President Trump can see and hear the same things everyone else can see and hear, including the coordinated media and GOPe effort to diminish him and the MAGA movement within the Republican club.
The Democrats and professional Republican class both want to see the populist movement destroyed for the same reason Mitch McConnell wanted the Tea Party destroyed in 2010. The assembly of the united middle-class and blue-collar base inside the Republican Party, essentially the broad MAGA movement, represents a Main Street threat to Wall Street control of the GOPe.
There are trillions at stake.
As Florida Governor Ron DeSantis’ megadonor and Citadel hedge fund billionaire, Ken Griffin, openly admitted recently the Wall Street goals are (1) stop the populist movement and (2) get the Republican Party back in alignment with the multinational “corporate world.” These are the same goals of the Republican leadership in Washington DC and the same goals as the corporate media who serve as the public relations firms for Wall Street.
The collaborative group, which includes the entirety of the funding mechanism and management behind Ron DeSantis, viewed the 2022 midterm election as an opportunity to reset the Republican Party away from the populist MAGA influence. The strategy was to roll out of the August DOJ Mar-a-Lago targeting, directly into a nationally rebranded DeSantis operation and then lead up to the 2022 midterm election.
Anything that can cast Donald Trump as a negative would be enhanced, and anything that would cast the MAGA movement as a positive would be diminished. In part, this is the intent behind the delayed positive election results from key MAGA races in CO, WA, NV and AZ, combined with emphasis on the negative -albeit controlled- election ballot outcomes from Michigan and Pennsylvania.
At the 30,000-foot level the attacks against President Trump are, quite frankly, attacks against the MAGA populist movement represented by President Trump.
The professional political class, both DNC and RNC club members, politicians and donors, want to get back to normal political business operations in Washington DC. The key element at the core of their concern is financial and economic control. Again, there are trillions at stake.
Just like we can see this coordinated effort, so too can President Trump see the construct of the narrative as it is being engineered and delivered. We can see the Paul Ryan wing, the Mitch McConnell wing and the corporate media division all working in concert. The entities described genuinely do not think the larger Republican base can see it, but they underestimate us at their own peril.
Things are never going to return to normal for them, but they refuse to accept that. The most adamant of the professional Republican apparatus, in concert with the multinational financial world, would rather see the GOP lose every election – if that’s what it takes to stop the MAGA movement. They view this as a zero-sum game, and they have planted proactive seeds for exactly this purpose.
A more than happy to assist CONservative Inc new media apparatus, the “influencers” as they call them, are part of the dynamic that was recruited in early 2022 {See Here}. It’s the use of this crew and others of like-minded disposition that helps the corporate group drumbeat an anti-populist, anti-MAGA message with the intention to eliminate the head of the movement.
In addition to their common vertical challenges, the DeSantis 2024 influence group are almost identical to the Cruz 2016 group. The difference this time around is the pretending game; where they pretend DeSantis is not the intended beneficiary of their relentless anti-Trumpism in both print and broadcast appearances.
The group was recruited in January 2022 and includes Fox News’ Lisa Marie Boothe, Turning Point USA’s Benny Johnson, Newsweek opinion editor Josh Hammer, The Rubin Report’s Dave Rubin, New York Post and FoxNews.com columnist Karol Markowicz, Claremont Institute fellow David Reaboi and conservative writers like Jordan Schachtel, John Cardillo, along with Ben Shapiro and Guy Benson.
Florida Governor Ron DeSantis has been positioned as the intended recipient for the disenfranchised MAGA movement’s support, if they can just get President Trump out of the equation and exploit the vulnerability in his absence. However, all previous efforts to shake the bond between President Trump and the MAGA movement have failed.
Using the 2022 midterm election control, they are pounding the wedge harder now, with increased ferocity and urgency to break the bond.
Just like in 2016, the GOPe multinationals, corporatists, Wall Street donors, Never Trump CONservatives, and just about all controlled media systems are being enlisted in this effort. President Trump can see the construct just as clearly as you can.
That’s why President Trump is hitting back against the effort by singling out the wedge they are trying to use.
President Trump isn’t pretending. He’s targeting Florida Governor Ron DeSantis because President Trump, like us, can clearly see the nature of the construct that has been manufactured to oppose the MAGA movement. This is a fight for the future of the Republican party.
DeSantis is playing too-cute-by-half, in pretending not to be a participant in the professional republican operation. If Governor Ron DeSantis was not an active participant, he would not be playing coy with his 2024 GOP nomination intent. Trump isn’t going to play pretend. As long as DeSantis pretends, he will be targeted by President Trump because Trump isn’t going to allow the professional republican apparatus to destroy the populist movement.
Let Con Inc go and form a new party now of acceptable republicans. Let the people of selfie-importance assemble to take pictures of their lunches and dinners for social media shares, while the scruffnecks in MAGA assemble to push back against the new American corporatist agenda that finances them.
The new republican party is the working-class people’s party, the MAGA party, and President Donald J Trump is going to defend it.
Steadfast…. This is “The Big Ugly“!
Notice how the democrats didn’t steal any votes in Florida? They wanted DeSantis et al to win because he is the only possible “Trump Stopper” out there. The RINOs and Dems got together on Florida to make RD look good
The “ strings” perhaps ?
Plus had the narrative -Ron the successor / the savior narrative – all locked and loaded and ready to go on Wednesday morning …. Hmmm
I think that we should simply accept that in our country right now we have only one political party: “the UniParty.™” And it does not give a damn about us. Many people can be led around by a ring in their nose – as long as that ring is made of gold.
We are presented today with “one coin.” One side is painted Red, the other Blue, but it is “one coin.” Any difference between the two is an illusion. As George Orwell put it, “the purpose of money is money, and the purpose of power is power.” If, in the pursuit of money and power for yourself, you lay waste to a nation, that’s just collateral damage.
I’m glad he said it, it NEEDED to be said.
Agree the Big Ugly, just hope a number of “normal conservatives” don’t fall for this. Normal being people who don’t pay attention everyday but just vote R. Like a lot of my family members.
I think Tulsi Gabbard will be used by the RNC to help support DeSantis. She is one of Klaus’ kids and will be a useful pawn to help the Uniparty undermine the MAGA movement.
I kinda liked her too, that’s sad. No I didn’t agree with many of her stances but some I did. I found her to have integrity in a time when so many lack it in WA.
and if she can fake integrity, she can fake anything.
I liked her too until her mask fell off. Now I dislike her.
I liked Santimonious until his mask fell off. Now I dislike him (off the FL stage).
It’s an act.
She is a card carrying Marxist. Just go back and look at her platform when she was elected to Congress.
Indeed.
Tulsi Gabbard needs to be directed to read this article. She will be committing political suicide if she allows herself to be lured into that doomed cabal of Globalist anti MAGA Never Trumpers.
She seems bright and appears to have discernment abilities. Let’s pray she sees the light.
They are desperate to be liked, they are willing to take that gamble. Just like John McCain did….and lost.
That’s right GB, suicide.
Tulsi will need show her bona fides.
Ehh I disagree she’ll be rich and as usual we won’t matter.
Gabbard brings little to the table, not even votes.
She could bring a lot if she wakes up to the reality of MAGA.
I have never, ever trusted Tulsi Gabbard; I know her “kind”.
It never ends well.
PDJT needs discipline right now, he should know that those others gang up to goad him into even more unfavorable territory.
He still should fire back, but not at DeSantis himself. Concentrate his MAGA message against sell-out Ryan/McConnell/other GOP milquetoasts esp. in the leadership position.
Let others in the conservative circle dig into DeSantis’ financial backers and GOPe ties. It should not come from president Trump, and esp. not personal attack directed at Ron DeSantis. Like it or not, Ron DeSantis is the current flavor of the day, personal attack on him won’t win anybody over, and a very high risk of losing more of the ‘former Trump supporters’.
Agreed! He should fire back, and even fire first if needed. But the name calling needs to stop. It worked in 2015/2016, but today just turns off people we need. It no longer serves a useful purpose. He needs to be more disciplined in his approach.
I find it so funny that those that dont like the “name calling” have ZERO problem letting the F word fly out of their mouths with regularity…..just my observations
Doesn’t fly out of my mouth regularly. Also, cursing and petty name calling are two different things, and I don’t like either one.
Actually, I was fine with the petty name calling in 2015/2016 when it worked. It just doesn’t work anymore.
Depends on who you are. I think it’s funny as do my friends.
“doesn’t work” for you maybe but for me he just returns fire when he gets hit… I’m for Trump precisely because he fights back…💪🇺🇸
GO TRUMP👍
🇺🇸💪😀👍
“Fights” is exactly who we need at this time…..It is all or nothing. RD is not going to fight the establishment. He joined in the WEF…as such. he is a hand picked puppet. Just look back at his votes while in DC. Hope Trump hangs that around his neck.
And……how do you know it doesn’t work?
Any fight that persist between Trump and DeSantis will dirty them both-a win for the corrupt corporatists and evil Marxist Democrats. Trump can’t bend without MAGA losing and DeSantis can’t win without MAGA losing. DeSantis- like McCain before him- will be favored by the media until the contest is between him & the Democrat. DeSantis needs to put his ego aside.
B.S.
He’s not name calling – he’s labeling and it’s a good tactic. Rondesantimonious is perfect. The fact that he allowed himself to be purchased by the likes of ken griffin should tell you that ronnie is not on our side. He’s pretending to be – we can call him transmaga ron.
He, DeSanctimonious, is who he is because of that media ad where in he is calling himself Gods choice to be President, over and over again.
It was the same with cruz.
It was a blasphemous ad, and sanctimonious. He deserves the label.
I think each time the President uses that term he should explain it so more ppl understand how and why it came about.
I also think the Pres should let ppl know where desactimonious’ war chest came from and how large it is.
We see what you are doing Ron, we are not fooled and we are not stupid. Unlike David of the Bible, you should have waited to be King. You have been stroked and manipulated by evil voices that will be your down fall.
I trust his instincts on how quickly to ramp up…. Just imo, we need to clip DeSantis’ wings a little at a time, starting now. Don’t let Wall Street get too much momentum.
Yes Doug, PTrump does need to explain that ad.
Many people missed it. Just yesterday I explained it to a good Christian lady who was asking me what I thought about RDS.
When I told her about that sanctimonious ad. She became very upset at RDS and plans to pay more attention to him and those who are pushing for him.
Everyone keeps talking about this ad. I need to see it, because it must have been something. Did he actually put that out there? With a spiritual connection? Yikes. That is so over the top. I heard people say this about Trump and it made me feel uneasy years back, but thankfully Trump never embraced it. I really need to see this ad, because it must be something else.
Yeah, not so much Ron Desanctimonious. You needed to be patient, instead you jumped in feet first at the behest of evil money and power. God say’s my thoughts and plans are above your plans.
Trump has be in the furnace and refined and you presume to take his place as Gods tool?
Not going to happen. Not even on the eight day of creation. Shame on this blasphemous political ad clearly written by someone who does not know God.
Oh, man. Thanks for the link. This is a whole lot more troubling than I thought.
Not just labeling. Destroying the Brand
Little Marco
Low Energy Jeb
Lyin’ Ted
there is some not-so-subtle negative advertising in those names.
“No longer serves a useful purpose” ? You know that for a fact?
IMO he should fire back with the ferocity of a double barrel shotgun… They’ve come after him for years – no holds barred!
Sorry but I’m really pissed and at my age I may not get to see how this plays out in the end. But I leave behind kids, grand kids, and one *great* grand kid. I understand the New Yorker, DJT – lived most of my life there. He will NOT give in!!
Agree!!
Where are his people from his team to go on offense for him? Trump can let them take shots against Con Inc. cretins because there’s many more that are testing the waters right now. Dana Loesch is one and Mark Levin is definitely going to side with DeSantis over Donald Trump. These are big voices in media on the right and they need to be called out and ridiculed as backstabbers.
They are all in on CON INC. …. get it?
I’ve always thought Loesch is a lefty that pretends to be a conservative for money. Her history at Breitbart before it went bad and with Michelle Malkin always showed her to be a backstabber at the very least.
I don’t know who these people (“his people from his team to go on offense for him”) will be. And it is disheartening to know that Mark Levin is fully on board the DeSantis train.
I don’t know for certain how DeSantis will turn out, either he’s still 100% MAGA or he’s been bought by the GOPe, only time will tell in the next couple of years. I am still hoping that DeSantis make the right decision.
Time has already told us who Ron is. Has he even done a tweet, press conference saying that he stands with MAGA and Trump since he won his election ?
God gives every person a choice.
Time will tell.
So does President Trump.
The choice is Ron’s to make.
Choose wisely.
No but he and Casey certainly use MAGA if they think it suits their needs.
Someone on this site yesterday posted an RDS ad that had their baby in a MAGA t shirt and one of them in a MAGA hat. It’s disgusting.
He voted for TPP.
Think about that.
He voted to give our jobs away while in Congress.
RDS is an imposter to the MAGA movement.
The wife is a big phony too. She was a local TV news person – meaning there’s a 90% chance she votes/voted Democrat.
Great point.
“he’s still 100% MAGA”
Uniparty Ron is not MAGA.
Levin was NeverTrump until it started to affect his revenue. He also worked in the DOJ and used to defend their crap.
The “reformed” never Trumpers are just reverting back to their natural State, it’s who they have always been.
Has Glen Beck leaped onto the pathetic SadSack wagon yet?
Idea!! Why don’t you give President Trump a call and explain to him what your thoughts are! Or better yet run for President .
I get it (your sarcasm), and you don’t like the not-fighting Trump.
I want PDJT continue to fight for MAGA, too. However, first thing first, people like you will solidly stand by him, but president Trump needs to stop the bleeding of his base being turned off by the not-so-effective personal attacks now.
At this rate, Ron DeSantis doesn’t even have to open his mouth or do anything, he’ll gain lots of support simply because he’s the default alternative.
There is no bleeding of the base being turned off.
Actually you’re wrong
Who says Trump’s base is being turned off?
Have you seen the snapshots of the attendance at all the rallies?
The hangers-on crowd, people like Mark Levin ( who has anger issues IMO) are looking for future paydays. Money talks and b******t walks.
You are doing exactly what the GOPe. Media, Dems want you to do and say. Sheep much!
Totally agree I am a hugh Trump supporter and many people that I know are saying the same thing. Personal attacks will only drive people away. President Trump talks about no class in DeSantis, but attacking Him and His wife is classless . Stick to the issues . I do not think that the American people can take the fake news Brutal attack on President Trump for another 6 yrs. Do not give theme more ammunition for their ruthless attacks.
No. You can’t fight “ruthless attacks” with flowers, puppy dogs and kind words.
Focusing on his multiple targets, forget about attack DeSantis right now, I know Treepers here don’t like to hear it. Focus his fight is not the same as soft flowers, puppy and kind words.
I agree.
The bigger problem is that “the base” itself is an ambiguous concept.
The only declarative in Sundance’s post that holds absolute truth with long-run import (for me) is “The new republican party is the working-class people’s party, the MAGA party, and President Donald J Trump is going to defend it.”
The real dynamic that is in play, has been in play, for decades is class warfare; specifically, the power structure’s efforts to annihilate the working class/middle class. In many respects, it’s a classic Marxist/post-modernist priority – eliminate the independent individualist as a viable political force.
PDJT decided from the beginning that the best path forward was to usurp the Republican Party rather than build a new, separate one. This establishes an easy vulnerability for Democrats to exploit: inflame the natural divisions/resistance between those who hold power and those who want to replace them. From where I sit, that strategy is working. For the players ensnared it’s a damned if you do, damned if you don’t choice.
There seems, to me, to be some definitional confusion (or if you prefer, conflation) that lends itself to missteps:
is MAGA identical to the working/middle class?
is MAGA identical to the Republican Party?
is MAGA a creation of PDJT or is it a construct that exists independent of PDJT (i.e., were he to disappear tomorrow, would MAGA persist = would the working class still persist; would the war continue)?
The working/middle class is being crushed. That’s the whole thrust of what the power structure is engineering. The numbers aren’t there. Key components of the middle/working class are numerically declining – specifically white, “non-educated” (a term the power structure uses; e.g., HRC, MSM, the View, etc., etc.) males and females. That’s what all the cultural/societal chaos, institutional destruction, economic calamity, drug addiction, family assault, etc., is intended to achieve. Hence, my point vis the requirement for alliances at the edges – one can disagree with this view based on zero sum politics or other framework , that’s fine. But numbers are numbers. My admonition is to not get lost in the tactical skirmishes. Chose wisely; don’t burn political capital at the drop of every insult. This is all about preserving and growing the power of the working class – overtaking the Republican Party is a consequence of the strategy adopted, not a necessity, not the core driver.
Sundance is correct when he cautions that the working class produces the real “stuff” society needs. The response, sadly, is that the power structure doesn’t care.
So what’s really going on here? What are fundamental forces in play? What are the smart moves to make? What is the best path moving forward to success?
You forgot the main idea behind MAGA……American loving Patriots who want to save our country from destruction…..That encompasses many from all economic circumstances. His base is America First, and it is the majority.
Then we can all sit home in 2024 and laugh when DeSantis and his social climbing wife lose nicely like Mitt and Ann so happily did.
Ron can’t win the swing states or the blue wall. Unfortunately Trump will need to address the ballot issue verses votes cast, or he won’t “win” the needed states…Its gonna have to make it to the SCOTUS I am afraid.
You obviously haven’t been on the Trump train for long….This is his modus operandi. since the very beginning.
Calling out the current flavor of the day is essential. You don’t play nice with tyrants, and that is exactly what we are up against.
WRONG
This is the GOP primary right now.
DeSantis is “Bought and Paid For.”
Your just don’t be mean garbage places you right in sync with voting for GOP elite corruption.
Then you will complain when you get the shiv in the back later. Battered Conservative Syndrome much?
DeSantis is NOT on your side. In fact he is laughing in your face, BIGLY.
There are trillions of dollars at stake. It is Main St vs Wall St.
Where are your powers of discernment? Start using your critical thinking skills. The GOP elites are telling you to get back in line.
Yes, I do see the link between the GOPe handling DeSantis career and his huge $$$$$ money donors. My other posts in previous days said “once you’ve seen it, it can not be unseen.”
As I stated in my original opinion @8:50 am, Trump’s fight should be focused on “sell-out Ryan/McConnell/other GOP milquetoasts esp. in the leadership position.”
Trump’s message in the past few days have been off the trail, wandering into personal attack territory. I understand it is Trump’s personality, but that is not winning him any favor now. We are talking about general public who are inclined to vote Republicans, but don’t have the background knowledge of why DeSantis getting so much support from conservative circle and Republican establishment right now.
“Trumps fight should be focused on sell-out Ryan/McConnell”….You don’t get it…that is exactly who Trump is focused on…..They are the very ones who are behind DeSantis…by labeling DeSantis, calling out the what and who that are behind him, is spot on.
Why aren’t you running President Trumps messaging team? Maybe you forgot why he won in 2016, after a year of “name calling” and “nasty” (🤣🤣) tweets.
Pro-MAGA Deplorables are THRILLED to have a gutsy, Street brawler like Donald Trump punching back to defend us and real American values.
America wasn’t founded or built by by tea-sipping upper crust gentrified aristocrats with their fake politeness and fraudulent feminine courtesies. We are the peasants who build and operate the grimy machinery that keeps the nation running and never lets the lights go completely dark.
We call a traitor a “TRAITOR” and a jackass a “JACKASS.” Those who have fragile sensibilities can step behind us if they’re afraid. Someone with testicular fortitude (“cajones”) has to lead the way. President Trump is now that person. Despite his age, he shows no loss of mental strength nor sense of purpose.
DeSanctimonious is too weak to lead so he runs behind the $hield of the Establishment Uniparty RINOs. That’s a LOSER decision.
Lead, follow, or get out of the way. No compromise with the enemies of America will work.
Well SAID GB Bari, Thank YOU!
Said like a true Deplorable…..
It’s kinda like the clot shots…..there were 30% anti clot shot….40% go with the flo…follow along sheep….30% Big govt. lost cause. We have to convince the 40% to see the truth. 2016 2020 they did. We are going to have to do the same 2024 plus address the ballot issue. We can’t have the terrible leadership in DC and get her done this go round.
Wanting to be liked and important-Rubio once joined the ‘Gang of Eight.’ That didn’t work out so well for him.
Haven’t figured it out ….Yet…..But I trust Trump instincts. Believe there is a reason why and in the timing….he is going after RD right now. Off the top of my head….Iam thinking Trump is not going to let them (all) set the narrative , (Trump is more trouble than worth, loser, MAGA failing, RON is the guy (god). My Opinion bout RD….like I have said earlier…he did nothing that wasn’t expected of any Governor who puts his state first. But yet he got all the Media attention over other Governors who did the same. Ron is the equivalent of a frosted box cake.
“Once you see it, you can’t unsee it”
Ever since Sundance pointed out that the Republican machine was grooming (and funding) DeSantis as the acceptable replacement, I started to see it myself, and I expected this outcry for DeSantis as soon as the midterm results looked bad (because it was stolen, of course). I even wondered if DeSantis was possibly awarded a few extra points (with the voting manipulation) to make him look even more powerful. Of course, his massive win is totally conceivable as 100% legitimate. But my point is it’s not just the Democrats, it’s an entire political/media/corporate machine working against President Trump. And the Republican machine is totally onboard with The Steal. That’s very obvious.
I hope Trump is just holding off until all the results are in. When they are, I hope he triples down on election theft. He should now switch gears in his rallies, and make them educational regarding the theft, with giant charts and analysis. He should point out how the Republican machine is fighting against many of the MAGA candidates. His supporters, which is the majority of all VOTERS across the country, will loyally back this approach because they understand it’s true.
I’m sure the number of people who believe that election fraud is manipulating the results has only increased after these midterms.
People who attend Trump rallies don’t need to be educated as to the election theft. And it’s too late to replay all the arguments, valid as they are, that he won in 2020.
The goal should be to convince the swing voters to get behind him.
Ya think?!
It gets harder each day to determine who the real disinformation trollers/peddlers are….or…at the very least….who thinks in terms of cliches.
Not directed at you!!!!!
I think the point that he is trying to make is that we are fighting the GOPe who were trying to destroy MAGA and allowed the cheat in 2022. That they did not want a big win from MAGA.
My twin brother and I have been debating this DeSantes or Trump topic for months. We are both Trump supporters, but my bro has been leaning De Santis lately on the topic of 2024 presidential run. I have been steadfastly saying that it has to be Trump. For me personally, the biggest reason is that the Crossfire Hurricane political weaponization of the FBI and all the criminal activities in the witch-hunt that took place 2016-2020 represent such a huge threat to our democratic republic that it absolutely must be pulled out root and branch. People need to be prosecuted and go to jail. Agencies need to be purged or even dismantled ( FBI). The Justice department, the FISA courts need to be held accountable. There is nobody better to do this than Donald Trump. Nobody else is going to have the flaming righteous resolve to take that on other than him. Anybody else, DeSantis included, will just let the whole thing be water under the bridge and move on. We can’t move on from that cabal of treasonous deep-staters did to a duly elected President.
Other Republicans as POTUS, especially Desantis will surely make some changes and improvements (improvements when contrasted to the utter Sh_t show that is the Biden administration), but none of them will take on the FBI / intel / deepstate community for true accountability and justice. This is the main fact why I have been saying it has to be Trump. Other Republicans, even Rinos, can improve the economy, fix energy policy and make progress on the kitchen-table conservative agenda. But nobody but Trump has the will and motivation to initiate and win the fight with FBI / DOJ / Clinton and her campaign minions.
My brother has dumped a bucket of cold water on me the past few days and I fear he has some valid points. The vast majority of people in the US, even many Republicans are very uninformed about what I mentioned above. And because they are uninformed, they are are also uninterested. Most are concerned about the economy, gas prices, inflation, crime and also the hot-button social topics like CRT, wokeness in the military, and transgenderism in all its forms, drag-queen story hour etc etc. He also pointed out that Trump is not helping himself these days. The “De Sanctimonious” thing pissed off a lot of conservatives. It was unneccesary, makes him look petulant and pathetic. People love Trumps policies and the great results he brought despite being attacked non-stop on all fronts for 4 years. But it is also true that many people do indeed roll thier eyes and sigh with dismay when Trump comes out with these petty nick-names, or does speeches on a certain topic but always brings it back to how awesome he is. I think it is a NYC / Queens thing that is so ingrained in him. Many find that style to be repellant. I personally dont care about the style thing. I like results. But I also live in the real world and realize this personality style thing matters to a LOT of people. A lot of people vote more on their emotions or feelings about a person than on the hard facts. Sad, but true. Even my dear sweet wife who shares all of our conservative values does not like Trump. We can’t even talk about Trump without her going into a froth about how she thinks he is a pompous narcissistic A-hole….but yet she will admit things were better under him. She just can’t get past his personality. It just blinds her. And I fear that there are many people, especially the nominally conservative, yet uninformed masses (and forgive me, but I have to say it : women) who cant stand Trump. They will vote De Santis.
I do not see the next 2 years going well for Trump. I fear he will spiral downwards in a self-inflicted maelstrom of petty unnecessary fights of his own provoking. Trump is going to render himself unelectable to the uninformed masses.
If DeSantes actually decides to run and enter the fight cage – well then at that point in time the gloves come off and i’s on like donkey kong. But until that happens, Trump needs to stick to the high road, be relaxed, easy, joyful, positive to all fellow republicans ( except for the ones who openly and explicitly attack him…and De Santis has not done that). In public he should direct his wrath at Democrats and the radical left. He should hold his fire on DeSantis and anybody else (Republican)until the true primaries are upon us.
Trump is the best hope for truely saving this republic, but he is his own worst enemy. If he wrecks himself and self-destructs over the next 2 years, we will have no choice but to back DeSantis, because another Democrat president in 2024 will be the ruin of this country
Give it a break.
this is a ‘let’s move on from Trump’ troll.
Lots of them blabbering on here this morning.
Like grandpa’s bad gas, just hold your nose a while and the smell will eventually waft out of the room.
Not even a good one.
pitiful.
No, this is a realist who doesn’t live in an echo chamber bubble and talks to a lot of people and reads a ton of stuff from a wide range of sources.
Notice that you can’t refute what I say, just call me a troll. Sad.
Uniparty Ron will lose bigly, count on it.
Unfortunately, so will MAGA.
It has more than its fair share of intolerant windbags.
I don’t know if PDJT is the right vehicle or not. I supported DeSantis a few months ago but have moved him into the “not so sure about this guy” category.
I do know this – and I absolutely do not care what the excuse factory has to say – PDJT accomplished some good things during his Presidency, but none of the core objectives most of us held; specifically, cleaning house, locking her up, pardoning (in advance) Jan 6 patriots left to rot in jail. I’ll likely vote for him again, but this time conditioned on the wisdom that he did not do what I voted for the last two times around. There are many of us who have no interest in the idolatry component of all of this: what we expect are results. On what grounds should we expect any different the next time around and why hasn’t a support team with identified allies guaranteed to carry forth the battle been built?
You all can “cover his back”. I saw the same thing with hard core Obama troops; I have done so myself in other milieus such as the WSJ. But you aren’t the only ones with a stake; you aren’t the only ones out in local communities; you aren’t the only ones who vote; you aren’t the only ones who served this country.
Wise the eff up. Sure…lead. But do so smartly.
😂😂. I guess that is why hundreds of millions worldwide admire and respect President Trump as much as we do.
We have a choice – voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil. I’d put forth that voting for George W caused just as much if not more damage than letting Gore win would have.
Add to that, DeSantis can only ‘win’ the Whitehouse if they cheat for him. VA and CO are mostly if not permanently blue so he would need MI and WI or PA or MN and NH and WI to ‘win.’ He will not have the votes in those states.
On the Bush / Gore thing you could be right.
On DeSantis winning in 2024, who knows. If the ballot fraud thing in these swing states PA / WI/ GA/ MI/ AZ isn’t stopped, Trump won’t win either.
Most of Trumps perceived bad image for pompous or name calling etc is from mainstream media bs on there coverage of him and his campaigns for the last 8+ years. That is what normies or uninformed simply form their opinions on. Take a single mainstream news coverage of a Trump debate/speech – and then go look and watch the actual live recording (and not just those two words etc). For fun, watch a spontaneous chopper presser.
Be a “man” (sorry) . Educate your wife and family and turn off the fake news.
I am very much a man, Jim, thanks for your petty insult. I have educated my wife on this for years. You completely miss my point, and that is that for people who make decisions based on emotional
perception, no amount of facts will change their minds. Sadly there are very many such people in this country.
Trump should know more than anybody that your golf game will suck if you are in an angry mood. Have you ever seen a golfer loose their cool on a bad shot, and instead of re-gaining their composure they completely unravel and the rest of the game goes badly?
You are correct about the false media framing. The infamous deliberate miss-quoting of Trump’s comments on the Charlottesville events are but one of hundreds of examples
Geez …you most be walking on eggshells all these married years. I am a woman and Trump doesn’t offend me in the least. But of course I am from the South and we like alpha males. Tell your sensitive wife that her vote affects your whole family and to plz stay home on vote day if she can’t put her family first or the country. It’s an argument that is worth having.
Not sure where you’re getting that trump is in an angry mood. Did Fake News say that? As you note, you will never change some people’s minds. And you can never make everyone happy, especially when we’re talking about millions upon millions of people. If Trump changed and pretended he was something he was not, then he’d lose his core supporters. Trump knows all this. He is who he is. You don’t have to like it.
The good news is that eventually you’ll have a choice, either Trump or DeSantis in the primary. Then you’ll have another choice, Trump or Biden/Kamala/Some other criminal in the general. Everyone will have to decide for themselves who they will vote for. Its an easy choice for me. It probably will be for you too when the time comes. No need to worry about it now.
DeSantis-2024 is a huge account on Trump Social run by some dork Berman probably on DeSantis’ payroll.
Treepers get over there and give this DeSantis troll hell. He is posting polls Trump vs DeSantis.
NOTICE: DeSanctimonius doesn’t have an account on Trump Social.
Thanks for the heads up. It’s now my mission to combat that account.
Can we all now make a vow to starve the Corporations of all revenue? I’m aware that it’s not 100% possible, but surely we can do them significant damage. Wherever you are in this world, starve the Beast.
Here comes the unpopular commentary. I only ask you read and understand my POV before reacting.
Trump decides to go scorched earth on DeSantis. I knew it would come, but such a waste. Frankly it pisses me off, because it’s the part of him that I’ve never liked. It’s the part of him that non-conservatives get tired of. Independents polled rejected MAGA candidates by a disproportionate amount. Do they dislike MAGA? Most really dislike Trump.
For these reasons, and because Trump will be embroiled in charges and trials from early 2023 through the election season, I wanted him to be the proponent of MAGA while helping us move on to a new leader for 2024. Trump has been branded by the cabal’s scarlet letter, is radioactive to the broader group of mild Republicans and independents who are necessary to win in a cheat world.
But Trump, for all his great qualities, is a failed human like all of us. His hubris, some would say narcissism, will not allow anyone within his orbit who might be a threat to his ambitions. It also will not allow him to make strategic decisions related to the greater good…when it is relevant to his own desires.
This is why his vomiting statements on DeSantis are so putrid. He will scorch the earth, salt the fields, do anything to win…even if it destroys any hope of recapturing the Presidency.
Most here will not agree. I get it. But answer me this. With a brain dead unpopular Biteme as President, horrible economy and leftist extreme policies running rampant, the R’s still couldn’t create the massive wave needed to upend all this. Will a polarizing figure like Donald Trump bring MORE votes into the fold, in this environment, than a conservative who has broader appeal to a broader audience of voters? I say that answer is no, even if it galls us all to accept that.
I’m all for having this play out in the primary season, but trying to destroy opponents via the old playbook may not be a good idea. Trump started very early with the bomb dropping. I’m not so sure it will help him this time. Read comments in a variety of websites, publications, etc. People are TIRED of this stuff. Even if they like Trump, and voted for him, many are TIRED of his grinding, his pugnacity, his grandiose self importance.
Here I read a lot of comments where folks declare DeSantis is crap, a globalist, or similar. They say it’s Trump or NOBODY. Well, absent a very serious rebellion, we can only elect ourselves out of this hell hole. We’re all gonna have to eat parts of the s**t sandwich if we want an R as President. If we don’t the Dims will have a new guy in place…younger, more persuasive, sort of like the picture I had of the anti-Christ. Newsome will be the leftist nominee…mark my words. He will have the complete love of the left, and sing pretty words to those independents and mushy middlers needed to win. And those middle road wankers will reject a bombastic Trump hard. Sorry…that’s my opinion and a hard one to stomach.
You left out an important element. The Uniparty and MSM LOVE DeSantis now, but if he becomes the nominee, they will do everything they can to destroy him. I like DeSantis as Governor, but I don’t trust the money funding him to represent MAGA interests. If we don’t fix election fraud, we’re all screwed anyway.
Truth!
REST ASSURED – RDS WILL get the Trump treatment but good…..As light in the loafers PLOUFFE said of Trump “his kind must NEVER be allowed to rise again”…..
Exactly correct. Besides it not being Desanctimonious’ turn, we all know the last election was stolen from Trump, that he was back stabbed by nearly every single person in his inner circle and cabinet. That our country is being run by a fourth branch not legal in any sense.
NOBODY knows this better than Trump, he is owed the right to get his shot at fixing this nation.
WE OWE IT TO HIM, period!
That is exactly why he can’t win in 2024. Too many people oppose, or don’t like him more now than 2020, even with the cheat. The Republican nominee will have to gain so many more votes to overtake the cheat. I don’t see Trump doing that.
Can you not go to the 30000 foot level? “Too many people oppose” In 2016, 2020, and no doubt 2024 will oppose him….That is “their ” job to make it look that way…Just like they tell us this is a 50/50 country. We all know that is BS.
Hate to give you a wake up call but we did have a red wave. It was watered down by the ballot fraud and that is on us. We knew in our hearts they were going to cheat the needed amount and they did. We have to do something about the mail out /in/ballots.
The repubicon establishment was happy to stand back and watch. They wouldn’t fight or help fund MAGA candidates and I think they would have won anyway. Why do the Dems always get their way…..while we sit back and accept. Everyone should demand audits and challenge the machines in court. And Damn it…stop giving the RNC money. Fund billboards across this nation to inform the low info. There are all kinds of things we can do.
DeSantis is in no way a replacement for Trumps knowledge of how to fix the economy. DeSantis showed this when he voted TPP. He does not have the gravitas to stand toe to toe with dictators. He would have never gone against UN, NATO, WHO because thats not what the establishment wants.
There is NO amount of cast votes that will overcome millions of mailed out ballots that are fraudulently filled out. It will take a leader to move the electorate to demand no more mail ballots. I have watched DeSantis give a speech and in no way is he talented enough to hold peoples attention much less motivate them.
I will end by saying…Brother you need to wake up.
This is where I depart the pattern.
No one is owed a **** thing. PDJT said it himself: the only thing that matters is winning. The politicians, every single last one of them, work at our pleasure. We do not serve them.
Agree.
Your give away “ his vomiting statements…” nice imagery , way to stay elevated – you undercut it all with that.. moving. on …
CTH has definitely been invaded. Ignore them & they’ll eventually move on.
I’m not “invading”. I’ve been here for some time, and I’m a strong conservative. Ignore our opinions if you wish, but rest assured I’m not a troll or plant. I greatly respect Sundance and this community. I just see thing more realistically than some. Again, ideally the nation would be fuming at this leftist takeover and trashing of our country..enabling President Trump to return in a sunami of votes begging him to return MAGA. Midterm results didn’t reflect that. It was a “shooting fish in a barrel” opportunity and the radicals still held a lot of ground.
Maybe if PDJT didn’t “vomit” ( maybe the new substitute for Tweet?) so much we would have done better ….
“Mid term results” imply there was zero interference in the election and/ or the results we are seeing. There are ongoing allegations that need to be investigated to determine that fact.
You are falling victim to the dispiriting campaign on msm that is in overdrive….pity….. and YES MIDTERM results DO REFLECT WINNING…..
I recognize your name here. So… bluntly.
Majority of people, especially middle/working class are seething. And yes, this is the people who get stuff done.
Realistically, due to the fraud and propaganda – we can’t say that the Mid terms didn’t reflect the voters.
Catch up.
I will also add that PDJT was the best president that America ever had and even as he faced huge imbedded obstacles within his terms – he managed to do great things for every sector of our people AND for other countries.
There is no other person who any “strong conservative” should be showing 100% for in 2024.
I support your pov. But, diction does matter. I have dropped that ball a couple times myself. It’s the nature of the beast. It provides an easy target.
Keep posting. Don’t stand down. Maintain self-discipline.
You vote for DeSantis in the primary…..they just may be lucky enough to knock Trump out so that the 3rd, 4th, 5th, candidate …whichever “their” candidate is wins with small % of the vote. Figure it out thats the play. Not going to be successful though.
So you prefer an echo-chamber instead of opposing opinions? That’s fascist.
“Opposing opinions” are good.
“Co-ordinated talking points” . . . not so much.
Uh huh.
Half the comments in these threads are regurgitations of the same ole emotional talking points that add nothing to the changing context we live in. Reality is that the current political environment is a constant challenge of parry and counter-parry. It is healthy to have a running conversation on valid and invalid insights into “what just happened” and “what’s next”.
If, on the other hand, the intended conversation is always “you’re with us or you aren’t”, then have at it! You will lose at the margins and alienate what should be natural allies.
Do I oppose …opposing opinions….why yes…yes I do. Especially when they try to sow stupidity and doubt.
Are you the fascist within? Ever held that little private, introspective conversation?
Not every digression from the MAGA line is treasonous. If you believe so, if you are too wrapped up in the daily mechanics of “us versus them”, then you are no different from the same mouthpieces many of us have fought in leftist echo chambers since 2008.
There is more than one way to win a war. Wars are won with allies.
Spare me the troll BS. I served 21 years as part of the larger military team that faced down threats. I earned the ****ing right to post. I understand my views can be questioned. But to be called a troll or worse after service most of the population – to include a wide cross section of MAGA – never sacrificed for? Pack sand.
There may very well be subversive agents here. But there are also some who care enough to stick it out and voice their opinions in the hope they add some nuance.
“Opposing opinions” are good.
“Co-ordinated talking points” . . . not so much.
Who said opposing? That’s your spin again.
Served….earned the right? I am one that doesn’t buy into….Thank you for your service…. Many have been brainwashed into saying by the MIC…Because they want to keep the recruits coming to fight “their” wars. Not in defence of our country or (the puke worthy ) D E M O C R A C Y, but a war for their $$$$ interest. I suspect many who have served now realize this…That they were used for nefarious reasons. Sorry to be so blount but we are allowing all opinions right?
President Trump going scorched earth is why the majority of America First just love this guy. He’s a fighter and that’s what we need at the moment. Lee Zelden and Oz just melted at the end like a piece of chocolate on a hot sunny day. Both of them must have known that the only way the Fetterman loser and the crime loving hochul won was by cheating.
Because civility has worked SO WELL in the past….i.e. Bush, Cheney, McStain, Mitt the Twit…./S in the words of Alice Cooper……………No More Mr Nice Guy…..
So those are the only options?
Straw man argument.
Nice guy’s finish LAST!! We are in a war to to save the middle class and America. DAMN THE TORPEDOS!!!
No, No!
We need a kinder, gentler party.
Wouldn’t be prudent at this juncture to think about disrupting the anti Patriot Act.
Sarc.
Well said. However, the USSA is so far down the toilet, it matters little who the next president is.
There is no political solution to what we face as a nation.
‘there’s no hope, just give up’ troll
My country and it’s political leaders do not give me hope.
God does.
You have not been fully comprehending CON INC…..
“unpopular commentary” indeed
Correct. You can fight fire with fire without the name calling and insults.
Trump doesn’t know how and seems to have no one in his orbit to help with that…or maybe the people around him want him to implode,?
Big reason some in my world can’t vote for him..they hate the name calling and see it as childish.
I point to what dems do towards Trump but that seems to not matter as much.
You can be silent, but deadly.
Trump needs to pivot, you can educate everyone without some of this crazy.
President Trump won the 2020 election by a landslide. Did you see how he was winning bigly late in the evening on Election Day? The people wanted four more years and what did they get? Their votes stolen by a corrupted dangerous cabal, mine included most likely.
Why should he change from a winning strategy?Remember how many Republican candidates he took out back in 2016?
If so, why weren’t there massive protests like the ones in Brazil?
I noticed the humongous crowd too.
I hope that picture goes viral here in the U.S.
Some who claim to hate “name calling” don’t mind calling him and many others some pretty nasty names. Trump’s strategy needs to be fluid but he didn’t make this damn crazy. It is orchestrated and exploited by people he is attempting to confront and expose.
But they are ok with the Tsunami of dirty names and lies that are heaped upon President Trump.
We get it.
🇺🇸TRUMP🇺🇸
Woeful effort.
If you can’t do better, ask your supervisor if it’s at all possible to send someone competent.
I am not selecting “Bought and Paid For.” NEXT?
This is basically the view of my husband and I vehemently disagree with it. It has been obvious that Desantis was the power play that the never-Trumpers were going to roll out for a year.
We cannot go back to old GOP ways again – which is what DeSantis will be. We have to have our WARRIOR back in the White House for 4 more years so that he can pave the way to reclaiming the United States of America from the commies.
I like DeSantis but he, as President Trump has pointed out, would not BE the Governor of Florida had it not been for President Trump. I also find it very sad that he has allowed himself to be co-opted by the GOP machine. He had such promise to be the 2028 candidate had he stuck with President Trump.
DeSantis is now besmirched and NOT a MAGA warrior. He will not further our cause because he has been bought by the enemy.
Your entire post boils down to, “Govern me harder Republican Establishment”.
You must not read CTH very often, Sundance has spelled out very well the RDS connections to the GOPe, Big business and billionaire donors…these are the new puppet masters for Ron DeSanctimonious. He will not listen to ‘we the people’ and certainly not MAGA supporters…RDS who was once working in ‘The Swamp’ is now ‘Back in the Club’.
A lot of us voted for Trump in 2015/2016 because we saw the corruption in D.C. from both parties and we were sick and tired of voting for ‘the Establishment Candidate’ or ‘Kicking the can down the road’…I will never again vote for a GOPe candidate for POTUS.
You make a lot of good points Matrix but I kinda grew fond of Pres. Trump during his 4 years in office. Maybe it had more to do with his accomplishments than his personality. This isn’t high school.
I’m good with letting it burn. Demographically it’s where we are going regardless. It’s if you want to go fast or slow. Fast might be better in the long run.
Personally, I find phonies like DeSantis and his wife or Noem or Scott so repugnant that I will crawl over glass to vote against them.
I sadly agree
Not a failed human…but a flawed human – like the rest of us.
Otherwise, you raise many good points.
Boy you bought it ..hook …line….and sinker. LOL
LOL! You think he’s gone scorched earth now, you ain’t seen nothin!
Several times in ArmstrongEconomics.com blog, Martin Armstrong said he was approached by DeSantis team (he didn’t definitively state it was RDS, but, obviously he was aware of the request), THAT THEY ASKED ARMSTONG TO TALK TO TRUMP AND CONVINCE HIM NOT TO RUN IN 2024.
I will link any future reference to this. It’s a little sentence that he throws into some blog for the day, so it’s not possible to find/link any past references.
“Florida Governor Ron DeSantis has been positioned as the intended recipient for the disenfranchised MAGA movement’s support, if they can just get President Trump out of the equation and exploit the vulnerability in his absence. However, all previous efforts to shake the bond between President Trump and the MAGA movement have failed.”
Martin Armstrong’s Socrates computer prediction is for much civil violence in 2023. Be prepared.
https://usawatchdog.com/there-may-not-be-a-2024-election-martin-armstrong/
He’s been doing many, many interviews in the last 3-4 months. Will watch this one today. Thanks.
There’s also a recent post about the midterm results where Armstrong says blatantly that Desantis wouldn’t stand a chance of winning the Presidency
Yep. He’s slipped that comment in several times. Day after election, he said he would vote for him.
Today through Sunday is his WEC conference in Orlando. He has 250,000 virtual attendees this year!!!! Yah. When MA talks, people listen. I attended last year. Phenomenal. Which I could understand all of his allays, etc. Trying.
It is truly amazing the number of prominent conservatives who have sided with DS and against PDJT these days. Even looking at just DW (which is always a good indicator of where the wind is blowing) the level of TDS is very high, and is not just Ben Shapiro.
maybe they were prominent, but not conservatives, all along?
And THAT is why they fool so many Patriots.
DW has always been NeverTrump. They are grifters who promote whatever and whomever they are told. It’s funded by some billionaire.
None of these “prominent” conservatives were ever real Trump supporters.
Trump had to call it out Desantis now. Waiting would have only made it worse. Trump is striking first. It’s typical Trump it’s who he is. The man is a fighter.
I’ll never forget that time Trump was in Vegas and someone attempted to storm the stage. Trump didn’t flinch, he didn’t hesitate he turned and faced the threat head on and the secret service had to hold him back. I knew then like I know now, this is the man to lead this fight.
The hysteria of the Left and the GOPe quislings are indicators to me that we are on exactly the right track, with the right strategy and the right leader. We just need to organize our best minds better, and form coherent strategies going forward.
The past five years we magas basically bum-rushed a professional army…. we were like the Scottish beating the English at Sterling Bridge, but in the long term that’s not a successful strategy against well organized, professional opposition. We must continue to get better.
McConnell, McCarthy. McDaniel……McSantis…….oh, forgot McCain
And McNikki, McTulsi, McGraham, and many others.
McSanctimonius
I don’t want it to happen. But I will stand with Trump till the very end.
I hope he goes 3rd Party if the GOP Big Club continues to attack him in the manner they have.
Stand With You Mr. President. After all the slings and arrows you have taken for us, I won’t walk away from you and our MAGA Movement.
If Trump goes third party, you’ll get Kamala Harris as President in 2024.
No, the fix is in: Gavin Newsom.
So
It’s the gope that has to go on their own. This is a hostile takeover and the tyrants don’t get to negotiate.
Likewise, I’m with DJT come hell or high water…
The RINOs need to go form their 3rd party. We own MAGA now.
I can’t agree more. Sundance. For seven years CONservative Inc. Have been trying to destroy MAGA without any success. This time around they will fail once again. Starting January 2023 new GOP congress must outs McCarthy and McConnell. Then go to all out war with uniparty.
Is this real or just theater designed by who the hell knows to hide what ever dishonest garbage is really going on?
President Trump: “This is the calm before the storm.
Reporter: “What storm Mr.President?
President Trump: “You’ll see.”
DJT’s attack of DeSantis is NOT a push-back against some Republican cabal to water down Trump’s populism and nationalism. It is a typical and ill-advised attempt to besmirch a highly competent competitor by trying to besmirch him. This street-fighter tactic against a leader in the party is Trump’s worst trait.( DeSantis has dismantled the left wing media but has done it with substance and verve in a way that Trump never could). This is the kind of crap from Trump that will ensure Democrats win in 2024. There is nothing in DeSantis’ record that does not scream a devotion to Trump’s policies. He supports them. He simply has hugely superior craft in making the message and advancing the policies. Trump should shut up in the interest of the Republic and conservative Republicans.
Agree. Sadly this is where we are headed, a divided constituency leading to forever leftist fascism.
The Debbie Downer approach has been your trademark for quite some time on this site. Desantis has not done anything except what the String Holders have let him do in order to create this situation as a possible way to replace Trump. That so called Red wave in Florida looks like the manipulation normally seen in WPB and FLL was not in operation to usual standards. The uniparty is promoting a Trump replacement attempt. Look closely at the Strings. Trump who has No need for economic assistance from the CoC and Wallstreet is the only chance we have to continue the cleanup of the mess we have been in for many years but we refused to realize the depth of the mess.
Explain to me exactly how a less popular Donald Trump gets elected in 2 years? How does he pull in the mushy middle? Give me a strategy that makes sense given the less than stellar performance we just witnessed against pure evil. How does he win PA? Georgia? Arizona? Wisconsin?
It’s easy to look backwards and say “it worked before, it will work again”.
I’m not being a downer…I see the challenge as being different than 2016. This cabal can be defeated, but it will take a different approach, and I believe a different candidate.
Number one I feel that we made very good progress in this election contrary to your beliefs. Many gains were made not only on the Federal level but exceedingly good at State and Local levels. To win those states you pointed out we have to play the game like the opposition or continue to try to get Same day voting, Voter ID, better verified mail in ballots with 2 witness or notary signoff for verification. With the economy continuing to move into deeper recession in the next year I believe we may just get some of that voter reforms in place in the States you mentioned. It is going to be a Cold winter. In addition whoever runs on our ticket has to face the same Fraud unless we play their game or reform. Their game is not hard to play if you start early and have smart people running the Ballot gathering operation. The ballot gathering operation has been used in South Florida for years by the Democrats to obtain the Senior and dead people votes. Heck they even get votes from people that were never born. Voter rolls have all the possible names and are open to public record if you want to buy them. It is all a matter in doing the gathering over time and not waiting until a month before the election.
How does a GOPe Republican win in the rust belt? The last one to do so was George Bush senior and it was really Reagan who won. And that was an entirely different America in terms of age, education, race, religion, values, patriotism.
As of now, I won’t vote Desantis in 24, 28, or 32.
The only thing that could change it is if he returns the dirty money pronto.
I’m not sure even Trump can turn things around at this point, but I firmly believe he is the only one who has a shot.
I’m starting to believe that we have to let the RINOs take us to rock bottom like a drug addict before we can start to turn things around and have a possibility of rehabilitating them/the country.
Why wasn’t a third party started from the git go?
Probably because there was an accurate assessment of the uphill climb that it would take.
Probably considered what the one guy could possibly do to get MAGA people into the Republican Party positions at the local level throughout the country. It seems he was very successful in getting MAGA people into the apparatus at the local levels (filling precinct positions)
What if there were 10 of those people in each State working to get the new party up and running.
Could the new party have been formed?
I’m not sure, but if we get to a point where the new party has to be formed it is likely we have a model to work from.
Fair enough. This has to be weighed against the obvious – the exploitation of internal frictions which is fracturing the party at the moment.
Would have been nice to be the proverbial fly on the wall for those conversations!
keep reading National Review and the Daily Wire pal….
They are also big on the ‘besmirching’, as well.
I am NOT a Republican and NOT a Conservative.
I don’t care if someone is gay. You need people like me to vote for Trump’s big tent We will never vote for DeSantis or the Bushie GOP.
Get out of your conservative bubble and join the real world. Conservative echo chambers are “safe spaces” that get you nowhere.
Stop with the Conservative BS, Trump’s MEAN. The DNC knows six ways from Sunday how to beat a Conservative.
The Leftists are streetfighters. Get in the street or get run over.
This is not your grandfather’s GOP, it’s Trumps
Forget the Marquess of Queensberry rules. It’s a loser.
You sound like Karl Rove and George W, “We don’t want to be like them” while the GOP elites stab you in the back.
I disagree PUTT. Desanctimonious has merely stepped into the clearing President Trump has first created. Trump alone has blazed the trails that exposed our corrupt government, corrupt media, corrupt political system and corrupt cia, fbi, and state dept.
He is the only candidate who is running outside the evil norms and is working solely for the people.
Desanctimonious is drafting off the Trump train imagining he can have his cake and eat it too, using deep state money to win and not OWE his benefactors anything for the privilege.
Are you so easily fooled? This is not about who soothes your emotional feathers best, it is about who gets shit done! President Trump is the master, desanctimonious is the student. And now like so many, you would make the fools choice and chose the student over the master.
Amen !
Wow does Desantis pay you or do you just fanboy for him?
He voted for TPP the antithesis of MAGA. He’s anti-American worker and is being funded by a billionaire that openly states he’s doing so to return the Republican party to supporting the multi-national corporate status quo.
DeSantis is and has always been an ambitious political hack as evidenced by his Congressional record, resume and running to the camera every time he does one of his meaningless culture war PR maneuvers that the FOX News voters get excited over and say “look ma, he’s giving it good to them libtards.”
”There is nothing in DeSantis’ record that does not scream a devotion to Trump’s policies.”
How many times does Sundance and commenters have to explain why that comment is pure bullsh*t???
Grow a set, Kevin. I ain’t holding your hand through this. Catch up or jump ship, but get out of the way of the rest of us who know what the f* is going on. I suggest you go read SD’s twits for the last 24 hrs. If you still don’t grasp reality, what no change your handle to Pretender Kevin Putt. Also, this isn’t personal. It’s straight business….the business of this country.
Any one who has read SD’s posts for the last 6 months would know what’s happening. You’re a pretender, at best. Have a nice day.
Ron!
“Please clap” lol.
Not to worry. Bluer than blue states that use mail in ballots that they have been declared totally legal and every ballot counted can be used by MAGA people in those states to do what the democrates do with ballots and turn the bluer than blue ballots into redder than red ballots if they ate counted like blue dog ballots are.
Republicans should vote using mail in ballots and vote often like the demorcates do.
The covid-19 emergency declaration still in effect allows this.
Or
The new congress should cancel the emergency covid-19 declaration.
If they don’t do like the democrates do vote using a mail in ballot that can’t be verified.
Fight fire with fire so to speak.🤨😏😉
Think about the 2016 election. Whenever one republican candidates washed out they quickly put all their fawning onto the next and assumed we didn’t notice.
Part of what they are trying to do is destroy DeSantis and the progress made in Florida. They will use him till he’s no longer useful. And then get back to business as usual in Broward county!
And DeSantis will never hold any public office ever again. He’s sorely mistaken if he thinks they will actually let him win. They just want to get rid of Trump
Yep. People forget the GOPe hated/hates Cruz but were willing to use him and him destroying and political future was a happy benefit for the GOPe.
They hated McCain (with good reason) until he badmouthed President Trump, then they loved him and eulogized him as if they had always loved him.
You can agree with Trump’s strategic aims on this, but on a tactical level, he’s acting like a complete moron.
If he wants to call out DeSantis for collaborating, he needs to call out DeSantis for collaborating. Instead, he went after DeSantis on COVID–a field of battle where DeSantis had perhaps the best record of any governor in the country, whereas Trump abandoned the entire country to Fauci. He could hardly have picked a worse fight.
He spends the entire post talking about himself, with only a little perfunctory nod to his supporters at the end. He’s not talking like the leader of a movement. He’s talking like what his enemies have long portrayed him as–the leader of a cult.
This has gone over like a lead balloon. It’s widely seen as a narcissistic egomaniac blindly lashing out in a panic, and it’s hard to disagree.
I am sick to death of the COVID lie. GA opened sooner than FL. SD, WY, MT, KS, OK etc. were always more open than FL. I live in a blue state and was just as open as FL the whole darn time.
We’re all sick of this lie. L in his name must stand for Lyin’ ….kinda like Lyin’ Cruz.
The fact that DeSantis hasn’t pushed back against the MSM chatter pitting him & Trump against each other tells you everything you need to know about his stance on the MAGA/Save America movement. Desantis will NEVER stand up to the deep state.
Unfortunately, from what I’m seeing and hearing, a lot of conservatives who really should know better are buying the “It’s all Trump’s fault” narrative and are jumping aboard the DeSanctimonious bandwagon.
there’s a reason they are called SHEEP
it is truly sad that it is so easy to manipulate people that are “conservative”…. finger in the wind types…. gosh I wont be popular if I dont follow the new flavor of the day…
Not the rally goers.
Sanctimonious didn’t draw a crowd at his rally last Sunday in FL. His own state could not get the rally numbers. They came out for 45’s rally instead.
The noise if easy to see who didn’t really support 45 anyway and they are going to be loud. They don’t go to rallies though.
45 has the country. RdS has one state, and that will split between he & 45.
RdS is announcing as a loser.
Amen brother !
The objective is to defeat Biden in 2024. We go with who has the best chance, not who we like best.
And Judas DeSantis does not have Trump.s big tent, NEXT ?
UGH….I am ready to pull my hair out……
Oh, right, we need to go with who is most “electable,” right?
Mitt Romney was the most electable in 2012, right?
Perhaps you thought Jeb Bush was the most electable in 2016, too?
The object is to save the country from the continued influence of the Chamber of C, Wall Street money, Federal reserve and bankers. Going back to Uniparty as usual is not an option unless we accept that our founding fathers ideas were wrong and that we now want to be a communist democracy where the elites tell you what to do and how to do it.
Not if the GOP rigs the game against us.
NO WAY I vote GOP if they continue down the road of demonizing PT and unleashing their media/corporate hounds on us and MAGA.
It won’t be Uniparty Ron…
And who praytell do you think that is George?
I had to walk into the kitchen and check my calendar to see whether or not the year is 2015. Maybe to save the newer posters time, Sundance can republish some of the threads from 2015 and 2016 with all the “Trump can’t win” and “Trump should just shut-up” and “Trump’s dividing the party” comments.
Judas DeSantis
Those Poison Ivy Leaguers will backstab you EVERYTIME.
Poison Ivy Leaguers have been INDOCTRINATED to believe that they are entitled you see, and need to hoodwink the great UNSOPHISTICATED unwashed.
Ted Screws did the same thing to Palin trying to hijack the Tea Party movement.
Then all his Cruzbots got pizzed when she endorsed Trump.
Cruzbots are still pizzed and Judas DeSantis is their revenge.
Watch for Mark Levin to get onboard the Judas DeSantis train shortly.
The corrupt GOP elites continue to use the same old playbook.
The time to push back is NOW. Judas DwSantis needs to check his Poison Ivy League ego.
MAGA made him and MAGA will break him.
Judas DeSantis has made his choice yet the GOP elites are telling you not to get consumed in this Trump DeSantis war.
WRONG, this is the hill to die on. Otherwise all we attained is lost and the corrupt GOP elites win again.
It’s time to show Judas DeSantis who’s BOSS, “We the People.”
WOLVERINES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Interesting how PDJT and Sundance draws them out of the woodwork.
Like we haven’t seen this GOPe brigading play here 100x in the past.
New names, same old silly posts.
Thank you for saying this….
Many of the Old Debbie Downer posters here are still posting the same doom and gloom narrative. The new names who have not read the Guide to Posting notes fail every time on trying to Inform us of new information. The Blog type of posts identify them every time.
It should be obvious by now that most if not all of these Trump Bad / DeSantis Good posters are being paid to post their crappy views on here.
‘The group was recruited in January 2022 and includes Fox News’ Lisa Marie Boothe, Turning Point USA’s Benny Johnson, Newsweek opinion editor Josh Hammer, The Rubin Report’s Dave Rubin, New York Post and FoxNews.com columnist Karol Markowicz, Claremont Institute fellow David Reaboi and conservative writers like Jordan Schachtel, John Cardillo, along with Ben Shapiro and Guy Benson.”
Add to this group, some writers at the American Thinker :
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2022/11/desantis_in_2024.html
(1) stop the populist movement and (2) get the Republican Party back in alignment with the multinational “corporate world.”
If the goal now is to recreate the go along-get along country club image of the Republicans fine. Expect to be on the short end of the stick for the next generation as we slip in to a Socialist Utopia run by the freaks in the WEF.
If the GOP no longer wants or needs the MAGA movement it is time to get out and get away from McConnell-McCarthy Inc. and form a real conservative party. I am tired of voting for the milquetoast Washington Generals.
I can’t imagine anything more boring than going back to the pre-Trump party. I am done with the Globalist Republicans.
It’s time for THEM to get out of the republican party. MAGA owns the republican party.
You are correct, Sundance. The “ name calling,” came as a result of that horrible ad, that De Santis had to have approved, that tried to make him look like the chosen one of the Almighty. That is pretty dangerous self aggrandizement. President Trump called it as he saw it and he is correct. They call MAGA a cult? De Santis has turned his back on the people for his own benefit. In other words, a politician. Better put on your big boy pants and not act like a hurt child if your their appointed hero, De Santis, starts to look more like a political hack. I like him, then he sold out to big money. I don’t trust him anymore. I don’t trust him to be President and I have doubts if his current term as governor will be as successful. He has refocused away from people to big bucks.
Agree the ad was horrible and it needed to be called out.
Most people have short memories and forget DeSantis barely won the election against Gillum. As gov he also shut down the schools, churches, small businesses and only allowed big corporations to operate. But, as it got closer to deciding/needing to look good for a rerun for election, he stepped up his responses. After all we in Florida have a Republican Congress that’s really doing most of the work for the people.
DeSantis looked really great taking care of the needs after hurricane Ian, but all governors prior have done something to assist after the disasters. He just looked amazing because of how horrific this hurricane was. Andrew wiped out south Florida, does anyone remember who was governor then? Hopefully you understand what I’m trying to get across. Hurricane Ian was prime time news and DeSantis used it to the max.
With 230k new residents invading florida last year and nobody I know of wanted a re-run of
Charlie Crist, and finally ousting the dem people responsible for voter fraud in Dade and Palm Beach counties, DeSantis was bound to win.
FYI fixing the democrat voter fraud counties was key. (they let Jeb win) Just my opinion of an actual florida “cracker” .
Folks need to share this one with their bewildered conservative friends. Actually just about everything sundance posts. Grateful for this subscription. This and Epoch Times are pretty much my easy go to. Great job CTH
Why would the democrats be concerned that Trump is destroying the republican party? You would think that they would prop Trump up until nobody voted for the republicans. He’s poison to republican voters, right?
We know that both sides love this corrupt 2 party system with all of their dirty inside deals.
Because the ‘democrats’ need the ‘republicans’ for the same reason the Harlem Globetrotters needed the Washington Senators. To make it appear that there is actual opposition. All while their ‘opponents’ help them score from the other end of the court.
Santorum melting down…😂https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/11/killing-king-rupert-murdoch-fox-news-gop-elites-want-dump-trump-rob-schmitts-brilliant-open-newsmax/
Santorum?
That clown hasn’t been relevant in 11 years. Who cares what he has to say?
He’s always been a GOPe guy. He’s got some weird stuff around the wife too given their campaigning on being super observant Catholics.
Family is now telling me that they simply are not up to defending every immature comment from Trump for another 2 to 6 years.
He has GOT to become an adult and use real issues instead of all this personal BS.
America deserves a grown up in the White House. AND, this is NO endorsement for DeSantis. I don’t trust him either.
I hope your “family” are at least paying you minimum wage for your plucky efforts on this forum…
Anonymous person quoting anonymous people.
That sure gets me to rethink my beliefs. /s
Well Newsom is a grown-up, they should be happy when that happens.
I approve of this message by SD. Obviously, you don’t. Get a dog.
I admire and support Pres.Trump’s love for America and what he’s done for our country, he broke open the corrupt DC Swamp for all Americans to see. As a born & raised Floridian I also support DeSantis and am extremely grateful for all he’s done for our state, and he’s a great example to the rest of America. I don’t want to believe DeSantis is already bought and paid for by the Swamp, but I’m also cautious: anyone the Swamp favors is a red flag for me. I think Trump in this circumstance is being foolish – I understand his fighting personality (I admire that) but there is a time to keep your suspicions to yourself and proceed while you observe things going forward. Trump doesn’t earn himself any admiration for attacking DeSantis, he’d be far better served to say something like “DeSantis is a fine man and if he runs in 2024, we’ll see how it goes.” There well be time later for Trump to respond if DeSantis starts to criticize him, etc. But for now Trump should keep his self-control and not play into the GOPe and Swamp Uniparty’s hands. One of Trump’s advisors needs to grab him by the elbow and tell him this, whether Trump likes it or not.
You say there will be time later for Trump to respond. That would be true if the battle weren’t already underway. The opposition has been firing salvos at President Trump non-stop for years. What should he wait for….until he’s totally vanquished?
I am a Floridian and I am done with corrupt globalism and there is no nice way to say it.
In this circumstance you are being very foolish expecting someone who is intentionally being destroyed expecting to take it very nicely.
A backstabber like DeSantis is WORSE than Mitch McConnell. Time to admit this. DeSantis should be crucified for his traitorous acts.
Hi Mike. It’s time for target practice. May you should take a bench.
(1) stop the populist movement and (2) get the Republican Party back in alignment with the multinational “corporate world.”
If the goal now is to recreate the go along-get along country club image of the Republicans fine. Expect to be on the short end of the stick for the next generation as we slip in to a Socialist Utopia run byDemocrats, RINOs and the freaks in the WEF.
And if the GOP no longer wants or needs the MAGA movement it is time to get out and get away from McConnell-McCarthy Inc. and form a real conservative party. I am tired of voting for the milquetoast Washington Generals.
I can’t imagine anything more boring than going back to the pre-Trump party. I am done with the Globalist Republicans.
It’s almost like the majority of the comments in here today are being written by the same two people.
They’re the same arguments made here in 2015-2016 with just a few modifications. The themes are the same: “Trump should shut up,” “Trump is dividing the party,” and the all-time favorite, “Trump can’t win.”
President Trump… how about recruiting Sundance for one of your Senior Advisors?
Sure way to solidify 2024!
“On Thursday Rob Schmitt from Newsmax opened with a 14-minute segment on how the GOP elites, Paul Ryan, and the Murdoch empire is hoping they can destroy Trump and the pro-American movement he started.”
Things are never going to return to normal for them, but they refuse to accept that.
You’re spot on! That and the list of people you listed Shapiro, Benson, etc. I’m ignoring them and staying away.
Time to add a link button to Truth Social, guys. Tumbler but not Truth?
Let’s face it: they have the media, the political networks, the big money. It’s gonna be a hard one.
People would be depressed and disappointed by the betrayals. People got fooled easily. Even smart people were fooled. Here’s one example:
“Holy smokes,this lady is impressive. Virginia Lt. Governor-Elect Winsome Sears appears on CNN’s State of the Union show hosted by Dana Bash.” – Sundance, Nov 2021.
But, never forget, Trump survived the Access Hollywood tape scandal.
Today he is going after Gov. Youngkin.https://mol.im/a/11417135
I take what Trump is saying as bait to get DeSantis to run. I think he wants DeSantis to run against him because this is exactly how you get someone to enter the ring. I’m sure Trump has his reasons for wanting this match up.
This is an outstanding piece, making 100% spot on observations. I agree with the assertion that it’s the RINO-RAT wing of the party that needs to get lost, retire, go away in shame, reinvent itself with a new identity, affiliate with another party. They’re a joke, a fraud and a beastly comglomerate of gutless punks high on power and wealth (see McConnell, Graham for starters…) They are an embarrassment to most conservatives and an obvious criminal enterprise being led by Swamprats who are on the take from Big Corporate, China, Russia and elsewhere as they accuse Trump of everything they do.
It’s too bad that Desantis is willing to play games with his political career just to stay in with the ‘in-crowd’ for now. Republicans refuse to learn the lessons of John McCain.
After all we’ve learned about this corrupt political system, I have one question.
Why would anyone vote for someone who took money from the Koch’s in 2018 and voted for TPP in congress?
Who in their right mind would vote to give our jobs away?
DeSantis did. That’s who.
He’s compromised to the core of his being.