefully breached by the individual (SOS) whose is responsible for upholding those very laws and they are awarded with the win. Why have laws if there is no expectation of following them and no accountability for not following them.
“Yes we broke the law but we didn’t break it enough to alter the results”
That didn’t work for Douglas Mackey, who should never have been indicted under the statute the DOJ used on him.
Sundance’s conclusions make me blue. But we have to remember that all of this is in God’s hands and in His time. God is not dead / Nor doth he sleep. The wrong shall fail / The right prevail.
True enough. So the next question is how displeased is he with our nation at this time?
Our naughty list is long. Even common grace is long gone. We need a spiritual revival.
Maybe God is telling you to get off your collective Holy behinds and do what is necessary to win elections in your insane country…the rest of us are waiting until American God-botherers learn not to be pussies and do something more substantive than dithering with your rosaries.
God is waiting….isn’t it a lesson that God helps those who help themselves? Maybe Religious folk are cowards who refuse to fight for justice and allow massive crimes to go unpunished…because you say you believe God will fix it?
This is not to you particularly…it is to the very many who make these inane comments every day. Why should God assist you if you are so lame you wont lift a hand to save yourselves…and the rest of us I might add. The entire world is at the gates of hell and you idiots continue to blather about how God will save us all….well did he do that with the fake pandemic? The last elections? The bloody unholy war against Russia…cause they don’t follow the dictates of the WEF?
Come on!!
Precisely as Scofield / Rockefeller intended…
First sane thing I’ve read. What the hell has happened to American MEN? Everything, EVERYTHING, that is happening can be hearkened back to the 1963 reading in to The Congressional Record China’s 45 goals to take America from the inside without ever firing a shot. 1 of the 45 was to emasculate and effeminize the men to severely weaken our defenses. Between sissifying, trans, and God knows what other crap men are doing to themselves that I don’t pretend to begin to understand, nor do I want to, China is slowly crawling through and completing their 45 goals like a Project Manager from Sheol. ALL THIS and EVERYTHING HAPPENING can be linked to those 45 goals, and is simply the Commies waiting patiently and diligently working to eventually march in to the US w/o firing a shot. Hell, Fooldeau up in Canada is allowing Chinese standing armies to reside just North of our US borders. WAKE THE EFF UP!
Or, as a blogging acquaintance used to sign off with:
“There will be national repentance, or there will be National death.”
As much as I hate it, at some point America as we know it is going to fall. I’m fighting against it the best I can; but the Bible teaches that America will be either gone or a very insignficant player in the World when the godless nations march against Israel. When the fall happens is what is in the hands of God. We don’t know when, so we keep fighting best we can.
Pretty bloody displeased I would have said!
I think we’re very soon to see just how “alive” He is and that He’s lost none of His potency for dismissing evil.
I’m only worried about how severe this Nation will be dealt with.
Bugger off with your boorish God stuff, do you actually think God will fix it? If so why did he cause it?
You may want to brush up on The Declaration of Independence. The part about “And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine providence“.
IDK how it is now but in my father’s generation, that would be WW2, many soldiers, and generals too, prayed before going into battle. Apparently they found strength in prayer and faith. I still have the rosary my father carried. I daresay it’ll be getting some appropriate use before my time on this earth is done.
Maybe because so many Americans like you have thrown him overboard.
Study Grace, Bill. And Job.
Problem is the other side is saying the exact same thing. They fully believe their way is the right way and we feel just the opposite. Who is really wrong and who is really right? God will decide in the end.
The “side” who’s agenda is anti- God IS in the WRONG…… btw…….that is the godless DemoCommunists. Case dismissed.
Love love that song!!!
God helps those that help themselves.
The baseline that some bad actor has to confess to gerrymander the printer configuration and/or ballot format is just asinine.
If that’s the case, the bad actors simply need to keep doing what they did here or with some other hardware area and elections will keep on being stolen.
A true Judge would see gerrymandering was at play and he would at the very least rule for a do-over election.
Even if the malfunction was totally accidental a do-over is warranted.
It doesn’t matter what the size is of an in person filled out and hand counted ballot is, does it ?
Nope.
20 inch ballots don’t fit in the machine….so yes….it does matter somewhat.
The issue was not about 20″ ballots not fitting into the machine.
The issue was, the entire image of the printing had been shrunk, and thus the machine could not read the results of the ballot properly, because it was not calibrated to read a smaller image – even though the paper was the same size as a properly imaged ballot.
If one looks carefully at the two ballots (correct image and incorrect image side by side), it is possible to see the vertical margins are bigger on the incorrectly printed ballot.
The next question is, who shrunk the image inside of some of the printers?
Left below answer, also the hand count was bogus for a large number of reasons, you don’t think they fixed the machines only to have the ballots legally counted…do you? Also the size matters cause it proves the fraud, cause it is impossible to make that mistake by accident, as testified to by an expert wittiness.
And then due to the massive disruption many people did not vote, and estimated 200,000 ballots without chain of custody….whats wrong with you people?
Fix your bloody elections so the rest of the world can avoid your depression…if you cant be bothered for your own benefit.
Can’t be bothered? What do you suggest we do?
The people WHO HAVE THE POWER do not want the elections “fixed.” They like having their candidates selected.
We get out the vote, come to vote in droves, support legal efforts for election integrity and . . . .
. . . here we are, waiting for one judge to decide.
When we can no longer count on the ballot box, eventually – it’s going to come down to the cartridge box.
Heaven help us to prevent it from going that far.
The power these people have is at our generosity. Perhaps it is time to be less than generous.
“The baseline that some bad actor has to confess………….”
As long as the courts continue to uphold the Fifth Amendment, as they should, there will be no confessions from any bad actors.
…does ‘pleading the fifth’
work as a tool to prevent from being raided, or having something of possession, confiscated by fib, or anyone else?
Ask doh min yun.
MO….It was obvious that the ballot print of 19 inches was intentional because the county official admitted that it happened in 2020 and the primaries…..Because it was not fixed they knew the same issue would happen, Of course the official insinuated was poll workers accident pressing fit to size….but KL cyber security witness said that it was programed into the system….hope judge connects the dots cause the lawyers were confusing.
I find it hard to believe that poll workers at several locations would accidentally press fit-to-size on election day when the printers were working just fine the night before.
I don’t know the ins and outs of the law in this area but I haven’t seen any evidence seriously disputing the Lake team’s showing that the printer settings in Maricopa County were intentionally altered so votes wouldn’t count. Seems to me there should be a do over in Maricopa County.
They had to be altered by a human being and there should be log in information. It had to be intentional as the machine can’t change this by itself.
Agreed, but will you people do anything about it? No, no you will not, and so the courts feel perfectly safe delivering unlawful findings against you…cause you are wimps and will do….nothing, again.
You might see the rest of us are getting a little hot under the collar with the lack of care and consideration for the rest of us with your blithering ineptitude.
Who are the rest of us?
ok IB – you are an obnoxious critic so you must have all the answers – what’s next?
No pretence anymore the U.S.A.
Is no longer representative of its people.
As always it’s in Gods hands..
Seems like he is punishing us in the Western nations.
Cheers!
It’s in our hands. God only gave us the means to do. It’s called the Second Amendment.
You’re a bullshitter. I see you characters bleating about your guns and how you are going to save the world with them…and yet you do nothing. I predict when they come to take your guns…you will do nothing then also.
Why should the USA save you? How about you save yourself and help all of us around the world. America doesn’t need to be the one leading the way by itself. Get on with saving yourself.
I wish he would just get on.
Maybe you should reread the commenting guidelines, because you just violated them.
IB is a keyboard warrior at best but more likely a common troll
No,
He is probably frightened, confused and angry.
We are in uncharted waters and unable to navigate safe passage.
Mostly because the captains and crews are satanic Gilligans.
Who cares WHAT he/she/it IS, ponder on what he/she/it pens. T’ain’t too far from TRUTH, if away from it at all … so far, nothing’s changed … and simply gotten worse …
Very first step: dox GEORGE SOROS and KLAUS SCHWAB, eliminate the “queens”, and the money …
According to TGP, very possible SBF from FTX will NEVER see the inside of a courtroom or be prosecuted. All that laundered stolen money to SlimeOcrats to steal more Elections, in some cases, say, in WI, D outspending R ~2:1.
WHADD’YA GONNA DO, SHEOPLE?! That’s all IB is conscious-raising-saying … like Lombardi screaming at halftime at a losing team. Get a thicker skin …
No he didn’t. He’s skating quite near, if not at, the middle of the rink of TRUTH. Makes you uncomfortable …
I have one more thing to say, Bill.
You told Coki …
“God is waiting….isn’t it a lesson that God helps those who help themselves? Maybe Religious folk are cowards who refuse to fight for justice and allow massive crimes to go unpunished…because you say you believe God will fix it?”
I say that we need to do it ourselves instead of relying on God and you attack me?
You also told Coki …
“Bugger off with your boorish God stuff”
Again, that clearly violates the posting guidelines.
Also, your on this thread posts lead me to believe you aren’t American and don’t live in the US. Care to share where you do live and what nationality you are? Maybe you should be spending more time worrying about your own country’s political scene? Hmmmmm?
He/she/it didn’t violate. Just made YOU uncomfortable. Chuck Swindoll: Life/attitude is 10% what happens, 90% how I/you react to it.
“He/she/it didn’t violate. “
I quote from the guidelines …
He clearly didn’t read my post.
Do you think he was kind or courteous in his replay to me or Coki? Just the opposite.
And he did indeed make a personal attack on both me and Coki.
I respect that perspective. My advice? Stay out of the way. Most colonists did and they benefited from the sacrifices of the few. And so it will be again.
Just curious, what have you done ?
Besides demanding that we should save you ?
The only time I have ever heard the term ‘God botherer ‘ was from a snobby, smug brit.
Hey, mind your station !
“‘God botherer ‘”
You’re right. God Botherer is indeed a UK or Australian derogatory.
You can tell they no longer fear us by the way the 19 Senators voted to increase FBI funding and NO border security money for the USA when they know millions have settled here illegally in the last 2 years. Even “conservatives” like wannabe POTUS Mr Tom Cotton.
Why would they have no more fear of us unless they knew they couldn’t lose elections?
All part of China 1963 45 goals to invade w/o a shot.
God is not punishing us, He is , ( collectively ), letting us enjoy what we have done to ourselves.
There would be no doubt if the Living God were punishing us.
Superior Court Judge Peter Thompson seemed to be more interested in getting this case out of the way, than in finding the truth. The problem is his family will suffer. Just like ours. If he does not stand strong. God help him.
He will suffer anyway …..as all of us will ….if he does not rule fairly.
Bollocks, it is the loony left who have the judge terrified. You will do nothing, am keen to get a bet on this if you feel lucky?
Won’t take any odds. China 1963 45 goals to invade w/o a shot. ‘sides, can use that money for more ammo.
He set a pretty much unattainable standard of proof from the beginning. Likely on purpose to make it impossible for Kari to win. If he would have allowed signature verification it is likelyKari would win. It is also likely that those signatures were forged and thus invalid ballots that should have never been there.
SCOTUS completely compromised. China 1963 45 goals to invade w/o a shot.
Retired Magistrate here: Before I became a Magistrate I was a trial attorney. The main goal of a good trial attorney is to make the complex understandable. You continue to hammer home your best legal arguments; you pay attention to the Judge’s facial expressions to see if you are making your point. If not, your switch your argument and try a different tact. I never used legalize; I just used language that anyone could understand. Common sense, the ability to think on your feet and the ability to stay calm are the marks of a good trial attorney.
Just because an attorney can make a good argument in a pleading, does not mean that same attorney can carry over that argument into a stressful court setting. “Street fighter” attorneys do the best in a court room.
We need a MAGA Army of such trial attorneys.
Who wield the sword of truth with cold fury and brutal precision with no crippling allegiances to the corrupt GOPe.
Such serious and stalwart souls as have sacred honor to pledge.
WTF? You need to win the elections, not mop up the aisle after the mess is made. You will never win a court case until you grow a pair.
Fight fire with fire using LAWFARE? Is a tough ethics dilemma … we already know the DemLibFilth have no ethics. Tough discussion/decision … two wrongs never make a right … LAWFARE needs to be outlawed.
In my experience, which is at the county level, it helps if the judge is a golfing buddy. The idea that judges recuse themselves in such situations is absurd. I always knew that my case was won when the other side brought in a high powered attorney from the city (i live in a rural county).
Legalese, you and tack. Also making irrelevant remarks I would have thought?
wtf is tack? Now, irrelevant remarks are something you are quite adept at. As memorable as a burp in a whirlwind is what your posts amount to.
Might be a typo for ‘tact’. IDK. That member’s posts seem a bit inflammatory and unnecessarily so. However, they could be channeling Howard Beale from ‘Network’. 🙂
Interesting …
Side note.
Learn to proofread.
your = you
legalize = legalise
other stuff I won’t go in to …
Doesn’t look good for a former Magistrate …
as this is a civil case ..not a criminal one. the legal standard should be “preponderance of evidence”. In my laymans opinion the Lake team hit that standard easily. now its up to the judge
Excellent comment, sadly you know what the judge will say….or you wouldn’t have written it this way.
This is nothing more than speculation, but I would not be surprised to learn that the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency’s (CISA) contractors have been counting the paper ballots at Runbeck locations throughout the United States.
thank you for your wonderful comments Sr Francis Bacon. I always look for your name in the thread. Please keep up the wonderful contributions
And that’s exactly why they have a back door so the bad guys can count and tabulate on supercomputers all round the world…inc China.
Last time people were illegally accessing the machines with USB sticks to upload the most recent tabulations so as to steal the elections, even a election worker spotted interference after the elections to hide this and had the brains to take photos of the screen before the fraud was made, then compared the photo to the new screen data and spotted the fraud immediately…and so what did you do in “the Greatest country in the world”… nothing except threaten to arrest the woman for taking the photos…you did nothing then, so now they did it again what are you going to do about it?
Nothing…..!
I disagree with Sundance. This is a civil case. Therefore all you need is a preponderance of evidence to find for the Plaintiffs. They may not have been the best litigators, but I think Lake’s team provided the evidence required for at least a re-vote in Maricopa County. We’ll see if the judge has the courage in the face of death threats. In any event, the ruling will be appealed.
The preponderance of the evidence does indeed show that the democRATS stole the election. But let’s get real. This is a democRAT judge so there is not going to be a revote. There will be weasel words. Sooner or later we’d better wake up and realize that court cases, the next election, Twitter revelations, media bombshells and discussions like this are not going to turn the tide. We know all we need to know. Knowing more is not going to change anything. Maybe it’s time for action?
Start the Pb vaccinations!
Need to SEVERELY character assassinate the judge. Find the filth in his background. Everyone has some. Everyone. Find it. Leak it. Expose it. Good place to start? Follow the money … HIS money. Find the SOROS/SCHWAB laundered payoff(s). Find the filth. Expose it.
The judge allowed only two causes of action and required Lake to prove intentional acts.
I think her lawyers proved the tabulators were adjusted on Election Day to misread the ballots.
The judge should announce Lake proved intent.
He can then make a referral to the State Attorney for an investigation and appropriate prosecution(s).
He could also order a recount by an independent agency.
There was a substantial allegation ballots in file 3 (tabulator rejected ballots) were mixed in with tabulated(machine counted ballots) and not counted.
I think Lake would win a recount.
Unless all the ballots that were the wrong size were just thrown away.
Mike Lindell was funding the lawsuit for Kari Lake.
I’m left wondering why top notch lawyers weren’t selected for such an important case.
Generally, lawyers aren’t about a case, rather a career. As we saw with bar associations and courts going after PDJT’s lawyers, in some cases getting them fired/dismissed from partnership and threatening their license to practice, the regime uses all the tools in the box to intimidate those who might otherwise be excellent fighters for justice.
I look at it this way. This is what we have to do to get to where we’re going.
It’s the path of diplomacy. It’s not the Battle of Athens. We could get to that point, sure. For now though, no. Once things go kinetic there’s no turning back. All in. So, election fraud made it to trial. Better than 2020. That’s something.
My donations to LindellLegalOffenseFund were a good investment. PDJT needs a Legal Offense Fund so I can help him too.
I don’t know much but I did once see a young attorney go up against a government agency suffering from regulatory capture and at one point they chose to chastise him in front of a television camera for daring to go up against them. (Previous relationship.) Also read somewhere recently how lawyers become compromised fresh out of school. A large corporation will hire them temporarily for a little job. For the rest of their career they will have to recuse themselves from any case because of the prior relationship. So I guess that the young attorney in my first example had violated a professional conduct standard? Not law?
No one wants BLM/Antifa on their block.
Have you been to Lindell’s web site lately? His philanthropy is as long as his legs, and he’s NOT a bottomless pit of $$$, unlike the criminal corrupt counterfeiters running this Country, The Fed, The Treasury, IRS, and the dollar.
Meh.
Too big of a job: Why Maricopa County’s ballot printers failed on Election Day
By Jen Fifield/Votebeat
9 Dec 2022
https://www.azmirror.com/2022/12/09/too-big-of-a-job-why-maricopa-countys-ballot-printers-failed-on-election-day
This is pre-trial speculation. The real reason was revealed in the trial. The printers were purposefully configured for wrong paper dimensions.
No, this is not speculation, pre trial or otherwise. You should read the whole thing. It is a comprehensive and total condemnation of the technology and decisions made, whether said or unsaid. It had NOTHING to do with the trial, but it is the blueprint for Maricopa’s miserable failure.
It reminds me of the GA State Election Board ongoing on-site monitor’s report of the Fulton County, GA 2020 election by Seven Hills Strategies, LLC. Bottom line, these machines have only one day to perform and they fell apart and failed miserably, just like in Fulton Co, GA in 2020.
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/20484973-fulton-county-state-election-board-report
The entire system is a disaster, cobbled together for no good reason and foisted upon unsuspecting voters at massive cost.
And speaking of Georgia, they had a BIG WIN this week. On standing in the 2020 elections. I mentioned it on CTH yesterday.
BREAKING: Georgia Supreme Court Reverses 2020 Election Case Dismissal for “Lack of Standing”…Sent Back to Lower Courts
By Brian Lupo
20 Dec 2022
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/12/breaking-georgia-supreme-court-reverses-2020-election-case-dismissal-lack-standing-sent-back-lower-courts
So, don’t give up hope in AZ either. The fight is just beginning.
I think that 2022 has proven a bridge too far for many. It was so glaringly obvious and in your face the cheating cannot be denied.
Most of us are still reeling from 2020.
Two years to get up, get moving, after a bad “trip”. Wouldn’t want you in my foxhole.
Yes speculation. Date of the article is Dec 9.
No, it was fully researched info regardless of the date. There was no trial even pending. But continue pretending you read it anyway.
This. The machine didn’t change themselves and worked fine during the testing phase.
No, read the article.
4 printers allegedly worked in an alleged test w/o ANY of the anticipated volume. Big whoop. There was NO COMPREHENSIVE TESTING DONE.
Absolutely best analysis of what the witnesses brought forth and what the county did intentionally to cheat was covered by Jovan Pulitzer on Rumble. He will cover the 2 days over 2 to 3 videos. Today he covered exactly the process and the thinking by which the county cheated. He also covered the 19 inch ballot printed on 20inch paper and the county official who lied about it on the stand. He did not get into the lawyers and how they presented in court. I agree that there was so many missed opportunities but if the Judge is as smart as JP then KL should at least win a new election. The way the judge listened intently at times looked angered and shook his head I think she may have a chance despite her lawyers. Her witnesses were also on game.
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Arizona is a state where 60% of the population owns guns and they expect us to believe they voted for three gun grabbers and then overwhelming for down ballot Republican candidates? LOL
Georgia is the same way. Do you really think blacks want their legal guns taken away? H311 no.
Great recap of Day 2, and overall, Did Lake prove her case? Includes Alpha Warrior, CannCon (Brian Lupon, Gateway Pundit) and more. They believe she made her case.
THE DEBRIEF – LAKE vs HOBBS ARIZONA TRIAL OVER DAY 2 – EP.106
By The AlphaWarrior Show
Published December 22, 2022
https://rumble.com/v21yj06-the-debrief-lake-vs-hobbs-arizona-trial-over-day-2-ep.106.html
Some major surprises in here.
CannCon = Brian Lupo
My apologies.
PATHETIC: Disgraced and Corrupt RNC Chairwoman Ronna Romney McDaniel Calls Kari Lake a Failed Candidate After Ronna Did Nothing in Arizona
By Cullen Linebarger
23 Dec 2022
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/12/pathetic-disgraced-corrupt-rnc-chairwoman-ronna-romney-mcdaniel-calls-kari-lake-failed-candidate-nothing-arizona
Apparently it was Dhillon’s law firm partners who lost the Abe Hamedeh case. Another reason she shoudn’t get anywhere near the RNC Chair job.
Yeah, once I saw Gary was a Federalist Society member, bzzzt, establishment and Turtle alarm bells started going off.
However, Harmeet had a lot of patriots fooled. She’s establishment scum.
it seems nothing is as it seems
The last lawyer to speak for Maricopa County threw down the retaliation gauntlet and stated that they will be returning to court to sanction Lakes lawyers. This is the tactic they use to scare off the higher quality election lawyers Sundance spoke of.
Collecting ballots – do not waste time electioneering is the new game and way to win. Proof is, that Trump won just about all of the bellwether states and counties that have always predicted the winner and he still lost not because the majority did not vote for him, but because the Democrats collected more ballots not to mention illegally changed the elections laws at the state level. Hopefully, SCOTUS will help us in the North Carolina case to re-establish that the State Legislatures set the time and manner of elections – not Governors, Secretaries of State or Judges.
ACTUALLY I believe it is more of a preparation time issue. If your teacher says you have 2 days to put on a legal play, how well would anyone do? The compressed time of how quickly these cases must go to court is the problem and everyone knows it. Our system was never set up for the ongoing massive fraud being encountered all across the country.
Even the Electoral Count is a problem with this.
PLUS the fact that many legislatures are not in session and they require lawful Governors to call them back into session.
That is why they get away with this. This is all built into The Big Steal.
Kyle Rittenhouse’s lawyer’s were barely up to the task.
It was the quality of the judge that mattered in the end.
I hope this one is a good one.
…and if not, there is a great case to appeal…
Yep, you hit upon the gift of the trial. The avenues of appeal 🙂
Nows about the time those long ago forgotten about polaroids get presented to the Judge in a very unsettling manner.
Or the late night visitor with the bag of money…
You can complain all you want about the quality of Lake’s attorneys, but the judge is trying this case, not a jury, and Lake’s lawyers did a competent job for a judge trial. Jurors can be swayed by an attorney’s looks, mannerisms and style of presentation, but judges normally aren’t persuaded by lawyers’ “storytelling”. The relevant facts were presented and the necessary arguments were made in the briefs and motions. Unfortunately, the judge made some adverse rulings that severely limited Lake’s case. That doesn’t bode well.
“Unfortunately, the judge made some adverse rulings that severely limited Lake’s case. That doesn’t bode well.”
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All the more reason for Lake’s lawyers to have presented dramatically compelling evidence of intentional fraud, instead of dry, mechanical, and necessary arguments.
The former leaves the judge with a deep, intellectual impression of the merits of Lake’s case that’s not easily forgotten. The latter leaves the judge excessive latitude to dismiss the case and get home for cocktails.
Fodder for appeal? IDK. I figured it would go to appeal no matter which way the judge decides. I couldn’t see lawfare folding their tent if things went against them.
has gop ever won an election appeal that changed anything?
I’m still angry about that election day judge, Timothy Ryan, that refused to extend hours. State law allows for employees to get 3 hours to go vote. It’s often not enough these days. Employers try to bully employees out of using the time. If you are the primary caregiver of the children of your family please note that the after school programs and daycare contracts specifically state that if you don’t pickup your children timely they will call CPS to come get your kids. In an economy where both partners must work FT there often isn’t any extended family able to fill in for a couple hours so you can vote. Our tired hungry kids need our help to do their homework and eat, not accompany us to waiting in long lines to vote.
Disenfranchised from voting? You betchyersweet bippie!
Mostly judges are the ones on the ballot that requires a lot of research for me to know how to vote so I just vote them all out on principle unless they have stood out to me one way or the other – term limits, right? But these judges names and actions will stand out, one way or another and we will remember.
Jarret swore both days there were no 19″ ballot images loaded.
It’s my understanding then, that shrink to fit or fit to page would have correctly printed a 20″ image on a 20″ piece of paper.
I am not sure Kari’s lawyer made that clear and am gonna guess the judge has no idea
Not sure it’s in his purview, but the judge should allow Kari’s tech dude from Alabama suss out how those 19″ images were printed.
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That part didn’t make sense to me since it should not have mattered. To the best of my recollection he was suggesting someone might have accidentally done these things.
That’s why I want the tech guy to figure out what happened. I could be wrong, but it was not adequately explained, as in they didn’t really know what happened.
As an aside, during Jarrett’s testimony Day 2, at the end he casually mentioned THEY HAD THE SAME PROBLEM in 2020 and the primary at some locations.
BTW, Maricopa has the craziest, error prone process I have ever heard of.
They eliminated all the neighborhood voting precincts and created 231 voting “centers”. You can vote anywhere in the county. When you check in the poll book sends the ballot version for your address to a printer.
Between consolidating the counting and now the voting……….
BOOM! SUNDANCE NAILS IT!
“…one of the larger weaknesses carried by all MAGA candidates (in a general sense) is the low quality of their lawyers.”
This is seen over and over again virtually every time our side goes to court. The lawyers aren’t able to present to the jury a captivating, fact by fact, iron clad sequence of events and hence….they fail miserably to spotlight the high points of their argument and instead of convincing the jury they confuse the jury.
Been saying that for years, the Obama years. He —his handlers—pulled out the ruthless, unethical and cunning lawyers from Everywhere to carry the break America agenda. They were bold, bullied people, outmaneuvered the opposition and dragged America into the cesspool of Obama/Chicago dirty politics. And they won. A lot. Still winning to this day and will continue to because so far, nobody has been able to or wanted to enough to stop them. They are high level legal predators on the left. We have the much less capable species of lawyer who are run of the mill legal minds going against an apex predator.
There has never been a doubt our side has weak legal defenders.
As I posited in another post chain, lawyers are about a career, not a case. If fighting for a case risks tanking their career, and that’s a very real risk with Communists dominating the legal system today, they pick the JetA in their plane over righteousness.
The Communist sharks aren’t so encumbered. They have the system behind them. It’s taken decades to get to this point. Absent kinetic action, it’ll take decades to remove the scales from Lady Justice’s rectum and restore a modicum of balance to things.
This dude Maricopa County Elections Director Scott Jarrett committed perjury.
Day one, no 19 inch ballots, no way, no how.
Day two, yes 19 inch ballots, and “root cause” investigation as to why pending.
If nothing else, the Judge should call him out for lying.
He won’t. The Judge is in on it. Betcha.
And you’re absolutely right. Jarrett committed perjury. He knew he was lying when he testified the first day.
Now this is the same guy who did this back in 2020 …
Looks like he ALMOST grew a conscience.
But they must have convinced him to get on board with the steal … or else.
soap box, postal box, ballot box, jury box.
Seems like I forgot something.
Cereal box? With a prize inside?
Hammadeh lost his case. Kari faces a very steep uphill battle. Once the election is certified, no judge will do anything to overturn it. Especially if won by a Dem. End of story.
They would not let her file until it was certified. There is no foul until then.
Yesterday, 78 years ago, the Nazis were so confident they had Bastogne surrounded that they sent in two people with white flags to solicit a surrender from the Allied forces there. General McAuliffe answered ‘Nuts’. If you are a student of history you know what happened after.
It’s not over until it’s over. Two cases have gone to trial, a vast improvement over 2020. Patriots are still taking the high road. There are plenty of other roads open to us.
However, if accepting defeat makes for a more pleasant and peaceful holiday season, don’t do what Anthony did, rather turn yourself over to the enemy. I’m sure they’ll take good care of you 🙂
After all I’ve seen, I now put elections in the same category as I do magic shows.
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Just wondering about a what if…
If the judge were to rule in Kari’s favor on the basis of the improperly imaged (19″) ballots – would a redo of the election in Maricopa County imply ALL candidates on the original ballot need to be included on the redo ballot? In reality, the entire image on the “19 inch” ballot was unreadable by the tabulators.
Or would the judge order a redo ONLY of the governor’s race, because Kari Lake and Hobbs were the parties in this lawsuit?
If all candidates were included on a redo election ballot, that would likely have consequences for Hamadeh and perhaps other candidates.
Complicated questions to throw into the campfire pot…
Another question. If a redo in Maricopa County were ordered, wouldn’t it need to include early and mail-in voting, in order to avoid voters being “disenfranchised”?
A nagging thought – even if the judge were quietly thinking a correction of the situation is warranted, is he also wondering a redo might be too complicated to make it feasible, thus pushing him into denial mode?
On the other hand, the presentation of evidence was very compelling.
This area of discussion completely sets aside whether he is corrupt or not, and needless to say recent history shows corruption is unfortunately, entirely possible. Am praying that is not the case this time around.
At this point there is no reason to expect a judge will stick his neck out. Hope for the best but expect the worst.
Ronna McDaniel does not deserve a “sit on the fence position” by P Trump regarding the GOP election.
by far his biggest weakness – why why why all the unforced errors
It could be the power for money thing. Trump does not love the country more than money as evidenced by the NFT debacle.
In war the first casualty is the truth. We simply haven’t moved to a kinetic war yet; it’s in the information war phase right now. I am hoping people will join us in economic war. That takes numbers. It’s a process to get to kinetic.
The proven intentional complete disregard for any proper chain of custody for ballots as specified in Arizona law makes every ballot in Maricopa County invalid.
If that is not enough to require a new election, then the time for voting is over.
I hope this is your attempt at sarcasm, because:
IF this truly surprises you – you’re either new here, or haven’t been paying attention.
Or you’re just a troll – trying to make it look like Big Tech is giving the ‘straight scoop’, because they can’t *possibly* be complicit with the big steal…
Anybody that’s been paying attention would have been surprised to find anything BUT what you found.
The one attorney was awful for that I listened to the other day. I saw a ruling out there for Hammadeh but does that include Lake? I am really confused out this?
I thought closing arguments were pretty good. The defense had zero facts.
sure appears to me the county is working to completely discourage same-day voting, and for good reasons if you’re a democrat or uniparty member. Remember it was same-day voting that blew the election for the cheating democrats in 2016. They never imagined that such a large same-day turnout could break for Trump. They knew then and know now that must be “controlled” and never allowed to happen again.
If you can make same-day voting a huge mess, maybe you force all these same-dayers to early voting or mail-in voting which can be screened and controlled much better by the uniparty. No more surprises because the same-day vote is now the early vote and you can determine weeks in advance how many ballots you need to manufacture to win.
If the american people continue to tolerate this open and increasing election fraud and the so-called conservative media continues to ignore it, we 100% deserve what we get as a nation. The rest of the world is laughing at us and we deserve to lose our assets and our freedoms.
He speaks in forked tounge.
After watching Day 1 of the trial it dawned on me that there was a plausible explanation for what took place on election day regarding the printer/tabulator issue and so I wrote both of Lake’s lawyers an email in the hopes that it might help going into Day 2. What follows is that letter.
To Bryan Blehm: Dear Sir,
I watched with great interest your questioning of Scott Jarrett this afternoon and it occurred to me that there was a way for the logic and accuracy testing conducted the day before the to be 100% accurate and yet fail on election day.
It’s clear from the evidence presented and his testimony that Maricopa County used a 19″ ballot image format for the earlier primary election, but had to adjust the ballot size to 20″ for the general election. Because Maricopa County uses a Ballot on Demand system this necessitates that each printer is loaded with ballot images for each and every district within Maricopa County. Meaning that each printer has multiple ballot images available for printing depending on the district of any individual voter trying to vote.
It is entirely possible that some of those ballot images were created using the old 19″ format and some of them were made using the new 20″ form. It would be almost impossible for the person creating those images to know the difference by simply looking at the screen. If the legacy default settings on the software were still set to produce 19″ ballots the chances of this mistake being caught anywhere along the line is almost nil.
Now I know the judge has ruled that the printers are NOT part of the election systems, but if what I suspect happened then the fault lies not with the tabulators, but with the ballot images loaded onto those printers. You NEED to secure those printers and have the ballot images examined to determine if there were different versions of ballot images installed on those machines.
Respectfully
Then why did the fit-to-page ballots go through with no problem the day before election day.?
The change to the new setting (fit-to-page) had to have occurred sometime during the night before or early in the morning of election day . . . . at several locations. Can’t be an oversight or accident.
That’s a good question. Is it possible that the ONLY ballots images they used for testing were already correctly sized for 20″ ballot paper and didn’t require the alteration of the printer settings? If I understand the cause of the problem correctly there were 19″ ballot “images” loaded on the machines as well as 20″ ballot images. The 19’s would HAVE to be resized “Fit to Page” while the 20″s would not. As each voter is logged in and presents their ID they are printed a ballot specifically for their district or precinct. This means there are at least 26 variations of ballots loaded on the machines. Only one or two of them have to be of the wrong size to cause the confusion we saw at the polls that day.
Then why did the fit-to-page ballots go through with no problem the day before election day.?
They changed settings on election day
Boom – problems
Gateway Pundit reports that printer/reader settings were reset ON ELECTION DAY
was there discussion of WHY the printer settings were changed ?
seems like a big deal
BREAKING: Arizona County Elections Director Scott Jarrett Admits in Court that Printer Settings Were Switched on Election Day – IT WAS ON PURPOSE!
I’ll admit there’s more than one assumption involved my theory. Namely that the ballot images were constructed for each of the precincts and loaded into the BOD printers. That in the course of their creation some images were by default set to the previous size of 19″ while others were made using the new and proper 20″ form. The 19″ images even when “Fit to Page” after the settings were changed my not have fallen within the tabulators registration parameters. Using that same “Fit to Page” may have even offset the correct 20″ images to fail on occasion knowing how sensitive the tabulators can be in this regard.
I never said the 19″ ballot images worked the day before the election. I said it’s possible they only tested 20″ ballot images and they supposedly all went through just fine. It’s also possible they chose a single ballot image and printed off a hundred of them for testing assuming that ALL the other ballot images would do the same.
The one way to prove my theory is to look at either the ballot images themselves or at the misprinted ballots to see if there’s a correlation between the misprinted ballots and the precincts they were designed for.
One of the hardest problems for any computer tech or mechanic to diagnose and then fix is one that is intermittent or seems to follow no logical pattern. Two different sized ballot images on one machine would cause just such a problem and there’s almost no way a printer tech in a hurry would have been able to trace down the error. He or she is going to start with the basic because that’s what you’re trained to do. Change the toner, check the settings and make adjustments if needed.
I’ll bet dollars to doughnuts that when they finish their root cause analysis in six months and write their report they’ll find it was a simple error on the part of some low level worker using the legacy settings from the Primary election on their computer that cause this.
The primaries showed that voting day, voters,
could overload the machine algorithms (and offset early voter numbers)
that were designed for candidate $election, not election.
It became common knowledge – even amongst the nefarious.
So N8 arrives, and we find (the motivation)
that some head scratching went on about finding ways to curtail, suppress the high numbers of voting day, voter turn out.
A host of ways were pre-planned and implemented to circumvent the will of the legal voters ( 1 legal person, 1 legal choice to vote by only that legal voter. )
[ followed by the usual rush to certification (and court proceedings are typically sssslow, and sometimes thorough, but other times, stuck (or coerced) to be on a narrative to accept whatever the (flawed) $election said… ,
and ignoring the growing, planned problems within the
$ election system so as to not accurately reflect the actual will of we the people. ]
People have a legal right to have their legal votes, accurately, equally, counted as the person intended,
and to become 1 equal part of the whole tabulation of results.
I watched the entirety of Day 2 of this trial and at the end tried to put myself in the judges place to see if I could reconcile some of the issues at hand here, all the while asking myself “how would I rule?”. It was a fruitless endeavor for me because of my sheer ignorance and so this morning at 0′ dark thirty I wrote the following to my small group of fellow travelers in our election integrity group.
“As an observer there are questions I have that weren’t fully answered during the trial. At one point Heather Honey was asked if she might have missed the Chain of Custody documents in all the paperwork the defendants sent Lake’s team pre-trial. Her answer was a resounding “No”, but where was the follow up question to that, namely are the defendants in possession of those same election day chain of custody documents? I mean it’s one thing to avoid handing them over to Lake’s team it’s quite another if the defendants don’t have them to hand over.
If I were the judge I’d want to see those documents for myself before I make a ruling because they’re foundational to my decision making process. If they don’t exist or they can’t deliver them ASAP, I’d declare the election null and void based on the fact that they can’t account for nearly 300,000 ballots.
The second question I would have is exactly how pervasive are those 19″ ballot images? Now granted they found half of the sample ballots chosen at random from 6 districts to contain these misprints, but that’s a damn small sample size to rule in favor of a new election. I could argue that given the small sample size the number of misprinted ballots must be YUGE! And on the other I can say it not a statistically large enough sample size to be relevant. Recognizing this was a court ordered inspection with very specific parameters it’s hard to overlook the fact that they didn’t find any misprints or just one or two, but OVER half of them in randomly selected lots from randomly selected districts. This percentage weighs heavy on my mind and IF it were to hold true over a wider range this certainly meets the obligation of throwing the election results into question.
Even then does the presence of those mis-sized ballots indicate misconduct or merely a screw-up. Remember part of this depends on showing deliberate misconduct on the part of the County. Does this evidence fall into that category or is it merely incompetence?
It seems to me the Lake team has clearly shown that enough evidence exists to call into question the validity of the election results, but with the courts legal obligation to favor the defendants is it enough to overturn the results?
Personally I think the deciding factor is going to be existing precedence in Arizona State law. Does the evidence meet the standards of those previous court cases and will those rulings apply in this instance? I have yet to see a decent legal mind take on these questions and provide some insight into a likely ruling, so I’m left twisting in the wind with only my own ignorance for company.”
I agree with Sundance, Lake’s lawyers were a pathetic crew. Too often the judge had to ask for questions to be rephrased and too often did they fail to make a cohesive argument. The defendant’s closing arguments were textbook perfect, calling into question every witness, every piece of evidence and every argument the plaintiff put forward….a masterful display.
If what you are saying is true, then “justice” is and always has been determined by the money which buys talent. I am not that cynical – God causes upsets in every industry. We certainly do have a whole lot of corrupted individuals – that’s how we keep getting cases thrown out of court for no reason, and I certainly believe money directly buys decisions in many cases.
But if lawyers can be right, and good on paper, but lose because they don’t tell their story well enough, then it’s not corrupt people, it’s the system itself that’s corrupt and has been since the beginning of the judicial system. THAT I don’t believe.
Many cases throughout American history have been won by someone other than the most expensive lawyers.
Ecclesiastes 9:11 “Again I saw that under the sun the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, nor bread to the wise, nor riches to the intelligent, nor favor to those with knowledge, but time and chance happen to them all.”
The establishments of BOTH parties want Lake to lose and Hobbs installed. The political parties control all the judges. So we know how this decision will go regardless of the mountain of evidence that a high percentage of Maricopa County voters were suppressed. They will say that the “errors” were not proven to be intentional (even though that does not matter) and that there is no way to quantify if any voters who wanted to vote were not able to. It’s a farce.
19 inch ballots were fed through tabulators and rejected. This forces election workers to have to duplicate the voter’s selections onto new ballots.
Voter selections were then duplicated onto 20 inch ballots. While duplicating the new ballots, voter selections were changed.
Per Arizona statute, the original ballot and duplicate ballot are supposed to be physically connected to one another, so that you can make sure that they match.
However, Maricopa County deliberately did not follow the proper process. The original and duplicate cannot be traced to one another, and the changed votes can no longer be identified.
good explanation, Mass
Here’s the thing…
If judges don’t start taking election fraud seriously then why shouldn’t everyone just cheat to win?
I seem to remember judges ordering a new election in the past with half the evidence Kari Lake’s team submitted.
I pray this judge does the right thing.
“If judges don’t start taking election fraud seriously then” …
These judges are proving the laws are meaningless.
If the law means nothing then judges aren’t needed.
These judges have not considered the ultimate consequence of their deeds.
I know this will sound Pollyannish, but Judge Peter Thompson most certainly noticed as did the public in real time. Having this trial televised puts us, the voters, in the Jury box with Judge Thompson. I believe Judge Thompson to be a man of integrity. He’s soft-spoken, pro-actively advising both sides as well as admonishing them for talking over one another or too fast for his Court Reporter indicating he’s very present in the moment, protective like a father, and pays close attention to human interaction and behavior. Given that I’m sure he was sensitive to the smug, arrogant, dismissive attitudes of the Defense team and how that will be perceived by the public. I believe the perjury of one official casts serious doubt on the entire defense. Now we know why Mr. Jarrett seemed so tense & frightened on the stand, his entire demeanor gave it away.
We’ll soon know how he decides, but I’m praying the life & legacy of Sir Thomas More guides, strengthens and gives Judge Peter Thompson that spirit of personal integrity that won’t back down from truth.
When all of the laws are flat, who will protect you when Satan turns his forces upon you? Paraphrasing Sir Thomas More.
The “Elections are rigged” is a joke. Live your life and be happy. Talk is cheap and stupid.
Voting on election day was the right thing to do. The goal was to catch them red handed in the cheat.
Lawyers on our side have been deficient since W.