President Trump gave an interview to Candace Owens for The Daily Wire. The full interview is only available for subscribers [link]; however, there is a segment released by Mrs. Owens where Donald Trump talks about the specifics of his position on the vaccine and the mandates.
President Trump supports the three vaccines that were developed during his administration, and is proud of the system he put into place to develop them and get them available to the public. However, President Trump does not support mandating the vaccine or forced vaccination for anyone, and believes that people should have the freedom to decide what is in their individual best interests. WATCH:
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At approximately 05:10 of the interview, President Trump notes the specific issue of a government mandated vaccine developed by a private corporation, and the risk of corruption and conflicted interests involved. President Trump accepts that reasonable people would be skeptical of the vaccine itself and would have personal reasons not to participate.
Toward the very end of the interview Trump states he is proud of the accomplishment and will not “give up” on his belief of the vaccine development as a success during his administration. However, he sees the forced mandate as very detrimental to the economy and views the consequences of the mandate itself as a problem for national security.
Given the range of opinions on the issue of the vaccines overall, and the mandate specifically, President Trump’s position seems quite pragmatic and reasonable. He’s proud to have developed the vaccines, believes they are of benefit, but strongly respects individual choice, liberty and the freedom to decide for yourself and your family. I don’t see anything controversial in this position.
No, sorry, but being opposed to mandates or forced use of (non) vaccines is not good enough.
It doesn’t get Trump off the Thalidomide 2.0 hook.
It’s simple. 70 years of clear warnings by scientists: never mass use a non-sterilizing inoculation in the middle of a pandemic.
Now if Omicron could be shown, like Delta, to be the product of immune escape driven by leaky quackzines, then Trump may get off the hook.
But it wasn’t, so he isn’t.
Delta came from a failed mass “vaccination” attempt in India. Omicron doesn’t fit in genomic map of the virus in the wild.
But delightfully, Omicron is not working as planned. It’s becoming the dominant strain and failing to kill children. Even worse for the plandemic crew, it’s more a risk for the jabbed than the unjabbed. The crew appear to have blown up their own “good crisis”.
WHO???
WHO will ban the covid vaccine and then get elected???
What part of personal responsibility and no mandates do you not understand?
criticizing Trump is not good enough.
Who is better?
Please , enlighten us.
“ Who is better?”
An honest and contrite Trump is better than a stubborn and disingenuous Trump.
I recommend a reading of the Great Barrington Declaration and it’s strategy of “focused”protection that enables the eventual thwarting of Covid in populations. It’s too eschews mandates like our real President argues against.
Dear President Trump,
Please STOP with how great the vaccines are. They were rushed. They’ve killed people.
I love you man. I want you to be President again and bring our jobs home, get us back to Energy independence, and enforce Law and Order. But, I’m sick to death of the vaccine crap. It’s a lousy vaccine and has caused serious injury to too many people.
Thank you,
Middle America
I DO NOT SUPPORT PRESIDENT TRUMP ON THE VAX AT ALL
WHO IS GIVING HIM HIS INFORMATION
KILLER SHOT
This is a no-win scenario for 45. I haven’t seen one comment that refers to the head of his Covid Task Team as being at all responsible for the direction of even from Jan 2019 forward. Remember Pense? He would have had enormous influence in who was recommended on that team, starting with Foochi and scarf lady.
Like many things 45 MADE THE BEST DECISION BASED ON THE INFORMATION HE HAD AT THE TIME HE MADE IT.
Through my life this is the sentence I have reminded myself of when things didn’t turn out. I’m retired and can look back at decisions I made which created forks in my road. There were some bad ones, but I made the best decision based on the information I had THEN — NOT NOW .
Did any comment say: I didn’t think we should NOT have that vax?
Take away all the hoopla, the emotional responses due to harm caused, and my perspective;
45 worked in a swamp which had tentacles extended into pharma (biggest lobbyists by3xs), wall street, tech, etc.
Every person in DC or connected to gubmint is sold out. It’s just a matter of to what extent.
At best 45 had a mere dozen people who weren’t and most he brought with him.
With CV, lockdowns, great reset…..we know a lot more and we are mad. Who is being blamed? Trump.
He made the best decision based on the information he had at the time he made it. ….Based on the information Pense gave him and others.
He was never going to win this war. Never.
The vax helped some but it has been at a high cost. How does one measure that when some live and others dies?
45 made the right decision to push for a vax. Evil people took that decision and made something evil out of it and still are. 45 isn’t responsible for evil in the world of politics. He made the right decision for the sake of saving lives and evil people used his goodness and compassion against him to further their evilness. He couldn’t win this one. One person couldn’t defeat the pure evil he was surrounded with and the pure evil constituting the applicable arenas – health, great reset, etc.
45 couldn’t win this. He made the best decision based on the information he had at the time he made it. Plus, there is no end to their evilness. This will continue to play out. He will be blamed. Will evil win? I will continue to hope for a good person who will make the best decisions possible which are in the best interest of this war torn country. What other chose is there?
45 is not our savior; he was our general making the best decisions FOR US with the information he had at the time. What more could we truly expect given the evil people he HAD to work with. That’s the government we the people created.
Amen
“ That’s the government we the people created.”
We the people did not create the Deep State and many would end it if we could. Trump was the point man on this project and allowed himself to get diverted by the covid cooties.
That he won’t acknowledge his mistake suggests he would make the same bad choice if the opportunity presented itself.
We the people created the deep state over decades and decades of putting unscrupulous people in office who then sold out to lobbyists. they had free rein to create the DS. Rot starts at the top and trickles down permeating layer after layer for decades until we have today’s rotten agencies, departments, ICs, etc. We The People did this. Those people didn’t just appear out of thin air. And no one person can fix it.
45 had a R House & Senate. Made no difference. He had to do everything (except the trade deals) via EOs. Sellouts. All of them. He did more good for one person with a handful of a few others, but many of his support system — Pence comes to mind as Covid Task Force leader, not to mention 1/6 – undermined him, constantly. We don’t even know to what extent. 45 probably doesn’t either. Worthless, starting with COSs, MM..endless and neverending list of RINOs.
How can one brag about a so called vaccine being safe and effective when there has been more reported adverse reactions and deaths than ALL vaccines COMBINED over the the 30 years?
There is overwhelming evidence that the jab absolutely does not work and has a horrible range of side effects.
President Trump can believe in the jabs and proclaim they have saved lives all he likes — but he is dead wrong.
The is the gyst if Trumps statement on the jab. He follows up by saying its really as choice — but also says just get it.
Ron DeSantis says similar things but in a very different way.
The pushing of the jab and then rollout was the tip of the spear that got us where we are today.
We are fighting tyranny. it would be great if President Trump said no mandates ever.
Then stopped talkingA
But he says I love the jab I developed the jab the jab is awesome really and you should just get the jab (but it’s up to you
).
Those are two different messages.
I concur, only morons would attack TRUMP over this situation- Monday morning QBs with no inside Information or actual understanding of situation we were in-
This could have been or was Key to breaking lockdown that would have permanently destroyed America – imho
NC govt FIRED 18 people yesterday, refused vaxx.
What say you on that Mr POTUS??
SUPPORT employees being FIRED and losing their livelihood???????
WHY wasn’t and isn’t vaxx voluntary???
HOW MANY are vaxxed and coming down with COVID??????
IT IS NOT a vaccine.
I was vaxxed for polio, MMR, measles as a kid….NEVER HAD ANY OF THESE DISEASES!!!!!! WHY would that be…those WERE vaxx’s that WORKED.
COVID IS NOT A VAXX and IT DOES NOT WORK……
It is not diff than the annual flu shot, MAY work and MAY NOT….due to strains….some yrs, better than others. Some yrs, missed boat and no relief from the prevailing strand….
THIS vaxx is BEING USED AS A WEAPON AND TOOL by the US govt…don’t give me any BS Trump…
Whatever you do, don’t blame The illegitimate fraud squatting in the WH for it.
These latest so-called tours with O’Reilly…it’s fundraisers, money making Trump is seeking $$$ daily. I get emails everyday?? WHY???
I get this lost or missed $$$ opportunity as POTUS and gave up salary, but these so-called money deals ongoing now is getting old.
His PAC is renting space at Trump Tower for $37k/month…come on…that’s shady…..He’s done, he’s over…
Come on DeSantis…much smarter; has a staff in govt from Fl. Trump NEVER had a staff and his choices and picks were horrid, abysmal….DeSantis can LEAD from Day 1 with a staff fully vetted and ready to manage and lead the country. DONE a fabulous job in Fl.
Sundance summed this up perfectly. President Trump *must* take a pragmatic approach to this whole plandemic, because the sheeple demand no less of him!
He HAS advocated for early therapeutics like HCQ. He HAS warned us -from day one- about fake news. He HAS said we need to open up our businesses.
Now, he says if you *still* want to volunteer for mRNA gene-editing injections.. have at it..
Right to try. To each his own.
Survival 101: When you see a blind stampede hurtling down your path, you step aside and you let it go by, or else you get trampled to death.
We are completely on our own. How could President Trump trust the same companies that got hundreds of millions of pseudo heroin painkillers into the hands of so many people?
Why does Trump take credit for pushing a fake vaccine (it’s gene therapy, not a vaccine) that is killing 10s if not 100s of THOUSANDS of people?
This is awful, and Candace didn’t press him on the harmful after effects of the jab.
Boasting is his style, but he’s lost me as a supporter now, and I’m not the only one. It’s too big of an issue to ignore given the harm these vaxes have caused.
Same thing Biden said, until elected.
This is not a Vaccine, just let it go.
Ok if you want it get it but let it go.
We also still have Fauci In place, lying constantly about everything.
There are a lot of armchair quarterbacks commenting about how Trump shoulda coulda woulda didda hadda but they fail to recognize Trump was deep in enemy territory with no back up. The McConnell GOP senate refused to go into recess his entire term so he could not fill his ranks without “approved” cabinet members. He was girdled with a fake Russia special council that had very real legal traps. He was faced with a Rino congress at first and a democrat congress the last two years with a senate full of Romneys ready to spring the impeachment trap. And finally he was faced with a statistically contrived and purchased pandemic. Covid is real but not as real as was pushed by hysterical MSM.
If anything we have learned is that Police like to draw their pay and will club innocent citizens when commanded. So will the military. Doctors like their pay so they will go lock step with the tune being piped and hospitals will kill you to get their 39k per “covid” death.
This whole episode has reinforced my distrust of doctors, government, politicians and government.
There are also a lot of obvious trolls too.
Sundance, I agree- Trumps position is the position any American leader should be- even if Trump disagreed with this vaccine.
Did you not watch the interview? Trump is 100% pushing the non-vaccine. He’s taking CREDIT for it! That’s not disagreeing.
This is the one thing that frustrates me about my president Donald Trump..He knows it all..He reas..He is very smart..He knows what is being reported by highly respected docs..He know what the inventor or the vaccine has said about the mRNA..what it does to your body and how long term effects are unknown..and it could be something that is life threatening..How can you support something that even the man who invented says..it should not be used….I am pretty upset with him over this..I understand that he just can’t say don’t use it..when he was all in for creating it..But sometimes you have to say..I was for a vaccine but this is not a vaccone and should not be used..It only covers COVID SARS 2…Anything else it blocks so if you get cancer etc..your immune system will not react..This is serious..I want to be able to ask this president ..Why.?? Why would you support something that very well could cause you..serious issues if not..later in your life.. I am absolutely..not understanding him and others in government except for Rand Paul..saying take it..It is OK..
So you would deny tha vaccine to the millions that wanted it?
Logic is hard…
Think thalidomide.
The only sane voice on this injection is Ron Johnson.
Why is it Trump will not let anyone have a discussion about the VAERS numbers with him? Skirts the issue
That would be a good question to ask the “President” of the current regime.
Send him a letter.
The CTH commentary has become MSNBC – DTS.
Anyone else ever notice the only time DJT loses his audience is when he talks about the clot shots?
Except a lot of the new posters today are not “his audience, never were, and never will be.
Used to be until the vaxx.
I’m glad to see the REAL PRESIDENT clarify this position OPENLY.
SHAME ON THOSE WHO BOOED HIM!
We asked for help when COVID first broke out, and he did everything in his power to expedite the creation of vaccines which, though not perfect, DO reduce the mortality rates among the vaccinated who DO become infected.
It’s OUR CHOICE to vaccinate, or not.
Do you have data (that we can trust) that shows the vaccines are reducing mortality rate? I know many vaccinated who got Regeneron. Thank God some states made it a priority to make available.
So, it’s possible treatments like Regeneron or Ivermectin or Hydroxy are the reason the vaxxed are surviving their bouts with Covid.
Not really sure what numbers are true- but the death toll this year over last- also doesn’t bode well for vaccine effectiveness.
According to many virologists, viruses generally mutate and weaken- so there would be a natural decline in deaths. The numbers don’t make sense- we can’t trust the data. When President Trump uses the fake data, it feels very much like he is gaslighting us.
Bottom line, I tell all I know, vaxxed OR NOT, HAVE A PLAN to get ivermectin, or Regeneron, etc.
I’ve yet to see data that convinces me that the vaccines work. From what little we know about the trials, they took two groups of young healthy people and gave one group the shots. They did some statistical techniques to come up with a 95% reduction in relative risk of severe injury or death. The absolute risk for each group was below .1%, and thus a supposed relative risk reduction of 95% is fairly meaningless in real world conditions, and says nothing about how old and/or sick people will respond. They then got rid of the control group, likely because they knew from prior animal trials on these vaccines that they didn’t work. Initially, we saw cases and deaths swing up and down with seasonality, but then saw further upswings. A vaccine that did what it was supposed to do wouldn’t have had these results. What appears to be happening is that the vaccines have sped up the creation of variants of the virus, and they appear to make vaccinated people more susceptible to these variants. So if anything, the vaccines have been counterproductive. This would likely be over if we’d never introduced these vaccines.
Except the govt is using this ineffective dangerous therapeutic to tyrannize us.
Ha. Said many times before from the time he came down the elevator.
Candace is the best journalist I saw for the past few years.
If I was racist, I would score a high mark for the black race.
As a folower of the Lord Jesus, I rejoice in her magnificent maturity and intelligence.
POTUS 45 is the most courageous President we ever had..
He makes a turning point in world history.
Wonderful interview !!!
Thanks. I agree.
Yes he is.
His enemies are desperately trying to turn this interview into something they can use.
There is a place for this renamed vaccine, that is not really a vaccine. But only if you and your doctor choose that route. There are alternative treatments available and I’ll be damned if I will let a government who I believe cheated to rule will ever persuade me that it’s got my best interest at heart. They are not doctors of anything unless you are talking about counting votes! Leave my life alone!
Candace would make a great choice for VP. She never backs down, very articulate.
Trump can believe in the Loch Ness Monster or Big Foot or whatever he chooses, but that does not make it so and he ought to acknowledge that.
While pragmatic, he should acknowledge 1) he is not a scientist 2) in the history of coronaviruses there has never been an effective vaccine, 3) there is still no data suggestive that the vaccines funded have any lasting positive health effects and that long term data for the vaccines will not exist for years, and 4) an opportunity to save trillions was squandered by a government bureacracy intent on doling out dollars while freezing out readily available genetic drugs that have demonstrated therapeutic effect and would not only have bent the curve, but broken it.
This may be Trump’s legacy unless he changes his mindset.
The first utterance of anything negative he says about his involvement in the vaccine will be placed on continuous loop and weaponize against him. He has no choice but to play the middle on this. I am really surprised at all of the “purists” on here who are talking shit about him. You morons are why we have people like Mitch McCornhole. Trump is our guy for 2024. He has unfinished business. He ain’t perfect, but Jesus is not on the ballot, so he is our guy for now. Best President since George Washington.
Thank you…Thank you. The ones on here bashing Trump should spend their time elsewhere. Best President in my lifetime.
That says more about the state of our country than anything else.
You must have been in a coma. Who fell for EVERY TRAP the Democrats, the Deepstate, the Media, Big Tech, and China set for him?
Trump either deliberately set us up for the transition to permanent Election Theft and VAX annihilation OR he’s the dumbest, most reckless Circus-Clown ever.
Then the SOB lured patriots to DC on Jan and let them rot in NAZI DC Jail for a year, never offered to pay their Attorney’s fees.
Trump Also FIRED GEN. MIKE FLYNN and allowed him to be bankrupted — never offered to pay Flynn’s attorney’s fees or help him recoup his losses.
Trump is Loyal to NO ONE / NOTHING.
He supported McConnell’s re-election.
Is his plan to gradually turn people against him. He will have a nigh impossible chance of convincing any of his supporters that the vaccines were a good idea. Maybe it’s all got to hard, impossible to resolve, so he wants out.
He said he does not support mandates.
Not sure where the problem is.
He may not support mandates but all across the world people are being mandated and losing their jobs, livelihoods, their children being forced to take vaccines. Side effects which include suicide and people not being able to get treatment for other illnesses. It’s all very well saying he doesn’t support mandates but in the real world his talk is irrelevant.
Ummm . . . tell me, exactly WHICH of the issues you list is Trump responsible for?
Oh, that’s right. He’s not responsible for ANY of them.
Trump has a right to an opinion, and it can even differ from yours. Meanwhile, your argument doesn’t hold water!
You’re not listening to it, are you? Not really!
Vaccine is personal choice TRUMP STATES THIS.
Mandates are a NO NO, and TRUMP STATES THIS.
So your problem is what?
The vaccines are KILLING AND MAIMING AND SICKENING people! The data can’t be denied. How can Trump not know this? How can he claim these shots are a great achievement? He is giving justification for mandates, even if he doesn’t support them.
Until it’s not.
Please use critical thinking and unemotional logic when reading this next question.
“What would stop perpetual years long lockdowns destroying capitalism forever, besides a vaccine by choice?”
A) the vaccine by choice
B) people rising up and saying No
Which one is more likely?
Why is the vaccine the only tool?
–> Because Governors HAVE THE RIGHT to declare a State Emergency (not PDJT) and use Constitutional Police Powers to overide the Constitution in ALL FORMS until the emergency is gone..
The vaccine removes the emergency, so the Courts would Rule Against a Governor still claiming Emergency Powers
1) How many people can be killed with dictatorship powers in a Lockdown for years? (EVERYONE OF YOU)
2) How many people can be killed with the vaccine? (by choice, not mandated)? (THOSE FORCED)
3) Which one has the greater number? (DUH LOCKDOWNS AND ABUSE OF EMERGENY POLICE POWERS)
4) This is necessary because we are to domesticated – AND EVERYONE HERE KNOWS IT. there is no RISE UP.
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The virus was to cause ‘perpetual lockdown’ to ‘end capitalism’ and start a ‘Great Reset’
The vaccine ‘ended that Attempt’
There are 2 groups of Americans – Rep Leaning and Dem leaning – ‘PDJT is the President of all Americans’.
Dem leaning were petrified of the virus and ‘WOULD NOT LEAVE HOME’ (the vaccine brought them ‘back to life’)
Hope that helps.
if it doesnt – then I’m not sure whats going on
You are wrong.
The issue of mandates should be moot. If not for operation warp speed, there would be no vaccines to mandate.
If not for warp speed, Trump would have been blamed for 1000’s dead. Trump was only ever interested in saving the susceptible vulnerable. The elderly, the fat who didn’t take care of themselves, and the sick.
360 million dead – due to lockdown and the entire Constitution being IRRELEVANT due to Emergency Powers declared by RINO and LEFTIST Governors that HATE US and this Country.
He would have been and WAS blamed for anything and everything anyway, so why not just do the right thing and ignore the noise from the blamers?!?!
EXCEPT that the DEATH VAX has killed over 800,000 Americans and is not a vaccine — does nothing to prevent covid-flu or to reduce its transmissibility? Try reading something not on CNN/MSNBC’s websites.
How stupid! Vaccines would always be rushed to market, under any regime. The critical issue is the way governments treat their use. END OF STORY!
No. ‘Stupid’ I’m not.
if there wasnt a vaccine you would be escorted to a camp already or starved to death and fighting with your neighbors for survival
HOW QUICK WE FORGET – the running of red lights. the ignoring of road laws. the riots with no police help. The people rushing to get guns. then guns stores being empty or CLOSING.
that was just a few months
BS
I despair when Trump doubles down like this. Does he really not know these vaccines were already developed long before the virus was released from the Wuhan Institute?
I don’t believe that at all. Cite links to any verifiable evidence of that claim.
Half the length of The Real Anthony Fauci by RFK Jr is endnotes, supporting not only this inconvenient fact but others that are even far worse/criminal.
Get the ebook and you can link directly to the interviews, medical research, and investigative reporting, all in one very well-organized place. It’s so well-documented it’s unbelievable that it isn’t common knowledge. Even more astounding, the very people responsible for this global democidal enterprise are the ones who have been proudly talking about it publicly for decades!
Do some reading and research. The truth is out there and it’s not hard to find if you want to know.
And fraudxi’s response is that RFK,jr is “a highly disturbed person”. So why doesn’t fraudxi sue for defamation, libel, etc. you might ask. IMHO, it is because during the discovery phase of the trial, it would be shown that the author is correct.
Moderna Vials with 2015 on them all over the internet. Do some research.
This is long, but on this video Dr David Martin exposes the patent trail starting back in 1999. He has been watching this for years and discovered it by accident: https://www.bitchute.com/video/6CwPxp9kTYWH/?list=notifications&randomize=false
Here is pdf summarizing this trail. You have to read it carefully to absorb what he is saying: https://www.redvoicemedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/2021.11.23-11.42-redvoicemedia-619d7c6689327.pdf
The only thing you need to understand about Dr. Martin is that he believes and proves the virus does not exist.
Not only him, but also such trustworthy and respected researchers (quoted often as sources for posts on CTH) as Reiner Fuellmich, Andy Kaufman, Tom Cowan and David Icke and others.
Once you accept the truth these men offer you can then recognize all the malarkey put out about this non entity called cov2.
Merry Christmas
If you were up to date you would already know this
witout the vaccine your governor would kill you. rightfully and legally through Emergency Police Powers.
the Constitution Protects you. Emergency Powers OVERRIDE IT.
only a Vaccine Stops that Declaration..
Let this Concept CLICK in your mind. Let it in. STOP FIGHTING IT. its relevant.
Watch any number of Dr. David Martin presentations. You have to look on bitchute because you tube censors him.
Read executive order #13,887 signed 19 September 2019. Modernization of Influenza vacs authorizing mRNA technology for vaccines.
And if you delve into the history of Fauci, Gates, Schwab and others you would see that the vaccine was not produced to cure Covid. That was the excuse not the real reason.
so, you don’t believe in ” the right to try” and freedom of choice.
WHO???
Who is your MYSTERY candidate?
Please name at least ONE.
WHO??????
Seriously? I hear InfoWars is looking for contributors…
“ President Trump’s position seems quite pragmatic and reasonable. He’s proud to have developed the vaccines, believes they are of benefit, but strongly respects individual choice, liberty and the freedom to decide for yourself and your family. I don’t see anything controversial in this position.”
With all due respect, Sundance, I caution you to not fall into the trap created by demagoguery.
The ‘vaccine’ is no such thing, it’s an experimental drug test.
Trump was lied to by Faux-chi and gang, but that does not turn him from being manipulated into an absolved hero. Trump would realize that himself if not for his well known ego and penchant for “winning” in public opinion.
If the vax is bad now, it was bad then, too, and Trump should be man enough to admit that he was sucked in to the plans of the OWO crowd. Faux-chi put him in an impossible situation. That should be his position, because Operation Warp Speed merely supported what the Chicoms and Faux had already developed, the spike protein drug that’s been responsible for thousands of needless deaths. Not to mention having the government in bed with Moderna and making money off of pushing this phony vax.
Merry Christmas and may God forgive us.
Concur.
Sorry beentheredonethat! I should have read your comment before posting mine above which basically duplicates your point. And now I can’t seem to delete mine.
“President Trump’s position seems quite pragmatic and reasonable.”
For long as conservatives are content to be “practical” or “pragmatic,” they will be powerless to answer the pressing questions that need to be asked about authority and accountability.
It just WORKS. Who cares why? Except when it doesn’t and then a scapegoat will have to be found.
Historically, this was a Jew.
The most notable example of pragmatism is when Pilate surrenders an innocent man to a murderous crowd to protect his political career.
Until we re-establish the ethical principle of accountability for bad conduct and rewards for good conduct we will keep losing the cultural and political battles of our day.
That may all be true! But the big issue is that if Deep State wants to do you in, or do away with you, or mire you in false legal disputes, there is literally nothing you can do! Yet!!
Our thoughts should be directed toward constitutionally appropriate ways of ‘doing in’ Deep State, instead of blaming its victims for not dismantling it. It is, after all, a completely invisible entity that can surface from anywhere within federal agencies, but must be dealt with, and in ways that preserve the Republic such that it endures and prospers under its present, constitutional form of government.
Yes…I support getting the vaccine if you want it..I despise mandates of any kind…although we already do have them for the MMR/Rubella shots…If you do not vax your child he or she will not be able to get into school.
I am not rigid on it….I believe you should do that which is best for YOUR family.
I miss DJT and hope he give us the opportunity to vote for hm again.
Except that MMR/Rubella shots are true vaccines. The clot shot has never been tested for adverse reactions and is not a vaccine as originally defined by the medical community.
you are correct. but ignoring that Emergency Powers can be declared if there is no solution to the virus, is not helpful to overall argument.
the vaccines sucks and doesnt suck.
is doesnt suck cause it got rid of emergency powers. its does suck because its being forced on people and they for some reason CANT SAY NO
Plus the ‘control group ‘ was disappeared.
Not true. My seven children had religious exemptions throughout school and college. I even taught at a preschool and had a religious exemption. Mississippi is the most restrictive but most other states are not. Even the military had religious exemptions until rona. But with rona the military has accepted none to date.
Rona is the big test for how compliant Americans will be. Are we willing to turn our personal and states rights over to a tyrannical national government based on a lab jacked up common cold that has been poorly managed by medical bureaucrats in the NIH (Fauci) and the CDC or will “We the People” put our energy into holding those responsible for the destruction of our constitutional rights?
I knew from the beginning I would not accept this vaccine because I have not accepted other vaccines based on the manufacturing process that uses fetal cell lines, healthy aborted children. I spend most of my time educating others, especially at church, to the dark side of vaccines.
Hmmmmm….
Have an agenda here?
President Trump has done more against all odds than anyone in recent American history. You ungrateful bastard.
I’ve never seen you post here before.
I find that telling.
You have all of the Leftist talking points down pat.
Eric its obvious people arent thinking.
Hillary is powerful. She cant affect Obama’s desires. Removing Hillary from the Board leaves Obama’s bullshit unchecked.
PDJT made the right decision – LOOK at it now. Biden is letting Hillary be eat up with the Investigation.
I think DJT was a great president but there are a lot of things he did that did not make sense, and his silence on the political prisoners in the dc gulag is disturbing. I can understand why people are critical when they are suffering from this communist regime’s s*it show.
I note that you occasionally struggle to express yourself clearly and readily latch onto profanity as a substitute for forcibly demonstrating your ideas.
Even if your assessment of Donald Trump is correct, cursing his critics does nothing to further your argument.
Curse all you want. This is America. Tell us why you hate PDJT and who you support to fight the Uniparty that won’t get slaughterd once they target him?
PDJT is our weapon. Anyone disarming us is not a friend.
Trump did tons of good things for the Main Street economics.
And, as far as HRC goes, we are in a time of War, with the MSM controlled by bad people. Is the HillWitch we see out there the real HRC, or the one running for President in 2016? The one so sick she constantly stumbled and fell, and had to be thrown into the side of a van… all way back over 5 years ago? Yet now she can walk around as a completely well person accepting awards from the Queen, and be completely clear and competent during interviews? It’s a miracle if true!
Or is HRC now various actresses playing the HillWitch? “Double, double toil and trouble,” as actors are a part of the Witches Brew.
I’m calling for a clean up
Be careful with the name calling on this forum
If in a hundred years, something like a Greek tragedy were written about this time, it might show the protagonist, the President Trump, unable to accept the fact that he was tricked into destroying the economy he had so painstakingly and brilliantly rebuilt, and handing the world into the hands of darkness, takes the poison jab like a dagger through his heart, again and again accepting the punishment as the only possible reconciliation. The drama unfolds, as the minor players look on wailing and rending their garments. It might be a great drama, the ending still unknown…
Leading medical univ/health care system in USA.
Lead doctors in Wake Forest Baptist Health’s antibody study talks about adverse vaccination reactions – The North State Journal (nsjonline.com)
Well, I mean, yeah, myocarditis is a real concern,” said Sanders. “We have clearly seen myocarditis documented in vaccine recipients.”
He added that it’s been more often seen in males than females and in adolescent young-adult males than older people.
IN ADOLESCENT YOUNG-ADULT MALES….
WHY is ANYONE vaxxing THEIR KIDS?????????????
becasue they are dumb, and would hurt you in many other ways than just this vaccine.
or they are stuck in an information bubble of entirely Fake News. and they are naive and Trusting.
but this isnt PDJT’s fault.
the vaccine stopped the WEAPON OF LOCKDOWN to end capitalism and reset this country.
(people were doing a run on GUNS for a reason during lockdown – Remember why? running red lights. crosslines, driving the opposite way on the road.)
How quick we forget.
Birx and Fauci from DAY 1 were vaxxers and would NOT accept herd immunity! Her emails to Pence this wk, stated just that. And Facui was so wishy washy, flop like a mop, who would EVER listen to a word he said. He changed daily, hourly with ‘facts’…..EVIDENT from the first day Fauci WAS a fraud and STILL IS TODAY.
Yet Trump ran with them, CLOSED DOWN THE COUNTRY and destroyed small biz, workforce, workers and INCREASED THE DEBT….Many small biz closed to never open again. WOrkers were being paid 2x, 3x their normal wages to SIT HOME and then we expected them to go back???????????
Blue state governors then USED this mandate as a means to keep their states closed forever and keep on until this day….
All true. Not sure what your actual point is…unless rehashing history is somehow more interesting with lots of crazy punctuation and wanton capitalization.
Lots of trolls today I see.
And those who have an agenda.
Has this caused you to conclude that no one will notice one more troll among so many?
Disagreeing with your point of view does not make someone a “troll”.
respond to my post below. I will respect you if you have a good argument against it. And I will listen and learn
Nope, that makes us “white supremacists/nationalists”
Depends on who you are disagreeing with Lady J.
You wouldn’t know a real troll if he/she walked up and slapped your face.
You nailed it. I am totally in favor of lauding his many historic accomplishments and recognizing the immense personal and political toll of years of unrelenting attacks. That said, everything you describe needs to be said, and the questions need to be asked. His silence on these issues is beyond troubling.
You’re a Dem troll, and you’re not convincing anybody.
It’s certain that he will never convince the close-minded.
Nope. I pray for his continued success but he needs to put distance between himself and the clot shot if he expects to regain my trust.
It seems clear to me that if a group as enlightened and knowledgeable as the Treehouse contributors are unable to reach consensus on the relative risk/benefit of the vaccines that Trump enabled, we should be a bit more forgiving and less stridently judgmental. The primary issue with the vaccine nazis is,
1) one size fits all mandate,
2) refusal to acknowledge and investigate obvious negative side effects,
3) coercing doctors to intimidate people into taking the jab,
4) punitive treatment of unvaccinated for their choice,
5) ignoring defined high risk groups for deadly side effects,
6) demanding child vaccinations even though the benefit/risk is zero or even negative.
7) trashing every other promising (inexpensive) therapeutic on the market.
In its proper application the ‘vaccine’ has been beneficial – improperly forced, it has done great damage too.
Unwittingly, President Trump’s glowing endorsement of the “vaccines” and dismissal of the damage they cause is a ringing endorsement of ALL 7 points you list BY DEFAULT.
It supports without qualification the Public Good and Safety Argument being used by the government, which IS the FOUNDATION of any MANDATE.
If you blame Trump for making the VAX available,
Then you should give TRUMP CREDIT for his NO VAX Mandate policies that are saving millions of lives every day.
The RED states are the only ones pushing back with law suites and ANTI VAX mandates from governors and mayors.
Forcing people to choose between a job and providing for their family is killing millions of HEALTHY Americans..
PS
The RED states are the only ones pushing back with law suites and ANTI VAX mandates from governors and mayors.
Unfortunately many can’t afford to MOVE.
“If you blame Trump for making the VAX available,
“Then you should give TRUMP CREDIT for his NO VAX Mandate policies that are saving millions of lives every day.”
If there were no Warp Speed there would be no mandate to get jabbed.
By the time they went through the customary protocols, herd immunity would have been achieved.
Yes, because Joe Biden would never fast track a “vaccine”, and then force everyone to take it.,,,
yeeesh.
I voted for Trump in 16/20. NEVER AGAIN.
There is NO coming back from these FACTS:
– Trump fell for every Trap, Snare and Ruse set for him by the the Democrats, the DeepState and China.
– Without even a high school knowledge of vaccine development Trump endorsed a fake (“Warp-Speed”) vaccination that has (experts estimate) killed over 800,000 Americans (40 times the faked-down VAERS count) and injured millions of others.
– Trump’s lack of any national strategy for busting the Busines-Political Cartels that dominate American governance enabled the forces of said cartels to continue to amass and consolidate their power at a critical time.
Trump’s complete and abject failure to accomplish any enduring reforms e.g., of immigration.
Trumps’s failure to reign in anti-American fake conservatives leaders like China-Mitch McConnell and Kevin McCarthy;
Trump’s failure to STOP Anthony Fraudchi — the same lack of due personnel diligence seen in all Trump personnel choices.
Trump’s failure to stop mass ballot fraud that enabled the 2020 election theft. Say there’s nothing he could do to stop it and you’re an enabler yourself. Trump could have preemptively called out the National Guard in Ballot Fraud States to secure all Drop boxes, witness all counting centers and make mass arrests of electrion cheaters. Instead, Trump had no strategy other than to bitch and moan afterward.
Trump lured thosuands of patriots to DC on Jan 6 and now lets them rot in jail –He could hire an army of lawyers to go after every public official in DC, and sue (and bankrupt) every one of them.
Trump FIRED Gen. Mike Flynn (on Comey’s say so) and then let him twist in the wind and get bankrupted by False Prosecution, Trump NEVER offered to pay Gen. Flynn’s legal fees or help him re-coup his retirement.
Trump expects everyone to support him and be loyal to him, but Trump is loyal to NO ONE.
De-Santis has shown that he is the comnplete and total opposite of Trump. Highly Competent, focused on one Thing: Protecting America and Americans.
You forget to mention that Desantis also supports Wall Street.
You forgot to mention that Trump does the same: “President Trump has nominated another Goldman Sachs executive to a senior role, marking the fifth former or current Goldman employee to join the new administration.”
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/324027-trump-names-another-goldman-sachs-exec-to-senior-administration-role
What’s your point? This is a thread on Trump’s support for the Warp Speed product.
Christian, the HILL is an ultra left wing news site filled with leftist propaganda, look it up.
Jim, ad hominem circumstantial is a logical fallacy.
Did Trump appoint Goldman Sachs executive (David, Steve?) Munchen to head up the Treasury Department? Would this event not be reflected in his signature on a Federal Reserve note? Is the Hill inventing a narrative?
Did he work against the American people whilst employed by the Trump admin?
Do you believe the elderly, and those with underlying conditions (the people warp speed was directed at) deserved to die?
Do you dismiss the efficacy of preexisting treatments such as Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine that are cheap, safe and available world-wide?
Are you not aware the medicine Trump promotes is documented as causing heart inflammation and is suspected of causing heart failure in numerous young men?
Would you sacrifice the young to give the very old another year or two? And finally, are you a Boomer?
“are you a Boomer?”
And your point is? What?
That he cares less for his children’s future than his own comfort.
Do you believe that all the people who were harmed, or died as an outcome of taking the rushed, untested Jab, deserved to die too.
PDJT was not a Politician when he ran in 2016, but the Covid debacle made him one – sadly.
The Hill.
Snigger.
yawnnn
Would a dancing leprechaun GIF help to keep you awake while the adults discuss politics?
I doubt Desantis will challenge President Trump
Max, what planet have you been living on? You infor on General Flynn in completely FUBAR.
“Trump’s failure to stop mass ballot fraud that enabled the 2020 election theft. Say there’s nothing he could do to stop it and you’re an enabler yourself. Trump could have preemptively called out the National Guard in Ballot Fraud States to secure all Drop boxes, witness all counting centers and make mass arrests of electrion cheaters. Instead, Trump had no strategy other than to bitch and moan afterward.”
Under what legal authority?
I agree. It makes me sad, but he’s not the right person for the job. While I’m pleased with what Rion DeSantis is doing, his belief in the vaccines scares me. I don’t know if I could trust him, either. AT this point, I trust MTG, Candace Owens. I don’t trust anyone who can’t see the forest for the trees on these gene therapy injections, no matter what kind of lip service they give regarding the rejection of mandates.
Even though Trump funded his own campaign and was elected by the people, I believe he was serving the will of Rothschilds who bailed him out of his bankruptcy.
Didn’t he get a sweet deal on the B of A building in San Francisco?
That is BS…Where is even an ounce of proof of that..Apparently you don’t know Trump..He doesn’t hang onto anyone’s coattails..I don’t like the fact he is still giving…support to the mRNA..but he absolutely does not need the Rothschilds..who are no longer part of the ruling class..That goes back..way..way back..It is Gates..now..an Soros..Forget the Rothschilds..But Trump is his own man even if he does have a bit of a problem with saying he was wrong..I appreicate everything he did for our country an never took a salary..That is not a Rothschild..way of doing things..They would take whatever they could and run with it..Geez..I have heard a lot of things but on this one you are totally..twisted..
“I voted for Trump in 16/20.”
Sure you did.
I did.
And I voted against Obama twice.
2008 was the first election I voted in even though I was 52 that yr.
Don’t like the facts, stop voting for circus clowns like TRump.
Trump’s Insult everyone show gave massive cover for China-DeepState and all the rest to push their Trojan Horses up to our gates.
Imagine you attended the Jan 6th Rally and you’ve been locked away in DC Jail — No word from the man you flew in to DC at your own expense to support.
What would George Washington do?
8) Trying to hide the fact that the EUA gene therapy shots enable a massive wealth transfer from the American taxpayer to the federal government via the conduit of Big Pharma’ donations.
How so? Wasn’t it Trump and ONLY Trump who constantly fought to reduce costs and deliver transparency?
You have placed in perspective these complex, intersecting issues better than any other commenter. Your words should be pinned on refrigerators!
Great post- many good points.
Not to mention the outright creepiness of giving away free stuff to entice people to get the shot when not everyone was lining up as they had hoped people would do. That was bizarro world. What was even scarier is the brainwashed falling for it.
There is no evidence the vaccines have done anything good, unless you call the destruction of NKC’s, adaptive and innate immune systems a good thing. After the first dose, the NKC’s skyrocket to the point of eventual exhaustion. This sky rocketing effect may have a temporary effect of keeping viruses and bacteria at bay, but they burn out by the second inoculation, along with adaptive and innate immunity. They are nothing short of a disaster.
Every fully injected person, and those taking boosters are becoming permanent AIDS patients.
Absolutely! Your post is absolutely accurate
Operation Warp Speed – Great Plan and Concept.
No Mandates – Yep, that is according to the law and constitution and an expected position of a MAGA leader.
UN-Apologetically Endorsing now proven dangerous drugs, just because Operation Warp Speed was misused to spawn them – Exposes a level insincerity of the two good points for purposes of bruised ego and being greatly UNINFORMED.
To repeat the lies that the “vaccines” have been effective shows how little the President actually pays attention to details on key points until way too late.
I can fully accept he deserves credit for attempting Warp Speed, the speed that he attempted to respond to the “medical-science” advice he was receiving at the time (in 2019-early 2020). I give him full marks for NO Mandates.
I cannot accept his inflexibility on points that bruise his ego. In fact, qualifying his remarks and at least cautioning on “vaccine” acceptance would have been welcome and acceptable “pragmatic” acts.
President Trump has slipped towards becoming a best of worst choice leader of MAGA if not a candidate.
my guess is PDJT will slow down on the Vaccine talk and endorsing it, now that the FDA Approved to Lockdown killers yesterday.
i hope he does
I understand what firestorm it would set if he were to say..I made a mistake..Actually he didn’t know he was making a mistake..I am sure the scientist..docs..that support big pharm..told him how great it was going to be..Trump is not a doc or a scientist..He got dooped by big pharm..and Fauci….and a ton of others..I want him to just come out and tell it like it is.We were in an emergency…He did not create the vaccine..People were putting pressure nn him to come up with answers..Warp speed was a mistake..Yes..some people would die..It happens..as in flus…virus’..etc…..They needed to go for treatment..but you saw what happened when Trump went the route of treatment..They shot him down..fast..Said he was crazy..He was wanting people to use bleach..These people were bound and determined to stop at nothing to make sure big pharma made the money because that was the whole..plan and they weren’t about to let a president stop them..They shut him up..
Now earlier I said Trump took 1 million dollars from big pharm..That was wrong ..he gave 1 million to big pharm..for operation WS..I can just give President DJT a pass on this because he isn’t a doc and not a scientist..He was counting on those that are qualified to be diligent and give us a medical answer that would really save lives..Instead they gave him/us..an answer that was a genetic..ecperirment..
Now having said all this..he has to humble himself and say..this vaccine is not safe..Say.I never had any idea they were going to give us an mRNA…an experimental drug…I am sure all those that have wrote speeches for him will be able to write this in a way..that is transparent..Idk how he is going to make this happen..but he just needs to make it happen..Clear the air now..and show that his concern is for the people..We will see..I have even said something on Don Jr’s site..but I never know if he sees it or not..But he needs to just resove this now and stop talking about it.. period..People right now do not want to hear about how great the jab is..None of us do..!!!
I miss TRUMPS and his round table discussions with the cameras rolling..
He would Welcome you.
BUT, you would have a
a lot of explaining to be helpful..
WHAT part of no mandates, no masks,no lock downs,open the schools, do you not understand.?
Who is better?
Please , enlighten us.
WHAT party does he belong to?
DJT obviously needs to do 2 things. 1. Shelve his ego. 2. Get new advisors especially in the Scientist / Doctor realm. In the Owens interview Candace mentioned how her husband contracted Covid and DJT agreed he has the best immunity now but yet I an not sure why then would he get vaccinated and then a booster because he had Covid and was treated with Monoclonal Antibodies which was Regeneron I believe and was better within days. We don’t need vaccines because we already have re-purposed drugs that if used in combination with each other will not only prevent but cure you. And he’s pushed all that aside for the vaccines.
The underlying problem I see is that we live in a society that has been told for 100 years that vaccines are the miracle way out of any deadly disease. We have seen many “miracles” in the eradication of some really terrifying diseases such as polio and smallpox, but a fact that is often overlooked is that the advances in vaccines occurred at the same time as huge strides were made in sanitation and hygiene. Vaccines probably get more credit than they deserve. No matter, when a severe disease shows up there is a great outcry for vaccines. Trump grew up in the era of miraculous medicine. I am only a few years younger than Trump, but I did not hear much about natural immunity as a child (exception: my Mom exposed me to measles and mumps so I would develop my own natural immunity). In recent years I never hear about natural immunity at all. Kids are given some 69 vaccines. This is making it so children do not develop immunity and are more vulnerable than any generation in memory. The trend towards a vaccine for every malady has accelerated to the point where some were talking about mandating vaccines for adults prior to the pandemic. This “vaccines are the answer to every ill” mindset has been building for years. What was Trump to do when this pandemic was being used as the reason to shut down the economy he had revived in record time? Given the choice between economic destruction and having a vaccine produced quickly Trump chose the vaccine. I do not see how he could have chosen otherwise. He tried to get people interested in therapeutics like Ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine and was beaten down for it. His health experts gave him only one choice and he went for it in the way Trump always does once he makes a decision – all out! Should he back track now? I would like him to because I am personally aware of at least three people who have died within 2 weeks of the vaccination. The difference between me and Trump is I do not have to weigh whether I will lose a large swath of my constituency if I oppose them. My guess is Trump knows about the deaths and injuries but weighed against the destruction of our economy and endless lockdowns he thinks it is better to support the vaccine. After all, 60% oi America has been vaxxed. I believe if deaths and adverse events continue to soar you will see Trump stop advocating for them.
Sundance is on record as saying DeSantis holds the same position as President Trump on vaccines.
He is also on record as saying that DeSantis is not an economic nationalist.
Again, I find it telling that we have a bunch of unfamiliar posters today posting about how Trump sucks.
Pretty telling.
“[W]e have a bunch of unfamiliar posters today posting about how Trump sucks.”
Ignore them. Let’s discuss whether or not the the quackzine sucks and why Trump lavishes praise upon it.
Why would you want every American killed through Emergency Police powers that are called by the Governors and OVERRIDE the Constitution.
We want to save America, not destroy the Constitution, and fight this cabal.
the vaccine ends EMERGENCY POWERS.
i have said this at least 50 times on this thread – to you, near you, around others. I know its been seen.
the repeating ignoring of it, make its obvious what is going on.
Right To Try Act, signed by DJT on May 30, 2018 gave Americans the right to be CDC guinea pigs, see “Right To Try Voodoo” at principia-scientific.com
“Modernization of Influenza Vaccines in the United States to Promote National Security and Public Health” executive order #13,887 signed Sept 19, 2019 authorized mRNA experimental JABS months before the WuFlu cooties appeared
That executive order will be a sticking point for Trump in a future election. I think was out maneuvered on that order. He will have to answer for it.
after we bury PDJT. do we have anyone else that can take the arrows for us?
or will they just go into us
I hope we never are grateful for people disarming us. I hope we still want to win. I am not happy with getting my life taken by Uniparty Global Oligarchs – it isnt the American Dream to lose
“I hope we never are grateful for people disarming us.”
Are you referring to the Bump Stock ban?
“Right to try” for terminally ill patients with nothing to lose is a far cry from *forcing* unnecessary mRNA gene editing experiments on healthy young children and adults with everything to lose. Apples and oranges.
The coronaviruses have not been deadlier than any bad flu seasons. It’s the lack of available treatments for high risk patients that caused most deaths. And 99 percent survived it even with medical malfeasance like Remdesivir and ventilators.
This is a PLANemic of the FAKE news media.
They aren’t listening. They think they are perfect, and they are. Perfect keyboard warriors who never walked the walk!
No..that is not true.He gave individuals the right to dedide..He never said any of the treatments they have the right to use was..harmful or not harmful..He didn’t endorse any particular drug..Those at big pharm certainly do not have the right to decide..They are cancer givers and murderers in many cases..Yes I said it..murderers..You know how many people die from these horrible drugs that are approved by the FDA..People who do not have ongoing illness need to try to find natural remedies if possible..
So tell me. You’re not a doctor, or government scientist, and someone tells you 80 million could die if you don’t do so and so, and do it fast. What do you do?
If you’re smart, you recognize it as a con man’s pitch.
No you don’t recognize it as a con mans pitch at all. Not unless you too are a doctor/scientist.
So you have to be a car mechanic to recognize that the used-car salesman is offering you a lemon at an inflated price?
Isn’t Trump allegedly a very smart man? Wouldn’t the best strategy be to get a panel of world-renowned epidemiologists to evaluate the truth claims being put forward by Doctor Fauci whose many policy failures are a matter of public record?
Why does a very smart man readily take important advice from a life-long, marginally competent bureaucract?
Every vaccine and pharmaceutical before took years to develop. The brainiacs were going to do this in a year? That should have raised giant red flags there and then. Did for me I’m neither a billionaire nor ex President.
So, you’re smart and Trump’s not?
Is he, though? He got swindled by Fauci readily enough.
He got swindled by a lot of people. His own daughter and son in law among them.
Looks that way or he’s grossly compromised/complicit.
Trump was definitely backed into a corner.
My understanding was the Right To Try was for people that are sick to be able to use drugs that have been tested in trials for years, ones that were having good results, but hadn’t made it to the market yet. I didn’t have a problem w/that, especially if a person was sick and had nothing else to lose.
I did not understand that it was involved w/vaccines, especially ones that had not had any trials. Thank you for posting that tidbit of info. That changes everything. And I do believe the research reports that has shown the shots were created BEFORE Covid and they needed Covid as an excuse to give the shot.
In the past when as few as 25 people died the drug was removed from the market, it is greatly disturbing that w/these shots they just keep plowing forward, forcing, demanding people take their poison. I don’t understand how people don’t have a problem w/that.
Reading the comments from unfamiliar posters is pretty telling.
The Left and RINOs are still terrified about President Trump.
Ha ha ha
#MAGA
Eric. Here in Ontario three years ago we ditched a very liberal govt in favour of a Doug Ford conservative govt. I was elated! Finally we had our man in the seat.
My conservative MPP sent Christmas cards with Bible verses. I was elated. So excited to finally have something that represented truth.
Then came Covid, and my joy turned to shame. The whole lot of folks that could have, and should have stood up against this false narrative didn’t. In fact, they pushed it, along with their unfettered support for the vax.
This is not about a vaccine anymore! This is not about Covid anymore! This is about TRUTH.
A person who will not speak truth into this situation is as guilty as Fauci and Gates. They are all bought and paid for by big Pharma. They all have their agenda!
If we conservatives don’t have critical thinking and analytical skills now, we are no better than the libs proudly wearing their masks the super market! This is about searching out truth. Those we desperately want to be on our team may not be! It is imperative that we identify them, even when it violates something we desperately want to be true.
DD
but the TRUTH WAS DIFFFERENT during the time Governors were calling Emergency Powers that could POINT TO YOU and put you in a car – take you to a place- keep you family from you – you die of covid – they thrown you in a waste bin – and not let your family come to the funeral.
Please Remember this. CONTEXT. UNemotional Reality. They were going to kill everyone one of you.
“TRUTH WAS DIFFFERENT”
Truth is mutable?! Or did I get the wrong context?
I don’t know anyone who is so sure they know the truth either way who would disagree with Trump on this. I’ve not met anyone in real life who was pro mandate, even the vaccinated.
My husband is injected and even took a booster shot last month. Now he says he won’t take another one.
Something has shifted. The jig is up. And at this point they’re all scrambling to find a chair before the music stops.
Sundance predicted we would know the corner is turned as soon as they start throwing President Trump under the bus.
And this is exactly what they are doing right now. Pointing fingers.
A Congressional committee is investigating Trump’s handling of the “pandemic” and he’s not even in office anymore.
Tyrannical fascists will do what tyrannical fascists do.
Trump is making it easy to point fingers at him. If he would articulate things a little better I would be happier, but there is just too much evidence the vaxx is dangerous, forget the mandate part of the conversation, I think we all agree that should not be on the table. What is disheartening to me is his apparent belief that the vaxx is safe.
And effective.
Pseudo-financial analyst Jim Cramer, et. al.
Did you imagine the support for mandates was a simulacrum?
Or maybe people who lurk and don’t normally comment are brought out from the shadows because of these statements.
No, just taken the blinders off.
This just to divide us it is your choice that is it. Lot of people took jab listen to science that has been nothing but wrong.
I am against the vaccines. I think they should be pulled stat because of the deaths (VAERS) and adverse events they have caused. I think vaccinating children and pregnant women is tantamount to a war crime.
I believe in Trump. He is a genius with words according to Clif High (another genius). Trump has earned the benefit of the doubt in my view.
I suspect he is up to something with these announcements, right now, timed right before the U.S. Supreme Court is going to hear the case on the mandates.
I don’t know if he is using reverse psychology (remember what happened when he advocated for HCQ) or if he is trying to get everyone the media (both the so-called MSM and the free media) to discuss, debate, and bring the issue of the vaccines and the mandate to the forefront.
A lot of commenters cite VAERS as if it was gospel. In actuality, VAERS allows a person to make a complaint without any verification of actual harm. That has been true for years regarding the claims of autism caused by vaccines or their components. Just because a claim has been made does not make it true, even though the claimant believes that it is. This is how VAERS describes the database:
https://vaers.hhs.gov/about.html
I am not saying that there are not adverse reactions to the Covid vaccines. There clearly are. It is also true that there is no vaccine that has not had real adverse reactions. In fact, there is no medical procedure or drug that has not had adverse reactions. The question is: Are the results worth a certain percentage of adverse reactions? I think that we don’t know the answer to that question yet.
That is why mandates are so bad and each person should retain personal choice without being denied participation in society. If your vaccine truly works then my choice to not receive it should not affect you at all and we can coexist without one being required to wear a yellow star. I do not avoid those who are vaccinated even though I know that their vaccine shedding could make me sick.
Absolutely…I went to a Christmas party last week..Everyone there was vaccinated..and proud of it..Yes they were dems..but you know they had been friends for a long time..I came home and 3 days later I had something..sneezing..coughing..fever..upset stomach..My daughter was there with me at the party ..a day later she had the same symptoms..The vaccinate are shedding an giving us this crap..We need to halt this vaccine right now..this day..
Yeah the shedding thing is a problem, that is why social distancing is still important! I admit I do tend to keep my distance from them, the ones I do hug I turn my face away. Before I leave the house I spray my face w/Briotech.
I agree – and so does President Trump.
So let’s keep giving the injections until we discover they cause miscarriages, infertility and myocarditis.
But look at the results! They protect everyone from getting an illness that has a 99.7% recovery rate.
Science is agnostic toward truth. They will never “know”. So they keep experimenting. We are the lab rats.
tell your friends and family to not take it. thats how you fight for your belief
The girls got jabbed at school without my knowledge or consent.
Bad daddy!
Aw man! 😡
That would make me LIVID.
What can I do now? They inherited a blood clotting disorder from their mother and if they were to some day get pregnant, Heprin injections would be necessary to bring the baby to full term. This injection could vastly complicate the process.
It is astonishing that vulnerable children are able to be exploited like this by authority figures and no law bars the practice.
My kids went behind my back. I was and am devastated.
Why is parental authority despised by children and civil authorities alike?
I tell my friends and Family what I think about the Vax , but would never tell them what they should do.
That is how we keep the Peace.
None of us wear masks and there is a lot of hugging.
I’m looking forward to our Christmas Party.
Lol, good luck with that.
La la la la….they can’t (won’t) HEEARRR us!
I did. They didn’t listen.
I have told them, and they did it anyway. You can’t fix stupid. The truth has to be learned, not told.
Unfortunately..sadly..you are right…
I believe in personal choice – for everyone, not just for you.
My understanding is healthcare/nurses have to fill out vaers reports that take 30 minutes per person. Many nurses have fessed up that its too time consuming .
Isn’t there a penalty for perjury for false reports?
The person making the report may not be intentionally filing a false report. They may believe it to be true, even if it is not.
From my observation and understanding they are not required to report anything and more often than not, don’t.
Quite a few nurses have said they didn’t even know the program existed, it has been around for years.
80% of the reports submitted to VAERS are done by doctors and other medical personnel. Each report is several pages, and at the top of each page is a warning of fines, imprisonment and/or cancelling of medical license.
Each report does not get a case number, nor does it show up in the database for public consumption UNTIL IT IS VETTED, which means the person submitting is contacted by CDC and asked about the submission.
VAERS is incomplete data, not false data. Early on, it pointed to trends and multiple red flags, which all active databases (those actively receiving data at all times) do. Science and “medical experts” and most medical professionals choose to ignore or impugn it, to our detriment.
Donald Rumsfeld once said you go to war with the army you got, not the one you wish you had. The medical profession chose to discard VAERS, which makes as much sense as going to war without maps, a compass, and GPS.
VAERS can, indeed, contain false data. It may not be intentionally false.
Did you read how the government describes VAERS?
https://vaers.hhs.gov/about.html
According to Dr. Peter McCullough, CDC personnel have contacted him to verify the legitimacy of his reports to VAERS, so it is not exactly true that no proof of harm is needed. Further, every study that has been attempted and / or completed on the link between autism and vaccines has been shot down, and vilified. YOU ARE NOT PERMITTED TO EVEN LOOK INTO A LINK BETWEEN THE EVER INCREASING VAX SCHEDULE AND AUTISM. You are immediately labeled a nut and told to shut up! PERIOD! Hiw’s that for science ( BTW does that remind you of any other “settled science” dogma? Perhaps climate change?!?! Further still, I find it odd that someone would concede that most if not ALL of our government’s bureaucracies have been corrupted EXCEPT the CDC and the FDA. Apparently they are as pure as the wind driven snow. Look into why and how VAERS has been established and run and start there with a sober look at the situation we find ourselves in today.
The documentary Vaxx’d, along w/Part 2 of Vaxx’d. Everyone should watch it, IF they can find a copy.
Vaxxed 1
https://www.bitchute.com/video/EF7cktA1pfUQ/
Vaxxed 2
https://www.bitchute.com/video/tWWF9xBa8QMi/
Well listen to Joe Rogan #1747 with Dr Peter McCullough and you’ll learn a lot more.
Well, here’s the thing Susan. You are making assumptions that people who disagree with you are ignorant. Stella was with all the rest of us when we set up the Treehouse. She has written extensively on vaccines long before Covid came along.
I have never seen anyone who researches a topic as extensively as she does, and sticks to facts and logic in every discussion. Every day we admins see people throw around facts and figures, never citing a source. I guarantee you a huge percentage of people just read it somewhere, maybe in another person’s comment on another cite, and begin to reference it as fact.
If you see Stella make a statement, she will always be able to back it up. You may disagree with her, but do not assume ignorance, because you are dead wrong.
Thanks Menage. I’m not perfect, but I try to get at the facts, if possible. This topic is surrounded by so much crap on both sides, that it isn’t easy, I admit. I only wish people would read something, THEN go hunting for verification. I learn a lot that way and will continue to do so. My opinions often change as time goes on.
Reminder to others: Don’t stick to your opinion as if it was the only one ever. Be open.
^^^_ T H I S_ ^^^
And not just because I’ve agreed with Stella’s responses to global anti-vaxxers.
They’ve proliferated on the open topic threads over the last year[s]. Sometimes pushing an agenda that seems off.
But we do know the answer in relative terms, unmistakably. VEARS is at the moment more reliable than the corporate MD coverup artists trying to denigrate its collection method and divert attention from what it and testimonies elsewhere have been revealing.
I’m sure you believe that, but you don’t know it for sure and ‘unmistakably’. And don’t assume that every corporate or medical bit of information is automatically unreliable.
If you look into vaccines you would see the entire concept is not safe or effective. The diseases that were supposedly eradicated from them actually began to disappear before the vaccine for any specific disease was even in circulation. Vaccines cause serious harm to more and more of the population every single day. We’ve traded short term acute disease for life long autoimmune diseases.
This is something I have studied (and lived!), and I can say without doubt that that is a load of b.s.
Did you know that the smallpox vaccine was developed at the end of the 18th century, and because of it smallpox has been eradicated. The reduction in measles cases, measles-related damage and hospitalization can be correlated directly with the availability of vaccines. Ditto polio.
Do vaccines sometimes cause harm? Yes, of course. It is true of all medical treatments. The thing is, vaccines in general do more good than harm. I have personal experience of permanent damage from measles encephalitis (my nephew) and I have personally known people completely paralyzed from polio and living in an iron lung.
Both my sister and I had adverse reactions to penicillin. Should penicillin be outlawed? I had an adult friend who died while having his tonsils removed from an adverse reaction to anesthesia. Crap happens. That’s part of life. There is nothing and nobody in this world that is error proof, and we all die eventually from something.
Yes, it’s possible that some vaccines cause harm. I know that it happens. Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water.
I lost two male friends who died of a heart attack after receiving the second shot of the vax (Moderna). Both were thin and fit with no underlying conditions though they were over 65. One was taking care of his 105 year old mother which is why he got the vax so genes are ok. They didn’t know each other.
My neighbor took the vax and immediately had a heart attack and had to have a defibrillator implanted. He seriously regrets taking the vax.
I don’t think any of these cases were reported to VAERS because the families were grief stricken and in denial and not angry at first.
I am in my 70’s and have never had this experience of knowing so many people who have been adversely affected from anything.
You may believe, but don’t know, that the vaccine caused the heart attacks. An individual of 65 probably had cholesterol blocking some arteries, even though he appeared completely fit. We citizens of the USA mostly all have that building in our blood streams by the time we are in our late teens! Of course, it could have also been an arrhythmia. That can kill even quite young and healthy people.
I had a heart attack a couple of years ago from a blocked artery. I was fine before that, and I’m fine now because of advanced heart therapies. A couple of stents are keeping my artery open and my heart is undamaged because I had prompt treatment. I know two women who have congenital heart conditions that cause arrhythmia. It isn’t that uncommon.
The number one cause of death in the USA is heart disease. It has been for years and still is.
The gene thing doesn’t mean much really either. My mother lived into her 90’s, as did one of her sisters. The other six all died in their 60’s and 70’s. Her father died in his 50’s and her mother in her 70’s.
My half brother died at 65 and my half-sister at 60 (same mother as mine). In both cases it was lifestyle rather than genes. Their father died in a car accident, but his parents both lived to be in their late 80’s.
You have soooo much patience, Stella!
Jazz- love this post. I have the utmost faith in our President Trump. He never ceases to amaze.
Faith..has nothing to do with this..He needs to be transparent an tell the people the truth..period..I love him and I will vote for him again if he runs..but I am going to let him..know..he needs to come out with the truth and quit worrying about being wrong..We are all wrong sometimes..Own up..!!!
Agree, people can love someone and still be in disagreement. Just because you don’t agree doesn’t mean you still don’t love them. Someone loves their kid but finds that kid doing suspicious behavior are you going to continue to love them blindly, or are you going to continue to love them, and find out what they are doing, especially if it is something that can cause them or someone else harm?
I tend to the same suspicion.
I think the timing of the interview is interesting, the day before millions will be gathering together for Christmas and no doubt will discussing news of the day.
Unless some major government or medical agency turns against the vaccines Trump doesn’t have any other alternative than to defend them.
Trump must do exactly as he is told!
A hit. A palpable hit!
Wrong..!…He is working for the people..People are dying..What are you talking about???????
I don’t get why Trump cannot acknowledge that vaccines are damaging people. He has a platform to address this and get some sort of response.
He should demand that all documentation be made public, rather than allow them to be sealed for decades.
He should confront his ego and accept that he may have been wrong to trust obvious and habitual liars.
He should encourage people to call for an accurate diagnosis of any ailments and death that occur(red) after getting the vaccine.
He certainly shouldn’t talk about how great he did and how he saved millions of lives from a non-threatening virus.
Maybe he’s not doing any research and trying to relax a bit – I can understand that. He deserves a break after the time he’s had the past several years.
Just because some of us think he’s being foolish or egotistical doesn’t mean we hate the guy. It’s simply becoming more difficult to trust his judgement or intent when he seemingly ignores the fact that these aren’t vaccines and they’re routinely harming people.
If he’s against the DS why won’t he call them out for an obvious series of dastardly moves?
“If he’s against the DS why won’t he call them out for an obvious series of dastardly moves?”
In the 1950s this was known as “the $64,000 question”. Let’s see if today’s contestants can furnish an answer devoid of mysticism, obfuscation or Hegelian dialecticism.
he has – he is making you talk about the vaccine RIGHT NOW by his soundbite THAT IS ONLY ALLOWED ON YOUTUBE because he didnt say something BAD ABOUT THE VACCINE.
Interesting take. He speaks in riddles to perplex the censors? That would be genius, and he is definitely a very smart man.
The $64,000 contest rules prohibit answers supported by mysticism. Try again
It’s simply becoming more difficult to trust his judgement or intent when he seemingly ignores the fact that these aren’t vaccines and they’re routinely harming people.
This is the point of departure.
We can all understand the White House situation at the beginning of this show. We were all duped by Pence as well.
Now we are looking deeply at character. We have been watching the exposition of people’s character locally, nationally and globally. We are fools if we do not analyze the character of leaders at every level.
If Trump bent his knee is some gentle way to acknowledge that this was a nefarious move against him and the rest of the world’s citizens, that these are not true vaccines and should be called gene theerapy, that there are legitimate questions to ask and demand answers to, he would re-win the hearts of many. Heck, he might win new hearts.
He could easily set himself up as a legitimate leader against The Great Reset Tyrants.
“We are fools if we do not analyze the character of leaders at every level.”
It is perverse that conservatives would agree that “Character doesn’t matter” when they rejected that argument from Bill Clinton.
I think it’s the first rule of politics: Never admit you were wrong.
Being wrong and being duped by evil bastids is two different things.
And bragging about how great the vax is when it isn’t a good thing, it isn’t helping him. He clearly could leave that part out, it makes him look like an egomaniac, which he is, in politics and media they all are, but he needs to stop saying how great an accomplishment a shot that is killing and damaging people is. I don’t care how people spin it, whether it is him being a genius, or he is playing one of his games, or any other thing people want to conjure up, he is wrong, it is dangerous and people need to hear that from him if he still wants to lead America. JMO.
The first rule of politics is to offer something of value free of cost to the voters and they rush to elect you.
Trust me..he knows..He needs to be transparent..that’s it..!! He ran on that..Just do it!!!!
Someone needs to ask the questions?..And the journalist..even the ones on the right won’t ask him ..Why are you supporting a vaccine that has caused the death of young people..Why are you supporting a vaccine that alters peoples genetic make up an is only going to be..effective for the SARS virus…These important ..critical questions needs to be asked..Find someone who will..But the problem is he wants to know the questions before he is confronted and I understand that..but he needs to know the American people need these questions to be answered..
He talks to Bill O’Reilley because he’s safe (even though every conservative I know hates Bill), and Candace Owens because he knows she won’t rock her little boat while he gets to pander to blacks.
Someone will eventually ask him the more often he avoids it in controlled interviews – his vaccine comments make people curious and bewildered.
At the onset the whole world believed it was going to be worse than the Spanish Flu.
The New World Order made sure we heard every minute of everyday that it was going to be worse than the Spanish flu.
The Global Oligarchs intended for us to still be in a hard “Australia” type lockdown right now begging for the MRNA vaccines to clear normal trials.
You get it yet we were supposed to beg for the exact same thing after America’s economy was decimated.
Trump just did Trump time.
And if you were one of the rare few that didn’t wipe down your groceries and mail & and wash your hands until your fingers were like prunes, I give you great credits.
I’m no hypocrite. The Dark Side of The Force was quite powerful in the onset of this “war”.
Thankfully this very thread pulled me back to reality quickly. I learn something new here every day.