Every time the U.S. government attempts to clarify the biolabs in Ukraine, they end up making things less clear.
In the most recent example, Deborah Rosenbaum, the assistant secretary of defense for nuclear, chemical, and biological defense programs, told the House subcommittee on Intelligence and Special Operations on Friday that “I can say to you unequivocally there are no offensive biologic weapons in the Ukraine laboratories that the United States has been involved with.”
In a fact sheet produced March 11, 2022, the U.S. Defense Department admitted to working with biological weapons facilities in Ukraine [LINK]. “The United States … has invested approximately $200 million in Ukraine since 2005, supporting 46 Ukrainian laboratories, health facilities, and diagnostic sites.”
As the current story is told the U.S. government was coordinating with the Ukraine government on biologic research facilities, many of which were left over from the former Soviet era. In/around the time the Russian invasion was feared, they worked quickly to destroy the pathogens, because they were worried what might happen if the Russians took control of the facilities.
This begs the obvious first question, if the U.S. Defense Department was working with Ukraine since 2005, and they could destroy the deadly pathogens in a few days before the conflict, why didn’t the Pentagon destroy them in the preceding 16 years?
The second question targets the issues that are more opaque. The DoD says the U.S. has not been involved in “offensive biological weapon” creation in Ukraine. Technically, all of the weapons in the U.S. military are classified as “defensive” weapons, ergo the Department of Defense. Every weapon is defensive until it is used; then, depending on the circumstances, the use of the weapon changes its classification to offensive. Why would biological weapons be any different?
By the current standard of Defense Department definitions, all of the biological weapons they might be working with Ukraine to develop would technically be classified defensive weapons. As a result, saying “there are no offensive biologic weapons” is a rather moot and irrelevant point.
Three points:
♦ Point One – Russia and the U.S. Pentagon both agree the U.S. government was working in Ukraine in biological weapons labs.
♦ Point Two – Both Russia and the U.S. admit these were/are deadly biological pathogens.
♦ Point Three – The biggest difference between the two positions is that Russia says these were offensive weapons, and the U.S/Ukraine saying these were defensive weapons.
The debate is not about whether the U.S. Defense Department was operating and funding biological weapons laboratories in Ukraine. The U.S. government has now made that admission. The debate is now about the purpose or intent of those weapons.
If Russia was investing in biological weapons labs in Mexico, and if the Russian military was working inside those labs along with Mexican government officials, I suspect the United States would conduct a special military operation in Mexico to remove that threat.
Monday: There were never any biological weapon labs in Ukraine. That is a right-wing conspiracy theory.
Tuesday: There might have been biological weapon labs in Ukraine once, but they are non-functional.
Wednesday: The active biological weapon labs in Ukraine are defensive in nature. They never conducted offensive research. That is a right-wing conspiracy theory.
Thursday: The active defensive biological labs in Ukraine performed offensive research once, but those programs were discontinued long ago.
Friday: The active defensive biological labs in Ukraine also perform a small amount of offensive research, but such programs represent only a fraction of the labs’ work. They never studied coronovirus samples. That is a right-wing conspiracy theory.
Saturday: The defensive biological labs in Ukraine which also perform a small amount of offensive research briefly studied coronovirus samples a very long time ago, but all such programs ended and all samples were destroyed.
Sunday: The defensive biological labs in Ukraine which also perform a small amount of offensive research and briefly studied coronovirus samples a very long time ago have never worked with the Wuhan Institute of Virology. That is a right-wing conspiracy theory.
You pretty much nailed it. Next Monday will be the day when “have never worked with Wuhan” turns into “had a brief contact with Wuhan unrelated to anything” and by the end of the next week it will be established that they coordinated their research and routinely shared specimens with Wuhan.
“These are not the biolabs you are looking for.”
They could have asked …
“Tell me the number of offensive bioweapons labs and tell me the number of defensive bioweapons labs you are funding in Ukraine.”
Are there instances where defensive bioweapons research can be repurposed or dual-purposed as offensive bioweapons?
Basically, the Pentagon is “SPLITTING HAIRS” and trying to cover-up EXACTLY what they were doing there…
Guess they are going to find out what the Geneva Convention is about concerning “BIO WEAPONS”!!!!!!
“Geneva Convention” has about as much pull as the United States Constitution…
Indeed, what is a defensive bioweapon?
Anthrax that you use to develop waxxines for. The same US military strain deployed in DC to stoke up war fear ala Reichstag, over Iraq.
“tell me the number of bioweapons labs (defensive or offensive) you are funding in the world“
I have read over 40 in Ukraine, but over 330 world wide! They do it all over there cause if they did it here they’d have a hard time explaining it. Over there they can play word games.
😶🌫️🤣
“and by the end of the next week it will be established that they coordinated their research and routinely shared specimens with Wuhan.”
Or something like… “The biolabs in Ukraine never shared specimens with Wuhan, they were working closely with the biolabs in Taiwan.”
Wait… what, you have secret biolabs in Taiwan, that are also “Researching” especially dangerous pathogens?
Wash Rinse Repeat…
“We do not have biological weapons facilities in Taiwan”…
We unfortunately acidently send specimens and our findings to other labs in other countries.
I wish they’d come out and just say OK we did it, we did everything!
“Oooh I need your lab, babe, Eight Days a Week!”
“I never had sex in that lab with that woman.”
Yes, but did you have congress with said whore, I mean horror?
^^^^^^😆
The difference between ‘conspiracy theory’ and fact these days is 48 hrs
Soon to be down to 24 hours and counting.
20 minutes until the HVM WMDs hit. Your phone tells you to take cover and find shelter.
The truth in Ukraine will come out APril 8th to 30th. It’s like a movie, a Act 2 Climax.
will be it end of 17 months looooooooong movie ????? I am tired of this daily crap…
Instead of calling them “Conspiracy Theories” we should start calling them “Spoiler Alerts.”
Yesterday’s conspiracy theory is tomorrow’s breaking news.
In other words, we have always been at war with East Asia.
Sunday talking heads: “What difference at this point does it make?”
Just stay tuned for the next episode.Never a dull moment
Time for Websters to change the definition of “bio weapon”.
Don’t misgender my pathogens!!
You can’t make this stuff up. They do THIS on every conspiracy theory! Which in the end always ends up being not a conspiracy but TRUTH!
Lies Lies And MORE Lies!!
Give em lies, lies, bitter big lies.
Where is everything from the labs right now, in this moment? Computers, papers, vials etc. Where and what has been moved to what locations? Are inspectors allowed in to any lab that is still left that the Russians didn’t blow? Where and who are the employees that worked at these non offensive labs? Any of them still alive?
Maybe I have my gummint agencies messed up, but wasn’t this nuclear, bio, chemical agency the one that hired the tranny that likes to pretend to be a dog, or something?
Can’t something break so we can be free of the corruption of these people?
Probably shoved in a diplomatic bag and flown out on a US jet.
Russia took over Kharkiv laboratory and obtained most of the goodies. This is why they moved an armored column towards Kiev, because Kharkiv was on the way and threatening Kiev checkmate would cause Kiev to not reinforce the attacks against Donbass civilians. It also allowed Crimea’s offensive to work with little resistance.
The other labs in Odessa, were purified and purged, when they got word that Russia was serious about moving in. There were stories of Russian paratroopers landing in south of Kiev. Why? Trying to secure laboratories.
Where are you getting this information?
I also did hear heads of labs been brutally killed…..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dugway_Proving_Ground
“In March 1968, 6,249 sheep died in Skull Valley [Utah], an area nearly thirty miles from Dugway’s testing sites. When examined, the sheep were found to have been poisoned by an organophosphate chemical. The sickening of the sheep, known as the Dugway sheep incident, coincided with several open-air tests of the nerve agent VX at Dugway. Local attention focused on the Army, which initially denied that VX had caused the deaths, instead blaming the local use of organophosphate pesticides on crops.
Necropsies conducted on the dead sheep later definitively identified the presence of VX. The Army never admitted liability, but did pay the ranchers for their losses. On the official record, the claim was for 4,372 “disabled” sheep, of which about 2,150 were either killed outright by the VX exposure or were so critically injured that they needed to be euthanized on-site by veterinarians.
Activities included aerial nerve agent testing. According to reports from New Scientist, Dugway was still producing quantities of anthrax spores as late as 2015, more than four decades after the United States renounced biological weapons, and shipping the material to military bases and military contractors around the globe. There were at least 1,100 other chemical tests at Dugway during the time period of the Dugway sheep incident. In total, almost 500,000 lb (230,000 kg) of nerve agent were dispersed during open-air tests. There were also tests at Dugway involving other weapons of mass destruction, including 328 open-air tests of biological weapons, 74 dirty bomb tests, and eight furnace heatings of nuclear material under open-air conditions.”
BTW, I was there myself from June, 1967 to December, 1968.
Thanks for this information, OCN. You go to work for the military -draft, enlistment or OCS -serve your time, and decades later gain perspective on what the Hell our military is doing!
Wait until you read Operation Paperclip’s details. Then you will realize where the 4th Reich is HQed now.
June, 1967 to December, 1967. 6 months, not 18 months (as a civilian then). I was gone 3 months before they killed all those sheep and just managed to miss Salt Lake City.
December, 1968, I was in uniform at Ft. Sill, Oklahoma.
Persian Gulf Syndrome from illegally altered DOD issued ‘vaccines’ which killed many US & UK soldiers to protect them from Anthrax
Illegal vaccine link to Gulf war syndrome
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2001/jul/30/internationalnews
Salt Lake City is downwind from Dugway, which is at the end of the bombing range, and downwind from the Nevada atomic test sites. Anomalous high incidence of thyroid problems in the female population in northern Utah from fallout during the above ground testing era.
I worked with a couple of people that lived downwind of Dugway (down winders). They had some scary stories about that place.
Sounds allot like what the writer of the book (and movie) The Plague Dogs was warning about. It’s a great animated movie.
Is Deborah Rosenblum not actually a man or am I seeing things? When I put my fingers over the earrings, I see a man complete with shaved moustache area. Anyone else?
Now that you mention it. Looks like Pence w/glasses.
Each ear appears to have some sort of testicle. Symmetrical though disturbingly dangling from either side of the head.
She must have taken off her asshat. That would make the perfect accessory.
Rachel (Richard) Levine Worked ‘Her’ Balls Off To Become One Of USA Today’s Women Of The Year
https://www.redvoicemedia.com/2022/03/rachel-richard-levine-worked-her-balls-off-to-become-one-of-usa-todays-women-of-the-year/
I was going to ask if she was a he, she, or it.
Could’ve been Doug Rosenblum last Tuesday in this administration.
Fauci’s got a new gig
You’re not seeing things Chooseamerica. I put a P.S. at the end of my comment addressed to Debbie that says:
“I won’t, but some people may take you more seriously if you didn’t look like a 65 year old man.”
I didn’t notice the shaved moustache area though.
The entire FJB “administration” is nothing more than a collection of freaks, weirdos, misfits, and losers.
These hybrids know they can all get jobs with Joe.
I’m not clear on what a defensive biological weapon is.
Pretentious and manipulative and deceitful, always jumping around with their words. Mealy-mouthed and evasive, only telling a bit of the truth when, finally, they have no other option.
Same as a defensive nuclear weapon.
“I’m not clear on what a defensive biological weapon is.”
I may be a little late to the party and missed something, but I think it’s kinda like an Offensive Tackle in football.
The rules state Offensive players aren’t allowed to tackle, yet they’re called Offensive Tackles.
The WMD bio weapon treaties the US is in, requires the USA to have defensive weaponized strains only. Meaning, designed to provide waxxines/defenses against bio weapons.
However… how is that different from cultivating bio weapons? Would you not require a defense or waxxine for a weapon before you release it?
But they would never release a biological weapon on us would they? Like Corona 2020?
Why don’t they just have people inject themselves with the binary biotoxin and call it a waxxine? It does the same thing.
Yes. Also the U.S. Military has no offensive nuclear weapons. They are all for the purpose of defense.
“…the U.S. Military has
nooffensivenuclear weapons. They are all for the purpose ofdefensepreemptive, retaliatory, or escalatory actions as current doctrine and foreign policy dictates. ”Seems more accurate to me.
Russia accuses US President Joe Biden’s son of financing military-bio research in Ukraine (republicworld.com)
Hunter Biden played role in funding US bio- labs contractor in Ukraine: e-mails (nypost.com)
There’s a whole lot of there there. It’s why our corrupt government from Obama to McCain were in Ukraine and deeply involved in their country.
More too the point — biological weapons — what is the intention ?
Stepping down the path of biological warfare ?
If that path is chosen by any country it’s bye bye time.
The rest of the world would make that country is glass, no matter which country it was.
Having a bomb is one thing, but using it another!
Corona is a bio weapon. So are the waxxines.
The (US)Military Has Repeatedly Conducted Dangerous Biowarfare Experiments On Americans
https://www.technocracy.news/military-repeatedly-conducted-dangerous-biowarfare-experiments-americans/
Book – The killing winds
The Pentagon Bio-weapons
https://dilyana.bg/the-pentagon-bio-weapons/
Another book — important history of the Soviet and post-Soviet era: BIOHAZARD by Ken Alibek.
Fantastic book. Well worth reading. Will also make your hair stand on end.
I wonder if the author would say the same about informed consent now.
They are liars and deceivers. I don’t believe one word they say.
Monsters, they can’t be human. They truly believe that it’s up to them to push the envelope to evils unimaginable , all for the con
that they are protecting us from such evil with deterrence. Such slippery bastards.
“Why would biological weapons be any different?”
Well, in their minds, they might not be offensive until they are produced into munitions. Then one can debate what constitutes a munition. And at what number that might change from defensive to offensive.
Regardless of their word games, I find the idea of them funding so many bio-labs in Ukraine or any other foreign country to be pretty damn offensive.
Zelensky asked for military drones with aerosol capabilities.
“Why would biological weapons be any different?”
To further delve into their attempt to be offensive with their word games, is it possible to produce a defensive Ebola bio-weapon?
At what point would COVID change from defensive to offensive? Do contracts and large payments have to be made first?
Sundance said, “The debate is now about the purpose or intent of those weapons.”
I read it differently.
“The statement says that there ARE no offensive biological weapons in the Ukraine lab.”
She did not say there WERE no offensive biological weapons, she said there ARE no offensive bio weapons in the Ukraine lab
I believe she means there ARE not any offensive bio weapons there NOW, because they took them out already.
Which begs the next question, if they are not in the Ukraine labs NOW, where did they move them to?
Here is her quote:
“ I can say to you unequivocally there are no offensive biologic weapons in the Ukraine laboratories that the United States has been involved with.”
Who and how exported Bulgarian weapons to Ukraine: documents
https://dilyana.bg/who-and-how-exported-bulgarian-weapons-to-ukraine-documents/
Because these weren’t “Ukrainian” labs. They were “American” labs which happened to be in the Ukraine.
They could also be playing word games with “United States” and “contractors”.
Did 1, just One, Congress-thing ask the DOD the same questions that Sundance does? The answer of course is obvious.
If anybody wants comprehensive reference material on bio- weapons search for “Ken Alibek” that’s his American name.
First director of “Bioreparat”, Russian chemical and biological warfare division.
Defected to America early 90s, after spending from 75 to 91 in research ending up lieutenant or top dog.
His writings I would recommend highly, not for the faint hearted but great insight both sides of the biological weapons coin.
His biography is the best starting point.
I’m just finishing Biohazard and boy you’re right in saying it’s not for the faint hearted!
Amazing that no one in the media interviews Alibek on this Ukraine mess.
The stuff those guys invented scares the whiz out of me. What amazes me is that none of the diseases they developed would stop at a country’s borders and they didn’t seem concerned even though some of the pathogens they developed had no antidote. When workers were accidentally exposed, they died. Despite everything doctors could do, the pathogens were fatal.
Yep, I couldn’t get that book out of my head for years, went on to read more subject matter, scary stuff, even the fact that the book was allowed to be released leads one to believe that this is the tip of the iceberg !
Glad you’ve read it , I’ve posted this information here several times going back years and your the first response I’ve had on the subject matter.
Double cheers to ya Pyrran.
The weird part is, I heard something about Alibek coming to work for the US years ago, then this Ukraine biolab story came out and I thought if there is anyone who could figure out what the government was doing in Ukraine, it’s Ken Alibek. Then I found his book on Amazon and started reading it. Another book worth reading is “A Higher Form of Killing: The Secret History of Biological and Chemical Warfare” by Robert Harris.
Ken Alibek came from Kazakhstan.
Just a curious data point.
Sharyl Attkisson: US Military Experiments On Humans “Left Hundreds Of People… Infected With Disease”
https://thewashingtonstandard.com/sharyl-attkisson-us-military-experiments-on-humans-left-hundreds-of-people-infected-with-disease/
Us govt:
We are not creating biological “weapons”.
We are creating biological/chemical “viruses”.
Exactly William.
Is Ukraine Destroying Evidence of US-Funded Bioweapons Program?
https://thewashingtonstandard.com/is-ukraine-destroying-evidence-of-us-funded-bioweapons-program/
Herr Doktor Franken-Fauci moved his illegal Gain-of-Function mad science offshore to Wuhan, and had his Virus built there. I suspect these Ukrainian labs were similarly “offshore”.
But because we’re a fair-minded people, we also let lots of Chinese spies work at our weapons labs here. And not just bio-weapons–ALL weapons labs. Research universities, too.
The word “treason” doesn’t really do it justice anymore.
Also the work on ethnic based weapons.
You mean the DNA-swab stuff that Collins assisted to build targeted viruses?
It is what all the PCR tests are for, to collect DNA. They need to figure out why the kill rate never approached 15% for 2020 as they intended.
Maybe the wrong strain did get out in fall of 2019 and they didn’t get a handle on that fact, and the more infectious but less lethal strain was present ahead of the Chinese passenger who got off the plane to the West Coast the same day that Namcy Pelosi belatedly delivered the Articles of Impeachment to the Senate?
We know now that a coronavirus strain had been circulating in the US, undetected, since November 2019.
The Chinese did not start their people falling dead propaganda until December to January.
That might explain why Fauci, in his emails with Christian Anderson in February 2020, did not know what it was exactly. They knew it was bioengineered, they had to know it had something to do with their activities in Wuhan, but they didn’t understand the strain that was out.
Maybe versions 1 through 18 were supposed to be used, but somehow went offline?
CDC, Pentagon Biologic Laboratories, etc. mentioned here.
Soros involved again, when is someone going to take a ‘hit’ out on the Barstad !
I’ve been surprised there hasn’t been more protests and discussion of the fascist Council On Foreign Relations which the John Birch Society has been warning about for decades. Soros was a director there for years. They are a bunch of war criminals and traitors
Well you know our media won’t be doing any investigating. They’re too busy trying to prop up Zelensky.
The US/NATO “nazis” are not picking on little Serbia this time.
The Daily Mail went hard on the war prn, Day 1 of war in February. Now they want to report banned Russian sources? Lol. What is this, damage control or limited hangout?
Don’t get sucked into the chemical biological weapons vortex.
Biological weapons are living organisms with a very short shelf life, delivery systems coupled with life span make for lots of problems.
Chemical weapons can be made, stored and collected, in delivery systems.
The two cannot be mixed in the same manner roundup kills weeds !
There are some biologicals that have”shelf” life. Not indefinite but properly stored, a long shelf life.
Bio-weapon labs ?
Or
Trans-Humanism labs ?
Naturally, unimaginable evil.
If they were created for defense…
Would not that suggest there was an “Offense” to practice on?
The Pentagon should also announce that we have no offensive nuclear weapons.
Same standard, different weapon. Rosenblum, if you think we can’t see right through your phony explanation, you’re an even bigger moron than I thought you were. I’m reading Ken Alibek’s book Biohazard right now. Alibek was the head of Biopreparat and they covered up their creation of vaccine resistant biological weapons by claiming they were only studying pathogens, not creating them. Rosenblum sounds like she’s trying the USSR’s excuse. And by the way dear Deborah, that baloney excuse didn’t help the Russians either.
Read my above comment, I first read Bioreparat when it came out, when you finish, Alibek done some really informative speeches and testimonys.
Also writting more books fascinating stuff, who knows what they have now !
Call out to Xi and Vlad….send us stingers. It’s time we do it but doesn’t mean we will not accept help.
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Of course. It’s the Department of DEfense, not the Department of OFfense. We have only defensive weapons… defensive F-15s, defensive bombers, defensive Apaches, defensive tanks, defensive flame throwers, defensive rocket launchers, defensive M4 carbines, defensive Strikers, defensive LRSRs and other small firearms of multifarious kinds…
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“I can say to you unequivocally there are no offensive biologic weapons in the Ukraine laboratories that the United States has been involved with.”
Oh… wait… stupid me… Define “United States”…
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Wait… no… (head smack)…
Define “involved with”…
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They send money…
They expect a return…
They are “Involved”
I DON’T BELIEVE ONE FREAKING WORD THAT ANY LEFTIST/DEMOCRAT HAS TO SAY ABOUT ANYTHING !
EVER !
Canadian lab in Winnipeg sent nasty bugs to Wuhan from their ‘ Special Pathogens Program ‘
Public health agency head was formally rebuked for not giving up unredacted documents on the matter
the-scientist.com June 23 , 2021
Formally rebuked? Oh NO! The horror!
Seems to me, the only way biological weopons could be said to be “defensive” is the exact same way Nukes could be said to be “defensive” i.e “We have them for DETERENCE.
The idea is, if our opponent knows WE have them, they won’t use them on US, because they would know we would retaliate.
Problem with that is, even Nukes, as horrific as they are, can be targeted, and the primary effects limited to a specufic area.
Biologic weopons, BY THEIR NATURE, are “Doomsday weopons”; as we have seen with Covid, once released, they will inevitably spread far beyond the “target area” and infect all of humanity.
So, yes the question is, WHY didn’t they destroy these pathogens in 2005?
It’s too bad no one on the committee asked the obvious question; “Ms Rosenblum was the United States working on DEFENSIVE bio-weapons in Ukraine?”
This would be a good story for Tucker Carlson to follow-up on. He should ask Ms Rosenblum that question.
The article says Rosenbaum, but the photo says Rosenblum. Easy mistake to make, I suppose.
“Alex, I’ll take Pentagon bullsh** for $1,000.”
This is offensive.
Germs dont care about intent, they just infect.
Come on man we are the good guys . When we bomb drone strike they deserve it like chemical and bio weapons ours are for the common good but theirs are crimes against humanity .
This is from a totally redacted true statement released !
Remember the United States Government never lies especially in court 🤪
All depends on what the meaning of “offensive” is…
I suppose you could classify a weapon that doesn’t harm anyone but you as an “only defensive weapon”……
When this same government comes for your guns, tell them you have no “offensive” guns in your possession. See if they accept that answer.
When they start using speech that is precisely defined, it gives away they attempting to cover something up.
‘No offensive biological weapons’? That implies there were biological weapons at our facilities, but they were for ‘defensive’ purposes only.
The whole thing stinks.
Doublespeak for that’s what they’re there for.
My lefty friends pooh pooh this whole thing as another right wing conspiracy theory.
Do they walk around with their fingers in their ears singing “LALALALA.?”
I know the type.
Unoffensive biologic weopons will turn offensive sooner or later.
These Biden womyn have to be THE weirdest looking and worst dressed in history. What’s with the clown suit and ear danglers?
Spin, any defensive weapon can be turned into an offensive weapon. He did not say not there are no biological weapons, he said there are no OFFENSIVE biological weapons.
Point 4
US has not explained the need or expense and money path of these bio labs.
Hunter Biden again? Really!
Possible husband: Todd M. Rosenblum (Same addresses)
Interesting resume 🤔
https://nationalsecurityoutcomes.wordpress.com/about/
Among those of us who have bothered to become educated about biological pathogens over the past,
say two plus years, the vile intentions of the US Government to fund over seas efforts at development, with our tax payer money, has now been established in two countries, communist China and autocratic Ukraine.
I am far from alone in wanting a clear explanation from the parcel tongues as to how any of this benefits us who are paying for this program of misadventure deceit.
“…unequivocally there are no offensive biologic …”
Is not the same as
“…unequivocally there were no offensive biologic …”
OK I’m being pedantic, but words matter, especially when the evidence has been destroyed or removed.