As the political discussion centers on the 2022 wins and losses from the midterm election, one thing that stands out in similarity to the 2020 general election is the difference between ballots and votes. It appears in some states this is the ‘new normal.’
Where votes were the focus, the Biden administration suffered losses. Where ballots were the focus, the Biden administration won.

Perhaps the two states most reflective of ‘ballots’ being more important than ‘votes’ are Michigan and Pennsylvania. Despite negative polling and public opinion toward two specific candidates in those states, Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer and Pennsylvania Senate candidate John Fetterman achieved victories.
Whitmer and Fetterman were not campaigning for votes, that is old school. Instead, the machinery behind both candidates focused on the modern path. The Democrat machines in both states focused on ballot collection and ignored the irrelevant votes as cast.
Since the advent of ballot centric focus through mail-in and collection drop-off processes, votes have become increasingly less valuable amid the organizers who wish to control election outcomes. As a direct and specific result, ballot collection has become the key to Democrat party success.
The effort to attain votes for candidates is less important than the strategy of collecting ballots.
It should be emphasized; these are two distinctly different election systems.
The system of ballot distribution and collection is far more susceptible to control than the traditional system of votes cast at precincts.
A vote cannot be cast by a person who is no longer alive, or no longer lives in the area. However, a ballot can be sent, completed and returned regardless of the status of the initially attributed and/or registered individual.
While ballots and votes originate in two totally different processes, the end result of both “ballots” and “votes,” weighing on the presented election outcome, is identical.
While initially the ballot form of election control was tested in Deep Blue states, through the process of mail-in returns under the guise and justification of “expanding democracy,” a useful tool for those who are vested in the distinction, I think we are now starting to see what happens on a national level when the process is expanded.
The controversial 2020 election showed the result of making ‘ballots’ the strategy for electoral success. Under the justification of COVID-19 mitigation, mail-in ballots took center stage. Ballot harvesting by Democrat operations was one term for the outcome.
Democrat party officials and political activist groups knew how to exploit the opportunities within the new system of ballot distribution and collection, and when you combine that with a massive legal pressure campaign to accept any and all forms of ballots, well, you can see how they are dependent.
Now that ballot collection has been shown to be a much more effective way to maintain political power, Democrats in a general sense are less focused on winning votes and more focused on gathering ballots.
When ‘ballot organization’ becomes more important than ‘vote winning,’ you modify your electoral campaign approaches accordingly. It might sound simplistic, but inside the distinct difference between ballots and votes you will find why refusing debates is a successful strategy.
If you are trying to win votes you could never fathom campaign success by refusing to debate an opponent. However, if your focus is centered around ballot collection, the debate is essentially irrelevant.
It’s time for voters to start seeing the difference between elections decided by ballots and elections decided by votes. Perhaps the 2022 midterm election will awaken people to the two completely different electioneering systems.
You can vote at any scale you want. However, when ballots are more important than votes – the election will always favor the former.
Michigan and Pennsylvania voters are likely very unhappy today, while Michigan and Pennsylvania ballot providers are smiling.
If Democrats had to win individual ‘votes’ to gain election success, they would be at a disadvantage. As long as Democrats only need to gather ‘ballots’, they have a path to winning elections. The processes of electioneering are all modified accordingly.
Campaigning, advertising, promoting, debating, hand-shaking, crowd attendance and venues for rallies, along with physically meeting people and convincing them of your worth, are only important if you are trying to win votes. Fortunately for Democrats, modern electioneering via ballot collection does not require these arcane efforts. So, in the larger picture of what you now see in elections, Democrats have stopped wasting time doing them.
Republicans are running around trying to convince people and win votes. Meanwhile, who needs voters? Democrats have skipped all of that old fashioned stuff and modified all of their electioneering systems to quietly and efficiently collect ballots. Yesterday you saw the outcome.
Haven’t you noticed?
It really is that simple.

Damn – the truth hurts!
“Conservative republicans” at the state and national level do not care if the Dems cheat and win. These “conservative republicans” are actually democrats. They support the same policies and positions. Its one big team.
Most Republicans are Progressives, not conservatives. But then again, so are their supporters.
The political perversion of the word(s) is 90% of the issue.
I feel like this country is already over and all we’re living through is the “pacification effort”.
The assimilation continues
“Resistance is futile”?
An enlightening post. Thank you (again!) Sundance.
Great explanation Sundance. Thank you.
Is there a list by state that allows mass mail in ballots (like IL). Also where harvesting in not illegal?
Would be good to overlay 2022 results on top of this to further explain this to the majority of voters
Beyond the ballot proof, there are tons of real humans who voted live yesterday and think the Demonicrats are doing great. Just look at any exit poll anywhere 70-90% of these sheep think country is doing great, no inflation, crime not issue, border is fine…
Vote harvesting is legal in Washington State – world leader in election fraud.
Here I’ll say what everyone else is too cautious or intelligent to say
It’s fraud. Just like last time.
Like when we saw truckloads of ballots dropped off in the middle of the night in Georgia in 2020.
Just like the secret vote switching algorithms in the forensically unauditable Dominion machines.
That happened again last night.
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We can exclusively report that the City of Detroit was handling and beginning to process more ballots at 1:22AM on election night.
Where did these ballots come from?
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/11/go-suspicious-ballots-arrive-way-legal-deadline-detroit
Denninger describes a very difficult to cheat election system which is why it will never happen!
The GOPe had all three branches and nothing changed.
What does that tell us?
https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=247384
Publius 2.0: It Feels Like We Are Watching the First Wholly Manufactured Election in Our History in Which All Key Competitive Races Were Programmed By Langley
It seriously feels like we are watching the first wholly manufactured election in our history, in which all of the key competitive races have had the results directly programmed by Langley.
Americans are suffering through the most crushing economic conditions, rampant crime, reckless foreign/nuclear war flirtations, most aggressive perverse assaults on family and parental rights in history, all topped off by an embarrassing unpopular disaster in the White House leading a shrill, tin-eared bellicose fascist junta that appears indifferent to the ordeal they are inflicting on working people.
And yet the Democrat monolith is barely dented.
Either the country has large states filled with brainwashed zealots who are too stupid and mindless to comprehend the reality of the collective damage they are ratifying with votes for at best lackluster at worst appallingly unimpressive if not foolish candidates….
or we are seeing direct black box voting manipulation.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/11/publius-2-0-feels-like-watching-first-wholly-manufactured-election-history-key-competitive-races-programmed-langley/
No “either/or.” Only YES on both counts. The country is filled with stupid, ignorant, willfully blind, lazy people, on “both” sides, AND the “voting machines” are totally, absolutely pre-programmed black boxes.
So. What is the real solution? Poll working and watching is futile. We know honest paper ballots with open, uninhibited supervised counting by human beings, will never come back.
Do we REALLY NEED this? Really? NEED “voting”?
Why? If only because it’s “democratic,” and enshrined in “our” government as sacred writ, what’s the point?
Do you REALLY NEED to be “governed” by your ostensible “betters”? Why? What, exactly, is sacred about being ruled by human government?
Did you know the direct meaning of the word “government” is “mind control”? Yeah. How ’bout that!
And it WORKS, too!!! And INEVITABLY gets bigger and worse the longer it’s allowed to exist.
Why do we allow it? Really?
If you’re a Christian, this Bible passage should be pertinent: 1 Samuel 8
If you’re a Christian, this Bible passage should be critically, honestly translated and understood correctly: Romans 13:1-7.
It’s NOT what you’ve been snookered to believe.
And God had nothing to do with “establishing” ANY human government. Simply, God is a gentleman, and gives you what your heart truly desires, whether to be exclusively ruled by Him or by fellow sinners.
As a big fan of etymology, I must disagree that government means “mind control”. At first it sounds plausible, given ” ment” as the root of “mental” and derivatives. But it’s just not so, in reality.
https://is.gd/kQVaGs
(wordreference dot com link)
-ment
suffix forming nouns
indicating state, condition, or quality: (enjoyment)
indicating the result or product of an action: (embankment)
indicating process or action: (management)
Etymology: from French, from Latin -mentum
No offense.
Please, none taken.
The etymology isn’t complete, but even that doesn’t really change the meaning of the word “government,” does it?
So, what is “government,” and what is it about?
There’s a very good lecture dealing with this etymology at YouTube at this link:
After reading the description and watching the video, what are your thoughts? Perhaps modern popular dictionaries may not be altogether forthcoming about the deeper origins and meanings of many words we’ve been conditioned to take for granted? One would wonder why that might be.
The fact is pretty clear that government(s) are instigated to facilitate for a single person or very few people, relative to the greater number of people “under” them, to control, to rule, those people. That can only be accomplished if they have minds that might otherwise object . . .
Simply, “government” means a few people ruling others, yes?
Why do we need to be “governed”? Who says, and why?
Everywhere in the NT that obeying the governing authorities is commanded, it is accompanied by a description of an authority that “punishes evil and commends good”….. and of course, “good and evil” as defined by God Almighty Who established the authority, not as defined by the human authority itself…
I do not know why I have never heard a sermon that includes this point…
Because it might cause otherwise docile and unquestioningly obedient people (falsely!) loyal to their rulers, to object and “disobey” the evil inherent in “government”? 😉
Please look up the articles, “Rights, Liberties, and Romans 13,” by Paul Green; “If Men Were Angels: The Basic Analytics of the State versus Self,” by Robert Higgs; The Early Christian Attitude to War, by John Cecil Cadoux; “Theology Doesn’t Begin and End with Romans 13,” by Norman Horn; “Romans 13: New Testament Theology of the State,” by Norman Horn; “Matthew 22: Render to Caesar,” by Norman Horn (found at https://libertarianchristians.com/get-started-here/ — a treasure trove of authentic Christian thinking).
The New Testament writers never intended Christians to be obedient to and complicit with governments/rulers like Nero, Caligula, Hitler, Lenin, or Stalin, for instance.
Acts 5:29 was never repudiated by any NT writer at any time.
And when serious persecution broke out, instead of rising up in violence against the authorities, they pulled up stakes and moved away, many times starting their own communities in the midst of surrounding authoritarian, pagan, cultures. They conquered for Christ by word and example, never by “compromising” or armed rebellion. They never tried to force other people to do what they wanted them to.
The main reason Christians have become so amenable to even the worst evils in our very midst is because most of our pulpits and seminaries/universities are wholly given over to the rulers who allow them to fool their flocks.
If American “churches” couldn’t get 501(c)3 “charitable exemptions” for taxes, do you think they’d still have pulpits and flocks to fleece?
People don’t actually independently read and study the Word of God; they mostly depend on “leaders” — pastors, priests, scholars, Bible study curricula, to tell them about the Bible and what it means, as they “learn” select passages, isolated and incomplete, out of context and meaning. This is why so much Scripture gets abused and twisted out of all Christian meaning.
Hosea 4:6 — [The LORD says] “My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge.”
Maybe 8-10 years ago, a man-on-the-street interview revealed that 54% of college students couldn’t identify Florida on an unlabeled map of the USA.
A couple of years ago, college students were asked to name one of the “Founding Fathers”.
“Lewis Columbus” was as close as any of them got.
“I didn’t study history much” was the most common answer.
I read that the 18-29 year-olds stopped the red-wave by voting for Dems by 38%.
This is the latest generation coming out of the brainwashing mills we call “public education”.
How many places had more ballots than eligible voters? Like Detroit in 2016?
Great night for criminals – in office and on the streets. Schumer, Hochul, and Letitia James …. BECAUSE CRIME IS KING WHERE STUPIDITY SING. The same people who voted for John Fetterman were praised by Pennsylvania House Democrats for re-electing a dead guy.
“While we’re incredibly saddened by the loss of Representative Tony DeLuca, we are proud to see the voters to continue to show their confidence in him and his commitment to Democratic values by re-electing him posthumously. A special election will follow soon.”
Because of that remark, I would say stupidity reigns in Pennsylvania.
A Leftist hack already said something about Uncle Festermann running for President.
Pedo-Joe hid in his basement and “won”? So…
We had about 2 to 3 dozen volunteer poll watchers here in South Dakota, including me that republican candidates recruited. Whether or not the Democrats or independents had any I don’t know. There can be up to 3 poll watchers at each poll here in South Dakota, one for each party. Maybe it helped maybe it didn’t.
Do know that there were over 100,000 mail-in voters a couple of days prior to the election. According to South Dakota’s Secretary of State there are 578,655 registered voters in South Dakota. So that means around 18% of South Dakota’s registered voters used mail-in voting.
On top of those stats, it seems that during the 2022 primary there were over 4,000 people just in Pennington County who were registered and living at Walmart…. Hmmm I never knew that Walmart rented out rooms/apartments and/or ??? FYI Pennington County 2021 population was 111,806 with 28,000 under the age of 18.
Yes, it is suspected that there was more than just some fraud in the 2022 South Dakota primary.
I will go a step farther. Not only is it fraud, but those who are installed in office by these methods are illegitimate office holders and their power is null and void on its face.
We all are trying hard to keep our chins up but the steal is so in the face that anger grows.
Not sure we should keep our chins up, civilized is not a compliment when your willing to let go of your freedoms to criminals. Ask the “native Americans” about civilized.
We can all live in peace as long we have laws that apply to all. But when we see criminals running our country peace is not necessarily our goals. Is this the American way? If so then our country was built on what we have now, tyranny.
This.
You are correct that what we have now is tyranny. This election was s a repeat of 2020 and I remembered reading this which fits my mood.
I AM DONE – The Burning Platform
Actually, I think where we are headed will be variations of V for Vendetta and The East. Both movies had individuals fighting back against big pharma and corporations.
Why is it so easily forgotten that this nation was originally built on a voluntary coalition of 13 individual nation states?
If we were really sincere and honest about this current stupid, dangerous, criminally murderous situation, we’d be seriously, continuously, unrelentingly, uncompromisingly seeking the very thing written into the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights: SECESSION!!!
There is NOTHING “anti-American” about secession. It is the very foundation of America! The Revolutionary War was the War of Independence FROM, SECESSION FROM, England! Why is that forgotten? Why is it avoided? Why is it denounced and rendered unthinkable?!
Do you know several NORTHERN states moved to secede from “the union” (note: no capitalized “U”!) before any southern state ever did? Do you realize our sainted President Abraham Lincoln TWISTED, ABUSED, and LIED (yeah, good old “Honest Abe”!) about secession?!
And here we are. Moaning and groaning about a corrupt, lying, cheating, thieving, rapacious, murderous, and thuggish government we just don’t understand for our growing inability to change it for the better in any way.
When the solution is peaceful, logical, AND legal and totally AMERICAN!!!
All the brave men and women who have fought in, been irreparably mangled in, died for during various battles in the name of America: is THIS “government” what all that blood, treasure, and honor was spent for? A fairy tale, after all?
Where really are all the “critical thinkers” who can think out of the box?
You are 100% correct, but when this legitimate right was exercised by free people in the mid 1800’s the central government declared war on them and thus the history of the Civil War.
The feds care not about what is right, true or good…. only what preserves their power. It was true in Lincoln’s time and it is true now….
Power corrupts.
The other side cannot be convinced by any number of facts to dissuade them from a borderless country with rampant inflation and historic problems.
Here’s what’s wrong : Democrat spin versus video – My experience at the 2022 midterm election
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2022/11/democrat_spin_versus_video_my_experience_at_the_2022_midterm_election.html
Election Day is what we need!!!
National holiday, a cut off ahead of last day to apply for absentee ballot for notification of travel for business, businesses that want to stay open must give employees 4-hours (longer if long lines) to vote
And ABSOLUTELY NO SAME DAY REGISTRATION (for new voters) and NO CHANGES TO CURRENT REGISTRATION on election day (change of address, change of name). That may disenfranchise a lot of people, but damnit! It’s election integrity we are trying to maintain/get back! We know for weeks an election is coming (ads, commercials, signage along roads, flyers in mail, etc.) and the MORNING OF ELECTION DAY it dawns on too many people that they need to register or make a change to their registration detail (address and/or name).
If a person has moved or changed a name and their bank knows where they are, as well as their credit card company, their utilities providers, Amazon shipping, etc–but in the mix is NOT the voting registration office cuz it’s just not a priority until that one day in two or four years when there’s an election??
Why are these folks allowed to tie up lines at the polling stations, taking precious minutes away from correctly registered voters to check in and vote??? Isn’t this also disenfranchisement of the responsible and prepared voter???
As a precinct chief judge, I’ve seen it happen: it can take many minutes to register/make changes to a voter registration, and if you don’t get to them with a registration card to fill out while they stand in line, when they get to the check-in clerk, they fumble around for a photo ID and/or a mailed document or something on their phone that links their name to their address (phone bill, bank statement, etc.). FUBAR. In all honesty: yesterday, I sometimes had just as many people in line filling out registration cards as new voters or just address/name changers as I did voters whose information was correct/current and breezed through check in.
If I were king for a day, my response to these folks would be: no changes allowed on election day, no exceptions. (you know, the way we used to do it). Update or change registration tomorrow, but you can’t vote today. Come around again the next election–by then, maybe you will have learned to take voting seriously, not treat it as a convenience, and be more courteous of your neighbors waiting in the voting queue who DID have all their ducks in a row.
This is NOT an argument for a national ID card, ala Germany. Lord NO! What a can of worms that would be for us but a dream come true for power-hungry elected officials and their sycophant supporters. It’s simply a plea for CITIZENS to take responsibility for themselves before, out of convenience, we all become disenfranchised SERFS.
(Can you tell I had a LONG, FRUSTRATING DAY as chief judge yesterday?? 😉
RE-read what Sundance wrote. It’s over unless we can stop the dems and their ballot collecting and manufacturing schemes. Ballots are the new way to win elections , flooding the election with orchestrated ballot collection and ballot counts. Voters come in last or rather, NOT AT ALL!. Campaigning is no longer needed except as a feckless show. It’s Kabuki theatre for the unenlightened.
Tough to read. Tough to realize. Tough to accept. I am filled with anguish!!!!
*Dead Democrat wins landslide victory in Pennsylvania.
*Big leads in the polls vanish into defeat.
*All toss up House races go to Democrats.
*Voting machines in Republican districts break down.
*Judge refuses extending voting in Maricopa resulting in disenfranchisement.
I could f@#$ing go on….
Like how a 15 point lead for Oz evaporated in the span of 3 hours?
Hmmm what could that be?
I guess it’s just the “DEMOCRATIC PROCESS”
It’s clear why the voters elected a power hungry sociopathic stroke victim fair and square.
No cheating obviously, I mean we all know you can’t rig voting machines with secret tabulation algorithms that delete themselves from the EEPROM memory chip and leave no trace.
The fact that Oz called Fetterman to concede the race without a fight tells you everything you need to know about Oz. He was going to be a POS rino letting voters down anyway. You have a better chance of the cyborg malfunctioning and accidentally voting with the republican party than you do for Oz casting a vote helping American taxpayers!
The fraud was massive, just like in 2020. Any candidate who doesn’t stand up to fight it and demand answers didn’t deserve the win anyway!
after the report of over 270,000 excess absentee ballots issued in Allegheny County alone warranted a fight and he just folds like the cheap suit he represents
what is the source of this data?
That graph isn’t votes, it’s betting. PredictIt is a betting site. The graph illustrates/proves nothing other than betters’ sentiments. It’s not evidence of fraud.
F S, you are quite observant.
If election software is being hacked and or programmed unlawfully, why not do the same to betting sites knowing that it’ll be payday for your crew?
Hedging bets is quite brilliant when you know the software algorithm results before the polls even open.
I think it is the Democrat Process. Actually, it is the Uniparty Process.
…. well… it’s a voting curve… move along, nothing to see here…
Does it seem odd to anyone else that ballots are becoming as plentiful and useless as our fiat currency?
Oh those ballots are not useless at all; they are increasingly VERY useful – to the corrupt and controlling incumbent Ruling Class Uniparty.
And the Ronna Romney-led RNC will do nothing about it.
Yes they harvested ballots. We knew they would. Why didn’t we?
They will next time, and until we start fighting the same fight we will continue to lose.
Adapt and Overcome.
Organize in every precinct in every town, every county, every state. Fight for every vote and every ballot.
We?
The alleged Republicans have known about ballot harvesting for a decade.
Why dont “republicans” do anything about it?
Why dont “Republicans” ballot harvest too?
Why dont “Republican” legislatures go back to same day voting and paper ballots?
If the “republicans” wanted to change things, they could. We have a one party system that is far more one party than you ever thought.
Why don’t we?
Because *we* are different than them. What makes us “conservative” is our belief in law and order. We follow the rules. *They* don’t.
When we start to not follow the rules, *we* become *they*. Cheating during an election simply is not in our DNA.
If *we* are going to be successful at saving this Country, *we* will need a different path forward than becoming *them*.
Agree, because all of our efforts and those we want to elect or do elect should be on correction of the current system of cheating by Democrats. If we put the same effort into not allowing the cheating by ALL means necessary we wouldn’t have to cheat like the Democrats do. There have been many efforts to show and prove the cheating by both politicians and individuals, if that wasn’t so we wouldn’t have all the data we have about the stolen election in 2020. If there is any effort we as ordinary citizens should be behind 100% with money, time or any other effort it’s supporting those who have collected the data and continue to fight in courts and otherwise to correct what’s happening. They are the front lines and I feel we’ve let them down miserably.
How about recognizing the reality of the irreconcilable differences between them and us and going for secession? It is THE American way. It is in the Declaration of Independence, and the Bill of Rights. It was the FOUNDATION of the War of Independence — FROM ENGLAND!!! Secession IS Truth, Justice, and The American Way!
Why not, exactly?
I like that idea. Not sure but I think Texas is the only state set up to become it’s own government. It is a sovereign state which had it’s own money system. I’ve researched this before because I think it is fascinating. There is more but here is one website which is very interesting. It’s all about the sovereign states in the U.S. and how some are studying secession.
It appears to be about ammo but I think that’s just where they get their financial support.
https://ammo.com/articles/sovereign-states-america-history-independent-states-joined-us-union#modern
Yes, thank you!
Would that Texas would have loved freedom enough to never have surrendered her sovereignty to the U.S. federal government!
Have you also read the book, Hologram of Liberty: The Constitution’s Shocking Alliance with Big Government, by Kenneth W. Royce, also known as “Boston T. Party,” author of Boston’s Gun Bible? Great survey of where we started and where we’ve wound up — and dealing with the history of Texas, too. And he’s written much more! I think you’ll enjoy Hologram, but if you care to, the others, too! There’s SO MUCH we’re not taught, and not encouraged to research and find out, too!
Peace, friend.
I think there was (maybe still active) a group working on Texas seceding from the Union. I think it is called TEXIT.
I think you’re correct!
Harvesting goes on in urban areas of minorities and immigrants. If the GOP sent harvesters into those hoods, they’d be lucky to come out alive
Very astute. The key thing is these are people who, if left on their own, wouldn’t vote. They are disinterested voters. They live in disfunctional cities where nothing every changes. My question is: what methods do they use to convince these people to fill out a ballot.
Union or gang thugs simply say “sign the envelope and give me your [blank] ballet”. Some may even give them $5 or $10 for it.
A modern version of the 20th century in say, Chicago, where the Ward boss would go through his neighborhood and get people to the polls, then buy them a drink afterwards
Dems have been at this for over a century in one form or another
There’s a point where the fraud runs against reality. If we start having gas rationing again soon it’s going to be a freight train ramming into a cliff.
The Organized Crime we are fighting is decades old and they have elevated cheating in elections to an art form.
And so . . . the solution is to stay under the thumb of the criminals?
“Government is a gang of thieves writ large.” — Murray N. Rothbard
Well, voting harder didn’t work. Next strategy?
More proof that your vote is meaningless, IT’S THE MACHINES!
IT’S THE BALLOTS!!!
Ballot elections also favor democrat dense urban areas where mass collection and harvesting is easy.
Maybe we need to ballot harvest in those areas and then throw the ballots away.
As a Canadian only observing these midterm elections from the outside, specifically in PA, much as I do not like Oz, I am in disbelief Fetterman “won.” Also learned that during our last federal election our country relied on Dominion voting machines… what that tells me is our election might have been a steal as well.
Another Canuck who agrees
These last few years has been a crazy ride, eh my friend? Does not matter what part of North America we are in, the $%@! just stays the same or grows.
The nice thing about the country of Mexico is they are corrupt. And do not try to pretend.
It is good you are in disbeleif… because Fetterman did NOT win… he was installed by fraud by the very powers who are supposed to be upholding the law and have instead themselves become completely lawless…
Now, if our elections have become illegitimate…. and legitimate government has to be based on the CONSENT of the governed… then that makes our governments……?
If they’re installing people why do they chose someone like Fetterman?
Zippy the Pinhead is just a front. The play is to have Fetterman sworn in/seated then he announces his resignation. The governor – elect, Josh Shapiro, appoints his successor which will be Giselle Fetterman who is a WEF stooge.
I tried to explain this very thing to someone as they were “crawling out on the ledge” and going to jump. Told them in your gut you know who won, despite being told otherwise. I said the key is the pivot away from Trump as “irrelevant, time to move on from Orange Man Bad etc etc” and towards DeSantis, as Sundance has so clearly laid out these last few weeks.
Told them to take a few steps back and look at the bigger picture and see 1) who’s funding DeSanctimonius and 2) now that everyone on the right has pivoted and is dismissing Trump, they can go all in on DeSanctimonius. We ALL know there was a Red Wave last night, even the Stock Market knew there was going to be one and it’s corresponding drop today proves they anticipated it as well.
I’m afraid we are now in for a DeSantis/Noem ticket. Hope those good Fetterneck supporters in PA have lots of wood ’cause it’s about to get reeeeeeaaal cold this winter.
Biden/Harris = Blackrock
Desantis/TBD = Hedge Funds
Same Wall Street addresses and donor networks.
Outsourcing, globalization, interventionism, oligarchy.
Abortion, gun control, immigration.
Exactly. Prepare for the worst, don’t know if hoping for the best applies any more, and keep the powder dry until absolutely necessary.
Heads, they win. Tails, they win.
They should look into another booster shot to warm their cold, dark little hearts.
Just one? hahaha
Donald is smokin’ them out into the open. Going forward, what role will Pence, Haley, etc. play? The Uniparty had to pull out all the stops to stop the red wave. In doing so, they consolidated their efforts to promote DeSantis. They have nobody else.
Everyone knows the corruption around these midterms is off the chart. That said, maybe there is solace to be taken in the down ticket.
I agree 100% with you and as I asked my friend this morning to look me in the eye and tell me they believed this was an honest election and they couldn’t, because deep down they know it wasn’t. 75M of us know it and I’d like to believe even some on the other side have to be waking up and going WTF.
All I have to say is “Hello, good night everybody!”
This is mean but I hope they freeze.
Is it though? Given how they were giddy with anticipation at those that would lose their jobs because they wouldn’t take the Fauxci Ouchi? I don’t believe it’s mean to say that. They have brought this on themselves.
We have family members who voted for Fetterman, my wife, my sane calm, rock of my life wife is incensed by family voting for Fetterman and bragging online. I’m pretty sure they will be not welcome, it’s been an amazing transformation of her.
Buckwheat, what a blessing and a curse for you and your wife; and prayers to you both to stay strong as that will be a battle which I wouldn’t wish upon any family. That said…I’m “glad” to see this is what it finally took for your wife to realize what is upon what is left of our country.
Apocryphal, but all the same…
“If voting made any difference, they wouldn’t let us do it.”
~Mark Twain~
amen to that. No truer words have been spoken. Stick with Jesus.
Always, bonny. Our only Redeemer and Advocate.
Okay, so why don’t we, in reality? Where in all the Bible does Jesus Christ Almighty God endorse or establish human government over His people?
On the contrary, an honest reading, right smack there in OT, is 1 Samuel 8. Then in the NT: Romans 12 through 13. There is NO endorsement of human government over God’s people.
But yeah, there’s been plenty of self-serving misreadings and teachings of Romans 13:1-7. If you go back to the original meanings of the words for the various secular offices mentioned, you’ll see they have no bearing on God establishing or endorsing anything approaching human government.
Please look up the articles, “Rights, Liberties, and Romans 13,” by Paul Green; “If Men Were Angels: The Basic Analytics of the State versus Self,” by Robert Higgs; The Early Christian Attitude to War, by John Cecil Cadoux; “Theology Doesn’t Begin and End with Romans 13,” by Norman Horn; “Romans 13: New Testament Theology of the State,” by Norman Horn; “Matthew 22: Render to Caesar,” by Norman Horn (found at https://libertarianchristians.com/get-started-here/ — a treasure trove of authentic Christian thinking). I hope you enjoy these vitally pertinent articles to Christians in a fallen, secular world, Betsy — and all readers! I always appreciate your comments especially, Betsy.
Your friend in Christ, always.
Oh bless, Gray Cat. I do sincerely thank you for these reading suggestions which look extremely interesting and thought provoking.
Of course nowhere does the Bible that God is a political player. We are all the flock of our Shepherd, Jesus Christ. All…no delineation between parties or governments. It is a terrible mistake to think otherwise.
All governments on this earth are ephemeral. All governments fall eventually. There is only one Constant, unchanging. And it is our unchanging and eternal Father that we follow devotedly. All else is of the moment and will pass. I find incredible comfort in knowing this is so.
Every day without fail, Sepp, a commenter on The Open Thread which starts with The Lord’s Prayer, puts this simple, yet powerful prayer…
“My hope is the Father, my refuge the Son, my protection the Holy Spirit. O Holy Trinity, glory to Thee.” Just saying it, as I do several times a day, keeps me focused on the only certain thing in this life and the next.
All blessings to you, Gray Cat. You are very kind.
I love Sepp’s prayer, too.
Yet we keep following human government, deluding ourselves it’s “under God.”
How do you read the letter to the Hebrews in the NT? My plain reading is there is NO mediator between us and Jesus Christ Almighty God. None. No religious one, no secular one.
So why are we walking the broadway Jesus warned us about, rather than that narrow and difficult way of “No king but King Jesus!”? Is a “king” not the same whether President, Prime Minister, etc., in reality?
But thank you for considering the readings I listed. I do think you will find them very thought-provoking. And maybe if enough of us do, we might consider secession from the evil ones a most desirable and viable peaceable solution. Before it’s too late.
We are, after all, in the whole Word of God, commanded by Him to come out from among them, and separate ourselves from them and their ways.
That’s not to say we “shut ourselves away,” only that we choose not to participate in their ways, while being open to their sincere inquiries about OUR ways. As the secularists regard the Amish. The Amish have the right Christian posture. Yet we larger-culture Christian Americans eschew them. Why, do you think? 😉
And it is “our” government seeking to destroy them. Why, do you think? 😉
(No, I’m not a member of the Amish or Mennonite communities. BUT as a Christian knowing and understanding Scripture honestly, I DO appreciate them and the hard decisions they’ve made and are fighting to preserve. We could do FAR WORSE than to learn from and emulate them as far as their attitudes toward secular government is concerned. Otherwise, we are inexorably falling to our Satanic masters. Just because we are deceived to believe we need human masters over us, trusting that somehow they will be fair and humane and share our ideals, too. All history proves the opposite, no matter what label any human government wears.)
Always yours in Him.
I always pray our country returns to Almighty God…back to where we started in our America’s infancy. I sense we are making headway. Going forward, I do feel our troops will increase as life becomes harder. Faith and patience day by day that His will, not ours, is being accomplished…on His timetable and by His plan.
He works in mysterious ways, as you know…one day at a time🙏
Betsy, it’s not that I don’t have faith in God’s workings. It’s that I don’t have ANY faith in MAN’S workings.
Human governments are MAN’s, not God’s.
He works with, through, in, everything. But not everything is godly. And He leaves the choice of desiring Him alone to us. He honors those who honor Him, but He does not favor or bless or honor the things that do not honor Him. Human government is not His choice for us, nor does He honor it. He warns us against it. He does not honor our choice for it.
As Jesus said, as Peter reiterated, He staves off the End as much as He can so that every human being has the knowledge and time to make his own choices; when the last human being chooses Him against everything not Him, then the End comes.
We are not promised tomorrow. Why should we choose life becoming harder for everyone, when by our choosing Him over everything else, separating ourselves OUT of human rulership, those making THAT choice wouldn’t have to suffer harder and harder life?!
Our choices include everyone else. And as Christians, aren’t we supposed to make choices that help others, to alleviate unnecessary suffering? As He did for us on that cross? Isn’t that what we are still on this earth for, after coming to Him?
Yes, He does work “in mysterious ways.” But He also has let us know in concrete, black and white words, what we are supposed to do, what He expects of us, and that not mysteriously. Yes?
Means NOT working “inside” human government, but within Him, in the freedom He created us in, the freedom to be without human governments.
When Abraham prayed and argued with God about what to do with Sodom and Gomorrah, God promised no good and righteous people would be harmed. He kept His promise, but still brought down spectacular and horrible destruction on those two wicked cities. After He brought out of them those few people.
And Lot’s wife looked back. And she didn’t make it out, because she was leaving reluctantly. Her heart was still among her neighbors and friends in those human governments.
I’m trying so say we should not be like Lot’s wife. We need to obey Him alone, and come out of what we KNOW is sinful and wrong, and WILL NOT CHANGE, because it is a human endeavor. Sinful and fallen. It cannot be saved through good will, elections, putting “the right people” in place, and prayer.
Only prayer in His will does He hear and answer with a “Yes.” Human government is not His will (1 John 5).
One day it will be too late.
Put your faith in no man are wise words. As best we can, with all our faults, we try to walk in the ways of Christ. Thank goodness for his mercies and grace, two gifts I never take for granted. Ever.
Me, too.
Thank you, and as always, His best blessings to you!
I love that prayer. Repeating it gives me strength. Thank You.
You’re so welcome, Barb.
Jesus is ALWAYS on the ballot 👍
Eric Metaxas tweeted the following…
“FACT: It’s not that there is no evidence the election was stolen, but that no court had the guts to HEAR the evidence. They dismissed the cases, NOT the evidence. They refused to look at it, because the price of getting involved was too high. THIS is how evil destroys a republic.”
And this has always been my argument from 2020. He is right. Every court, including the Supreme Court, refused to defend this constitutional republic. All judges who had the chance to do what they swore to do, to protect this country as founded, demurred.
And in so doing, they signed our death warrant, and handed us over to demonic forces. I firmly believe this.
Cowards? Not fit for their jobs? Threatened? Complicit with the hideous ideology we now find ourselves subjected to? Or just plain incompetent…
Take your pick. The result is the same. Those judges shut the exits off back in 2020, locked the doors, and welded them closed for all time.
All my opprobrium is reserved for them.
Betsy,
You’re absolutely right.
By ignoring evil you become complicit and a part of the system, whether you want to or not.
Dietrich Bonnhoeffer had the first and last word on that.
In short, and an afterthought…judges have a duty to decide existential issues to our Republic…if they refuse to fulfill that duty, they are indeed the most complicit. And not fit to serve.
Hey, ya’ll, I’m reminded of one of Theodore Dalrymple’s many quotes –
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/124952-political-correctness-is-communist-propaganda-writ-small-in-my-study
Jeff, thank you for that link.
I became acquainted with this wise, articulate doctor/writer and his columns for the then splendid broadsheet The Telegraph (under the auspices of Lord Black, who was jailed by a democrat AG, released, then ultimately pardoned by President Trump). Unfortunately its fine quality is no more.
What a keen observer of the human condition he is. I devour everything he writes that I can find. Retired now and living in France (last I read), he is in declining health and has written about it.
Looking forward to reading this.
I’m familiar with this quote…one of his finest.
Funny you wrote that. I told a friend the other day I had a new appreciation for Twain because I used to think he was a little over the top with some of his quotes about politicians, but now I know he was a correct.
Oh yes…he knew…and because of President Trump, so do we.
And the RNC, GOP, R’s HAD EVERY OPPORTUNITY to remedy, cure, abate and resolve??
2Y for this to be resolved, IF a problem, an issue.
SO, WHO are we blaming??
dems?????????
Let’s be very real. it’s a republican problem
RNC, McDaniel, McCarthy, McConnell DON’T GIVE ONE DAMN.
Some battered conservatives think Kemp is a better option then Abrams.
Isnt it obvious they both play for the same team?
seems PRC prefers Kemp over Abrams at this point
Kemp, the election fraud denier who played a pivotal role in flipping GA blue and denying the rightful President his second term gets the nod.
Another one who won’t blame Dems. Ok then, I guess it’s all the fault of the victim 🙄
Blame the dems for what? NOt losing, always winning at all costs while every R concedes at the drop of a hat.
NOT FIGHTING. R’s NEVER FIGHT !
Blame dems all you want. I know they lie, cheat, steal, deceive, the party of the Clinton’s Biden’s, obama, kennedy’s, etc….CERTAINLY they do and will at every opportunity. WHEN have they EVER been held accountable and WHAT R has EVER CHALLENGED THEM?????
The only time they will be held accountable is at the final judgment when they stand before the righteous judge Jesus Christ. I believe at this point of time, God is using these wickedly corrupt Uniparty members as a hammer to judge our country. How else can you explain why God would keep letting them succeed in their plans.
Because WE keep letting “them” succeed in their plans.
We accept their terms and play their game, using their rules, which, of course, they do not obey.
The reason God “keeps letting them succeed in their plans” is because we follow and want human beings governing us, instead of God. God ALONE.
Not “Government under God.” There is no legitimate mediator between us and God. Especially not since Christ’s triumph over the fallen world.
WE want “government.” We don’t really want God.
God is a gentleman. He lets us have our desires and choices, even though they are ultimately against Him. He defines sin, and we choose it; He judges sin — our desires and choices not totally for Him.
It’s no wonder most of us who profess Jesus Christ Almighty God as our LORD and Savior will still be eternally saved in His presence only by the skin of our teeth! “Many are called, few are chosen.” Because our “hearing” has been skewed by the siren call of organization under human rulers “representing” Him.
There is only Him and our enemy. This is where we go astray. We mistake the usurper for the only KING.
We want to control our neighbor, hiding behind other human beings to carry out against our neighbor what we would never do in person. We want God’s control over our neighbor. But not over ourselves.
God never gave us permission for this. He calls it sin. Read and deeply consider the Ten Commandments. They are aimed ONLY at the reader. There is no command to “Go, and police your neighbor!” There is only “Thou shalt not;” “You shall not” kill, steal from, covet, take from, rule, your neighbor. Jesus’ Golden Rule is the same: for ONLY the reader/hearer: Treat your neighbor as you want to be treated. You have no right to impose anything on your neighbor except to treat him with respect, honor, and love. (Romans 12; 13:8-10)
Life could be so much better and simpler if we truly did love, honor, and obey our LORD and God alone. That we choose not to is not God’s fault, is it?
Getting rid of Trump and his deplorables was worth giving up the entire election system.
They don’t want to win.
You are correct. McConnell, McDaniel nor McCarthy give one whip that Trump lost nor did they help. Won’t next time either. THey love Cheney though. THey don’t like MGT though and would defeat her in an instant IF they could; but they can’t N Georgia ain’t going to let that happen.
Listen to Miller from Tucker’s show. WHEN did you see McConnell go national on a platform ON CRIME, IMMIGRATION, INFLATION WITH A PROMISE TO close the border, lock up criminals…..
You DIDN’T and IF you had, THEN you would have seen a red wave.
McConnell purposely DID NOTHING this election cycle and poured $millions into Alaska yet left Nevada and Az to rot on the vine, both very winnable.
Your post addresses the bottom line. Forget about the marxist democrats, they are going to lie, cheat and steal. It’s who they are. Our real problem for decades has been, and continues to be, republican representatives who do not represent those who elect them. Our entire focus should have been, and must be going forward to remove and replace the republican representatives who do not represent US. It should now be more clear than ever, that is the solution to our political problems. We are not going to change the marxist democrats. We can change the uniparty republicans. It will take time as very few republicans who are currently serving represent us, and all of them must be replaced. As a matter of fact most of them work against our interests. Replacing them is literally our only hope.
Replacing Republicans isn’t the answer. Ripping the guts out of Congress and start over.
Pro tip…Republicans are in on the steal.
When representatives don’t represent then there is no Constitutional Republic
Its not like they didnt warn us…..
And so, exactly what have the “victims,” the “Republicans,” the GOP done about it? They AREN’T “victims.” They aren’t even “enablers.” They are willingly and blatantly COLLABORATORS. They ARE “Democrats.” They’re ALL Marxists. They’re ALL anti-American. They’re ALL AGAINST YOU AND ME. ALWAYS, ALL WAYS.
It’s time that TRUTH and FACT is recognized, and YOU AND I stopped being their enablers!
It’s just what all human governments are. ALWAYS.
Ive been saying that all along. Not sure I know what you mean about being an enabler.
If all human governments are the same and all politicians lie its because we let them get away with it.
“If all human governments are the same and all politicians lie its because we let them get away with it.”
That’s the definition of “enabler.” We let them get away with it. We put them there. We enable them to do what they want with us. We always make excuses for them; we always claim (as the socialists and communists do about the failed socialist and communist states “defeated” in WII) “they didn’t do it right last time. We will do it right this time.” “We’ll just get the right people in this time.” “Vote ’em all out with our people!”
Yeah. Works every time! 😉
Still dont follow you.
Since July 2020 Ive been doing everything I know how to spread the word about the Fake Pandemic and its initial purpose to bypass election security and open the door to mass scale election fraud. So here we are…..What exactly do you say I am an enabler of?
What you are describing is not “you and I” It may have been you but definitely not me.
You are an enabler of human rulership — human government — over all of us. It didn’t start in 2020.
The mass election fraud started in 2020. Im not getting into the hundreds of years prior which got us here.
If we don’t know what got us here, understand it and then follow through to correct it now, how do you propose to do it?
“Elections” obviously aren’t the answer, and every cycle proves its obvious ridiculousness and futility.
And that’s the point: every CYCLE. When “we win,” exactly what does that mean? That we get to impose OUR desires on others? Is that the point?
The only moral end to this is to stop doing it. If it’s immoral and unethical for others to impose their desires on you, why is it moral or ethical to impose yours on them? Why not just let them have their way among themselves while we walk away and do something better, something actually moral and ethical — like respecting each others rights to be left alone and not ruled, coerced, robbed, and murdered?
OK
Lets say that the majority of the people in this nation shared the same values as you and I.
What would they do with that information? They would use the democratic process to vote for representatives with the same values. Right? Kind of like the way we did in 2016.
What Im saying is that the majority of people in this nation did do that in 2020 and 2022 but the democratic process was taken away from us officially in the 2020 election.
Do you see what Im saying?
Yes, I do see what you’re saying. I don’t agree with it. It is self-defeating; beating a dead horse, as the saying goes.
But do you understand that what I’m saying is we should recognize reality and choose secession? Get out of the slime and the mud and off the eternally revolving carousel.
The crime of 2020 will never be corrected. There is no end to the corruption of human government. It doesn’t matter who gets in.
Otherwise, with all the “corrections” of the past, where “our side won,” we should never have gotten to this point.
Do you see what I’m saying? I mean no offense. Just pleading for a reality check and the acknowledgement that we do NOT have to keep playing this losing game. And, why not?
Justice is in cutting off the criminal offense. It is not in perpetually letting the criminal repeat his crimes against us. Let us choose to be on the freedom side of the jail cell we should be letting them lock themselves in. And give them no keys, while we live our moral, ethical, good lives with our like-minded friends and neighbors. AWAY from the criminals. Not trying to make them cry “Uncle,” not paroling them, allowing ourselves to be perpetual prey. They can never be reformed. They will never be comfortably defeated. They will never be “accountable.” Just like sexual deviants. They can never be rehabilitated. They can only properly be locked away from us, they cannot be allowed to be in our midst. We must be separated from them. We must separate ourselves from them.
This is the reality of all history of all human governments. THIS one is NO different. 2020 will never be rectified. Even if Trump were to step into the WH as President tomorrow.
The fact is there is the next go-round. The next tomorrow. The problem is human government. The solution is NOT more human government.
Ok, you are saying that the crime of 2020 will never be fixed. I agree. If people dont know or want to admit the crime ever occurred, they will continue down the same path with the same results.
Secession would be great. Just need more people to realize there is no other alternative. In the meantime let everybody know the only alternative we had was taken away from us in 2020 so that they may come to the same conclusion.
I agree.
And I am cautiously encouraged: it does seem I see much more “chatter” across some platforms for secession(s). It CAN work, HAS worked successfully many time in the past.
There’s nothing legally, morally, ethically, practically to stop it. It’s the peaceful solution to mutual disagreements that do not need to escalate to violence — which otherwise it is building to.
Time to defuse the bomb and walk away from the madness. Let them have their lives, and us ours.
Much learning hath made thee mad. You’re going off on a tangent. Take a deep breath and reflect on what you’re proposing.
There may not be a MORAL or ETHICAL “end” to what we are experiencing.
Please say what is so awful about what I am proposing.
As long as there are fallen, sinful human beings, there will never be a moral or ethical end to life in this world.
But that is not an excuse not to strive to make it so, peacefully, respectfully, deliberately, freely, prosperously. And the only way ever to thwart and contain as much evil and sin as we can is to recognize it, disavow it, walk away from it, expose it, and be consciously better.
Is that a mad, tangential idea? It’s the idea the whole Word of God is based on, with examples we can, and if we claim Him, must follow. Yes?
Slight correction: “It’s no longer just about who gets to vote by a mail-in ballot. Or making it easier TO vote by a mail-in ballot. It’s who gets to SEND OUT, HARVEST, ADJUDICATE and COUNT those ballots.”
Doesn’t the Republican party know all the tricks? If not why not? Why is it that the DNC always knows how to win even when they have clearly the worst candidates with no track record, experience of achieving? This says a lot about the GOP as a whole, we are very good at losing. Joe Biden who can barely spit out a sentence can still get the Democrat Party over the finish line. I’m sorry President Trump should not even bother, if conservatives can’t muster the balls to even go out and vote in large numbers to overweigh the cheating and stealing…
Most of the GOP is in on it. Most all the Reds that won last night were Uniparty Rinos. Some more disguised then others.
MAGA Republicans were largely shut out.
The fake Pandemic changed everything leading up to 2020 and little has changed since.
All eyes on True The Vote
idiot
the GOP allows this sort of ballot stuffing. They allowed it this time to have propaganda against Trump.
that’s all that happened. This was the GOP stomping on enthusiasm for actual change. The Uniparty won again, regardless of red team or blue team
Like “heads” they win and “tails” we lose, got it, thanks!
It’s the mail in, harvesting and counting of those BALLOTS!!! Didn’t you read what Sundance wrote?!! The Demons have perfected their election fraud strategy. Biden said “WE HAVE TO MOVE THE PROCESS ALONG.” All states must have only mail-in ballots, for their election fraud PROCESS to MOVE ALONG.
Spineless GOP did 0 about voter fraud and security. Same as it ever was….
We all know they stole it….again. Nothing done about it. Yet again.
The abuse will continue, and will only increase, now that the abusers suffered no consequences. There is no shock in this household, that Dems cheated.
In a free and fair election, the left couldnt win dog catcher. Fraud is their golden parachute. I suppose when the majority have had enough, things might change.
I dont see that happening, and as SD has said, the absence of food will change everything. Not enough are starving…..yet.
The GOPe is not “spineless.” They are not “cowards.”
They are COMPLICIT.
As I have said a thousand times. After witnessing first hand fraud in the 2020 steal, until they fix the 2020 steal, WHY would ANYONE with a 1/2 brain cell think yesterday would be a fair election?????
No one thought that it would be a ‘fair’ election… it was a matter of whether we could overcome some of the fraud or not.
Silly rabbit, tricks are for democrats
Thanks Sundance. After last night I was thinking about the Uniparty, Trump, and the results. I can see how ballots are essential when you need to control the results due to the uniparty agreeing to the elections winners. The only red wave we seemed to see was in Florida and I wonder why? As Sundanace says follow the money. Mitch, big $ donors, and the establishment put their money and focus in Florida. And the candidates there won big and followed the polls or were better than the polls. By having a red wave only in Florida it only benefits DeSantis and his appeal and influence. The MSM, the establishment, and the uniparty can effectively say Trump lost his influence with voters so he should NOT run again. It was DeSantis who brought excitement and people out to vote Trump did not. But notice no one mentioned that the only Senator DeSantis endorsed lost and he was anti-Trump.
In some places like NY where polls were showing a closer race the Dems blew it out the water and to me they overplayed their hands.
Once you see the strings on the marionette you no longer able to unsee them
Florida also did not allow in the DOJ poll “inspectors”…. and has also dismissed corrupt election officials…. That is part of it as well…. it is not necessarily ALL nefarious, anti-Trumpsim as Sundance suggests.
Our country is dumber than what was portrayed in Idiocracy.
It is very broken. People in power wanted it that way, and they got it.
And how did those people in power get there?
What’s the bottom line, after all?
How do you think Fetterhead got there?
Honest answer to that question is the bottom line.
Because this sacred human government enabled it. Because Americans willingly ignore that no human government, not even this one, is sacred and above abolishing — it’s even in the Declaration of Independence! And in that document, it’s even stated that NO OTHER HUMAN GOVERNMENT MUST BE ERECTED IN ITS PLACE.
But Americans aren’t taught that. And Americans are discouraged — on “both” sides of the aisle — from doing their own critical reading, research, and understanding, that simple, tyranny-ending concept, and actually enacting it. THAT’S the bottom line: we are conditioned to want to control our neighbor from behind “government’s” guns. “Both” sides of that coin.
Do you honestly see it any other way?
I agree with that. All that being true however still is not enough.
What part of Biden Didnt Win do you not understand?
I understand it didn’t start with Biden Didn’t Win.
It has not ended with yesterday.
It will only end with secession FROM them. Let them have what they want. Within their own “government.” Without you and me. Let us begin again separate from them, without having to erect yet another human government OVER us.
Let each of us respect, honor, mutually associate with, or not, whomever we choose and will have us, mutually trade with, respect each others’ RIGHTS and PRIVATE PROPERTY inviolate.
Each of us with each of us. Not some “authority” with non-existent “rights” and powers and controls over us.
If you as an individual have no right to force anyone else to conform to your desires, nor they you, then it is IMPOSSIBLE for a group of men to have those rights, whether through “election” or willing subservience. You cannot give what you do not have.
That’s the bottom line.
It didn’t start in 2020, won’t end in 2120, didn’t start in 1776, won’t end in any future as long as some humans presume to rule, rob, and murder other human beings.
Is this not so?
I think the events of global decline of Western civilization started hundreds of years ago.
Im staying focused on a more recent catastrophic event/crisis which was manufactured years ago and implemented in 2020. Reason being is that if it not for that, Trump would still be President.
So . . . Trump is all in all? That’s it?
No, I never said that but at least America would be headed in the right direction for once.
No, you never exactly said that.
What makes you believe anything of any significance would actually change and be headed in the right direction, for once, if the criminality of the stolen 2020 election were overturned?
Effectively, what would really change? Especially with this latest election fiasco?
We both argue that the GOP is in lockstep with the evil Dems. And the logical result of that, EVEN if 2020 were overturned, is . . .?
Why do you want to be governed? Why do you want to impose your desires on anyone else? Why not let them have their way with themselves, while we go another way altogether? Why do we HAVE to remain in their malevolent, murderous system?
Who says? And why?
And dear Mass, I must leave for today. I truly wish no offense to you. You have given me a great discussion, a chance for me to express and champion another way of seeing this situation we find ourselves in, and of hope in finally implementing a much better, more moral and ethical way of being in a hopefully not too distant future.
Thank you for your kind time and consideration, and your willingness to entertain these ideas.
I hope you’re enjoying a lovely evening! Peace, friend.
Anytime GrayCat. Thank You as well. Good Night.
Things were headed in the right direction under Trump. Hence the Fake Pandemic and subsequent fraud.
Please excuse my contrariness, but no, the Fake Pandemic was never instigated just to get rid of Trump. It had been in the works since at least the 1970s. It was inevitable, given the evil people who first thought up viable means to rule the world, beginning at least in the 1600s.
There is a force in this world that wishes you and me dead, just because we are not members of it. What happened to Trump while this was launched would have happened no matter who was in the WH.
The resulting monumental criminal cheat of 2020, and then this latest “election” are only demonstrations of this ongoing determination to mass murder the “excess” population of the whole world. Not just here.
Trump was just a minor bump in the road to those evil Powers that Be.
And I hate to say it, but unless aware, righteous, moral, ethical, Christian, and their fellow upright travelers, rise up and en masse deliberately uncouple from this Satanic world system, these evil people will attain their ungodly goals.
Regardless of Trump.
Brawndo, it has what the plants crave!!
I could go for some Brawndo about now
30 million illegals is the reason Congress doesn’t care. 500k due to Covid are replaced by border crossers
Great analysis. Thank you.
Republicans control Penn legislature.
Exhibit A for why that party is a joke.
Act 77 was sheperded through the PA Senate by the then President of said body, Doug Mastriano.
This is why the epithet “eletion denier” has been drummed into MSM audiences. The stigma cows skeptics, and although I don’t put a lot of trust in most polls, when 80% say they don’t like the direction our country’s taking, it’s simply unbelievable – dare I say impossible – that election results would maintain the status quo. I truly believe the Democrats continue to hone widespread election fraud techniques. Revelations from 2020 have been instructive for them and they were more careful this time. I’m also inclined to believe it’s not just a superfluous number of ballots that account for any fraud but rather voting machine fraud at play — it likely much easier, cleaner and harder to come up with proof that’s taken seriously by the MSM — as if that could ever really happen.
They didn’t have to be careful. It was out in the open this time around, and only the states that reverted back away from mail in voting allowed for any republicans to challenge for important positions. And even in them – AZ and NV for example – the use of Election Day sabotage and mail in ballots to offset same day voter turnout persists.
Excellent article, sundance.
in MI, unfortunately even more bad news… the proposal PASSED that will now allow nine day voting, more drop boxes (one for every 15,000 people), and more.
One correction though, I think:
“You can vote at any scale you want, but when ballots are more important than votes – the election will always favor the latter”. Shouldnt this be “favor the former”?
I anticipate that the lame duck Congress will try to pass some kind of federalization election rights nonsense that mandates this type of voting nation wide.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they nuke the filibuster to do it.
Unconstitutional power grabs are no big deal anymore.
What Constitution? There’s a Constitution? 😉
Yeah.
Exactly what I tried to tell people in 2020. There may have been 83 million ballots with Biden filled in, but there weren’t 83 million live American citizens who voted for him.
Sundance has absolutely nailed it once again. His is the clearest, most concise explanation for the rigged elections we just experienced. THE DEMONRATS CHEAT. It’s that simple.
But why is it that the geniuses who run the GOP can’t figure it out??? I mean it’s really EASY to understand. In fact, the theft of the 2020 election has been proven BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT. President Trump and many others have been screaming it from the rooftops for years.
The reason that there was no Red Wave was because of the RNC and GOP. Here in NY Lee Zeldin ran an amazing campaign and he has come very very close to defeating our evil witch countess Hochula. Lee and his supporters did this on our own.
The cavalry never came to help us.
So now the bastards want to use our President Trump as a scapegoat- to blame him for all their evil mistakes and then say well of course he should never run again. Sorry but I call BULL SH*T. This is all more of their plan to run Ron D. and betray PT.
Somehow, someway we have to stop the current steal NOW. There’s plenty of evidence of fraud. Where are OUR lawyers??
GOP doesnt care. They are in on it. Right wing of uniparty bird.
GOPe doesn’t care…there are still some in the GOP that DO care….way too few but they are there
For the Uniparty, it’s a feature and not a flaw.
We the people need to start chipping away at local and state offices. Also, start collecting our own “ballots”.
Its a rigged system, which can easily be exploited and was set up that way.
No one will be investigating fraud. Certainly not when they will be branded election deniers.
Lawyers that represented PDJT after the 2020 steal are under criminal investigation by the DOJ and face losing their licenses.
Elections and law enforcement along with everything else has been weaponized against the individual.
It is a feature and not a flaw that the GOPe cannot figure it out
I don’t know what I like better, your comment or your handle with pic!
The Red Wave reduced to dissipating foam on the sand is because the “REPUBLICAN MACHINE” CHEATS, TOO.
The Dems couldn’t cheat successfully if it weren’t for the passive-aggressive cooperation of the GOP.
Why is it so hard to see that the Reds and the Blues are merely the two sides of the SAME coin? Isn’t the definition of insanity to do the same thing over and over and over again expecting different results? Why is it so hard to see that if we don’t want this neverending story repeated through the rest of infinity, we MUST divorce ourselves from it?!
WHY NOT? Aren’t our foreheads bloody enough yet?
We must destroy democracy in order to save it.
I anxiously awaited your analysis, Sundance. I knew it had to be something along those lines.
I mean, for Heavens’ sake, Senator Fetterman????
We have got to implement the Precinct Strategy and wrest control of the republican party. Starting now.
State legislatures need to pass veto proof election reform and get rid of mail in and weeks-long voting/ballot harvesting.
Having been caught in a statewide vote by mail fraud system for many years, it is the ballots rather than the votes. It is really clear that how you vote here doesn’t make any difference. Every sleazy fraudulent tactic; same day registration, ballot dumping and zero accountability for machine accuracy etc etc absolutely ensures Dimwaste control over the communist state will never change. It a fraudulent system that self ensures it own survival. A token audit of 10 counties following the 2020 scam showed the biggest county, King County had more ballots (899k) than registered voters (866k).
Also, if you look closely at the reported numbers, most of the time the national races are all generally “won” by roughly the same percentages. Total fraud
And there are always more ballots ready to be injected into the system to offset actual votes.
So what would happen if we just all ignored election day and didn’t vote? What would the fallout be?
Certainly the results would be the same….they would proceed as usual and select and install. We wouldn’t have taken the House (I assume haven’t checked this afternoon.) Those republicans we put in the House won’t make any difference either. They’ll be indoctrinated fully before the end of next year and will be stuffing money in their pockets.
We have no input into what they foist upon us anyway.
100% accurate. If we didn’t submit ballots, the Dims would just fill them out for us. It’s not about how we vote, just the number of ballots. They’ll make up what they need. Where you see states like Washington, Oregon, Arizona and Nevada seemingly stuck with 30-40% of the ballots left to count, you know the steal is in because the Dims need more time to manufacture fake ballots to replace the legitimate ballots where the votes were for Repubs
Great analysis Sundance, thank you. One nasty consequence of the fact that We the People can no longer choose our elected representatives is that we live in a psychological state of division and disbelief that has no doubt been devised to undermine the Civil Society. God help us all.
Pennsylvania Voters Reelect Dead Democrat State Representative
By Joel B. Pollak9 Nov 20220
Pennsylvania’s voters reelected a Democratic state representative who died last month, the latest anomaly in a state that has been under the national political spotlight since voting to put Donald Trump in the White House in the 2016 race.
Fox News reported Wednesday:
Democrat Anthony “Tony” DeLuca died Oct. 9 “after a brief battle with lymphoma, a disease he twice previously beat. He was 85,” the Pennsylvania House Democratic Caucus wrote.
DeLuca was Pennsylvania’s longest-serving state rep, according to the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/11/09/pennsylvania-voters-reelect-dead-democrat-state-representative/
Dead people voting for a dead person.
Every election law and court ruling in the past hundred years has favored mob rule and Democrats. They have ceaselessly chipped away at our republican form of government.
1. Women get right to vote (women votes elected Clinton, Obama and Biden).
2. Changing the U.S. Senate to direct vote removed the balance of power with the states. Direct election favors corrupt big cities run by Democrats.
3. Lowering the voting age to 18 ensured a new crop of naive voters many of whom then spend 4 years in Democrat run indoctrination centers called colleges.
4. The Democrat controlled U.S. Supreme Court decision in Reynolds V. Simms eliminated the traditional State Senate system which was based on county representation. This changed the check and balance of rural/small towns versus the states big urban centers.
5. Motor Voter made vote registration easier which favored increasing the low information, don’t give a damn, segment of the population and which enabled registration of people not qualified to to vote i.e felons and non-citizens.
6. Absentee voting for people who are not absentee. This enables vote selling and the Democrats are very adept at “helping” people who are dependent upon and under the care of others to vote.
7. Mail in voting equals fraud and undue pressure. No secret ballot here.
8. Drop boxes and ballot harvesting. Pay per vote.
9. Zuckerbucks; money to get out the vote in Democrat cities & areas to skew the turn out.
10. Democrat operatives funded to “help” elections in cities. See Green Bay.
11. Voting machines designed to enable fraud.
Not to mention massive illegal immigration; the admission of dishonest and immoral people.
Exactly. And Republican leadership did nothing to impede it.
Doesn’t MAGA have any hackers?
So it comes down to the election has been stolen, rigged, or just weaponized. Our elections now have absolutely no value any longer!
The distinction between ballots and votes is going to be hard to explain to some people.
The right to vote used to be tightly managed right because it is a sacred right. In almost the exact same way, the value of the dollar has been destroyed as has the right to vote.
The dumbing down of the populace helps.
Excellent post Sundance. Another thing about ballot collection are those who are infirmed, in nursing homes, who are paid, missent ballots even for those still in the state and ballots going to prisoners.
These are thousands of ballots! The opportunity for mischief is enormous, (especially in major Democrat run metros like Philadelphia, Detroit, Milwakee, Phoenix, and Atlanta) and thus why it takes days and even weeks to count all ballots versus the votes system in places like FL and OH where the count is determined the same night!
we have many in my church suffering from Alzheimer’s…those who have a family as caregivers at home I do not fault them for their assistance in completing ballots with their loved ones as they are aware of their lucid times…..remember the MI long-term health care facilities with 95-100% turnout in 2020…..those numbers included the patients under such care and others so far gone close family members said they could not even be recognized by their loved one yet the staff helped to complete and submit these ballots for counting
That has been happening. Someone commented on the day of election that she had to help her elderly husband but had to complete a questionaire before she was allowed to help him.
A case of Sneezing at the gnat and swallowing the camel.
Electronic Registration Information Center(ERIC) to Salesforce.
Georgia SOS Brad Raffensperger Secretly Hired Salesforce.com to Manage Voter Rolls on the Cloud – Lawmakers Must Speak Out and Resist This Dangerous Move!

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/02/georgia-sos-brad-raffensperger-secretly-hired-salesforce-com-manage-voter-rolls-cloud-lawmakers-must-speak-resist-dangerous-move/
This is how you know the uniparty is in on the steal. Lindsay Graham is congratulating the dems on NBC!
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/11/definitely-not-republican-wave-hats-off-democrats-lindsey-graham-stolen-midterms-video/
See – he doesn’t want to have control of the senate either. Is probably working with the McCain mafia in AZ to steal it for Kelly as we speak.
I’d say we’re descending into third world territory, but many third world countries have cleaner elections.
and the answer to this dilemma is? does anybody want to go there yet?
“…and as for me, GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH!”
In the practical art of war, you must be prepared to fight at any time in the future. In the impractical art of war, you should have been prepared quite some time ago, and it’s probably already too late. You’re screwed..
– Sun Tzu’s Great Nephew, Moon Yoo Tzu
BTW, right now in Arizona BALLOTS not VOTES are being counted slowly. No way any Dem can fairly prevail in that state right now.
They have entire boxes of legitimate republican ballots that they can disqualify if they need to because of the printing errors and election workers forcing voters to leave them rather than spoiling them and voting with a proper ballot.
How are those ballots being adjudicated?
I think thats what the Biden Regimes “Election Enforcement Division” Task Force was created for.
Salesforce and Google Strategic Partnership
Publish Date: Nov 7, 2017
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https://help.salesforce.com/s/articleView?id=000320787&type=1
The republican party had two years to confront and implement as best as possible moves to create a true “one man one vote” integrity, then a count which was real, accurate and timely. Did they really focus on that? I doubt it.
The republicans have few if any real warriors. Name those who came out after 2020 and stayed at the front fighting. Miss Lindsey, Mike Pence, Paul Ryan, Mitt Romney…give me a break, who is kidding who?
Ron DeSantis is their new darling representing “anybody but Trump” plus, he has one gift that the Donald refuses to pick up and use: He can communicate in ways beyond a mere business man from New York City.
Bet me Melania is whispering in Donald’s ear what she wants…and if you saw them yesterday while voting, if you were President Trump, would you rather be the leader of a family enjoying your final years with your lovely wife and relatives doing whatever yours dreams presented…or do you want to convince Ron DeSantis to take the 2nd spot on your ticket for the 2024 election? (That may put a real bullseye on Trump’s back!)
Meanwhile, I must prepare for things to get much worse while in retirement, living on a fixed income, surrounded by democrats who care less if the ship is going down and won’t make a move to correct till the “ship of state” gets ready to slip into the deep sea of non-existence.
God helps us!
VIVA MEXICO 🇲🇽
Perhaps too many voters relocated to Florida from Pa and MI?