As the political discussion centers on the 2022 wins and losses from the midterm election, one thing that stands out in similarity to the 2020 general election is the difference between ballots and votes. It appears in some states this is the ‘new normal.’
Where votes were the focus, the Biden administration suffered losses. Where ballots were the focus, the Biden administration won.

Perhaps the two states most reflective of ‘ballots’ being more important than ‘votes’ are Michigan and Pennsylvania. Despite negative polling and public opinion toward two specific candidates in those states, Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer and Pennsylvania Senate candidate John Fetterman achieved victories.
Whitmer and Fetterman were not campaigning for votes, that is old school. Instead, the machinery behind both candidates focused on the modern path. The Democrat machines in both states focused on ballot collection and ignored the irrelevant votes as cast.
Since the advent of ballot centric focus through mail-in and collection drop-off processes, votes have become increasingly less valuable amid the organizers who wish to control election outcomes. As a direct and specific result, ballot collection has become the key to Democrat party success.
The effort to attain votes for candidates is less important than the strategy of collecting ballots.
It should be emphasized; these are two distinctly different election systems.
The system of ballot distribution and collection is far more susceptible to control than the traditional system of votes cast at precincts.
A vote cannot be cast by a person who is no longer alive, or no longer lives in the area. However, a ballot can be sent, completed and returned regardless of the status of the initially attributed and/or registered individual.
While ballots and votes originate in two totally different processes, the end result of both “ballots” and “votes,” weighing on the presented election outcome, is identical.
While initially the ballot form of election control was tested in Deep Blue states, through the process of mail-in returns under the guise and justification of “expanding democracy,” a useful tool for those who are vested in the distinction, I think we are now starting to see what happens on a national level when the process is expanded.
The controversial 2020 election showed the result of making ‘ballots’ the strategy for electoral success. Under the justification of COVID-19 mitigation, mail-in ballots took center stage. Ballot harvesting by Democrat operations was one term for the outcome.
Democrat party officials and political activist groups knew how to exploit the opportunities within the new system of ballot distribution and collection, and when you combine that with a massive legal pressure campaign to accept any and all forms of ballots, well, you can see how they are dependent.
Now that ballot collection has been shown to be a much more effective way to maintain political power, Democrats in a general sense are less focused on winning votes and more focused on gathering ballots.
When ‘ballot organization’ becomes more important than ‘vote winning,’ you modify your electoral campaign approaches accordingly. It might sound simplistic, but inside the distinct difference between ballots and votes you will find why refusing debates is a successful strategy.
If you are trying to win votes you could never fathom campaign success by refusing to debate an opponent. However, if your focus is centered around ballot collection, the debate is essentially irrelevant.
It’s time for voters to start seeing the difference between elections decided by ballots and elections decided by votes. Perhaps the 2022 midterm election will awaken people to the two completely different electioneering systems.
You can vote at any scale you want. However, when ballots are more important than votes – the election will always favor the former.
Michigan and Pennsylvania voters are likely very unhappy today, while Michigan and Pennsylvania ballot providers are smiling.
If Democrats had to win individual ‘votes’ to gain election success, they would be at a disadvantage. As long as Democrats only need to gather ‘ballots’, they have a path to winning elections. The processes of electioneering are all modified accordingly.
Campaigning, advertising, promoting, debating, hand-shaking, crowd attendance and venues for rallies, along with physically meeting people and convincing them of your worth, are only important if you are trying to win votes. Fortunately for Democrats, modern electioneering via ballot collection does not require these arcane efforts. So, in the larger picture of what you now see in elections, Democrats have stopped wasting time doing them.
Republicans are running around trying to convince people and win votes. Meanwhile, who needs voters? Democrats have skipped all of that old fashioned stuff and modified all of their electioneering systems to quietly and efficiently collect ballots. Yesterday you saw the outcome.
Haven’t you noticed?
It really is that simple.

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It doesnt say in the story but how do “ballots” differ from votes? Arent all ballots whether in person or by mail supposed to be validated the same way? If they mean the mail in “ballots” are forged, manipulated,manufactured or cheated on some way, why dont they clarify that? is it so unspeakable that people would cheat?
Excellent, excellent, excellent article!
Will Fetterman wear his shorts and hoodie to the Capital when in session? How long before his next stroke?
Republicans need to start running some people as DINO’s. It tis nothing but an acting job. Get the job and vote w/the MAGA people.
Republicans are not going to do shit because they are part of the club.
I would suggest that you all get your defenses in place and ready to eliminate the human garbage.
Quit believing this mega church pussy Christian nonsense
It’s also a psyop against dissatisfied voters. If you don’t like the way the country is headed, but Democrats win (via their methods), then maybe something is wrong with you since everyone else appears to like them.
A weak aspect of “democracy mob rule”
Note timing of release of the very last “early” voting batch by AZ last night—-these were the very last of vote batches that would tilt to Hobbs (but not by much). Right at same time as Lake’s interview on TCT. Meanwhile several hundred thousand votes that are likely 2:1 in Lake’s favor languish uncounted. It’s to demoralize and make it appear something nefarious happened to get Lake over the top.
The longer they dick around with those Lake votes, the more chance they will be destroyed by fire or flood.
I have to admit, that was my first thought.
So true. This is exactly how I felt Wednesday night and all day yesterday
I’m blessed because my first instinct is always: there is something wrong with them.
Votes vs. ballots??!! This is total nonsense.
The underlying predicate of our electoral system is ONE MAN / ONE VOTE. It is beyond obvious that the Dems strategy is de-linking the VOTER from the ballot. Their strategy is NOT de-linking the VOTE from the ballot. That doesn’t even make sense. With cleansed voter rolls and controls on who gets a ballot there is a 1-TO-1 CORRESPONDENCE between the vote and the ballot.
Our “problem” is that the GOP doesn’t play the game of manufacturing ballots that are disconnected from the voter like the Dems do. That is, the GOP ISN’T AS GOOD AT CHEATING. If you want to cheat you have to disconnect the ballots from the VOTERS. You can do this by 1) using machine algorithms to manufacture electronic votes that have no VOTER attached 2) creating hard copy ballots that have no VOTER attached 3) using illicitly-obtained created ballots to vote for actual registered voters without their knowledge, etc.
All the cheating ends when voter rolls are cleansed and ballots are only given to valid, registered voters.
I also observed when I voted too many people in line asking to register to vote which they were allowed to do and then given provisional ballot voting. It is utter nonsense to have a registration deadline and not adhere to it. I suspect there were a whole mass of people who had never voted before that got PAID to register to vote day of.
I tend to be on the fence with this issue. Some people are very very busy. (and yes, some are just lazy). I have a different view about “registration” and following some rigid rule set. I do believe in a deadline where the vote will stop, and hard line stop, adjusted reasonably for significant crisis that cannot be predicted or denied…like natural disasters, moving to a new location, job changes. births..deaths. all kinds of things happen to human beings. Being allowed to register and vote in the day of voting in an election is perfectly acceptable to me with the obvious safeguards being enforced and nothing else diminished. Do not have ID? sorry, you lose! Cannot write your signature? Sorry, you lose! Cannot prove your residence? sorry you lose! these a basic personal responsibilities to participate. I am firm advocate of making the election system as easy and accessible even in the last minute. Because lots of people do become “last minute” voters for lots of reasons that should not prevent them from participating. But if they fail to provide ID and verifications…Waiting until the last minute is not an excuse nor should it be for anyone who votes at any other time or even early. Some basic standards must be met. “last minute” voting to me is like a business saying: we close at 8 but if you show up at 7:30 you are not going to be served. That’s ridiculous. This is a national vote…each state must accomodate even the lazy people….or those in a predicate that results in last minute voting. provided they are legitimate legal citizens, and have verifiable proof of ID and residence.
jmho
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That, in essence, explains the essay. If you cheat the voter is unimportant because fake ballots win.
But the point is as long as Democrats control governors and state legislatures that will never happen. So the GOP needs to get better tactics, no of course not cheating, but more aggressive about collecting ballots which in many states is perfectly legal however much we dislike it.
Thought experiment: what would the result be if the GOP turned out 100% of its voters + 100% of Independent voters? Have we not already seen plenty of instances where jurisdictions have had more votes counted than registered voters…and nothing was done about it? If you cannot catch and punish voter fraud on that kind of level, then the Dems will just have to manufacture more fake “registered voters” and/or more fake ballots in somewhat greater numbers.
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The voter rolls will NEVER be cleansed.
history agrees.
“The underlying predicate of our electoral system is ONE MAN / ONE VOTE”
now let me open up a big can of worms to deconstruct and illuminate “one man/ one vote”
predicate is a specific word. But it is purely philosophical and not in practice. “one man/one vote” is an illusion in the real world. Let me be clear: it SHOULD be one man/one vote as this best fits the specific language, original thought and debate on the matter by our founders. There is a wealth of letters and the reliable federalist papers that illuminate the meaning and the intent behind the electoral college. Let me continue. One man one vote was simply not feasible from a logistic reason at the time. logistic isn’t necessary distance either. it can be means, or rugidness/danger of travel. it is also a timing logistics issue. It would be great weather in one place and terrible snow drifts or floods and tornadoes in another. these are the realities that the early american who were trying to solve. Later this would be expanded to rectify inequalities between regions, districts, counties, parishes, and of course individual states. These inequalities might mean for instance that a larger city densely populated with several magnitudes of superior infrastructure, voting places, and voting ballot production exists compared to poor rural areas that do not have these facilities and must rely on others to provide them. This is also a reality that the constitution recognized needed to be addressed. Thus was born the electoral college. BUT because Congress could not legally establish a unified, common, standard election protocl, each state thus went about describing each and separately just how and what kind of inequalities existed in their own state and how to remedy them. It is also important to digest other concerns and problems the original early american had on their mind who drafter the constitution – that the american voter would not be fooled into voting for a scoundrel, someone of low repute and immoral character of unintelligent and uneducated. The early Americans also imagined there must be safeguards ALSO against allow the american voter to become a mob and use the voting system to elect a fool or a criminal. *yes, the founders also worried that THE PEOPLE could actually participate in burning the country to the ground by using the voting system as a means to achieve anarchy. (you really must read the hundreds of letters and federalist papers to get a keen insight into what these geniuses were discussing and why the electoral college was proposed.) So you have two general problems solved: logistic/inequalities, and also a means to “qualify” a candidate. I will not go further here to describe all of the other nuances, but only to point to what the constituition in this specific area was set out to accomplish.
Now lets visit reality:
the logistic/inequality issue/problem does not exist in America any longer. Every single legal american citizen voter may vote and is not challenged by “logistics” or inequality. That part of the reasoning for the EC is no longer valid.
now, lets look at “qualification” of candidates. This is the area where the early americans who wrote the constitution punted. They understood that the federal government could not under a federalist system demand one size fits all with regard to establishing something so subjective as a “test or qualification” for office. But they well understood that the threat of scofflaws or a mob citizenry could cause great harm. I suspect, my intuition tells me, the founders depended on honest men and women in each state to conduct voting affairs with the highest decorum and honesty. Sadly, that has never been practiced in America. The amount of significant differences in the process of the electoral college, their makeup, the assignment and ratio to population districts, are not standard. Not even in the same state! It is best explained this way, this disproportion of electoral college representatives: why should washington DC have a smaller ratio of citizens to electoral representatives that the entire state of Louisiana.? DC has 7 times fewer people yet has the same number of electoral reps! Think about this from a math view: This means that DC has more voting POWER ..fewer people have the same voting power as a much larger population in another state. This disproportion of ec members and how they are assigned is a COMPLETE MESS and makes a mockery of the logistics/inequality problem the founders were trying to solve. it is exactly what they were trying to prevent! AND no state observes an actual “test/qualification” of candidates either. This has actually never taken place. Not once. It’s just too “hard” to express a single national level common standard that defines “qualification/test”..what might be intelligent and honorable in one place and location is beastly and sophomoric in another. The founders KNEW THAT. They left it up to each state to form a solution. This has never happened. I am not sure if it is even possible to have each state agree to some kind of universal common standard by which candidates are “qualified”. The country has never even made the attempt. What we have NOW is a system that does not qualify at all. It refuses to qualify. Only the basics are required: minimum age, citizenry, non felon. That’s it. While it IS TRUE that most states do not BIND their EC members to be rubber stamps for certification, the fact remains that they could become faithless and revolt. This has happened just a hand full of times in US history, but the constitution does not address it and most state constitutions ALSO DO NOT ADDRESS IT. So this is a ticking time bomb that is waiting to go off, and it will. I predict it. What happens when 100 ec reps in various states decide to rebel against voters and certify something else? if your reaction is, no wait..that could never happen..well I have news for you..It HAS HAPPENED> and there is no legal means to prevent it. (I told you this was a complicated subject! sorry).
So in reality it isn’t just ballots and votes.
it’s is also a EC body that literally causing disproportion in representation. a form of nation wide gerry mandering if you think of it that way. It results in some votes being MORE POWERFUL than others. This is the not so consequential dynamic that happens like gravity…it’s there, even if you don’t know how to describe it…you can definitely measure it. DC people have more voting power than the entire state of Louisiana. That’s just one example. Compare each state to each. Do the math. You will find this flaw exist in every single state!
so this means that there really isn’t a one person/one vote system in ameria.
one person/one vote is more of less a mantra but does not actually describe what happens in America when you vote.
you vote under a electoral college system. Your vote is more or less powerful than someone else..how much depends on where you live, what state, and how radically distorted your state officials have decided to concentrate EC power areas.
if the early americans could see what has become of the EC, they would call to have it abolished and reform the voting to an actual “one man/one vote”..PROPORTIONAL NON-EC DIRECT VOTE FOR PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES. But they could not have done it then and they certainly cannot do it now. The cat’s out of the bag for one and the other is that the system has been abused and distorted for poltical reasons agendas for so long, those in power are not inclined to reform it.
one man/one vote cannot exist under the current EC system.
These are the facts.
until the voting system is truly reformed at the fundamental level and the EC is reformed to a STRICTLY a PROPORTIONAL MATHEMATICALLY PERFECT RATIO IN EVERY STATE…until that happens, voters will not have equal voting power.
I could easily pivot at this point and describe the kinds of problems when disproportionate voting happens, but I will just refer you to looking at America today.. All of these problems are directly rooted to this mad ec business.
not discounting ballots and votes as a serious problem here! just to illuminate another serious flaw that has continued to exist in our national voting process.
It needs to be addressed.
I have no suggestions on the qualification/test reform. I think that subject is best left open for continual debate. I cannot expect anyone would presume to know what kind of decisions would be acceptable in my area and culture nor would I presume what would be a qualification for another town and society either. The world is complex. Humans are complicated. The founders go it right to identify a problem, but as usual in an honorable way refused to establish some ridiculous one size fits all. But that is ironically and tragically where were are all at now is the opposite..the very nightmare scenario: no size, fit for no one.
God Bless America
TLDR;
YOu need to be even more clear and concise in regard to Votes versus Ballots.
You have to make your point in just ONE sentence.
Pallets of Ballots vs. Votes.
I dont recall these spikes happening prior to 2020
Could I ask where you got this graph? I’ve been looking all over for these real-time results that were so prevalent in 2020 but are now so much harder to find because they expose the fraud!
Edison Research makes them.
https://www.edisonresearch.com/election-polling-2/
Nine pages of comments so far … and only two people (counting me) have broached the topic of the 2nd Amendment. With no responses. THIS is why America is doomed … to be replaced by Amerika. Our Founders would be dismayed.
You won’t find that discussion here. The forum is more for religious or political solutions. Stuff like our founders worked out goes on elsewhere.
However, Friday, I expect there to be a nice discussion honoring those who went off to kill other humans because a man and his chain of command told them to.
They will be ‘thanked for their service’. My father was one of them. In his case and time, tens of millions were killed, military and civilian alike. That will be honored. That’s how this society works.
I strongly suggest that you get a copy of this book, written by General Smedley T. Butler, one of the U.S. military’s most decorated soldiers. It is possible to have gratitude for the selfless personal sacrifices made while condemning the political machinations which made those sacrifices necessary.
Most avoid it and it’s fairly typical here. The few times its been raised most comments reflect it. I see one here right off the bat without scrolling. These apparently their solution is somehow based in their concept of “reality” based on psuedo intelect the rest can’t attain and certainly above what the Founders faced down and crushed as the most potent military on earth at the time.. This they can never define. Near term we lack rally points. Logistics, water, food, pointy things, como, command structure. ADD a feminised FUSA military flushed by vax edicts leaving the compliant “led” by fiends Milley, Austin, Bishop who disgrace flag and uniform. Will what remains turn barrels on Kith and Kin? Biden makes the threat. But it’s a fight I’m willing to have less effected alternatives that thus far are hollow. Realize too that dotMil’s record against irregular forces ranges from poor to abysmal. Current ranks further define this. But I like their character. I like the odds. For this and more best not discussed here, I’m I’m fairly confident of the outcome, and its cost, though many across the country remain absolutely unconscious of what’s foisted upon them. These will be the first to die. Another question I never see raised is what does the CCP and their allies do WHILE we’re engaged? Given 4G-5G technology (abdicated by dotGuv expatriated through “American” corporations) the Atlantic and Pacific oceans no longer insulate the Heartland as they once did. This is a difficult scenario to assess. For the rest it’s critical to finish building stores. It’s not difficult but does take some learning, funds, focus. I pray for God’s intervention, but current abominations, now coming each Day, are making this country unfit for mortal men let alone the satanic attacks on children and the unborn. A reckoning is building. You can feel it. Every day Sundance posts one of Mike Mike Vanderboegh’s (RIP) admonitions, but methinks many here don’t know who he is/was (RIP). I was fortunate to meet him the first time at his home in Alabama which he loved. Here’s a quote from Gen. Washington Mike kept nailed up at SipseyStreet. Still is. In the end some will choose to live and die on their knees…..
“The Fate of Unborn Millions””The time is now near at hand which must probably determine, whether Americans are to be, Freemen, or Slaves; whether they are to have any property they can call their own; whether their Houses, and Farms, are to be pillaged and destroyed, and they consigned to a State of Wretchedness from which no human efforts will probably deliver them. The fate of unborn Millions will now depend, under God, on the Courage and Conduct of this army-Our cruel and unrelenting Enemy leaves us no choice but a brave resistance, or the most abject submission; that is all we can expect-We have therefore to resolve to conquer or die.” – George Washington to his troops minutes before the Battle of Long Island (Brooklyn Heights)
“Most avoid it and it’s fairly typical here.”
Yes, here and elsewhere, which is why I fear we may be doomed. In the old days, cheating as obvious as what we saw last election and what we’re seeing this election would have led good men to take to the streets … ARMED. But all that many patriots do today is spread hopium about trusting God … and winning the next election. And meanwhile, we’ve essentially abandoned those who actually did protest on January 6th. To our everlasting shame. I like the sort of people on this forum, but I fear hopium is not going to save us from a dictatorship worse than that envisioned in the book 1984. And once such a dictatorship is in place, it will be near impossible to get rid of, given modern technology with which to watch, assess, manipulate, apprehend and even alter people.
Yes, conservatives lack a military style command and control structure, good communications and face an opponent that now commands large numbers of armed federal agents and police forces, and a military led by woke leadership containing many woke soldiers. But we have advantages too. Sheer numbers, for one.
Should our side come out in mass (by the millions) TO PROTEST we could easily outnumber the authorities ten to one in situations where most of their arms and communication would do them no good, unless they wished to turn a protest into a full blown war and reduce their own cities to rubble. In that event, our side has advantages.
Numbers, again. If just 3 or 4 percent of the armed populace we’re to take to the streets, we’d outnumber ALL the federal agents, police and military in the country, combined. And the left can’t depend on all of those being on their side in the first place. Many might join our cause or just stand down and wait to see what happens.
In that case, being dispersed rather than centralized could be a big advantage. To get to us, they’d have to enter Indian Country, were small units are very, very vulnerable. And their real leaders have huge vulnerabilties, too. They are used to living in nice houses, eating at fancy restaurants, driving nice cars, sending their kids to good schools, having servants at their beck and call … in short, living a life of luxury. Do they want to risk that?
Unlike in the USSR of old or China these days, they don’t live in centralized communities defended by the military with their own separate supply chains for all they need and want. Most of them live among us. And they depend on us for all the things the good life requires, including water, sanitation, electricity and food. So do the families of federal agents, police and the military. Right now, they are not prepared to face an armed and furious populace demanding free and fair elections. I’m fairly confident of the outcome if that happens.
But given a couple decades of absolute rule, they may be. They may create defended communities for their leadership and party members with separate supply chains. And then it will be too late for even the 2nd Amendment to save us from 1984, assuming that by then they haven’t already disarmed us, a bit at a time.
“Another question I never see raised is what does the CCP and their allies do WHILE we’re engaged?”
Good point, though I suspect the Chinese leadership fear what our armed populace would do if they invaded, as much as UNIPARTY leaders apparently do. Plus, an internal struggle probably would not impact the elements that prevent a foreign invasion of our country … like the airforce, navy or nuclear forces. The military might be woke, but they aren’t to the point that they’d allow the Chinese to use their army to take over.
I suppose the Chinese could offer the Biden regime some troops to help secure the country and the Biden administration might be foolish enough to allow that. But then I suspect they wouldn’t just be facing 3 to 4 percent of the armed populace and I suspect many now supportive of the democRAT/UNIPARTY policies would abandon them … might even join the struggle against them. And American attitudes toward China would harden.
I suppose the Chinese might take advantage of the situation to spread their influence elsewhere, but that’s already happening anyway under the Biden Administration. In fact, I see the world doing just was was predicted in 1984.
“For the rest it’s critical to finish building stores.”
But are enough people really doing that? I don’t know, but I don’t see signs of it. And I’m not sure that needing “stores” is true anyway. Right now, they don’t have “stores” either and we’re not talking about us not being able to grow food, secure water, obtain power … live off the land if need be. There are lots of ways we could do that. Our areas of strength are not in major cities where everything has to be shipped in from outside. But they’d have to do so to keep angry mobs (their constituents) happy … through territory we could easily control. And for most part, we control most of the places where food is grown, power is produced, oil and natural gas are obtained. Without those things, they can’t hold out very long. A few saboteurs could make matters even worse for them.
“George Washington to his troops minutes before the Battle of Long Island (Brooklyn Heights)”
Great quote. Remember that the army he spoke of was a essentially a citizen army, totalling just a few percent of the overall population. That’s something we could create … if we show the will and desire for freedom they did.
You know….
Dems had their massive operation in place to chug out the ballots yet the races were really tight.
Imagine the difference it would make if Republicans had that same operation.
How about honest, fair and secure elections!
Either we destroy the present ballot votes & re-install paper & pen, one day voting, or we are doomed to communism & will never need to vote again.
The DemoNazis are pushing boldly; we must push back harder!
Preserve the Bill of Rights!
the current system is flawed with wide open gaping loopholes that do get exploited up to manipulation and direct fraud. No doubt about it.
But I have a thought experiment: Reply with a list of possible exploits that can exist for paper and pen, single day voting scheme. List at least 3 ways that kind of scheme could be manipulated up to manipulation and direct fraud?
I can list 10 different very viable means to create manipulation and direct fraud using one day voting, and pen and paper schemes.
spoiler: no matter what “system” or “scheme” you can imagine to CURE the existing scheme, CORRUPTION WILL ALWAYS EXIST TO INVADE THAT SPACE.
Spoiler number 2: no matter what man has come up with to make something more secure and legitimate, there will always be the criminal element that will hack that system.
This is where we are today. No matter what scheme is used to reform the voting system, there will always be forces at work to gain the winning advantage. U simply transfer the risk from one system to another.
I do agree that technology itself is perhaps the most sophisticated and hardest to prove manipulation. But paper and pen and single day voting isn’t a magic pill either. It takes EFFORT< VIGILANCE, and an incredible amount ot direct access and reliance on hundreds of thousands of people working really hard to notice and throw the red flag down when errors, anomolies, missteps, missed deadlines, influence, dark money, and media psyops. This is people and lots of them working to make sure fraud does not occur. It would be the same effort with pen and paper. Would it mean the work is easier and less prone to subjective rule making?
exhibit: hanging chads, 2000.
God Bless America
Not going to happen in states where the election systems are set up to support voter fraud (Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, Colorado, etc.). The Republicans in those states need to figure out how they do it and do the same.
So, we cheat? I was tossed off FreeRepublic many years ago for suggesting that if we didn’t hold Clinton and the democRATS in his administration accountable for all the crimes they committed to get elected, it wouldn’t be long before Republicans would become just like them. I guess that day has arrived.
Probably a combination of ballot harvesting and weighted vote counting in the machines. The cheating dems have it either way.
Exactly.
They have been both harvesting and computer weighting for years. 2020 was a pull out all stops and keep Trump out. Now it is, just enough to keep everyone from seeing the other hand. More or less throttle it so it doesn’t look so lop sided. Keep the RINOs in (because they are part of the grift) and make America Marxist by a billion cuts.
Question is who has control?
Great observation. Ease off the throttle just a bit, tap the brakes, to make the chicanery and deceit a tad less obvious. But not enough. Two words: Pennsylvania, Michigan. The Democrat balloting bullsh_t absolutely reeks.
It’s so profoundly simple. Machines were devised by human intellect and hands to accomplish one thing – efficiency at speed otherwise difficult if not impossible to attain manually. Ask why these machines run on a proprietary algorithm deployed by those who fight, lie, and slander with false allegations to keep and protect their rigorous inspection. Here you’ll see the efforts of two previous Texas Secretaries of State who honored their Oath – David Whitley and then Ruth Hughs, who submitted Dominion Voting Systems machines to three independent forensic IT audits by independent entities as bid then contracted. Abbott chose not to reinstate both Whitley and then Hughs in concert with some of his”-R” state legislature allies. Current Texas SoS John B. Scott had no part in these audits and only inherited the efforts of Whitley and Hughs. https://www.sos.texas.gov/elections/laws/dominion.shtml
My bet would be the fbi would be arresting said Republicans.
plot twist: a WINNING, IN POWER REPUBLICAN PARTY WILLING TO INVOLVE AND PARTICIPATE IN EXPANDING SECRET POLICE STATE POWERS, would receive the full and complete support of the FBI.
see how this works? (its’ really not about part to the FBI. or to the IC state.)
what matters most if the party IN POWER that is willing to play ball and make everyone very wealthy on the pay to play system….
the FBI is perfectly satisfied with any PARTY IN POWER willing to play the potomac two step.
God Bless America
When you can’t beat them join them, if ballot harvesting is legal, we need to do the same thing in those states. Then we win. Just don’t tell anyone. Act like democrats.
Ballot harvesting will always favor the Democrats because who gets excess ballots to be harvested? People who live in short term and rental housing get ballots addressed to former residents, and nursing home inmates get ballots that are filled out by staff, that’s who. People who live and work in such places tend to be Democrats.
you are correct. this is how its being done in Georgia. But we have Dominion and that’s another variable. But from what I can tell it was all done in early voting.
That explains why Joe sat in his basement counting ballots because in person, verified votes don’t matter.
People starting to get it.
No. They are not getting it. A lot of you aren’t getting it. Fetterman didn’t get votes … he got ballots turned in. Harvested ballots. And ten to one, many of those ballots were not legit or legitimately obtained. Just like in 2020, democRATS cheated in race after race. Those races we won, we probably only won because they miscounted the number of ballots they needed. And just like last time, there will be no accountability for the cheating. They own the government entities that would determine foul play and punish it. They own the media that might expose it to the general public. They even own many of the top republicans … which is why nothing effective was done to prevent it. No, if they really were starting to get it, they’d understand that 2022 was a sign that all is lost. That outside of masses of people taking matters in their own hands, nothing is going to prevent 2024 even being worse. I know you don’t want to hear this but 1984 … here we come.
Agreed.
I remember the 1984 election but I understand what you’re referring to.
The OP outlines one long-lived part of poltics. Your post outlines another long-lived part. We’re just more aware of it now with ad-hoc information conduits. In generations past the government controlled media limited our access to independent investigation and observation.
We didn’t get here overnight. IMO it’s been going on since at least the great war (WW1), so over a century. I am surprised at the level of ignorance about the dynamic though. IDK, perhaps I was ignorant too, at least until the RFK/MLK assassinations and Watergate. That wised me up.
I thought the 1984 reference was regarding the book by Orwell.
Anent which, the Daley machine in Chicago’s preferred method of election fraud was ballot harvesting. They voted entire nursing homes without the occupants’ knowledge, as well as voting prisons and graveyards.
“I remember the 1984 election but I understand what you’re referring to.”
Yes, I meant the book 1984, written by George Orwell, who became disaffected with Fabian Socialism. He wrote the book right after witnessing what was happening in the Fabian Socialist FDR administration as a warning about what Fabian (English) Socialism (not socialism, per se) might bring to the world. And it has.
It was reported that only 61% of registered Republicans voted in the PA election. If true (and that data can be verified), and you couple that with a late debate where Neckblob already had at least a 381k vote (ballot) advantage over Oz, then it is very possible they got Neckblob over the finish line with a minimum of fraud. Is harvesting a part of that equation? Most likely. Remember, they told us “it might take days, over even a couple weeks, for us to know who won in PA”. That vanished like a fart in the wind at 2am election night. Why, suddenly, did it go from “days or weeks” to “hey, we have us a winner!” in the course of a few hours? In part, because “principled” conservatives couldn’t find it in their abilities and hold their nose to vote for an admittedly poor candidate in Oz, in order to prevent Neckblob and his communist buddies from holding on to the Senate. Leading up to the election, I heard (and read) many conservatives in PA ruminating on whether they could vote for Oz or not. Those people – if they ended up staying home and not voting – are idiots, pure and simple. The overriding principle for any conservative/Republican should be to keep the communists out of office.
61% is excellent turn-out for a mid-term. Unless turn-out was 100% and R’s were greater than 50% of all voters, Fetterman would “win”. They said this implicitly with the “it’ll take days and weeks to count” mantra.
You don’t get it
You are not trying to get 100% turnout. You are competing against 200% turnout. It is fraud. and the only ref on the court is math.
btw what was the turnout in 2020, and yes understand Prez elections are higher..67% which should bother everyone since you have to go back 120 years to find such turnout. It was fake ballots, not voters.
This seems to be the biggest problem to me. I know this sounds over-generalized and also “mean” (by today’s nonsensical norms), but by and large conservatives are nicer and better people than Democrats. Sorry to put it like that but hey, is what it is. We play by the rules. We don’t want to kill babies generally speaking. We like having jobs and supporting our families. We are responsible gun owners and don’t go around shooting people just because we have them. We EARN what we have and don’t expect Taxpayers to raise our kids or provide our healthcare. Among many other pleasantries. Democrats on the other hand, well, I think you get it. UNTIL we are playing the same game by the SAME “RULES”, we are screwed. We are too nice. We CONSERVE, it’s kinda in the name. And in that conservative philosophy is the conservation of character. Democrats aren’t worried about that. And until we learn to play like they do, this is what we get. It’s the same thing that’s happened to our country. We are so worried about being nice and not being labeled racist or whatever the hell, that our nation is being destroyed from within, and from without. Because what is coming in isn’t helping.
manipulation of the voting system BY ANY MEANS is antithetical to a christian american voter’s conscience. This is a fact that is not a flaw. It is a principle that is worth dying for.
and many did just that. That this nation would be safe, secure and our republic would not be the result of a bunch of bullshit and acts of fraud.
We will let the left pinko commies do their thing. They walked over the line. Many times. These are historic lies! Epic frauds.
Our KIND do not belong in that space and we should never EVER DARE to normalize such behavior.
If we lose this single most important distinction, we are hypocrites and have failed to win the good fight.
spoiler: the good fight is won fairly, with honor, absent corruption.
If we are led down that road, we become failure.
not on my watch.
we will hang them with the ropes they have made.
God Bless America
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Exactly.
Why the hell can’t people understand there is massive cheating! Fetterman did not get elected legitimately! Just like Biden didn’t! Trump won PA by 1 million votes! Oz won PA too!
Most thinking people do understand that there is cheating and it’s all fake. But realize at the end of the day that if repubs swept 100% of the open seats there will still be an fbi, irs, nsa, billions to Ukraine and other countries, Jan 6 trespassers and abortion protesters still in gulag, on and on. So it’s really a choice between a slow boil or a fast crash. So another election cycle and we all shuffle in to the voting booth to do our business like some collective national bowel movement. What I’d like to see is most thinking people realizing that we are way beyond voting. Nobody is coming to save you, at least not from the republican party.
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I disagree with the Hodgetwins on this point. The Republican candidates lost due to election fraud, not lack of voter turnout.
Here in Illinois, gubernatorial candidate Darren Bailey and attorney general candidate Tom DeVore were very popular grassroot Republican candidates with a demonstrably large support base evidenced by large rally attendances.
DeVore was also popular with thousands of students, teachers, and school staff for defeating Governor Pritzker’s hated school mask mandate.
Despite all of this support, the tyranny loving, liberty loathing Pritzker and his sycophant attorney general, Kwame Raoul, supposedly won.
They supposedly won by such huge margins that the AP called the race for both of them with 0% of the precincts reporting which is corrupt and absurd.
The outcome of this election had nothing to do with voter turnout and everything to do with election fraud.
NOPE> Sundance just explained why they are wrong .
I would love to see Sundance analyze the so-called “Workers Rights Amendment” to the Illinois Constitution that unfortunately looks like it is going to pass.
This amendment will basically give public unions in Illinois near tyrannical power over the state government and cause taxes to go sky high.
https://madisonrecord(dot)com/stories/635154219-still-ballots-to-be-counted-amendment-1-is-close-to-passage
https://wirepoints(dot)org/amendment1/
Trump motivates far more voters than any legal alternative. And thats the challenge, the Rs didnt underperform, the Ds overperformed, any i suspect they didnt do it legally. The Ds have an organized urban ballot harvesting scheme, that is facilitated by corrupt County Clerks. Until that is addressed, no candidate will be safe nor will the current threat to the Republic be abated.
100% on point. This was pointed out recently in Orlando Fl. (by a democrat that lost in a local election) where it been going on for years within the black community. Currently under investigation
Link please.
Largely facilitated by corrupt Secretaries of State, who for the most part came up through the URBAN COUNTY CLERK BUREAUCRACY.
And Soros had the SoS program to recruit and elect his sort.
Legal action needs to be taken against the URBAN COUNTY CLERK’S Apparatus in counties like Fulton, Philadelphia, Milwaukee, Maricopa. These counties skew 80/20 D. If these criminals in the URBAN COUNTY CLERK Bureaucracy we brought to justice, the elections would be far more trustworthy
Classic Occam’s razor. Excellent analysis. Our side is always being directed towards the most outlandish theories of stolen elections.
Address this Ronna Romney or lose your job! Get involved with grassroots efforts to clean up the voter rolls.
I would hope that Ronna would go by now. We need a complete overhaul of the Mitch McConnell Ronna team. Two major losses(in PA and Michigan) not good. I thought PA and Michigan would have been cleaned up. That did not happen. And apparently they knew that.
If you can’;t beat ‘um, join ‘um. It’s time to get national teams of ballot harvesters for sane governing.
Even harvesting ballots then destroying them to keep them out of Democrat’s hands would counter cheating.
Which is total illegally. It would be a good way for Republican harvesters to end up in jail. Believe me, the left would like nothing better than to do that. Remember, it’s the other side that owns the FBI, DOJ, FEC, courts, police, media, etc etc etc. But we still have a CONSTITUTIONAL right to KEEP AND BEAR ARMS and the Founders put that in the Bill Of Rights for a reason …. to keep us a “free state” … to prevent our liberty from being stolen out from under us by ANY corrupt administration, left or right, bent on establishing tyranny. So maybe it’s time we employed that right to make a statement they cannot ignore, rather than just swallowing more hopium?
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Want to win against someone or something that cheats? Simple. Learn to cheat better.
We should have been harvesting ballots in PA for Rs. If its legal, do it.
To get the most obvious out of the way, a lot of people are yelling “fraud.” Some hinky stuff happened, and apparently we’ll have to put up with that forever, because the electorate does not insist on clean, efficient elections even after states like Florida prove it’s possible.
Fraud doesn’t explain nationwide results, though. Better to consider that Dems took advantage of the pandemic to loosen voter rules to an absolutely insane degree, and they are absolute masters at harvesting what we might politely refer to as the “indifferent” voter.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1590336672130105344.html
And this perfectly illustrates my mantra of dumb people shouldn’t vote.
Ballot harvesting is election fraud! That article is bogus.
Not in states where it’s legal.
The mass of those campaign ads demonizing republicans are also part of the democrat strategy. You’re supposed to think that those ads must have convinced lots of people that your favored candidate was so bad that he or she lost votes.
What’s really going on is that their ads are fodder for having you believe that it wasn’t the harvested and collected ballots at all. Well, golly, the huge money spent on ads must have worked. NO! Just another way the leftist crooks use to make you rationalize and accept the fraud!!
Good grief, they are devils!!
The money for those ads goes to the media corporations to pay them for their continued support of biden and his destructive policies. Win Win for them. Once you see it you can never UNSEE it.
Ain’t that the truth!
Barb is 100% correct! Trump was right, the MSM is a threat to democracy.
Indeed!
so, conservatives need to focus on winning the elections to supervisor of elections and secretaries of state. We also need to elect state legislatures and governors who will ban or at least limit mail-in ballots. In Florida, registered voters have to request a mail-in ballot, it has a bar code, name and address on the envelope used to return the ballot, and has to be physically signed by the registered voter. There is no wholesale mailing of ballots to all registered voters, such as appears to be the case in CA and other states mentioned in your article.
“so, conservatives need to focus on winning the elections to supervisor of elections and secretaries of state. We also need to elect state legislatures and governors who will ban or at least limit mail-in ballots.”
And just how are you going to do that in most states … where they already control the elections?
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There have been sightings of trucks dropping off ballots at midnight. Not normal. Do not understand why the so called Republicans do not fight back. Probably an agreement with the Dems.
One would think that the RNC would be monitoring the sites. But then maybe those in control are not interested.
Maybe? They’re already part of the UNIPARTY.
Would not surprise me.
The system is broken, if you don’t fix it, it will get much worse.
How did that work out for the Stacy Abrams machine in Georgia?
You know, I think Abrams was starting to be a liability for the party of demons. The obvious hypocrisy of her never conceding her last election made it hard for the demoncrats to continue bellowing about election deniers on the other side “putting our democracy in DANGER!!” I know there are many demoncrats who’ve claimed election fraud, but they weren’t running. She was. And she is pretty high-profile. Maybe she needed to go to make the memory-holing easier? Idk, just a thought.
I think they had a hard time out cheating the vote for the entire state.
“We’ve got an interesting story breaking down. The difference between ballots and votes. Sundance over at conservative tree house, one of the smartest guys around, has done this analysis.”
— Steve Bannon, War Room Ep. 2290, Nov. 9, 2022
https://rumble.com/v1t1j78-episode-2290.html
The Chicago Way. And ACORN. These are one two of Obama’s worst legacies. Brought both inside the US election system. A product of the former, a community activist for the other.
Chicago Way elections infamous for fraudulent ballots. ACORN infamous for ballot harvesting and voter intimidation. When ACORN was disbanded at the beginning of his first term they didn’t go away. They were brought inside state and local election offices across the nation. Red and blue. To subvert elections everywhere they could get a beachhead.
Election fraud was the usual and ordinary variety before 2009 in most jurisdictions. Not enough to change many outcomes. Different story by 2020. Getting worse. National voting rights, consent decrees, all the outside “assistance” for voters is ACORN and Chicago Way inspired. Federalized.
So…we know they do this and they still get away with it. They collect the ballots and then…change the votes or fill in the votes? Whatever…isnt this illegal? And if it is and nothing is ever going to be done about it, then elections are pointless. The system sucks! I have no trust in this system anymore. But, if illegal; then who or what entity brings this down? Anyone with the backbone to standup to the infiltrated system and legally hold people and groups accountable? The courts? The Supremes? I doubt it. These organizations have been infiltrated too. Yes…even the Supreme Court. It’s part of the system! Do you actually want me to beleive that they still don’t know who leaked the Roe vs Wade thing from the Supreme Court? They know! And it was done on purpose and was probably one of the justices themselves…probably the rhino chief justice himself! Point being…they want us to believe the system works for us…it does not. It was installed and is for their benefit only…with an illusion that it’s for us. I was saying this before the elections and still saying it now. It’s going to take something other than rigged elections for us to get our country back. There has been one man in my recent memory that has stood up before and when no one else would. He is the most hated and harassed person by the government ever. And he loves this country, our military, our freedoms, our Constitution, and the patriots of this nation! There is MAGA….and then there is the swamp. There are not two parties. This is done and gone. You have the DC swamp rats and their party of elites….and you have MAGA PATRIOTS.
This is becoming clearer and clearer as this moment in our history reveals itself.
Boom. Very well said.
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I have watched the paid for gatherers of “votes” for years – every single one of them do not “work for a living,” are paid in their minds a handsome amount for each elderly, uningaged, dead, fictional, one time resident, etc. that they turn in a ballot for. I thought that this was illegal in the places I lived, but seems as if Soros and Zuckerberg found that bribery and election interference doesn’t have anything to do with their model. Hard to chalk it up to any one thing, but certainly that 100,000s of thousands of grifters with law degrees and how they practice it is a good tell.
Not that it would do much, but report them. To the authorities, to the media, to the Internet! Nonstop exposing voter fraud over and over until it finally sets in and America does something substantative about it. Never quit, our freedom depends on it.
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1. Election Day is a national holiday.
2. Voter ID
3. Paper ballots.
4. Ballots are counted by the National Guard with a rep from each party present.
5. Results by election night.
3. Paper ballots in person.
Such a simple solution but Democrats will fight tooth and nail against it because they are very aware of the advantage fraud gives them. Never give up.
On our side though, it would have to be a MAGA rep, not a RINO rep.
Game over. God wins. Enjoy… https://rumble.com/v1socf0-pbd-podcast.html
Sundance, after the election on Tuesday you may have to get your GRAPHICS guy to update the US map fo Florida! At least we are making progress……Cheers!
This is genius. In the last election I ran, I focused 80% of our money on grabbing the reluctant by the nape of the neck, and dragging them to the polls. Your positions on issues is of little matter as the vast ocean of people do not pay attention. Had it been a mail-in ballot state, I would have gone thru the apartment buildings to get the ballots. Turnout is everything, and now turn out is defined as mail-in ballots.
We’ll put. We are a 50-50 nation now. Persuasion avails little anymore. It’s all about turnout, turnout, turnout.
Sadly the USA has devolved into the 3rd world banana republic run of, for and by the oligarchs and self-declared elites. The institutional globalist left over played their hands on this one and one but a pyrrhic victory as evidenced by the recent election of JD Vance to the Senate. What the elites and globalists of the coasts still do not understand is that America is still a lot more ‘redneck’ than they could ever imagine, and as still as they can ‘cling to their God and guns, the left can never win. The Founders saw all of this coming.
What does this mean? Democrats are too lazy to go to the polls these days, that mail-in ballots have changed the way our Democracy functions, or both? Honestly, after watching election for the last 50 years, its bulls@#$%. Covid should not be allowed to change the political landscape and voting process forever. It is way to susceptible to fraud and that is the reason Democrats are hell-bent on expanding it and at the same time, not allowing improved transparency and security to secure the vote and ensure it is fair. THAT and their lies about it will be the end of Democracy!
It means most of the country is a crime scene and if you try to expose it the DOJ will hinder it.
10:15 AM EST, Nov 10…Sundance and this article, another shoutout from Steve Bannon on The War Room
https://rumble.com/v1j1h4t-warroom-live.html
To CREATE ballots and to DISPOSE of unwanted ballots.
We need to vote on election day – we need to hand count – stop all the BS
In person voting, with ID, paper ballots, one election day to vote.
Gotta like that pic of Biden and Karl Childers.
I see this as little more than a continuation of the perennial Republican problem: they got NO ground game.
Used to be on election day the democrats would ferry democrat voters to the polling places to make SURE they voted, while Republicans just sat around and hoped all their campaigning would pay off. Now, instead of driving voters to polling places, democrat vans haul boxes of pre-marked democrat ballots to drop boxes.
Welcome to 21st Century American elections. Republicans can cry about it, or get off their backsides and participate. It’s a new day. Is that coffee I smell?
Ballots versus Votes as seen on Edison’s graphs:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/42iQxLKqmEzf/
This just in …
https://gellerreport.com/2022/11/ballots-vs-votes.html/
More like, if the Republican party did a better job countering Dems. Roe vs Wade messaging.
Gen Z came out strong, of which the GOP didn’t have an answer.
And this is because most of the GOP is from the stone age.
FACT.
So what happens when the collective will of the American people is so consistently thwarted? It can’t be good…
It’s true that’s why democrat like mail in votes
Remember whatever democrats fight for is bad
What the Dem’s have mastered is illegal manipulation of phantom and ghost ballots using inflated and inaccurate voter roles. Two wrongs don’t make a right.
It is in fact …just that simple. This is a profound concept not heretofore recognized, and therefore not implemented, by Republicans but successfully utilized by the Dems. To verify the absolute success of this alternative view on the impact of votes versus ballots, one need only observe the repudiation of the putative Republican Red Wave (even Tsunami) that quickly degenerated into a pathetic Red Ripple. To ensure future success, it is imperative Republican leaders immediately implement this change requiring a necessary shift of party politics’ mechanics and ideology. For some, possibly most, this would require a paradigm shift of tectonic proportions. Although simple to implement, this may be a hill too high for our Republican leaders who have repeatedly invested heavily in resources, time and effort to ultimately maintain a demonstrably failing and arcane political voter-outreach ideology. Can this be accomplished…yes, it’s a simple, winning and necessary transition. However, without this necessary and immediate change of votes versus ballot ideology, we soon may be looking back to the “good old days” of the Red Ripple.
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Thank you. This was my first post ever. Learning the rules.
Michigan just entrenched mail in ballots, remote collection boxes and no request absentee ballots into its constitution. It’s never going away.
Yes, perfectly Stalinist.
He famously said he didn’t care how they voted, he cared who counted the votes.
These ballots are MANUFACTURED……the WORD IS FRAUD!!!
gathering votes is unpredictable. Cheating seems to be far more successful. which one do you think they will take.