Given the events of the last six years as the baseline…. If you cannot recognize the events over the past 75 days as coordinated, including:
…. The FBI raid on August 8
….. Joe Biden “vacation”
….. Ron DeSantis presented as the palatable illusion of choice.
Then you have not been paying attention, or you are in denial.

What is the great offense?
Answer: The people elected someone who was not approved.
There is one permanent, political and administrative deep state running the United States Government.
It does not matter which color flag rests atop the congressional spire, republican or democrat, it does not change the behavior of the participants.
[ Transcript ] […] Our movement is about replacing a failed and corrupt political establishment with a new government controlled by you, the American People. There is nothing the political establishment will not do, and no lie they will not tell, to hold on to their prestige and power at your expense.
The Washington establishment, and the financial and media corporations that fund it, exists for only one reason: to protect and enrich itself.
The establishment has trillions of dollars at stake in this election. As an example, just one single trade deal they’d like to pass, involves trillions of dollars controlled by many countries, corporations and lobbyists.
For those who control the levers of power in Washington, and for the global special interests they partner with, our campaign represents an existential threat.
This is not simply another 4-year election. This is a crossroads in the history of our civilization that will determine whether or not We The People reclaim control over our government.
The political establishment that is trying everything to stop us, is the same group responsible for our disastrous trade deals, massive illegal immigration, and economic and foreign policies that have bled this country dry. The political establishment has brought about the destruction of our factories and our jobs, as they flee to Mexico, China and other countries throughout the world. Our just-announced jobs numbers are anemic, and our gross domestic product, or GDP, is barely above one percent.
Workers in the United States, were making less than they were almost 20 years ago – and yet they are working harder.
It’s a global power structure that is responsible for the economic decisions that have robbed our working class, stripped our country of its wealth, and put that money into the pockets of a handful of large corporations and political entities.
Just look at what this corrupt establishment has done to our cities like Detroit and Flint, Michigan – and rural towns in Pennsylvania, Ohio, North Carolina and across our country. They have stripped these towns bare, and raided the wealth for themselves and taken away their jobs.
The Clinton Machine is at the center of this power structure. We’ve seen this firsthand in the WikiLeaks documents in which Hillary Clinton meets in secret with international banks to plot the destruction of U.S. sovereignty in order to enrich these global financial powers.
And, likewise, the emails show that the Clinton Machine is so closely and irrevocably tied to media organizations that she is given the questions and answers in advance of her debates. Clinton is also given approval and veto power over quotes written about her in the New York Times. And the emails show the reporters collaborate and conspire directly with the Clinton Campaign on helping her win the election.
With their control over our government at stake, with trillions of dollars on the line, the Clinton Machine is determined to achieve the destruction of our campaign, which has now become a movement the likes of which our country has never seen before – and we won’t let them do that.
The most powerful weapon deployed by the Clintons is the corporate media. Let’s be clear on one thing: the corporate media in our country is no longer involved in journalism.
They are a political special interest, no different than any lobbyist or other financial entity with an agenda. And their agenda is to elect the Clintons at any cost, at any price, no matter how many lives they destroy.
For them, it is a war – and for them, nothing is out of bounds.
This is a struggle for the survival of our nation. This election will determine whether we are a free nation, or whether we have only the illusion of Democracy but are in fact controlled by a small handful of global special interests rigging the system.
This is not just conspiracy but reality, and you and I know it.
The establishment and their media enablers wield control over this nation through means that are well known. Anyone who challenges their control is deemed a sexist, a racist, a xenophobe and morally deformed. They will attack you, they will slander you, they will seek to destroy your career and reputation. And they will lie, lie and lie even more.
The Clintons are criminals. This is well-documented, and the establishment that protects them has engaged in a massive cover-up of widespread criminal activity at the State Department and Clinton Foundation in order to keep the Clintons in power. Never in history have we seen such a cover-up as this, one that includes the destruction of 33,000 emails, 13 phones, laptops, missing boxes of evidence, and on and on.
People who are capable of such crimes against our nation are capable of anything.
[…] But I take all of these slings and arrows for you. I take them for our movement, so that we can have our country back. Our great civilization, here in America and across the civilized world, has come upon a moment of reckoning.
We’ve seen it in the United Kingdom, where they voted to liberate themselves from global government and global trade deals and global immigration deals that have destroyed their sovereignty.
But the central base of world political power is here in America, and it is our corrupt political establishment that is the greatest power behind the efforts at radical globalization and the disenfranchisement of working people.
Their financial resources are unlimited. Their political resources are unlimited. Their media resources are unlimited. And, most importantly, the depths of their immorality is unlimited.
Our political establishment has no soul. I knew these false attacks would come. I knew this day would arrive. And I knew the American people would rise above it and vote for the future they deserve.
The only thing that can stop the Corrupt Clinton Machine is you. The only force strong enough to save this country is you. The only people brave enough to vote out this corrupt establishment is you, the American People.
They control the Department of Justice, and they even clandestinely meet with the Attorney General of the United States – in the back of her airplane, while on the runway – for 39 minutes – to most likely discuss her reappointment in a Clinton Administration just prior to the Attorney General making a decision over whether or not to prosecute Hillary Clinton.
Likewise, they have corrupted the Director of the FBI to the point at which stories are already saying the great men and women who work for the FBI are embarrassed and ashamed to what he’s done to one of our great institutions. Hillary Clinton is guilty of all of the things that Director Comey stated at his press conference and Congressional hearings, and far more – and yet he let her off the hook, while others lives are being destroyed for far less.
This is a conspiracy against you, the American people.
This is our moment of reckoning as a society and as a civilization.
I didn’t need to do this. I built a great company, and I had a wonderful life. I could have enjoyed the benefits of years of successful business for myself and my family, instead of going through this absolute horror show of lies, deceptions and malicious attacks. I’m doing it because this country has given me so much, and I feel strongly it was my turn to give back.
Some people warned me this campaign would be a journey to hell. But they are wrong, it will be a journey to heaven because we will help so many people.
In my former life, I was an insider as much as anybody else – and I know what’s like to be an insider. Now I am being punished for leaving their special club and revealing to you their great scam. Because I used to be part of the club, I’m the only one who can fix it. I’m doing this for the people, and this movement is just right – and we will take back this country for you and Make America Great Again.
The corrupt establishment knows that we are an existential threat to their criminal enterprise. They know, that if we win, their power is gone and returned to you. The clouds hanging over our government can be lifted, and replaced with a bright future – but it all depends on whether we let the New York Times decide our future, or whether we let the American people decide our future.
If this Clinton Campaign of Destruction is allowed to work, then no other highly successful person – which is what our country needs – will ever again run for this office.
I will not lie to you. These false attacks hurt. To be lied about, to be slandered, to be smeared so publicly and before your family, is painful.
What the Clinton Machine is doing to me, and my family, is egregious beyond words. It is reprehensible beyond description.
But I also know, it’s not about me – it’s about all of you. It’s about all of us, together, as a country.
It’s about the Veterans who need medical care, the mothers who’ve lost children to terrorism and crime, it’s about the inner cities and the border towns who desperately need our help, it’s about the millions of jobless Americans. This election is about the people being crushed by Obamacare, and it’s about defeating ISIS and appointing Supreme Court Justices who will defend our Constitution.
This election is also about the African-American and Hispanic communities whose communities have been plunged into crime, poverty and failing schools by the policies of Hillary Clinton. They’ve robbed these citizens of their future, and I will give them their hope, jobs and opportunities back. I will deliver.
This election is about every man, woman and child in our country who deserves to live in safety, prosperity and peace.
We will rise above the lies, the smears, and the ludicrous slanders from ludicrous reporters.
We will vote for the country we want.
We will vote for the future we want.
We will vote for the politics we want.
We will vote to put this corrupt government cartel out of business. We will remove from our politics the special interests who have betrayed our workers, our borders, our freedoms, and our sovereign rights as a nation. We will end the politics of profit, we will end the rule of special interests, we will put a stop to the raiding of our country – and the disenfranchisement of our people.
Our Independence Day is at hand, and it arrives, finally, on November 8th. Join me in taking back our country, and creating a bright and glorious new dawn for our people.
~ Donald Trump, October 13, 2016


It’s all so third world. Biden in covid isolation, then shuttled off to Delaware, then suddenly boarding AF1 with his crackhead son and family for “vacation” in SC. Has anyone seen him on this vacay?
Well his skank wife Jill bought a blue dress in South Carolina and looked like a stuffed sausage in that outfit.
So, who TF cares what the RINOs want?
Do you really think a bunch of Trump supporters are gonna choose DeSantis over TRUMP in ’24?
This conversation is such a waste of space. Can’t believe it’s happening.
And for your daily reminder>>>> DeSantis is on track to become Gov. of FL. , ’22-’26.
Unless, of course, we can sidetrack enough people and depress the R. Vote w/ this BS.
dont take it personal.
you specifically know that the Governor could end this unknown by speaking out and saying 100% he will not run for President under ANY CIRCUMSTANCE.
(then ask yourself why he won’t)
then avoid cognitive dissonance. then rock and roll and support the hell out of us and you moving forward.
Why should he?
Are all the other multitude of people on the list doing that?
No, they’re not.
If you really believe he’s thinking of running, maybe someone should ASK him, LIVE on TV. See what he says.
he hid from the camera for 7 days, and posted a video
please please please try and see what is really in front of us. i dont care if you love Florida and are worried about him losing his race – – HE WILL NOT LOSE HIS RACE – from saying “he isnt running for president under any circumstance and he support the citizens of florida and will protect them from Federal Overreach”
PDJT is a citizen of Florida. dont forget that.
he will lose his race by continuing his path – because we will not let up on talkng about it, and we will reach people before November
this is what PDJT does – he assigns responsibility (RON) and he doenst let people say oh i didnt know (he knows now)
If DJT is indicted (and that is not unrealistic), and is not allowed to run for the POTUS, then who?????
I understand all of your frustration with DeSantis, but can we get a grip?
I personally believe that if DJT is “allowed” to run for POTUS, Ron will NO WAY run against him.
If, God forbid, DJT is not allowed to run, who better than Ron to take up the AF issue.
why hasnt Ron said he will not let the Uniparty pick the candidate, and he is not running?
when you answer that you will swallow the hard pill.
there is NO GODFORBID. its PDJT 2024 or mass protest.
“trust Sessions”
remember…..trust Paul Ryan
remember…..trust the guy with the eye patch LOL Crenshaw?
remember….trust Marco Rubio
remember….trust Ted Cruz
remember…..trust roosterhead
and on and on and on
Someone who didn’t vote for the America-ending TPP?
The Constitution sets the requirements for eligibility. No law trumps that. Pun intended.
If the deep state was actually able to take down Trump and people still vote, then we are finished. They won’t succeed though. Trump caught them all.
And if Ron cozies up to the establishment and runs against Trump in the primary (which is exactly what he is doing)… then Trump will demolish Ron and he will go the way of Pence. Career suicide for Ron to run against Trump so I say let him do it. Trump is the Great Revealer, one of his top traits.
You people don’t get it. We are not even going to make it to the Midterms. You think
the Communist Regime in DC is going to give up power they stole from
President Trump on November 3, 2020. NO WAY…..
definitely a concern but can’t stop trying without losing all possible progress
Ben Carson is one good candidate. I would vote for Tulsi Gabbard over Ron DeSantis. She has more character and more spine. DeSantis is right there with Judas Pence and Nikki Haley in my book. It’s only a matter of degree.
If I ever get a whiff of backstabber on someone, that person is dead to me. The Arizona rally clinched it. That (poster) was pretty outrageous.
Tulsi? She certainly is a character.
OMG, I’m from Hawaii and I’ll never ever trust a Democrat.
“If DJT is indicted (and that is not unrealistic), and is not allowed to run for the POTUS, then who?”
__________________________
If that happens there won’t BE an election in 2024!
There is nothing in the Constitution that forbids anyone with a record, or even under indictment, from running for president
Why would an indictement stop PDJT from running for POTUS? It wouldn’t, i don’t think?
An indictment means nothing.
Innocent until proven guilty.
With an indictment he is just another American.
However, I do not know if a conviction changes things or not.
BS, your not from Florida are you. We love DeSantis here and do not want to lose him as Governor.
We dont want you to lose him as a Governor.
THE SPLITTER STRATEGY that this article talks about is working RIGHT NOW.
all Ron has to say is I am not splitting MAGA at all I support PDJT he deserves his shot
but he wont say it because – read the 75 day link in this article.
The only splitter strategy is on this website, shame on ya’all.
Why on earth would Desantis ever make such a statement? Has anyone ever done such a thing?
Not very difficult to deceive transplants from the liberal north….
Just a heads-up. Don’t stereotype the north.
Maggiemoo,
(BTW, great to see you back “on the boards”)
WADR, I AM proudly from Florida, and don’t want to “lose” Mr. DeSantis either. But, if he can’t “show us his stripes”, and back the man who pretty much made him who he is, then what should WE expect?
I think that if the derp state prevails, even Mr. DeSantis won’t be able to shield us from serfdom. Even if he “secedes”, it will still be up to each individual to defend their keep.
I would LOVE to be proven wrong..
Best,
skipper
First of all he barely won last time. Second this state has been infested with transplants from blue states, not all of which left their liberal voting habits behind. I have three new neighbors that liberal, two of which moved here to escape covid tyranny, yet they shiver in disgust at the mention of DeSantis. If you put Governor in front of the name DeSantis they melt down. I don’t know the 3rd neighbor’s opinion of DeSantis.
Point being, liberalism is a mental disorder and a lot of them moved here in droves. DeSantis’ reelection is NOT in the bag. BTW, I live in NE Florida, Trump country he took 80% in 2016, it dropped just a bit in 2020.
Trashing DeSantis based on feelings or a hunch is
NOT helpful for Florida. DeSantus has said in the past he wouldn’t run in 2024 if Trump does. Both men have said the supposed rift between them is contrived.
Can we please get through 2022 before we start worrying about 2024? If by chance DeSantis throws his hat in the ring for President as soon as his hand comes off the Bible after taking the oath of office for his second term, I will be the first to admit I was wrong and I’ll personally drive down state and kiss Sundance’s feet.
Even if DeSantis were to run in 2024 he’d be as successful as Ted Cruz. He’ll be labeled low energy little Ronnie. I doubt he’d carry a single state, not even Florida if Trump is running. If I know that, DeSantis knows that and so do his consultants.
we dont have time for that.
The uniparty will leave PDJT alone if they cant replace him.
we are fighting for PDJT’s surival. THEY ARE RUNNING FROM MASSIVE PROTEST ACROSS THE COUNTRY (by thinking Ron can step in and its the same)
Oh OK, well then we’ll just use this site to help elect a Democrat Governor of Florida, that will be fan freaking tastic.
Sorry I had the audacity to question the brilliance of the people here. Who am I? Just a Floridian. Go ahead sell my state down the river, undermine the best Governor we’ve had in my lifetime based on a hunch.
Somebody,
What would OUR Governor have to lose, by restating his support of President Trump, and disavowing the completely fraudulent 2020 “selection”?
Doesn’t he know that it would guarantee his 2022 victory?
Our state won’t be so significant if this tyranny is abided..
Respectfully,
skipper
And, truthfully, the “bar has been set pretty low” as far as Governors of Florida, in my lifetime, anyway.
No question that Mr. DeSantis is far and above the recent “governors”, but really? Scott? Bush? Crist?
All squishes, at best..
You’ve completely missed the point of Sundance’s posts on Ron.
Pay attention. Sundance gave a roadmap to follow if DeSantis is indeed joining the establishment. You’ll be able to decide for yourself what is true. You’ll be able to see it or not with your own eyes. You just have to be eyes wide open all the time. Is that too much to ask to help save your country?
PS…MONEY IS THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL. Even those who come in naive and full of promise can lose their soul to the devil before they know what hit them.
The LOVE of money is the root of all evil. There is nothing wrong with acquiring money if you use it Biblically.
The LOVE of money is the root of all evil.
If your state can’t re-elect Ron after all he’s done, shame on you Floridans, but don’t blame the rest of us because Ron f***d up and shot himself and Floridians in the foot — INCLUDING his most prestigious resident-PRESIDENT DONALD J TRUMP.
Excellent post.
Yes…and DeSantis did nothing to protect President Trump from Federal Overreach. Just a
wimpy Tweet Tweet from DeSantis.
What exactly did you want DeSantis to do? Send in the Florida National Guard guns blazing??
The Governor of the state has no power over the FBI
depends on what crimes the FBLies commit
FBLies can’t legally do a Mỹ_Lai_massacre and it does so in FL, yes the governor should use all resources to felony stop them, dead or alive
Actually, yes the governor does have power over all the fed.
Likewise, the county sheriff can shut it down instantly.
It’s long past time people remember these truths.
States are independent ‘nations’ united.
The fed is /was allotted a role, nothing more.
Btw, your county sheriff has power over your governor.
No he didn’t he did a podcast with Glenn Beck after the raid. Quit drinking the kool aid. This turnaround smear on this website is disgusting, no facts. Lots of bs. So yes I am in denial as I have seen no FACTS that my Governor is anything other than what he is MAGA and the best Gov my state has ever seen. I think what is really happening here is DeSantis was doing better in the polls than DJT so now we have to target him, nope not doing it. I can like DJT and DeSantis at the same time and I do and both get my vote DJT for President & Ron for Governor.
There is nothing Desantis could do to stop the FBI from raiding Trump.
County sheriffs!
He did not hide fr/ the camera.
He was taking care of FL. business and I’ve posted the vids here before.
Go to his twit account.
the others on that list ARENT people that shadowed PDJT and had PDJT’s brand rubbed all over them – getting MAGA all over him
sunnydaze,
I, as a citizen of the Gunshine State of Florida VOW (if given any opportunity) to ask him JUST THAT!!!
I beseech of my fellow Floridians to provide NO cover for our Governor! We MUST settle this once and for all!!
Surely, there are enough of US all over the state, that at least one of us can avail ourselves to ANY public appearance that Mr. DeSantis may attend?
And while I am at it, I intend to ask him to FINALLY declare his stance on the FRAUDULENT 2020 “selection”!!
Make no mistake, I have been an ardent DeSantis supporter from way back, but if he can’t muster the courage or integrity to denounce the sham of 2020, and fully, vociferously support OUR choice for President, then I would rather know that sooner than later..
THIS is something that we ALL must endeavor to do! PLEASE FLORIDA?!!!!!!!!!!!!
Best,
skipper
Amen!
Mark Thimesch
GREAT to see you again, my Friend!
Oh goodie Capatain Skip to the rescue.
So I presume you’ll lead the charge for Nikki Fried the gun grabber, or maybe you prefer the chameleon Charlie Crist.
You people are insane, you’ve gone round the bend, looped the loop. You are trying to undermine your own Governor. My God, stop and take a deep breath and use your brain.
Once again, I implore you all to STOP this. THREE months, just three months. Just stop this insanity for three months, if you don’t you risk ushering in a democrat into the Governor’s mansion in Tallahassee. I’m beginning to think half of you are on the DNC payroll.
It’s really hard to understand how people comment on these boards with such outrageous and pompass demands.
Wish these whack jobs would quit treating Trump like a child. He is more than man enough to take on any opponent. It’s really sad to watch. Pathetic.
The Trump we all know and love has ZERO fear of any opponent. He will win if he runs.
Anyway, I applaud you for taking on the insane today. I did a shift the other day.
God Bless Somebody!
Kathy,
This has less to do with Mr. Trump, and more about the resolve of the Governor of Florida.
Signed,
“Pompous whack-job” (and DeSantis voter)
Somebody,
More “snark”.. How droll..
As a licensed concealed carrier, I KNOW of the treachery of nikki fried. She disgusts me to no end. I am only too aware of her “covid lockdown” discontinuation of pistol permits. I can think of few things more reprehensible than denying a citizen their civil rights.
That said, I ask you.. What are you afraid of? Are you afraid of embarrassing yourself “politically”? Have you not felt the castigation of some of your peers, simply as a result of your political affiliation?
I know, I work in a theatrical trade union. I know for a fact that my beliefs have co$t me. Do you think I take these decisions lightly?
My late wife was an election official. If not for her, I wouldn’t have changed from I to R (just to vote for Mr. Trump in the primary). I wouldn’t besmirch her memory by acting foolishly, when it comes to the governance of OUR state.
No, I don’t just run into the fire, without at least some rumination.
I was one of the OG Orlando TEA party organizers, Sir! I KNOW of the duplicitous nature of American politics, and have been betrayed for the LAST time!
So, I’ll ask again, RESPECTFULLY, what does Governor DeSantis have to lose by restating his beliefs, and quelling any discord among his SUPPORTERS?
It’s not like he has any chance of currying favor with anyone who DOESN’T support America First.
Actually, that shall be my “yardstick” from here on.. “Oh, let’s just ‘move on’ from 2020?” NEXT!!
“Oh, let’s just let ‘this” play out?” NEXT!
I’m done with the two faces of politics.
KNOW THIS! If Governor DeSantis “measures up”? I’ll be the first in line for a Ron DeSantis tattoo, and will campaign for him tirelessly.
BTW, as you cast DNC aspersions.. just how long have YOU been “on your branch”?
Best,
skipper
Sure I’ll bite Skip, he has a lot to lose. I imagine he’s walking a tight rope. First of all he did raise questions about the election right after the steal, but to do so right now might cost him Bushies. As for why he hasn’t spoken up more forcefully about the raid, I don’t know. The people claiming he should have done something don’t understand government, they are advocating that he should have started a civil war.
We have a lot of squish Republicans in Florida. Bushies most of them. I know many of them, in fact my own sister is one. So too is her husband and all of her social group. None of them were Trump supporters in 2016, I convinced many of them to vote for DJT in the primary, but not my sister or my mother. They both voted for Little Marco. My husband and I were very proud of convincing 154 people to get on the Trump train during the primary and even more during the general.
The kind of Republicans I’m speaking about are the country club types, Fox News watchers. They bristle at some of DeSantis’ actions and statements. For instance they didn’t like him confronting Disney. They clutched their pearls all throughout the Trump administration.
These people will not vote for Nikki Fried, but they’d vote for Crist. Crist was already Governor. In fact he was supposedly a republican Governor. They’ll justify their vote telling themselves he’s “moderate” and he won’t be controversial like DeSantis.
As for how long I’ve been on my branch, if you mean here about a decade. The Trayvon issue drew me here, lurking at first. I used to post a lot more, especially 2015 through the first couple of years of the Trump administration. I read here often, but don’t post as much. I’ve spent the past couple of years battling cancer, but according to my most recent tests I’m finally clear. So I’ve been a bit preoccupied with my health.
If you mean a republican, since I was old enough to vote.
Somebody, (Ma’am)
First, please accept my sympathies for your bout w/the “big C”. I managed to beat that scourge as well, and know it’s no picnic. Glad we are on the “other side” of that (I hope?)
Additionally, as have many here, I have become RABIDLY MAGA, and do (to my detriment) sometimes get overly defensive, when it comes to politics. So, if I have come on too strong, I humbly request your indulgence.
Things have indeed become so polarized, that it seems there is no “wiggle room” at all anymore.
I’ll admit that I had/have discounted the “country-club types” as squishes, at best, TRAITORS at worst. I certainly haven’t had the success rate of “conversion” that you make claim to. BRAVO!!
As I wrote above, as a TEA party member, I have felt the enraging betrayal of the “establishment”, and haven’t considered the ramifications of “going out on a limb” the way I expect of Mr. DeSantis.
Please make no mistake, I will support OUR Governor to the bitter end. And maybe it is naive of me to expect such “conviction” of someone who campaigns for “my” vote? I know only too well, that one wrong move can sink a campaign (Hello, howard dean?)
And I’ll also admit that I forgot about that blood-bag, charlie crist..
It rubs my rhubarb that ANYONE (of either political party) would support such a duplicitous snake, but that doesn’t make my feelings reality, does it?
Even if Mr. DeSantis has higher aspirations, does our country even stand a chance, if we let the usurpation of the highest office in the land stand? Will there even be a glimmer of a chance of a TRUE election, if we don’t plant our flag NOW? Will there be anything left to “govern” if we don’t draw a line somewhere?
I’m truly interested in your reply. And I hope you understand my response to the “DNC thing” as you, a long time Treeper (and lurker), I would hope would recognize my “pedigree”? As I said, sometimes I let my skin get too thin..
Again, I sincerely am interested in your reply.
Best,
skipper
Skip, I wish I could take credit for all the Trump conversions, but my husband ran circles around me, I must reluctantly admit. Prior to Trump my husband was generally apolitical, which worked for us because I’m anything but. Because of that, people listened to him far more than me.
I’m glad to hear you support our Governor for reelection. My concerns here are solely and completely focused on the November general election here in Florida for Governor. That’s it, that’s all. I have deep and I think well founded concerns about disparaging Governor DeSantis at this juncture, at this time
DeSantis is running unopposed in the primary, he will be on the ballot in November for Governor of our state, most likely running against Crist or Fried. Florida is a swing state as you know. In order to win the state DeSantis must get out the base and pull enough middle of the road voters in to offset the blue wall that is SE Florida and increasingly vast swaths of Central Florida.
So what could hurt his chances? Depressing the base, bar none the worst thing possible and I find the source being this site shocking and reprehensible. I’ve already addressed those middle of the road voters and their familiarity and comfort level with Crist.
In politics timing is everything and the timing of these posts and the branding and trashing of DeSantis may well work to depress voter turnout.
There are valid questions to be raised and asked should DeSantis throw his hat in the ring for POTUS. I myself have many, but now is not the time that is all I am saying.
If by chance DeSantis were to lose his reelection his political future would be over, smothered in the crib so to speak. I think that is what is happening here and it’s disgusting and it puts our state in jeopardy, because of someone’s hunch or their perception of a purity test.
Once again, why now? Why the urgency? Why can’t this wait 3 months? I actually share some of the concerns, but this is NOT the way to go about this. We can’t have an America First movement without a team, without a broad base of leaders. We can’t have a deep bench is we constantly undermine the up and comers. There is a time and place to discuss and debate motives, connections, skills and knowledge base, but NOT at the cost of losing an effective Governor.
Somebody makes an excellent point.
Without DeSantis as Governor in 2022 and onward, PDJT could run JC as his VP and he would still lose in 2024, because he who wins Florida WILL win the WH.
And without someone there to protect the vote, bye, bye USA. DeSantis HAS done definitive things to protect the vote in Florida so far. Perhaps he will do the opposite in the period 2022-24? Unlikely, I submit, because then his chances would be shot.
EVERY vote counts, and raising doubt at this particular time seems counterproductive in the absence of some compelling reason not to wait awhile.
Regardless of what DeSantis does and does not say for the next three months about his candidacy in 2024, it seems to me, as an interested outside observer, that turning he base off DeSantis RIGHT NOW might not help the ultimate MAGA plan.
Happy to be corrected by Sundance with a clear and logical explanation. I’m sure he has one, perhaps I missed it.
Someone once said “softly, softly, catchee monkey”. Maybe we need to step softly for 3 months. What do we lose by so doing?
That’s not a rhetorical question BTW
Right now, nobody knows what may happen to Trump. With the way this Country is going, Trump may be imprisoned tomorrow for life. So Desantis might be saying lets see what happens before I commit or don’t. It is sad he hasn’t said anything about the raid, but he may have his reasons.
he hasn’t said anything about the raid?? yes he has. campaigning for kari lake he denounced the raid and drew telling parallels with the corrupt handling of hillary clinton.
https://nypost.com/2022/08/15/totally-off-the-rails-desantis-rips-fbis-mar-a-lago-raid/
let me read this, be right back
the point of this article we are on – is that the Uniparty is positioning Ron. and allowing PDJT to be tied up.
Ron saying has Hillary been raided – is making a maga petting comment.
where is the comment of HE IS A CITIZEN OF FLORIDA and as the Governor I will not allow illegal raids of my citizens.
(instead he is petting you, and leaving PDJT to the wolves; while being at an event where a presidential poll was put in that he won, and PDJT was not on that poll)
i hope that helps makes sense? they are not going to be blatant in their snake bite of you, its going to be clever and deceptive. they need you on board, they cant openly piss you off, this is why it takes an article like this to point it out.
click the 75 days link in this article – its NOT solely about Ron. – he is jsut gettting invited to the party and is more tickled about it versus ANGRY
and dont think for a second that articles like this one – didnt get him to plug that one liner (one line, one line, one line) in there as STRATEGY.
we are talking about the Republican President that just had an election stole. not some punk off the street. where is the respect.
start at the 40 minute mark, and tell me you are satisfied with that dance.
the whole thing was about the FBI activity in 2017, then the school boards, then comments about them picking and choosing who to attack.
are you satisfied with that comment after the first time history a president is raided with a warrant that says GET EVERYTHING?
https://rumble.com/v1g1en5-gov.-ron-desantis-full-speech-unite-and-win-rally-in-az-august-14-2022.html
which is a snake move.
the Governor can say DO NOT TOUCH MY CITIZEN – extreme federalism has just started right now. ALL FEDERAL OFFICES are closed and you no longer have access, my State Guard is on alert, I have contacted fellow Governors, and I demand a STOP now;
Exactly.
Best comment yet!
Oh Lordy, he commented on the Raid w/ in an hour or two of it happening.
He is 100% running. I know people who work for him.
DeSantis is on record in at least one interview (Beck) saying he’s focused on Florida elections, but that doesn’t explain why he was in 5 other states doing rallies and fundraising.
Why? Money. Money. Money. Money.
OMG, last week he was a charlatan because he didn’t endorse people in other states during the primary. Now he’s a charlatan because he did.
Make up your minds.
Truth is nothing DeSantis says or does will satisfy you haters, nothing. You have DeSantis Derangement Syndrome.
Do any of you honestly think if Trump runs in 2024 and if by chance DeSantis tried to challenge him that A) DeSantis wouldn’t carry a single state or garner more than 15 to 20% of the primary vote and B) that Trump wouldn’t make mincemeat out of DeSantis is five minutes
Reread the threads, that’s all I can say. You’ve missed the point. I don’t want to repeat myself again and again. It’s all been stated in the articles Sundance wrote and the comments the rest of us wrote. I suggest you read through them all. We’re not irrational haters, we’re just properly categorizing DeSantis.
Agree. It’s hard to accept being fooled, yet again, by yet another R. Ron needs to hightails back to FL before he loses that election in the process.
Ron has been convinced 45 will be prevented from running. So, he’s getting the jump on his campaigning. Sure, he’ll bow out when 45 jumps or will he?
Just go to his twit account. He’s doing events all over the State of FL.
As usual.
Here’s a link to help you get there.
sunnydaze,
Apologies.. This site is the only “social media” I invest my time in.
If you would be so kind as to provide MY Governor’s statements denouncing the fraudulent 2020 election, I will stand corrected?
Again, what has he got to lose by doing so?
Best,
skipper
That is common practice.
sunnydaze, Both things can be true. DeSantis can be Governor of Florida and run for President. If only he would tell the club he will not run, if only he would speak out against the deep state and the raid on Trump, then he would be MAGA. He would show courage and perhaps slow down the Uniparty destruction of Trump.
Trump needs an ally here, not another challenger.
He’s already spoken out about the Raid.
And, of course, he *could* run for Prez, but, right now>>>>> He is running for GOVERNOR.
Speculation about what MAY happen, especially OBSESSIVE speculation such as we’ve been witnessing here for days, is nuts.
He’s not just running for Governor.
Then why is he campainging in AZ, PA & OH and funding raising in Nantucket?
But, when? He’s hiding since the raid on Mar A Lago. He is the Governor of Florida isn’t he?
He hasn’t been in hiding too bad you haven’t been paying attention.
I’m in FL and I haven’t seen him.
because perot .. … young ‘uns , kick the tires but climb in the mega mobile …The Santis is a nice back up .how so ever, go home with the guy what brung ya !! VSGPDJT! maga
Trump and DeSantis has “BDE”, Kari Lake said so.
Your point is well founded. The MAGA movement isn’t, and should not become dependent on anyone’s statement, or posture, or attitude. DeSantis will do what he will do.
Our job is to get out and hustle to bring MAGA to victory in the upcoming elections, and to stop moping and complaining about what so-and-so said or thinks or does.
And, in the end, what does it matter if another big name politician goes to the Paul Ryan dark side? It changes nothing.
America First is here to stay. All we need are victories which are won by intense effort at get-out-the vote campaigns. We are long past being concerned about Never Trumpers.
Let them stew, if they want!
Yeah
I do find it so interesting that DeSantis is mum on the raid if MAL….really interesting…and disappointing….
As I keep stating here….unless and until history and our Civics courses are properly taught..our youth of today will have no clue as to what corrosive effects the Marxists have on our Republic…
when you are small – and you see that swamp monster approach you with blackfiles, and demonstrations of how they can frame someone, or worse. — you flinch and freeze.
Governor DeSantis is in the Flinch phase right now, and has a choice to stand like the King of Scotland that thelastrefuge2 eluded to (meaning CTH showed that Ron has a path BACK – and isnt abandoned totally yet)
peopel that dont read thelastrefuge2 daily are clueless to that fact, that they didnt abandon Governor DeSantis – they simply said he betrayed and cna CHANGE HIS MIND like the king of scottland in braveheart.
Also…Try to get them on board for a “language semester abroad” program in a civilized place, where they can see what the outside world looks like, with hopeless poverty, corrupt gov’t, and then let them see what it’s like.
“under any circumstance” – no, he cannot do that! What if Trump dies or becomes incapacitated (like Biden)? You always to give yourself an out, no matter how narrow it is.
Excellent point!
I saw DeSantis’ Turning Point Action speech live on Real America’s Voice last night. It sounded like a stump speech going over his accomplishments/qualifications for president versus campaigning for Kari Lake. Further, he never mentioned President Trump by name and the Mar-a-Lago raid was just one item in a laundry list of egregious actions reflecting our politicized justice system.
Link to full speech: https://rumble.com/v1g1en5-gov.-ron-desantis-full-speech-unite-and-win-rally-in-az-august-14-2022.html
Okay, I think DeSantis is broken. But he is my Gov and he has done some real good for the State. The only thing I can think of to absolve him of “standing quietly” during the raid on MAL is that he thinks that if the current regime is successful in keeping Trump from running, that we will need someone to step up, and it would be wise to not advertise his outrage, lest they come for him too! Just speculating.
Once PDJT is gone. Ron will get eaten alive by Biden.
This is a Team Sport. Get Ron back on the Team.
he’s on the team. campaigning for kari lake in arizona he denounced the trump raid as “completely off the rails.”
https://nypost.com/2022/08/15/totally-off-the-rails-desantis-rips-fbis-mar-a-lago-raid/
he stood up to the covid hysterics better than trump did. that counts.
so you cant see the Uniparty making Ron the alternative to toxic Trump?
and you cant see Ron going along with that while playing pretty to MAGA?
So you gonna fall for the Uniparty BS and write in DeSantis ’24, even if he doesn’t run?
Is that we’re worried about here? A bunch of stupid R voting Americans who will fall for RINO BS?
He’s in AZ trying to make a national name and connect with the MAGA vote. He’s using Lake.
then scheduling it during PDJT’s bedminster event was clever also
AKA 5 days to make this – Charlie Kirk
I hear Ron scheduled that himself. /s
“Using Lake”? Lol! The most popular Republican governor in the nation is helping Kari Lake, her taking the Arizona governor’s office is an imperative just as DeSantis holding on to his in Florida is a “must”.
Too much is being directed to a primary NO ONE has yet declared for at this time. Let’s get the 2022 Midterm Elections out of the way before we start collecting scalps of potential 2024 candidates.
no one has yet declared? wow very back stabbing to the man that put his life on the line for us.
Are you saying Trump declared?
Did that happen tonite while I was washing the dishes?
Exactly. Governors don’t go on out of state campaign trails unless they’re seeking higher office.
Or they are trying to support the ONE other (potential) Gov. who could make ONE more State a good one for the people who live there.
That might be a point to consider IF HE WASN’T ALSO GOING TO PA, OH, etc.
Oh? And here I thought there are important senate races going on PA and OH. Can MAGA afford to not win those seats? If DeSantis thinks he can help the GOP candidates (endorsed by Trump) should he rather sit home? Wow, just wow.
I think you need to check the executive order Ron wrote giving himself huge amount of power during covid.
I think you need to ask him WHY he gave the medical industry a get out of jail card during covid. Could not SUE a doctor or hospital etc for anything if treating for Covid, why.
Ron is there now because they think Trump will not or will not be able to run. If Trump survives what is coming Ron will be forced and his handlers to wait.
imo of course
And who signed “operation warpspeed” ? Don’t make it about a choice between the guy giving the go ahead for operation warpspeed and a guy writing himself huge amount of power during covid. Trump would lose that contest
I don’t think there’s any R vote depressing going on here.
I think there’s a systemic manipulation of candidates and votes.
Again, I don’t think PDJT will run in 2024
Because all of the sheet that he’s has dealt with,
land all of the forthcoming sheet.
And yeah, I think a ton of Trump supporters will vote for DeSantis, or whoever the red team nominates.
What choice is there?
You can not vote, of course.
Who does that leave us?
I would rather write in Trump than vote for another bought HACK
He can be knocked down but never out. I hope he runs and squashes all these cockroaches
Hopefully, Trump will be in office again- as Prez.
Then he should stick to running for governor of Fla, and not dilly dallying with a presidential run like he’s doing. And maybe, maybe ….get in there and pitch a little for the guy that helped him back when he needed it.
Geesh.
I’m sorry did I miss DeSantis declaring he was running for President?
I must have slept through his announcement.
So did I!
This is the 2nd person who said it tonite!
Where’s the vid that Somebody and I – and maybe a lot of other people- missed?
Link please!
I am a Ron Desantis supporter, he use to be my congressman. When President Trump had his St Augustine Rally he was there and very supportive. I gave money to his Governor campaign and will vote for him in November but I have a very bad feeling right now.
I think his statement about the raid was very weak. I also think he does not need to be in other states helping other candidates when his re election is not a lock. I also do not like the idea of him up in some Northern city having a fundraiser.
I was a big Rubio supporter and got burned, I hate to say it might happen again.
I have nothing against Northern cities, I was born in Cleveland and moved to Florida when I was ten. I just hate when people from different states pour money in other states that they do not live in.
Link to full speech: https://rumble.com/v1g1en5-gov.-ron-desantis-full-speech-unite-and-win-rally-in-az-august-14-2022.html
Precisely
Which means we Floridians have leverage to threaten the Poison Ivy League entitled BRAT and tell him to check his elite privilege.
Besides Ron is drip.
Zero personality
He will never attract Trump’s crowds.
Elite privilege? Elite? Really and here I was under the impression DeSantis went to Yale on a scholarship based on his athletic ability and brains. I’m unaware of him being born with a silver spoon in his mouth.
You are certainly entitled to your opinions but not your own facts. You can describe DeSantis a lot of ways but privileged and elite are not among them.
Nobody is trying to stop him from being re-elected as Florida Governor. I personally have said if I were in Florida I would vote for him in November because he’s done well and because we need a Republican Governor there in 2024.
Read the comments. Person after person swearing they won’t vote for a RINO. Stating DeSantis has to prove his MAGA cred or they’ll sit it out
This is like the Georgia senate race all over again. Florida is a very divided state, it only takes shaving off a few votes to turn the tide. This whole thing is insane, this is shooting ourselves in the foot. This is playing with fire and there is no reason for this.
Again, three months. Trash DeSantis all you want on November 9th, but until then enough already.
It’s very sad that DeSan has shot himself in the foot.
They are talking about for President not re-election as Governor of Florida.
That is all these threads are meant to do.
I agree. DeSantis has shown his true colors.
Governors almost always run for office midterm. The hell is wrong with you?
we don’t care . . . this is about the rigged elections and those compromised vote tabulators / election software / voter role management software, all tools for disenfranchising us, for relegating us to mere subjects denying us of our consent to be governed. that is what we care about BIG LEAGUE!
Floridians love him, and we’re nothing, without Florida. We will loose any national election without Florida.
We’ve already lost PA, another important swing state.
There goes Plouffe, like the good little Marxist he is, projecting exactly what needs to happen to him and “his kind”…
That was tweeted in 2016.
As of now the DNC proudly support:
-Literal Nazi forces in Ukraine military
-State mandated nonconsensual medical experimentation
-State sponsored propaganda
-State control of private enterprise
-State control of information and censorship
-State control of student curriculum
-State approved terrorism by BLM/ANTIFA
-State weaponization of federal law enforcement to remove political opposition
Who wants to tell the DNC think that “Mein Kampf” was not an instruction manual?
Thank you Sundance…
Now do the Inaugural Address from 2017. No one else, ever, on the political stage has spoken so truthfully and honestly about the place in which we find ourselves and our country. God has indeed spoken to this man’s heart and charged him with the greatest mission that any single human being could possibly conceive, and he remains on the path, wholeheartedly committed.
This is not a game to PDJT, as it seems with every other contender but very few. To him, this is not politics, this is Life and Death and Justice and Freedeom for every normal human being No one else has yet been shown worthy. I’m all in, again, on My President Donald J. Trump.
By any means neccesary.
Governor DeSantis will not lose the Governor Race in Florida if he said:
“I am not running for President in 2024 under any circumstance and I support any citizen riaded by the FBI unlawfully”
now ask yourself – why won’t we say it
(get out of congnitive dissonance – its going to leave you unprepared)
Who the hell are you? Demanding a candidate recite your blackmail note.
I keep seeing people post about going back and re-reading the various articles on here. As if we just haven’t quite caught on?
Let me sum up really quickly. Ron DeSantis HAS TO COMMIT TO US THAT HE WILL NOT RUN IN 2024.
Trump is too vulnerable (LOL)- that we must clear any and all potential opponents (a wee bit of rigging).
Just STOP. If DeSantis is somehow personally sabotaging Trump- Trump will punch back and we will all rally behind him. Future Presidential aspirations do not make DeSantis a threat.
You are all in way too deep and honestly are acting like 10 year olds. The constant mantra of re-read the article is odd. And to suggest “we may not be prepared” if we don’t believe all the nuances us condescending. DO YOU REALLY THINK ANY OF US ARE 100% trusting of politician.
I have a suggestion, quit treating the people who read here as if they are children.
If you are involved in your local GOP, voting office, or running for office, you are part of the effort to take back the country.
If you speak your mind in public and work on enlightening your family and friends, then you are part of the effort to counteract regime propaganda.
If you are not, then you are not.
It really is as simple as that.
I respect that 2nd line a lot. that courage will inspire others by seeing it in public
If you are on the Right and are looking for work apply at the IRS. Flood them w/applicants and infiltrate.
Exactly right.
Our Nation could be taken back locally in a few short years if just a few hundred thousand patriots stood up and did their small part. Election Judges, City Councils, School Boards, water/irrigation districts, county health, heck, even library boards are important now.
The big urban centers would still languish, but the rest of the nation would be set upon a path of renewal.
Imagine what Trump could do if he brought on Dr. Ron Paul as his chief of staff and personal advisor. Wisdom and experience over all, not just targeting certain people and interests. Targeting the real enemies, not just the puppets. This wisdom could be the best thing Trump ever does for himself and us.
Ron Paul is a true American asset, but he’s mortal. He also has a young cadre who are like him but of course, shunned by TPTB. There’s a reason for that. And we’re living it. Wisdom is the ability to apply past experience correctly to make the present and the future better.
We don’t want to lose DeSantis as our Governor, hopefully he stays our Governor. Going to the WH to work for would be a waste of time and Florida would suffer.
you are already going to suffer based on his compliance with the RINO wing. that is the hint that is trying to get pushed through.
I hear that, I will be really upset if he wins and then turns around and runs for President. The one thing that we have learned is that as long as Mitch is there in the Senate no MAGA President will be successful until we can be rid of him.
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Um, sorry, but I didn’t mention DeSantis. I want Trump to make Dr. Ron Paul his mentor and advisor.
They are picking our candidate again. This time they think we will settle for the shiny object instead of the real meal deal. They are wrong.
The Gateway Pundit has certainly bought into the DeSantis scam.
Is that the media rag run by Hoft? Is it true that he married a Philipino guy?
Yes, Jim is a gay man. Nice enough guy but he’s been known to goof up a lot of stories by being slow on the uptake or sloppy journalists writing for his site.
Yes and yes.
Lots of denyin’ goin’ on out dare, the late Sen. Howell Heflin would say, especially regards FL Governor Ron Lancelot whose policies have been phenomenal so far; but a crack has appeared in Sir Lancelot’s shield.
I still laugh whenever I remember the Senator’s reaction when he saw compromising photos of Sen. Ted Kennedy with women on his yacht, Heflin reportedly joked “I see Sen. Kennedy has changed his position on offshore drilling.”
Trump needs to announce that he is running pronto, like now, then we will see what the others decide to do. I believe everyone is waiting to see what Trump is planning to do.
hey Maggiemoo, I thought tht also until the Sunday shows, and realized the Uniparty is begging to talk about PDJT and not the BIDEN FAILURES.
if we stay strategic, there is no way Biden makes it to 2024 with those list of failures.
Dem turnout will be dismal.
I hear you and that makes sense, but I do think others are waiting to see if he announces he’s running and will get behind him. I do not want to lose DeSantis as our Governor, Republicans need to get out and vote.
this is fight of this country’s life.
from here on out , nothing is gonna be easy. good luck.
We can’t afford a false government being running by shadows much longer.
No, the Dems don’t usually vote for a person (until it is a Black Messiah), they vote for D after the name and AGAINST everything ‘Trump’.
Don’t count on the low turnout. Even if the Rats had to blatantly cheat in 2920 in a few key districts to ensure Biden’s electoral victory, the general turnout was anything but low. Many tens of millions voted — not FOR Biden but AGAINST Trump. The hatred of Trump among the democrat voters is off the charts, thanks to the fake news media that promoted the most outrageous lies 24/7/12/365 for years, and the Uniparty efforts. This hatred of the man the same people loved and admired just 10 years ago is pathological. It is irrational. There is nothing like this anyone ever seen before.
Biden regime’s failures won’t prevent their base from voting for him if he is allowed to “run” (which means letting the media run his campaign while he is being medicated into a semi-conscious state in his bunker).
Beta men and terminally unhappy, bossy, bitchy women cannot stand alpha men. And there you have it.
^^^This^^^
“This hatred of the man the same people loved and admired just 10 years ago is pathological. It is irrational. There is nothing like this anyone ever seen before.”
I find myself saying this to myself daily for the past 6 years, Summer. Truly incomprehensible! And yes, the gaslighting, lying, covering, manipulating, suppressing, politically biased Media is what caused this.
He is planning on fighting an indictment,
so he can avoid going to prison.
I am having a hard time understanding people who
can’t grasp this.
No, Maggie.
Pull your head out of your azz,
PDJT is powerless at this point.
Will you understand when he is perp walked?
Powerless? BoBo is powerless.
When do most early voting windows open? I want Trump to announce right before then.
Ha. Just the opposite. Go underground, lay low, don’t give the communists any heads up. Let them sink this country into the ground some more. Alot more people have to hit the bottom hard before President Trump announces.
The most bone-chilling line is left out of the transcript. It is in bold below where it should be.
The Clintons are criminals. Remember that. This is…
how many law licenses have the obamas and clintons lost?
you dont get it. its either PDJT 2024 or protest across the country.
Thank you Sundance for the courage to stand unapologetically over the target. God bless you.
the part i don’t get is if they did this to help desantis in the republican party, they failed at a scale that makes 0ne laugh until it hurts.
with friends like this, desantis (who i like, in addition to trump) does not need any enemies.
they strategized this in a boardroom. the execution of it is not the outcome they wanted.
they thought we would swallow Ron and love him, and forget avoid PDJT DOJ Drama.
their boardroom plan was flawed. and Ron is almost not recoverable – he has a short window to speak up.
WhiteBoard…
IMO, that short window to recover can’t be words anymore. That ship sailed out to sea in the days since the raid. Ron’s going to have to actually perform an action in order to achieve redemption…I don’t see that happening.
he can do it just like thelastrefuge2 said – King of Scottland in Braveheart after he betrayed became a relentless warrior for the cause once he realized
another thought – maybe they enticed Ron to the majors knowing that would piss off MAGAs and defeat him in FL rolling Crist in, losing the state. That would change lots in 2024.
Unfortunately I don’t think our numbers are as big as some here want to believe.
Regular rank and file looooveeee DeSantis. Every Republican in the country is moving to Florida. They don’t view him through the lens presented here. It’s hard to fault them but I can see both sides.
DeSantis also is not stupid enough to run against Trump.
Is he smart enough to avoid being a foil in the machinations to sideline Trump?
Truth
people need to get a grip on what is happening.
“…. The FBI raid on August 8
….. Joe Biden “vacation”
….. Ron DeSantis presented as the palatable illusion of choice.
Then you have not been paying attention, or you are in denial.”
So Masters and Lake are also RINO’s? Fun stuff! Sunnydancer has swallowed a big friggin’ BLUE PILL!
Hmmm..Where is it stated that Masters and Lake are RINOS, Unipartier ?
It’s the Transitive Property.
Well, why would they let RINO DeSantis support them if they weren’t RINOs too?
Next thing you know, they’ll be calling in Mitch McConnell to rally with ’em. /s
If you can’t tell, I’m agreeing with Gamboge here.
I hear Larry Hogan, MD. Gov., is going out there next week to show support. /s
you need to read before you post dude
i recognize these commenters and they have been around for a while.
my guess is they are from Florida and this is a very touchy topic for them, and is making them react.
LOL😂😂😂😂
You’re reading comprehension needs some reworking…pal!
So they won’t let him run again? If that happens then what do we do? Who do we trust? If Trump is unable to run then we are in a bit of a pickle. We don’t have anyone else? Is MAGA doa if Trump is not able to run? Because so far it seems like there’s no one who can carry it further. And don’t mention Kari Lake. She still needs to prove herself.
These people are desperate they’re insane. They will do whatever it takes and blame Trump or us the entire time.
If “THEY” can decide if Trump is allowed to run, there’s no point in voting at all as you are having your candidate chosen before you even vote. If that happens, it’s time to talk about secession.
If Trump doesn’t run and DeSantis declares himself to be a candidate, I think there will be several other people entering the race too. Just remember 2016, Jeb! was running and probably had the best chance of winning (til Trump started to get really popular), but there were still like 6 or more other people in the race.
As of Jan. 17, 2016, these are the Republican presidential candidates still running (in alphabetical order):
With the exception of Donald Trump, a few good men but no president material.
Ben Carson was the only other good man on that list. Period.
Ron DeSantis (a great FL governor) is flattered by the attention showered upon him by Karl Rove and the GOPe. He does not want to jeopardize that. He will only say what Karl gives him permission to say.
As I’ve said before.
The people have been stifled. They want us to think we have no power.
PEOPLE wake up!!!!!
It is time to stand for TRUTH
Do you really think after all laws and rules these people have broken to try to remove Trump that they will allow an honest vote tabulation in 2024? Or an honest vote tabulation in the GOP primaries to determine who wins the nomination to run in 2024? No way. Who will prevent it? Not the GOP establishment.
I fear that there will never be another free and fair election in America. They got away the steal while the whole world watched in the 2020 Presidential and will attempt the same thing on a massive scale in November 2022. This has been planned for years and if the elections are allowed to happen the outcome is preordained.
I saw the following reply posted on Governor DeSantis’ personal Twitter page:
“Thank you for helping coordinate the raid on Mar-a-Lago, Governor DeSantis. I realize you only did it for your own political benefit, but you also did a great service to the country as a whole. I call that a win-win.”
It will be crazy if we find out that’s what actually happened.
lol
Someone should ask DeSantis if he was notified about the raid prior to it. I am sure there was some coordination with Florida State Police (or whatever the name is) in order to avoid any unpleasant surprises (Melania’s vigorously defending her wardrobe). And for sure the state police told their boss about it.
Of course he knew. That is why he made his one weak statement on his personal email. Sundance seems to be the only person who noticed it was his personal email. What a weasel.
The feds generally coordinate with state law enforcement via the attorney General of the state. Florida’s attorney General was out early saying her office was NOT notified.
The feds are not required to notify the state, but as a general rule they do for two reasons. One they usually rely on local law enforcement as back up and two they don’t want to create a stand off type situation with local authorities.
So we have heard that the Florida attorney General was not read in on the raid. Protocol would be the attorney General would be the point of contact, not the Governor. The Governor would be informed via their AG. Is it possible the feds didn’t follow protocol and contacted the Governor directly? Sure, anything is possible, but there is absolutely nothing to base such wild accusations on
I repeat there us NOTHING to base these accusations on. Are we to believe that the Biden administration is somehow suddenly cozy with DeSantis? Really? After a year and half of trashing him and making him public enemy number one?? After a year and a half, suddenly he’s their guy? They wouldn’t have any reservations at all that he might give team Trump a heads up.
So your choice is believe DeSantis colluded with the Biden administration or that the Biden administration kept the Florida officials in the dark. I know which one I find more plausible.
For all of you who think the Biden regime cozied up to DeSantis can I interest you in a bridge I have for sale? I have some nice Florida swampland too, hurry it’s going fast!
Exactly! Which it’s so frustrating that people still think we can vote our way to victory. You have no choice except to trust God and His instrument of choice for this time….Trump
The thing about DeSantis – cut him a little slack for what he is – a politician. He exists in a political aquarium. Everyone he works with does. He can only survive by breathing the water in the aquarium.
He can see us on the outside the aquarium but he cannot himself function or even know how to function outside of it.
Trump is outside of it. He is free and he knows how to operate in and for the freedom we all exist in and understand.
The problem is the aquarium has sharks, and they are wired to devour of any other fish in the aquarium to sate themselves, and not only that, anyone on the outside who puts their foot in the aquarium is playing with danger because the sharks can see it and fight it.
which is why we are reminding people to stick with PDJT and stop the sneak attacks. because he is fighting for his life, and he is no politician
It was DeSantis choice to distance himself so much from Trump that he can’t even say Trump’s name now. Fair weather friend. I’m worried that Kari Lake is doing the same thing.
The thing is that if DeSantis embraces Trump he must give up his water for Trump’s air – and he dies.
The political class is now wholly incompatible with the civilian class in driving governance. It’s that simple. It’s not even whether they want to. They just can’t.
DeSantis would be a sure bet for President in 2028 if he embraced Trump.
GRRRRRRR…who wants DeSantis if he is controlled by the same controllers we have now? Will some of you just wake up?
His state spent billions on anti-hacking fixes for the SAME GD MACHINES AND OTHER METHODS THAT ARE SCREWING US NOW!!!!!
The money could have been used to REPLACE the Dominion machines.
Kabuki theater with payoffs!
Yeah, because the powers that be wouldn’t rig another Presidential election, would they? /
Tomorrow, Tuesday 16 Aug 2022 are the TWO MOST important primary elections of the year. It is imperative that Liz and Lisa go down…absolutely imperative. Please, if you are in Wyoming or Alaska or know anyone that is, please remember that these are two traitors have done substantial damage to both their party and the Constitution.
I’m in Alaska and have yet to meet a single person that has ever voted for Lisa.
The apophenia is strong in this one.
That sounds more like planned narrative / wishful thinking rather than careful observation of reaction across most platforms where MAGA voters read and comment.
Planned narrative. Talking points. I wonder how much she’s being paid.
company woman….the anti-Lake attack ad she did(under the guise of an interview) on her show with Robson was a total disgrace…
I’d sooner turn the page on you, Laura. Much sooner.
She’s in on it too. Wow. Disgusting.
Morning Consult poll published Aug 11: a record-high 71% of GOP voters say that Trump should run for president in 2024
Can someone please inform Laura Ingraham?
She knows. But she’s paid to present Fox narrative steering….
earns big bucks every year
beats walking the street hands down, same kind of business
HAH! Good reply!
Ugh!!! I’m not even shocked. She went along with the election theft.
Hey everyone check out my transcript of the last part of DeSantis’ interview with Glenn Beck in the prior thread about DeSantis (rallies). Glenn Beck outright asked DeSantis about his relationship with Trump. His answer is telling.
Link?
Sundance has a couple things on his Twitter about Laura Ingraham suggesting we MAGA folk are ready tomove on from Trump. I remember quite clearly a monologue she delivered after the stolen election. With a smile on her face she suggested then that we move on, that trumpism wasn’t about Trump, and that the Republican Party could carry the torch for him and without him. I wish I could find it. It was one of the creepiest things I’ve ever seen
I remember that. I was shocked and disappointed because I had held her in high regard.
Unfortunately Catherine Englebrecht said the same thing during the PIT conference the other day.
She nuanced it by saying we must get to the bottom of 2020 but that we needed to move forward.
I know she is worried about this vote coming up, and considering the reveal about NYS’ phantom voter registration, I calmed down a bit after understanding why she said what she did.
Fact: Steve Bannon wrote the famous “Our Movement” speech for PDJT. It could not have been more spot-on, then OR now.
They’d make a hell of a team again.
Steve Bannon didn’t write that. 😉
Ha! We’ll have to respectfully agree to disagree. It’s 100% Bannon’s populist messaging, going back at least 8 years – on every single point. I didn’t follow him at all when he was working with Andrew Brietbart, but apparently only came to pay attention to politics around the same time.
I don’t need to tell you, but for newbies, Bannon was 2016 candidate Trump’s last and most successful chief campaign strategist before the surprise win. He’s the one who orchestrated the glorious response to the Billy Bush tape.
Did candidate or president DJT ever give such a speech with all these hallmark blows and stark-reality, what you should expect, one-after-another before or after this speech? Nope – nothing quite this defining and succinct.
Bannon had long been labeled every filthy word in the political lexicon, before Trump descended the escalator. He knew all the slings and arrows directed at Trump were only just beginning.
In any case, it’s been Bannon’s hallmark message pretty much everyday, for a very long time. A collaboration with Trump, no doubt about that.
Pretty sure Steve Miller wrote that speech.
Nope, show me another candidate/PDJT speech that brought this much fight. There isn’t one. I waited patiently, but it never came.
It’s a one-off because Bannon wrote it understanding Breitbart’s “WAR!”, and Trump agreed that he needed to bring it too.
It’s PDJT’s greatest speech of all time (period).
their main hope is a trump/desantis fissure…internecine warfare..that`s their(both parties) path for 2024….this has to be nipped in the bud….
imagine trump and desantis both running and the establishment coalescing behind a third candidate(say nikki haley)….
divide and conquer..with such power in the media and an alarmingly apathetic,uninformed public,it could happen…
Nimrata Randhawa will never be president in a million different multiuniverses.
I am just sick about this
First few minutes,
No dumb bastaard won a war dying for his country.
We won a war by making the other dumb bastard die.
Patton speech
Buck up Buckaroos. They don’t quit, they don’t stop, they will kill you.
Quit acting like someone else is going to solve this for you
Quit acting like someone else will take this from you.
are you a man or are you a mouse.
Buck up
Every 4 years we stand in line and vote for the liar that tells us the lie we want to hear.
No more.
In the past we all voted for the less horrible person. 🙂 I walked away from the Dems in 2008 and voted R for the first time in my live in the general election that year. I voted for McCain. I couldn’t stand him, I wished the nominee had been better! But I did vote for him because I was absolutely not going to vote for Obama. McCain was less horrible. Same with Romney.
And now I remember, with much emotion, how beautiful it was to cast my vote in 2016 (and 2020) for Trump.
I did the same in 2008 and 2012, but I’m not doing that again. And McCain was every bit as horrible a human being as Obama is.
Awesome. You can’t fix something if you can’t identify the problem. The uniparty wants us to fall back into their matrix, loop, call it what you will, polls, red waves, nonsense like that.
We must vote, in fact we must swamp the jerks, but if 2020 is not corrected there will be no more fair elections. They’ll throw us a bone get everybody settled down and then finish us off.
But, I don’t believe that’s what is going to happen. Call me sentimental but at some point they will have to have the consent of the governed. Things like the spontaneous President Trump rallies popping up on places like Long Island NY. Never seen or even heard of that kind of excitement for any politician/American except maybe if you knew Elvis was coming to town.
THEY DON”T HAVE THE PEOPLE! Their laws are fraudulent, dictates from an illegitimate government no longer do we have to wonder about cheating…2020’s settled that, YES! Every law since at least electronic voting must be forensically reviewed and start with The Patriot Act. The days of trusting our government are gone until proven otherwise.
I weep for my country, but I see everyday good Americans waking up. We get together, our commonality and they are done, inertia will take’em out, Gods will or the consent of the governed.
MAGA! …again.
Redhead Jessica Chastain watching Lake Erie from “Take Shelter” in case anyone is curious.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1675192/
I used to like her but then I found out she endorsed Biden. Endorsed!
Well, movies pretty much require one to suspend disbelief, and I’ve come to recognize the need to suspend disgust as well, though it’s a lot harder to do, I pretty much assume they are all idiots these days.
MAGA!!!!
Somewhere in America after President Trump’s 3rd successful term that resulted in downsizing the federal government to the original Constitutional limits, duties and functions ……
A young lady asked her dad, “What did you do during the Great American Revolution II that restored our Constitutional freedoms and destroyed the administrative state?
Ron answered “Dear, I shoveled shit in Louisiana after Florida drove me out of the state for double crossing President Trump and joining the enemy GOPe camp. (apologies to General Patton for using one of his greatest lines).
“Let’s go Brandon!”
Desantis and Trump are together on this.
Oh, we still have believers in 4D chess around here?
Trust Sessions.
ABC article about the DeSantis AZ rally:
DeSantis stopped earlier in Carlsbad, New Mexico, and delivered a similar stump-like speech in Phoenix Sunday, ticking through his anti-COVID, anti-transgender policies in Florida and criticizing the federal government, all without once mentioning Trump’s name.
All – I still like my new Governor. So, question; Is the Treehouse, given the events of the past several day, becoming simply a Tump or bust, anti-DeSantis hangout? Asking for a friend.
JMO, I believe the record will show that the Treehouse is 100% MAGA, America First…………aka President Trump.
What say ye and your governor?
GOPe?
Asking for America.
Tell your friend they should read more… for context.
That should help.
I never answer people who end their questions by saying, “asking for a friend.”
The Treehouse Host has been very consistent is praising Governor DeSantis for what he has done in Florida for Floridians..
However the host has recently observed that the GOPe (Deep State-controlled) is carefully (and subtly, if one is not paying attention) positioning DeSantis to be their preferred candidate INSTEAD of President Trump in 2024.
That should tell you that DeSantis is the Establishment’s / Deep State’s preferred GOP candidate and THAT should be of concern to you (and everyone) as to why.
Until President Trump declares he is NOT running for 2024, I believe CTH is behind him for President.
And again.
Who. Cares. what the GOPe does/thinks?
I’ll be as influenced by them as I am by the crap spewed by Fake News.
And I think most MAGA supporters are with me there.
CTH cares.
How else are we to defeat them?
Sun Tzu said Know the enemy and know yourself in a hundred battles you will never be in peril. When you are ignorant of the enemy but know yourself, your chances of winning or losing are equal. If ignorant both of your enemy and of yourself, you are certain in every battle to be in peril.”
GOPe has tremendous control over state Republican party organizations. They can heavily influence who gets on the primary ballot vs. who doesn’t. They are the Big Club and of course are totally corrupt.
When THEY start subtly promoting Gov. DeSantis we need to pay attention since that means THEY have a plan to deny Trump the ability to run again. Yes there is still time to spoil their plans since the 2024 primaries aren’t until Spring 2024. But a lot can and will happen between now and then. Stay frosty.
letting Ron know our priorities about staying on the the straight and narrow,
from many battered conservatives that have been betrayed again and again by shiny pols doing backflips for a shot on the national stage
It’s a bust for Ron if he thwarts 45 or MAGA in any form or fashion.
So, is the consensus now that DeSantis is ‘in on it’ (last weeks raid) or just that he has decided to run? Asking for myself this time. I’m just struggling with how quickly people have turned on the Governor.. how quick we have relegated him to being just another swamp monster.
I don’t know the answer to your first question, but, I have repeated stated my stance.
People didn’t turn on the governor. They didn’t ‘leave’ him; he left us. It is his actions which have resulted in reactions.
Actions also have reactions/consequences – either good, bad or indifferent.
Ron’s actions resulted in negative consequences for many.
He is responsible for HIS actions. He’s smart. He knew the potential consequences and went forward anyway. That’s his choice.
Now, he has to live with the negative consequences.
I hope he gets reelected in FL. He better not galavant too far from home or he might find “theM’ setting him up to lose what he worked so hard at doing the last few years.
Seems like lots of new people here, coming out of the wood work from somewhere.
SD has plucked some nerves.
Carry on, have an adult beverage or take a blood pressure pill cuz it is interesting entertainment.
Oh yes. Nerves are plucked. But the plucker is only telling truths. Too many pluckees would rather have their “ears tickled” than hear the uncomfortable truth.
Indeed.
Sundance warned on his Twitter feed that some folks might want to just stop following him.
Truth doesn’t care about anyone’s feelings.
Are you really sure you want to climb that far out a limb you might have to climb back off…?
If Trump ends up moving to TN or TX, be prepared for Trump/DeSantis. And unlike Pence, DeSantis hasn’t folded.
Pres and VP same state you referring to, read this:
This is one of those rules that many people get wrong. There actually is nothing in the U.S. Constitution that prevents candidates for President and Vice President who live in the same state from running together. As a practical matter, it might be a bad idea, since presidential tickets are often put together to create geographic diversity. But, having two from the same state is permissible.
The confusion comes from a misinterpretation of the Constitution. Article II, paragraph 3 states that “The electors … shall vote for two persons, of whom one at least shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves.” It’s a bit of unclear, but what it prohibits is an elector from casting both of his or her votes for candidates from the same state in which the elector lives.
The provision stems from the original manner in which we elected a President. Until it was changed in 1804, Electoral College electors would vote for two people. The winner of the most votes would be the President, and the candidate finishing second became the Vice President. The purpose of the provision was to try and force electors to look outside their own political circles, and to make sure that the largest states did not create a monopoly on viable candidates.
However, you can probably see the problem. The chief vote-getters are likely to be political rivals, and not exactly strong candidates to work together. In 1796, John Adams was elected President, with the runner-up being political rival Thomas Jefferson. As has been popularized in the stage play “Hamilton,” neither Adams nor Jefferson was a fan of the arrangement.
In 1804, the United States adopted the 12th Amendment, which addresses some of the confusion around the Electoral College and altered the process. The Vice President was put on a separate ballot, allowing electors to vote for one person for President and another person for Vice President. Now, candidates for both offices simply run together as a unified ticket. However, the residual requirement that the electors could not cast both ballots for a person from their own state was not removed.
I remember on RUSH’s TV show, he had a segment called “democrats interviewing democrats”
Illustrating what needed to be changed.
As ALWAYS RUSH was RIGHT!
If we want different kinds of polititions we have to stop being focused on just the ballot box.
I think that nothing will ever change in our government until we separate the government from the media cartels.
An excellent place to start would be busting up the Whitehouse correspondence association.
Somehow they get to control who gets access to the people accountable to the public.
They also get to decide who IS a real journalists.
who is deserving of access.
who gets labeled a nut job conspiracy theorist that needs to be banned from anyplace politicians are answering questions.
And who can join their little union.
(who’s membership is a requirement for access to Whitehouse press conferences.)
There are plenty of unbiased journalists that still possess the curiosity gene,(regardless of the party of those being questioned)
but they aren’t allowed access to any of the lying officials in our government.
People that know they are being watched behave very differently.
When our government officials are unable to lie to the public with the ASSISTANCE of EVERYONE in the media.
They will begin to FEAR the consequences of everything they do.
Only then,will we have a different kind of politician than we have today.
Pass this information along to any of the “alphabet” agents who want to cut loose from the biden administration after the treasonous Florida raid:
https://thetexan.news/gov-abbott-says-texas-will-hire-dissatisfied-fbi-agents-after-raid-on-trumps-mar-a-lago/
“Let’s go Brandon!”
the rest should be fired in the next Trump administration by restoring America to its preWoodrow Wilson FBI – nada.
Please keep praying for those good people that have been deceived. Into taking the jab. Into worshiping satan. It is heartbreaking to watch.
You segued from jab to satanic worship. Are you saying that one leads to the other? Asking because the first applies to me and the second most certainly does not.
“Late last week, I was interviewed on Sean Hannity’s FOX TV show regarding the stunning FBI raid on President Donald Trump’s home, Mar-a-Lago, only days before. Having been the target of an early dawn FBI raid on my own home by 29 SWAT-clad FBI agents brandishing M4 fully automatic assault rifles on January 25th, 2019 to arrest me for the entirely fabricated “crime” of lying to Congress, I am among the few Americans who can understand the feeling of violation President Trump and former First Lady Melania Trump must feel, as in the raid on my home FBI agents went through every inch of the Trump’s living space.
As was the case in the Trump raid, FBI agents arrived by both land and sea forcing their way into the front gate but also arriving in amphibious units as Mar-a-Lago backs onto Lake Worth.
You won’t be able to find my interview on YouTube where FOX regularly posts all of Hannity’s excellent and hard-hitting programs. That’s because YouTube has banned me for life and will even take down the page of any news outlet that dares to post an interview with me.
To his credit, Hannity posted our interview to both his personal Twitter and Facebook pages where they got broad viewership. The day after the Mar-a-Lago raid it was revealed that among the documents taken by the FBI was the original act of Presidential Clemency extended to me by President Donald Trump.
I have no knowledge as to why the documents related to the clemency granted to me by President Trump appear on the inventory of items seized from the former President’s home at Mar-a-Lago. My commutation and pardon were acts of both mercy and justice extended by President Trump over 2 years ago in a completely legal and appropriate manner. I am grateful that the president recognized the fabricated nature of both the charges against me and my conviction in a corrupted trial.
I do have my suspicions however. Hillary Clinton, Congressman Jerry Nadler, Adam Schiff, Hakeem Jeffries, and Erik Swalwell have all falsely insisted that my pardon was part of a “corrupt bargain” in which I agreed to maintain my silence about nonexistent misdeeds by President Trump in return for a pardon. The fact that there is not a scintilla of evidence to prove anything of the kind never gets in the way of the fake news narrative promulgated by these criminals.
Sadly, once again, this will lead to more legal bills for me as the deep state will never get over the fact that, by the grace of God and the courage and strength of President Donald Trump I escaped the deadly snare set for me by Robert Mueller and Adam Schiff. Nor will I be silenced in the ongoing struggle over the future of our country.”
~~~ Roger Stone, his full article is available over at GatewayPundit and InfoWars.
Have to say it. God, I love this man. I have never in my long life said that about any other politician.
I could have cared less about citizen Trump. Didn’t watch “The Apprentice “ — ever. Knew who he was, of course.
However, I am old enough to have watched all his interviews as a young man when he elaborated about how he felt about America. I believed him when he was campaigning in 2015 because I heard what he expressed about his country decades before.
Donald Trump is not manufactured. Warts and all— he is true to his values. He hasn’t changed in his love for this country — as he expressed so strongly decades ago.
He is taking an endless beating— for us. It would cripple anyone of us to experience this highly financed, totally criminal assault. It has been obvious, contrived, and relentless.
I will stand by him until the last bitter minute. There is no substitute. There is no Trump-lite.
Bring it the hell on—
I stand with Donald Trump!
The REALITY here is this – neither TRUMP or DeSantis has announced a run for 2024. Get a grip TREEPERS.
If DeSantis does not realize he’s being used by RINOS to try and destroy Trump – then he does not realize he is being destroyed – too.
BOTTOM LINE PATRIOTS!!!
President Trump in the White House!!!
Ron DeSantis in the Florida Governor’s Mansion!!!
That was the story line 10 days ago……….
since then, desantis has taken the GOPe spur and is going off in the wrong direction at a high rate of speed……….
the voters didn’t do that……… de san tis did that.
That’s what we all agreed to until Ron got out of his lane.