The ‘cut to the chase‘ aspect of whether Ron DeSantis is planning to run for the GOP nomination in 2024 is made clear when you realize just how much money the Florida governor has amassed. A standing total exceeding $200 million.
That $200 million is not only a staggering amount far beyond the need for his virtually certain governor’s victory, but also the largest amount of campaign money ever assembled by a governor in the history of politics {citation}. Meg Whitman, California ($176 million), and Jay Pritzker, Illinois ($176 million), were both multi-millionaires and funded the majority of their war chest. Almost all (96%) of DeSantis’ money is coming from multinational corporations, hedge funds, Wall Street firms and billionaires {citation}.
For those who are unfamiliar with the strategies of political funding, there is a timing that also highlights the intent. A conspicuously aligned timing that coincides with the Trump raid on Mar-a-Lago. Campaign finance reports are required and filled out quarterly. DeSantis had a massive war chest assembled through August 5th.
That finance revelation was immediately before the August 8th raid, before the week in the bunker, and before DeSantis reemerged August 14th with a new national branding team and communication change.
DeSantis took in even more billionaire donor checks with the national kick-off.
Everybody familiar with politics knows what that level of preparation and strategy means. DeSantis wasn’t amassing money of that scale, and simultaneously launching a new national branding campaign, for a state reelection bid. He was/is preparing for a 2024 presidential run. The only question was whether DeSantis had direct knowledge of the August 8th raid on Trump in advance, or whether he was just told not to ask questions and follow the advice of his new GOPe team. The latter is more likely.
That said, the best laid plans of mice and men were disrupted by the MAGA response to the Trump raid. As noted in the article shared by President Trump today, the professional republican donor class had -not accidentally- done a great job using their piranhas to nibble away at Trump’s support prior to the August 8th raid. However, the raid rallied the base of MAGA back to defend Donald Trump.
By the time DeSantis came out of his pre-planned bunker phase (Aug 8th through Aug 14th) the support for Donald Trump had surged again. The professionally republican handlers launched the national DeSantis campaign into indefatigable pro-Trump headwinds. DeSantis Inc stuck to the plan, but the benefit they anticipated was not there.
Unfortunately for DeSantis there’s no good way to retreat from the 2024 strategy his handlers and donors have mapped out. They have pushed him ‘all-in.’ I don’t think it’s possible for DeSantis Inc to back-down after accepting all that GOPe money, unless there is a way for them to return or redirect it.
The article President Trump shared today is a good contextual article describing the accuracy of the Trump -v- DeSantis landscape as it existed on August 29th, the date it was written.
One of the citations in the article points to John Thomas who was prepared with a pro-DeSantis PAC if the republican plan against Trump had succeeded.
As noted, the plan didn’t succeed, and with the outcome of the fulcrum event, the Mar-a-Lago raid, not having the desired effect, Thomas has now abandoned the idea of using the PAC to advance DeSantis.
(Business Insider) – […] But at least one GOP operative — John Thomas, founder and president of the political advertising and strategy group Thomas Partners Strategies — thinks it’s better for DeSantis to wait than to try to challenge Trump in 2024.
“I wouldn’t advise him to go head to head with Trump,” Thomas told Insider. “It’s not gonna go well for DeSantis.”
Until recently, Thomas was independently readying a political action committee to support DeSantis running for president.
But now he predicts DeSantis would be unsuccessful if he tried to challenge Trump. If DeSantis were to run, he said, he wouldn’t have to just compete with Trump’s name recognition and donor network. DeSantis would also risk seeing what would happen if Trump’s followers suddenly viewed him as anti-Trump.
Right now, DeSantis is seen as not just pro-Trump but as being Trump 2.0, Thomas said. To run against Trump, he said, DeSantis would have to convince Trump’s core electorate to break away from him.
“Right now he can have his cake and eat it too,” he said. “He can be Trumpy and supportive. But he would have to argue that he’s better, or Trump is bad. And that is a fault line that is probably a bridge too far for the Republican electorate in 2024.” (read more)
He will lose should he run. We have had enough Republican traitors to last a lifetime4. If he wants to run after Trump gets his second term or if he wants to take the vice-president path to the Whitehouse, so be it, he will have this voters support.
OR if Trump endorses him.
If not, he will just be more of the same, catering, not to me, but to those billionaire, Wall Street Donors.
I am REALLY tired of stab in the back politicians.
The plan and Republicans are in on it. Is to indict Trump in early 2024 or when he his the Primary pick and than dog him with litigation.
That is what I would do. DeSantis should sit it out, but I doubt he does.
Indict him for what?
He’s by far and away the most law abiding President this country has ever had.
The DOJ have been flipping the school desks upside down that Trump sat in as a child in grammar school hoping to find improperly disposed of chewing gum that they can perform DNA tests on to indict .
That’s exactly the purpose of lawfare: the reason doesn’t matter when they indict someone. It’s the process, expense, and optics that are the goal and penalty-guilt is irrelevant. Consider the raid in MaL: Trump has to pay for the entire special master team just to protect his rights.
I’m am skeptical of the “their gonne indict” narrative.
A different take would be, with Durham announcement that his phoney investigation, which was for the purpose of HAVING an “ongoing investigation” that served the purpose of blocking PDJT releasing the docs, they needed a new “ongoing investigation” to serve that purpose.
Or, as they have done all along, an investigation (also seemingly never ending, while never actually going anywhere) just to fuel headlines, and smearing ‘leaks’ that turn out to be lies.
The Mueller investigation, the various tax investigations, etc. all never led to indictments.
The BS need to maintain document “classified” status in order to protect “sources and methods” is so much hollowed out doggie doo. IIRC, SunDance is telling us that the current DoJ contention with the special master is that any Crossfire Hurricane documents must remain classified to protect national security.
You get it, unconquered one.
We know what Lawfare is all about and so does Judge Cannon and Special Master Dearie.
DOJ-NSD Lawfare is going to get some Lawfare thrown their way.
It’s important to remember who he’s dealing with. They don’t have to actually prove anything. He can be indicted for whatever is in the Witches’ cauldron at the moment. (Lavrentiyy Beria rules apply.)
Uh, does it matter?
He suffered the impeachment process twice for absolutely no good reason.
“Orange man bad” seems to be enough for those who hate him.
There was this guy, Jesus! They hated him for holding the religious leaders accountable.
Don’t ever think religion or politics are different.
Good? Law abiding? Those are faults in our world.
In our world where satan is the god of this age.
You are under the impression that THEY give a damn about the law. It isn’t whether they have enough to convict him, it’s the process. The process of lawfare is to drag out to the nano scale all legal processes that have been invented to destroy people. Trump could be frozen in time and they would find a reason to indict and carry out lawfare.
Perhaps they’ll attempt to say that PDJT used to shower with a 10yo Ivanka? Oh wait … that’s no longer a disqualification for the Highest Office in the land.
Mercy, we have so many false prophets on here who have no inside information but love to try and look big. I’m sure all involved savor your wisdom and knowledge. .
Whether or not DeSantis sits it out will show:
We shall see…
I don’t NEED to “wait and see” and IMHO anyone who does is allowing their emotions to sway their thinking.
Its like with Barr; once I realised McConnell had consented to his confirmation, I KNEW he was a snake, and didn’t need to wait to see him bite PDJT and us.
I knew Desantis for what he IS, LONG before the MAL raid, or his “making his move”; all I had to do was review all of his statements condemning the 2020 election, and calling it out as a Steal.
Crickets speaks VOLUMES.
Once we have ONE MAGA Governor, excercising the massive power available to a Governor, to enact MAGA policies, the compare and contrast will be career destroying for any mainstream Republican trying to take on the MAGA mantle.
THATS what MAGA candidates DO; JUST like the 2016 debate stage, where none could go toe to toe with DJT.
ALREADY KL stands head and shoulders above RD, and she’s not in, yet.
Once she is, and begans to implement extreme federalism, ALL that $ RDS has accumulated will be as useless as low energy Jebs “war chest”, and if RDS is stupid enough to try to challenge PDJT, he will look as rediculous as Cruz at the convention.
As I have made a promise to myself to NEVER again vote for a Mainstream Republican, as far as I sm concerned, I will never vote for RDS; NOT in 2024, 2028, not ever.
Once they own you, you don’t break free.
The silence is the issue, they plan to remove trump or he would speak up.
Coincidence, his wife had cancer? Or she recovered?
Nothing is beyond reality anymore. I know that shot has increased the cancer rates, they have the technology.
I can’t legally vote😉 being a Canadian and all, but I agree with you.
Why vote for a snake.
IMO Pence was a foolish man.
He could have “flipped the Swamp the bird,”and gone all in for PDJT.
President Trump would have supported Pence for 2028.
Now Pence is just another “potted plant”
Cheers!
A “traitor” potted plant.
I started worrying about Pence long before Jan 2021. When I saw the Dems winding up for impeachment, it hit me that they had some intimation that Pence would play ball with them.
When the battle is for the highest stakes, if you can you try for a Veep who the opposition fears almost as much as your Number 1.
That’s why Obama chose Biden, and Biden, Harris. It may be why back in the day, Nixon chose Agnew.
The only person I am sure would be as tough on the Swamp would be Devin Nunes, after him I also trust Palin, but she would be close to a rookie in that kind of fight. She does have the guts, but doesn’t know all the tricks.
Truth…and I agree.
Isn’t that the only way the constitutional Republic can be saved? To get control and “own” people – just like the progressives have done. The problem is not in the owning. It’s in who is doing the owning.
The real way is to reduce the power and money available at the center. The worst people try harder than anyone else to get there because of that. Disperse the temptation, and the quality of people in the center will get a little better. Disperse it enough, and we may find there are still giants in the land besides Trump.
I second this!
I had DeSantis pegged the second he became the fake news’s darling (Post Turtle)
Don’t rule out a soft hand-off by Trump to DeSantis. Go ahead and laugh.
No laughter here. I would need confirmation from Trump, but I have mentioned they might have a deal going before.
Mitch Steel , or Mitch McConnell?
Big Whoop!
PDJT can run for POTUS if he is indicted…he qualifies for that OFFICE under the CONSTITUTION.
NO fraudulent DOG&PONY Show from a DC Grand Jury has any authority, other than to make a complete mockery of our judicial system, (which has been done for quite some time now).
I will give DeSantis and the GOPe fair warning … I will NOT be voting for ANY (R) if Trump is indicted. None. Zero. I’d rather let our country collapse into a Socialist hell hole (even more than it currently is) … than support the Party that ousted Trump.
This whole 2024 discussion is silly. A lot is likely to change just in the next 6 months, like Europe freezing this winter, a deep global recession, perhaps the breakup of the EU, a collapse of China’s property bubble, etc. And Trump could be badly damaged if the vaccine injuries continue to grow. Trump is also not a young man. Let’s focus on supporting the Trump-endorsed MAGA candidates in November, then see what happens.
Trump should not be held responsible for any vaccine injuries. The medical experts are at fault. He never mandated taking the vaccine. He wanted to do everything to help the American people. He tried to push alternative medicines, but the media tried to crucify him. I hope these young Trump-endorsed MAGA candidates will fight to change the mess the Democrats and RINOs have made. Trump may not be a young man, but his courage is amazing!
I totally agree. We’d probably still be locked down if Trump hadn’t push the vaccine through. I think it disrupted their plan. And he never would have mandated the jab for a single person as President. But the fact remains that he helped to push it ahead (“warp speed”) and if, God forbid, 10’s of millions drop dead from it then some of that falls on him, especially with him still praising it.
I haven’t heard him doing that as of late.
I believe he really is praising the “WWII” type effort to get ventilators and the vaccine out to the public. I took the advice of my doctor. My doctor, a medical expert, advised me to take the shot. I could never blame my doctor if something adverse happens to me. President Trump took the advice of the government agencies responsible for public health. My doctor did the same. My doctor never mandated that I had to take the shot. It was my free will decision. I appreciate your response.
Perhaps your doctor advised you to take the shot because he risked having his license to practice pulled. Many doctors have had that happen to them as have honest scientists been censored and worse. After all it is about $$$$, power, control
My doctor has not said a word about taking the jab to me or hubby.
According to Trump’s on words he also took the jab, and DeSantis did as well. We will lucky if either of them are alive in another two years. Here’s praying for you health to continue also.
Just one question. How could anyone including your doctor convince you to take an experimental so-called vaccine where long term consequences were unknown, to essentially participate in a drug trial program. Are you incapable of thinking for yourself?
Dear Ladybama,
Thanks. I appreciate your comments as well.
In December 2021 Trump praised the jab. “The vaccine is one of the greatest achievements of mankind,”
I was shocked by his statements. And, yes, I watched the video, and did not rely on fake-news reports. He really said it.
Let’s all stay focused on the MAGA candidates in November, and recalibrate after that.
That Dog won’t hunt for very long once the TRUTH comes out.
I expect a whole lotta truth to be coming out sooner than anyone can imagine and I believe PDJT will be the messenger, perhaps in a round-about fashion.
PDJT has definitely backed off any mention of COVID jabs. Wisely so.
He thought getting a vax in record time was a good thing and would save lives. Little did he know it wasn’t a vax and it would be a killer.
Who do all the other countries blame for the shot??
Exactly
ps. Remember, 45 left the decision of business closures and mandates to the states to decide.
Look to your governor and vote accordingly.
Absolutely.
In the early stages of the “pandemic” rollout (when Trump was in office) almost no one knew how dangerous the CCP bioweapon was going to be. I suspect even its designers didn’t really know. Within a few short months it became increasingly clear that only vulnerable populations (old, infirm, immuno-deficient) were at any kind of significant risk.
Best response of all. Two years is a long time, and DeSantis – who has been doing a generally superb job here in Florida – still needs to win an expensive gubernatorial election this year.
Crist almost seems to be throwing the match. He endorsed ‘vaccine passports’ the other day… in a tourist state! He is nit real.
Considering that we are less than 6 months away from candidates declaring for President, it’s very instructive to watch the maneuvering. Why close your eyes to how the sausage is made?
And you’re missing the whole point Sundance is making. If Ron is being bought now, how will he be un-bought in 2 years?
Don’t lose the signal in the noise.
“Don’t lose the signal in the noise.”
Precisely!
I agree. But our focus should be on November and the MAGA candidates. We should of course keep an eye on the GOPe maneuvering for 2024, as they are the biggest enemy of all. And let’s all say a prayer for Trump. He’s already given us so much.
The world is likely to change dramatically by the time that the 2024 candidates begin to announce formally in 6 months. It is nearly certain that Europe’s industry will shutdown for lack of energy, and a breakup of the EU is a real possibility.
And China will see a dramatic drop in exports as the global recession kicks in, so their real estate bubble will become even more unstable.
“We will not solve our problem by electing the right people. We will only solve our problem by making it politically profitable for the wrong people to do the right thing.” — Milton Friedman
I agree. And someone I know has been saying for a long time, and I think she’s correct, is that if the GOP don’t win the midterms, then Trump probably won’t choose to run.
She’s wrong on two counts: Firstly its NOT about “the GOP” winning the midterms, it hasn’t been about that from the start of the campaign season.
This is NOT a “GOP vs DNC” election; it is “MAGA vs RINO” election, and whoever this “she” is, if she doesn’t recognise that fundamental reality, I would urge you to be skeptical of any predictions she makes.
And MAGA candidates, while we will have SOME losses, are doing EXTREMELY well, so far.
And, its NOT a matter of “will he or won’t he?”, he is ALREADY running, the decision is DONE.
Again, anyone who doesn’t see that is blind, OR allowing emotions to cloud judgement.
IMHO
You say he’s already running. I say PDJT is smart enough not to show his cards at this point.
I agree that it’s more nuanced with MAGA and GOPe. However, if the Dems win, that’s significantly worse than GOPe.
If the Dems hold the house and senate, I’m not convinced Trump will run.
And if the Dems win, I also believe it will be due to fraud, again – assuming nothing significantly different changes between now and the election.
Having said all that – I also believe that it will take a few election cycles to get rid of enough (the vast majority) of the establishment GOP.
“And Trump could be badly damaged if the vaccine injuries continue to grow.”
Bull roar. Trump intended the vaccine for the elderly and those susceptible due to other diseases only.
PDJT KNEW the DS and their traitorous GOPe allies intended to keep America SHUTDOWN for the longterm…..he saw a way to cut through their red tape and excuses to get America open again…….he is a bit of a self-promoter and salesman so has trouble letting go of anything he has heavily invested into……if he had honest advisors or took a good look he would see he was once again misled by Big Pharma this time about the abilities and results of the so-called “vaccines” developed
Don’t leave out nukes.
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There is no one trusted enough to replace Trump. Trump could hand it off, if for instance his health declined, but no one could step in without his say-so, and his kids etc. are no substitutes.
Thank you for being level-headed in all this turmoil. Our enemy is the US wing (made of up both Ds and Rs) of the WEF pushed suicide of the West. This is a global shift. Major hardship is brewing and normal politics is out the window. The fact that millions of people have been injected with a spike protein, endorsed by Trump, even though he may have been hood-winked by the Pharma cartel, is a fact we will all have to recon with.
Big pHarma tried to hoodwink us all, hence the foia request for the clinical trial data that the FDA went to court to slow walk for 75 years.
All you people pushing this argument expose how many sheeple we have in this country.
Where is YOUR critical thinking? Where is your search for info? There was plenty of negative info out very quickly, most by doctors and researchers, why didn’t you view it?
At least 30% of the country refused the vaxxines. For cause. Why didn’t you? Why do you blame someone else for your personal decision?
People need to learn to think for themselves and stop following authority. That is exactly why we are in the mess we are. Pay less attention to football and more to the things going on in real life.
I like Trump because he presents the arguments and allows you the freedom to make up your own mind. I listen to his arguments and I dig a bit. So far he’s been amazingly prescient on many things. I still don’t blindly believe everything he says, I verify the best I can.
He’s also human-he makes mistakes or gets bad info too. He’s not a cult leader; don’t be a cult follower, of any cult.
Stand up and think, don’t blindly follow.
Information was NOT readily available early days
Sure it was. That’s why I didn’t get the vax.
It took native skepticism to find it, especially for people in blue states surrounded by the victims of Mass Formation Psychosis.
I barely made my mind up in time to skip it, due largely to treepers providing alternate sources of information (thank sundance and all of you!). I was signed up to get the J&J, with great misgiving, the very day it was “paused.” Dodged the spike-protein bullet.
To demonstrate how brainwashed the people here are: Yesterday I was at an (outdoor, still) musician party (many here are still superstitious about singing in closed spaces).
One of the attendees was at the food table proclaiming “I’ve had five shots! I take every shot they’ll give me and I ask for more! Masks work because I didn’t get COVID when someone else did!”
He later told the tale of a medical nightmare he’s been going through with a detached retina and cataracts 20 years earlier than most people get them.
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The vax wasn’t even out in the early days
follow the amish less government no vax and voted for Trump 100%
Vaccine injuries have NOTHING to do with President TRUMP. Now or ever. Period.
Thank you!
Everyone is ready to kick President Trump to the curb at the chance of DeSantis. This is why we lose. The @RepublicanParty is DEAD. It’s MAGAPARTY TIME. Eat shit and die GOPe.
people have not only lost their way, but are lacking in critical thinking skills
has it always been this way and I just never noticed?
schools K-12 and colleges have intentionally shifted in their methodology of education…..no longer are independent thinkers the desired commodity but those that comply with the orthodoxy are sought over all others
Age is relative to some degree. 45 has never smoked, done drugs, no alcohol, genetics: DOD dad – 93; mom – 88; very active – still working long hours; mentally astute; good physical health; and gets a lot of walking exercise via golf.
No one is guaranteed tomorrow – regardless of one’s age. But, 45 has everything in his favor for living a lot longer.
Regarding the jab, bet he’s detoxing. Stupid he ain’t.
“And Trump could be badly damaged if the vaccine injuries continue to grow.”
Trump hired a task team to advise him on the vaxx. Guess who was one of those decision-makers? DeSantis. DeSantis has more to lose here than Trump.
This whole 2024 discussion is silly.
It’s not silly, Phil. DeSantis is already campaigning for President, he just hasn’t officially announced yet. That’s why he’s doing the rally tours and meeting with big-$$$ donors all over the US. He’s raking in a massive amount of cash which I’m sure he’s hoping he can transfer over to his presidential campaign because the FEC has proven with another candidate that they won’t enforce the rules.
The media, including Dem media, has been reporting that DeSantis is Trump’s replacement, “America’s Governor”, etc. It’s a carefully orchestrated campaign to get Trump supporters to switch over to DeSantis. What his handlers didn’t understand is that we’re not stupid and superficial. We watch carefully what’s going on.
It’s best to know who DeSantis is now before the 2024 primary season commences.
Trump damaged because of vaccine injuries??? Really?? He’s not the president at this time and this illigitimate administration is the one still pushing it
He should endorse Trump and wait until 2028 to run for president.
The Uniparty-R is behind de Santis and it all stinks like putrid swamp. He has probably been groomed as anti Trump for quite some time. de Santis in 2028 would be the same as de Santis in 2024.
The GOPe forced Bush into the White House on Reagan’s coattails to sabotage all that Reagan did, and could have done. Pence was pushed onto Trump by the same syndicate to the same end. The pattern continues with de Santis
Something makes you think de Santis will change colors and loyalty by 2028? Not been screwed and betrayed by the GOPe quite enough yet? You might still be suffering from battered conservative syndrome.
“That $200 million is not only a staggering amount far beyond the need for his virtually certain governor’s victory, but also the largest amount of campaign money ever assembled by a governor in the history of politics…………. Almost all (96%) of DeSantis’ money is coming from multinational corporations, hedge funds, Wall Street firms and billionaires“
It is not a club anyone walks away from.
And when you get hundreds of millions from bad actors to get out of a Atlantic city mess.
It is not a club anyone walks away from.
Certainly, the DOJ is looking into it. Or maybe it’s on the back burner for Impeachment 3.
I believe DeSantis is legit because, in FL, he has gone miles beyond what is normally needed to adequately pretend to be legit. That, BTW, is his strength. Unlike other GOP pols, DeSantis anticipates and neutralizes. He’s the best I’ve seen at it. He would have anticipated the J6 setup and neutralized it.
you’re wrong. desantis has been taking orders all his life. only one who understands economy is Trump…everyone else is a chump. there is no national desantis voter. period
There are a lot of national AntiDeSantis voters. If he runs against Trump, DeSantis will lose my vote forever because he is not MAGA.
Really? Like he neutralized the Mar-A-Lago raid?
Oh wait he didn’t, he allowed it to proceed in hopes it would take out his rival.
DeSantis is now dirty, very dirty.
Yes. A stern reminder too many are eager to forget.
Yes! I would love sundance to give his opinion on ways that DeSantis could have neutralized that raid ahead of time, assuming he knew, which is not a stretch by any means.
It’s Holmes’ dog that did not bark.
Also treepers? Suggestions? I have no idea of Florida state law visavis the feral gummint…
feds need state and county pers\mission to operate in their territory…if they are acting ILLEGALLY (as they were) deny them permission to act as LEO in your territory……OR station FDLE officers around MAL pre-raid as defenders against federal encroachment
Thank you, great info.
A good suggestion for the DeSantis office, I’d think!
Okay, let me put it this way.
You pretend to be MAGA after President Trump campaigned for you twice
in order to get elected. You do a lot of press grandstanding and virtual
signaling that you are a great MAGA governor. The press and the
conservative websites fall all over you.
Then, you decide you want to dethrone President Trump as president
and take money from the people who back the rinos and dems we MAGA
types want out of office.
Then you want to vote for him?
meaning 2 years later for president
not now, for governor. He can stay governor
because he is much better than the dem
and has some conservative qualities
whether he is a wolf in sheep’s clothing
doesn’t matter for the governor job because
he has a republican led legislature
lack of SEROUS effort in immigration reform against the federal flooding and election integrity statewide belies your statement….he does ENOUGH to appear MAGA but not enough to make a major difference
Yep
Trump has to formally declare first and that won’t happen for another 6 mos. That’s why all this premature DeSantis bashing is troubling to me
Why is it troubling to point out the ugly side of someone’s politics? Why shouldn’t we pay attention to where his campaign money comes from? It’s not going to change in 6 months.
As a Floridian, if DeSantis wins governor and then starts campaigning for President I am going to be very pissed.
He needs to know that now.
I’m weighing whether it would be useful at all to call his offices and start saying just that.
what should be troubling to you is the amount of corporate donor
monies DeSantis is collecting
It is not bashing. It is the truth coming out.
It is much needed questioning of The Powers That Be.
That’s what we do here. And yes, it can be troubling when we have formed good opinions of some people. I was not happy to discover how bad Barr is. In fact, way back when I first got here, I was not happy to discover how bad Jonah Goldberg was. That was the first set of scales to fall from my eyes…
But I am very glad to have learned it now.
probably 2 months until PDJT announces
It’s going to be the most expensive self immolation in the history of American politics if DeSantis is dumb enough to take trump head on in a primary.
DeSantis could have 10 zillion in his campaign war chest, and Trump still wins even if he doesn’t spend a dollar.
People still don’t understand the trump phenomenon.
But the uniparty understands how to win the ballot count.
You forget PDJT “WE caught them ALL”…..
PDJT Does NOT Lie.
Yes he did. NSA had the goods. Remember when Trump FIRST OFF, visited Saudi Arabia, then Israel, then, Vatican, then Queen?
No, they don’t.
If you mean the counting of the DELAGATES to the Convention, for the Nomination;
TPTB in the party didn’t want Goldwater to get the nomination in 1964, but he did anyway.
Cause Barrys Boys implemented the Precinct Strategy.
TPTB in the Party didn’t want Reagan to get the nomination in 1980, but he did anyway, (after two previous tries) for the same reason.
And, we all know TPTB didn’t want DJT to get the nomination in 2016.
Now, if your talking voters ballots, if they had the control of election results some seem to think they have, none of PDJT’s endoresements would have survived the primaries.
They will not be able to market RDS as a splitter candidate, they are throwing their $ away if they try.
And they made sure to sabotage the anti-NAFTA/WTO MAFA movement lead by Pat Buchanan in the 90’s. Even made sure to allow illegal Chinese communist money to steal the primaries and the elections (primaries more important to box out MAFA) Meanwhile Gingrich & co deflected over the China treason with a impeachment that did not include treason which should have taken out much of the Clinton Admin & democrat campaign Finance Committee. I’m sure some Uniparty traitors would have been scooped up as well
how to cheat the true ballot count
Exactemundo.
IF RD really wants my vote in 2028, he should back Trump 2024. All in. That is what I want and expect. Also, That goes for every (R). Get on the Trump train….or get run over. Simple as that.
Fore warning to DeSantis. Keri Lake is ahead of you already for 2028.
Trump 2024!
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He’s already taking money from the people who want President Trump gone.
Just the fact that he would run in 2024. To knowingly put the Republican party nomination in jeopardy says it all to me. Meaning, making it possible that a democrat could win after dragging the republican party through a division. We as a party must get behind one candidate 100% to ensure a win. This is not negotiable. I heard fat boy, now saggy skin, ex secretary of state, is also challenging Trump in 2024. Guess we will see Pence, Nikki, Kristi, can you think of any other saboteurs, to enter to destroy our chances? That is unless they know something is going to happen to Trump. God I hope not, But I do not put it past these evil people. I know it has crossed Trumps mind.
yes, and actually, that is the bottom line
DeSantis is taking campaign monies from those who would
destroy the middle class and this country, large corporations
DeSantis was not outraged about the raid on President Trump’s home.
Ask yourself why?
its too late
DeSantis already betrayed President Trump
and doesn’t deserve our support
The sending illegals to Martha Vineyard, was it more a stunt to lift DeSantis than embarrass the lefties?
It can’t be both?
It was a brilliant move against the left and I hope he sends more. Personally, I don’t think DeSantis is going to run against Trump, but i’m guessing he will be prepared to run if Trump doesn’t. I don’t want to lose DeSantis as our Governor, so I hope he doesn’t run no matter what. If Trump runs, no matter who enters the race, Trump will win.
Amen
Irritated by the stunt. Proved MV “rich” people are bigots, illustrated illegal immigrants are pawns of the political trash and now illegals are being moved into the interior of the country to town near YOU!
Use that bus/plane we the tax payer pay for and move them off US soil. Stupid games.
RD doesn’t have a illegal immigration solution. From the nose bleed seats we see a PR sound bite.
The illegals have been flown and bussed all over the US by Potatus for nearly 2 years. They are already in our towns, kimosabe.
Why don’t the red states just send their national guard to the border? What the hell is wrong with these people. Let Biden take them to court.
I think the answer is yes
Those planes actually picked up illegals in San Antonio Tx. They were not in FL. So likely a political stunt.
Lex Greene
It has always been, and will always be; We the people!
Balderdash.
Well said.
Why people don’t understand this is beyond me…..this overwhelm them with our vote…. just isn’t going to get it IMO. They are brazen now. Believing they can get away with whatever they have to do. I hope I am wrong and after the cheat in 2022 and it is coming in key states, we shall see if ….we the people… put up with it yet again. If so …goodbye 2024 and our country.
Half of you can’t even get the narrative right. The real threat isn’t DeSantis running against DJT to be the Republican candidate – DJT wins that easily. The reality is that the real threat comes if he runs as a separate candidate in the general election. That’s one reason why DJT has sat on his hands about DeSantis as the pot stirring escalates. There are constraints on both of these pols.
Both DJT and RD live in the same state. Is there not a “rule” that there cannot be 2 candidates from the same state .
No.
they can but they lose home state EC votes if they do according to the US Constitution Article II Section 1 and 12th Amendment
Limbaugh and trump have / had a lot in common and when Limbaugh used to say, the only force strong enough to break trumps bond with the American people is trump himself. No way Desantis or any other Republican comes close. Trump is a once in a lifetime Godzilla. We will never see another trump in our lifetime. Desantis , et al can wait, morons.
PDJT doesnt need money nor th republican party…he runs independent and crushes all
MEGA DITTOS!!!
Desantis was prob set up. He is/was the next best thing to Trump. The Uniparty doesn’t want ANY Republican to win in 2024. The Uni-Rino’s job is much easier if they aren’t in control. So… what better way to get rid of DeSantis than set him up and screw him now? Word is out about the money. He sat back quietly for the raid. A few more well timed leaks and he is done as a future candidate.
The uniparty would actually be fine with a country club / chamber of commerce republican winning in 2024, so they can offload all the blame for the poor economic times that lay ahead on the republican party.
good point
set up to be a traitor to the one that brought you to the dance?
that’s a bit of reaching
While it’s fun to theorize about who’ll be in the 2024 primary, and who will run, we honestly have a much more pressing issue at hand, which seems to be not getting mentioned by anyone.
This election, there’s a very strong possibility that the Republicans will take both House and Senate*. We can anticipate significant reactions, and resistance, should this happen. Expect every R win to be overly scrutinized and challenged, and potentially candidates/staff/voters may be criminally charged by a NWO district attorney, in a hope to keep them from assuming office in January.
And as difficult as life has been for R’s, it’s about to get tougher, regardless of outcome.
If the enemy retains control, they will no longer be concerned with potential voter opinions or impact at the polls, expect active open government aggression towards all who aren’t in line with the party in control. And with no effective ability to get past corrupt bureaucracies, there is no methodology to check those activities.
But it’ll all be better if the R’s are successful this election you say? Eventually, but you not only have to give time for systems to heal and partisan bureaucrats to be removed and replaced, you also must survive the completely unaccountable lame duck current house and senate. And if they’ve already lost control, what do they fear? Certainly not Huber, or other ‘cover for the agencies’ types. And do remember until we have an honest AG and DNI, it’ll be the same old story over and over again.
I may be coming across as a doomsayer, and that is not my intent. What I’m trying to remind everyone of, we’re not out of the water by winning in the fall. We have to win big, keep fighting against the corrupt media/government/democrats/establishment until we can get people in place who want the US to once again be that Shining Light to the rest of the world, and ourselves. And we’ll have a Sisyphean task in front of us.
But do it we shall, not because it’s the right thing to do, or the desirable thing to do, but because we must, if the USA is survive the past decade or 2 or 3 of misdeeds.
*Unless McConnell and the other GOPe traitors can successfully throw the election.
If the GOPe takes the Senate, the enemy will stay in control when the uniparty elects the turtle as majority leader.
It will take 6 years to rid us of the Rhino’s and uniparty members. that is just the way it is.
I consider that the bare minimum. I suspect we’ll need a decade.
They didn’t ‘just’ start the process, this began long ago, and it will take many years, if not decades to correct the course.
Agreed. Hopefully we’ll see the “Uniparty Sleepers” by then.
One thing PDJT has is the ability to make them expose themselves voluntarily. All he has to do is focus a pocket flashlight and they lose their heads.
An amazing skill…and entertaining…
If we win…..can’t have a McConnell or McCarthy….Most important their agenda should be in motion/planned now….like Pelosi had the democrats ready to move. Republicans must move in Trump time to get things done ASAP.
depends on how many rinos are left and if most of them can get their arms twisted
to do the right things
I don’t know what Desantis is going to do, and I don’t want to wade into the murky waters of “Desantis v Trump” on merits. I trust Trump, and I’ll leave it at that.
But if Trump declares and Desantis does too, then Desantis basically ended his political career.
And I have to think he’s smarter than that.
I kind of suspect he’s building up momentum for a run for 2024 IF Trump doesn’t run, or 2028 if Trump does run.
Anything other than that spells political suicide for him. He won’t beat Trump in a primary, and he’ll be hated by the core MAGA folks. Trump is a symbol at this point for anti-establishment. Anyone going up against him will automatically assume the mantle of Establishment.
I honestly don’t think he’s that dumb.
45 had a sadness to him at tonight’s rally. Tone was off and his energy was less than 100%.
But he still gave us a jig to smile about.
I noticed it too….Did it have anything to do with empty seats?
? Thousands and thousands of people were there.
If the Trump momentum continues to build, DeSantis at some later point, will make a graceful exit. He’s not going to go seriously confrontational against Trump, because he knows it would irreparably alienate so many voters he will need in 2028. He may take it to the brink, but he won’t go over it. And he will build his loyalties within the party by campaigning for MAGA candidates.
XX is not smart ……… nor loyal ……. that is what his latest GOPe scheme exposes.
His win as governor of Florida should be his swan-song ……..
No one will ever trust him ……..
Funny, he’s not campaigning for MAGA candidates now, here in FL. Wonder why?
Oh, my.
Well, then. The “funny thing” list about him is certainly growing.
Trump will announce he’s running for president the day after the mid-terms.
DeSantis will not run in 2024 or be VP.
he can’t be trumps v.p. they both live in the same state.but i agree trump will announce the day after midterms.right now he is constrained by election finance laws and after the mid terms he is not.
Please , let’s be adults – people change state residency all the time …don’t you think PDJT can easily change his residency to NJ / NY whatever to avoid this issue if it by chance comes to that . He is not chained to a .Florida residency in perpetuity
again….why should PDJT change HIS residency to accommodate a running mate who is at best questionable?
Please which way do you want it – it is a hypothetical solution to a hypothetical problem , not saying it will be , but you keep saying it can’t be done, but your problem is easily solved which you seem to be fixated on ..
RDS is untrustworthy as an America First candidate at this point…let him establish his bona fides as FL Gov for 4 years and MAYBE he can rehabilitate himself….at this point I personally consider him as WORSE than Arnold and slightly better than VP Traitor and I would never consider either for POTUS….the PDJT-RDS discussion is moot and stupid from those suggesting it since RDS says he is not available in 2024 if PDJT runs………his handlers would never accept second fiddle for him with those sums invested
https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/gavin-newsom-proposes-nationally-televised-debate-with-governor-desantis/
I feel that the ongoing “feud” between Newsom and DeSantis is also being designed to set up DeSantis already in the minds of conservatives that it will be DeSantis taking on Newsom.
Sundance’s persistent search for truth even when it does not sit well with our expectations has been so important to my observations of the world around me.
Nothing is as it seems.
DD
It looks to me too that all we see with de Santis is being scripted with full cooperation by both factions of the Uniparty.
Yep. I don’t see Pelosi screeching about DeSantis.
The exposure of the Hegelian Dialectic Charades aka “Western Politics” fake right vs fake left
I could make a prediction right now that Newsome won’t be the flavor of the month when 2024 actually rolls around.
CA is about to fall off into the (metaphorical, political) sea.
There would be no Deaantis without Trump, period! Trump went to rally for him and made him.. so if he goes against Trump does not go over very well! Seems two faced!
Why can’t he wait until 2028? What’s the rush, DeSantis? You’re a young politician and you could ride in on the wave that Trump creates in HIS second term. You DEFINITELY won’t have my vote if you run against him.
It starts with an A and ends in an N ( with mbitio In middle ) He has run or tried for 3 offices in less than 10 years , a young man on the move …
he has been groomed and he is doing things with the whole Florida legislator (Rs) supporting him. This should tell you this is all kabuki. desantis has not been attacked personally ny the media….nor his family.What economic policies has desantis enacted?
Oh I think I’ve seen some attacks.
But come to think of it, so far pretty much only by twitter bluechecks and the like – unwashed Dim crazies in their basements, not ones who have any clue what their cabal is actually doing.
Thanks for the thought – I’ll try to keep an eye out for such and see whether it’s true the Pravda media has the kid gloves on for him.
He will never have my vote for President. Donor money and TPP. Two huge no nos.
Governor, yes. President, no.
It is most definitely a bridge too far. Promoting DeSantis is disloyal to the will of the people.
We the people stand in solidarity with the man who has —for years — been persecuted for standing up for us.
No one has ever fought so hard— and been punished so unrelentingly— than Donald John Trump.
It would be a very Judas maneuver. Don’t go there.
Trump 2024. Hopefully he makes Jared and Ivanka step aside as Navarro has insisted. Get Bannon back in there. Who will be the VP?
No Bannon, Bannon screwed Trump and he should not be trusted.
That was HR McMasters, not Bannon.
Ivanka & Jared helped with the exit of Bannon
I think it should be Ric Grennell. Or Kari Lake but she has a job to do in AZ first.
Or perhaps Nunes, Palin, Robinson, Jordan, Johnson
unfortunately, Grennell has health problems that limit his physical availability
Trump is MAGA KING!!!
There shall be no false Kings but He.
biden 2.0
Pooooor de-santi-s,
You can’t uncross a double-cross.
You double crossed President Trump, MAGA and the American citizens.
You, forever, will carry the XX brand……. you have earned it with your actions.
Let your win as governor of Florida be your swan-song ……..
You and kirk just may go down in history as the 2022 “dumbo twins.”
Something tons of commenters are ignoring – DeSantis has NOT been Invited to Dance.
The Choice is NOT HIS!
I’m NEVER voting DeSantis. He’s already been too disloyal to Trump. He should be asking for Trump’s endorsement for his governors race. Disgusting that he announced he didn’t want it. Hope he loses just to make an example of his ego. Should’ve called up Trump and asked for it. Every other R gov will watch that happen and rush to call Trump from now on. 😆❤️🇺🇸👌
I hope you are pleased with your childish rant. Crist sucked as a R gov. He will doubly suck as a D gov.
I wouldn’t wish that POS on my worst enemy.
Promoting a lawfare commie over a competent R for gov is against your own self-interest.
Do you even remember how Crist raised taxes and fees through the roof? I do.
I work in one of his green new deal LEED certified boondoggle buildings. A Dutch firm built the complex and then went out of business. It can take years to obtain parts and they sure as heck aren’t made here.
You REALLY want that guy back? SMH!
No, what I want is for DeSantis to show some respect for the greatest president in history and ask for his endorsement. Absolutely disgusting that he said he doesn’t want it. It’s not just disrespecting Trump. It’s disrespecting Trump voters who’ve been put through hell as we fight to save this country. He could at least pretend to care about our votes. If he loses to Crist (who sucks!) then it’s his own fault. He should be doing EVERYTHING he can to win and getting Trump’s endorsement would certainly help and he knows it. Absolutely disgusting that he said he doesn’t want it or need it.
He should be doing everything he can to EARN the endorsement of Florida’s voters. He answers to US.
I dislike ring-kissing and groveling to overlords.
It’s un-American.
I did not know that. Now, I am furious with DeSantis. He would not have
won the first time without President Trump’s endorsement. And, now
that he has taken mega corporate donations (those same corporations that
are attempting to eliminate the middle class) he doesn’t need President Trump.
That should do it for all that keep making excuses for him.
“Disgusting that he announced he didn’t want it (the endorsement).”
He actually said that? I don’t remember that. Got a link?
Ed Rollins
https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/3557505-ready-for-ron-means-ready-for-trump-war/
Upon reaching out to Ready for Ron, I asked what happens if Trump runs. Do they fight or surrender? In an email, Lilian Rodriguez-Baz, the PAC’s co-chair and chief legal counsel, answered:
“We are specifically choosing to avoid participating in the endless speculation and hypotheticals for the 2024 race. Our focus is building up grassroots momentum for Ron DeSantis so that he can carry the America First agenda forward.”
Moving “forward” with the “America First agenda” while the MAGA founder is crazy-glued to the GOP throne means Ready for Ron and Gov. Ron are royally careening toward an uncivil Trump-style war.
However, the most potentially significant intervening variable in modern political history is if Attorney General Merrick Garland is “ready” to defend the rule of law and bring King Trump to justice for criminal actions relating to Jan. 6, 2021. And then, we all must be ready to expect the unexpected.
De Santis won’t have to argue he’s better than Trump. The other candidates will relieve him of that nasty chore.
The GOPe has amassed a circle of candidates, each understanding their role in furthering their own goals and the GOP’s by criticizing Trump.
It’s amazing to me that with a wife who has just recently completed cancer treatment and elementary school-aged kids that Ron DeSantis didn’t decide that if he wanted one day to be Potus, he should serve another full term as governor, should study up on international affairs and economics, and THEN see what awaited him.
I think my biggest diappointed in him is that he seems much too impatient and much too willing to do as the puppet-masters who came to him wanted him to do.
i dont trust Desantis at this point.
The Don , even De Santis, have a huuge problem…and it remains …… where do they find non – UniParty, non – long march graduates to fill positions?
The Don’s great failure was appointing people who hated his guts to important office.
Presumably Jared’s influence is finished…that might help a lot.
If people want to get rid of Trump give him the four more years he deserves.
No he can’t “have his cake and eat it too”. Too many of us rightly distrust him. He’s smart enough to know what the GOPe is all about, but he’s hitching his wagon to them anyway.
Distrust “the Plan 2.0”
DC conducts a raid on a former president in another state and they don’t inform the Governor? It’s possible, but doubtful, in my opinion.
I think you are spot on, brother Sundance.
I think the GOPe is so far ahead of DeSantis in the game they got caught with the raid they likey had a hand in. Ron is riding along with the same group that handcuffed Trump and he knows it, but doesnt know what to do; the same thing DJT did to his detriment. He will learn.
….he doesn’t know what to do”…..that is the lamest excuse yet.
Ron DeSantis would become the new Liz Cheney. Remember when she ran against a popular conservative Mike Enzi. It had people in Wyoming scratching their heads. That was the first inkling of the real Liz Cheney. She was running on entitlement. She’s now destroyed the Cheney name, father and daughter. 👍
I guarantee you Turtle Boy is behind this strategy. I despise that SOB.
Just remember DeSantis is all willing to do it if it means he’ll be making a lot more dough. The guy loves money and I think will sell his country to get it.
they are both good guys. it’ll cost the donor class millions of campaign cash for the poli-sci industry to narrate the obvious 12 year cue , Trump Part 1, Ron Desantis Parts 2 and 3.
When Donald Trump faced the hurricane he stood firm. He never bent to the wind.
DeSantis has NEVER FACED the hurricane of hate that Donald Trump faced.
Also I’m old enough to remember the last time the the Establishment Republicans tried to follow up to a Conservative President (Ronald Reagan), and we got George “Read My Lips No New Taxes/New World Order” Herbert Walker Bush.
We came together because of Donald John Trump, only could have achieved this. In order to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN we have to stand by Pres. Trump. Or else… again… we’ll have “Read My Lips No New Taxes / New World Order” but made into Tik Tok sound bites.
What’s to prevent the RNC/GOP from adopting a rule to deny Trump the nomination – or perhaps prevent him from running? Impeachment alone doesn’t prevent Trump from running nor will an indictment – but – if the RNC adopts rule changes to deny Trump the nomination – that could set the stage for a Trump (I) and DeSantis (R) showdown that would ensure a DeSantis loss in 2024 and tarnish his brand for 2028. It potentially reduces DeSantis (R) to the role of a splitter candidate and ensures BOTH DeSantis and Trump lose to whatever steamed vegetable the D’s nominate. RNC may be playing chicken with Trump – effectively threatening him with a D win in 2024. I just have this gut feeling we’re not seeing the big picture with DeSantis new-found national exposure … the RNC is NOT going to play fair with Trump and I get the feeling they’d rather lose to the D’s than run him again. Was their a clue in McConnell suggesting that the MAGA-endorsed candidates in the primary ask Trump for money? The hint that RNC/GOP money would not be available for Trump/MAGA endorsed candidates? Hint of impending divorce?
The splitter strategy is exactly what they are doing with DeSantis and the sad thing is he is willing to do it for the right amount of cash. That man loves money.
I think MAGA voters would stay home and not vote at all.
rinos would be defeated by the dems
Great insight. Trump could very well run as an independent after the midterms and bring both Dems and RINOS to a screeching halt. That would wake people up!
Now I don’t even like DeSantis.
Trump has been a victim of a coup.
I’d vote for DeSantis in a heartbeat, but never over Pres. Trump.
Perfectly broken down SD … the MAGA base aren’t going anywhere. The GOPe can all stand around and grab each other’s pu$$ies for all I care.
Question for Sundance: A few months ago, one of your posts said (paraphrasing): “I know for a fact DeSantis is not running”. I see why you think he was being groomed to run (as described in this post). Are you able to share what made you so sure he would not run earlier?
My opinion of Governor DeSantis has changed dramatically, and not in a good way.
Sundance has seen the handwriting on the wall for some time and laid it out clearly
I hope they continue to do so as it seems it takes an awfully long time for many to catch up with the reality of the situation.
DeSantis will do more harm than good on so many levels and the troubling part is he KNOWS that full well.
The REAL President Donald J. Trump is the only person up for the job, which is why the dems & most republicans are trying so hard to take him down. We’ve had more than our share of what DeSantis has already become………………..beholden & part of the club.
Fleece fleece, fleece, fools and their money.
RdS blew it. Tainted. Already branded a loser in 2024. Term limited in 2026.
Had he not jumped his skis, in 2026 he probably would have been landed in 45’s/47’s admin. Not now though. He painted himself as another traitor Pence.
President Trump will choose his successor and I don’t believe it’[[ be RsD. He’s peaked with covid. I won’t ever forget he stabbed 45 in the back the day after the RAID. Others real MAGA Rs will rise up and run. RsD blew it.
Sorry, off topic…
Why did deep state try tie Prez Trump tooo Russia in
2015-16?
I mean why was it Russia?
It had to be Russia. The Ukraine war was planned for 2017 but Trump disrupted it.
I’ve been asking a similar question for a while.
Policy had been to try to get Russia aligned with the west since the fall of communism. Clinton, Bush, Obama (first term) especially pushed for better relationships with Russia.
Something happened in Obama’s second term that all of a sudden flipped and made Russia the nations biggest enemy.
What happened?
Putin refused the NWO/Davis crowd. Putin loves his country and its people.
Because of what Russia is doing now, drawing over half the world away from the dollar reserve system. The elites aren’t going to be in control in Putin’s system.
Russia cut off Western influence and, and, made it very hard to get information out of Russia that the CABAL can use. They (CABAL) always have to have a “bad guy” to stoke the fears, anger of the people they want to control. It’s now backfiring gloriously. By the way, I could give a rat’s behind about Russia, but I do care about being lied to continuously by TPTB. Wouldn’t it be nice to have an honest, respectful relationship with other countries. As it is right now, TPTB are walking around with one arm outstretched to shake your hand, and the other hand is behind their back with a dagger in it. I’d say Hungary is in the ⭕️, as far as EU goes
If Desantis runs in 24 he is a traitor to the Republican party. Trump must be allowed to finish what he started. Desantis will ruin everything and he will know that. So we will see where his heart lies come 24.
DeSantis is a traitor to President Trump and MAGA.
DeSantis is a tool of the rino republican party
Any conservative politician whose ‘national aspirations’ step all over his fealty and primary duty to state sovereignty revivalism should be discarded out of hand.
Americans who bring a Super Bowl mentality to their politics (i.e. the Presidency is akin to the Big Game) need to dial down that analogy.
Under American Federalism, there should properly be
50 Super Bowls.
King Dollar and the power of the Unlimited Federal Purse have seduced all parties, including the People (who can least afford it), away from State Sovereignty.
DeSantis raised alot of money, so therefore he must be running for President. Rather flimsy evidence if you ask me.
And his national advertising, national speeches in other states?
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