The old axiom where someone yells, “look over there folks, shiny things“… as a process of distraction, is entirely apropos of how corporations that are running our current election systems are using the Trump -v- DeSantis discussion; with the backdrop of the 2022 midterm election as context.
So, before moving forward to the heart of what we are being distracted from, check out this article from David Solway, he’s correct. Unless and until the critical issue of “votes” -vs- “ballots” is corrected, pushing DeSantis into the war against the administrative state is akin to throwing a decent general into a lost war.
[…] “In a rigged electoral system, no Republican candidate, not even DeSantis, can be expected to win a national election. DeSantis cruised to victory in Florida because, as governor of the state, he had the means and the authority to ensure a clean election. But he would be helpless against a massive crime organization, aka the Democrat Party, which effectively controls the electoral infrastructure, the physical apparatus, the paid loyalty of election workers, and the federal agencies that oversee the process. If the system is not repaired and made answerable to the people, there will never be a Republican president again.” (READ MORE)
The presumption within the article is that DeSantis is not a participating member of the corporate control system, which, despite the eloquence of the article word assembly, I am not quite willing to accept; especially, with our long history of research into how the administrative state operates proactively to control the levers of power.
However, that said…. let us assume that Deep State operatives from the U.S. State Dept and coordinated globalist operations, in combination with multinational corporations and Wall Street financing, are just accidental to the political orbit of the Florida Governor… and if the assumption of altruistic intent is the guiding naiveté I am requested to accept, then the framework of the author’s prediction is entirely accurate.
Either way, until we address the 800lb gorilla in the room of intentional mass distribution of state and federal election ballots, to low agency or non-existent recipients, for early gathering, trying to amass enough ‘votes’ to defeat a large scale and industrial ‘ballot’ gathering operation is futile.
“The main issue is ballot harvesting [legal gathering] and no-excuse universal mail in ballots. Republicans need to spend big cultivating harvesting operations in key districts across the country where it’s legal until they have enough power to outlaw it, along with no-excuse mail ins.”
[…] Remember, a ballot isn’t the same as a vote and the Democrats GOTV machine know this much better than Republicans seem to. Not saying it’s right, but it’s reality and we can’t live in fantasy land. [Tweet Thread]
We are being held hostage. Either we throw Trump under the bus or we keep getting screwed in every election.
“It’s a nice little country you got there, it would be a shame if something happened to it”.
Don’t believe in a no win scenario. There’s a few options left.
Yep, stay strong and force them to go hot. A Florida kiddie porn bust every week would put a dent in the fan belt inspectors. Get creative. The Communists who are destroying the Republic certainly are.
Exposure of all the corruption. Why isn’t there a firm we all supply to bring out the truth? A dectective firm we all help fund. That’s just one way.
LIke the FBI, only different?
We need to focus on electing MAGA sherriffs in every county in America. Ones who truly know the enemy. In big Democrat control counties have sleepers who pretend to be some super “progressive” until elected. Then rain hell on these apex criminals. Sherriffs hold an awful lot of power in their counties
MAGA sherrifs, yes, but have to take in to consideration Soros already has many AGs bought
Is soros still alive?….If he is….
the ? is ..why?
In 1960 the dead of Chicago elected JFK … the GOP & RNC knew … AND. DID. NOTHING.
Now the RAT cheat has been in place for over 60 years and refined to an art form – as exampled by “LEGAL” Ballot Harvesting and “LEGAL” Ballot Drop Boxes.
Evil McConnell actually uses the RAT cheat to defeat Conservatives … he will not allow anyone or anything to interfere with the RINO/bushCARTEL/ChamberOfCommerce/Chinese/One World Order Assignment from Soros & Schwab … as evidenced by the 2020 and 2022 stolen elections.
So … how do we fix that?
Nixon knew too and said for the good of the country, he wasn’t going to press it.
The loss of our cities to EASY, so EASY voting corruption spread all over and unions too are allowed to cheat.
It certainly did not turn out to be for the good of the country.
Appeasing evil never works.
That’s been the problem–the media will not expose. Have you forgotten Spygate, the Biden laptop.
Tony Bobulinski is one of the most believable witnesses, one of the most articulate witnesses to corruption I’ve ever heard, but my 3 Dem friends watch either nbc, cbs, or abc—crickets.
Col. John Boyd would be proud of your thinking. Maneuver Warfare.
Trump … MAGA….. 🦁👑💕
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“A Florida kiddie porn bust every week would put a dent in the fan belt inspectors.”
It’s not quite every week but about monthly in Polk county, many are workers at the Orlando Rat headquarters.
The sheriff there is a good no nonsense guy, with the funniest pressers ever.
They asked one time why his deputies shot someone X amount of times he replied that’s how many rounds they had.
A new political party is all I see.
Headed by Trump the Candidate, it would be confusing as hell for all his opponents as well as the fraudulent voting system, the corrupt media, and the Mega-$$$ donors. That party would attract voters from both the Dems and Repubs. It would be so refreshing.
Win or lose the election is unimportant, the idea is to weaken the system from the inside by managing to elect a sufficient number of candidates, of which Trump of course, and the coalition becomes the Kingmaker.
Nope. If PDJT were to announce he was leaving the R party, I am there,…but he won’t, and I understand why.
PDJT was involved with Perot party, and he watched what they did to it.
And that experience made clear to him that a “3rd party” actually a SECOND party to contest the Uniparty, is doomed to failure; after Perot they shored up that vulnerability, like fixing a hole in a castle wall.
So, PDJT has taken the road of insurgency; fighting the R GOPe for control of the party.
I urge all to listen again to Candidate DJT’s October 16 (I THINK it was) speech, and his Inaugeration speech.
He knows a small cabal of political elites IN BOTH PARTIES are running the Country off a cliff.
And he knows taking on the GOPe in control of the Uniparty is the only viable route.
The Perot explanation doesn’t quite fit. I’m not as politically smart as Dutchman but this is not 1992, that was an age of innocence compared to 2022.
Perot was BO, Before Obama. The “fundamental transformation” of the U.S. began the moment he took office and everything was on a roll towards a total takeover of our political system since then. The COVID lockdowns which led to dropboxes and mass mail in voting was equal to a nuclear explosion hitting our country. In other words, they didn’t move pieces around,they blew up the chess board.
The third world 2020 and now 2022 election steals, coordinated by what is now One Party, means Pres Trump declaring he will be the leader of a MAGA Party has no real downside because the Uniparty will steal it no matter what.
As the economic situation becomes worse and worse over the next 2 years, a MAGA Party would increase in numbers. I mean, what have we got to lose. Another steal?
I agree that this needs to be done. I’m
Hoping this is his announcement
the uniparty wouldn’t allow even one candidate to win
Until courts start hearing cases concerning voter fraud…verifiable, extensive, meticulous evidence having been collected since the 2020 overthrow of a legitimately elected President…we have no chance of another honest election.
So far ever attempt has been rebuffed.
And that was the message delivered to every entity which perpetrated the fraud. Even and especially the Supreme Court said no. No to a case which affected us all in the most terrible way possible.
If they wouldn’t adjudicate that, then they might as well have screamed, as I said in another post, “Let it burn!”
Message delivered, message understood..thus what we have just experienced. The slow but mortal wounding of a Republic we thought was secure. But is not.
You are spot on.
Actually, I understand and even agree with the SCOTUS decision, not to hear the case brought by Paxton.
If Texas can contest how California conducts its election, doesn’t that go both ways?
I don’t want California dictating that Az must adopt “rank choice voting” ,…do you?
Its like idiots that see the mess in Az, being intentionally played out for the nation, and just like the Bush v Gore manufactured fiasco, say “This is unacceptable! The Federal Govt must take over elections to stop this!”
Which is just what they want, a “groundswell” of public opinion, demanding that Feds take elections away from State legislatures.
I know many had emotional investment in that SCOTUS court case, as “our last hope” but frankly it was flawed, un-constitutional.
State legislatures dictate the selection of electors to the electoral college.
At one time, some States had the Legislature simply appoint electors, and no other State had any authority to question their choice.
Don’t like it, amend the Consitution, so Cal and Alaska can force all States to go to rank choice.
so you are FOR states being able to UNCONSTITUTIONALLY change their voting setup which is what the suit brought by the state of Texas et al was about?………by changing its election laws by the SoS, Gov, and Supreme Court the state of PA had CHANGED the way its citizens’ votes counted into the national pool of politics…..as the court of LAST resort……as the court of the ONLY resort in state versus state disputes according to the US CONSTITUTION they had nowhere BUT SCOTUS for redress….for such a measured thinker that comment was done WITHOUT thought
Here I disagree, Dutchman.
Each state has electoral votes which affect who will be President of all the states
If there is fraud experienced in any state within their election system, this affects the electoral votes awarded to one candidate or another.
And so yes…I believe the Supreme Court should have heard that case.
If through cheating and fraud, electoral votes to one candidates are stolen, I absolutely see that as a case which the Supreme Court must hear.
Not to hear such a case in a PRESIDENTIAL election simply sanctions the fraud and corruption which goes on.
Shorter version…corrruption in a Presidential election in ANY state affects us all.
My opinion only.
And by the way…
Justices Thomas and Alito indicated they wanted to hear the case.
They were outvoted.
I agree. They should have heard the case because voter fraud
in any state affects the nation as a whole.
Instead, they throw us crumbs in the form of other so called
conservative issues so we will think they are doing their job.
I understand your point of view, but he wasn’t contesting their choice of rules or expecting the Supreme Court to rule on those rules. Rather he was suing to have them run their elections in a legal manner, i.e. follow their own laws accurately as currently written.
A state can make its own laws regarding how they intend to run their election, but they can not submit unlawfully chosen electors by their own standards. Even the states rights to set their own rules so still have limits as established and adjudicated by the Supreme Court, e.g. a state couldn’t pass a law disallowing voters to vote early based upon race.
No. Trump or not won’t matter in 24 if we keep playing a rigged game. Dems don’t care who runs for the GOP ticket…..the cheat will be the same.
To me the only answer is for 45 to hold off any announcenent of any kind — even mean tweets–until after the GA election (increasingly irrelevant).
Then after the first of the year announce he is not pursuing the Repub nomination but rather is forming a new political party.
There is precedent. After sending 3 presidents to DC in the mid 1800s the Whigs sellf destructed and 8 years later the NEW Republican Party won the presidency).
With the latest betrayal by the Globalist Establishment Republicans, a number of capable politicians might well join him…Mastriano, Tshbaka, Bolduc, Masters, Kent, Corey Stewart (VA), Palin, many others who weren’t acceptable to McConnell and Ryan (behind the scenes but still in the game).
There might even be a few pols in office who have had enough of betrayal too. Mike Lee? MTG? Gohmert? All those marginalized by the Bush-Cheney crowd. Hawley?
Enough of this changing the party from the inside. The Tea Party did that in 2010, 2014 and the old guard got rid of the Tea Party. Same with MAGA in 2016. They are not RINOs, they are DIDs (Democrats in dishuise). Make it official. A divorce. Tea Party, Conservatives and MAGA let the old guard have the McParty.
I personally think Trump would take most of the Republican base with him.
So what if the GOP loses 2024? What have they won (except for Trump) since 1986 when Reagan won? Did we really win anything with the Bush-Cheneys?
Trump has a PAC. He has a jet. Perot got nearly 20% of the vote in 1992 with a lot less than that!
Do NOT sacrifice DeSantis OR Trump to the false god of a two party system that has not existed for decades.
“I personally think Trump would take most of the Republican base with him.”
not what the media would have us believe. And those appearing to now give up on Trump may be the next hidden layer of “bought” RINOs or Turned RINOs.
We have to define clearly what MAGA is, state what that looks like in votes, and keep the sunlight on all candidates as to where they stand. Some, due to their district, can’t be too open.
That’s why most important is to define MAGA, bypass the enemedia and educate the general population to both how MAGA is in their best interest. Just as importantly, continue the processes PDJT started to opening up the eyes of the general public as to how we are being robbed blind and sold out as a nation by large corporations.
We need to start putting heat and sunlight on the corporations who are raping and pillaging the U.S. Treasury, tax base, land, and rights of the U.S. citizens.
Since when is “what the media would have us believe” ever been even faintly accurate?
That said, yes, the third party route would be insanely difficult. Anybody who thinks it would be easy is very mistaken.
The only question at this point is – would it be more impossible than the long slow hostile takeover of the UniParty R wing?
I’ll leave that question to PDJT, again, and watch what he does, as well as valuing sundance’s opinion.
By the way, I am planning a new reference system. I’m going to start calling it the McUniParty, and referring to every known swampcritter in it with (U) in parentheses after their names. The ones who are pushing to keep negotiating with the 3 Mcs will get (McU).
I listened to a seemingly-excellent new Congressman called Wesley Hunt (McU) speak on the War Room from a day or so ago. He sounded terrific except that he imagines we can move forward with Keven McCarthy (McU).
Therefore, he and his pal John James (McU) will get that designation from me until somebody wises up.
how hard is it to define? MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN……those who support the statement are adherents….those who are against such actions are commonly called Globalists, traitors, or America Last candidates….all pretty descriptive
For this to work he needs but in from like minded current sensors and representatives. This would need to be announced together with all on the same page. If it’s just Trump it will be seen as about him and not about the people, the massive crowds in every state which it would represent. It week then fizzle and die.
Just my opinion.
So ready for the America First Party
I think that the 1912 election was very similar in many respects to today, when Teddy Roosevelt, ran as the “Progressive” (aka Bull Moose) party candidate. In the fight over nationalism, income tax, and banking regulations facilitating the creation of the federal reserve, … Of course the Democratics rigged, er.. “won” that one, and here we are today … deja vu all over again ..
I will never throw Trump under the bus. NEVER. He sacrificed his wealth, his privilege, his sanity, and the safety of himself and his family for this country. He didn’t have to. I’ll never ever throw him under the bus.
#MAGAuntildeathusdopart
Agree.
Trump is the best thing to ever happen to this country.
However, there are those on this site who are not thankful for the gift we’ve been given.
Instead, they want to pick, pick, pick at what they don’t like about him.
This is the way marriages turn into divorce.
People start picking at each other; lose the beautiful relationship they once had and then grieve when it all falls apart.
Once you’ve destroyed something good you’ll never get it back. Never in the beautiful form it once was.
I would place him second only to George Washington who helped fund, man, and then led the newly formed American military into war against England for emancipation. George Washington gave his fortune, influence, person, and bravery for the cause. May both he and Trump be lauded forever.
Well said
rolcons are not just those drive bys, that come in, post comments for awhile, are outed and ridiculed and leave.
There are narrative manipulators that hang around long term, continueing to sew bullshit.
Dutchman.. please explain. Are you insulting me?
it does get tedious
Me either. I’m with him till the bitter end
Joe, elections have been stolen for decades now. i.e. 1960, Kennedy/Nixon and others. It’s just become more intense with the advent of Donald Trump. For my money he’s the last one I would be willing to throw under the bus. What has happened as a result of Trump’s rise is that the idea of a “uniparty” has become painfully obvious to most of us in this circle.
Consider how much more we know now than we did in 2015. It won’t be easy but in 2015 we did not really know that the RNC was as much the enemy as the DNC. Now we know and we are gradually reassessing our strategy.
Solving the ballot v votes problem will not occur without a strong MAGA movement. Right now we’re too new to survive long headless. Someday, but not now.
PDJT is the key to keeping the MAGA movement alive. Without a strong, energized MAGA base, who is going to tackle the ballots issue?
DeSantis is being funded by donors and supported by top Rinos to dismantle MAGA. Sundance laid this out in reporting the Ken Griffin interview where Griffin said the espected return on his DeSantis investment is for DeSantis to get rid of MAGA.
If we’re going to turn around the ballots v votes problem we need to survive and thrive as a movement. We need PDJT at the helm to hold together the movement as one cohesive, energized force.
We need Trump’s insider knowledge of the two headed beast which he has used as leverage in business deals for years.
Every successful movement needs a strong leader at the top & that includes this one.
Some knew already. I learned it here from sundance during 2016 and the days of the 16 splitters.
And as we always say – once you see it, it can’t be unseen.
The losses in 2020 AND the red ripple in 2022 have everything to do with much larger percentage of votes by mail from low information voters.
The semi-effective filter against that used to be due to the trouble involved in getting ones ass off the sofa, travelling to the poll, and waiting in line to vote.
No more. Now even the laziest moron can easily vote by mail.
That’s the hazard of true representative democracy, one man, one vote, in a majority idiocracy.
Republicans are screwed even without fraud.
October 31, 2022 – Far more Democrats have voted by mail than Republicans; for in-person early voting, which is not available in every state, more Republicans have cast ballots than Democrats.
September 30, 2020 – According to polls, Democrats are three to four times more likely to vote by mail than Republicans.
Democrats confirm they want mail-in voting to tip the election
AUGUST 17, 2020
Democrats Introduce Bill To Expand Early And By-Mail Voting
Mar 19, 2020
Why The Democrats Want Universal Mail-In Ballots
August 14, 2020
Democrats want to make vote-by-mail permanent
30 Jan 2021
Democrats Want to Expand Mail-in Voting, Allow 16-Year-Olds and Felons to Vote
January 18, 2022
California Makes Voting by Mail Permanent, A Problem for GOP
Sep 28, 2021
How GOP-backed voting measures could create hurdles for tens of millions of voters – March 11, 2021
The measures are likely to disproportionately affect those in cities and Black voters in particular, who overwhelmingly vote Democratic — laying bare, critics say, the GOP’s true intent: gaining electoral advantage.
The GOP fight against voting by mail
April 21, 2020
AZ was different this time.
MAGA voters brought their mail-in ballots to the polls on the day before and game day and turned them in themselves.
They perfected the chain of custody – it never left their hands and was therefore equivalent to getting and filing out a ballot on the spot. However it threw off the numbers that were expected by the corruptocrats – not enough time to prepare.
I think it will work for Kari Lake, maybe even more of her team.
If nothing else this method needs to be employed for Herschel Walker by every possible MAGA voter in Georgia.
I’m not buying it. It doesn’t take much more effort to go to a polling place than it did to remember to fill out the ballot and bring it to the post office. How often do people even use post offices now with direct bill pay?
This might account for a few extra votes but not for the large settings we are seeing. Furthermore this effect should be the same regardless of district and it clearly is vastly different from a safely dem district vs a battleground district. No, this is clearly to benefit fraud.
To me, the answer is “both . . . anyway” to “either we throw Trump under the bus or we keep getting screwed in every election”
it’s like the abuser saying “you’d better open this door NOW or I’m going to beat the hell out of you more, the longer you keep it closed”
No… it’s a false dichotomy, to hide that we do have a choice! And our choice IS PRES. TRUMP!
Throwing Pres. Trump is literally throwing our FREEDOM AWAY and endorsing continued cheating if the Elites don’t get their way.
What happened last week was that we were attacked en mass with electoral problems, Media attacks that painted Conservatives as Nazi Satanist Jesus Fanatics Who Want to Stop Infanticide of Minority Children (trust me Libtards be Libtarded). We faced BILLIONS of Dollars and the Left came away with a loss of the House and the Senate is held by them with a Frayed String!
Had DeSantis/GOPe led the charge we wouldn’t have had that. We would have had a Demoncrat Controlled House and Super Majority in the Senate!
This is just a mind game, the Left’s goal is to make us doubt ourselves and choices. It is an act of an abuser trying to cow us into submission.
Again, they threw the Kitchen Sink at US, and WE STILL STAND. And we’re STILL STANDING TALL AND PROUD. The GOPe wants losers – or basically slightly Right Leaning Blue Dog Dems – but for all practical purposes… losers. Don’t lose hope, don’t give the the Libtards and GOPe what they want… losers, by doubting yourselves! And don’t give up!
We cannot comply our way out of tyranny. The goal posts will be moved. Again.
Now its “comply” instead of “vote”, so go on, SAY it.
If you are going to the effort to post a comment “We can not vote/comply our way out of tyranny.”
SAY what you mean. The use of “Tyranny”, as intended triggers the memory of the quote about the tree of liberty.
So, just SAY it; you are NOT saying that the way out of tyranny is thru the ammo box.
And yet HOW, exactly does that work? How can we shoot our way to MAGA, cause I just ain’t seeing it.
ANY effort to resort to the ammo box, only furthers our enemies cause.
So gee, WHY would ANYONE post such a comment here, which says voting, organising etc. is a waste of time, and hinting that armed rebellion at some point in the future, is somehow (but not specified) the way we get out of tyranny?
Maybe to discourage MAGA from voting, organising, etc. and instead remain INACTIVE, clutching their bibles and oiling their guns, while they wait for the sign that never comes?
Let me start here… your comment is overly emotional. This isn’t the time to lose control.
Because I respect your intellect & commentary, I’ll explain myself.
The statement was in reply to “if we just get rid of Trump… in other words comply with the current demand which will of course morphe into another demand. And then another.
Let’s be real. The ammo box was the 1st box to be eliminated. Then the jury box was eliminated. Now the ballot box is gone too.
Who said that we should not organize, sit down & shut up? Not me. I didn’t raise a sheepdog having that kind of mentality myself. Now… let’s move on to a response lest we live out the gulag archipelago.
Or, YOU could jump under the bus, and give us all a little relief.
‘We are being held hostage. Either we throw Trump under the bus or we keep getting screwed in every election.’
Joe, what makes you think this is an either/or situation????
Essentially that’s the choice that we’re being offered.
Does that mean that there isn’t another choice? No.
“Either we throw Trump under the bus or we keep getting screwed in every election.”
Winston Churchill to Neville Chamberlain: “You were given the choice between war and dishonour. You chose dishonour, and you will have war.”
(not you, joe)
Love me some Churchill!
Have you missed Sundance’s recent article on ballot vs votes?? He gave the solution. I don’t understand why it’s being overlooked.
Let’s not overlook vote fraud which is agreed to beforehand by the republicans.
Where would we harvest these ballots? The ease with harvesting ballots was developed in heavily democratic areas. When I returned from Vietnam in 1970 my father, a staunch democrat, progressive. Clued me in on how they ( democrat s) would control the votes. The Conn. river valley was a large shade leaf tabacco producer. The areas city’s were Springfield Ma. Hartford Conn. all the way south to New Haven. Labor was brought in from the islands. The dems convinced the Spanish community to stay after the harvest of the tabacco crop. They promised subsidized housing, medical, food stamps and every social program under the sun. All in exchange for a democrat vote. They harvested vote in cities way back when. These areas have No republicans. There’s no inroads into these blue strongholds. If a conservative attempts to speak in the community they are chased out. Our message is essentially dead on arrival. News media/ local papers/ local business all tied to the Democratic Party. These cities are overwhelmingly minority run and criminal hellholes.
So, all the criminals of their own that they arrest and deny freedom and resources to are good fodder for mercenaries. Use it. Guerilla warfare. Psy-ops. Experimental interrogation. Nothing the Communists haven’t done.
It’s already done on a federal level. It’s called welfare.
You are 100% right, fertile grounds for harvesting do not exist for Rs.
Then we need a stealth campaign to harvest the Dems’ fertile grounds. And make those ballots disappear.
I guess that might be illegal though.
Wouldn’t simply be that citizens vote all the same way in person on Election Day? Gosh, it seems so dam obvious that that is the only fair way to vote.
Of course. But we have to get creative, because we can’t get to that obvious point in one step without the necessary power.
Denying that 40 percent of hispanics have come to the R party, andvit was in spite of, rather than because of, the GOPe leadership.
Can someone explain ballot harvesting? I understand that someone collects a bunch of ballots but how do the operatives know WHERE and WHO to collect them from? Do they have a bunch of filled out ballots that they hand out and then collect? If so, where do they get the bunch of ballots from? Thanks so much for explaining.
I understand in my county of Bucks in PA one of the commissioners allowing ballot harvesting in nursing homes in Bucks county. Does someone go to the nursing homes, hand out a bunch of ballots and then collect them? How is this legal? Chain of custody and tampering would seem to me to make such a practice illegal.
When my sister was in a nursing home, someone came to her room to register her to vote. Then one day during election “season”, they took all the registered residents to the activity room and helped them fill in their ballots. My sister couldn’t write or mark a ballot on her own and probably couldn’t see what they were marking for her.
My sister was only in her late 60s and was in nursing care mostly for physical disabilities. Her mind was pretty sharp. (Until Covid locked her in solitary confinement for a year and her mental acuity took a horrible nosedive.) But most of the people in there were elderly, had dementia and didn’t even know where they were.
Yet they were allowed to vote.
She passed away in February of this year. She probably voted though.
Thank you for your story, it does help to understand it. So abusive and cruel. I understand that Robert Harvey, one of the commissioners in Bucks County, allowed this type of ballot harvesting in PA. They simply can not win in a fair election. Im so sorry for the loss of your sister.
The rules are probably different in every state and maybe even in every county.
I’m afraid that the only real way to find out how it works is to start going to local meetings in your precinct and talking to the people you identify as trustworthy.
Even in my blueMA area I have found quite a few solid MAGA folks there who give me the correct information when I ask my endless questions.
Parties, organisations, pollsters have long had access to “voter rolls” mismaintained by State election depts, that list all voters by Party, address, and voting history.
Now, Citisens can acces this info as well. Someone on another thread put up the link to the site, and it can be used to challeng ballots at the polls.
As fot nursing homes; the people working there are taking low paying jobs that frankly nobody else wants.
The develop a relationship with those in their care, based on trust AND Dependancy, and there is little oversight from management.
And LOTS of $ to be made.
Look at 2000 mules, and notice how many mules were dressed in “scrubs”; those were nursing home workers, supplementing their income.
Yes, horrible. In PA there is a story out that OUR voter rolls and all the information in them was part of the Konnech China scandal, part of why they were silencing True the Vote’s Katherine and Phillip. PA is starting to make sense now. On voting day, for the first time, the voter poll book was not paper but electronic. I asked why the change to electronic? The poll workers had no answer but I the Repub poll workers were furious and blindsided. This was another decision of the bucks county commissioners, it seems. They had no power to grant us an audit in 2020 but plenty of power to replace poll books…
Basically if you want a country then we have to fight for the country. That means fighting fire with fire everybody knows what that means. We have families to save and no will save us but US. We have two years for the next election so we have to get cracking now. It’s time we stop complaining and start doing.
To make it very simple we have to get down and dirty like the Democrats. Start treating him as the enemy and go from there.
No, first we have to wrest control away from the GOPe, at the State level.
This can mean taking over the State R party.
Or, as in NC, it can mean creating grass roots organisations that bypass the R party, entirely.
LOOK at NC, major red victories, in spite of rather than because of the efforts of the State R party.
Over 100 school boards ‘,flipped’ from D to R, and the winners are MAGA “Keep your filthy hands off my kids!” people who won despite the efforts of State R parties.
To wrest control, convert to L and run independently of R and D? Aren’t people sick to death of the R’s and D’s and thusly more likely to vote independent libertarian? If the machines are fixated on R’s and D’s… maybe switching to an L will throw off the algorhythm?
This is a great point. We are making the argument for a third party. I pray our President reads these comments and seriously considers this
I came from libertarianism.
Sadly, the crop of young ones are nothing like the great Ron Paul who has rock-solid economic principles and basic “just leave everybody else the hell alone” social principles.
The new ones mostly just want more and more weed. They are LINOs.
Well, look at the votes Libertarian candidates get, and your question is answered.
Ron Paul is a Libertarian, but he ran as a REPUBLICAN in 2012.
Ditto his son ran as a REPUBLICAN.
GOLDWATER was a Libertarian, but always ran as a REPUBLICAN.
Everyone wants an easy and quick “answer”; the fight for liberty is NOT quick, and it sure as hell isn’t EASY.
Quit viewing this as a 2 hour movie that you are getting impatient for “and they all lived, happily ever after.”
Since talking movies, think of LOTR, where Gandalf says something like “end? it DOESN’T END. We each play our small part in the ongoing story, but it never ends.”
This battle between those who wish liberty, and those who wish to oppress, is as old as time, and will continue long after all of us are gone.
We must simple play our role,..
Where did you read of the NC school board victories? I know the three open seats in my NC county were all won by conservatives but haven’t seen any statewide data.
Over 100 school boards, nationwide “flipped” from D to R, and I think its a safe bet those were MAGA R’s, despite the FBI threats.
A little suggestion – because language matters…
The small “e” in GOPe stands for “elite,” correct? They are the scum of the earth, not elite in any sense.
I’m going to start calling them the GOPu for UniParty.
no worries..mitch and kevin are on it…
LtoL: We don’t have two years. Erase that thought from your thinking.
I know what you mean, but we cannot afford a lack of urgency. Every minute and every action count.
Two years from now won’t exist being overrun and dumped into the green new deal will finish us off. Done…done…done.
My next precinct meeting is on my calendar for next week. I’m going to “audit” to start.
I already did that a few times a decade ago but things were very different then. Now I know what questions to ask and what information to look for.
“Republicans need to spend big cultivating harvesting operations”
Aside from the obvious immorality of the activity (lying, theft by swindle) that doesn’t sit well with most Christians and many conservatives, the assumption is that the GOP can somehow win a game run by the Dem election cartel and abetted by corrupt media. Success requires
1) Management of expectations – courtesy of a compliant press and corrupt pollsters,
2) The means to flood the proper precincts with unassigned (no question mail-in) ballots – to create an illusion of legitimacy for the,
3) Injection of pre-filled ballots into the ballot stream and,
4) election judges and counters trained to not watch too closely, or concern themselves with chain-of-custody safeguards.
As long as the number of fake ballots counted does not exceed the number of potential voters, any accusation of fraud will be shut down by screams of “election denier” and corrupt/fearful judges who will squash any challenge in court.
You have to define “ballot harvesting” and take into acct what IS legal in many States.
If you have unsolicited mail out balloting in a State.
What is wrong with using the voter rolls to contact every registered R, and insure they either destroy the ballot, KEEP it to carry with them on election day to avoid the “you already voted” or to drop it at the polls, ON election day?
And, where ballot harvesting is legal, even doing THAT?
Until MAGA counts the ballots, we will need a lot of help from HP to prevail. Keep praying.
That’s the ticket!
The precinctproject.com guys need to incorporate this plan into their state by state operations.
I have quite a few neighbors for whom I’d be happy to collect a ballot and save them a trip if it turns out that is legal in blueMA. I don’t know and will need to ask trusted sources the details shortly.
Of course, if the MAGA movement learns how to use this system, I’d be prepared for a new initiative from the left to throw out paper entirely and vote by internet. And after that via brain chip. They will always be working on the next thing in the Reset agenda.
Science fiction is a good place to visualize their mad mindset. Asimov wrote a short story many years ago about having an election decided by a single voter. “Experts” showed up at this man’s door on the day and announced he was the designated voter. He expected that they would ask him for his choice. But no, of course. Instead they hooked him up to a whole lot of machines meant to somehow measure his emotional and mental state, and used that to determine the election. IIRC correctly, they didn’t even tell him who he had “voted” for – he was told he would learn that from the news.
I suspect Asimov actually thought we are a pure democracy, or should be in his opinion, and paid no attention to the Republic part of it all. He also wrote favorable stories about future world governments. All more than 50 years ago….
So basically we need to emulate the corrupt political machine known as the Democrat party and outdo them in collecting/buying ballots? Go into nursing homes and make the oldies vote for our candidates when most don’t have a clue what’s going on? It sounds like you are saying we need to jump into the Tammany Hall cesspool of corrupting our democracy by allowing the process to be more important then the outcome. Skip over the candidates and debates because they are irrelevant. So we end up with candidates like Dementia Joe and Lurch Fetterman who are just the faces of the unseen forces who got them elected? Somehow I don’t see Republicans handing over their votes to strangers coming to the door and saying they’ll take care of their vote. Sorry, there has to be a better solution than diving into the Dem cesspool of corruption with them.
How do you think World War II was won. When the Japanese were slaughtering our soldiers it took the Americans a while but we started wiping them out too, and we did that to Germany too that’s how we won by not being scrimmage.
I’m not saying we get immoral candidates like the Democrats what I’m talking about is the basic fight we could good candidate with morals but we have to get down in the mud when it comes to fighting like Trump. So many people say I don’t like the way he tweets or what he says just remember Patton.
What is the better way?
New here?
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Just saying – anybody who knows sundance would never be suggesting that spin on it.
When Mayor Washington in Chicago was running for election,
I had a business appointment near the projects on Western Avenue
off of 290. They were literally dragging people out of the
buildings on to school buses that were driving them to vote.
Many buses lined up and down the street.
I wish we were better at perspective.
What did Trump establish in 4 years as POTUS that wasn’t erased or ignored the past 2 years…?
When Trump won the nomination in 2016, I said, he’ll win if they don’t steal it for Hillary, but he’s just one man. There will be 2 keys to his Presidency — 1. maintaining enough discipline within the GOP in the Senate to prevent being removed from office via impeachment for jaywalking. 2. He’s just 1 man. He has to become a movement…
Desantis or Trump or a 2nd term for Biden…
Is it the key to the future? The cornerstone? Does it mean everything?
No. Not even close. If it were so utterly vital — 4 years of Trump would have left us in a far better position than we are in today — no? Can you reasonably argue I’m wrong about this…?
Of course – having the White House is a big deal. Having control of the House + Senate is a big deal —- if you can make sure the people you voted into office do what you want them to do……
Trump did become a movement.
In some ways, he’s been more effective out of office than he was in. But even if they block him from the nomination or White House in 2024, he can continue to be effective.
And more importantly, we need to stop focusing so much of our attention on each next election + who our favorite is…
Elections alone are not going to save us. A few of us have been saying that all along + getting busted for it – but we had the right point of emphasis….
It wasn’t Defeatist Talk or trying to Demoralize the MAGA Vote.
It was pointing out what should have been obvious about Elections in today’s America + trying to get a broader perspective from which better, more effective pressure could be built up….
Trump or Desantis in the White House in 2025 isn’t going to save us by itself even if we could dictate one of them gets the Presidency.
MAGA has to become a movement felt at each level + each month.
It’s not up to one man.
It’s not about Elections alone.
How about the states where the Republicans control everything, we start going after the Democrats throwing them in jail too so they see how they like it. The enemy is not going to change until you make their pain great enough and then they cry uncle.
I said elsewhere here — we need far more Watchdogs + Community Organizers than we do members of Congress right now. I wish Project Veritas could clone itself a few thousand times…
We don’t even have to concentrate on states where the GOP is in control. We can put effective pressure in places like NYC + Chicago if we really come together + pool our strengths…
We need far more leadership + organization… and we need it not focusing almost exclusively on the next election….
The democrat Watchdogs and Community Organizers, etc – are all funded by the government (federal, state & county) programs WITH OUR TAX DOLLARS … our money is being used to destroy us … and we don’t have the means to afford a counter front.
I respectfully disagree.
Think about a million Trump Voters regularly donating $25 of their pay to a trustworthy organization that distributes it to other orgs across the country…
For example – look at things like J. Vernon McGee’s online/radio ministry Thru the Bible:
The man has been dead since the late-1980s — but his ministry still gets his messages out to countless small organizations around the world in countless native languages…
If online/radio ministries in a time of fundamental apostacy can maintain missionary orgs overseas + at home ——— the 80 million who voted for Trump in 2020 can pool their resources to get things done without the GOP or anyone else lifting a finger in support…
I use the tip jar right here for that.
Don’t have much but do what I can…
I can see slow but steady progress in awareness and sunlight, every day.
And this site is part of that – sometimes a big part.
We have to build a party within a party, because much of what your describing is stuff the R State parties SHOULD be doing, but aren’t.
We DO have some “young turks” like those Charlie Kirk has with him, and they are working along these lines.
Kirk set up “Turning point action” (I think it was) that every Saturday, all over the country, had GOTV meetings, teaching people how to doorknock.
But yeah, its work and it doesn’t stop after an election.
PDJT has created a movement, that is now self-sustaining, and thats no small feat.
“We MUST not only destroy Trump, we must insure his “ilk” can NEVER rise again!”
Thats the goal, shared by McConnell and Pelosi, with equal fervor.
And WE are the “ilk” they speak of. And both WE and PDJT haven’t been destroyed, yet.
DJT was more popular, and the MAGA Movement larger;
After his nomination speech, than after the elevator speech.
After his Inaugeration speech, than after his nomination speech.
At the end of his first term, than at the beginning.
And more now, than when he left the WH.
And that despite constant, unremitting ceaseless attacks.
And now he has a whole army of people like KL, BM, Deperno, KK, Mastrianno and many others that, knowing full well the shitestorm of attack, stood up and said “I’m with PDJT!” despite R party consultants telling them “No, don’t SAY that!”
And that ain’t nothing!
Yes. He succeeded in making himself into a movement.
He does need to improve on that. Far more than just campaign rallies for Elections.
He could spearhead the creation of organizations designed to harness the strength of his voters.
For example, wouldn’t it be great to have Project Veritas chapters in at least all of the states with big population centers + all the big cities…?
Christianity is probably as weak as it has ever been but you still have numerous ministries that carry out evangelical missions around the world… Many/most of them surviving on small, regular donations…
Why do we expect President Trump to do everything?
Good to see that Sundance is at least open to the possibility that DeSanctimonious and Trump are role playing with their dustup with the primary objective of driving the RINOs out from under their slimy rocks. Being open to the possibility is all that anyone not directly involved can be at this point. What cannot be argued is that whatever the cause, the effect is to execute what would be a logical outcome of their working together.
DeSantis mega donor told us what he expected with his purchase of DeSantis and we are not going
to believe him?
Tom Richardson: Nope. I’m not “trusting the plan” and playing N-dimensional chess.
Now you’re talking. Want to play a game?
I think you are micharacterising what Sundance wrote, entirely.
In situations like this, solutions or something that eventually helps lead to a solution comes from “left field”.
This could come from Brazil. If the Brazilians, with the help of the military hold their ground and get a full investigation into their obviously rigged election then answers to how it was achieved will be revealed. I’m sure it will show similar players and methods involved in the US elections.
Getting that out to US public might be difficult but I’m sure that issue could be overcome.
The good people in Brazil don’t have weapons like we do here. If they deny Lula’s election, their only alternative is for the military to take over, of which Bolsonaro is a Captain.
Hopefully they have another way… I lived in Brazil during the Military Dictatorship and I don’t wish it back.
Looking forward to RDS holiday videos of him reading Make American Great Again books to his kids and building the wall with play blocks. That will be a good laugh. Is he so much more….asking Ronnies wife.
Reality check on House.
With 218 seats giving control, the US House now has 21 seats yet to call.
The Democrats need 14 of the 21, which is twice the 7 the Republicans need, but the last few days the Democrats have been getting 3 for every 1 the Republicans have been getting.
All these 21 seats must be fairly close or they would have been called by now.
Which party usually somehow (golly, I wonder how that would be?) ends up winning most all the close races, especially when ‘counting’ goes on for many days?
Also, many of those are in CA.. Dems will control both houses by one. We will be compensated by the dems installing Liz C. as speaker. They always had total control of results and are just rubbing our noses in it. Since Trumps big announcement is Tuesday. They will finish Lake off tomorrow and call AZ for Hobbs.
Never go full eeyore.
Yes, any given loss is always in the cards as something that may happen. Most anything is.
However, asserting that the worst will happen is in my opinion where debate ends and doomer mentality kicks in. It makes no more sense than asserting that the best will happen. The fact is that no one can know for sure.
Go listen to some of the Charlie Kirk show which is joining with Bannon to examine what is happening in AZ. They are not doing “hopium” there. They are following and explaining all the details to the most minute, and working hard doing it.
And their attitude is warrior-positive.
Not exactly; we can harvest like Californians on peyote but it matters most who ‘counts’ the harvest and even determines what exactly is permitted to be counted.
And the counting almost always finalizes in big population centers with residents who are amoral when it comes to Constitutional rights.
Funny thing, the lefties and never-Trumpers are so excited by their preferred results in the Steals that it has not yet dawned on them that they have also lost the right to vote.
So many excuses have been made as to why the counting takes so long, so…
Red counties need to drag their feet until after the blue counties Release their counts.
Throw sand in the gears.
But the red counties don’t have to do that. The coruptocrats are doing it for them by slow-walking. This is what is happening in AZ.
Yes, but they won’t get it until they are canceled, lied about, fired then they may start to ask what happened.
until we address the republican party’s complicity with the stolen election…….
From now on I intend on no longer voting for republicans (as opposed to MAGA) for president, senate, and the house of representatives. I would rather starve one side of the uniparty bird. Both sides love a near 50/50 split. For me, I want to see a 100/0 split and see how many dollars a republican party can attract when they are reduced to ashes. Mitch, Kevin, and Ronna have demonstrated that they will not give $$$ to MAGA candidates so their side does not get my vote anymore.
On a state level I will continue to support MAGA candidates and see if we can drive the uniparty vulture into oblivion. Maybe if we take our states back and turn them into MAGA then we can attack the head of the beast that is DC. But hoping for a top down solution is futile.
I think that the only fix that We the Little People have is a bottom up approach.
That’s a good idea for 1 election cycle. But even if we could get 100% of people on board and show the absurdity in these elections, I believe they’d have a fix or would fix it in the do-over election. There’s a serious sophistication in these stolen elections I don’t think we even have a clue on
I’ve thought about it. I may end up voting for the fringe candidate or else commie dem for presidential and Congressional elections because I do not want them to cheat and use my ballot to vote for a RINO. I am sure that they cheat for both sides.
If the RINOs start bleeding voters in Federal elections then they will have to come up with a solution. It may just be cheating for the RINOs.
Right now, I can see both sides of the Uniparty bird start panicking when the RINOs keep losing in a landslide. How can they reconcile that individual states are turning MAGA-red when Washington DC is 100% commie dem? How can they blame anything that is done on the federal govt on the republicans (RINOs or MAGA) when there are none to be seen in DC?
They love their current power structure and both teams want to keep the same people voting for them over and over. Sometimes they may have to make “adjustments” to elections to make sure that the correct people win but overall, they like what they have.
On a Federal level, I’m out except for PDJT.
Like fetterman and biden at the bottom of the ocean with no breathing gear, its a good start, and I commend you for recognising no good can come to you, from any RINO.
As an example, the two asshats in chargecof the Maracopa County elections are Bill no not that one Gates, and Steve Richer, board of Supervisors and County Recorder, both ELECTED positions.
Both ran and were elected, as REPUBLICANS, and were voted for by R voters that just “voted straight R ticket” ASSUMING the R party vetted them.
The truth is, the RINOS in the State party PUT them there.
The party is experiencing a MAGA insurgency, which is why both have been censured by the party; basically kicked out.
Consider as your next step, attending your local R pary monthly meeting.
Begin the process of changing the party from RINO to MAGA.
If you do, just know you are entering enemy territory and conduct yourself accordingly.
When I join the R party meeting, I will definitely join as a stealth MAGA. I’m sure that they would rather have a Bernie fan at an R meeting than a MAGA fan. So I will have to be very under the radar.
I believe that the R’s in Nevada in Las Vegas are as contemptuous of MAGA as the R’s on a national level.
It has to be done from the county up. PDJT cannot do it all. God can but he’s not ready to crush these demons.
Sure, yea, lets be like the libs…let’s start flooding red areas with illegals so we can pad the voter rolls and harvest their ballots…what could go wrong??? They are better at being bad because they are evil and have decades of practice. Aside from divine intervention, it’s over.
At this rate, and considering what it will take, this is going to need to be solved at the county level.
And the way forward will be the same as the battel of Athens TN, 1946.
Well Republicans won’t harvest ballots of out of staters, those in nursing homes or those of the dead because it’s illegal so we’re at a distinct massive election disadvantage. Silly me I went and voted on election, took an hour and a half, thinking that would help deter the Democrats from dumping the correct amount of ballots to win! Won’t waste the time to do that again, I’ll just vote early. The only mail in ballots that should be allowed are absentee ballots and that’s it the rest are all fraudulent!!
I’ll vote for President Trump again if he runs but I believe the Democrats are fairly secure now in winning 2024 after seeing what happened last week! They got the steal down, it’s perfected, it’s baked into the swing states now and for any candidate who needs a must win! Sent campaign money to several very good MAGA candidates who got beat by ballot dumps! Seems like wasted money now? I was so naïve I thought they so good they could actually win!! Oh well!
We just need to “pass go” and dust off the 2nd amendment.
Oh, hourglass, PLEASE enlighten us!
WHAT, exactly does thst look like?
HOW is that, in ANY way going to MAGA?
HOW is it NOT going to give the enemy just what it is salivating over; a chance to round up all MAGAS, disarm them and ship them to camps?
Or, a civil war which will decimate the population which oh, gee one of their goals IS depopulation.
Thats before we even get into the issue of taking another human life, and trust me somewhere NOBODY wants to go.
You can not conquer HATE, with hate.
I agree. They’ve got the steal down. Their candidates hardly campaigned. Because they knew they didn’t have to, the fix was in.
I think playing the game around the new “rules” created by the democrats and GOPe is fine. The democrats have an inherent advantage, but we are the 55% if everyone participates. So we do, then what? Well, we’ll see how the DOJ and the courts treat the exact same behavior by republicans versus democrats.
Pretend, for example, that what we just saw happen in the open in AZ and NV was reversed, i.e,, republicans produced many tens of thousands of late-game “ballots” that swung the elections their way. Do you think the democrat party, the DOJ, and the media would be ok with that? I think not. The howling would be deafening and the courts would throw-out the results straight-away and require detailed recounts, voter verifications, and maybe a new election.
As an example, look at what happened in Wisconsin in 2020. The State Supreme Court (majority GOP) ruled that over 200K illegal ballots were counted that should not have counted, but they did nothing past that. If the shoe were on the other foot, you know exactly how it would go. Not saying don’t try, saying be prepared for the next “fix”.
When you are trying to beat the house in a rigged game, there is no point in that game where it becomes “fair”. It’s a rigged game.
Sadly, what you say is true. The media would be screeching at high decibels. With media and the courts in Dem pockets, Republicans couldn’t pull it off.
You know what really saddens me? Let’s say the Republican learn to ballot harvest… the Dems will already be on to the next way to cheat. Think about it…this has been going on for a long time. Just in our lifetimes, they graduated from hanging chads to machines that flip votes to mail in voting and drop boxes to extended days of counting and now to ballot harvesting. The republicans never fight back and we have to assume it’s because they don’t want to fight back..they are A ok with the outcomes, I mean, nobody could be that stupid on purpose. This will never get fixed and be fair because the folks in power don’t want it to be fixed… even if the illegality was exposed to the general population, our Justice institutions would refuse to prosecute. Everyone in power wants exactly what has happened to happen. I honestly do see how this can be made right. 🙁
Oops – I don’t see how it can be made right.
I have to agree.
Wow.
Even your avatar speaks your doomster point of view.
Ah well, chacun à son goût..
Maybe “DeSantis is not a participating member of the corporate control system”, but so far, he has been a beneficiary of it.
there’s enough evidence to arrest all of bush/obama admin for war profit start EU migrant/Ukraine crisis
but first it’s pivotal spread message obama is bush 3-4th term while biden is bush 5th steal iraq-ukraine resources!
victoria nuland was part of bush admin! podesta putin file, cloudstrike ukraine
obama destroy Libya send troops to Syria Somalia Sudan was originally bush/cheney job=democracy died star wars style thunderous applause
wesley clark got blackmailed by hillary clinton=
. . or . . Trump could pass the reins to DeSantis and Maga could live on, with Trump as elder statesman and supporter. What a chess move that would be . .
Wanna bet we don’t see PDJT “passing the torch to Desantis, or anyone else on Tursday, Stockman?
No, no, no. He won his second term. I want him to serve the 4 years that he earned.
Red counties everywhere need to drag their feet and wait for blue totals before they release their ballots/counts.
Deny them the information they need to pull off the cheats and make them put their cards on the table first.
That would certainly be helpful.
And it can be done. In Az, the county recorder, working with the county board of Supervisors, actually conducts the elections in each County, of which we have 15.
Pinal swings left, but 13 other counties are red to deep red, and they USUALLY offset Pinal.
Which is why, in Az it all comes down to Maracopa.
If Conservative counties elect conservative Recorders and Boards, there is no reason they couldn’t play “I’ll show you mine, when you show me yours!”
And lets cut through the chaff, of Sundance accepting the flawed premise;
Until the Republican party control, is wrested from the GOPe, it doesn’t MATTER if its a “R” or “D” after their name, we will not getca POTUS that gives a rats *ss about America or the American people.
THATS what the Big Ugly is all about, its what MAGA is all about, and it is EVERYTHING.
MSM lamestream media “the enemy of the people”? Yes, of coarse.
But Federal law already restricts media ownership, and thevlegislation was written to prevent EXACTLY the situation we find ourselves in.
However, the FCC left it up to regulators (the FCC) to set specific percentage maximums, on media ownership in medua markets across the country.
And, as media giants bought up more and more newspapers, radio and TV stations, the FCC just raised the percentages.
Are we supposed to believe that,as this was occurring, a small percentage raise at a time, and occurring both during R administrations, and when R’s controlled Congress, that the R party leaders didn’t NOTICE?
The degeneration of the Public School system, and Higher education into leftist indoctrination centers, ditto.
They didn’t NOTICE?
EVERY advance the “leftists” have made, to infiltrate and control EVERY institution was visible, apperent and obvious to anyone looking, especially those ostensibly who’s JOB was TO LOOK, …AND to stop it from happening.
And this most definetly applies to how elections are conducted. You simply CAN NOT argue that Republicans in leadership Nationally, and in State Republican parties, didn’t see this happening, and didn’t coutenance it and participate actively.
As for DeSantis he is a dead candidate running.
KL wins, and begins using the awsome powers of a Governor, and his title as “Americas Governor” (an obvious theft of Giuliani as Americas Mayor) goes up in smoke.
He was an average conservative Governor, did nothing that any conservative governor should have done, ..
If they steal it from KL, then just as there is NO OTHER Candidate for POTUS, in 2024 other than PDJT (for MAGA) there simply can be NO OTHER Candidate for V-POTUS, than KL.
Like “Biden/Fetterman 2024”,…its a no brainer.
KL, win or lose destroys the prop that is RDS.
Well, Sundance, you were wrong on the AZ and NV results. Could be that you are wrong about DeSantas. I think the article is spot on.
The final results, with possible court challenges aren’t in.
However, the vote IS in on Desantis, and anyone pinning there hopes on him, should invest in this great crypto, its called FTX or something?
Votes for Ron…Ballots for Gavin! Now that the National media, the Never-Trumpers, the Turncoats, the Democrats, the Globalists etc., etc., etc., have autopsied a dead and buried Donald John Trump, let’s take a peek at what really is the desired Race-du-jour! 😂 😂
If Trump still owned the rights to a beauty pageant, he could resurrect himself and NBC by showcasing these two beauties for the entertainment of us, the brain-dead masses who believe that VOTES and going to the POLLS really matters! Since we now have given up all chain-of-custody rights since 2020 because of Mail-in ballots and Drop Boxes, we should just sit back and enjoy what will be shoved up our a$$es for the next two years! Things were so bad back in 2020 and the scare tactics were so effective by the Big Club to frighten us, that the White House has announced the Pandemic emergency will continue well into 2023 and beyond!😂😂😂
So, get ready for the Thrilla in Vanilla! In one corner is “god” man created on the 8th day by a “psyche” operation that is funded by so much money it makes our National Debt look like a slush fund! A media extravaganza with ad slots being sold for two years! In the other corner is “Cali-boy” Gavin, another squeaky clean and gelled autobot groomed for combat! Both youngsters when compared to the geriatrics that make up our current Houses in DC-OZ! They have pretty wives, stunning little rug rats and I’m sure within the next year a couple of dogs if not already, just for good measure! All made for TV, because voting in ‘24 won’t really matter!
So, buckle up kiddos and suck it up! This past escapade called a mid-term Election, despite all evidence of voodoo from 2020, will teach us nothing! And nothing will be done! Our right to Assemble can be crushed by another virus, our right for free speech has been canceled, our Freedom of Religion has been replaced by a godless, secular sickness that can’t identify gender and refuses right for life up to 1 minute before birth! The good news is we still have Freedom of the Press, as long as it is FAKE News and can be in line with the approved narrative by a handful of media conglomerates that control ALL media sources!
Finally, while we have abandoned law and order and no longer respect our borders nor our culture, we stand by hopelessly watching our towns and cities becoming homeless $hitholes because of a myriad of causes that we ignore to rectify! Our political system is broken, our Separation of Powers within three branches of Government no longer functions as constitutionally designed! No one wants to be a cop anymore because cashless bail makes putting your life on the line pretty senseless because the perp you arrest will be released from jail, notwithstanding Lawfare may bankrupt in the near future for not following policy and procedure!
Oh, there is so much to fix. Mother Liberty, Uncle Sam, the American flag, the Dollar and our Vote just don’t seem to have the same luster these days! They are no longer the shiny objects! Alas, Ron or Gavin to the rescue! Sit back and enjoy the folly! It’s about to get a Hell of a lot worse if we don’t wake the fck
up! Despite Gavin we still may have hopes for Biden and Fetterman in 2024! 😂 😂 Why not, it would be a No Brainer of a ticket!
May the Lord not forget us as we pray! Perhaps it really isn’t up to him….maybe he has decided to let it up to us to fix this fckn mess!
Republican Voters Take Lead in Critical Miami-Dade Early Vote, Current Trend Looks Ominous for Democrats in Florida
Gee, I wonder why?
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/11/04/republican-voters-take-lead-in-critical-miami-dade-early-vote-current-trend-looks-ominous-for-democrats-in-florida/
-Isnt it obvious the results from Florida would be mirrored everywhere if it were not for a rigged system?
-Isnt it obvious the Cabal abandoned their fraud operation in Florida in order to boost DeSantis over Trump?
Sundance is the first person I heard explain how this “ballot vs vote” game is set up. It’s good to see a lot of other writers joining in now, including how some of them are actually crediting Sundance for helping sound the alarm. (I’m NOT surprised our guy was out in front of another major issue… though I AM a bit surprised this time he’s actually getting some credit.)
So yeah…
“Republicans need to spend big cultivating harvesting operations in key districts across the country where it’s legal until they have enough power to outlaw it, along with no-excuse mail ins.”
THIS! I guess it’s a little like “If you can’t beat ’em, join ’em”, which I don’t particularly like… but that’s just the way it is. We gotta do what we gotta do!
As for the DeSantis vs Trump saga, I still keep praying Ron comes to his senses. Maybe I’m naive, but I still think there’s a chance he and Trump will come together at some point. I have an incredible fantasy that on Tuesday, along with all the others at the announcement, in walks Ron DeSantis. I know, I know, I’m WAY out there in Fantasy Land… but the splody heads would be visible from space! 😀
As a kid around 10-12 years old, when my parents divorced, I became a fierce fighter at school.
P.O.’d at the divorce, I didn’t need a reason to fight, just an excuse, and any would do.
We had rules, not written down but everybody knew, and you would rather lose the fight, than be branded as “fighting like a girl” (hair pulling, biting, scratching) or a “dirty fighter” blows below the belt, eye poking, choking, etc.
Fights generally were surrounded by an audience of our peers, that were also referees/judges, and you didn’t want them labeling you.
Fast forward to my late teen years, I get busted and sent up for 14 months, not “juvie” which is like jail (temporary) this is like prison, for under 18.
First fight I get in, the guy gets me down wrestling, and tries seriously to gouge my eye out!
A RUDE awakening for me, I flip him so I am on top, and I try my damndest to blind that mothertrucker.
So, I can well understand the concept of using those tactics which are being used against us.
Its a discussion definetly worth haveing, and I also well understand the countervailing argument;
If you resort to the tactics OF Satan, to BEAT Satan, ..he wins.
Until there are enough repukes to take up the fight, we are screwed. We are on our own. Prepare.
“The main issue is ballot harvesting [legal gathering] and no-excuse universal mail in ballots. Republicans need to spend big cultivating harvesting operations in key districts across the country where it’s legal until they have enough power to outlaw it, along with no-excuse mail ins.”
Why the great pretending to ignore the key ingredient which made the above possible? That ingredient is still the most important piece of the recipe.
Why/How is no-excuse universal mail in ballots a thing now since the invention of the Pandemic? Since the invention of the Pandemic. Since the invention of the Pandemic.
Hint: Biden Regime Plans to Extend Covid-19 Public Health Emergency Through Spring of 2023………….2024?
WHAT FREAKING PANDEMIC?
Well, according to the power in Chicago…its causing medium level concerns/hospitalizations etc. And RSV, about the “children”…
Watch out for Pritzker…he wants your kids jabbed for school. And he wants to live at 1600…and will no doubt remodel the bathrooms with older toilets from his Chicago digs…./s.
Arizona is a state which has made no excuse mail in voting legal in the 90’s However, after the fake pandemic this method of voting was pushed everywhere and in all states as an covid-19 mitigation effort.
This shift made ballot harvesting the new normal.
So now it sounds like the strategy is to beat the enemy at their own game? Trying to dismantle the building materials that the enemy constructed while leaving the foundation in place is futile.
The Republicans showing in this election was a disaster in most areas. It’s time for new leadership on the national level and in a lot of states also. Whining about cheating in blue states is pointless. My state, Maine, is blue, not because of cheating, but because of total incompetence and irrelevance of Republican leadership.
And new leadership must take up the issues that are our concern. The problem is right now, they are diametrically opposed to “We the People”. They are trying to make us “forgotten again”.
Along with every vote that we must fight for…every legal vote…we literally must fight for every penny that is ours.
Bob Hickok
THANK YOU! EXACTLY.
IF we don’t see and address the GOPe as our #1 ENEMY, and vanquish THEM, and instead keep joining with them, to try to beat the Democrats, we will never prevail.
Maybe we should start our own govt/elections. In our same towns and states. Just treat our elected leaders as legitimate
Ugh. This article totally ignores the malfeasance of the Republican Party.
We’ve been dealing with this for over six years. There was even a commission under Trump, run by Chris kobach and then mike pence, that conveniently went nowhere.
The RNC is just as culpable by splitting races to control who doesn’t win, by ignoring all signs of fraud and by shutting down the outcry claiming‘disinformation’.
And when republicans go on network/cable don’t answer question. Just speak about conservative talking points! And I mean conservative. And censure Romney.
And talk about Dem corruption, did you see where Politico reported that Bankman-Fried was a “top resource” who democrats went to when lawmakers first began considering how to regulate cryptocurrencies, because of Sam’s “willingness to write multimillion dollar checks to boost Democrats.” Blockchain Association Executive Director Kristin Smith described book-hater Bankman-Fried as “the darling of Washington policy circles.”Let me spell it out for you. In other words, it looks like the U.S. sent military-aid money to Ukraine, Ukraine sent money to FTX, and then FTX sent money back to democrat politicians, PACs, and nonprofits for the elections.
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The struggle is much more than 800 pounds of votes v. ballots !
The Administrative State, a.k.a. the empire, is here to stay. In one form or another Americans, most all, even if they don’t know it, want to retain the Leviathan. People are more conditioned to seek leaders, rather than managers or themselves, to handle their governments. MAGA wants the Leviathan or certainly it seems so.
Inherent revolution or “Let’s try again in another two years.” Traditional means no longer work ! And, have not for 110 years !
John Solomon today brings up Reagan, which is OK, but it still fails the depth of the problem. Since it’s Armistice Day weekend, please recall around that period.
Nothing to stop DeSantis making his intention clear, that he will remain as FL governor, not run for potus in 2024.
In fact, Ron DeSantis should be spearheading the “Stop The Steal” (or something more clever), inviting other state’s officials to visit FL and learn the multiple safe guard measures in FL to instill the election integrity and confidence in general public. And those states refusing to participate should have to face their own residents’ scrutiny.
2 Thessalonians 2
New Life Version
Some People Will Believe a Lie
2 Our Lord Jesus Christ is coming again. We will be gathered together to meet Him. But we ask you, Christian brothers, 2 do not be troubled in mind or worried by the talk you hear. Some say that the Lord has already come. People may say that I wrote this in a letter or that a spirit told them.
3 Do not let anyone fool you. For the Lord will not come again until many people turn away from God. Then the leader of those who break the law will come. He is the man of sin.
4 He works against and puts himself above every kind of god that is worshiped. He will take his seat in the house of God and say that he himself is God.
5 Do you not remember that while I was with you, I told you this? 6 You know the power that is keeping the man of sin back now. The man of sin will come only when his time is ready. 7 For the secret power of breaking the law is already at work in the world. But that secret power can only do so much until the One Who keeps back the man of sin is taken out of the way.
8 Then this man of sin will come. The Lord Jesus will kill him with the breath of His mouth. The coming of Christ will put an end to him. 9 Satan will use this man of sin. He will have Satan’s power. He will do strange things and many powerful works that will be false. 10 Those who are lost in sin will be fooled by the things he can do. They are lost in sin because they did not love the truth that would save them. 11 For this reason, God will allow them to follow false teaching so they will believe a lie.
12 They will all be guilty as they stand before God because they wanted to do what was wrong.
Sundance, don’t go against your instincts now.
You were correct the first time, DeSantis is a snake and the feud is real.
I’ve heard all the pros and cons regarding going third party.
If we have GOP elites who are willing to lose, just to break the back of the MAGA movement, then what do we have to fear from creating a new party?
If we’re going to lose, we might as well lose on our own terms.
No, this is a call to get just as dirty as the Democrat Party. Same problem the American army had in World War II with the Japanese.
That’s right, good guys finish last on the battlefield, but it comes at a price. These people are willing to do anything to anyone. See the problem.
Example only: what do you think the Democrats would do if we used Drop Boxes in the same way. Well, they would disappear one way or another.
Nice analogy. We.ve been getting kamikazied when what we need is an atomic bomb!
To get write in ballots or votes contact registered Republican voters who do not make it a habit of voting. There is data out there on how many do not vote.
The democrats are always on offense.
The GOP (the ones who care) is always on defense.
Ballot harvesting works in high density areas where people are expected to vote a certain way.
“The main issue is ballot harvesting [legal gathering] and no-excuse universal mail in ballots. Republicans need to spend big cultivating harvesting operations in key districts across the country where it’s legal until they have enough power to outlaw it, along with no-excuse mail ins.”
This may work in a few states, but not those where the harvesting is rampant. The repubs in the large metropolitan areas on the state level are few and far between, and any repubs in leadership positions are feckless at best. Perhaps NV could work out something like this with its new gov, but Im not holding my breath
At the federal level there is a huge stumbling block to achieve the results that are needed to fix the problem, and the biggest problem is the leadership and repub clowns like this:
BRENNAN: Should leadership elections in the Senate be delayed until December, and should Mitch McConnell remain as Republican leader in the Senate?
COTTON: Well, I don’t see why we would delay the election, since all five or six of our leadership elections are uncontested. You know, the great wrestling champion Ric Flair used to say, to be the man, you got to beat the man. And so far, no one’s had the nerve to step forward and challenge Senator McConnell. So, I support Senator McConnell. I support the other slate of candidates for our leadership elections. I think it’s better that we move forward with these elections, so we can focus again on the Georgia runoff.
They just want to move on and forget the steals as they follow the old crow into hell, so I thinks its time to go scorched earth on these repubs and stop voting for them. Go third party or let the dim win. Thats the only way we can vote ourselves out of this never ending corruption.
That 800 pound gorilla’s nickname is RUNBECK.
I’ve asked this before, are there going to be enough electoral college votes in 2024 for not just Trump, but any other Republican Presidential candidate to win? I mean, even if Kari Lake prevails over the steal attempt, cleans up elections, makes AZ Red as it really is, is that enough? Wouldn’t we need one more mid-sized state? Where is that coming from? I have my doubts it would be Georgia. It won’t be PA or MI. I’d have had more hope in WI had they won a supermajority in their State Legislature (veto-proof over/against Dem Governor Evers) so as to clean up their election process.
“I’ve asked this before, are there going to be enough electoral college votes in 2024 for not just Trump, but any other Republican Presidential candidate to win?”
You do realize talk like that can get you called a troll?
But clearly, the Democrat Fascists plan is to have 2016 be the last time – ever – that a Republican is elected President, and they sure seem to to have it coming together for them.
Troll? How is my question trolling? Please explain, as trolling was not my intent. I am behind Trump, but for those arguing for DeSantis, my point was that even he might not be able to win enough electoral votes, so the point of arguing this Trump vs. DeSantis thing may be moot right now.
You missed my point.
Your question is not trolling at all.
My point was, some here, not me, will still call you that name. It has happened many times before here from those who want nothing but Happy Talk..
The repubs have sold us out as much if not more then the Dems. We know their game , but it could all be stopped today if the Repubs wanted it to be by going after these fake elections and explaining the fraud such as the money laundering in Ukraine. Problem is they benefit from these actions just like the Dems.
Maybe it’s time we leave the Republican Party and all join the Dems and destroy them from within. It’s that or start the Patriot party .
I agree with the linked article, Sundance, but I am left asking, “In such a rigged system and with only two years before the next election, why would Sundance believe Trump could win?”
What would it take?
What’s the magic thing that takes the place of all the rigging? All the illegal money?
We don’t control the machinery of voting in PA, WI, MI, etc.
The only thing I can think of that Trump possesses is knowledge of Spygate, the Steal of 2020, but that has gotten us nowhere.
He needs the voices not just of ordinary Americans but some titans of business and industry to help validate what he says and he needs PROOF to stuff down the throats of those who vote Dem and those bastards need SHAMING.
What am I missing?
“What would it take?”
It would take an inflation rate of a lot higher than we have now. Maybe 50%.
It would take fentenol deaths going from 100,000 per year to 500,000 per year, at least.
It would take the murder rate in big cities going up by about 3 fold.
It would take hundreds of thousands of Americans literally freezing to death in the winter.
Then, maybe Trump voters would be a large enough majority of the nations to overcome all the fraud from Democrats — — maybe.
“What am I missing?” :
A few items missing concerning PDJT is his international ties and loyalties with foreign leaders for a big one.
-His security is known world-wide as the best, just as it was when he was a world-class businessman.
-He DOES NOT KNOW F.E.A.R.
-No one can figure out what his next moves are going to be.
-He knows more conservative billionaires than 10 Marc Elias’s can imagine.
-He is even loved by the ‘rich liberals’ because they respect his business acumen.
-He is loved by the military and yes there really was a SOC that engaged with him to run for POTUS.
-He can’t be bought.
-He is honest.
That’s just a few off the top of my head BUT the really BIG ONE:
PDJT loves the United States of America and is willing to do ANYTHING to save it from the Evil Enemy Within.
Take it to the Bank.
Underestimate DJT at your own peril.
Side note…next to no programs announcing the USMC Birthday on Nov. 10th….they ‘combined’ it as an afterthought for Veteran’s Day.
PDJT would not have let that happen.
““In a rigged electoral system, no Republican candidate… can be expected to win a national election.”
A couple years ago Pompeo told a group of governors he’s seen a list of US governors ranked by friendliness to CCP. The NH governor was listed as a friendly.
I can see the corrupt powers that be, with the illusion of fairness in mind, allowing this type of “R” to win, placating the masses. All the while pointing-‘See, a Republican has won, there’s no corruption or vote fraud!’
Somehow Sununu was one R governor who won by the same hefty margin as all the national Dem candidates in his state, and in 2020 Biden trounced President Trump!? (or so we are expected to believe).
True to his kind, he comes out saying it’s Trump’s fault the red tsunami never materialized.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/nov/13/nh-gov-chris-sununu-extremism-cost-republicans-vot/
You are onto something….
“allowing this type of “R” to win, placating the masses”
this is an important concept, and it is key to the deep state victory in 2022: they needed to wave the peasants off of their near pitchfork revolt by giving them the impression that the democratic system works. It is in this way that they keep us docile and compliant.
Its working swimmingly. they achieved a great victory last week – far better than if they simply had the DNC “win.”
Yes, just like in 2020, where McConnell polled at 30 percent, Graham went on National TV, begging for donations cause the Dems were spending $30 mil to defeat him,…and both won handily.
Desantis, Kemp look at how the GOPe candidates won, handily.
Time and again you can see it (if you but take off the blinders) the “Dems” always, always, always protect their RINO Comrades.
Because without the GOPe wing, the Uniparty bird can’t fly. Basic aerodynamics.
Was China Mitch really at 30%?
I don’t know about Mitch but I bit on Graham and he immeduately betrayed me.
So when Phillip and Catherine tell you there is a server with the names and addresses of voters living on that server in China, maybe we should believe them. Dollars to donuts, votes were switched overnight. It isn’t just the mail in ballots. It’s the computers also. All assets used.
yoyo sununu said same stuff to george Stephanopoulos today
Sununu is popular with this constituents.
“Pompeo told a group of governors he’s seen a list of US governors ranked by friendliness to CCP”
Two things can be true at the same time.
1) Governors, and politicians as a whole, are free to make self-serving deals with Communist China so long as they align with the Deep State
2) The Deeps State owns these politicians and their elections, who then legislate to preserve and protect the interests of Deep State
To cover over such profitable treason, the conspirators might well float a plausible conspiracy theory as a smokescreen to hide the actual conspiracy.
Pompeo, it seems, would be in an ideal position to do so.
Funny thing … no one has touched PDJT’s China tariffs …
https://www.newagebd.net/article/180132/us-confirms-china-tariffs-to-remain-in-place-pending-review
Isn’t that interesting …
Kemp won in Georgia; I’ve been reading for a long time that he has ties to China. Monica Matthews (minister & radio/podcast host) has said this many times. She is very well informed. I’m not saying that I wanted Stacey Abrams to win, of course, but would have preferred a much better Republican/conservative candidate.
Kemp gave GA to Biden in 2020, then the establishment blamed Trump for losing the Senate. He was better than Abrams but that is always the choice isn’t it?
FRatso the Tank, is like Hitlery, hard to control, Kemp is much easier to control!
Seems like I read in these pages that Abrams was assured a win this go around. I do remember what I read here but if there was a re-evaluation I never saw it.
Come off it! Sununu is a much more dependable Republican than Pompeo is, and Pompeo is pretty good, except for his China obsession.
He’s pathetic. His support for Bolduc, MAGA light, and Leavitt , MAGA, was lessthan luke warm – as he was instructed by the
Bush cartel – who did Daddy work for again ?! Unfortunately he’s well postioned – the NH Senate is only 24 members 14 R and 10 D. The NH House, approximately 30 races are being contested/ will have recounts and right now the R’s hold the House by only 6 203-197. Most NH R’s are essentially what used to be called blue dog D’s anyway so nothing good is going to happen over the next couple of years- the Governors term is only 2 years in NH – his plan is to run against Shaheen in a couple of years. More CCP love coming Sununu.
Comedy relief:
“Dave Chappelle out-EXPERTS all the experts when it comes to Trump in SPECTACULAR SNL opening (watch)”
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2022/11/13/dave-chappelle-out-experts-all-the-experts-when-it-comes-to-trump-in-spectacular-snl-opening-watch/
He made fun of Herschel Walker but NOTHING to say about ‘Lurch’ Fettermen, why? not enough comedy material there?
spent alotta time on Jews, Kanye’s problem, but NOTHING on trans-gender perversity, his issue, why?!
The guy is a professional comedian. HE gets to choose what he wants to spout on his shows. And good for that! Our 1st amendment is hanging by a thread currently (thanks to the leftist-politicized FBI and DOJ). I applaud his tenacity.
You obviously haven’t seem the hilarious blizzard of kvetching on Twitter
I think because he’s actually handicapped- it’s a bit too spicy when the butt of a joke is too mentally impaired to understand/ laugh with you at the joke. JMHO
I have always thought that was the reason the global psychopaths chose Greta. She was a sick child, and they knew that it’s very difficult to really properly go hard and argue against a sick child. There’s no way to come out of that debate well, even under all the circumstances of her trying to destroy our lives plus being factually incorrect about what she is saying.
How Dare You!
He kept talking about Kayne West. Chappelle wasn’t very funny.
He’s never been funny.
He was hilarious. I don’t know what you think you were watching
He wasn’t Dave Chappelle. He looked like he was pandering to new allowed on mainstream again. It’s was pretty sad. True comedians are best when they are saying things that make people uncomfortable and he was damn good at it… but what I saw was pretty nauseating.
Of course he kept talking about Kanye, because Kanye refused to denigrate Trump.
Chappelle is safely back on the plantation again. Too bad.
He portrayed Trump as a buffoon and a liar. “Screaming at the top of his lungs” during a debate? Trump never did that. “Honest liar”? When did he lie? Chappelle also portrayed Ohioans (and of course all other people in flyover country) as bumpkins.
Chappelle is a wuss. He stepped off the plantation, the Dems rounded him up and threatened him, and he went right back to the plantation.
His 5 minute spiel on Jussie Smollett was comic genius. Watch it on you tube 🤣
Sigh……
I know it is wishful thinking…..
But sure wish President Trump would start a MAGA party!
That is the only way I would EVER change my party designation from Independent.
People gripe about the Republican party…
Well….fire them!
Change to Independent!
I did on January 7th 2021. Jan 6th did it for me.
I put my fist in the air and shouted—Enough! Stomped my feet…..
Went online and changed to Independent.
Have not regretted it since…..
You became a conscientios objector, in the War for civilisation.
Cograts, I know you get great emotional satisfaction from “Declaring your INDEPENDANCE” but all you did was disarm yourself, politically.
“People gripe about the Republican party,…” and I am sure YOU ,”Griped”, but did you do ANYTHING,…ANY ONE THING, to try to CHANGE the Republican party?
Did you ever talk, face to face with your R party precinct captain?
How about your district, county or State party chairs?
Did you attend County or State R party conventions?
No, but now your a Proud “Independant” with absolutely NO political voice.
There is NO “Independant party”, no platform, no State party organisations, NOTHING.
You say you wish PDJT would form a 3rd party, ignoring the Uniparty has insured no 3 rd party to have any political relevance.
Have you noticed TRUMP REMAINS A REPUBLICAN.
IF he were to announce he was leaving the party, like you I would follow him (to the gates of hell and beyond!) but so long as HE remains a REPUBLICAN, I will.
You are NOT a “registered Independant” you are registered as “unaffiliated with ANY political party, and as such you have NO political VOICE; YOU ARE MUTE.
And therefore, moot.
But hey, “Way to go” for getting the emotional satisfaction of saying, and thinking you are “Independent”,…perhaps in the gulag, they will let you put an “I” on your shirt.
You’re missing the point Dutch…no amount of work within the Republican Party is going to change the UniParty. Republican politicians tell you what you want to hear then vote with democrats.
It will if MAGA takes over the parties at the local and state levels.
How is that possible when democrat focus on ballots instead of votes? The political system is driven by corporations pumping more coin and legislation than individuals will ever muster.
Like in Alaska where Murkowski lost two primaries yet was backed by GOP? Or maybe NH or AZ when RNC stayed home? Or maybe VA in 2018 when VA Repub party refused to give the MAGA primary winner (Stewart) any funding?
Forget the dutchman. He sounds like a Limbot. GOP good, dem bad.
Republicans definitely better than the Dems. Always. You don’t see Republicans pushing for the normalization of trannies, voting rights for illegals, and open borders.
Agreed but that’s like saying having leprosy is better than having Ebola. I don’t want either one. Repubs get their power from us. If we are gone so are they. I have a way to tell a Repub pol from a Dem. Dems put party first, self second and to hell with the country. Republicans put self first and to hell with the party AND the country. Apply it and if never fails. Exception to the rule is Trump who put country first always.
that is because they have the democrats do it for them
In truth, all bur rhe rwo major parties are classified as independent, but they are small “i” independent parties that have other names. Look it up. There is a far right American Independent Party but that is not what most who say they have “gone independent” are talking about. In California, those who choose to not register as Republican or Democrat can register No Party Preference.
As Dutchman points out, it dooms one to muteness. Powerlessness.
So remaining Republican gives people a “voice”. Maybe so, but they sure don’t listen to us.
you conservative pundits still don’t get it:
trump isn’t just our candidate. he’s our murder weapon, and the GOP is our victim.
..we good. now?
blogosphere talking head
the R Party was born in 1854. Lincoln elected 1860.
Those of us who have KNOWN for 15-years that this mess is NEVER going to get repaired have called for initiating a New Party and we always get shut down, it can’t work, it’s said. Reminds me of opposition to (Alaska) ANWAR oil drilling, “it’ll be 10 years before we see any oil.” They said that 20 years ago, remember?
If it never starts it’ll never get done, so, NEVER wins – you win, and continue to lose.
if Perot hadn’t gone stir crazy, he would’ve won in 1992 – everyone knows
Not sure he went crazy which I thought happened at the time. Now I wonder if someone he loved was threatened. Look back in time…JFK threatened the swamp, Goldwater wouldn’t play ball, Nixon was never really one of them, RR was the antiestablishment candidate and was nearly killed 2 months into his presidency…Perot, then 24 yrs of Bush, Clinton, Bush establisment governance. 2008 was supposed to be a Clinton again…the plan sidetracked by Obama until the inevitable Bush (Jeb) vs Clinton (Hillary)…until Trump. And then the youknowwhat hit the fan and the Swamp went NUTS and all of them ripped off their masks.
Ron Paul must have been threatened too. He was bringing in huge crowds, then he just…gave up.
His campaign fizzled out.
rumor has it that his daughter was threatened
I loved his charts. Priceless.
Sadly I voted for him both times. Anything but the pubbie.
I was wishing PDJT had started a new party right after 1/20. He had around 81 million in the palm of his hand.
…and with 81 millions voters he could easily collect several billions of $$$$ and start new MAGA PARTY…..but
When I did the very same thing as 4gypsybreeze it was around the same time – but I was more aggrieved.
You see, when Trump ran the 1st time, I was still a CO resident. Don’t ja know, just as I was deciding for whom I would support in the Rep primary, my beloved party took away my opportunity to speak.
Yes, that’s right, the CO R party found some obscure rule that permitted them to shut out the registered CO Republicans by having the state party leaders choose for the entire group of CO Republicans.
My voice was SILENCED.
My American Voice was SILENCED by the republican party.
Matters not anymore about getting involved. It became clear as day that this was not about our portion of the democratic process, it was more about who “the powers that be” wanted to promote. That is all.
While most are angry at the lack of action after 2020 +2022 elections, it is only logical to me because of my experience with the CO Rs.
We don’t count. Being Independent = R or D if you are part of the electorate. Can’t you see this happening live in AZ??? Lake’s numbers should be out of the ballpark, humiliating the one who wouldn’t debate.
We’ll be ludky if Lake is PERMITTED to win.
Promote all you wish about reforming Corruption. Nature’s laws teach us that Corruption/decay has to be torn down/destroyed and newness/goodness erected in its place. Plain and simple.
I still promote the clarity and power of a new political party.
How and why did the republican party start? if you know and understand these facts, then you know why true Republicans want to make a new party. trying to save them party now it’s like funding your enemy.
My hope is the rumour circulating that PDJT will announce, introduce a new Party is one I would endorse.
The Republican Party is not better than Dems.
It just appears that way.
Cheers!
habit is a helluva drug.
The comments here were overwhelmingly for voting GOP no matter who it was… and after the disaster occurred anyway, they blamed people who had the temerity to vote for 3rd parties for the Davosians “winning.”
Either way – if you no longer have trust in the electoral process in this former republic, why would you think that a new, 3rd party would somehow fix that? the fudamentals remain every bit as broken as before… and arguably, their brazen theft can take on even more plausibility and air cover.
Here in Kansas we got a democratic governor because of a 3rd party “true conservative” who was funded by the democrats, siphoned off exactly what was needed from the republican vote to make him lose. And we have fair voting still in KS, this is exactly what polling predicted would happen.
If the computer voting machine algorithms can still change votes, a third party candidate gives the UNiparty even more cover to do so without detection.
If these cheating algorithms are ever removed, the voters need only choose between two candidates. At least then it will be a real choice, not a head fake.
It’s truly amazing how there always seems to be “just enough” 3rd Party or Write-in Votes to give the victory to the Democrat…not sure if it fraud or the idiocy of various stubborn Conservatives whose candidate didn’t make the cut so they write them in instead, just to “prove a point”.
It happened in the Governor’s race here in Washington State in 2020 – there was an absolutely UGLY Primary between two candidates whose supporters hated each other and many refused to vote when “their” guy wasn’t the nominee in the General. The State GOP totally botched the entire election – there was a well respected, qualified candidate, with a very detailed plan, who probably could have defeated Jay Inslee easily, but he wasn’t flashy and the party didn’t get everyone in a room early on tell them to knock off the juvenile in-fighting and coalesce behind him, so he got buried in a pissing match between two people who were never going to win state-wide!
There are definitely issues with our all mail-in voting system but the silliness of allowing emotions to take over, resulting in writing in people with no chance to do anything but hand the race to the Dems cannot be overstated either! It just happened again in the election for our Secretary of State. It was a contest between a highly partisan Democrat and a declared Independent, who has been the Auditor for one of our larger counties for over a decade. She stated that she felt the SOS should be a totally non partisan role so that the voters could have full confidence in the process. But she ended up losing by just over 3% in a race that saw over 4% go to a write-in candidate that the local conservative media was pushing people to vote for in protest because there wasn’t a Republican in the race!
Warning to the status quo crowd. Been voting since 1979 and the GOP has gotten worse every year.
Fool me 26 times, shame on you. Fool me 27 times, shame on me.
I would say the GOP has gotten a lot better. I for one appreciate that the GOP is no longer strangled by Gingrich and Falwell.
Gingrich still has more power than you would think.
A third party as described wouldn’t be a third party per se, it would ne the GOP base leaving the GOP.
The current GOP would become a party without a base of voters.
What do we have to lose? Elections? Been there…done that.
I am 83 years old. I have voted GOP since 1964 (Goldwater..I voted for JFK in 1960) except 1980 when I believed the media lies and voted against Reagan for fear he would start WW3.
In fact I was so deceived by the media and GOP establishment that I worked for John Anderson, the GOP establishment third party candidate trying to do against Reagan what McMullin and Lincoln Project and Cheney Bush tried to do against Trump. So I have seen this movie before. It is an old script.
I went along and voted for the establishment GOP House candidate here in VA. She won but I will bet a dime against a donut she is no friend of MAGA and will vote McCarthy. They own her. I had no intention if voting for her until the Red Tsunami” propagaganda worked against me…we never learn no matter how many times we get burnedm do we.
I have no skin in the game. At 83, I have lived my life.
But I have a good memory and I also know doing the same thing over and over again thinking you will get different results is insanity.
The GOP is dead. Bury the darned corpse and start over with a new party that the Dems and their media will have to start demonizing from scratch.
Absolutely correct. A new party and the loss of their coveted feeding spot at the government pig trough, is what needs to happen. Firing the darn lot of the GOP will let them know that the base has the ultimate power, not they. They serve at our pleasure!
Awesome! The GOP is dead to me.
No skin in the game? No children, grandchildren?
If you voted for 3rd party candidates for the House and Senate then you contributed to the Dems maintaining control. And you are part of the problem.
MAJORITIES ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN INDIVIDUAL CANDIDATES. Do you even understand what the majority parties are able to do that the minority parties can’t do?
So don’t leave the mate who beats you up and cheats on you? Is that what you mean? Sorry, been voting GOP for over half a century and it that time only Reagan and Trump evrn tried to keep their campaign promises. If we follow your advice we get Bush Cheney and frankly I am no longer interested in faux anything.
Exactly. If they are msnufacturing votes, the 3rd party votes are irrelevant. No way would the mecia report more people voted than lived in the state so long as the Dem won
Demure,
A new party that takes the GOP base essentially fires pols like Murkowski who can’t be fired any other way. She has lost two primaries yet with establishment support remains in DC.
<I put my fist in the air and shouted—Enough!>
Shades of Howard Beale 🙂
Until you can convince more Americans, Dems among them, that the our elected officials on the HILL of both parties and many in state politics, are USING OUR TREASURY and THEIR VOTES, which put them in this position, to STEAL from them, maga will be limited to the people who already consider themselves maga.
Don’t forget that emotions usually rule over logic.
Maga and Trump are not one and the same as you and I know, but in the heads of a huge number of our countrymen, they are.
I have also registered as an Independant. Not a single nickel to Repubs ever again!!!!