Kyle Rittenhouse shot and killed Joseph Rosenbaum and Anthony Huber as he was being attacked by a raging mob. Rittenhouse also fired on Gaige Grosskreutz as the attacker held a handgun toward him. Prosecutors attempted to claim that Rittenhouse was a vigilante looking for a fight; however, the defense, and all video of the events, show all shootings were justifiable self defense.
The jury is now in day two of deliberations and has sent questions about reviewing video to the trial judge. [pbs video link below fold] The judge is also expressing frustration and anger with the media’s portrayal of the events in his courtroom. Consider this thread an open discussion for events today as they take place.
Meanwhile outside the courtroom, Black Lives Matter and Antifa groups are pre-positioning riot assets and weapons ready to destroy the city if they do not get a verdict they demand.
I think someone ‘got’ to the judge.
He’s just in over his head. He had no idea what a high-profile case with massive shenanigans would be like.
Oh come on…he’s not senile…anyone would know this would be another showcase of leftist strength. If Kyle is convicted of anything it will just give the final stamp of approval to street justice. We might as well have vigilantes riding around lynching people. How many women are on that jury? I for one would not have more than one or two; they are so fearful of everything.
I resent that. Maybe a lot of women are but I can name a lot, including myself, who would have found Rittenhouse not guilty within a couple of hours.
Same for this woman, I would have been ready to vote to acquit immediately.
Based on the evidence, I as a 61 year old woman would vote to acquit.
And I own a great equalizer, an AR15, so if I have to, I can also deal with unruly mobs.
I agree, being a woman IMHO would not deter me from a not guilty. I have CCW permit (conceal carry weapon). As do MANY other women in our state. I don’t agree with those that like to display but it certainly is not illegal. Considering the facts presented, beyond Rittenhouse not being guilty, I believe he acted quite responsibly in his handling of his weapon. Fearing for one’s life and maintaining reasonable judgement to act is something that can be trained . . . kudos to this young man.
That’s exactly right. He handled himself very well under tremendous pressure. I too, as a woman would have voted not guilty.
Seven women and five men on the jury. It was a lottery pick . . . no control on gender selection. I would think “if one had a choice” . . . it wouldn’t be the how many females but how many are Democrats were selected.
Sorry, this woman would have called for a not guilty vote without leaving the courtroom…
A DEM appointed Judge-I’m with you. The whole trial has been Politically motivated.
Probably a nice 7-Bedroom 8-Bath Bungalow in Door County.
He can’t seem to keep a train of thought. I believe he is in his mid 70’s, so I’m guessing he is not as sharp as he used to be.
the music started playing long ago, but, immune to hints as they are immune to reason, the boomers simply will not leave the stage.
and so they continue to ruin the world.
‘Boomers?’The people (Biden,Pelosi,etc)running things now are pre-boomers,born before FDR stroked out.Before any ‘Boomers’ were born.The ‘Boomers’ have never had the show to themselves,as the post depression early 40’s babies haven’t left the scene.Let’s get them to leave,and then we’ll talk.
There are plenty of Gen Xers and millennials who are focking everything up right this minute….youngens need to stop with the generational blaming!
Bless. I’m really tired of it; Biden’s making it worse; and bigotry is bigotry—I’d like to think we’re keeping our bona fides as individualists rather than collectivists all the time and not just when it serves our purposes.
Not Biden. It’s Obama!!
Their the ones wearing the masks and threatening every who doesn’t. They are brain washed; the boomers were in school when critical thinking was exercised.
Ya, right! Like Bill and Hillary?
I always feared the day the radicals, who came of age in the 1960s, would enter the institutions of power. It turned out worse than I feared. It’s when the rot accelerated.
If it’s not one kind of bigotry, it’s another. C’mon, guys, we’re supposed to be the ones who see people as individuals.
Donald Trump is a boomer. And, btw, you must have read the fake news back in the 60’s because back then the boomers were for free speech and against censorship, big government, and big business…very much against the military/industrial complex. Against the intelligence state. Spied on by the FBI, infiltrated by the FBI…and fyi, how many of the 1/6 political prisoners are boomers? And every protest/school board meeting is full of boomers coming to speak up for their grandchildren and all children. Stop propagating propaganda please. It’s all fake news then just like now and you are still repeating it 50 years later. Please turn off your tv and exercise your brain.
Is this you Charlie?
And, at the risk of revealing Millennials as spoiled children, I’ll just simply state there are enough of us “Conservative Boomers” to make much more of a difference than you might think
He’s also apparently sick (cold/flu) and pretty much stated it straight out during the video evidence bruhaha
He has been eating lozenges for a few days now, today he sounds pretty bad. I don’t want him to have to step down due to illness. They will scream he has Covid.
I believe I also heard the clerk of the court coughing/sneezing as well, that’s the lady with the long brunette/gray hair. My bet is a bug is circulating the court like they tend to do. Good reminder.
Being under the weather can affect performance. I hope they take their time and get it right. A young man’s life is at stake.
Hey, don’t let biden’s ineptness make you see age as a disqualifier. Look at PDT instead. Most people who had it to begin with and keep learning all their lives still have it at that age.
PSA — necessary in the age of Brandon.
I believe he is in the beginning stages of some sort of dementia based on the dementia shuffle I saw when he walked down to watch the video last week. He was clearly not using a normal walking gate.
His distraction with his phone the same day in court was also very odd behavior for such a seasoned judge. Curious for sure.
I couldn’t believe he left his phone on….who ever heard of that.
Maybe this is why defense would just as soon get a new trial.
I think so too and i’m also worried that the jury is going to convict Kyle on something due to the BLM Terrorists outside. This jury should have been sequestered from the very beginning.
How can having people screaming threats outside a courtroom NOT be considered “influencing the jury”? And that’s not even mentioning the corporate media propaganda.
Apparently, since the 80’s, courts have moved away from sequestering unless very extenuating circumstances occur. Did it make sense in this trial? IDK.
Going in, the whole trial as it’s gone on seems like an alternative universe to what ‘normal’ is to me in court. I switched to the Arbery trial one day and was shocked. It was so methodical and boring I couldn’t last 30 minutes even with typical objections and procedural arguments. That’s how court usually is.
That’s what I’ve been thinking. He should have declared a mistrial with prejudice before it even went to the jury.
Yep. But he’s a chicken letting the jury take the heat.
Each one of those jurors are known to the DOJ which has brownshirts infiltrating the thugs outside and each has probably been threatened daily.
Terrible. Another coward judge. Terrible.
Exactly. He’s a coward.
Lunchbox is a slime ball. Too many lard.
What this coward judge doesn’t realize, is that he’s now a target no matter what. He still thinks he can impress his country club friends. That’s over. He’ll find that out. But he’s trying to slither his way out of this at the expense of Kyle’s life.
youtube just went down for me. anyone else? switching to rumble to watch the rekeita law coverage
You can watch the same stream on Odysee:
https://odysee.com/@RekietaLaw:a/LIVE:6dd
The Judge has lost control over the trial. He is so over his head.
Is he another Judge Sullivan, like in the Flyn case??
No Sullivan was definitely biased. This judge is trying to be fair to both sides, so he avoids deciding issues unless he thinks he really has to. That’s why he comes across as a wimp.
Agree. I see the problem with this judge as generational and temperamental.
His first job is to protect the Constitutional rights of the defendant.
IMO his zeal to get the case through the jury is making him look incompetent and overreaching.
Defendant’s counsel f**Ked up! Now he/they request Dismissal, but not WITH Prejudice – which is NOT what his motion was.
He’s going for both. One can request remedies in the alternative.
Thank you for your clear, comprehensive commentary.
Very informative and much appreciated.
Just caught that in Barnes comment. Thanks for yours.
You sound like a lunatic.
is that entirely necessary?
They already have filed one request for dismissal With prejudice over the prosecution mentioning the defendant’s silence pre-trial to the jury.
the riots looting and burning will happen no matter the verdict. I say put everyone on notice, live ammo, no quarter. If this judge has any brain cells, if the jury convicts he should release them and IMMEDIATELY issue a directed verdict of acquittel with prejudice and tell the prosecutors I was referring them to the bar association for disciplinary action.
There is critical thinking at its best.
I think the judge would like a mistrial, but he’d rather declare one after a hung jury than on his own.
As far as his competence goes, he might be the best that Kenosha County has. He slammed the prosecution several times for some comments that related to the right to remain silent.
He is trying to:
-avoid reversible error, especially involving constitutional violations.
-avoid declaring a mistrial.
It’s a tricky balancing act, and that why he seems to wobble back and forth.
As far as evidence and trials go, the general rules one learns in law school:
-when in doubt, the evidence comes in;
-when in doubt, send the issue to the jury.
Both are grounded in the America belief in the jury system, in which a jury of one’s peers decides responsibility, not a single individual judge.
I hope he has the backbone to issue a directed verdict of acquittal or declare a mistrial with prejudice no matter what the jury comes back with.
This entire thing has been a farce.
He’s said he won’t rule on the motion for a directed verdict a/k/a/ motion to dismiss with prejudice unless the jury comes back with a verdict. Basically, that would be a judgment n.o.v., in which he sets aside the the verdict and enters a different verdict.
Sadly, I think a mistrial is the best we can hope for from him.
Is there a timeframe for a hung jury?
If they tell the judge they’re still deliberating, he will let them. If they claim they are deadlocked on all or some of the charges, he will ask them if they could try a little longer, and if they say it won’t move things, he’ll then declare a hung jury and mistrial.
I don’t think so. Usually at some point the judge will check in with the jury, ask if they verdicts on any count, ask if think they’ll reach of full unanimous decision on everything, possibly give them a deadline after which they’re done and it’s a hung jury. It can always be partially hung, meaning the come back with verdicts on one or more charges just not all.
I cannot comprehend how the jurors for this momentous and inflammatory trial have been allowed to go to their homes each night.
I can’t believe they all showed up again.
I don’t think that matters.
What’s perplexing is the judge should realize a judgment n.o.v. would be WAY worse for him reputationally. He’d catch all kinds of hell. A mistrial w/o prejudice before verdict was his safest way out at this point. He still thinks there’s a way out of this that isn’t a cluster-F — and there’s not.
Jury coming back with compromise verdict is the worst outcome for Kyle, given that he’s innocent, but is now a real possibility. Presumption of innocence flips on appeal, so having to fight guilty verdict is worst position for him. At this point a hung jury would be a qualified “win” given what a hole has been dug by this combination of lawyers and judge.
Not to mention finding the cash to pay for another round of lawyers.
Also, there’s the matter of disposition of his bail which the prosecution already had tried once to increase/revoke. Just because he’s a free man currently doesn’t mean that’s guaranteed until the case is resolved, whether by retrial or appeal.
Think of all the J6’ers in D.C. jail with no bond whatsoever and no trial date. Stuff happens. Reality has become an alternate universe. I need to get back to the old one.
I do NOt believe there will be a guilty verdict. NO way 12 jurors go for that.
He’s weak! He should have Rule 35’d this farce the second the prosecution rested. They failed to prove anything!!! In fact, the prosecution proved it was self-defense. If three armed men are chasing you after one shouted “I’m going to F’ing kill you” after trying to push a burning dumpster into a gas pump there isn’t a better example of self-defense that ever existed!
I’d make my neighbors pay if they voted Kyle guilty. If there really are 2 or 3 women so biased politically they do this, they’d better fear their neighbors.
Depends on where they live, who there neighbors are.
If the jury acquits on all charges, it’s over. No need then for the judge to grant a mistrial with prejudice. But he could do that if the jury convicts. I don’t know Wisconsin law, but that motion would I would guess leave open an appeal by the prosecution.
The key is in the written motion to dismiss “with prejudice”, by which the court forecloses further state charges on the actions already tried. Today’s oral motion to dismiss “without prejudice” that had everyone on the lawyer panel screaming allows and would likely result in a retrial.
A couple of other scenarios which can apply….
When the defendant is tried for one offense and convicted of a lesser included offense the defendant is not placed in double jeopardy. Dunn v. State, 55 Wis. 2d 192, 197 N.W.2d 749.
That could pertain to the counts within which there are lesser included charges, forex intentional homicide in the 2nd degree for the listed 1st degree.
When a mistrial requested by the defendant is justified by prosecutorial or judicial overreaching intended to prompt the request, the double jeopardy clause bars reprosecution. State v. Harrell, 85 Wis. 2d 331, 270 N.W.2d 428 (Ct. App. 1978).
Given what Binger and Kraus have been up to, and some of Schroeder’s actions from the bench, this has solid play as well. If Kyle’s attorneys have been under-reaching, everyone else is IMO is going way over the line.
The prosecution can’t appeal. Why would you even think that?
More likely he’ll rule on the mistrial with or without prejudice if and only if the jury comes back with a verdict of guilty. If innocent, it becomes moot and Kyle goes free. So Kyle has two outs here.
The jury thing does mean that at least some jurors want to convict, they couldn’t get them to agree to a clean innocent verdict. Let this be a lesson to pedes, volunteer for jury foreman if you can. It’s more work, but you end up controlling the flow of discussion and framing things which is very powerful and you can use that to ensure a fair verdict regardless of any political shenanigans.
Finally, I’m constantly amazed at just how inept Flufferboy and Fatlock are. I thought they might have some excuse that Dropbox compressed the video, but this particular one wasn’t sent via Dropbox to begin with, the filename changed, and they showed that they have encoding software on their PC after telling everyone they had no idea about that! I believe that they’re technically inept after what they’ve said, but then dammit, what the hell are they doing with Handbrake installed?
Someone who knows what they’re doing needs to get a forensic image and pull the logs from that laptop.
Yep.
The stench of malicious prosecution is all over this case. We can only imagine what a competent, good faith forensic intervention and review of that laptop would reveal.
“when in doubt, evidence comes in” — yes I agree, but with the caveat that that applies to mostly to relevance, and not to authenticity or when prosecutorial misconduct is credibly raised. When it’s question of prosecutorial mistake or misconduct, the rule is to evaluate in terms of prejudice to the defendant, so when in doubt protect the defendant.
Yes, the judge does rule on authenticity, as well as witness qualifications (example: is this “expert” witness just a quack?). Once passed those preliminary legal issues, then to the jury, unless a specific exception in the evidence rules to keep it out.
When the judge ruled on the fuzzy, enlarged video, he didn’t know about the clearer version. He was just ruling on whether the video he saw was so bad it didn’t really show anything. Now he knows why there was a fuzzy video and a clearer one, and has the issue of whether prosecutorial misconduct was involved. Kraus claimed the “technology” made the changes, and it wasn’t intentional. Hah.
Yeah I think the judge kinda let himself get bamboozled on the initial evidence decision re doctored fuzzy video, b/c of his admitted lack of tech knowledge, and now has also learned the state gave the defense a worse quality video file of the drone footage — which to me is a stop the presses moment — and instead he said ,”well I let it in so let’s go go ahead with it, but this could all just be a house of cards.”
I mean, doesn’t his own logic dictate that he FIGURE OUT NOW if it’s a house of cards? I’m just seriously losing it, pacing around in my house listening to this!
I want to be on that jury so bad I can’t stand it.
I want to be a judge so I can run a sword thru these criminal prosecutors.
Seriously. I’ve heard a rumor that one of the Karens is the foreperson. I LOVE to go head to head with a Karen.
On the bright side, I think the odds are good SOMEONE on that jury feels the way we do.
Probably Karen is a Dem committeewoman in the area.
But juries can be really crappy and stupid. This case is a no brainer. The closing argument by the defense narrating clear video was about as cut and dry as one can be.
In other news:
This Judge afraid of riots ? !
Like John Roberts, who dismissed the Texas voter fraud case. Dismissed over procedural grounds, no standing bullsh*t.
Roberts shouting in the Supreme Court Chambers, at other Justices, over possible riots by the radical left.
Exactly! President Trump had no standing sue in 2020 but Al Gore did have standing to sue in 2000? What changed!
20 years, with a deeper swamp.Just Saying
If judge and/or jurors are afraid of riots, and so delaying…the longer they delay, the more pallets of brick weapons are delivered and put into place.
So true. Maybe this will show that our judicial system is irrevocably broken just like our political system. Corporations and NGO’s have run roughshod over the US for decades.
DC is so putrid we need our patriot military to step in…but it will probably have to get worse…
Here’s the thing, how can you expect the judicial to be impartial when law enforcement and prosecutors are not. How many of those that assaulted Kyle were arrested and charged.? We’ve seen enough video evidence to convict them. Compare those BLM and ANTIFA rioters that were arrested to the Jan 6 crowd. They had elected officials fundraising for their bail for Pete sakes
A still frame is not a true representation of what has happened in real time , it’s to fast , a football player could be happily celebrating in the end zone but a still frame can show a grimace in between smiles and laughter like he’s angry, moreover a blurry still frame is even more open to speculation.
Kyle Rittenhouse never lied on the stand he just doesn’t think in one hundredth of a second, no one can .
The only lies have been from the prosecutors.
It’s called context.
You know, like “ram” vs. “frame” vs. “properly frame the context”.
vs. “frame” vs. “ram-rod him in a frame-up”.
It’s the before and after that make ALL the difference.
There must be some disagreement amongst jurors as it is
almost dinner time today and still no verdict this doesn;t
need to go to a third day unless they
are having trouble agreeing…
The criminal lawyers in my old firm used to claim a jury never comes back just before lunch because the state will buy them a free lunch, and never come back just before dinnertime for the same reason.
Yes, it is looking like a hung jury.
or a “hungry” jury
Do the jurors have dinner brought into the courthouse, or are they sent to their homes to eat? If so, how do they get the jurors safely out of the building, without drawing attention to vehicle(s) they board?
Man, this is a dangerous pit…
Brought in to courthouse.
I am actually very impressed with Judge Schroeder. While we can argue for a mistrial or directed verdict, the Judge understands the probable consequences. He is hoping that an acuuital or hung jury will minimize the rioting.
Hopefully; Judge Schroeder will return Kyle’s rifle and ask him to guard the courthouse.
My 86 y.o. Mom who is frail but sharp lives with me and my son. She commented tearfully (Kyle is 2 years older than my son) that no matter what happens they have ruined it for Kyle. He likely will never touch a firearm again.
It’s also possible under the most advantageous of circumstances, even if he hadn’t been charged, Kyle might never view a gun the same way again and indeed eschew them.
That’s what my father did when he returned from Italy after we defeated the Nazis and Fascists there. Never touched a weapon in the household, never talked about guns, never talked about what he did over there. Ever. Killing people changes some men. Others, perhaps not.
Kyle appears to be an introspective, idealistic, moral young man. What he had to do to save himself weighs on him, regardless of the current circus swirling around in the court IMO. One can see it on his face.
I had a great uncle who was a Pathfinder. He felt compelled to ‘hunt’ with his BILs and brothers from time to time after he came home from Europe. Dad recalled his uncle would go off by himself and fire random shots safely at hillocks and stumps until his magazine was empty, then go back to the house. He never killed anything and never spoke of the war. I knew him when I was a youngster. He never said much. He was a quiet, kind man, though. Men like that, men like Kyle are the best of us, no doubt.
The threat of rioting should have no bearing on the judges actions or those of the jury.
If they decide to riot after the verdict (no matter what the verdict is), I hope they do burn the town to the ground.
It may be Americans last chance to wake up and pull their heads out of their collective asses before the country is truly finished and if burning one town to the ground is what it takes to accomplish that, so be it.
Amen!!!
I like the Judge too; however, if rulings are made based on whether there will be violence/backlash/ threats, and not on rulings being made according to the LAW, then we are done as a free country, even more than we are now.
You’re absolutely right, Cheryl!
Shazam!
That’s the ticket, Elmer!
Could use you and your shotgun to back him up, Mr. Fudd.
Thanks for the really good comment. : )
Shotguns are called riot guns for good reason. Even birdshot can be lethal out to a range of a few dozen yards.
Buckshot can be potentially lethal out to ranges of hundreds of yards. At more modest ranges inside 100 yards, buckshot is devastating. A 12 gauge, 3&1/2 inch chamber shotgun loaded with #4 buckshot unleashes a swarm of 54, .25 caliber pellets, any one of which can be lethal. When fired from a shotgun equipped with a rifled choke tube, rifled barrel, or the somewhat obscure spreader choke, the pattern is dispersed wide enough to impact multiple people. Shooting into the pavement a few yards in front of the mob will widen the dispersion pattern even more.
Of course being an old man who can’t run very fast, I’d prefer to be half a mile away armed with a scoped, .50 BMG, anti armor rifle.
This is too long. It was slam dunk not guilty self defense. I do not like what is going on.
??
Seems it was just going too well for Kyle.
There has been far too much premature celebratory popping of champagne corks before there was a verdict.
In 2021 we should never assume a final result until it is announced on multiple media platforms ….. and even then we have to wait at least 48 hours more to make sure some sleaze ball lawyer or judge doesn’t figure out a way to reverse it
Wise advise. Sometimes it takes 5 years as in the case of “Russia, Russia”.
I was not optimistic, but things were going better than I expected, then they took a turn.
That’s why I think that things were going too well for Kyle.
That video was submitted too late, should never have been allowed.
Yes, but it **was** allowed, which justifies my comment about “sleaze ball lawyer or judge”….. may be both in this case.
#RoofTopKoreans
#NegativeReinforcementWorks
#IfNotNowWhen
The two most competent people in the court room are Kyle and the defense’s evidence lady.
Why didn’t Richards just let her make the arguments.
Corey Chirafisi has been pretty good, too. He should have done the closing, not Richards, but Richards is the lead attorney on the team.
Yeah he’s been good and you have to wonder if even he’s been more restrained than he normally would b/c of Richards.
on prosecutors laptop
Good interview of Barnes & Baris less than 1 hr ago of the current status.
Rekieta Law streaming with half a dozen defense lawyers commenting live. Very knowledgeable commentary. Bookmark it and watch it every day.
Over 100K+ watching, more than all msm outlets combined (according to one the panelists). They are excellent.
That’s the link I have been using.
Good information.
Nick also mirrors the stream on Odysee for backup and for those who want to deny Youtube traffic….
https://odysee.com/@RekietaLaw:a/LIVE:6dd
I am so black-pilled today.
Jacek Posobiec
@JackPosobiec
Judge was hoping for a quick acquittal but the holdouts didn’t want the media backlash
Now the holdouts want an acquittal hut the judge doesn’t want the media backlash
Everyone wants to pass the buck
And an 18-year-old’s life hangs in the balance
3:02 PM · Nov 17, 2021
The media should not be allowed to comment on a case unless the jury is sequestered (and perhaps not even then).
I agree with that . . .
the media has been a co-conspirator in breaking down civility, belief in the rule of law, in elections . . .
why aren’t any of them alarmed over jury intimidation?
(rhetorical question)
They certainly shouldn’t be able to pronounce judgment
We’re living in the Age of Criminals and Cowards.
And attorneys who hold a rifle aimed at the court.
is he a big fan of Alec Baldwin?
The jury in this case should have been out for only a few hours, if that.
I thought this would be a slam dunk. I now think it’s not going to end well. Pray for Kyle and justice. This country is nothing I recognize.
Agree 100%. This jury should have returned not guilty across the board within 15 minutes.
Nothing is a slam dunk anymore. Even those things that appear that way get screwed up. America is no more. Same name, different country. Down and down we go in free fall…
Hey, here’s a thought, you Kowards of Kenosha:
Acquit the only guy in the area willing to defend you against a murderous, destructive mob, and then stand shoulder-to-shoulder with him when the terrorists show up again. If there are more of you then there are of them — and there are — they will leave you alone and leave your community intact.
Do what’s right, dammit.
Good grief wild horses couldn’t drag me into the shit hole previously known as Kenosha. Pathetic limp wrists.
What in the (insane) world is going on???
https://therightscoop.com/here-is-whats-happened-on-the-motion-for-a-mistrial-in-rittenhouse-case/
To clarify the linked article:
Yes, the judge said an evidentiary hearing and testimony under oath will be required to adjudicate the video evidence in question (we’ll call it the “tainted evidence”);
In not ruling on the motion to dismiss, the judge said let’s wait to see if the jury asks to see the tainted video again;
So far, the jury has not asked to see the tainted video again;
I don’t believe the request for MTD w/o prejudice supersedes the request for MTD with prejudice — I think they’re both still pending — but defer to crim lawyers;
This is totally FUBAR. The judge seems to be operating under the idea he can avoid the HUGE misconduct problem around the tainted video unless the jury asks to watch it again during its deliberations. There is no valid scenario where it would be OK that they saw it in proceedings, but not OK if they ask to see it in deliberations.
By acknowledging it would force the issue if they ask to see it again, the judge is actually conceding it’s bad evidence (or at least unresolved). He’s in a box. No way out. The self-contradiction is on full display for the world.
The defense’s olive branch of MTD w/o prejudice was the least volatile way out for the judge, reputationally (and for the prosecution, though we know they’ll face know consequences). The judge is just in denial about the big picture.
Thank you. My general impression is that the judge is faltering big time and your explanation confirmed it. It also seems that Rittenshouse is not well-served by his own attorneys, either. Welcome to our new America. Where criminals and cowards rule.
YEP
The idea is to impress upon us that we are not to use the streets for our protests or assembly. That privilege belongs solely to the left.
They’re not just after Kyle. They’re after all of us, and Kyle’s in the way.
kyle is the example
The J6 political prisoners can attest to that
Correction: just saw a screen message from live feed that the jury IS watching drone video footage.
Ugh. I’m lost.
If there is a guilty verdict, it will surely be overturned on appeal. It would then be returned to the original court to address. A second chance for dismissal with prejudice??
At this point, I’m not counting on a fair appeal. Is anyone? Hopefully you’re right.
I too am pretty pessimistic at this point. Maybe there’s one holdout. Who knows. In my opinion defense should have gone for a bench trial and asked for a directed verdict. I have been involved with litigation over the past 40 years in my career before retirement. I can tell you juries have changed and not for the better. I have sat on juries, I have had juries be on my cases and they have gotten more emotional than fact driven. I say that based on numerous interviews and polling done after juries have brought back a verdict. It’s not good for our Republic at all.
Robert Barnes got the question about bench trial – he said in WI the prosecution has to agree. Clearly, the prosecution banked on playing to at least one demented hold out and likely wouldn’t go for a bench trial.
tracks with the rest of the culture.
Juries are likely increasingly dumbed down and partisan as threats become a norm. I would also imagine there are prospective jurors out there who have an agenda and lie their way through the voir dire process. If they’re cunning, they may be able to fool the attorneys. And, voila!, you have an activist on the jury.
“Handbreak.”
“After repeated denials by the State in the Rittenhouse case, that they knew nothing of compressing, doctoring or altering video, ‘handbrake was spotted on the DA’s screen.
For everyone asking “what is handbrake” is used for compressing & converting videos. It was found on Kraus’s laptop meaning he may have purposely converted the video to the lower resolution version using handbrake.
“Handbrake was on one of the prosecutions laptops since January 2021. This can be used to compress footage. Krause lied when he said he didn’t know how to do any of those actions. I’ve moved from negligence or incompetence to malice.””
https://gellerreport.com/2021/11/handbrake.html/
We can just pray enough people saw it there that it’s spread all over without dorsey’s twits helping it along.
I think the move from incompetence to malice is one that applies to so many things these days. Willful, intentional evil has taken hold.
Every time the Prosecutors would F up the judge would give them a “do over!”
judgeis so bias..soooo freaking obvious.
Yep. Not even close.
In not ruling on the MTD based on the revelation, the judge said let’s wait to see if the jury requests to see it again. Implying that it’s only necessary to address the evidentiary problem while the jury is deliberating if the jury wants to see it AGAIN — but not a problem that they already can consider it as part of the body of evidence.
Flawed logic on full display.
Format factory is also on Kraus’ laptop.
the same people we keep consenting to.
Miss him…..
Brady vs Maryland, SCOTUS 1963 > Prosecutorial Misconduct to withhold exculpatory evidence > Binger withheld video, then delivered altered video, then withheld identy and criminal records of the high jump kick man (Salty Cracker on BitChute)
The video file ought to contain (they all do) hidden/extended file information showing when it was created, who created it, software user name of the PC used etc etc. I doubt very much whether the prosecution were savvy enough to remove or edit that. Very few people are. If the defense knew to access that, they’d find out a lot.
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There seems to be a misapprehension about what the term ‘reasonable doubt’.
In mathematical terms, it has been posited that the burden is to prove beyond a 75 percent threshold that the accusation was true.
Meaning that even if you the juror only have a small doubt like I’d say the chances that the accused is innocent is above 25 percent then he must acquit.
In rittenhouse case, if the jurors are requesting to replay video evidence Bc they can’t be sure whether it shows Kyle provoking by holding gun up (as if that was the standard but anyway) then the very uncertainty that the jurors hold suffices to force an acquittal.
This lack of facility with math and fifth grade fractions is the same affliction which screws up 50-70 percent of the population with regards to COVID stats.
Everyone should learn how to gamble on football. Maybe that’s help.
If someone threatening holds a AR15 pointing at you…you run away. You don’t run after them!
With a skateboard.
Holding the gun up would, I think, send the message “back off, stay away,” rather than be provoking. The way the prosecutors think is so backwards. How many active shooters are chased by the crowd? Zero. Kyle was constantly running away from the crowd.
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of course..
plus the fact that even if he did point a gun at someone and then pulled it away, any so-called provocation would have to be imminent to the later Rosenbaum attack on rittenhouse
the point is– the very question as to whether the prosecution doctored the video, or didnt properly supply it to defense–that in itself, probably suffices for reasonable doubt.
the very fact that a jury needs to examine a grainy video repeated times to try to make heads or tails of it–that in itself suffices for reasonable doubt–remember the entire prosecution case now rests on this provocation b.s. claim—and rosenbaum isnt alive to testify that he was provoked.. all there is a grainy video
even if you think the worst about rittenhouse as a kid, distrust his motives etc—if you understand the concept of reasonable doubt you cant convict.
I have to admit I am concerned and irritated that the deliberations are still ongoing into tomorrow. I would surely have suspected they would return a not-guilty verdict within maybe an hour.
That said, I had seen something on Twitter about a potential juror in this case tweeting that he wished he would have made the jury because he hated Kyle and wanted to convict him. There are people out there who will simply refuse to listen to reason or evidence and want to punich Kyle because they hate him. They will do everything they can to resist letting him off because of their hatred.
That said, if a hung jury, we will find out how many were guilty. If one or two, the idea of retrying is ridiculous to think you can flip 90% to guilty.
If guilty on any charges, the judge can certainly grant mistrial with prejudice, or even without predjudice and again, the makeup of the jury vote will dictate reasonableness of retrial.
If he is convicted of anything, I would be pretty confident that this will be overturned on appeal at the very least.
Poor Kyle. Poor America.
One lawyer on Rekeita’s panel said if there was a problem juror for Kyle, it probably was a white women, upper middle class, with higher education. The rest of the panel appeared to be working class or middle class folks. This “Karen” could be a hold out for acquittal.
Know-it-all Karens don’t realize how annoying they can be with their “I’m the smartest person in the room. Let me explain things to you” attitude. It’s pure speculation, but she could be holding it up.
When a jury goes into deliberation, their contact with the outside world is the jury bailiff, who sits outside the jury room, relays written requests to the judge, etc. The jury bailiff is like a chaperone. While the bailiff may hear some arguing through the walls, the bailiff cannot report that or intervene unless it sounds like someone might get hurt. If a juror says something outside the jury room that might reflect on his impartiality (“I was reading about drones on the internet last night,” for example), the bailiff would inform the judge. If a juror said that in the jury room another juror could (and should) report this to the bailiff, who would tell the judge.
The bailiff and the jurors are sworn to secrecy, so if any reports are coming out on hold-outs, it’s speculation or someone is leaking.
some think the ‘karen’ on the jury was the foreperson
don’t forget what happened in roger stone case…planted a biased women who became foreperson
If she annoys them enough, the jury can always say they want to vote on a new foreperson.
This only proves State only hire useful idiots like Lunchbox.
Sad
We have an older family member with Alzheimer’s
His way of thinking and communication is just like this judge.
Based on that as it is a fact!
A judge in Alzheimers condition is not a good thing!
He knows everything he says is going out live on TV, and is also being taken down by a court reporter and might appear as part of an appeal of judicial errors by Kyle. That might be why he is so slow, but some of his “thinking out loud” stuff is a little rambling.
This trial has become a joke Judge will probably dismiss mistrial with prejudice.
Court is in recess until 9 am tomorrow.
Short work day. Hopeless conflict tires a jury.
They’re gonna find the kid guilty of something.
Gateway Pundit is reporting that pallets of bricks have already been deposited along streets and alleys in Kenosha.
Then why is no one removing them?
EXCLUSIVE: Prosecution’s star witness in Kyle Rittenhouse case is a career criminal with a history of domestic abuse, prowling, trespass and burglary – but had charges DROPPED just six days before trial began and jury never learned of his past
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10203911/Sole-survivor-Kyle-Rittenhouse-career-criminal-charges-dropped-just-trial.html
It’s not a fair trial if media, BLM and Antifa are allowed to intimidate the jury and judge.
… allowed to plot and orchestrate premeditated organized action to intimidate the jury and judge …
Pallets of bricks are all over Kenosha…
Purchased by whom? From where? Delivered by whom?
Somebody did something with somebody and somebody paid for it.
Betcha AOC and squad knows who.
WHY is this judge having an issue with a mistrial with prejudice when the prosecutors witnesses confirmed self-defense and the prosecutors laptop was found with something that might’ve tampered evidence?
Please no run-of-the-mill black pills like “this is the new America.”
Kyle should have been acquitted after 15 minutes. The fact that he isn’t already acquitted is proof the the judicial system is deeply corrupt.
Yup! And what are we going to do about it? A friend wants to know.