The old axiom where someone yells, “look over there folks, shiny things“… as a process of distraction, is entirely apropos of how corporations that are running our current election systems are using the Trump -v- DeSantis discussion; with the backdrop of the 2022 midterm election as context.
So, before moving forward to the heart of what we are being distracted from, check out this article from David Solway, he’s correct. Unless and until the critical issue of “votes” -vs- “ballots” is corrected, pushing DeSantis into the war against the administrative state is akin to throwing a decent general into a lost war.
[…] “In a rigged electoral system, no Republican candidate, not even DeSantis, can be expected to win a national election. DeSantis cruised to victory in Florida because, as governor of the state, he had the means and the authority to ensure a clean election. But he would be helpless against a massive crime organization, aka the Democrat Party, which effectively controls the electoral infrastructure, the physical apparatus, the paid loyalty of election workers, and the federal agencies that oversee the process. If the system is not repaired and made answerable to the people, there will never be a Republican president again.” (READ MORE)
The presumption within the article is that DeSantis is not a participating member of the corporate control system, which, despite the eloquence of the article word assembly, I am not quite willing to accept; especially, with our long history of research into how the administrative state operates proactively to control the levers of power.
However, that said…. let us assume that Deep State operatives from the U.S. State Dept and coordinated globalist operations, in combination with multinational corporations and Wall Street financing, are just accidental to the political orbit of the Florida Governor… and if the assumption of altruistic intent is the guiding naiveté I am requested to accept, then the framework of the author’s prediction is entirely accurate.
Either way, until we address the 800lb gorilla in the room of intentional mass distribution of state and federal election ballots, to low agency or non-existent recipients, for early gathering, trying to amass enough ‘votes’ to defeat a large scale and industrial ‘ballot’ gathering operation is futile.
“The main issue is ballot harvesting [legal gathering] and no-excuse universal mail in ballots. Republicans need to spend big cultivating harvesting operations in key districts across the country where it’s legal until they have enough power to outlaw it, along with no-excuse mail ins.”
[…] Remember, a ballot isn’t the same as a vote and the Democrats GOTV machine know this much better than Republicans seem to. Not saying it’s right, but it’s reality and we can’t live in fantasy land. [Tweet Thread]
I certainly agree that if the system is not repaired and made answerable to the people a republican president will never be elected again. No maga candidate for governor can succeed except in perhaps those few states where reasonably honest elections occur.
On the contrary. A Republican candidate can win … as long as that Republican is GOPe and compromised by enormous Establishment donations. In fact, I think they plan on a Republican victory in 2024. TPTB will play on anti-Democrat sentiment after 2 more years of this unprecedented demolition of our country. We will fall for it. They don’t even have to cheat because either way they win.
I have a history of voting anti-establishment starting way back with John Anderson, through Perot, Buchanan, Ron Paul, and I don’t regret those votes. The only vote I regret was Obamas first election which was really an anti-Republican-Bush-era vote, but we got abused again anyway. But that first vote for Obama reflects what I think might happen in 2024, with the parties reversed. They plan on it, it is a no-lose scenario for the Unipary.
Given that RS is leaning toward the establishment, If Trump runs and loses the primary to RS, I will be writing in Donald Trump. If Trump doesn’t run, I’ll write him in anyway. I’m tired of being abused.
John Anderson was the Establishment candidate (GOP) who ran against Reagan the MAGA candidate (though it was not called that then). So you voted establishment. I was there…establishment anti Reagan. I carried a petition to get Anderson on the VA ballot. The rest were anti Establishment.
The theory I had was that DeSantis would go along with the Uniparty foreign policy so that might let him take down the “woke” culture since it doesn’t really seem to be winning anyhow. It’s theoretically illegal in Florida to boycott Israel. That sound like censorship to me. Not Maga.
I’m still not convinced they’ll let him win.
If DeSantis wants to be President, he has four years to prove he’s MAGA, otherwise he can just fade away like Jeb, Scott Walker, Bobby Jindle and the rest of the once promising Governors that people thought would be Presidential.
Meantime its time to either collect ballots or defund the postal service.
DeSantis’ puppeteers aren’t marketing him as MAGA. They’re marketing him as a better alternative to Trump. The PR has ramped up considerably in the past several months, especially after he was re-elected Florida Governor. His PR team is going to push Trump into irrelevance unless we stop it. We need to tell Team DeSantis that we will not vote for him in 2024. He needs our votes, we’ll withhold them, he can’t win. That swiftly disposes of the DeSantis problem.
You are willing to withold votes from De Santis because he is not MAGA yet advise us to vote for Republican establushment candidates who are AntiMaga and vote that way.
Or did I misunderstand?
You assume Governor DeSantis is anti MAGA and you assume that President Trump invented the slogan. That is called intransigence and it is antimonious to politics, I recon. They are both big boys and soon they will see that they can help each other.
Why I said he had four years to prove he was MAGA.
Look there is more risk for DeSantis to run now than there is for Trump. Trump has to make a move now, he’s 76 and not getting any younger, and he still has considerable support with his base.
DeSantis runs the risk of becoming another Jeb or Scott Walker, and you better believe he knows this. The debates and the campaign will publicize every single negative that he has. He’s never run for President before, and the majority of the Republican base knows how the Media and the RINO’s operate.
If DeSantis we’re smart he’d run as VEEP.
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PDJT has issued multiple rebukes of RDS since the election. He has effectively turned himself into sour grapes and a whiner, according to most people I listen to. Reading his Truth Social statements I sense he’s watching his return being usurped by his protege, and he’s preemptively trying to save his comeback. But his timing is terrible… Ron was basking in rare 2022 victory and Trump was carping, and it wasn’t a good, mature look.
I wish he’d just congratulated Ron and kept quiet for a couple of weeks. Optics are what elections run on.
Yes, my tried and true conservative cousin just said the same thing.
MAGA is a very big group of like minded voters, not a Religion. Maybe there is some room for Trump and DeSantis to make adjustments work out their issues so that an even bigger group of voters can harvest their ballots AND win an election.
Who said anything about a Religion?
DeSantis must detach from Ken Griffin and corporatist donors. He’s bought and paid for like Lyin Calgary Ted Cruz.
If you are not a billionaire, you need those big donors. Ken Griffin is very suspect to me after bankrolling Richard Irvin, Democrat mayor of Aurora IL, as a GOP contender for IL Governor.
When reports first emerged that Trump intended to kickstart his presidential campaign in mid-November, those in DeSantis’ circle braced for the possibility of a quick turnaround from the midterm to a presidential primary showdown. Now, several consultants in Florida say DeSantis likely won’t formally jump into the presidential field until after state lawmakers meet for their annual legislative session. That would put DeSantis on a timeline of a May or June announcement.
“Build anticipation,” one longtime Republican fundraiser with knowledge of DeSantis’ operation said. “I think DeSantis controls the time frame. As much as everyone anticipates things and you want to move quickly, he calls the shots now.”
https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/09/politics/ron-desantis-2024-president-trump-florida/index.html
We have to shut this down.
Totally agree. But how?
I was at a birthday party today; I was talking to some people I had never met before today. They asked me where I lived and when I told them they asked if I was proud to have a Delawarean become president. I laughed and asked if you were me, would you? The gentleman said no and asked me what I thought of a President DeSantis. I told him as of right now I would not vote for DeSantis. I asked him the same question He said yes if Trump does not run.
I live in a state whose legislators voted to give our presidential electoral voted to the most popular winner regardless of who actually wins the state. My vote will not matter one bit unless a republican wins the most popular vote and at the rate we are going will never be allowed to happen.
Did you ask the person what he would do if both Trump and DeSantis are running? Because that’s the important question.
If Trump announces a run then we cannot allow DeSantis to run.
Who cares who runs?
Fix the game first
Then the players will sort themselves out
No, I did not. I was not even thinking about it. I was at a birthday party and really did not want to talk politics.
I will not go into a voting booth and vote for just any republican because they are a republican. My entire life until she died, I watched my mother 3 times a month be beat bloody by my father. She chose not to leave him and endured a life of abuse. I will not allow myself to be abused by a political party who every two, four and six years make promises of cleaning up the abusive government and then turn around and secretly laugh at me/us for thinking they were going to do what they said they were going to do.
Ballot harvesting (BH) is not the reason why AZ/NV/PA (among many more, in 2022 and 2020) elections were stolen, if by BH you mean getting as many ballots directly from the voters with the voter intended candidate marked (even if bribed to mark the ballot). This method MAY decide small contests, in local areas. But at the state level (Governor/US Senate/President, etc), BH is not how the Dems steal seats. Now, if you broaden BH definition to include filling ballots for the dead, filling ballots in the name of Republicans with Dems candidates selected, making duplicate ballots for large number of voters with the desire candidate selected (a Dem) and then substituting those ballots for entire precincts actual ballots, then I agree that BH has made a difference–all the above are forms of cheating. If Republicans are willing to cheat like Dems, then they may be able to win contests, except for one thing. Republicans also need to control the election process–from precinct to major counting centers to final count/tabulation/verification/certification. In other words, if you cheat getting illegal ballots you still need to introduce them into the system and have the database changes necessary to support/harmonize with your illegal field activities. The key component that Dems now control in key Fed contests (and many local contests for even longer) is the “counting” process. If you control who counts the votes, it does not matter what Republicans do, their cheating (which I would not endorse) will never be successful at changing anything. Blaming BH for the 2022 (or 2020) results is naive. The reason why Lake is going to lose is because they are cheating: Republican votes replaced with fake votes with the ratio necessary (Dem:Rep) for Hobbs to win. There are not enough real voters in AZ voting for Hobbs–via mail/BH/bribery or whatever method. The only reason Hobbs will win is because the one that counts (her) is cheating by creating fake votes (not real voters by BH). The BH explanation is a ruse, another attempt to try to explain away the cheating going on. So no, Republicans adopting BH will not improve the outcome in an unfair election. Until the counting is made transparent by a legal victory or some other event, the Dems are free to manufacture whatever outcome they desire in most elections in this country. The Dems will not stop until they are made to stop. Reality!
I tend to agree. For instance in 2020, Biden theoretically had 81 M votes and Trump 74 M. There’s no way that 155 M people voted when it’s usually much lower, like 125 M. There were reports of millions of excess votes and those are manufactured using dead and otherwise ineligible voters on bloated voter rolls. Phantom voters.
That, combined with ballot stuffing, vote switching, vote shaving, media propaganda the and myriad of ways they cheat, adds up to a lot. I also don’t recommend that GOP or MAGA participate in the cheating.
Per Martyr Made:
People are calling for the GOP to get with the program, but it’s a system that fundamentally favors urban party machines because it’s easier to ballot harvest from an apartment block than it is driving country roads.
Democrats changed the way we do elections in 2020, giving themselves weeks/months to canvas ghettos, nursing homes, etc squeezing ballots out of extreme low-propensity voters who don’t even know who’s on the ballot. It’s a fundamentally different political decision-making system.
Florida is a *supposedly* purple state where none of this is allowed, and we just saw what happened there. GOP state parties should replicate Florida’s rules everywhere they have power, and do what they can make up the difference in states where they don’t.
Biden didn’t even campaign and got 12m more votes and much better turnout than Obama in 2008. He got 16m more votes than Hillary in ’16, even though Trump increased his vote total by 12m. The idea that this is due to anything but scamming mail-in/harvesting rules is absurd.
Democrats can’t ever allow improvements to election security, because the huge difference in their vote count pre- and post-reforms would beg too many questions. Florida has always been a 51-49 state, but went R+20 once basic election securities measures were put in place.
No. The Democrats did not run their usual perfectly legal GOTV effort. Not the illegal crap, the legal. Turnout was way down from 2018. They did not even try! On purpose……. it was a scam to make DeSantis look even stronger. No other logical explanation!
DeSantis had a 53-54% approval rating going into the election and was polling 54-42 over Crist, 54 being his ceiling based on approval. He got an extra 5-6% because the Dems did not run their GOTV effort. It’s a sham!
Here in Oklahoma we swept Red with impressive wins. Our Governor Stitt was being challenged by Republican turned Democrat Progressive Joy Hoffmeister. Over 50 million dollars from this Soros approved candidate. Hillary even made a commercial saying crime was worse in Oklahoma than other states. She had the support of Native American tribes and teachers union. We were sweating bullets. Stitt and Republicans won overwhelmingly. The only counties she was close was in Tulsa and Oklahoma counties. The rural counties saved us
Ron DeSantis was allowed to win big because he
fits their plan to defeat President Trump.
Are the dominion voting machines with their hack
ready software still in Florida?
I love this pist Samanna
I mean post. I hate my tablet keyboard. We are always carping about nobody ever gets punished, yet WE never punish the people (McConnell, Romney, Graham, Cotton, Murkowski, Collins, Blah, Blah, Blah over whom we DO have some control. We might not be able to kick them out of the house, but we surely can leave ourselvez and take the dog with us.
Based on my analysis, don’t believe the Dems ran their vaunted GOTV effort in Florida!
It doesn’t matter whether DeSantis runs against Trump or he runs with Trump’s blessing. The bottom line is DeSantis is a snake in the grass. He’s trying to fool people into believing he’s a sincere MAGA populist even though there is much evidence to the contrary.
Forget if he destroys the GOP, the party is (probably) on its last legs anyway thanks to years of McConnell/McCarthy-style leadership at the congressional level. What I’m worried about is DeSantis actually becoming President. I believe should that happen he will immediately take the mask off, and govern as the third term of Bush-Cheney. And, if World War III hasn’t already started by then, he may be the guy who starts it.
Six months before the election senate minority leader Mitch McConnell stated that all the new candidates for senate were bad candidates. Then he gave no money from his hundred million dollar fund to those candidates, except at the end to JD Vance, who won. Four months before the election Lindsey Graham stated publicly that if the Republicans won the Senate, he would propose a national law to limit abortion. Everyone here no doubt agrees with that, but a national law is exactly what we don’t agree with. But I believe, Lindsey Graham purposely stated that publicly to arouse the Democrats especially the single women Democrats to go out and vote against the Republicans. He is a very smart politician, and knew exactly what he was doing. The Republicans can never win a national election when they are house dividers. And that is what we are!
Bingo! DeSantis and these scammers were planning this fiasco for quite a while……
“Lindsey Graham purposely stated that publicly to arouse the Democrats especially the single women Democrats”
This, if true, would be the first time Lindsey Graham attempted to arouse single women.
The endgame is to intentionally frustrate you with ballots of any kind and go register and vote online. Election integrity is already lost so why not make it easy and just Vote By Phone. Paper is not Gaia friendly anyway, and so last century.
It’s clear to 90% of us here that we are locked out of the ring. The R and D players are owned people and manipulated to appear elected. The naivety of the 1770’s founding fathers has become our destruction. The honor system does NOT WORK… who counts is who controls. I await the Man of Sin to be revealed any day now. We have to realize we aren’t in Kansas anymore.
I’m so tired of hearing how we “LOST” the midterms in 2022. To say we lost is equivalent to saying Joe Biden is the picture of mental health and Fetterman is one of the greatest orators ever born. This election was not lost. It was stolen. Stop saying it was lost. It just legitimizes their theft. For those who are crowing about our comeback in 2024, I say balderdash! The democrats steal because there is nothing to stop them from stealing. There are no consequences for their stealing. Why shouldn’t they steal in 2024 and every election thereafter until they have managed to destroy our Republic? There is no downside for them. That being the case, why would anyone believe they will magically stop stealing in 2024?
There is no deep state, this is just the US government doing what governments do.
This narrative is simply to keep people believing they have some representation left that doesn’t actually exist.
I agree w/Virginian.
We can forget 2024 if something doesn’t change. Why did the republicans let this happen/speak up if they knew this was going on?? Why, b/c their do nothings. We should have easily had a red wave this time and once again the fix was in. Now we have another brain dead person in the mix. You think he honestly won?? Can’t get over ppl saying we lost b/c of the abortion issue or some dumb other reason. Fix the darn system!!
For reasons known only to them, the GOP controlled, PA state legislature PASSED mail ballots in to law! WTF were they thinking? Unfortunately, the majority of PA legislators are RINOs…
Essentially our situation is like that of Venezuela. Sitting on top of more OIL than Saudi Arabia, yet the people live in squalor since their rulers cannot “lose.”
President John Adams once quipped that there hasn’t been a democracy yet that didn’t commit suicide. He warned us to preserve the “purity” of our elections at all costs. We didn’t listen. Many states have stringent laws which we simply no longer obey. And so we now stand to lose … everything. If we do, it will not come back.
Small note: Saudi Arabia is a monarchy! The Saudi rulers can’t lose, either.
The Saudi rulers would lose if they didn’t spread the wealth around. They are smart enough to do so. Plus they are a one-religion state so they mostly all think alike with no divided loyalties.
Yes, I am afraid it looks like we are done. Using this “270towin(dot)com” 2024 electoral map, starting from 2020 results:
assuming WI, MI and PA elections are gone because ____
and AZ and GA election can be fixed to be accurate.
Any Republican candidate would be at 262. Flip NV to get 268? Where else could he flip? One electoral vote in Nebraska? What is to be done – out cheat them in PA and/or MI?
I am down in Free Florida, soo will work to keep my governor here and use the 10th amendment to it full extent push the feds out.
Ban early voting! Same day voting and same day counting is how it should be. Counting days after an election is open to cheating by the evil dems.
I am tired, it has been a long fight. I have been boots on the ground since the early 80’s and the dike has erupted around me. I fought the good fight for integrity, for truth, for the American Way,,,,,and now,,,,,,God has taken His Hand off of us because we didn’t repent, as a country, of our sins, nay, we doubled and tripled down on them. There will be no Trump2024, there will be no more Republican party. We have lost our chance. BUT, if you are Jesus’ very own, as I am, He will keep you in the palm of His Hand, He will hold you up with His mighty Right Arm, He will give you strength to hold fast even unto death, where you, and I, will obtain the Crown of Life,,,,I will no longer ‘vote’, although my name might be on a ballot cast,,,,but I will remain in prayer
Good to keep the ultimate cause of our lives in the forefront of our consciousness. I grieve for my conservative children and their hard-working, decent children, and for the innocent of our land.
I know it’s not in Trump DNA not to run. Just don’t know how effective he could be? If he wins, he’s a lame duck with maybe his first two years being productive. Maybe.
I truly believe Trump would be better to not run. Still push the Party and never stop pushing out those who do harm.
We had the Tea Party it morphed into MAGA. That’s Trumps Legacy.
“there will never be a Republican president OR CONGRESS again.”
“Elections”, themselves, are now the “shiny things”.
It’s really a throw-back to 19th c elections before the progressives got the Australian ballot mandated in the early 1890s. So the progressives have done a 180 on control of ballots.
Saturday, November 12, 2022
Exposing the Secret Societies of Ron DeSantis
AMDG
What and where?
I’m frankly done with it all.
Until an actual revolution occurs and DC is leveled to the ground; there will be no change in the fraud.
The United States is no more. It is a bloated rotting carcass that the maggot ridden vultures are ravaging.
Balkanized regions of multiple states will result in a power vacuum which will be gladly filled by…..fill in the blank.
FM
McCarthy, McConnell, and McDaniel do not give a flying f*** about any of us. They don’t care that the Dems ran all o er our asses big time. They all need to go away.
clean the voter registration rolls before the election,and then they won’t be sending out ballots to fictional voters,to be collected,filled out,and slipped into drop boxes or delivered late at night or days later to put their candidates over the top.
Florida did this.
I also read where WISC. conservatives closely watched the drop boxes to catch the paid delivery people who drop off handfuls of ballots,go back for more,and do it again and again,while taking pics of them doing it so they get paid. ISTR they also collected hard evidence that “voters” on the list didn’t exist,checked addresses,took pics of the vacant lots and PO boxes,etc.,then broight it to the local election offices and demanded those “vaporvoters” be removed per law. IOW,they made it impossible for the local election offices to punt on it.