In December of 2009 the results of the most consequential special election of the decade were transmitted from a rebellious bunch of misfits who shook the political elite to Washington DC. Republican Scott Brown was elected to take the “Kennedy Seat” in Massachusetts in an epic battle that surprised both the Democrat and Republican establishment.
The DC political class (both parties) were shook, triggered, jaw-dropped & aghast… A revolt was visible.
It wasn’t just the Democrats who reacted, organized and responded with the urgency of a 2012 counter-offensive. The rebellious threat from the working class was as much abhorred by the Republican political class, the Bushes, McCains and McConnells who saw the Tea Party uprising as toxic to their control.
The working-class uprising, the originating assembly of what is now the MAGA movement represented in that Massachusetts winter special election had to be destroyed, and that was why the Tea Party movement had to be co-opted and destroyed by the Republican party. From their professionally Republican perspective, including the billionaire and Wall Street donors who try to influence the club platform, there are no limits to what they will do to retain control, nothing is out-of-bounds.
That’s why we saw the GOPe primary ‘splitter strategy‘ first deployed to scale in 2012. Romney was installed as the nominee, and gleefully the GOPe watched as he was defeated by Obama’s reelection bid in November. The status-quo was achieved. The DC UniParty was repaired, and all things were back under club control. Two wings of the same UniParty once again giving the illusion of choice.
For those of us who fully understood what was done, and by that time our 2013 ranks were more significant, it became crystal clear the ‘first-things-first’ approach would require the Republican political elite to be removed and confronted first – before the communists in the left wing of the UniParty could be attacked. We needed a weapon against them….
…..ENTER Donald John Trump.
Donald John Trump wasn’t just our MAGA candidate in 2015, he was our murder weapon and the professional GOPe elite, the party system within the Republican club, was our intended victim.
The 2016 Republican club counter-offensive to a reenergized movement now carrying the MAGA banner, was led by the ‘Never Trumpers’. Most of you will easily remember how the professional political class, the Jeb Bush wing within the Republican club, responded. However, this time in 2016 we had the previous experience, the lessons and a map of their playbook in hand.
The MAGA movement knew what the GOPe club were trying to do, and we defeated them because our candidate was big, snarky, strong and impervious to the professional Republican club throwing everything including the kitchen sink at him. We The People were not going to retreat. We held the line, moved forward and won. However, our 2016 victory made the Republican inside club even more furious.
The Bushes, McConnells et al were unwilling to relinquish control of the club and would do anything, say anything and use every institutional lever within their control to remain in power. The inside DC Republican club used every deceptive resource available to undermine our President and kneecap him from disrupting the system.
It wasn’t just the Democrats trying to impeach President Trump, the Republican wing of the UniParty was more than willing to provide background support, they just couldn’t be visible when doing it.
This is the battle for control of the Republican Party. It’s not about voters or candidates per se’, the battle is for the control of a private club – the RNC. President Trump has loosened the grip, but it is up to We The People of the MAGA movement to pry their fingers from the mechanisms of control.
What I am describing above is what the background battle, within the state of Florida, around Ron DeSantis, is all about.
The Bush clan have wrapped their arms around Governor Ron DeSantis as a 2024 weapon to counteract the MAGA movement. They have poured hundreds of millions into the “acceptable Republican” effort and are in full control of the DeSantis campaign management.
The Mitt Romney’s, Mitch McConnell’s, Paul Ryan’s, Kevin McCarthy’s etc are trying to leverage the club dynamic over Ron DeSantis and provide enticements to maintain the alliance with their internal battle plan to retain full control over the Republican Party.
The Never Trumpers, financed by donors, the professional party system and club officials, are all part of the internecine battle.
When President Trump labels the former congressman, now Florida Governor as “Ron DeSanctimonious,” that background reality is the who, what, when and why.
This battle is about Republican Party control and the use of Ron DeSantis by the club members who refuse to let go of power.
As noted by a comment from Rick Stans:
Watching heads explode over Trump’s “DeSantimonious” comment is exactly what the RINO elite relishes! Sundance has spelled out Ron’s position very clearly over the past weeks and anyone with half a brain could see it! Ron is a tool being forged as the splitter to weaken Trump in his bid to win in ‘24.
Moreso, the “god” man is what the RINO elite like Ryan and McCarthy hope will destroy the MAGA movement and restore the order of Kings & Queens in D.C. verses the serfs in fly-over country! The Coastals are becoming a bit uneasy hearing about Red Waves and MAGA movements! Time to crush these peasants once and for all!
Enter “god” man! Smiling, snarky Ron the Trump slayer! The Rip Van Winkle of Mar-a-Lago post raid! Trump’s friendly shot across the bow is a wake-up call!
No Ron, we won’t sit back and let you be another fraud, a fallen acorn from the dead Bush Oak that was fertilized with our hard-earned tax dollars for decades!
Either we’re all in for MAGA (despite what Trump does) or we’ll all be learning how to say “can I trade my dollars for yuan” in Mandarin one day! Wake up foolish Ron supporters who have become offended by Trump! Haven’t you learned from your parents that “sticks and stones may break my bones…..”
Trump is a gamer and his words were just a precursor to let Ron know that all the money and notoriety he will be promised for distancing himself from MAGA to “Save” America, is really nothing but fools gold in the end if MAGA goes the way of the Tea Party!
The Republican Club would rather lose elections and retain power than win and be held accountable to deliver on their false promises.
The really sad part about all this pretending is that all this is happening only because they know Trump will be eliminated from 2024 contention in some way. And they need the best possible alternative to make the gullible get over it. The Painful Truth Has No Agenda
Go Deep
All I need to see is Ryan is for Ron
They wish….
We are SOOOOO lucky to have Sundance unravel the truth from the mud pies the left constructs.
As a Canadian, am so grateful for Sundance. I would urge all my patriots on here to donate and support this Hero. God Bless.
Sundance is a genius, no doubt about it…However…
Do not sell yourself short in evaluating candidates….You are more intuitive than you know…
we conservatives are so used to accepting things at face value for being truthful…we have learned from Mr. Trump, that is not always the way to think…
RDS came upon the scene very smoothly and like Obama, too ‘perfectly’…with a finely tuned delicate smooth as silk ‘marketing’ campaign…prepared by who?
I was feeling weird about RDS and it wasn’t until his delayed twit regarding the MAL…that it gelled for me when it took him several hours to come out with a weak twit…That was my ‘ah ha moment”.
I am a firm proponent of “trust your gut” with these politicians and GOPe people. Sundance is very good at deciphering this…putting it into terms we all can understand…Sundance’ knowledge of the deeper issues is where its at!!!
Go home.
This is my safe space too.
Haha!
Trump is running. He’ll announce soon.
Yay
Every enemy of MAGA…i.e. us…is starting to get sweaty nervous.
President Trump hasn’t even announced, and already the Big R Club is lining up an opposition candidate they think will split MAGA irreparably, thus destroying the most powerful anti establishment, pro America movement in history.
There is scuttlebutt ongoing that as soon as President Trump announces, the DOJ will attempt their biggest Beria persecution ever… bringing charges against him, so far crime undetermined.
That’s how terrified both R and D wings are. Be aware, be ready, all you faithful MAGA recruits. I suppose they think if they try to remove our general, we will all simply dissipate and accept what is offered to us. How utterly clueless is the enemy.
They don’t know us…at all.
What worries me is an indictment…do we know if a grand jury of any type is sitting for this? I am trying to think of the things that would keep or prevent him from running and its this and one other thing…
Several grand juries…..which would indict a ham sandwich if instructed to, are sitting re DJT.
Be ready. They’re going to indict him. They’re just waiting for the exact best timing.
I’m unconcerned about indictments. They would then be forced to take a case to trial and there’s no way they’re going to win. And he can still run while being indicted.
And btw, if we can take back the House and Senate majorities it will help a lot to cut back on the persecution.
Yup, in your own words “Go Deep.”
“Deep swamp” that is.
JMO,
The next presidential election will be in 2026 ……… after President Trump’s second term.
The democrat / GOPe have been sucked into the 2024 trap like the “not-so-smart” pols that they are. XX has hooked his wagon to the falling/burning GOPe star.
“Let’s go Brandon and the democrats and especially the GOPe with their XX candidate”
I don’t agree -Ron is looking more and more like a dopey tool like Romney – but , regardless, maybe they HOPE to prevent PDJT from running , but if they KNOW he will be prevented , why bother with the “Mini MAGA “ movement , the uniparty /McConnell branch is totally satisfied with a 51 /49 low end split of the spoils , so why go to the sweat and bother and effort when they supposedly already KNOW the outcome …
Ron is a shill for the old RNC. Knew quite a while back.
Go deeper. That’s Like saying why waste their time with the J6 committee.
Is that you Brennan ? Must be ? Haven’t seen you on MSSNBC lately , but the constant “Go Deep” , “Go Deeper” oracle -like allusion is your unmistakable trademark…
Nothing like a rigged midterm election to wake some people up.
Its for your own good.
Insurance policy? Like “Russia collusion”??
I thought it was just the opposite. “They” know that PDJT will not be eliminated from the 2024 contention, and therefore they need to build up an opponent.
Sundance: Thanks again for a such an illuminating essay. Great!
If DeSantis fails…
They’ll trot out Youngkin
If Youngkin fails…
They’ll trot out Pompeo
If…
Haley
If…
Pence
If…
If…
If…
Anything to splinter the vote and retain the Uniparty.
Haley is in GA now, campaigning with Herschel Walker.
Haley is being groomed to be the VP on the ticket with DeSantis.
Noem, etc.
DeSantis is the Florida iteration of ol’ Rooster head, Trey Gowdy.
To save our Republic, we can’t let MAGA and America First be marginalized like they did the TEA Party.
That makes more sense. If they thought Trump was going to be eliminated they’d tell the MAGA crowd to suck eggs, vote Jeb! Or Haley or whomever, take it or leave it.
You mean, they hope Trump will be eliminated.
Thanks for inspiring me to say more prayers to support President Trump’s successful re-entry into the White House. May God bless President Trump and protect him, and provide everything he needs to fulfill his role in making America great again, and to fulfill the prophecy that he will lead America back to God. Praying this in Jesus’ name.
And seeing as how our battle is not against flesh and blood but rather a spiritual one:
St. Michael the Archangel,
defend us in battle.
Be our defense against the wickedness and snares of the Devil.
May God rebuke him, we humbly pray,
and do thou,
O Prince of the heavenly hosts,
by the power of God,
thrust into hell Satan,
and all the evil spirits,
who prowl about the world
seeking the ruin of souls.
Amen.
Yes and Amen!
Amen
Many thanks, Phoenix. I would not have known exactly how to pray in these circumstances! I will use your words and be safe.
Amen Amin. Podaj Gospodi, Tebje Gospodi. Slava Ocu i Sinu i Svjatome Duhu, vjek do vjeka AMIN!!
AMEN! The ad appears to be a ploy judging by the people over all utube videos, who say they are Trumpers but now will vote RDS president. Sure as hell testing the waters. When they indict Trump, or try to, wonder how many in numbers will be in the crowd yelling ‘crucify him’ we want ‘Barrabbas’ Since it’s RDS’ ad; proclaiming that God on the 8th day created a fighter; this is changing what’s in the Bible blatantly, surely he can’t be unaware of this if his faith (Christian?) since he has cited that his faith and prayers helped see him through his wife’s cancer and her remission.
Revelation 22:18-19 contains a warning to anyone who tampers with the biblical text. Although the warning in Revelation 22:18-19 is specific to the Book of Revelation, the principle applies to anyone who seeks to intentionally distort God’s Word. Its principle must be applied to the entire revealed Word of God. Moses gave a similar warning in Deuteronomy 4:1-2, where he cautioned the Israelites that they must listen to and obey the commandments of the Lord, neither adding to nor taking away from His revealed Word. Proverbs 30:5-6 contains a similar admonition to anyone who would add to God’s words: he will be rebuked and proven to be a liar.
Amen
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
That’s what I think as well. Ron has no chance head to head against DJT. I like what he has done in FL and maybe in 2028 would be his time-although I think Youngkin and Lake would likely eclipse him by then. But not for 2024-principally because he said he would not run if DJT did run. The diamonds must be returned.
But Youngkin is also on Paul Ryan’s list of picks to replace Trump. A Ryan endorsement has been described as the “kiss of death.” Unless maybe that pick will disavow it. DeSantis has not disavowed Ryan’s endorsement.
@FrankLuntz
October 14, 2022
Paul Ryan’s top 3 picks for the 2024 GOP presidential nomination:
1. Ron DeSantis
2. Glenn Youngkin
3. Tim Scott
If President Trump for some reason does not run on the 2024 presidential ticket, I hope Rand Paul will do so. It should not be someone who is endorsed by Paul Ryan and beholden to the establishment. Kari Lake is impressive thus far but we need to continue to see how she does. Regardless, we need to pray that God will intervene and help us decide on the right choice of candidate because only He has the wisdom to know who is the best choice that will lead the country in the right direction and who will fulfill His will for us.
Here, very simple logic can be applied; If rino trash like Ryan, Rove, Jeb etc are endorsing someone, in this case DeSantis, you know that person is 100% controlled. These idiots thinking MEGA people even slightly care what they’re drooling speaks to how much them endorsing anyone but PDT is the kiss of death for that person. They might as well put Mittens and Lez Cheney on a ticket as much good as it will do them.
here’s another “Da” word for you “Da-Lusional “
Duh-
BRAVO Deborah!
I think they will kill him. They will go that far.
With deep, deep sadness, think you are correct. Ex NYPD Commissioner Bernie Kerik actually said it out loud on national TV expressing his concern!
Nah, or if they did it would have to look like natural cause. No way they make a martyr out of Trump.
I think they prefer to destroy him via injustice. Death by a thousand wounds so to speak. Destroy him and his family, bankrupt him if possible, sully his name. All to serve as a warning to anyone else with some money that might think of upsetting their apple cart.
I caution everyone again though, we need a big tent. We need a broad base of elected MAGA representatives at the federal, state and local level. One man cannot do this alone. We must be cautious, but we can’t cast people aside for saying something we don’t like or taking money from someone we don’t like. Those things throw red flags and scream caution, proceed carefully.
We must follow Reagan’s 80/20 philosophy. It’s fine to be suspicious of DeSantis or whomever, but don’t throw the baby out with the bath water. 80% of a full on MAGA agenda would be 1,000 times better than where we are.
He’s pushing 80. The list of natural causes is longer than your arm…
What we MUST do is stop settling.
DeSantis is a hard no. If he screws Trump I’ll vote third party. I’m through with the games.
Reagan gave us illegal alien amnesty and Gun Control Act of 1986 among other boneheaded moves. This is the party of Trump not Reagan.
A big tent can NEVER include the chosen candidate of Jeb Bush, Paul Ryan, Karl Rove or Mitch McConnell.
N.E.V.E.R.
One is either MAGA (an economic nationalist) or a Globalist. There is no gray area. We accomplish nothing by allowing MAGA to be co-opted and destroyed by decepticons.
They would rather pluck his wings off.
Do not throw that kind of negative energy out to the Universe. We all, I am thinking, have that fear…..
They tried many, many times while he was POTUS. Him and his family including Ivanka and Jared.
This is not some altruistic move.
It is war against MAGA –
and it is motivated by evil.
I see it the same. DeSantis is supposed to be our conciliation prize / candidate.
They can chuck that little poser across the Potomac…using his own attempt to be “tough”.
I think some minds will change after the midterms. It really hurts being honest with myself. Like I always say, it was a fake pandemic that got us here. Its like running in my sleep listening to conservatives who STILL believe the lie that made it all possible.
For many of on both sides of the political divide, politics is an emotional issue. Too often issues and candidates are viewed thru the lens of emotion rather than with a cold, sober rational calculus.
And as I know you know, attempting to reason thru the fog of emotion is difficult, bordering on futile.
Yes, thank you. That behavior is exemplified when good people attack others who are simply stating what they believe to be true. I hope the opposite of what I believe turns out to be true.
SD was attacked the same way when he first shined the light on DeSanctimonious. Emotional responses.
Well said. DeSanctimonious is a GOPe decepticon. He can stay in FL.
Perfect, Florida will gladly keep him for 4 more years, no problem.
Good. Keep him.
Sundance has a way with words.
Nothing more need to be said than SD’s comment:
No Ron, we won’t sit back and let you be another fraud, a fallen acorn from the dead Bush Oak that was fertilized with our hard-earned tax dollars for decades!
It’s Rick Stans’ comment; Sundance is quoting him.
Really quite illuminating that SO MANY do NOT read carefully, and ‘digest’, prior to posting their comment. It is no wonder that Sundance has to repeat and repeat his information.
I interpreted it as Sundance saying: (No Ron, we won’t sit back and let you be another fraud, a fallen acorn from the dead Bush Oak that was fertilized with our hard-earned tax dollars for decades!)
People making a big deal about Trumps new nickname are all GOP RINOS ….. but its ok for the Never Trumpers to operate behind the scenes… and the same never trumpers who are operating behind the scenes support LIZ CHENEY… who right in front of us is supporting democrats that are running against republicans in the midterms….and NOTHING BUT SILENCE
IE Kerry lake for one
LET TRUMP BE TRUMP.👍
The Bush clan have wrapped their arms around Governor Ron DeSantis as a 2024 weapon to counteract the MAGA movement. They have poured hundreds of millions into the “acceptable republican” effort and are in full control of the DeSantis campaign management.
The Mitt Romney’s, Mitch McConnell’s, Paul Ryan’s, Kevin McCarthy’s etc are trying to leverage the club dynamic over Ron DeSantis and provide enticements to maintain the alliance with their internal battle plan to retain full control over the Republican Party.
The Never Trumper’s, financed by donors, the professional party system and club officials, are all part of the internecine battle.
Would love to see tangible, not circumstantial evidence of this assertion. As Kamela Harris said, I love Venn Diagrams and I don’t see DeSantis and Romney et al in the same Venn Diagram intersection.
See Richard Baris’ tweets in Sundance’s other thread on this subject.
Richard Baris…
“Sorry if that hurts some of your feelings, but it’s true and those of you most likely to bitch about me saying it don’t know what the Hell you’re talking about.
If DeSantis doesn’t bite, though he has been more lately, their next target is
@GlennYoungkin.”
“Point being, for those of us who know, it was not at all surprising to hear that. Sure, it plays into their hands, but that’s Trump folks. That’s his way to say, “I know what you’re doing, I’ve heard all about it.”
“Andrew Gillum would be governor of Florida if not for me.”
Might help you if you would just remove the blinders. “None so blind as those who refuse to see”.
It takes time for many, people get a whiff of something, assumptions still holding on strongly – but the blinders do fall off, we do eventually see the strings of the marionettes and can no longer return to a time when we couldn’t seen them. Welcome all the newly wondering what’s going on, we need as many who no longer want to pretend as we can get!
His donors are Bush donors. His consultants are GOPe and Bushies still own/run the GOPe. He’s been endorsed by Jeb!
It’s amazing to me that these wealthy people just throw their money away when they have no understanding of the American electorate. They threw away over $100m on Jeb Bush. Wonder how much Chinese money is in there??
In Illinois, bazillionaire Ken Griffin dumped an astounding $50 MILLION into the campaign of one of the GOP candidates for Governor, but that candidate was primaried. Griffin was so upset he picked up his business is moving it to Florida. Griffin claimed he was leaving because of crime but it was because he couldn’t buy the Illinois Governor election. Griffin has already given DeSantis a hefty donation so I’m expecting there to be more.
Really? What value is money these days? Might as well be horse puckies for all it is worth.
These players are the inside track to our valueless currency. They have all the metals they need, the rest is funny money they use to play the low class idiots like us.
Better, how much of that Chinese money was laundered and stolen from America first?
And Arab
And endorsed by… Pierre Delecto’s radioactive running mate, Paul D Ryan.
That’s right. Ryan endorsed DeSantis. For Florida Governor. lol
Sorry… you clearly don’t pay attention. Paul D Ryan endorsed/named RDS as the party nominee in 2024.
Try harder, 😂
My comment was sarcasm as indicated by “lol” but you missed it. That’s OK. I know it’s confusing because DeSantis appears to be running for President right now when in fact he’s running to be re-elected Florida Governor.
Sorry, I did miss it. Mea culpa.
Make no mistake, RDS can multitask. He’s running for both.
No, wrong. He endorsed him for president. Read the article again
I know, calm down. 🙂 Don’t you find it odd that Ryan would endorse him for national office when he’s running for Governor re-election?
Not odd at all.
It means the cocky, UniParty bass turds were successful in co-opting & destroying the tea party & they believe that they can do the same to MAGA.
Whether RDS cooperates by running remains to be seen but don’t discount his CONgressional record, rebranding & his silence on the raid on MAL & the unconstitutional imprisonment of FL citizens re, J6.
Read again…
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/10/14/florida-governor-ron-desantis-wins-coveted-paul-ryan-endorsement-for-2024/
THEY, the GOPe and their Dem comrades, have done MAGA a great favor.
THEY have given us our ‘shiboleth’ test for “MAGA or NOT”; the 2020 election.
Either it was “the most secure in history” or “I have serious concerns and want to secure our elections” (in which case they are an “election denier”).
Thats the test. RDS fails the test, stating “We already HAVE voter I.D. in Florida, so its not an issue.
MAGA candidates have a whole listvof reforms, voter I.D. being only one.
And the research by TTV, Lindell, etc. shows EVERY STATE, including Florida has the same problems.
By not speaking up about the 2020 election, RDS put himself in the GOPe camp.
All the evidence I needed, so knew he was a ‘ringer’ before Sundance highlighted his funding, etc.
Yes, Dutch… I have noted that you seem to be “ahead of the curve” on many of these small, and large, ‘maneuvers’. BTW, has DeSantis had ANYTHING to say about the jailing of TTV entities? I have not seen anything.
The tangible evidence is readily available right here on the CTH.
The donor’s and the money they’ve put up, the Romney/McConnell/Ryan/McCarthy moves….all of it. Do a scroll, or a search of the site.
You don’t even need a Venn Diagram. Srsly.
From staffing, consultants, behavior to funders, to big supporters, and even advertisers, Sundance has been laying the receipts.
Only those who refuse to see tangible evidence could write something like this.
You need to be objective. Observe DeSantis’ actions. Trump helped him win his first Florida Governor term, DeSantis wouldn’t have won without Trump’s help … what has DeSantis done for Trump? What was DeSantis’ response after the Mar-a-Lago raid, a raid that occurred in HIS state? Who are DeSantis’ donors? Where do they come from? Why is DeSantis labelling himself “America’s Governor”, “Top Gov”, and now declaring that God created him on the 8th day to save the world? etc etc
I kind of want to see McCarthy lose his re-election bid, but only as long as the Republican MAGA branch does take control of the House.
It’s the best thing that could happen if turncoat McCarthy lost his reelection bid it would save us a lot of trouble getting rid of him.
Somewhere, there is something out there, some dirt…somewhere…gots to find it…
This! Nailed it!
Amen to that.
Trump has a much better understanding of Washington, DC’s political players. He may not know every little detail, but he is a fast learner. His nose is still able to sniff out passive aggressive games.
Ron DeSantis is a good guy, but he has strings that others can grab and pull in directions that may not work for Trump’s visions. Trump learned a sad lesson with Mike Pence, I doubt he will play that card again.
Senator Tom Cotton, Rep Jim Jordan and others seem to be of the “warrior class” of politicians who would easily work with Donald Trump. I don’t know the inside players’ realities of Washington, DC.
As Bibi came back to lead Israel, so may President Trump. I look forward to the team he will put into place. I really like Peter Navarro.
Tom Cotton is not MAGA. He attended the Sea Island GA meeting to try to stop Trump. He is also a Neocon who attended Harvard for undergrad and law school. He worked for McKinsey and one of his top supporters is Club for Growth.
Exactly! Cotton is on the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, one of, if not the most corrupt entities in the US government.
He isn’t Mega and either is Jim Jordan. They are all in for RS. Belong in same club as Ted. All they ever do is talk and accomplish very little and love being on TV. Jim tired of the rolled up sleeve and yellow tie. It doesn’t appeal to the MEGA’s anymore. Wt do you think Sundance
Neither
Q. Would a “Good Guy” allow himself to be purchased and pimped by the swamp ?
Ouch! But I did mention Peter Navarro…
Nobody in the Senate is MAGA.
Considering Ron’s history of supporting Trump wouldn’t it be interesting if Ron and Rump were playing the GOPEE? Ron scoops up all of their $ then supports rump.
Really? Rump? So cute; try harder next time?
Ron is a Player and not necessarily a good one.
but like all ambitious players they lie cheat and steal each step up that ladder of ambition.
so in other words….. don’t hold your breath but hold your bets.
Like, “follow the plan”?
Sure, sure. Ron has figured out a way to “Trick” the Uniparty.
Sundance nails it again.
“This battle is about Republican Party control and the use of Ron DeSantis by the club members who refuse to let go of power. ”
Exactly. And You know what? If DeSantis gets the nomination, the club members will then pull out the McCain ’08 GOPe lay down playbook and let the Dem win.
Amen. It’s so flipping obvious. Any Republican that would run against Trump is running against America. It’s do or die and any GOPe supported politician will just support the final sell-out of America to China and multinational corporations.
DeSantis has been doing the silly Disney crap and the no trannies in kindergarten but A-OK for 8 year olds because the GOPe thinks the rubes that watch FOX News and think Pence is a good man will fall in line with the meaningless attention grabbing con inc. stunts.
Why not? It’s been working for years.
👍
Yes… your line about the ‘trannies’ got me thinking WT* at the time. That crap has NO place in public ed, at ANY level.
The only one I see on the horizon who could replace Trump as leading MAGA is Lake
“We seek to kill the UniParty establishment…
…Donald Trump is the murder weapon”.
Still has a great ring to it.
Sanctimony is the GOPe weapon to be used against any internal GOP challenge.
They attack any weakness and circle the sanctimonious firing squad.
I was hoping with George Will in decline, that self-destruction would be omitted from the Republican standpoint.
What they don’t want to admit is that they have always been the biggest hypocrites. They preach conservatism but enact liberalism. They are the paid assassins of the left. Token, supposedly right wingers, paid by liberals, misdirecting the right into futility while executing any who would champion the right.
There is no outlandish, self-destructing, policy that the left enacts that the GOPe won’t step forward and try to save through better management.
Good post, Jim… Thanks.
Last thing we need right now is to fight among ourselves. There’s too much at stake. It’s not about Trump or DeSantis. It’s about the country and by extension, the whole world. I refuse to be a part of the problem.
Did you read the post at all?
Do you read the comments?
Sundance wrote:
This is the battle for control of the Republican Party. It’s not about voters or candidates per se’, the battle is for the control of a private club – the RNC. President Trump has loosened the grip, but it is up to We The People of the MAGA movement to pry their fingers from the mechanisms of control.
DeSantis is GOPe. If he becomes President then we will lose MAGA and we’ll end up with GOPe. Might as well be Romney or Jeb. It’s up to us to prevent that from happening. We need Trump in 2024 and another MAGA person after that. DeSantis is not MAGA.
100%
Sometimes, apparently, one cannot “teach an old dog Critical Thinking”.
We are not fighting among ourselves by supporting President Trump over Governor DeSantis. We are supporting a Make America Great Again movement, regardless of who leads it. I personally agree with President Trump’s agenda to restore the Republic and will be helping to ensure that happens.
Governor DeSantis has done some good things for my home state, and he’ll be re-elected on Tuesday to continue governing. He is not presidential material. Sundance has described DeSantis’ role perfectly. The GOPe does NOT have the best interest of America at heart. They must be rooted out.
Draining the D.C. Swamp is difficult, and I understand how you may think we are fighting among ourselves. GOPe/uniparty candidates are NOT “ourselves”. They are the domestic enemy some of us swore to fight against.
TheBigOldDog, please re-read Sundance’s post and perhaps review some of his older essays on MAGA and the Tea Party.
I agree with you that our future is at stake, and it truly IS about the country and the world. Being part of the problem would be to not take a stand with who, in my 70+ year lifetime has been the only President to understand what it takes to save the country. Putting up with his quirks, such as name-calling, is part of the package.
All the best.
The expression, “Be part of the solution, not part of the problem” has communist origins. It’s meaningless.
If you don’t recognise that GOPe IS the enemy in front of you, than you ARE the problem.
The people who don’t recognize the GOPe as the enemy are the ones who still think FOX News is the good guys who are on our side.
It’s 2007 thinking in 2022.
Desanctamonius is clever enough but Trump masterfully delivered the line in such a matter of fact, off-hand way it smacked you like a sucker punch.
Seemed very WWE to me! A perfect landing. That God commercial of DeScanctimonious was actually very disgusting.
Can imagine now Paul Harvey would have quite the ‘rest of the story’ to go along with someone egotistic enough to go about authorizing the theft of his beautiful honorarium to US veterans to shill for votes.
Yep! He is missed.
This:
Either we’re all in for MAGA (despite what Trump does)
Yes. I’m at the point where any time I hear someone decrying how uncouth Trump is I say “look what you made us do”.
Great response 😂
And we need some genuine old fashioned liberals to stand with us!
If I ran this forum I would disallow any more positive comments about DeSantis. Don’t let the GOPes use this forum to sow anti-Trump sentiments or division.
1) Free speech. All are welcome.
2) The best way to get into your enemy’s head is to have them open the door for you.
Pay attention to those anti-Trump sentiments. With them they are exposing their weaknesses.
This is a private forum owned/operated by Sundance. He can set whatever rules he wants to set. I think that’s how much of the “Q” crap got shut down. So that’s why I said if I owned this forum I would disallow any more pro-DeSantis comments because I wouldn’t want DeSantis’ handlers to hijack it to cause problems for Trump and for us.
Rushbo always said follow the money. Nothing has changed. The deceptive practices of the uniparty will continue until we the people defeat them.
Sundance, a question. Do you believe that DeSantis is in agreement with the Republican establishment and their goals, or using their money to advance his candidacy while being MAGA in his core? Donald Trump turned out to be more conservative than many of us thought once in office. What are you’re thoughts on DeSantis’ core convictions?
DeSantis is refusing to even acknowledge Trump now, won’t even say his name. What does that tell you? Trump is the reason DeSantis won his first term as Florida Governor, DeSantis would have lost without Trump’s endorsement.
DeSantis won’t even mention support for MAGA, much less campaign on it.
He’s the “Chosen One”…
A fighter.
Right up to the point he folds like a wet turd.
He voted for TPP – that is the antithesis of MAGA.
The DeSanctimonious handwriting on the wall is easy to read… no need for anyone else’s interpretation when the answer is clear as day.
DeSantis’ “core convictions” surfaced in the wake of Mar-a-Largo…. and have been on clear display ever since.
In other words, he has no convictions.
If DeSantis was MAGA in his core, he would NOT NEED to take GOPe money (strings attached) to advance his candidacy.
MAGA would advance his candidacy.
It’s right out of the Uniparty playbook (See Joe Manchin)
“Give ME what I want FIRST, and THEN, we’ll consider your position…
Promise 🤞
“Right now, I’m talking. You’ll have a chance to talk sometime soon.”
(AFTER I get what I WANT)
~Obama
The next thing to watch for, IMO => In the increasingly likely event that there is a red wave this week, establishment Repubs. are going to attribute it primarily / solely to ‘Suburban women’ returning to vote Republican because Trump wasn’t on the ballot and that ‘we’ need to keep it that way in 2024 so we can keep winning.
Also, the RINOs are leading DeSantis down the Primrose Path and – if he succeeds in taking out Trump – they’ll dump him as well. I think Pompeo is their idea of an ideal candidate.
I don’t think it will work, but I think that’s the game plan.
The Gope’s have never been able to over come the MAGA truth.
I would not worry about what bullshit they spin
The MAGA base knows the truth.
Don’t forget who chose you over Putnam.
Yah, that was DeSantis when he wanted to be Florida Governor and needed Trump’s help (and just barely won).
And now? No mention of Trump, no mention of MAGA. Totally divorced from it because now he has big-$$$ GOPe donors controlling him.
“DeSanctimonious” will say or do anything to get up the ladder of ambition
Oh My..
How times have changed…
Here’s the good news…
The club showed their hand. They know what We The People want. We want MAGA. That’s why they are parading DeSantis out there as an alternative.
Won’t work.
We know MAGA. We live MAGA. We’ve worked with MAGA. MAGA was a good friend of mine. Gov DeSantis, you are no MAGA.
The club showed their hand.
That’s right. And some of us picked up on it right away. But there are plenty who still think DeSantis is MAGA.
I believe that it was Sundance that ‘parted the clouds’ to shed the light.
The day Catturd’s head exploded
But but but…
He was “CHOSEN”!!
On the eight day, no less!!!
I am sorry to disagree with the majority here, but DeSantis is the future. The sooner everyone realizes that, the better. I absolutely love Trump and will vote for him again. Unfortunately, he’s limited to a 4 year term. That’s not very much time, and we will need a replacement quickly. Please tell me who that’s going to be…Haley, Pompeo, Pence, Gabbard?? No thanks. And I don’t buy that nonsense about DeSantis being a GOPe plant or that he’s taken money from undesirable influences. Trump has done the exact same thing. He did not personally fund his presidential campaign, which is completely understandable. He took a lot of money from people who weren’t and still aren’t on his side. The money was still green. As far as personnel, could DeSantis really do any worse? Doubtful. Trump did a wonderful job despite all the bad picks (Haley, Tillerson, Nielsen, Priebus, Kelly, Milley, Pence, Mulvaney, Scaramucci to name a few). Please don’t give me that nonsense about how he had no choice and had to choose people who could get confirmed. I always remember watching Don Jr. give a speech, where he said that to his father, “Impossible is just a starting point.” He should have fought harder to get good people through instead of taking the path of least resistance. Fortunately, I don’t think he’ll make that mistake a second time. DeSantis has done a good job for Florida, and I think he’ll ultimately do a good job for our country when the time comes. I’ve also heard him speak about China, and he gets it. He’s the closest replacement to Trump that I’ve seen, and I can’t think of anyone else who is even close.
DeSantis is a fraud. He used Trump and MAGA to win his Florida Governor first term, now wants nothing to do with either. He has big-$$$ GOPe donors telling him what to do now.
Oh please. Trump has taken money from big $$$ GOPe donors too, and he still managed to do a good job. And not for anything, but did Trump not dangle an amnesty package in exchange for border security a number of times???? How much more GOPe can you get than advocating for amnesty?
Unfortunately, in American politics, the money has to come from somewhere. And that’s going to be from some pretty undesirable people. That’s just the way it is.
When was the last time DeSantis mentioned Trump or MAGA? Find out.
Please cite sources for “Trump has taken money from big $$$ GOPe donors too,”
TYIA
Another Rove-dispatched ROLCON commenter. Link to some GOPe donors who backed Trump. Go ahead.
If there is a replacement to Trump ever it will be Keri Lake.
I agree, but I think she has to serve as governor first. I hope she’s elected, because I think she’ll do a great job. She’s not well-known like Trump, and serving as governor will give her the ability to make a name for herself.
DeSantis has done some great things not just for Florida but for the whole country by letting Florida prove the lies. But Governor of a state with a majority in both houses and full backing at all levels and offices to get his agenda done is not what President Trump faced in the DC sewer.
I don’t need to harsh on DeSantis to realize that his skill set hasn’t been proven for the den of evil that he would face in DC.
From what I’ve seen with DeSantis, he seems like a fighter. He’s not Trump, but who is? DeSantis is better than 99% of anyone else I can think of. Kari Lake could very well prove herself to be worthy (as another poster mentioned), but she’s still a way off from being a presidential contender.
If you knew that DeSantis were a lot more like Romney than Trump would you still like him?
There will be other candidates, don’t worry. Trump will be announcing soon for his 2024 run, according to what he has said. Other people will appear for 2028. We don’t need fake MAGA posers. In fact, I would say they’re worse than the regular GOPes.
“Is” is a funny way of spelling “appears”.
Future “GOPe ”
If that’s what you’re into….. remove the MAGA and put democrat lite after your name.
DeSantis will never be in the White house. He can’t win in the rust belt – and the GOP can’t win without getting some rust belt states.
I have already decided I will never for for DeSantis in any GOP primary, even if he waits til 2028. And I’m actually considering breaking my hard-and-fast rule just one time, to refuse to vote for a Republican candidate which I have done faithfully since November 2028. If DeSantis ever were to become the GOP nominee for President I might just not vote for him. I don’t want Jeb or Romney or Rubio either. I would vote for Cruz.
I would never vote for Cruz. He is in the same group. Truly.
Also, even if he wasn’t a slimy snake, in my opinion, he is truly not eligible. (Not trying to start a fight on that. But I think he is eligible to be PM in Canada and that would be a better fit, IMO)
There’s debate about Cruz’ eligibility. Nobody challenged it in 2016.
Hello Chris,
Please consider this. DeSantis when in congress – against Republican sentiment and public opinion – voted for Obama’s TPP. Shortly before the vote, a large tranche of $$$$ came into his campaign. He’s the creature of Rove, Bush, Ryan and McConnell…………. really sad, isn’t it. But these globalist/NWO cannot have President Trump….they will do anything.
PS remember bunches of us falling for Mitt Romney? nuf saidn
Kari Lake
Unfortunately, he’s limited to a 4 year term….
Said this before, will say it again; a person serving nonconsectutive presidential terms is rare and unique.
People need to look at it differently. More than just a second 4 year term. 🧐
>>> DeSantis has done a good job for Florida, and I think he’ll ultimately do a good job for our country when the time comes. (my emphasis)
Yes, when the time comes, when we need more on our side to fight the insider clubbers, depending on Ron DeSantis himself if he truly follows the MAGA path.
However, DeSantis himself so far has been mum, only let his management team talking up 2024 run as Trump Alternative. And his management team reek of the old Bushies, Cheney’s, McConnell’s/Ryan’s stench, using the old playbook that gave the country McCain, Romney. If you are MAGA, why in the world would you be linked with those One Worlder globalist club?
I’ll tell you why. Because as sundance eluded to, these ‘rightwing’ UniParty type can not let go their meager control of the shared power even for a 4 year Trump 2nd term. They HAVE TO trot out their Trump Alternative, and DeSantis is easier to control (mostly through the large money support) at this point. They’ve learned their lesson, and so do we.
There is no replacement to President Trump.
“He’s the closest replacement to Trump that I’ve seen, and I can’t think of anyone else who is even close.”
NOPE. Once Paul Ryan, Jeb Bush and Karl Rove hitch their wagon to a candidate, that candidate is dead to me.
PERIOD.
Wrong. Trump did self finance his own campaign all the way through winning the Republican convention. No GOPe money. Only then did he accept outside money.
That’s exactly what I said in my post. Learn how to read. Trump did not self finance his presidential campaign. He couldn’t afford to do so. You would need at least $1bn.
I am pretty sure that the Governor of Florida, Ron Desantis, was informed about the FBI raid that was about to take place at Mar-a-Lago. What did he do? Did he call President Trump about it? We would like to know.
What we know is that he kept his mouth shut for days, hiding from media questions.
Likely, he made the calculation that Trump is going down and that was his shot and he would not want to be associated with the former President.
The GOPe and de-XX are just rearranging the deck chairs on the last day of the Titanic.
Why?
Because, the American people will take back their federal government by changing the leadership in the house and senate, maintaining a MAGA quorum and then hitting the “2/3 present mark.”
That is the reason the Democrat / GOPe commie coup gang is in a panic.
Let’s roll to a veto proof congress on 11/8/22.
“Let’s go Brandon and dump the democrats in 2022.
Vote the straight Republican ticket on 11/8/22.
Still feel the UniParty would still rather have Pence over DeSantis, just as they wanted Jeb Bush over Cruz. But they have to kill the MAGA movement. I fear DeSantis will take the bait and to destroy both himself and Trump. If the Democrats see blood they will indict Trump and hold him in jail without bail pending a phony trail. I also fear Kevin McCarthy will sabotage the Republican House just like Ryan did.
If DeSantis splits the MAGA votes and all establishment votes go to Pence, then we may end up with another do-nothing opposition-in-name only candidate.
if the democrats could lock trump up with out a bloody civil war / revolution they would of already done so.
Hence…. they won’t.
it’s all bread and circus’s … on with the show! never let a crisis go to waste! #hotair
Prayers that more and more people figure this out; that last meme “We ain’t f*cking moving!” is the truth of it.
Even here in Nevada, the candidate Tarkanian who first tried to win a seat in Congress in southern Nevada, then in central Nevada, this last time in the northern district for Nevada – and LOST all 3 times, now has his wife doing television commercials against the lady running for the State’s Attorney General Position, an odd duck (unexpected because she is an attorney who also runs a legal marijuana store) named Chattah, the losing candidate’s wife doing actual halloween-style fright commercials against this lady, the one attorney in Nevada who actually sued the Governor to stop his forced mandates to close churches and make people wear face masks, this Tarkanian RINO wife is urging Nevadans to vote for the Soro’s funded AG!
Not buying it at all. Carpetbagger moving from one district to another and never winning is going to tell the voters not to vote for an actual MAGA choice? It smells of desperation to the nth degree.
I really do hope DeSantis heeds PDJT’s warning. I like Ron-D a lot…up to the point he challenges “MAGA King”.
If you knew he was as GOPe-y as Romney or Jeb Bush, would you like DeSantis a lot?
If you knew that DeSantis running for Florida Governor and doing the things he has done so far was all to position him for a presidential run, and not because he really cares about the citizens of Florida, would you like him a lot?
Give it up. Practically all politicians are egomaniacs. That’s practically why they’re politicians in the first place. It’s common practice to use a Congressional seat or a governorship as a stepping stone to other offices. I don’t love the practice, but that’s just reality. And yes, he may have presidential aspirations, but who cares? He’s done a good job for Florida, and I think he’ll do a good job for the United States when the time comes. That’s more than I can say about Pence, Haley, Pompeo, Cheney, etc.
but, he’s this year’s Pence, Haley, Pompeo, Cheny, etc……… please don’t fall for the campaign to stop MAGA
Chris is not “falling for” it.
He’s an operative. The Treehouse version of what Rush use to call “seminar callers.”
We’re on to him. ROLCON.
The DeSantis operatives are probably upset that we’re challenging their God-created candidate. 🙂
No Serena. If I “knew” those things, I wouldn’t “like him a lot” or at all. But you see, I don’t know. Nor do you.
What I understood from SD article is there’s an attempt by GOPe to co-opt DeSantis. They very well may do it too.
What I don’t understand is why my “like” of RD or my “hope” he heeds PDJT warning and get behind MAGA should be condemned speech or “disallowed” on this site as recommended in a previous post.
This ain’t Twitter here Dear.
Maybe you haven’t had the opportunity to read all of the other articles about DeSantis. Sundance has been posting them for a couple of months I think, and in the discussions we’re all doing a lot of additional research. It has become totally obvious to some/many of us that DeSantis has divorced himself from Trump and MAGA because that’s what his handlers want him to do, and they are rewarding him handsomely with contributions right now to do it. Did you know about the Trump-like rallies in AZ and PA and other states? About DeSantis cruising the country to meet with wealthy donors? He’s supposedly running for Florida Governor re-election but you wouldn’t be able to tell by all of his effort to position himself nationally.
We know what he’s doing. We know who’s controlling him.
Exactly. By their fruits you shall know them.
I wish people understood that we deplorables do not think Trump is the next messiah – rather he is the embodiment of what the establishment/swamp/deep state despise. He is not ‘one of them’. He is one of us, has already made his billions, and has no need for the graft being offered – he cannot be bought. I hope the RNC is not successful in their attempts to fracture their own party.
Thank you, Sundance. As the saying goes, “Once you see the puppet strings, you can’t unsee them.”
I suspect that some here are lukewarm on a good day towards Donald John Trump. It shows. They so desperately want to get behind a “kindler, gentler” candidate and, for them, it ain’t Donald Trump.
Others are commenting here to steer MAGA off the rails. These people already know what Governor DeSanctimonious is really up to when it comes to the ‘National’ stage. And they are more than happy to foil all us knuckle draggers in 2024..
Sundance is right. Whatever you think of “Trump” is irrelevant when it comes to Ron DeSanctimonious. Ron is definitely *not* the one to carry MAGA in 2024. He is being funded and groomed by THEM. End of story.
Terrific essay. I hope that more eyes are opened re the establishment/uni party. Look what happened to the “tea party”. Trump’s comment will not affect FL gov race but may wake up DeSantis and others…we need new leadership in R party to replace Jeb!, Rove, Ryan, etc….
I voted for Trump twice. The other options were a hideous. I don’t think Trump should run again. We need most of Washington replaced by folks who didn’t grow up during the Cold War. The rest of the world learned from the fall of the Soviet Union and are progressing. We didn’t and we’re failing miserably. Ask yourself one question. Was the Swamp smaller, the same size or bigger at the end of Trumps first term? Until he can recognize that the Swamp is the problem (not the media) and identify how to drain it and identify who he is going to bring in to his inner circle that know how to drain the swamp, I don’t see any reason for him to run, other than, “I’m not the Demoncrats”.
Did you enjoy low gas prices? Secure border? Lower income tax? ZERO inflation? Peace with Kim Jong Un? Putin and Xi held in check? Return of manufacturing? ISIS wiped out of Syria? Renegotiation of crappy NAFTA? etc etc.
That all came from Trump being the President. And the reason why we don’t have it right now is because Trump is no longer the President.
THINK.
Please show us evidence of your claim that “The rest of the world learned from the fall of the Soviet Union and are progressing.”
Doc: “the rest of the world learned from the fall of the Soviet Union and are progressing”. DID YOU ACTUALLY BELIEVE WHAT YOU WROTE?
You don’t think the media is the problem? You’re a troll.
Even if Trump never runs again, he is now the standard and the “king maker.” He showed what can be accomplished when the American leadership loves Americans and exposed the corrupt quid pro quo pretenders. MAGA is here to stay and DJT will always be it’s leader even far into the future when we are all gone.
Anyone who doubted the foundation of one Ron Desantis need only to look at his ‘response’ to the Mar-a-Lago raid — in his very own state.
Good governor for the fine folks of Florida? You betcha’. But, that’s it…unless he decides to grow a set like Kari Lake.
It’s sad. DeSantis showed such promise. He easily could have been President in 2028, if he played his cards right. But now he’s on the verge of destroying his entire political career. He needs to stop listening to UNIPARTY voices and wake up.
Money talks ….. Ron DeSanctimonious has $200 million swamp dollars screaming at him and he took it and ran.
I would add there is another, obvious threat to RDS, and the GOPe has recognised it, and spent 10’s of millions to try to neutralise it, to no avail.
RDS is FAKE MAGA; he talks tough to the press, “like Trump”, he does certain acts, like publically taking on Disney, or shipping illegals to marthas vinyard, CALCULATED to foster a “Trump like” image.
His actual policies are not so much MAGA, as traditional conservative, with a MAGA coat of paint.
Point is, an actual MAGA Governor, wielding the tremendous power available to a Governor, would quickly expose the ruse, without ever having to mention Ron.
Hence, $30 million was spent, in the PRIMARY in Az, to defeat KL, and Mastriano had similar daunting amounts spent against him.
The big $ people behind GOPe were terrified because they know once KL or Mastriano get in office, Ron will be like Haley; yesterdays news.
I understand Sundance was giving a brief review of RECENT history, as context.
Truth is, the GOPe intentionally worked to undermine a # of populist/nationalist candidates, over the years using splitters, ballot box stuffing in primaries, Oct surprises, and throwing the race to the Dems.
Those new to the R party, drawn in by MAGA may be unfamiliar with the history.
Read up on 1964 Goldwater campaign.
Back At Ya’!
Wow. Great article. Excellent read.
Beautifully stated Sundance. Thank you.
And all the Pearl clutching from deceptiCons is so laughable. ‘how could Trump say that just 3 days before rongod is up for reelection?!?’. 🙄. As if desanctimonious is in danger of losing.
If he is in danger of losing the state of Florida, there ain’t no way he’s a contender for the presidency.
One PT nickname and the the DeSantistans are losing their sh*t. These folks are MAGA alright! \s 😂
To me, this the money sentence from the article. Ron DeSantis is the tool, and the splitter strategy is, well, the strategy. It’s a shame DeSantis can’t see he’s being used, but hopefully, he will wise up. But if he doesn’t he will kill his political career–and along with it, perhaps even the MAGA movement.
As Sundance said, keeping control of the Republican party is–in the minds of those who run it–worth destroying the country and average Americans. And anyone who can be used to achieve that goal is nothing more than collateral damage.
I think DeSantis is totally into it because of the $$$$ and the dangling carrot of presidency.
What normal person would allow themselves to be the subject of the God ad? If I were a candidate and someone presented that idea to me I’d laugh and say “hell no!”.
The elixir of power-real power-is more addictive and controlling than any drug, and more seductive and alluring than 72 virgins! And so Ron has succumbed to the GOPe sirens who are whispering so sweetly in his ear promising him the ultimate goal.
But it is a trap, a lie. DeSantis is being used to destroy Trump, the America-First movement and even this country.
And the Pilot ad!
His swamp filled $200 million war chest says Ron DeSantis knows exactly what’s going on and is A-ok with it.
$200 million for his Florida Governor re-election campaign. 🙂 lol
“It’s a shame DeSantis can’t see he’s being used …”
Why do you think he can’t see this? Why do you think DeSantis is not completely on board with being bought and used?
Why? Because once upon a time many, many years ago I was sort of in the “business”. I saw how they make the sausage. And I saw how people act to and respond to power, and those in or near power.
Very, very alluring. Almost irresistible.
So, while perhaps foolish and naïve of me, I’m trying to give the governor the benefit of the doubt as I can well imagine what he is being tempted with.
That said, at some point he will no longer have that benefit if he decides to heed the siren song of his and this country’s destruction.
Then, if you are right, and he is not complicit, and he is “falling for it,” then that makes him far too naive to be a candidate for the most important office in the world.
First off what is Rick Scott doing with O’Dea and Racketeer Ronna? DeSantis had to go search for cash because Floridian’s weren’t stepping up as we have been ignored on election security concerns. Kari Lake doesn’t seem to have a small dollar donation issue.
Rick Scott is a RINO, the GOPes are also begining to promote him as McConnell’s replacement.
Thune is the Turtle’s proposed replacement
He is my nemesis and I will vote for his opponent.
He can’t go Thune enough.
Amazing to see how easily the Influencers are able to place doubt about Trump to our friends on Twitter. I’ve spent the last 24 hours gently responding to these misguided sheep. Hoping to open their eyes to new forms of deception. Ugh!
Probably paid disruptors. The grooming of DeSantis is quite transparent, they’re doing rallies, they’re on social media … and he’s into it too, which makes it all the more disgusting.
In 1980, Ronald Reagan rode a populist wave to the capture the republican nomination for president, and the Rockefeller republicans HATED him for it. Reagan was forced ar=t the convention to accept Bush The Elder in the VP slot in an effort the “heal the party”. The establishment republicans NEVER accepted Reagan, but they endured 8 years of him because the people loved him, and they new that their man was waiting in the wings when the Reagan years were over.
I would not be surprised to see this scenario repeated in 2024 with Trump and DeSantis. The establishment is marking their man well in advance.
Author Roger Stone’s Latest Conspiracy Theory: George H.W. Bush
Behind Reagan Assassination Attempt – CBS Philadelphia (cbsnews.com)
The Deep State tried to take him out once but didn’t have the stones to try twice. So to speak.
I’m truly disappointed in DeSantis. Not only should he have refused to become part of the quest for the continuation of the ‘Uniparty’, but he should have actually publicized the activity behind the scenes, that were the attempt to derail MAGA. While he had been great for FL, I wonder if I can ever trust his motives again.
Regarding our Trump ‘murder weapon’….if he accomplishes a second term, I hope that he has a bit more savvy, and doesn’t surround himself with Deep State actors like during his first term. The fact that many of these actors, after Trump was literally removed from office, have come out and bragged about misleading Trump, giving him misinformation, etc., etc., shows the arrogance and confidence with which they operate. Hopefully Trump is paying close attention.
DeSantis isn’t that dumb. The way the Deep State could probably got DeSantis to jump ship was by showing him incontrovertible proof that DJT will be eliminated from a 2024 run. If DeSantis jumped ship and took their money without solid proof Trump would be eliminated for him, then his IQ must really be in the 85-90 range.
It’s somewhat obvious that they will try to get rid of Trump. But the endorsements of say, Paul Ryan, indicates that their motives are not good ones. And for DeSantis to join on, makes his questionable, as well.
This is a sad day
I’m getting the sense that Sundance feels like DeSantis has no idea what its like to actually play in the major leagues.
Cause he is a tool, and not really as sharp as his ego thinks.
Me too. I think he may be naieve to a certain degree. After all, not everyone is an educated Treeper.
When I heard about the Jeb Bush endorsement of Ron DeSantis; I had a feeling a deal had been made. Red flag
Remember she is Romney’s niece !
Althea you didn’t hear about Jeb Bush or Paul Ryan or anyone else endorsing Ron DeSantis for President. You couldn’t because Ron DeSantis nor Donald Trump or anyone has declared their candidacy for POTUS in 2024, nobody, not one soul.
What you heard about was Jeb Bush, Paul Ryan and others saying Ron DeSantis would make a formidable candidate. They were asked and they offered their opinions. Full Stop ✋️
You know who else given their opinion every election cycle? David Duke. If a candidates name passes the lips of David Duke the candidate must rush to the nearest microphone and disavow otherwise they are branded a racist. This is the same.
So what you heard about is from the rumor mill, because again nobody endorsed anybody because nobody has declared they are running including President Trump.
If Jeb Bush or Paul Ryan came out tomorrow and suggested The Conservative Treehouse has strong opinions or good posts, interesting comments would that be an endorsement? Would that make Sundance GOPe?
If Jeb! & Paul Ryan are for RD, then I’m against him. Look at how the are continuously running down Trump. I even remember reading where Paul Lying, I mean Ryan, said Trump would not be a candidate in 2024. Why did he say that?
Paul Ryan is a typical govno.
Nonsense, Jeb’s and Paul Ryan’s money people are behind Ron, and they tell him how to act. If DeSantis uses the same people behind him for money and his “program,” then he wants those endorsements and he uses them.
Somebody making excuses?
At this point any prominent Republican who promotes anyone other than DONALD TRUMP for POTUS in 2024 is either an utter moron or a middle-of-the-road fake conservative. Simple solution? When asked who they may endorse, say “No comment.”
Will somebody tell somebody that an endorsement from David Duke is not even close to one from Jeb! or Paul, both GOPe insiders. They weren’t casually responding to a question. They are leading the pack not only with words but with deeds by fundraising.
Just STOP with your GASLIGHTING. It’s abusive.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/11/06/gop-megadonor-desantis-24-ken-griffin-00065274
Go back to Team DeSanctimomious and ask them why Jeb’s man Ken Griffen decided today to release this.
Wake up and grow up.
When a public figure receives a controversial statement of support from a well-known individual, that public figure should disavow it publicly or else the public could decide that he accepts it.
This applies whether or not the statement of support is made as an official endorsement.
This also applies whether or not the public figure has officially declared his candidacy for office.
The reason for this is to put a public controversy to rest about the public figure’s position so that the public will have information they need in order to make a decision about who they want to support or not support.
The public figure should desire to make this information publicly known to his potential supporters if he wants them to know where he stands and what he thinks about the statement.
Specifically, Ron DeSantis needs to publicly accept or reject Paul Ryan’s statement of support because it is highly controversial in the context of Ryan wanting to replace President Trump on the 2024 ticket with Ron DeSantis:
It should be clear why the public would want to know DeSantis’s position this issue.
Frank Luntz – McCarthy’s ” Landlord ”
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/04/kevin-mccarthy-admits-he-rented-room-from-gop-pollster-frank-luntz.html
Off hand comments do not exist for politicians. Every word out of their mouths is scripted. If Jeb complimented RDS, he was instructed to do so and his words have meaning. Your mincing of the endorsement word notwithstanding.
I love Sundance, wish we here to the north had one. Many that I speak to know who Sundance is, hope they are reading. I do not question them, but by some comments, I know they do. God Bless Sundance. Cheers from Castro land.
I hadn’t heard that Jeb endorsed Ron DeSantis.
I’m disgusted
Perhaps he endorsed him for Governor, but it would be impossible to endorse him for POTUS because nobody has declared they are running🙄
What Jeb said is something to the effect that DeSantis would be a formidable candidate when asked about him running.