I think most people agree, the request from Elon Musk to see the background data from Twitter, used to evaluate bots and fake accounts, was entirely reasonable.
Twitter’s prior position that they would not permit Musk’s team to see the data stream was in ordinary violation of the terms of purchase. It would seem to be commonsense that Musk has every right to inspect the data and evaluate Twitter’s prior assertions.
WASHINGTON POST – After a weeks-long impasse, Twitter’s board plans to comply with Elon Musk’s demands for internal data by offering access to its full “firehose,” the massive stream of data comprising more than 500 million tweets posted each day, according to a person familiar with the company’s thinking, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe the state of negotiations.
The move aims to end a standoff with the billionaire, who has threatened to pull out of his $44 billion deal to buy Twitter unless the company provides access to data he says is necessary to evaluate the number of fake users on the platform.
The firehose could be provided as soon as this week, the person said. Currently some two dozen companies pay for access to the trove, which comprises not only a real-time record of tweets but the devices they tweet from, as well as information about the accounts that tweet.
[…] Twitter’s leaders are skeptical of Musk’s ability to use the fire hose to find previously undetected information: The data stream has been available for years to some two dozen companies, which pay Twitter for the ability to analyze it to find patterns and insights in the daily conversation. They, along with some analysts and Silicon Valley insiders, say that Musk is using the data requests as a pretext to wiggle out of the deal or to negotiate a lower price. (read more)
The potential interesting outcome would be to discover that > 10% of twitter users to be bots and if Musk tries to renegotiate price.
Everyone keeps leaving out dupes. Dupes are just as big an issue of not bigger, than bots. I would guess 23%+ are dupes and bots. That’s major.
What about Pierre Delecto?
What about him?
He’s a bot.
Was there a specific question?
Nom de plume.
…and Musk could share the data with the Texas AG, who might want to use it to prosecute Twatter.
Exactly! Two can play that game.
I’m sure a a non disclosure agreement is in place. Don’t know if Musk would violate it. It would prob be a different story after the sale, i think.
Fraud vitiates everything, so they’re screwed if he gets the evidence. I think you’re right that he’d honor an NDA.
I hope he catches them and hangs them out to dry.
Does an NDA vitiate a supeona?
No, but violating an NDA might.
I don’t care how it ends up as much as I care about the damaging exposure of twitter.
+ infinity
“Firehose” is probably management’s saving grace–so they think.
They have probably been satisfied that the enormity of the data obscures in its own right any possible adverse claim.
Twitter is playing on Elon’s battlefield.
Musk and his team are very familiar with the techniques needed for managing/analyzing big data.
That’s what I thought also. Pure Alinsky tactics – overwhelm the system.
Sounds very similar to a standard responce of lawyers, for a request for documentation thats damning; comply “fully” by sending opposing council a whole truckload of documents, that they have to wade thru, to find what they want.
Does access to “the firehose” give musk what he needs, which is a practical way to detirmine how many humans there are, sending tweets?
Dunno,…guess we will see.
“Twitter’s leaders are skeptical of Musk’s ability to use the fire hose to find previously undetected information: The data stream has been available for years to some two dozen companies, which pay Twitter for the ability to analyze it to find patterns and insights in the daily conversation”
😂😂😂😂😂😂
They do know he’s sold two internet startups where he was hands-on with software development (diverging views with X.com and PayPal camps) and is deep in the software used by Tesla for full self-driving, Space X, nuerolink AI, etc.
These clowns are exactly that: clowns. They are software industry leaders with no in-depth knowledge of programming.
They think they have outsmarted Elon Musk.
That’s pretty funny.
Can’t stop laughing.
The joke is on who?
Well his warning order gave them time to adjust algorithms showing less than 5% bots.
I checked Elons birthdate. It wasn’t yesterday.
good one!
Also, Tesla’s Dojo Supercomputer is one of the top, if not the fastest, Supercomputers in the world.
Typical left-wing hyperbole deflecting and painting Musk as the bad guy for weeks in order to tarnish him, but I bet “polling” or actual Twitter conversations show otherwise, hence they cave.
“These clowns are exactly that: clowns. They are software industry leaders with no in-depth knowledge of programming.”
Just like Bill Gates…no wonder Musk is so contemptuous of him! Deservedly so, IMHO! Gates is a sociopath melomaniac with MASSIVE delusions of grandeur who has schemed, stolen, and cheated his way to the top while Elon is an admittedly quirky, probably autistic, genius who truly wants to know HOW things work…and zero ability or desire to “play nice”!
I know who my money is on!!
Paul Allen was the brains of that outfit….Gates was and continues to be a salesman interested in self promotion
Yep! Paul Allen had the technological knowledge but Gates had the family backing and ego…I do not think there was ANY love lost between the two of them, which is why Allen took his money and walked away early on!
Paul Allen described Gates perfectly; He said he was “devious”.
Gates also had the US govt behind him.
And parents who were the leaders of the population depletion project.
And not an honest salesman at that.
NOPE. Not true. The Brains behind Microsoft was Charles Simonyi – former Xerox Parc CLS member who was recruited by Gates. Allen and Gates invented nothing. They bought DOS from Seattle Computing and wrote GW Basic 1.0 that was attached to DOS. Other than that Zilch. Zero. Nada
Simonyi invented the Microsoft Office concept and that is what made Microsoft HUGE. Gates, like Musk and Jobs never never invented anything. NADA.
Not to mention Musk’s Starlink internet satellite…. He and his people know what to do and how to do it. These creeps at twatter are no competition for Elon. way to go, Elon!!!!
Elon may have degreed in physics, but his mind is that of an engineer. My dad would have greatly admired him.
Yep – Engineering of lies and fraud.
No difference between Musk and Gates. None whatsoever.
Thatbis because they are using government servers and most likely, programmers down at Langley.
My guess is these companies pay twitter for the privilege of covering up the “previously undetected information”. Uncovering is not in their business model.
Ummmmm. Who are those two dozen companies?
C eye A? MI 6? FB eye? You can round out the list yourselves.
Same ones who signed off saying russia got trump elected.
You might want to think differently after watching these TED talks:
Debunking Elon Musk Part 1
Debunking Elon Musk Part 2
Debunking Elon Musk Part 3
All your statements above have been proved wrong. And please don’t tell me I am some troll on the internet. I have done way more research than you have and I know that what you posted above about Elon Musk is false.
wait a minute – 2 dozen companies ALREADY have access to this data ?! and they have had access for years?! And they are JUST allowing Musk to see this now as a big concession ? That doesn’t compute . Smells really fishy , overwhelm him with useless data so he can’t find what they are hiding ?
They fooled those 12 companies (or prob use them to test their bot usage), or they are in on it and think they can get away with the fraud. Their first instinct to bluff was from a position of fear, but since Elon called their bluff they need to get ahead of the coming sh?$storm the best they can (in reality they’re screwed and they know it).
Has the twitter ceo gone radio silent? I heard someone who discussed this own their YouTube channel list the CEO’s silence.
Hope Musk publishes the names of the companies. I’ll bet many are fronts for alphabet agencies.
See my comment below. I think the reason he is just now getting access and the fact that 2 dozen companies have had access isn’t an actual concession (I agree it is not a big concession). It is another light being turned on and the roaches are scattering. Elon has the ability to analyze the data and the computing power to do so. You can analyze the last 12 months of data and get a pretty good picture of what is going on.
access to a firehose?
It sounds like a combination of incrementalism, and obfuscations.
Using the analogy, what about access to the hydrant, the water tower, the stream, the reservoir, the ocean, the sky, cyber world, the lands…. yesterday?
Maybe they were stalling to give themselves time to scrub their accounts of bots
That’s what struck me…..2 dozen companies already have had access to this information? I want to know – what companies? WHY did they have access to this information? What purpose did they have in accessing this data? Why did Twitter give them access? What have they done with the information?
I would like to know how many governmental agencies have access.
For that matter, I’d like to know how many governments have such access.
Their business model is becoming clearer…
Well, the money they don’t actually earn from legitimate sources (you know, the money that keeps their company afloat) has to come from somewhere…
One hand washes the other. Just imagine the serious money connections between those companies as some kind of secret business deal. I hope their dominoes will fall! Go get ’em Elon , Go!! Could it be so much worse than anyone can believe?
ALL OF THEM !
Yes, that it (twitter) is a sham. Why do you think the “leprechan” is stepping down???
How else will governments populate our digital IDs without complete access to our online histories?
Two dozen companies… like CIA, DoJ, and FIB assets/employees. Elon and his people will find out what the real situation is regarding spam, bots, etc.
Someone got creative and pulled a number other than 17 out of their…hats
Making progress?
Everyone here thinks Elon is a super hero. What if the CIA, FBI, NSA want Elon taking over the business because Twitter hasn’t done everything they’ve asked for and Elon will deliver what is requested?
Everything is not always as it appears……
It pays to be skeptical.
100% government contractors. Maybe. Maybe one hedge fund.
Exactly. CIA, DOJ, et al.
Musk and his people will find it all. Elon is playing for winner takes all. IMO, he will win.
Don’t forget the five eyes countries plus maybe one or two others are all complicit in the great reset one world government takeover. So a couple of dozen using twits information isn’t a very large number when divided between them.
Here’s some:
Ellerdale, Collecta, Kosmix, Scoopler, twazzup, CrowdEye and Chainn Search all have licensed the Twitter “firehose” of tweets.
Plus there’s Grip and Topsy. And of course google, yahoo and Microsoft.
So, who are the 2 dozen companies with this access? What do they do with the data? Does Twitter’s terms of service inform users of this fact? If not, bring on the lawyers for some class action. How many of those companies are 3 letter organizations (of course, as the feds are “probably” a hosting partner that may be moot)? Are there audit trails of what data is provided and what use these companies do with the data?
If I were Musk, I would want answers to all of these questions as there may be some future liability. Answers would also be enlightening.
An added thought. If the data identifies device type, an interesting analysis would be to see if the T&Cs of the device manufacturer (e.g., Apple iPhones) are being violated. I would also look to see if any privacy statutes (federal or state) are being violated. This may be bigger than the bot number.
I can see an AG like Texas AG Paxton digging into this. In fact, I think I will suggest he do so.
He’s already on the potential defrauding of advertisers. And Tesla is now a Texas business, so if Twitter is calling itself an orange and it’s really a lemon, I’d say Paxton will be all over it.
“So, who are the 2 dozen companies with this access? What do they do with the data? Does Twitter’s terms of service inform users of this fact?” These are key questions, likely to reveal something about the surveillance public-private partnership that’s been around since the PATRIOT ACT to collect everything digital about everyone, and use it to conduct highly effective targeted ads, plus Deep State use to control the populace, and to shape the nature and the direction of cultural shift.
There’s probably a lot more bots out there than 5%, but the reasons they’re there are perhaps various and non-obvious. I had initially assumed they were there to inflate numbers, which is likely, but not necessarily the exclusive motivation.
If you’re doing PR, having bots to serve as a Greek Chorus of agreement over what your PR message is would also be valuable. If you’re working a Great Reset, or Communist Revolution, then a Greek Chorus of agreement over and immediate adoption of the latest politically correct fad terminology would be valuable. If you’re inciting panic to justify emergency powers, If you’re vilifying individuals or organizations or movements to remake them as “enemies of the state,” in order to justify use of police power against their “racist hate speech” (see politically correct definition thereof), then having a Greek Chorus of agreement with everything said is very valuable.
Somehow, I feel Elon is either a super super genius, or that he is working with other forces of light behind the scene, who perhaps already know who and what the sources and purposes of some of those bots are all about, and are using the “Elon takeover method,” in preference to the whistleblower method, which has been thoroughly discredited for many years.
Sundance, an obvious force of light, suggested that Twitter was being subsidized. It is possible that some of such a “subsidy” could come in the form of government contracts from Deep State agencies to Twitter to generate bots as part of a digital age extension of the Mockingbird Project, to influence the population toward right think, and away from dangerous (to the state) alternative thinking.
If so, that would be a very interesting development.
One interesting thing is when they sell this data it will make it difficult for them to deny access to another entity. I can see AG Paxton subpoenaing the same data. Would think some criminal investigation subpoena would override any proprietary information defense. Especially in the right Texas court.
Tom Fitton of Judicial Watch has sent foia requests for information and found that many crucial items were left out of what he received. Things are not working as they should be because the cabal is seriously hiding info AND getting away with it!!
Maybe the “conspiracy theorists” who believe the MSM talking heads get their “talking points”, complete with the day’s “buzz phrases” just stumbled on the vehicle for their delivery.
Next, we’ll find out Twitter has secret offices inside the PerkinsCoie law fare firm. Totally believable!
He has got them between a rock and a hard place. I like the direction this is going. Go get’em Elon.
If the board screws this up, they could be PERSONALLY held accountable, and I bet some lawyers just told the fools that.
Their lawyers are a bunch of idiots. Between this and Alex Berenson’s lawsuit they are treading water.
My only fear is that Alex will eventually agree to settle out of court. I hope he doesn’t. All of the players at the twit need to be deposed and forced to testify under oath. Anything less will allow them to avoid the responsibility they bear for censoring him and many others. He has said the red line is the loss of discovery. imho, he should just tell them to go pound sand, I’ll see you in chambers. And serve anybody even remotely involved.
Perhaps an honest person in the company will make sure Musk gets the real information and not a doctored version?
An honest person in the Twit? LOL Don’t count on that ever happening.
Twitter is still a thing?
I guess a lot of people followed that Pirates of the Caribbean guy’s trial, too.
Wow. Talk about burying the lead. So who are these “companies”, and are they really companies, or government agencies?…though it’s hard to tell which is which these days.
As they say “ cut outs “ , “ conduits “ , “intermediaries” etc etc but guessing that the little roulette ball will ultimately drop on the “ G” slot one way or the other .
What about those who do not pay for the access but take it anyways?
It’s called “scraping”. I am married to IT and it is a huge problem. Alerts day and night, awful. Unknown actors accessing your Company website, doing who knows what. They get more devious all the time.
Twitter welcomes them. Disgusting.
Is Perkins Coie one of them?
Maybe unrelated/just legal services… but given the recent discovery of PC having a FIB portal– it would not be surprising if they had open access to Twitter too .
(Prior comment:)
I just saw your comment about Twitter having a secret office inside PerkinCoie. Couldn’t agree more!
Government contractors – like Crowdstrike.
I believe Shiva Ayyadurai found out some of the twit connections to State officials when the twit blocked his account shortly before the 2020 election Senate race he entered.
The Deep State hates sunshine.
They hate US!
I hope that when he gets the info and starts analyzing it, that it doesn’t wind up being another “millions of packets” Lindell type bombshell that goes nowhere with the public even if it were valid. This analysis is going to be technically over the head of most people and I hope there is resultant litigation that is not tainted and brings the chickens home to roost – because the media will see to it that the data itself won’t.
for those old enough to remember when aol counted people who received a free aol floppy disk in the mail as:
subscribers.
the fallout to AOL was crushing. it was a well known sunlight scheme of deception in order to drive ad revenue, marketing contracts and of course the AOL stock traded globally.
this has been going on for a very long time. Tech companies AND media orgs manipulate “users/subscribers/unique visitors/” aka “engagement” through a number of manipulative schemes.
ironically most of the ads are loss leaders. But to brands having the broadest saturation possible on social media platforms has always been the game.
I am skeptical about what twitter is actually going to release.
and really this entire matter is something that twitter can legally defend.
I think twitter provides data but withholds some crucial segments of it. And this leaves elon with trying to create an enigma machine that perhaps event the courts might rule ultimately, sorry charlie…it’s too late to bring this up…you waived due diligence. Again becoming a legal issue. Maybe that is what elon wants…maybe that’s all he gets.
What would the original deal look like IF elon did NOT waive due diligence? Could it have even been agreed to by both parties?
noting: the original deal, places a value of about 140 dollars PER ACCOUNT. That’s what elon is buying…the direct data that he can then use to attract more than two dozen ad and marketing companies.
If he is confident the business model is still workable, the he can simply follow through with the deal.
140 value for each user is actually STILL on the low end of the spectrum wrt to social media companies, bookface, instagram, amazon, etc.
but I must also note this: elon has been emphatic this merger is not about economics.
he has something else in mind.
he wants to change the state of social media. I think he has a good opportunity to do just that even if it means spending much more for this fraudulent company that he will then perform a turnaround.
He most certainly did not waive due diligence, it’s the reason he’s been asking for this data since the deal was accepted.
The problem for Twitter is Elon can a) do complex physics formula’s in his head, b) knows an awful lot about how much code and data it takes to do certain things, c) has written a ton of code, and d) knows about multi-user platforms -what do you think PayPal was?
He’ll know in an instant if the data and code is “complete”. He won’t need another programmer to inform him of anything that’s observable about the code and data by just reading it. He’ll know if it’s BS instantly. Of course, he’ll have his people dive into it, but I think he will as well and will probably find some red flags himself.
ultimately it ends up in.the courts.
science math physics don’t enter into the justice system black hole.
in America, if you want to WIN you need more than just intelligence…you need to have a top shelf legal team, and some court justices that are reliable to a non partisan.influence.
showing the math is just it one of many requirements to put wins in the box.
maybe elon can do it… I have no reasons to think he can IF he is willing to see the bigger in picture.
own the company per the agreement, take it private, turn it around THEN expose the former execs and “contractors/clients”.
and make about 40 billion a year min. with growth at a sustainable 4 percent for 10 years.
or just forgo the merger pay the 1 billion forfeiture and then have nothing to show for the effort except whiny bitchy comments.
I think Elon is not a whiny bitchy type.
it’s more than economics
he goes all in… warts and all.
bonus of he gets a court to rule Anything above 5 percent bots can be part of final agreement settlements settlement.
let’s look at what that looks like:
54 billion agreement
5 percent bots..
let’s say bots are actually
50 percent.
does this mean 54 x .50
=
27 billion?
what of 90 percent?
54 x .10 =
5.4.bills?
20 percent ?
54x .80 ?
43 billion
or
Elon simply takes them to school on their platform right now…and does not wait to expose the fraud.
stay tuned
ooops….my bad….agreement in april was 54.20 per share for a april 2022 total of 43 million USD$.
adjust math accordingly.
The script bots are still running rampant.
On any post worth reading on our side, with a good ratio, you see the exact same wording on 5-8 sequential replies.
And, I have yet to hear any discussion of the foreign user (poser account) numbers, which has always been huge.
Why would an American consumer advertiser want to poke into a foreign user’s timeline?
I don’t know if I would put my eggs in the “Musk (& C0.) isn’t smart enough to decipher our data” basket.
Yes bold talk from the little birdies – but Musk will quickly see if it is a totally BS move by them , which I suspect it is .
Raise your hand if you think Musk has already purchased some of this data from one of the 12 companies they admit they selling it to in order to compare it to what Twitter provides.
The data is likely secured by an NDA.
There’s another possibility, to wit, that Musk wants to see the bot data to destroy Twitter’s existing reputation. Disclosing the bot data means, in my view, that Twitter management is conceding a reduction in purchase price is inevitable. But, consider that if Musk buys a discounted TWTR and after closing discloses a high bot percentage, he’ll be able to 1) invalidate Twitter’s influence pre-closing on just about any subject, and 2) form a low base from which to begin to build his miraculous turnaround story.
Or terminate the deal as he may be already looking for an ‘out’ but wants to see what is behind the curtain first.
So 12 of the 14 intelligence agencies, excuse me, “companies”, pay for full access to Twitter’s data. I guess the CIA and DIA get theirs for free since they put up most of the start-up capital??
i have to guess that Elon already has them by the cojones, and just wanted to let the twats demonstrate what commies they’ve been. Go, Elon!!!
I know little about Elon. But the little I know tells me he’s VERY bright; is a man of his word; and knows (like Pres. Trump) how to accomplish great things. Just to think of the thousands of SpaceX satellites; how he kept the Ukraine in the worldwide loop; and The Boring Company—unimaginable to an old fart like me.
I will be surprised if Elon pays twatter the 44 million.
But, hey, each of my six kids surprised me with a lot of “help” from their lying, stealing mother.
As my pal PT Barnum used to say: “There’s a sucker born every minute.”
As far as I know, the Russians never attacked the Ukrainian communications infrastructure,
or their power infrastucture, for that matter.
44 BILLION.
I suspect the coding twiddlers have been twiddling……… He won’t find anything amiss.
Twitter’s <5% thing is in their SEC disclosures – 10k? SO, if Musk’s experts get the whole data trove and credibly suggest it is much > 5% then what is Twitter libility for a false 10k if they knew or should have known it was wrong?
I would think, at a minimum:
This, of course, assumes the gov. and their wall street puppeteers actually follow the law. More likely it’ll get a pass and further erode trust, if any remains at this point, in the justice system.
Guess who tripped going up the steps to Air Force One again?
Must have been really windy, huh?
Lesko…?
HITLER?
I can buy tens, if not hundreds of Twilio numbers and create an API that could represent a similar number of users, but in reality, it’s just a single source. Now daisy chain them. It’s really not that difficult.
There’s more fiction than fact on the internet.
What a strange COINCIDENCE, the Recall of SF DA Chesa Boudin and now Twitter (located in San Francisco) allowing Musk to see the Data.
There are no coincidences. Trust Sessions.
I wonder if they’ll give him the format info for the firehose data stream or if they are playing games and saying here’s the data, good luck with that.
A stream of data is garbly-gook without knowing how to parse it. Someone technically could figure out what the fields are by looking at the data but it would a long time to map.
It would be like trying to break a coded message. In this case the amount of data should make it easier to do but still it would delay things.
Just a thought as a former programmer.
From the musk letter in Sundance’s June 6 article:
Twitter’s latest offer to simply provide additional details regarding the company’s own testing methodologies, whether through written materials or verbal explanations, is tantamount to refusing Mr. Musk’s data requests. Twitter’s effort to characterize it otherwise is merely an attempt to obfuscate and confuse the issue. Mr. Musk has made it clear that he does not believe the company’s lax testing methodologies are adequate so he must conduct his own analysis. The data he has requested is necessary to do so.
They are still refusing to comply with his request. Instead they are trying to overwhelm him with the ‘firehose’ of raw data and pretend that is complying.
They are also very arrogant. Musk has been programming and running tech companies his entire career. I wonder how fast he will have a team on this data?
I do hold one caveat. If they only give access to live or new data, then it is possible that they have already arranged for the bots to be silent during the time musk has access.
M&A generally doesn’t work like that. A raw data dump would be bad faith on Twitter’s part and ammo for Musk and team to win another round or two.
Side note, I would LOVE to be part of his war room / strategy team!
This is a world of scarce resources. Chief among these is time; especially sentient time. It is hard to know which battle is the worthiest expenditure of effort.
They knew they were gonna eventually have to cough up the data one way or another, whether it be to Musk or in discovery during one of the many potential lawsuits they were looking at. So I think they decided that it was safer to give it to Elon NOW, so they can try to come to some kind of agreement with him. An agreement where he announces the true percentage of bots and fake accounts… but does NOT announce the specific makeup of those accounts. In other words, Elon will promise that when he announces there were actually 40% fake accounts, he will NOT announce that 90% of those accounts were on ONE side of the political spectrum. And we all know what side that would be.
My guess is it took that long to fudge the numbers…
“The data stream has been available for years to some two dozen companies”
If that is true then there is no legitimate reason why they would resist Musk’s request for the data. Something still seems very fishy.
They had enough time to clean up what they wanted cleaned up.
Sundance, I thought you were resting.
Are you a bot?
No you are not.
I feel better now, knowing you are well enough but hoping you won’t overdo . . . that wouldn’t do.
Glad to see news on the continuing Elon Musk/Twitter saga.
There is a little known fact about Tesla, Tesla is not a car company it is a data company that makes cars to collect data. Tesla processes more data in a day than twitter makes in a month….
processing and analysis of twitter data would be simple compared to making cars autonomous.
I’d be cool if Musk’s investigative team included Dorsey.
Trust, but VERIFY!
I’m guessing Twitter’s in house legal team told the board they were in a no win situation.
“according to a person familiar with the company’s thinking, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe the state of negotiations.”
code for made up stuff
So, it’s taken a while, but the folks at twitter have finally scrubbed the disks (with a cloth?) and are ready to let Musk look at the new and improved numbers?
Anytime a business is acquired access to their proprietary data and finances are granted. A scrupulous buyer needs to be very cautious and completely audit their books and their product including programming source code before they sign on the dotted line to complete the acquisition.
I’ve witnessed this process, it’s involved with IT and Legal and typically a 3rd party hosts a SCIF, Sensitive, Compartmented Information Facility where the company being acquired lays out all their confidential and proprietary information. Non-Disclosure agreements are signed.
I would say that Musk making these public statements is detrimental but he seems to be walking the razors edge and not technically breaking laws, etc. At the same time, it would be fraud if it turns out Twitter has been lying about their actual user base.
“Twitter reverses position, will allow Elon Musk access to background data”…
now that they’ve had plenty of time to manipulate the background data into something less egregious.
I love that pic! LOL
Me Too ! Love the Picture !
When you stop and think about Enon’s Twitter feud over bots and what not.
The scale is such that, “Everything needs to be called into question about MSM journalism.”
That is for any given article in the MSM, “Just how much of the posted commentary an ego trip that has been bought and paid for to evaluate the scope/activism of the op-ed reality of the article.
Stop and think about it for moment. The MSM publishes an article.
The bots then fall into place of support, thus elevating an author in terms of false support.
Then colleagues of the author reverberate this social media support base to reaffirming the original op-ed from this so call matrix of social media of commentary.
To identify my point in absurd terms.
Social media writes an op-ed, “The sky is green.”
This generates about a three thousand social media commentary responses.
To which, the self interest of the publishing entity takes the position, “Just what can be extrapolatd for this commentary as a measure society.
While, conveniently ignoring the fact that maybe up 40% of the provided commentary is being paid for to stroke the Ego of the author.
That is the affirmation of the social media narratives.
That is the reality of the MSM echo-chamber.
I personally identified this issue nearly twenty plus years ago in a geocities forum.
That is very illustrative of the issue.
So much so, one could say my source geocities commentary is the originating observation that bots have an usefulness.
That is I wrote one of the first social media observation that bots to catalog social media posts into a data base with an expressed assumption that my algorithm criteria was limited program wise to my ability to DIFFERENT as to ISP sources.
Don’t believe.
Then that is your own ability of short comings to acknowledge.
My point is, my geocities code could very easily be extrapolated to documenting these isp data points of source of originating sources appearing to dispersive but in fact originate from a signal source, that is bots.
Mind you that is nearly thirty years ago.
I am the real deal.
DFWM
Don’t believe, than file a FOIA towards me(publius36, mtkorz36 and mtk on my complete social media presence of the years.
Specially in terms of SMA towards geocities posts where I wrote extensively about this very subject.
That is over the nearly last thirty years.
That is since 1993.
That is how long I have been involved in calling out this duplicity.
“I think most people agree, the request from Elon Musk to see the background data from Twitter, used to evaluate bots and fake accounts, was entirely reasonable.”
If Twitter was required to report those numbers to the SEC, then it was not only reasonable, but necessary.
Musk would have been foolish not to insist on them.
Musk is more interested in ascertaining that he can make a viable revenue stream after he buys this ugly baby.
Yeah, maybe he is interested in free speech, maybe not, but this is a business deal in the end and he needs to recover his ROI. If the number of bots limit the potential for future revenue, and he believes he is unable to convert bots to real followers/users, then he may still bow out of the deal.
Then again, he may be looking for a way to get out of this deal after he’s seen how ugly the baby actually is, and he may have just found his exit strategy. He’s not doing this himself, he has consultants and accounting experts guiding him along the way.
I laugh at all these people naively thinking Elon is red pilled.
The guy is manufacturing robots to take over our jobs,
From the “sorry, dining room closed, there are no workers” to the perpetual “mechanic needed, apply within,” and “please be patient with us, we are working hard to serve you, but are short staffed and wait times have increased,” the robots are not taking anybody’s job. They are filling jobs people are too lazy or drugged or drunk to be arsed to fill.
Edit: I’d rather see a Musk robot filling these positions than an illegal alien.
They’ve manipulated the data. Their initial reluctance was just a stall measure.
If only Elon could get his hands on that amazing tech that allowed Peter Strzok to identify duplicates in Hillary Clinton’s 700,000 emails in a few hours over pizza….
If Twitter board fails to provide requested data in a meaningful usable form — and the fire hose ain’t it — Musk can back out of the deal for cause. The financial loss to shareholders will then put in motion huge lawsuits against Twitter than will destroy the company. Musk has some potent ammunition here for leverage.
Am I the only one that thinks Twitter needed a few weeks to clean things up before saying “ok, you can have access”?
But what have they done to the data to make them reverse their position?
Why do I think that they have taken ‘weeks long’ to approve this process, so that they could manipulate the data? Sounds rather similar to the ‘election’ analysis in Arizona, where loads of info was manipulated or deleted, before the audit could take place. IMHO.